Kobe Bryant or LeBron James: First Take debates closest to being Michael Jordan | First Take | ESPN

[@Somanyreasons13]

Does max forget Kobe was on the all defensive team more than lebron

[@3TDynamics2024]

Dracozer bro, that guy is a Kobe hater.

[@mahmoodsiddiqui8064]

That doesn't mean he was a better defender it means he had more defensive longevity.

[@ceciladams4882]

LeBron had a better peak in defense but kobe was a more consistent defender.

[@udithsethu552]

Frobe was an excellent defender but like Phil Jackson himself said late in his career some of Kobe's defensive team selections was coming from reputation alone. It's like Kawhi now he doesn't try his hardest on defense nowadays in the regular season but still gets defensive team selections because of his repuatation.

[@ceciladams4882]

@@udithsethu552 Exactly. But still they can be excellent defenders when they want to. It's just they have a larger offensive load to carry.

[@hillmutberger7883]

Stop the nonsense. MJ and Kobe are more of winners than Lebron.

[@Shizz2x]

Because Kobe had a winner on his team n shaq

[@d.a300]

And bill Russell is a bigger winner than all them combined

[@brianrichard5539]

kobe had shaq on his team you loser

[@RonRyder]

@@brianrichard5539 Since you wanna bring that up, Lebron had to invent superteams to get his first couple of rings. So lets not go there.

[@brianrichard5539]

@@RonRyder yeah stop he didn't have a team with him in cleveland so he was forced to do that. he could've got a decent supporting cast and still won.

[@isdee5999]

Kobe is the reason why great players like Carmelo and other players like Allen Iverson DONT GOT RINGS ...WHILE LeBron handing them out ..KOBE = CLUTCH =THE GOAT

[@rayhaninho_3183]

LeBron is better in big games than kobe stats dont lie

[@xSoulRedemptioNx]

@@rayhaninho_3183 neither does that 3-6 finals record lmao

[@mgtowlifeseasyifyoutry1274]

Beautiful comment kobe shut shit down

[@c0brazzszn458]

We just not gonna act like Kobe got swept by the pistons while he had shaq??

[@c0brazzszn458]

Melo in his prime was in the east getting stopped by bron

[@paperboy215]

Kobe was an all star before Phil got there. Kobe is the youngest all star ever.

[@LVTHEYENM]

He didn´t even deserve that all star award he averaged 15.4 ppg shooting .428 %That season lol Kid Compared to Lebron james first all star appearance season 27.2 ppg 7.2 ast 7.4 rpg lol Lebron just destroys yall kobe fans

[@Bigg_Westcoast]

DaDon like LeBron wasn't the real rookie of the year but they gave it to him anyways?

[@GODEXAULTS]

Hang and was year was that? How old was LeBron?

[@shomoy7396]

Different the cavs had no one so lebron was allowed a lot of minutes from the get go.

[@arnieauro1798]

Different 3-6 finals leflop

[@hail-maryj5333]

So we discredit kobe for playin with shaq, n discredit lebron for playin with wade n bosh, but we give mj all the credit for winning with pippen n rodman? Makes total sense...

[@NirodimosNeedAKing]

Zac Johnson and kerr the greatest 3pt shooter of his time.

[@MrThatOneGuy504]

Zac Johnson people are dumb

[@herbdean6508]

go look at his squad for the first 3 peat dude.. the lineup ain't exactly impressive

[@MasterSpade]

Pippen grew into what he became because he played with Jordan. It would be different if the Bulls would have gotten Pippen in his prime, at his peak, from another team like the lakers got Shaq for kobe and lebron got Wade and Bosh. The Co-Stars that lebron and kobe got were already Superstar players. Very different scenarios. While Rodman was a player that NO ONE wanted on their team before he went to the Bulls. His value was so low that the Spurs traded Rodman to the Bulls for .................Will Perdue!! lol!!! Once Rodman joined Jordan and the Bulls, he did his job and became the star player because of Jordan. Again, it would be different if Rodman was a Superstar player the year before he joined the Bulls. But that was not the case. If you can't see the difference, then you need to take the Homer glasses off.

[@TyFhoonBoom]

@@cheezgaming6397 how?

[@IhaveAHugePhone]

So we discredit kobe because he had shaq to help with 3 championships, but then no discredit for LeBron having team USA for all of his?

[@LVTHEYENM]

Reasons why Lebron is better than Kobe -Better FG% and 3pt% -Higher Player Efficiency Rating (PER) -More ppg (even though he is a pass first player) -More assists/ game -More rebounds/ game -Lebron has already surpassed Kobe in assists, rebounds, and blocks playing 7 less seasons -Better clutch performer ( they are about the same in the regular season, but Lebrons clutch numbers in the playoffs dwarf Kobe's and even come very close to MJ's numbers) -Better defender, has a better career average in steals and blocks -Lebron is more verstile, he can play and guard all 5 positions. Kobe can only play the 2 and 3 -Lebron has 56 triple doubles, Kobe has 21 -Lebron is 14-6 against Kobe -Lebron has 4 MVPs, Kobe has 1

[@Justwatching-yc1sg]

That’s a fucking whack statement bruh lebron came back from 3-1 down with kyrie against arguably the best team ever and probably the hardest ring ever won,you a clown for that statement

[@IhaveAHugePhone]

Hardest ring ever won? He got a free pass to the finals with the raptors being the #2 seed in the east that season. and yeah the warriors were stacked, but cavs only had 1 less allstar than warriors did, thats not an entirely lopsided matchup at all

[@neilothee4966]

We also discredit LeBron for bein drafted to a trash Cavs team

[@dorothymholmes9195]

Shaq in his prime is better then any player LeBron every played with easy..thats why kobe got 5 rings and only 2 final mvps because he wasn't the best player on his team twice

[@adilmajid3102]

Shaq wouldn’t have won without Kobe either so let’s not just forget that.

[@hendrix-giovannijohnson9701]

Adil Majid lol, he won after he left Kobe, so there's that

[@str8duval]

I think he wouldve.He got the magic to the finals in just 4 years.

[@adilmajid3102]

Possibly but it was 1 a and 1b it was a combo not Shaq and some rookie Kobe was a killer to just go watch I remember when Shaq was like 1-10 vs Portland and Kobe was dragging it back in it was a combo achievement and good role players not just Shaq and Shaq won with wade Kobe won with gasol its a difference

[@shomoy7396]

vanni Johnson you idiot he had dwade. Also they didn’t win back to back.

[@shomoy7396]

str8duval with penny

[@williamharley9059]

I watched both their entire careers. There is no way to properly quantify the fear Kobe put in teams. Just watch some of Kobe's highlights but look for one thing in particular. Look at when he has the ball and is either driving or working towards his position just how many players on the other team aren't even paying attention to their man. The guy put the fear of god in opposing teams when the game was on the line. LeBron is the more consistent and well-rounded basketball player I've ever seen. The guy is legit a threat to get a Triple double every night. He's a locomotive in with the ball in his hands. He's developed a great jumpshot. He's a truly amazing, unique ball player. As for who is better, I can't really say. They are even to me. Very different but neither's method is better than the other. It's amazing that Kobe is that high on the all time scoring list after sitting on the bench for two and a half years plus missing another 2 years to injury. No other player up there missed about 4 seasons of playing time but still gets to 3rd all time scoring. LeBron is likely to pass him but he's not missed a season at all for injury or any other reason. Just two of the greatest of all time and I'm honored to be able to see them both.

[@sFalcon_86]

Kobe is my personal favourite player of all time, Lebron overall as a basketball player is better than Kobe no doubt. But i love what larry bird said, if i want to win im picking kobe for my team but if i want to have some fun, then Lebron is the way to go

[@ceciladams4882]

This might be the greatest take on this.

[@Kingkam_77]

@@sFalcon_86 if you wanna win take bron he went to 8 straight finals across 2 teams, Kobe won more because bron went against one of the best teams ever, but Kobe was the best player on his team during only 2 of his rings.

[@jacobzakaria7903]

@@Kingkam_77 8 straight finals coming out of the east, put him in the west and that ain't happening

[@jamyateam3187]

Kobe my favorite all time but Bron is better ball player overall

[@CandidoPalmer]

Lebron played with bosh and wade wtf

[@KingGazaRadio823]

Jordan > Kobe > James ✔

[@wipe919]

Gaza Genahsyde ! Care to explain how kobe is better than LeBron

[@whoisdannykane]

Max, give kobe Dwyane wade and Chris Bosh in his PRIME years and this isn’t a discussion. He had shaq when he wasn’t in his prime and still played to his level. I don’t consider 08 and after his absolute prime. 04-07 were his best years of ball gone to waste

[@KingGazaRadio823]

@@wipe919 when you decide to take a seat & actually understand BASKETBALL, then you'll understand.

[@jakobdesmit]

Daniel Khan Give Lebron shaq and Artest and the support cast > 2003-10 cavs

[@jakobdesmit]

Daniel Khan lebrons, not trading shaq, and winning more rings

[@CR-hq1uz]

Kobe went out of his way to divorce himself from superstar teammates. LeBron went out of his way to join forces with superstar teammates. Nuff said.

[@jetsettech8804]

B K no he didn't? No one wanted to play with kobe, so they didn't

[@hectorcervantes4025]

Lerone McKenzie No star has ever gone to LeBron, LeBron has gone to them. "Everyone wants to play with LeBron". That's a myth.

[@PercyMiller456]

hector cervantes exactly😂😂 ask kyrie..

[@PercyMiller456]

Ps: if that crazy shit didnt happen to hayward,then theyd fuck the cavs up FOR SURE in the playoffs😂😂

[@jetsettech8804]

hector cervantes kobe literally turned people away. LeBron was welcomed with open arms because they knew he was their best chance to win. And you say ever like he has been on 5 teams. The man has only been on two teams. The heat didn't have the cap room for anyone else and paul george and carmelo wanted to go to the cavs but no cap room and the trades didn't end in their favor. Kyrie just wanted to hear his name on the news instead of LeBron.

[@jamesperry6751]

Jordan has 6 Kobe has 5 Bron has 3 HOW TF IS 3 MORE VALUABLE THEN 5?

[@falcons2k81]

James Perry by this logic Robert Horry is Better than all of them.

[@jamesperry6751]

Glodi Omari Only if u don't have a brain, ND don't Kno wat the main topic is... Superstar vs, Conversation.

[@jamesperry6751]

Glodi Omari ND since u wanna go there, by all Bronsexual logic... It PLENTY player ahead of Bron #STATISTICALLY

[@falcons2k81]

James Perry I ain't a bronsexual I'm a fan of all 3 of them but if I had to choose who the most complete player was yes I'd go with Lebron , if I had to chose who to start a franchise with yes Lebron , he has that Magic Johnson I'mpact , now if I had to choose who to go with in the clutch time then I'd go with MJ first than Kobe and Lebron.

[@jamesperry6751]

Glodi Omari ND u would lose at A HIGH PERCENTAGE! SO UR NON-BRONSEXUAL BRONSEXUAL OPINION IS STUPID

[@dominicktoran4548]

LeBron 3 -8 in finals playing with wade ,Kyrie,love ,Chris bosh, but u pick him over a guy that was 5-7 in finals .also playing in west!

[@rpaulkb248atwal9]

Dominick Toran 5-2... lebitch should be 1-7 fuck ray ray

[@GODEXAULTS]

Not for his career just those where it was him alone so let that sink in too. Who passing the dam ball to smush Parker. Bron was scared to take the shots Kobe would take that's why and no matter what when it's 4th quarter game close and a few seconds let you or no one else in the world would bet on him to miss that last shot

[@yato9609]

Shariff Barak kobe playing 20th season on his career lmao, he took 2 years to be a starting line up on the laker team.

[@arnieauro1798]

Shariff Barak 5 championship

[@coreycharles3826]

@Lyon Morales he would have more then to lol especially playing fkr la dr.buss didnt play he'd a signed someone

[@JSmith-kh4vo]

Kobe and Jordan were supremely better fundamentally. That move to Miami killed LeBron's stock, Kobe is better in my opinion.

[@TheAfricanNightDemon]

J. Smith LeBron is better tbh. Watch when he retires you'll see. Lbj is much better tbh as a team player

[@JSmith-kh4vo]

Big J1 /Dark Ghost I think LeBron is the best all around player to ever play, but his size and strength made up for his lack of fundamentals early. All he used to do was billdoze himself to the rim Jordan and Kobe had to rely on their fundamental skills to dominate. Put them in a 6'8 250 body with their skills its a wrap. Its not really a knock on Bron he used his size to his advantage but i think fundamentally Kobe and Jordan were just better.

[@yungeastsidejuice4733]

J. Smith at what ?

[@darkenedvortexgames6737]

J. Smith if I was 7ft 10 I would be the greatest player of all time, but I’m not. You can’t use size as an excuse to take away from someone’s talent.

[@fredwill410]

@@TheAfricanNightDemon that doesn't make u better to be goat in any sport tell me who mentions being best teamate comon man really its got nothing to do with it its whos better not as a teamate and its kobe 1v1 kobe has better stats

[@3232-l2k]

LeBron is a nervous flopper

[@yungeastsidejuice4733]

32 Frazier hes cold blooded contact finisher

[@tombradys8thring738]

Hey go look at the 1997 WCF when Kobe shot 4 airs ball in a row in OT.

[@arnieauro1798]

Kevin DurCant ofcourse rookie season

[@brianrichard5539]

kobe is trash

[@fernandocarlos6665]

Kobe Bryant has a better legacy than LeBron

[@brianrichard5539]

you are out of your mind

[@cia6520]

His legacy isn't better by that much

[@Chris87md]

3-6

[@hillluke4376]

@cyrs M dumass 5 beats 3 and 81 beats 61

[@ericksantos4555]

How so?

[@CandidoPalmer]

Kobe is better

[@CandidoPalmer]

yos Bro stop being disrespectful

[@smithwesson5604]

Well...

[@lonnyronny1987]

In what world what planet?

[@Chris87md]

5-2>3-6

[@George--zy2oy]

@@Chris87md 5-2>4-6

[@jefethlopez6151]

5-2 > 3-5. And Kobe did it with over all less talented players, and in a harder conference, in a more competitive era, with injuries. LeBron always be calling reinforcements to stat pad and get his rings. C'mon now bronsexuals, open ur eyes and get educated

[@koheavenangle3585]

Jefeth Lopez....Facts 💯

[@jasonochoa7876]

Jefeth Lopez thank u

[@demonreacts4800]

Jefeth Lopez btw kobe had less competition and u stupid for saying he had more 😂😂.... bron has faced warriors, okc, spurs and crazy thing is those were all fucking super teams... who tf did kobe play without shaq? The Celtics ? Those Celtics weren’t even better than the spurs now imagen the warriors

[@demonreacts4800]

Jefeth Lopez u the most stupid nba fan of all time and u should be awarded for that

[@jefethlopez6151]

BRON IS THE GOAT, NO DISCUSSION NEEDED ha bro who u think Kobe had to get through in order to reach the finals? All the teams u mentioned plus more. The east has been weak that why the finals seemed easier. The real challenge was getting past the west. Besides Kobe has one more championship with shaq then shaq does without Kobe. Plus LeBron has played with prime wade bosh, one of the best 3 point shooters of all time in ray allen and Kyle korver, he has played with superstars and all stars like Kevin love and kyrie irving and has always had a stacked bench. He has handpicked his players and been on super teams since 2010 and has played in the weak east his whole career. And is still 3-5 not including the help the league has given him. Instead of playing against great competition, LeBron rather play with other superstars to pad his stats and make it easy on himself. And I did call u guys bronsexuals, look at ur profile name.......i stand corrected

[@phillg8880]

LeBron ran to two super teams twice. Don't even mention his name with Michael

[@softwarefoodiee]

Michael jordon already had a super team so he never ran for it.

[@anthonywatts7696]

What super teams I confused Miami yea but not a dynasty

[@d.a300]

Dirk is better than mj

[@thegreatone9850]

@@anthonywatts7696 Miami and Cleveland stop acting dumb

[@jordandripp]

THE GREAT ONE u said the cavs are a super team? Leave

[@BigSlim3600]

Stop comparing #8 Kobe to number 24 Kobe, stop comparing Kobe to lebron, stop comparing Kobe to Jordan .. tired of ppl taking credit away from Kobe , but never took credit away from penny for playing wit shaq never took credit away from d. Wade wen he won a ring with shaq smh media is biased af

[@BigSlim3600]

Daniel Mullen hell yea bro don’t forget Ray Allen too lol

[@AsianNIGMA]

KingSlimMusic you dumb as hell, that 2006 finals was ALL D WADE CARRYING INJURED SHAQ, he averaged 34.7pts 7.8rb 3.8ast 2.7stl 1.0Blk there’s a reason he was MVP...

[@ThaKingJay]

D.Wade was finals mvp

[@c86alfonso]

KingSlimMusic penny was a star since the get go, unlike kobe that had to developfrom the bench.

[@darkenedvortexgames6737]

KingSlimMusic yeah but nobody claims them to be as good as kobe 😂

[@jon8192]

Kobe is more skilled. Give LeBron Kobe's body. He's an all-star shooting guard? Give Kobe LeBron's body? The most dominant player of all time.

[@AB-vo4vl]

Jon then kobe should just hit the gym.

[@jon8192]

Face palm. Did this dude really just suggest that going to the gym will make you grow to 6 foot 8 and change your vertical and speed while morphing your body to 240? LeBron didn't need to go to the gym. It's his natural physique. Going to the gym can get you stronger. Kobe did that. But it doesn't transform your DNA lol..

[@jomergubaton3214]

Lebron playing in the east is not bad at all. Good for the stats.

[@jamesharden3490]

@@AB-vo4vl lol you fr? dumbas

[@brucebanner4157]

Makes no sense. Each player modified his game in order to their physical conditions. Kobe was not that body dominant, so he worked his footwork way more. Lebron worked the body building and exploded his abilities to make himself so dominant. Also, kobe may be more skilled, but lebron 's basketball IQ and brain is something kobe never had

[@LilTeezyT]

NBA legends: Kobe is closest to Jordan I can’t put Lebron ahead of him just yet Bronsexuals: Kobes PER and VORP are trash he’ll never be better than lebron. Everybody’s known this since 2003

[@afrogarou]

But you don’t need advanced stats to argue for Lebron. Fg% , rebounding, passing, MVPs, FMVPs, etc. are all in Lebrons favor.

[@mynamablegg8707]

- Lebron got swept in the finals - Lebron has as many finals losses as Kobe has rings lol - Lebron lost back to back finals - Lebron never three peated once, let alone twice in this weak era - Teams celebrated winning a title on lebron's home court on 3 different occasions. ('07, '11, '15) 🐐 - Lebron lost to a Dwight Howard Magic team with no superstars in 6 games - Lebron been the best player since 2008 according to Lebron fans but he couldn't beat the magic to meet Kobe in the finals - Lebron is so great and goat that he had to leave his team and jump to another team with two franchise superstar players not role players, superstars. - Jumped ship joined two superstars and still lost to a team with one superstar and a bunch of role players past their primes lol - Jason Terry averaged more PPG's in the '11 finals than Lebron, goat lol - Lebron would've lost the 2013 finals if it wasn't for Ray Allen's shot - Lebron loses the finals in the following year by a record margin in 5 games lmaooo but he's the goat lol - Lebron got cramps in San Antonio meanwhile Kobe and Jordan will play till they die basically - Lebron then jumps ship again since he's the goat and so great he bails on Miami and goes back to Cleveland, like talk about loyalty smh - Lebron loses in the 2015 finals where he was in position to win when he was up 2-1 with game 4 in Cleveland with Kyrie being hurt he had the chance to cement his goat status by going up 3-1 but couldn't and lost those finals as well. - Last year if Kyrie doesn't hit the dagger three Golden state wins - Lebron scored 11 points in the 4th quarter in the first 3 games of this years finals - Lebron lost in 5 games again lol - In the biggest stage of them all doesn't matter how many times you made it kids all that matters is if you won it and Lebron's finals record is 2007- L (Swept) 2011- L (Lost in 6 games) 2012- W (Won in 5 games) 2013*- W (Ray Allen's finals winning shot) 2014- L (Lost in 5 games) goat 2015- L (Lost in 6 games) 2016* - W (Kyrie's finals winning shot) 2017- L (Lost in 5 games) goat - Lebron lost back to back finals - Lebron almost three peated in the finals with losses Stop the comparisons with Michael when he's got to catch Kobe & Duncan first smh. Kids and millennials stats don't tell the whole story in this watered down era of basketball with no physicality, hand checking, true 4 and 5's. Watch you Lebron fans make an excuse for each blunder in his record that I just pointed out lol and never accept the blame lol

[@330dinero8]

My nama Blegg with all that being said lebron is still better than kobe, sorry

[@namanloomba2894]

@@330dinero8 sorry but LeBron is far from Kobe and mike

[@c0brazzszn458]

Kobe couldn’t even dream of making it to that many finals... instead of looking at it like “he lost x amount of finals” it should be like “he just made 8 finals straight”

[@c0brazzszn458]

Lebron loses in the finals to super teams while Kobe gets taken out in 5 by a Detroit team full of role players lol

[@JermaineDrummonds]

Kobe > LeBron ...as we stand. That may change for me in a couple yrs, let's see.

[@chipan8881]

Jermaine Drummonds has it change 🤣🤣🤣💀

[@brianrichard5539]

it's already changed

[@Basketball82423]

People always forget LeBron and the Cavs had the best record in the league in 2009 and 2010, LeBron was MVP, and favored to come out the East....yet the narrative that's been pushed by the media is he never had help in his first go around with Cleveland. Not sure how you end up with the best record 2 yrs straight and favorite to come out the East with no help. Just more excuses for LeHelp.

[@Bigg_Westcoast]

GurrenGougo thank o.j. bruh I knew I wasn't alone

[@DontReachYoungBlood]

GurrenGougo Thats because lebron carried most of the load for those cavs teams

[@FrederickHiemer]

brooooo name 2 guys on that team boi

[@Gemini050788]

Achilles MJ See the flawed logic? He was so great that he couldn't get an extra 16 wins? After wining 60+ of 82 back to back years. But he had no help? Sit down with the bullshit. If he's better than MJ I thought he should have this Devine ability to will those around him to new heights, just cause he's him?

[@arisart22]

GurrenGougo It's because east is weak. That's why even with mediocre teamates, Lebron and the cavs managed to get great record. I'm not a Lebron fan but let's face the truth, he never had help with his first stint in cleveland.

[@nastynard7523]

Y'all can go to hell on that because Kobe Bryant got five rings without going to a super team or begging for a super team he stay with the same team for 20 years winning seasons or losing seasons how can you put LeBron in the same atmosphere as Jordan did leave Bulls🤔 at the end career for what reason I don't know 😔

[@Frozilla15]

Bernard Jennings He threatened to leave the Lakers if they didn't get him talent.

[@LDinc17]

Technically 2 Shaq gave him the rest as a gift

[@voetbal12]

He demanded to be traded immediately upon being drafted.

[@dubnation6605]

Because people have opinions. He is better then kobe in their opinion.

[@prophecy9521]

That's because the Laker were gonna build one for him.

[@KarloBacolod]

Loyalty over everything else = Mamba

[@dustyroze150]

agreed!

[@namanloomba2894]

Agreed

[@jeormormont7470]

He demanded a trade 😕

[@novembernicolas5230]

@@jeormormont7470 because his teammates really sucks, you dont want to play ball when your teammates doesnt try really hard. He later retracted his statement

[@jeormormont7470]

@@novembernicolas5230 agreed

[@gamingsportspolitics5800]

LeBron James played all his career in the weak ass East as opposed to Kobe playing in the strong Western conference.

[@chrisstarrM]

dude was drafted by east team and so did jordan

[@gamingsportspolitics5800]

chrisstarrM I believe Jordan had far better competition than James ever had in their entire career.

[@meezie81]

When did Jordan ever face a team in the Finals like the Duncan-Parker-Ginobli Spurs or the current Warriors? In the words of the great Negro poet, Katt Williams, "Not Neva!" I don't want to diminish MJ at all, he's in my opinion the best to ever pick up a basketball, but his ring count isn't the reason why. He's better than LeBron because he's better, not being he's more accomplished. The fact that LeBron has played in the EC shouldn't be held against him, just like Magic playing in the shitty WC in the 80s shouldn't be held against him. LeBron has had to beat some really good teams throughout his playoff career. Detroit and Boston weren't cupcakes when he they had their battles.

[@ta4life27]

Mikhael G the spurs were old as shit. The Chicago bulls would of kill that team are you serious come on now

[@ta4life27]

johmon717 stop it you act like the Chicago bulls can t beat the warriors. That teams is not that great.

[@kobeisthebaddest]

If you take the years that Kobe and LeBron didn’t have ANY superstars/all stars and look at just the stats it’s a lot closer then you think.... Kobe LeBron 32 points 28 6 assists 7 6 rebounds 7 1 block 1 2 steals 2 45% FG 48% 34% Three pointers 32% When both were the only good player on the team Kobe was just as good as LeBron...this is al since ppl love to bring up stats when it comes to the LeBron/Kobe argument

[@theman9048]

kobeisthebaddest lebron made his team's better

[@kobeisthebaddest]

OG Crying Face Meme how you figure when my name is literally Kobeisthebaddest 🤔 I brought it up since ppl always wanna bring up stats when they talk LeBron and Kobe

[@kobeisthebaddest]

tony tonyt not customizing anything...I took out the factors that everybody brings up against both players such as Shaq d Wade bosh Kyrie k love and narrowed it down to when they were the only good player on their team and it isn’t such a big margin like ppl would expect it to be

[@kobeisthebaddest]

I’m not the Kobe fan who hates Bron but I hate when ppl act like stats are the end all be all when it comes to sports so I did some research and came up with stats that don’t FAVOR Bron or Kobe in either way just showing that they can help and or hurt an argument instead of just watching greatness and understanding that both and great players in their own ways

[@BigDad1887]

Kobe Bryant and it's not even up for discussion

[@tb109987]

You know Kobe never won a playoff series without an elite bigman?

[@tb109987]

Idk what argument can be made to say Kobe is better than LeBron other than championships

[@BigDad1887]

@InMyCudiZzZone only to bronsexuals

[@RandyBooker]

I'm commenting this BEFORE watching (And I admit, I COULD be wrong) *BUT I'M LIKE 98% SURE THEY WILL FIND SOME WAY TO KNOCK KOBE & DIMINISH HIS GREATNESS! THEY ALWAYS DO!* *(EDIT) AFTER WATCHING:* Not as bad as I thought (Or as bad as they usually do) For me: *KOBE > LEBRON* *CONSISTENCY OF ELITE COMPETITION HAS A PART TO PLAY IN THAT!*

[@Werk0194]

Max always says the same thing: “Kobe had Phil Jackson and Shaq when he came into the league, give Lebron a prime shaq and Phil Jackson and see what happens” this pisses me off, like how are you going to put him down for being put into something he didn’t chose to be in

[@neilothee4966]

Oscar a.k.a. How u gonna put LeBron down for him bein in a shitty situation but people still do

[@alfootball9381]

I mean kobe as a very bad fiche againts lebron why you never brought that shit up ?

[@TheAfricanNightDemon]

RBTheBreakThrough LeBron > Kobe.

[@rahsaanwoods5199]

Agree

[@xDaijiro]

although i respect the talent that lebron is, stats dont mean everything. especially teaming up with 2 other stars everytime in a weak East his whole career. theres a reason almost all NBA players pick kobe over lebron. screw these guys and their crap debates. i rather listen to guys that played the game. and they choose kobe.

[@christophernsa1627]

lebron has 4 mvp awards and kobe 1

[@calvinluciano]

Christopher Nsa mvps are crowd votes it’s not accurate at all you just proved that bronsexuals only look at stats & accomplishments

[@jigeahah5058]

Calvin Luciano lmao stats don't matter, mvp don't matter then what does? Intangibles?

[@darkenedvortexgames6737]

Calvin Luciano mvp is a mixture of crowd vote, as well as player, coach and celebrities (typically sports analysts) votes.

[@jomergubaton3214]

Lebron playing in the east is not bad at all. Good for the stats really. Btw i came from the future , Lebron sucks in the LA.

[@soundsfromthestreet]

kobe not a good passer? just because he didn't pass as much doesn't mean he didn't know how to pass. also, kobe's the only player with 30,000+ points and 6,000+ assists

[@apatheticnegro]

soundsfromthestreet exactly people not gonna point out he lakers all time assist leader

[@chosen7934]

soundsfromthestreet EXACTLY

[@djhawk15k]

soundsfromthestreet but is Kobe throwing bounce passes from mid court? And the only other person to challenge kobes assists on the lakers if Magic, and he had 8 Less years than kobe

[@AnonymousKD17]

Ok, per your logic u can't even compare them bcs lebron is the only player with 40k 10k

[@averagegoslingenthusiast2033]

Am I the only one who has noticed that when Lebron wins, SAS makes sure every player who plays with lebron gets a lot of credit but the second Lebron loses, SAS puts all the blame on Lebron.

[@xKennyBoy]

I've noticed that too bro

[@averagegoslingenthusiast2033]

HS.Tadi Siwira no he hasnt, fake narrative pushed by haters. When the cavs lost to the bulls and people were hating on kyrie, he said don't blame Kyrie, put it on me.

[@Werk0194]

So.. every Lebron fan does the same thing but the other way around

[@strix50]

Woah woah waoh Max. Just because Kobe didn't feel like passing as much as Bron and Magic doesn't mean hes not good at it. Did u see how many ast Kobe have every time he decides to facilitate. Remember Magic was his favourite player growing up

[@GalacticAstroparticles]

Was this really ever a debate? *Kobe is (and possibly always will be) the closest type of player to MJ.* Lebron is BY FAR a different type of player. Anyone who still debates this has never watched an NBA game in the past 20 years...

[@otf4464]

These espn "experts" want all of you guys to argue about this and ya'll fall for it lol. All three players are all time greats and hall of famers. Stop comparing greatness

[@Cypher-jd5kq]

Oscar stfu

[@Uchawibeatz]

I will always take Kobe over LeBron. I like LeBron enough to give him props for being a ball monster even with 15 seasons in, the guy has plays like he was a rookie, but kobe has been able to do so much with less given to him, plus he was loyal.

[@KouMurrell]

Actually Max, KOBE DOES have the genius for passing that’s just not in his genetic basketball makeup to be the primary passer. But as an example, there were a stretch of games in Kobe’s 16/17th season where he averaged 12+ assist for like 5 games straight bc he WANTED to pass the ball. ✔️

[@allabouttheu2182]

Sekou Murrell lmao 5 games

[@mrblend]

I remember that, that was when DAntoni wanted to try Kobe at the point guard spot.

[@tomsocala3158]

Kobe can pass as well as anyone in the NBA. He is an incredible play maker but thats not the type of player he is. When the Lakers had a championship team with Gasol, Kobe was an amazing playmaker for Gasol, they both complimented each other so well, fit like a glove.

[@paperboy215]

AllabouttheU21 he started those games at pg. He average like 22&12 those games in his 17th season. Plus Kobe had like 3 games of 40&10 that year.

[@tari8134]

Oh wow! 5 whole games!

[@eddward758]

LeBron brings you to the finals. Kobe wins you a finals

[@purplesky4157]

Marcus Schultz you don’t know about basketball. Kobe beat the team that started this whole super team fiasco. The Celtics! Lebron couldn’t beat the mavs or the spurs. Both very good teams but by far super teams like the Celtics. He did this with the help of pau gasol who is no where near d wade and around bosh level. The only other player I’ve seen single handily take down a super team was dirk but even then Kobe went back to back to back to the finals. He took the Celtics to seven games the first time then beat them then played orlando( which should’ve been the cavs) and beat them. I wish the cavs with lebron would’ve beat Orlando so they would get swept by Kobe then this debate would be pointless.

[@eddward758]

marco reyes bro i don’t even know why u took your time to answer this fool ..

[@user-qh4re4ts1m]

When Kobe was by himself, he couldn't get to the finals. It isn't even debatable, Lebron is simply better than Kobe

[@eddward758]

@@user-qh4re4ts1m 😕😕 ire dawg

[@r3v3latlon97]

@@user-qh4re4ts1m yeah but he didn't have to trade and trade to win, kobe stayed and won

[@gursewaksingh431]

Bruh y’all talking shit about Kobe, if Kobe had Wade and Bosh and was in the eastern conference I’m sure he’d be putting up better numbers. The two players are in undebatable for one. They are two different positions.

[@anuthapasubedi665]

Gursewak Singh if LeBron had prime shaq and Phil jackson...oh lord

[@gursewaksingh431]

Bobby Subedi lebron seems way to stubborn to actually be coached in my opinion

[@yourdeadhomieinmywood4175]

LeBum-Joins Superstar teams, Flops for fouls, Not clutch , Cries for superstars on his teams, 3 rings would have lost another final if it wasn’t for Kyrie He’s been playing in the Weak EAST KOBE- Clutch, 120+ 40 point Games, killer instinct, 20 seasons 1 team, Builds team rather than joining them 5 Rings , Played in the West Hardest unlike the weak east

[@muhidinmohamed671]

Blazed B LeBron is better than Kobe, regardless.

[@jetsettech8804]

Blazed B funny, you seem to leave out the part where kyrie wouldn't be in the finals if LeBron wasn't there

[@jolaadebiyi3780]

Blazed B Kobe would’ve lost the 2009 finals without gasol, Kobe shot 6-24 in game 7, not very clutch is it? Lol

[@jolaadebiyi3780]

Blazed B and you say bron cries for superstars, but wanted demanded to be traded away. And Kobe has a worse percentage on game winners lmao

[@EthanJ1005]

Lebron joined a superstar team in Miami, but once he left they were average and they only won finals because of him (unlike Kobe where Shaq was the alpha). Lebron's the most clutch player in the NBA this year based on so many statistics, leads the league in points scored with 5 mins left. Kobe once threatened to leave the lakers if they DIDNT get a superstar, so that argument about crying is dumb. Also Kobe literally won 3 finals BECAUSE of Shaq, in that finals with Kyrie, Lebron led every team in each stat (most dominant performance in finals history). Are you 6 years old? Jesus

[@KevinK0326]

Imagine if MJ did what Drama Queen Lebron did and join Bird and Parish or Magic and Kareem. MJ would never had a meltdown choke that Lebron pulled against Dallas and the Spurs. Mj would have won 12-14 championiships

[@KevinK0326]

Karn N MJ in the finals 6-0. what was lebron again?

[@ronl6610]

He didn’t need to he had PRIME SHAQ. Cmon man.

[@prophecy9521]

MJ wasn't facing The Spurs tho.

[@andrewliu111]

One thing about LeBron James is overrated. His teammates.

[@YoMrRice]

Please finish the though Max. You put a young LeBron on the 3 peat Lakers and he chokes in the 4th during hack a shaq time. I swear these guys place LeBron on a pedestal and forgive him for chasing rings. The man went to another Champions team to win in the east which is mostly garbage. I can't count how many times LeBron sat out of games because they're blowing away trash teams well Kobe is dealing with the Spurs. I'm willing to bet if you line them up, LeBron has played with more All-Stars and Kobe by a large margin but Kobe will always be penalized for playing with Shaquille O'Neal while Lebron won all those championships by himself and lost all those finals because he didn't have help

[@pmaestas93]

Lebron is better...any pippen said he's beat out mj on stats

[@gioDMP]

Phillip Maestas yea stats but not in the most important stat, finals wins. It's sad because LeBron can take over a finals game just like MJ or Kobe did but sometimes he chooses not to. Why? I'm not sure but it's cost him 5 finals losses.

[@pmaestas93]

gioDMP finals is a team achievement

[@gioDMP]

Phillip Maestas it is but these particular guys can dominate and change games completely. No one can really stop them. The decision making in finals moments is the only thing holding LeBron from being the best basketball player of all times. There have been better winners. But LeBron definitely is a stat filler, that is for sure. A stats and numbers enthusiasts dream.

[@pmaestas93]

gioDMP only loss that was his fault was mavs

[@ratkovac7]

Kobe's prime team is worse than Lebrons cleavlend team, Smush Parker, Kris Mihm, Radmanovic, Odom, Kwame.... Anyone who has ever played ball in his life will tell you its a no brainer that kobe is better

[@theman9048]

Kanal1 odom is better than anyone on those Cleveland teams.

[@ratkovac7]

Theman Odom in 2005-2008 is trash, and no he isnt better than ilgauskas, mo williams, larry heuges etc..

[@theman9048]

Kanal1 no those were his prime years. You might be to young to remember but he was the star who lead the maimi team to the playoffs. He was on his way to being an Allstar player. None of those guys you talking about lead any team near the playoffs.

[@ratkovac7]

Theman Im young to remeber? Im older than all of these idiots talking basketball right here, and if you claim your older how can you say lebron is even top 15 when you watched the game before when real players played

[@theman9048]

Kanal1 because I am not caught up in nostalgia. I actually look at things objectively. LeBron is is can do everything on the court and makes his team better while kobe is so great that he lifts his team's play. These are two different types of players that when you look at the history of the NBA you see t h at the LeBron types win more than the Kobe types. Teams win championship not players. If memphis doesn't do the pau deal kobe leaves LA to find another star to play with and because of his personality you have to put him with the right star.

[@SusanVladimir]

Bill Russell is better than MJ. Don't @ me 11 rings > 6 rings

[@BrianCheng24]

Lebron for regular season. Kobe for postseason. Also, Lebron is the greatest stat paddler of all time, and that isn't a bad thing.

[@trevonwindley5664]

Brian Cheng have you seen there postseason stats? LeBron kills in the postseason

[@alexandergonzalez5975]

Brian Cheng Would The cavs be better or worse without LBJ? They would go from being a annual finals contender to an 12th seed lottery team in the blink of an eye without Lebron.

[@afrogarou]

Kobe is aesthetically the most similar to Jordan On all time rankings, Lebron is the “closest”, at 2. Kobe is simply not as good as Lebron. We are past the point where rings are a valid argument. He simply is flat out *better* in every facet of the game. You can certainly argue that Kobe is more “skilled” than Lebron, but you could also argue that Dirk is more skilled than Shaq, however Shaq CLEARLY above dirk in all time ranking than dirk, because he was simply more effective. Edit: If you think Kobe was carried by Shaq, you’re an idiot .

[@Medversitario]

Nicholas Williams facts, only thing kobe is better than lebron is that he is clutch, lebron against the mavs didnt play well but he is turning into a clutch player we could see that on the 2016 finals but he will never be like jordan or kobe in this aspect, but i still think when bron retires he will be the GOAT

[@changez3336]

Nicholas Williams you lebron fans are all under 21 years old and are media washed lol

[@afrogarou]

Gio Salazar great argument. But I gave the facts, not my opinions, to back up what I was saying.

[@grandmaster9829]

Nicholas Williams Finally someone with an actual argument instead of being biased, people overrate his skill because he plays similar to Jordan but nobody would put Dirk above Shaq.

[@rasharbanks1392]

Nicholas Williams yu have to take into account the era lebron is playing in ... your not allowed to rlly get up into him cuz there is no hand checking now so he looks better then wat he actually is. Go back n look how the Celtics played him n 2008 n 2010 also the spurs in 2007 vs now

[@johnu8539]

Only Lavar Ball is closest to MJ

[@davidacevedo591]

J W and Lonzo Ball is greater than Steph Curry

[@ericthurmond1010]

Kobe and MJ wanted to play against the top players whereas Lebron wants them all on his team.

[@a1sinceday174]

Eric Thurmond after your comment I don't even wanna read no more cuz that's true

[@bwilly3615]

The Kobe vs LeBron debate ended years ago. It's not even close as to who's higher on the all-time list. Max said it perfectly, Kobe's closer to Jordan in terms of playing style but LeBron is the better basketball player.

[@wenwenni2]

I would argue that Kobe even surpassed Jordan when he was in his absolute prime. People forget how ridiculous he was during that 06 season. Kobe had like 6 50+ pt games, 25 40+ pt games, the 62 against Dallas in 3 quarters, and of course the 81 pt game. All of that was WITH the double and triple teams he was facing because the rest of the starting 5 was Lamar Odom, Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, and Chris Mihm. Not even MJ ever had a season like that.

[@krispyyhd-]

Amazing

[@wenwenni2]

Lol just when I think you Kobe haters can't get any dumber lol. Yeah MJ was so unstoppable that year that he dropped 81 on dudes and scored 62 in 3 quarters, which was more than the other team combined. Oh wait, that was Kobe!!! MJ had a great year that year but when Kobe was ON in 06, there was nothing like it. There's a reason people say KOBE! when they shoot a paper ball into a trashcan and not JORDAN!

[@wenwenni2]

Bruh first of all, you sound like some old ass who can't let go of the past man. You're not even arguing the same thing that I am. You're over here bringing up all these career stats, and what I was saying is that Kobe in his PRIME was better than any player has even been. You could argue MJ and it was close, but Kobe took MJ's game and elevated it to the next level. MJ played in a time when big men basically dominated the league and a high flying guard with the athleticism that he had was unheard of. MJ revolutionized the game with the way he played and more and more people started to want to be "like mike". With that, the NBA started being dominated more and more by guards who were much more athletic than the guards MJ played against. Therefore, teams started changing the way they played defense to combat these more athletic guards. In fact, MJ never even had to play against zone defenses. Kobe in his PRIME played against a slew of teams that were geared to stop guards like him, and yet the dude still destroyed every team in his way. If you watch game film of Jordan during his 88 season and Kobe during his 06 season, it's clear that Kobe had taken Jordan's game and elevated it to another level. You can definitely say that MJ was more revolutionary, but Kobe was the better player.

[@wenwenni2]

Why are you just saying the same things over and over and not even rebutting my point? The only argument you have is: "well look at this stat, and this stat, and this stat!". It's interesting that you are accusing me of being the one that doesn't have a historical point of reference, and you are one who doesn't seem to know anything about the history of the game. MJ was an athletic force that the league hadn't seen before, much like how Wilt has a physical force that the league hadn't seen before. Because teams saw how dominant Wilt and Bill Russell were, the league started to become more of a Big Men oriented league. Then MJ arrived and people saw how exciting and dominant an athletic guard was and people started to want to emulate that. Because of Wilt, teams started realizing they were going to need to figure out a way to stop big men and eventually they did. Hence why no one will ever average the insane stats that Wilt did. I mean, since you like to judge a players value just based off of stats, Wilt was significantly better than MJ. Anyways, you can see this effect in that Shaq, as dominant as he was, was never close to what Wilt did statistically. After MJ, teams started figuring out ways to stop dominant guards, i.e. zone defenses. So therefore, because of MJ, Kobe had to play against defenses that were much tougher for a guard like him. Yet he was still able to put up the numbers that he did. Again, I'm not saying MJ wasn't great, but there's a reason that even when MJ was hot, he wasn't 62 in 3 quarters or 81 pt HOT like Kobe. When Kobe was on his game, there was no player, not even MJ who could compare to him.

[@wenwenni2]

Also, you seem to like to assume that you're older than me. Just because I think Kobe is better means I'm younger? And let's say for the sake of argument that you are older than me. So you have a weaker immune system, a slower metabolism, look less attractive, and are closer to dying than me? Okay, good one buddy.

[@KingDerris_]

Kobe is a better winner, LeBron is a better stat padder... just imagine if Kobe or MJ was 6'8 270lbs.

[@iiNeVeRCluTcH]

Darius King Stat padder? You mean kobe shooting 60 shots a game?? 🤔😂😂😂

[@younggoat2622]

Darius King you a dumbass

[@jetsettech8804]

Darius King lol dumb as shit

[@KumiHufanga]

LeBron with prime d wayde and kyrie still taking L's lmao

[@kevinbrooks2979]

Darius King 2010 NBA Finals Game 7 Kobe 6-24 FG and 0-6 3pt for 23 Points vs Celtics 2013 NBA Finals Game 7 LeBron 12-23 FG and 5-10 3pt for 37 Points vs Spurs LeBron vs Kobe PPG: LeBron APG: LeBron RPG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe PER: LeBron W/S: LeBron O/Rating: LeBron D/Rating: LeBron Mvps: LeBron FMvps: LeBron Rings: Kobe LeBron is better All Around Basketball player then Kobe Seasons avg 25 PPG LeBron 13 > Kobe 12 Seasons avg +25 PPG on +50% FG LeBron 7 > Kobe 0 Seasons Shooting +40% 3pt LeBron 1 > Kobe 0 Regular Season Triple Doubles LeBron 59 > Kobe 21 NBA Finals Career Triple Doubles LeBron 9 > Kobe 0 Playoffs Games Total Stats Kobe 220 LeBron 217 Total Points LeBron 6,163 (1st All Time) Kobe 5,640 Total Rebounds LeBron 1,922 Kobe 1,119 Total Assists LeBron 1,489 Kobe 1,040 Total Steals LeBron 389 Kobe 310 Total Blocks LeBron 209 Kobe 144 Total 3point Shots Made LeBron 331 Kobe 292 Postseason Game Winning Buzzer Beaters LeBron 3 Kobe 1 Finals 40 Point Games LeBron 6 vs west Kobe 1 vs east LeBron better All Around Basketball player in Postseason then Kobe Kobe ranks 8-10 all time player LeBron top 2 or 3 all time player

[@tonikramer5178]

No way Lbj is more valuable than Kobe .That’s political

[@CR-hq1uz]

LeBron and his stans have done a great job of framing the argument as a Jordan debate, magically leapfrogging Russell, Kareem, Magic, et al. Jordan and Russell will always be 1 and 2, respectively. Kobe may have played with the most dominant center of the era, but he won 2 rings without him. LeBron has never won a ring without a superteam.

[@MOBOBBA2166]

Well neither has Jordan and Bill Russell played on the same Celtics team that basically had the same players at least core players for 11 years. So what's your point?

[@thatcoolkid777]

Kareem number 2 IMO But I believe that Lebron could catch up to all those other guys by the time his career ends maybe even secure that number 2 spot

[@Luvhilal]

Lebron beat the warriors in 2016 from a 3 to 1 deficit. He wasn't on no superteam he had a solid big 3. If you think that's a superteam then the sixers the twolves and the nuggets are all superteams aswell

[@stefonpiggott9109]

Dylan B Umm who tf was on Jordan’s “superteam” during his first 3 championships? With Horace grant as his 3rd best player? Lmao kids your age didn’t even get to see the greatness of this man for yourselves. Matter fact who was on his superteam during his last 3 championships too? They lost grant and They added Rodman who was at the tail end of his career. Kukoc and Kerr were good but let’s be real they were just good role players. Just because Jordan’s bulls went 72-10 doesn’t mean they were and actual superteam. Jordan was just that great of a player, his greatness is making these guys look better than they were in reality.

[@440iife4]

B K THANK YOU SOMEBODY FINALLY SAID IT

[@ClubMember]

People who says kobe>lebron don't watch basketball.

[@mr.frazier4508]

Club Member Kobe is the closest to Jordan when it comes to playing style but as in greatest then it's lebron

[@nimasab6395]

Club Member It's their opinion what is it to you? There is no way to actually tell it's all opinion bro.

[@kaushiksinha793]

It is not that easy both are different

[@ClubMember]

John Vick but is true :)

[@ClubMember]

Kaushik Sinha it is so easy, kobe is one of the greatest, but he is not on lebron or Jordan's level

[@mrbubbles293]

Finally an interesting debate. I never heard anybody talk about this yet...

[@JosueLopezTotalAnimes]

MJ >> Kobe>>>>>>>>LeBron Kobe the most similar player of Michael Jordan Clutch ,scoring and defenders Maching

[@EthanJ1005]

L

[@JosueLopezTotalAnimes]

Ethan VanderHoff 🤣🤣🤣

[@dondrickdem]

L

[@330dinero8]

Josué López meanwhile lebron is more clutch than kobe in the playoffs

[@JosueLopezTotalAnimes]

James Lenzy WTF?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the word Clutch in the same sentence with LeBron is a Joke 🤣🤣🤣

[@eliasmina5805]

Max Kellerman is correct, once again

[@kingoortman6348]

Elias Mina he's wrong clearly I would shit on you but I got shit to do son

[@ogcryingfacememe9115]

Elias Mina Kobe is the most like Jordan

[@NathanKelly11]

Elias Mina max def Knows has stuff!

[@dagatsby8918]

Elias Mina max has been getting it lately, while SAS just be getting loud

[@tianzhuzhang3876]

He seldomly is

[@dominiqueedwards2847]

Sum of yall are really buggin lmaoooo MJ is 1A n Kobe 1B......LeBron is still playin catch up to Kobe in my opinion.....Bron is jus now figuring out the clutch gene down the stretch of games if he can perfect tht then i will give him the nod over Kobe but as for MJ he is unreachable....u youngins better get tht thru yall thick skulls n go back n watch some MJ

[@MrSeanMDolan]

Dominique Edwards “clutch gene” lol. I love how you say the same bogus and Skip like that’s a thing. LeBron at any point of the game has more efficient shooting than Kobe, especially crunch time according to all statistics

[@dominiqueedwards2847]

Sean Dolan listen im goin by wat i see....im not goin by BS statistics....u cld shoot 90% for 3 qtrs n not attempt or make any shots in the 4th qtr wen it counts....tht means nothing at the end of the day.....i need sum1 to close games....Yes LeBron makes the right plays at times but wen u can get to the rim at will n score or draw a foul near the end of games he shld do tht more often....had he been doin tht frm jump he would be the most unstoppable guy EVER! but he either turns up shots or limps off the court cuz of cramps smh

[@prophecy9521]

LeBron has 4 MVP's, Kobe has 1, MJ has 5. Whos's catching up to who???

[@dominiqueedwards2847]

Prophecy95 Kobe has 5 RINGS n Lebron has 3....u were sayin?

[@dubnation6605]

Kobe won most of them as a sidekick LMAO.

[@evildead2376]

Kobe all day! #TheLegend

[@andrewfanfan]

No

[@evildead2376]

@@andrewfanfan SHUT UP!

[@ben-fm2jl]

1. Jordan 2. Kobe

[@jonathancena68]

Straight facts from Stephen here. And Max is talking about Bron’s defense?! Really? He was never a 2 way player. He barely put some defense nowadays. Come’on man

[@moneymillionmic3761]

Kobe was LOYAL period

[@namewhat122]

Money Million Mic he wanted to be traded to the bulls fym

[@Shawn.Mathew]

You mean the guy who wanted put in la before he got pau gasol

[@SeekingNewHeights777]

How can you compare a 6’8 250 pounds small forward to a 6’6 210 shooting guard

[@Ichifate]

Kobe got carried by shaq, ok kobe in the 3 peat First year: 21.1 ppg 4.4 apg 4.5 rpg 1.5 spg 1.5 bpg Second year : 29.4 ppg 6.1 apg 7.3 rpg 1.6 spg 0.8 bpg Third year : 26.6 ppg 4.6 apg 5.8 rpg 1.4 spg 0.9 bpg, for stat heads

[@theace3164]

Kobe over lebron any day

[@mowflexthesubnegro1846]

Kobe>LBJ. Without Brons size he would be average or slightly above. His body makes it easy for him to get easy layups.

[@soundersaz550]

Agreed. In terms of pure skillset, I take Kobe all day.

[@drewellis1995]

I get what you saying but I don’t think you can say somebody genetics cause what if he was lesser he be basically Greek freak before Greek freak if he was skinner just not as long not saying you wrong but it still be up for debate cause he would still have his IQ passing and the athleticism

[@jetsettech8804]

Moses Augustus that's apart of basketball. That's why he is as good as he is. So if Kareem wasn't his size he wouldn't be that good either?

[@soundersaz550]

Of course it's a factor and a valid one at that, but I'm talking post play, free throw shooting, clutch performance, mid-range, etc. I think Kobe is superior in many of those categories to Bron. Bron is a great basketball player, no doubt, easily top 5, but I would rather watch Kobe in his prime over Bron.

[@QthAgR8]

I said it before : lebron greatest athlete Kobe best scorer Jordan best nba player

[@danadane6482]

Max has been Killing Stephen A...Lately!!

[@edwind.trujillo5572]

C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar PF: Tim Duncan SF: Lebron James SG: Michael Jordan PG: Magic Johnson These are arguably the best players to play each position. Kobe beats Lebron in scoring but no way you pick him over Lebron if you're starting a team.

[@davidacevedo591]

Edwin D. Trujillo Great team bro

[@randy2152]

I 100% agree with this.

[@edwind.trujillo5572]

David Acevedo Being completely unbiased I think that's the all time starting 5.

[@auc2.0]

Edwin D. Trujillo agreed that list is 100% accurate and I would be surprised if someone had something negative to say about that starting five

[@bi3643]

Edwin D. Trujillo I think that's a great 5, now I got to find a team to play against them...

[@kingstonshacklebolt1431]

LeBron James has played *with* virtually all of the best players of his era and he still has less rings than Kobe Bryant. Now what does that say?

[@zyback]

that KD joined the warriors and ruined the NBA when lebron coulda won more

[@dparks2856]

None of those players were better than shaq

[@TAVV00S]

I d pick kobe to beat lebron any day Bb is not just s game of numbers And whoever is saying robber horry won more chips than mj stfup We re talking about key players and leaders playing the main eole in winning the ring not a robbert horry caliber kind of players At least kobe didnt build super teams to fet his 1st chip Lebron is outstanding But kobe is better imo

[@mustafakgunn]

Legend = Kobe Bryant 👍🙏

[@black_savage96]

Kobe plays like Jordan and Lebron plays like Magic

[@kefkapalazzo1]

“Minnerserter” that’s a New York think I’m sure I know a few people in their 50s from here that at the r. Personally I can’t say them unless I force it usually

[@cory2241]

Celtics fan here.. but Kobe over Bron all day , there's thing you can't put down on a stat paper if you were too watch both career and never see a statistical number ever most people would pick Kobe , it's funny how Bron fans say mjs 6 and Kobe 5 rings dont mean there better look at the stats but if I tell you westbrook Kareem and Oscar are better then LeBron cause of stats youd say hell no , look at there legacy look at how they played and what they did to the game Kobe> LeBron

[@dblackzilla]

Not surprise LBJ been stomping y'all ass for years I'll pick Kobe too cause he will let his team lose by 40pts in a elimination game in the finals. I know you remember that ass whipping your Celtics put on a Kobe lead team. LBJ would never lose like that so i understand. LMAO

[@cory2241]

Dedric Sanders are you delusional? How long you been watching basketball for my celtics knocked LBJ out the playoffs so many times he had to go run to the Heat and build a super team lol couldn't barely handle Paul pierce dropping 40 on him

[@wipe919]

No7ez can you elaborate how kobe is better than LeBron without mentioning rings?

[@dblackzilla]

Been watching since 1979 and your Celtics built a Super team 1st so who cares where he joined Once talent was even LBJ been stomping y'all ass!!!

[@dblackzilla]

He's not better these dudes are haters.

[@keithwalters1555]

With that said, I feel like LeBron is the better basketball player overall...but Kobe is hands down the closest I think we will ever see to Jordan

[@CB-ns6sy]

All LeBrons finals described. 2007- 2nd best player was Boobie gibson 2011- Chocked 2012-Won 2013-Won 2014-Washed up and injured heat team 2015- No Kyrie or Love 2016- Won after down 3-1 2017- KD joined 73- 9 team after blowing 3-1 lead.

[@chickenmanoktae]

2016 - Rigged

[@fallenprodigy23]

Sounds like excuses made for a guy who hand picks his team every year

[@lbwall7358]

W

[@gloedup150]

2007- played horrible individually his team still lost by a average of only 6ppg but got swept 2011- outplayed by a bench player 2012- won 2013- saved by Ray Allen 2015- blew a 2-1 lead 2016- Got Draymond suspended bogut got hurt missed game 7 Iggy had back spasms and curry wasn't himself which lead to him winning. 2017- Almost got swept lmao

[@MOBOBBA2166]

2013 Ray Allen save them in game 6 they're still game 7 to play so that does not matter. In 2016 okay Bogut got hurt and green got suspended. You going to give the Warriors at and asterisk in 2016 what about the Cavs in 2015?? LeBron almost beat the Warriors without Kyrie and Kevin Love. Also Draymond got suspended for his actions against the Thunder and his actions against the Cavs it was a collection of his actions against the Thunder and the Cavs. The NBA actually release that as the reason. In 2017 the Warriors needed an Escape Route and got KD the second best player in the league. In 2007 what do you expect he was on a Cavs team that the next best player was Baron Davis and they went up against the San Antonio Spurs and he was only in his fourth year. LeBron went to Miami like KD went to the Warriors. You have no argument. 3-1. We're done.

[@WeaponryFitness22]

I hate to choose between them, but it's a no brainer, Lebron James all day. No body will ever be as dominant and selfless as Lebron.

[@hernancortez4446]

Tayta Tot many people have been more dominant than Lebron. Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, etc

[@igotthemagicinm3843]

LeBron ran to Dwyane cuz wade was the man and lebron knew it.

[@Hydro.420]

All the 15 year olds here saying Kobe is better that never even watched Kobe at his prime. Kobe is a top 10 player of all time, LeBron is simply better. This doesn't mean Kobe is bad, stop being so offended.

[@S8dj2Adk1mfkFtk]

Kappa LOL...im 35. Ive seen both at their primes. Kobe’s a better player than Lebron simply because he doesn’t fear failure and as a result he won 5 champions despite not as physically gifted as lebron.

[@TJzWayyy]

Bobby Tan what does that even mean? Doesn’t fear failure?

[@beechris1815]

Bobby Tan did LeBron gear failure in games 7's against the spurs and the warriors? Both better teams than kobe beat.

[@S8dj2Adk1mfkFtk]

brandon chrisentery uuhmmm kobe OWNS the Spurs. and kyrie drilled the game winner against the warriors “.

[@str8duval]

Bobby Tan lol that means nothin

[@zuffyg4772]

Well if you put Kobe and Jordan together you'll get a better verion of MJ tbh. But let's be honest here. LeBron is not Kobe or Jordan. And he's not trying to be either.

[@yungcyty2783]

Kobe will always be better then James. The only thing people can say is Kobe had O'Neal for the first 3rings. Look at Kobe after O'Neal,what kill me is James gets everypass in the book when losing. Every ring that James got its because of other superstars. James not even clutch like Kobe and if you watch basketball you should know that. If am down 2 in the 4th quarter with 5 seconds on the clock I want Kobe to have the ball and alot of y'all would 2.

[@FrederickHiemer]

bro if all you can look at is who is better at taking the last shot then idk what to tell you. there is so much more to winning a game than making a single clutch shot and across the board lebron is better stats wise and has a more dominant career. yes I love kobe and would never bash him bc he is true greatness but career wise he is not as great as lebron and he's still got three more years of this

[@jaobille79]

look at the numbers bro. only the ring argument wins kobe. everything else is LEBRON. you dumb

[@cosiestprism708]

Yung Cyty U do realize Lebron has better clutch stats than Kobe right?

[@adarshmishra8975]

Cut the bullshit, Lebron is by far more clutch than Kobe. Being clutch isn't only playing well the last seconds of a game, it is playing well throughout a game or series. Examples of such game are: Game 5 and 6 when down 3-1 against the Warriors (down 3-1) he scores back to back 41 points, when he was down 3-1 he came back and won the series whilst leading both teams in all 5 major statistical categories, something Kobe can't even dream of. Triple double in game 7, with that block in what "crunch time" that game winner in game 2 against the Magic in 2009 ECSF against pacers (40 points, 18 rebounds, 9 assists) game 6 against Boston in the garden, where he killed Boston (2012) Game 5 game winner against the Wizards in 2006, in one of his first playoff series That 49 point game against the Nets Game 6 2013 Finals, where Lebron lead the comeback before Ray Allen iced that three, he had a triple double in that game whilst being down 3-2 Then that Game 7 where he hit that three to finish of the Spurs, where he also had 37 points Game against the Piston in 2007, where he scored 25 straight points, 29 out of 30 points overall, hit a game winner with that layup and finished with 48 points, 9 rebounds and 7 assists. In Game 7, Lebron averages more points on a higher percentage from the field and 3 point, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks. Same with elimination games Lebron also has more shots made in "clutch" time compared to Kobe, who has shot more, this means Lebron also shoots a higher percentage during "clutch" time. Lebron also has a higher true shooting percentage than Kobe in "Clutch" time www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/5/11/8584749/lebron-james-michael-jordan-game-winning-shots www.12up.com/posts/4981836-this-stats-show-lebron-is-more-clutch-than-kobe Please Stop with the "Kobe is clutch and Lebron is not" bullshit

[@yungeastsidejuice4733]

don't forget lebron is better than him at everything ..

[@bentwilleager5011]

Kobe had a top 10 player all time in Shaq. And a top 10 PF all time, with Pau Gasol. Both in their primes. The best player bron player with was an injury laced Dwade, out of his prime.

[@jasonfrazier2477]

Pleplop - truuu

[@bobwasnothere101]

Lol Paul gasol top 10 PF where??

[@morelife4432]

Pau?? Top 10?? U are reaching to try and prove a point.

[@Andy-ux4lm]

Wade wasnt out of his prime until 2014

[@DFlowetry]

You do know Wade is a top 3 Sg Gaurd ever right ?

[@jheirmusic]

I don't want to hear about the East being weak as a valid argument against Lebron. Then they talk about MJ never losing in the finals. We all know that when MJ played the West was weak. He was 6-0 in the finals against the weak Western Conference just like Lebron has won 7 straight Eastern Confernce finals. Jordan's challenge was always getting out of the Eastern Conference. It took him several years to even get to the Eastern Conference finals. Then they lost to the Pistons over and over and over again. Lebron's 7 straight finals appearances is equivalent to Jordans 6-0 finals record. It is more fair to compare Jordan's Eastern conference playoff record with Lebron's finals record., IMO

[@jonathancastillo3475]

J-Heir Music not even close

[@adamfeliciano6321]

The Sonics jazz suns were far from weak. One. Kobe won his 5th ring with the 8th seed being a 50 win team and the finals team being one of the best defensive teams of all time. Not to mention every other year he had to go through the west. Lebrons finals record would be better if he was In the west because he’d only have made a finals 3 times and won once. Facts

[@mccraejoey82]

all great players at the end of the day we need to just enjoy and watch the greatness of them and stop trying to compare everybody

[@George-pw7md]

People forget what Kobe did against the Spurs during his younger years. Many could argue that those series were the real Finals and Kobe was always HUGE FOR LA against the them. Lebron has always been in the the weaker Eastern Conference.

[@fortywater707]

SAS spitting FACTSSSS

[@rayjerroldbelarma121]

So because kobe won with shaq, it is taken against him. But when lebron won with wade, bosh, kyrie, love, he's smart.. how is that a fair judgement. Stupid

[@hottakes5294]

If LeBron played with prime Shaq, people would say Shaq carried him too because LeBron would defer to him more than Kobe did. So Lebeautiful fans need to stop with his argument.

[@dieumerci1859]

Kobe fans don't appreciate basketball because of their low basketball IQ. Kobe and MJ's style of play really appeals to casual fans who just want to see someone play hero ball. These types of fans are same ones who said Stephen Curry was a better basketball player than Lebron James. They over sensationalize hero ball and penalize team play for their selfish enjoyment. This is why you hear them scream Kobe while playing pickup games at a rec while their teammates are pissed off.

[@chrisalena1164]

Dieu Merci you probably suck at basketball BUT I do agree that hero ball appeals more to casual fans than high IQ fans

[@dieumerci1859]

Chris Alena if college level sucks then cool. Not everyone makes it to the NBA or wants to play overseas.

[@jaiclark5626]

Only reason people don't like Kobe is because of that scandal. When Jordan had that gambling problem nobody said anything. And I'm a bulls fan.

[@C.JButler]

ESPN with the same headlines Lebron another triple double will he win mvp? Lonzo ball improving? Lebron or Jordan?

[@thetruth-gy2lc]

It's funny former players, HOFers, coaches, GM's all say Kobe > Bron. But BSPN & media says otherwise. U can really tell they have an agenda against him lol he was probably a jerk to most of them lmfao

[@thescourge6989]

Not even a debate. Kobe was a killer. Kobe wanted to do it on his own. Kobe was capable of doing it on his own. None of those things are true of james, and therefore this is a dead question. There's MJ and there's Kobe and there's nobody else.

[@330dinero8]

blake knight where ever kobe is on the all time list lebron is infront of him

[@briancarter2847]

Something about Lebron James game, I don't like. He's so physical and explosive, that his game doesn't look graceful. His jumpshot form is ugly. Lebron James is more like a young, powerful Charles Barkley. James is all about power. Throwing people out the way. Dunking on people with force. If anything I get a better thrill watching clips of Larry Bird. He's just more graceful out there. His shot is prettier. He just looks smoother out there. And no Lebron James isn't better than Larry Bird, not even close.

[@Bigg_Westcoast]

TEM DOL facts

[@gioDMP]

True, LeBron has just had more longevity and athleticism than Larry legend but in their primes Larry had that same mentality that Jordan and kobe had and LeBron has shown he doesn't have it.

[@Bigg_Westcoast]

gioDMP true facts

[@FrederickHiemer]

yo how does aesthetic appeal matter for who's better lol. but i'm not gonna diss bird or his competition but i still wouldn't say better than bron

[@Bigg_Westcoast]

FrederickHie noun a set of principles underlying and guiding the work of a particular artist or artistic movement.

[@est.inthe80s]

Stop letting Max talk basketball please

[@Flordiaman34]

Corderro Faulkner he made a great argument wtf you talking about? Stephen A smith didn’t even reply to his comment after that just talked nonsense about Kobe being young going from bench to 6th man nonsense.

[@juandanada]

thank you

[@ericdupree8603]

Kobe is MJ copy cat. There will never be another Lebron vice versa will never be another MJ. Lebron and MJ look and play the game to different to compare, so it has to be Kobe.

[@danielorosco289]

Josh Lee ben Simmons

[@ericdupree8603]

Daniel Orosco Ben Simmons resembles more Magic Johnson verses Lebron in my opinion

[@danielorosco289]

Josh Lee no I don't agree cuz Simmons can rebound better then magic which puts him in LeBron category both big and play smart

[@ericdupree8603]

Daniel Orosco Magic and Lebron both avg. 7 rebounds throughout there career, what you talking about?

[@danielorosco289]

Josh Lee so wait Ben Simmons is more like magic but yet you wanna compare magic and LeBron

[@gdiking]

Lebron vs Kobe debate is so stupid, why do americans like to debate over stupid or even irrelevant subject. I am from Korea and this debate was over long time ago when Lebron won his 3rd championship. Every statistical categories favor Lebron, he makes his teammates better, more MVPs, more FMVPs, probably more 1st all nba team, more win shares, higher VORP, higher BPM, more points,rebound,assist in playoff. Come on Americans!

[@OVERLORDCNOTE]

Daeil Go 5>3

[@bokibollano]

Asians have no brain!

[@dazhill50]

Daeil Go EVERYBODY LIKE LEBRON THOUGH

[@bokibollano]

daz hill only kids do

[@gdiking]

Ylli Lipa, You act like a 4 year old kid. Just tell me your point and I will listen to you.