Why The Mega Man DOS Games SUCK

[@GottaBeFrank]

The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/gottabefrank12221 4:08 This comment is 100% wrong. Duke Nukem used the assets from Mega Man DOS. Way to go Apogee. Sorry about the weird cropped gameplay. I think I know what caused that issue, but for reasons mentioned in the video, I didn't want to replay the games. Sorry about that.

[@kieranstark7213]

Mega Man may be a great franchise of many sub-series, but it doesn’t come with the inclusions of the DOS games nor Fully Charged.

[@Garrulous64]

This game looks like those fake video games you see in the background of a sitcom

[@GottaBeFrank]

It's played by the least liked character.

[@Bombsbombsbombs]

Yeah.

[@breno855]

Lmao spot on

[@AboveEmAllProduction]

Which one

[@panelvixen]

There have been many attempts to remake these games. Some have shown great promise only to disappear after a few years. Right now if you want a good version of MM DOS is to recreate the levels in Mega Man Maker.

[@agentblackbird9435]

Was going to mention this. I distinctly remember one with a really clean artstyle and showing off Dyna Man’s stage

[@robertlupa8273]

@@agentblackbird9435Sadly that one was never intended to be a real game.

[@SQGReviewShow]

You madman. You have nerves of steel to get through BOTH of these games. I couldn't bring myself to finish any of them. Someday, perhaps.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Not sure if I recommend it.

[@tigerfir3]

Yesterday I was searching on youtube for what the best games to start playing the megaman series were. Today the algorithm recommends me this, now I know where to start.

[@JezElectro13]

to be honest, Bit Man's face is just yellow Hard Man's

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. I saw the same thing.

[@creepersonryestudios]

I was confused as to why he was compared to Spark Man, up until I saw his battle sprite.

[@FGCLovesYou]

I was so surprised when I saw that Gaming Historian video a while back that Stephen Rozner singlehandedly developed both DOS MM1 and MM3, but then (if I'm remembering correctly) was also involved in DOS Mega Man X, an infinitely more polished game. Other than the omission of the ride armors and (I believe) the hadoken, I'm pretty sure there wasn't too much different between the DOS and SNES releases. Nothing else that stands out, anyway. Didn't realize there was a Mega Man X3 for DOS, though. Must've had my SNES by that point, because I would've been verrrrrry interested in that had I known...

[@Raidraptor_-_Ultimate_Falcon]

X3 doesn’t have a DOS port, though.

[@sonichacker141]

on deviantart theres someone making art for mega man dos reborn, its basically the dos robot masters but they got a BIG and better art change.

[@mattb6522]

Great analysis! I didn't have an NES growing up as a kid, but was still able to play Mega Man 2 on the NES at my cousins' house and Mega Man 3 at a friend's house. I fell in love with those NES games and wished I could play them! One Christmas, my parents randomly surprised me with _Mega Man 3 (DOS)_ and I was initially excited when I saw the same box art as the NES version. I mistakenly thought the DOS version was a direct port of the NES classic. Boy, was I miserable when I finally booted it up. I was starved for games as a kid and tried to enjoy it, but even I knew I was fooling myself into liking it. It is probably in my Top 25 worst games I have played in my life...and I have played many games! 😅

[@superalt513]

At least Torch Man, Shark Man, Wave Man, Oil Man, and Blade Man gotten a new chance in life in actual officially made Capcom Games

[@TornaitSuperBird]

Bit Man should come back, but with his concept revamped. A stage that's a meta throwback to old-school graphics, compared to the rest of the game (which probably could look like MM11.)

[@redaknight]

I couldn’t get past the first stages (not including the intro stages) of either of these…good job…

[@GottaBeFrank]

You're not missing much.

[@Solesteam]

8:45 Maybe the platforms are really thin, unreasonably and unjustifiably thin platforms and he just slips off.

[@geistgrace6452]

You know, If we ever get a Bitman, we'll have gotten the entire cast of robot masters in MegaMan DOS 3.

[@austinreed7343]

Bit from X3 could count.

[@gwgux]

Wow it's been a while since I've seen these games brought up. I saw the Gaming Historian video on them a long time ago and never thought anybody would pick them up and play through them to do a full review on them...and here we are. Your dedication to do so and get a review out about them is real impressive. Kudos to you!

[@darkerfalcon3747]

The portrait in Mega Man 3 DOS was stolen by: Torch Man (Magnet Man) Bit Man (Hard Man) Shark Man (Crash Man or Snake Man) Wave Man (Air Man) Oil Man (Flash Man) Blade Man (Metal Man)

[@DevinPlayzYT2007]

7:36 That's not Crash Man... ...it's Flash Man.

[@wariomultiretrogaming628]

Possibly the worst Mega Man games ever made

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yes. They were agonizing to play through.

[@iphonex3156]

Jeez. Don't have to be so mean. The games were only made by one person and their brother. If anything, it's impressive being made by 2 people

[@JezElectro13]

you haven't mention it, so i will: Swimming was reused in MM8. why do i think Capcom is halfed whether or not leave Dos Game alone? MM11 - Torch Man, newest Original classic Mega Man.

[@vogonp4287]

They are actually pretty impressive considering that DOS based computers were very limited in terms of gaming capabilities at the time. They weren't even capable of proper smooth scrolling, or good sound. Home consoles were more purpose built, and had major advantages over the PC until things caught up. But yeah, older Dos games can be quite awkward.

[@melo-7904]

i always had a weird fascination with the mega man dos games do i have any intention to play them? no will i remake the stages in mega man maker if i wanted to? yes (although heavily modified to fit with classic mega man tropes instead of just 1 to 1 copy of dos to mmm)

[@jackmcslay]

On the subtitle of Megaman III, I'm going to take the word 'revolting' as an adjective rather than a verb how much it massacres the franchise

[@GottaBeFrank]

I guess that would work, if it actually did any real damage to the franchise. All it did was tell the audience that you're only going to get a fun experience with the Nintendo releases.

[@FloreyXE]

Bit man is literally a sprite edit of hardman

[@tigheklory]

To add some perspective, back in the day I played this on my AT&T PC 6300 computer in CGA graphics. It was a good game considering what it was running on. This was an 8086 with 640K of RAM and it ran well. The background issues don't really happen on a CRT. Back then I knew it wasn't great compared to the Mega Man games I was playing on my NES, but it was cheap and it was something I could do on my computer back then.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, that's the case with all of the older Mega Man games. CRT's just make them look great. If I really wanted to play these games again, I would look for a composite filter for dosbox. Maybe see an approximation of what I was meant to see.

[@tigheklory]

@@GottaBeFrank I don't know if a composite filter would really smooth out the animation so much, it's more about the refresh rate and the persistence of the phosphorus. I totally see that issue that you are having in your capture, I don't remember that at all back in the day.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, but some emulators can do an okay job with replicating composite or RF video quality, so some intended visual effects might appear with that enabled. With the videos, I stick to pixel perfect... as best as I can get it.

[@QuantomX64]

Are these DOS games considered cannon to the rest of the classic Megaman timeline? and if so, where do they appear on the timeline?

[@LandofHeros2234]

No, they are not

[@melo-7904]

no it is effectively a glorified fan game (but that same mind set would state sonic mania isnt canon to sonic which will cause a paradox with forces) but no mega man dos doesnt even appear in rock man complete works

[@QuantomX64]

@@melo-7904 alright good to know

[@yeeoof1995]

i think they both happen consecutively between the nes 2 and 3 mega man doesn't gain his slide and rush until nes 3

[@shyguy85]

any time after 1 and before X... they dont add anything to the canon so it doesnt really matter where they would be placed

[@thesmilingman7576]

6:44 looks more like Hard Man

[@minignoux4566]

the ironic thing? the same developpers did the Megaman X dos port, wich apart from the music, is spot on to the snes version

[@SleepySeal121]

Gotta Be Frank is literally one of the best channel names I’ve seen.

[@captainkawaii666]

One thing I'll give these games is that some of the Robot Masters are pretty cool (or at least have the potential to be)- honestly, I'd like to see some of them given another chance

[@aidnumber10]

7:36 I mean, you’re not wrong. It doesn’t look like Crash Man.

[@GottaBeFrank]

I think had it mixed up with Flash Man in the script.

[@MarioMario456]

Bit Man actually uses Hard Man's graphics.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. I didn't see the comparison. Even the in-game sprites weren't convincing enough.

[@ramgladore]

I would totally buy these, even if only a digital release on Steam

[@GottaBeFrank]

I doubt we'll ever see these games released on modern platforms.

[@TKUltra971]

The one we booted up in the lab didn't even have music. Just blue-pixel Jump n' Shoot man. Boring.

[@megacadgeo9758]

The enemies and gimmicks exclusive to these games would be GREAT in a mega man level creator, like Mega Man Maker.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Maybe not all the enemies, but I know a few that could be picked and put to great use.

[@megacadgeo9758]

@@GottaBeFrank like the rats, imagine that in, lets say, the sewer part of wily 1 in mega man 3. It would be great!

[@emeralddragonz2.019]

If I had the chance to do a full remaster of some Mega Man games, the DOS games would be the ones I’d do first

[@GottaBeFrank]

I'd probably put all of it into one game, so that the player has enough robot masters to go through.

[@emeralddragonz2.019]

@@GottaBeFrank That’s what I was thinking too. Heck some of them can also be redesigned to fit their themes better.

[@longWriter]

My introduction to the Mega Man series was actually on my cousins' computer, Mega Man II for PC. In some ways, I liked it a little better than the NES titles, because the DOS version had a big variety of enemies that took quite a few hits sometimes; using robot master weapons against them was practically encouraged, because once you found that (for example) the yellow-suited humanoid enemies went down in one hit with Oil Man's weapon, the game got easier.

[@doozy5184]

While I like these games as a guilty pleasure, I do agree with most of your criticism.

[@yousefslimani99]

I'm glad I didn't played them as a kid cause they will ruined my childhood and never touch megaman ever again! And I'm glad that didn't happened!!

[@EdKolis]

I liked watching Dr Wily explode. Yes, explode. The real Wil(e)y got away?!

[@sun_man35]

I thought the DOS Games were jokes... 💀

[@Deadite8593]

I had the first DOS game as a kid. Fun fact, if you had a gravis gamepad you could play it with a controller........but it was glitched in this game and Mega Man would run to the left the entire time the controller was plugged in LOL. Thankfully I only got to play this game for a few days before my grandpa upgraded to a 486 and the game was unplayable after that. Tons of DOS games are tied to CPU speed and would run at 10 million frames a second if they weren't played on the exact hardware the developers used. Fun stuff haha

[@CheddarVG]

Something about Mega Man's face on the level select in the first DOS game doesn't sit right with me.

[@GottaBeFrank]

I noticed it when I was editing and it's unsettling.

[@Kaiserkrister]

Great video! Happy too see more people cover mm3 dos 👍 Keep up the great work!!

[@GottaBeFrank]

Thank you so much!

[@retro3188]

Maybe if the programmer had more time and resources, these games could’ve been more fleshed out.

[@therollingcreeper1]

Bit man is just hard man but yellow

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

is the mega man 9 and 10 music that you use in your videos copyrighted?

[@GottaBeFrank]

I've been safe from copyright claims, so far.

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

@@GottaBeFrank alr nice

[@rockmangurlx4973]

I kinda want the RMs from these games eventually referenced, if not just for a joke.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Apparently, there is a remake done in Game Maker. I'll have to look more into this and, maybe, there will be a video on it. OH GOD, IT MEANS I HAVE TO PLAY THE ORIGINALS AGAIN.

[@Sliider36]

7:35 thats flashman, not crash. awesome video tho, thanx.

[@GottaBeFrank]

oops

[@chimericalical]

Fun fact: every robot master from Megaman 3 Dos has appeared in a game made after it at some point with the exception of bitman. Oilman is in Megaman powered up Shark man is in Megaman Battle Network 1 Torchman is in Megaman 11 Wave man is in Megaman 5 And Blade man is in Megaman 9 I feel like it’s only a matter of time before bitman shows up somewhere

[@GGYTTHEYT]

Wow frank, you've been one of my go to channels since knuckles channel 3 and knuckles and you've only improved since then Keep it up, everyone is supporting you ☺️

[@GottaBeFrank]

Wow! Thank you so much! It really means a lot.

[@GGYTTHEYT]

@@GottaBeFrank any time, and I think it's cool that you're branching out from just sonic mania mods

[@GGYTTHEYT]

However I enjoyed those mania videos too👍 edit: I meant mania not mid, phones am I right?

[@drwily-wl7vl]

as a classic sonic fan, 9:57 *TELL ME ABOUT IT*

[@GottaBeFrank]

There is a lot more thought into the levels in most classic Sonic games. It almost never gets to Mega Man 3 DOS levels of bad.

[@drwily-wl7vl]

@@GottaBeFrank ik ik, just i always get lost in them

[@theframebetween6183]

just checked real quick, i think your comment about duke nukem graphics being ripped is actually flipped, duke stole megaman's graphics.

[@GottaBeFrank]

oh, you're right. oops.

[@polocatfan]

They're basically fangames that Capcom bought so you can't really get too mad at them.

[@GottaBeFrank]

They're official products. It has a fan game origin, but it was sold for profit by Capcom USA.

[@wirlogx]

Megaman DOS was a thing but then we have the fan game called Megapony... that was an acid trip....

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

I managed to bullshit my way through the first one and it was pure torture. The idea of having to do it again but with 4 more robot masters makes me physically sick

[@sevenheavenhavengaming]

Maybe if Capcom reboot the Mega Man Dos games using the Mega Man 11 graphical format, art style and gameplay it might be able to become official games. lol

[@GottaBeFrank]

I highly doubt that. Mostly because the level design would need to be completely redone.

[@sevenheavenhavengaming]

@@GottaBeFrank That's the point.

[@PoisonedElite]

You really gotta try the Wonderswan game

[@PoisonedElite]

It doesnt suck but it has a lot of goofy looking designs

[@GottaBeFrank]

I plan on playing the Wonderswan game at some point.

[@colinmcnally4743]

I had both of these on my PC as a kid. I couldn’t understand why they were so brutal. It’s supposed to be Mega Man… I was used to playing Mega Man 1 on NES and I couldn’t couldnt even clear a level in any of the DOS games.

[@josephwj7199]

You got it backwards. Duke Nukem ripped the tile assets from this game.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. That one is my bad. I made an attempt to address it in the pinned comment.

[@ZeldaMasterLogan]

I've seen videos in the past where people remade entire games in Mega Man Maker not sure if anyone remade the DOS games but the only saving grace for them would to probably be remade using that game with added features just to actually make them "fun"

[@peterludwig4599]

To be fair Megaman 1 for DOS was a solid platformer for its time. Megaman 3 for DOS on the other hand is a whole different nightmare. The Metroid like level design and the unfair enemy placement and early dos game problems kill that one.

[@GottaBeFrank]

1 was not fun to play since I had a lot to adjust to. I didn't enjoy it as much, but I eventually got comfortable enough as I went through it. 3 was just dreadful from beginning to end.

[@edgardeitz5746]

Actually, the gfx from Duke Nukem were FIRST in this game, THEN Apogee ripped them for Duke.

[@magicwordxyzzy]

It looks like it was made in the Commander Keen engine or something (except without the half-screen border), with the movement and jumping the way it is.

[@trashedupmeme7429]

Does anyone here remember when Frank was still known as the knuckles channel?

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yes

[@lemonsmug]

now do it hitless

[@PeterSpaghetti69]

Literally every game on the DOS sucks (Except some)

[@josephwj7199]

Ever heard of Doom? Duke Nukem 3D?

[@PeterSpaghetti69]

@@josephwj7199 yup

[@muscovyducks]

Megaman's odyssey through Commander Keen's universe

[@Shiro_Zark]

Mega Man but bad anyone?

[@sonichacker141]

yes.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Would you cover Mega Man The Wily Wars? That's the only version of the classic games I have.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Forgot the e!

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. That video is currently in the works. I have some stuff I want to release first, but I will get around to finishing that video soon.

[@intel386DX]

6:42 Actually no. Bit man looks like Hard Man. Besides all the bosses are based on NES ones .

[@bluberrydee6205]

imo megaman dos one isn't really all that bad it just doesn't have music its pretty fun to me besides a few parts which are just annoying (and the bosses not having invincibility frames is a bit weird) megaman dos 3 is awful though every stage is a giant maze and the robot masters are just ripoffs of existing ones and the swimming is 💀 you can tell it was reskinned to be a megaman game last minute

[@WolfLonk]

Ok but i know that Mega Man 1 to 5 are on the Gameboy are that ports or diffrent games?

[@GottaBeFrank]

They are somewhat different until 3. Then they are completely different.

[@Emberson-9000]

I'll be honest. Mega Man 1 on DOS isnt the worst. I kinda like it. If you can wrap your head around the controls, it isnt too tough to beat. That said, its no Duke Nukem 2.

[@intel386DX]

0:11 Wait what ? Mega Man X and X 3 for DOS without X 2? LOL just like lit Mega Man 1 and 3 for DOS missing 2 :D

[@wyattE415]

Who actually played this and for what benefit? Just was it cheaper than the NES versions so more accessible to more people? Never had all of them, but ones I did not have I could rent from a local video store.

[@evileyeball]

X for did isn't half bad. X for dos was the first megaman game I owned.

[@wingwall7892]

I’ll be honest, both of these games look like they were made on scratch. And there are actually decent mega man fan games there

[@agentblackbird9435]

7:36 That’s Flash Man’s sprite

[@ZukoPrince]

Oh, great. Video about why water is blue.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, if you want to put it that way.

[@BLACKMASKSOUL491]

Game off balance just suck end of story thank God this game doesn't exist anymore 🗑️🚮

[@GottaBeFrank]

Just because it's not officially accessible anymore, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[@BLACKMASKSOUL491]

@@GottaBeFrank 👎👎👎👎👎

[@Eevee860]

they're no worse than 1-10

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, they are. Much worse.

[@kamranshah-f1x]

mega man looked fat in the dos games.

[@sonofaglitch7549]

Bit man looks more like hard man

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, he really does.

[@amiosi]

They're good

[@GottaBeFrank]

No, they're not.

[@amiosi]

@@GottaBeFrank ratio

[@GottaBeFrank]

Not here, kid.

[@Set666Abominae]

Megaman X6 sucks so much worse than X7. X7 was at least an attempt at something new that just didn’t stick the landing. It’s still playable, and can be fun if you go in with zilch expectations. X6 is a fucking mess that’s broken, appallingly designed, extremely frustrating that, worst of all, completely messes up a tried and true formula.

[@-rlmn]

X7 wasn't even an attempt, the new team LITERALLY didn't knew how to do the older formula, Capcom knew of this before you ask

[@MystLgnd]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is a perfect example of a bad video : - clickbait title, by putting in caps words, and in top of that the one that will provoke ; - putting down something without knowing the background of the game, watch Gaming Historian would have helped a ton ; - not appreciate a video game for what it is, depending on the hardware, era, background, and what it offers. Easy to make something like crap when it doesn't appeal to someone isn't it ? The way of being wise and becoming a real player is ahead now. "You have the power in you... but you're not a jedi yet."

[@GottaBeFrank]

Did you even watch the video or was the title enough to warrant this comment? I mentioned the Gaming Historian's video, recommended viewers to watch that video, and gave credit where it was due when I found something worth giving credit for. I don't use the word cringe unironically, but that's all I can say to describe your jedi quote. Maybe a Star Wars fan will not think much of it, but oh well.

[@MystLgnd]

@@GottaBeFrank Well then, next time you'll think twice about your video title, to not fall directly into the bad category. There is so much crap today like I described, that I naturally didn't watch your video at all, I don't have more time and energy to waste for such risk ; it's natural, and things happen this way for anything and anyone. And seeing how you use words, it wants to be pro, when it's actually intoxicated by teenagers "humor" of these days, viciously containing lack of experience and selfishness, and desesperately try to be noticed in the world of Internet. You'll see better by yourself.

[@sergeantgerbil2238]

@@MystLgnd you just sound really upset that someone rightfully criticized a rendition of a game you didn't like 🤣

[@MystLgnd]

@@sergeantgerbil2238 ... completely wrong.

[@SketchieProductions231]

@@MystLgnd … people watch the video first before commenting, and if you think that watching a youtube video is “a waste of energy”, you’re the same type of person to say lifting a truck takes less energy than watching a 10 minute youtube video

[@redkaijux568]

First.

[@Shiro_Zark]

Real people don't say First.

[@redkaijux568]

@@Shiro_Zark Hello there. I live! 👁️👄👁️

[@The_Lost_happy]

The reason because mega man dos sucks is in your eyes

[@KesorodaBlk]

Duke Nukem II, All build engine games, and IIRC, Oregon Trail we’re some of the only DOS games that had music.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Ahh okay. As someone who never experience games on the original hardware, I was not aware of it.

[@muffinboymcgee7411]

Most commercial DOS games from 1990 onwards actually do have sound card support and music. Remember that the DOS Mega Man games were literally made by one guy and are not typical of full price releases from the era.