Stephen A. and Max argue about which Kobe Bryant was better: 8 or 24 | First Take | ESPN

[@tonio8870]

Kobe so great they debating who's better KOBE or KOBE 😂😂😂

[@jimmby12jommoz19]

Answer is both

[@johnsondailysports1341]

Facts

[@mjnorman9824]

Yup! 😂

[@blackmomba9368]

And neither Kobe could beat MJ.

[@downbad5622]

@@blackmomba9368 Jordansexuals smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@itsmemarco_9926]

Kobe wearing number 8 played with swagger Kobe 24 played with finesse

[@djfacts9770]

Marco Sanchez, yup your right, & MJ has always been known as the greatest finesse player Ever! He might have copied everything but at least he has solidified himself as the closet to MJ. Which in order to pass MJ one must be perfect in the finals, have a killer instinct, & be consistent in the clutch. - DJ Facts, Rotten Apple Radio

[@djfacts9770]

Kevin Lewis, so why is there video footage of mike in the early days innovating moves that kobe & lebron later copied. So who stuck their tongue out before mike? & why do both kobe & lebron have pics out there w/the patented tongue hang. Fucking Larry Bird said that micheal jordan is God w/a basketball jersey. Last I checked a God is higher than a king & is deadlier than a mamba!!!!!!! You just lost round 3 of this debate 3-0 & you done son 😂😂😂😂 - DJ Facts

[@djfacts9770]

Kevin Lewis, I'm talkn bout classic sports network & your full of shit. Before any of the content on classic, no one was doing anything acrobatic. This is documented in literature & spoken out the mouths of basketball historians. Dude your ignorant & obviously don't do any due diligence. If you can't provide a researchable source why are you still typing...I'm off this! Your dismissed - DJ Facts

[@showout2982]

Athleticism = 8 better Overall complete basketball player = 24

[@awrahbynoor9984]

Kobe was never a complete basketball player lol

[@TheOriginalxLowKey]

AWRAH BY NOOR stay away from drugs kid

[@theonlyone261]

Stop. Kobe was a monster on Defense and offense.

[@TheKiid810]

Yahhbishh he a 2000s born child plz forgive em

[@melekelewis2945]

AWRAH BY NOOR u idiot kobe was a complete ball player. Offensively and defensively kobe could do it all shoot rebound pass free throws. Everything

[@antoniorossiz]

When Stephen A mentions the Gasol for Kwame trade, it's like hearing a favorite musician perform one of their old classics.

[@jeysonretumalta8302]

antoniorossiz lmfaoo

[@michaeldikeocha2919]

The heist of the decade 😂😂

[@joegutierrez1554]

But what he doesn't mention is Marc Gasol was a part of that trade

[@christianjackcordova810]

"Best" comment period.

[@jayjaypaybay]

“Kwa-may” cracks me up

[@houstonrockets6768]

Number 8 Kobe With The Afro 🔥 Unstoppable

[@allenlegacy242]

James Harden Frobe was a killer

[@dangermouse22]

Was just about to say this. Frobe was a behemoth

[@lakers1436]

The 2001 FroBe. He was ready to take over the team and the league

[@bradytom8010]

24 was way better

[@QthAgR8]

James Harden how can u stop the unstoppable??😂😂

[@100sickness]

Number 8 Kobe did some things that most would think are not humanly possible

[@YungJay216]

#RapistKobe arrested on July 4 2003 #Wikipedia Kobe never went too jail you actually made a troll account . They should’ve never gave you niggas the internet!

[@TSCOTT-oz5vy]

Kobe dropped 81points in that #8 and he literally jumped over D. Howard head and racked him. Nuff Said!! (Mamba 4 Life) 24hrs 8 days a week. 💪🏿🐍

[@cutup1]

Well, both gentlemen just stated the reason why both numbers should indeed be retired. 8/24 ☝️

[@donnyingles9653]

ˈdōpəˌmēn just say will be. If you dk kobe havin both retired tonight just gtfoh

[@cutup1]

tteverywhere 97 5 rings is what he usually wears as well. 🤔

[@andreialexandruparfeni7129]

ˈdōpəˌmēn Fair point. He still usually shot around 8/24 in the Finals except 2002.

[@edisonsun21c]

8/24 is 0.333333333, let’s keep it at 0.33 and retire that!

[@robertpaulin4086]

ˈdōpəˌmēn Facts8/24

[@briansalas9064]

It’s extremely close but out of all Kobe’s opponents in the Finals, 2010 Celtics were the toughest rival 3 Hall of Famers in Pierce, Garnett, and Allen Plus 1 all-star talent in Rondo

[@Kdootdoot]

Brian Salas I think they’re the best team he faced in the finals by far. They’re the only team he faced that won a title

[@GEEZYEA777]

Idk man. That Pistons team was pretty amazing

[@andreialexandruparfeni7129]

Brian Salas 2008 Celtics were younger, more athletic and Garnett hadn't yet been injured.

[@bidenhatesblacksandmexican3362]

Pistons beat Shaq, kobe, Payton and Malone

[@theheart9681]

Hillary for Prison. FeelTheBern All of them were old except for Kobe and they all hated each other

[@IronAngel]

24 Kobe Period. 24 won 2 of his 5 rings without Shaq and was more Mature

[@yoda9318]

Iron Angel bitch maturity ain’t got shit to do with which one was better...same Kobe but one is a shooter and another is a slasher.

[@matttheknicksfan]

Ocho Gaming i wouldnt call a barely above 30% 3pt shooter a "shooter" but his footwork and mid range were elite

[@Stinkmeaner-_-]

Ocho Gaming. Why called he/she a bitch for? Rude fuck

[@jonathanshoucair374]

Kobe 8 was immature def. Lakers would never have gone to shit if Kobe didn't get himself involved with the Colorado incident.

[@gloedup150]

Matt The Knicks Fan watch a fucking game instead of looking at percentages most of Kobe's points came from midrange and 3 point rage he was a shooter that could slash if he wanted to he shot 34% from 3 in his prime before the injuries

[@domonicdecoco2410]

#8 2005-2006 Kobe is the greatest basketball player to ever play the game. The most unstoppable force in the history of basketball. Absolute KILLER.

[@russell9411]

Dominic Decoco lmfaoo that man avg 40 4 different months with smush parker and Kwame brown

[@tavius88]

I’m not even mad at that. 05-06 Kobe was a monster in every sense of the word

[@JPerryMMA3]

Domonic Decoco a true beast

[@Kris10Kay]

87 and 88 Jordan was better lol Jordan averaged 35 while winning DPOY

[@KingDerris_]

"Only Kobe could beat me" - Michael Jordan

[@chaotic5907]

Darius King “NO” -Rosa Parks

[@adamleon9128]

Isiah Thomas This is a real quote by MJ tho

[@igwelukata7715]

Because he stole all my moves

[@chaotic5907]

Adam Leon that’s a real quote by Rosa fam

[@michaelo1878]

Adam Leon that’s a real Rosa parks wuote

[@goat1946]

I'm 18, never got to watch 8 Kobe live but from what I've seen, athletically insane, I watched 24, he was more skillful and that's what I like and he won 2 without Shaq in 24 so I got 24

[@ThatNiggaNedStark]

I'm 19 and grew up watching him. My favorite player ever and the greatest next to Jordan in my opinion!

[@ThatNiggaNedStark]

Tyreck Says Maybe 24. That's the one I seen do all types of crazy stuff.. Before the injuries of course

[@trent1k_157]

Tyreck Says I agree

[@russell9411]

GOAT go watch kobe 02-03

[@jondadon7993]

He won 2 without shaq, who cares, #8 frobe was still badass, that's like saying can Jordan win a championship without Pippen, he won all six with pippen

[@lorantmena6373]

Stephen A. .... "NO ONE WOULD EVER ACCUSE ME OF DANCING AROUND ISSUES.." HAHAHAHAHA yeah right.

[@lorantmena6373]

Honestly a good question. Accuse***** lol

[@azneph611]

It doesn’t matter to me Kobe is my favorite basketball player

[@MichaelLandSeaAndAir]

Caleb Wong same here

[@joshuajames3964]

Same

[@anthonyg2889]

Caleb Wong ever!!

[@jaquanford9503]

facts

[@StayTru101]

Big facts

[@OscarBenben]

8 was a Kid 24 was a Man.

[@goatinaroun1944]

Oscar et sa guitare 8 was better

[@OscarBenben]

@Thunder in 7 Actually mate, who cares ? It's the same guy so it's a false debate.

[@goatinaroun1944]

Oscar et sa guitare obviously they do since they’re debating it

[@OscarBenben]

I think Kobe knew it. He knew that this debate will take place and he feeds us with that by changing his number after 10 years. I believe he's a smart guy and that this move is 100% premedited and conscious. Fans like these talks and this cross-generational debates. They will be on the table forever and noone will never have an answer for it.

[@bidenhatesblacksandmexican3362]

8 was carried by Shaq.

[@PHNX-bv5qs]

Haha, KWAME BROWN. I miss SAS ranting on him in the past.

[@relaxingsounds8849]

A- Rom same

[@allenlegacy242]

A- Rom was legendary lol

[@gman164gf]

Odom also was huge not just gasol just saying before the kadashian and the drugs smh

[@CarnageGaming23-b2e]

The way he says his name gets me every time 😂

[@ThatNiggaNedStark]

Kwaa'may Brown

[@trvspvrk]

8 was more athletic and had more legendary moments but 24 was more versatile & calculated

[@trvspvrk]

W as always for me

[@bidenhatesblacksandmexican3362]

kobe = Shaq's sidekick

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

DDG's Ass Eating Face #ImSavingMyselfForKennedy W as always bro

[@thillysaunders2438]

24, he played with dominance and made it look easy

[@golddace6561]

Thilly Saunders 8 was Epic all the game winner and the swagger Dunk on everybody uff 🔥💪Kobe #8

[@redscorpion9325]

Thilly Saunders Then he got old and injured every year at Lakers fell off and only kept Kobe out of respect even though he lost his skills

[@shyshka_]

8 was more dominant. That was when he scored 81 and averaged 40 in multiple months.

[@shyshka_]

And would make moves that would make your jaw drop

[@russell9411]

Depressed Lakers Fan 05-06 yup

[@marcusjones8680]

24 Kobe for the last shot. 8 Kobe if i want him go for 30 or to dunk on someone

[@gen4john660]

Marcus Jones he missed more clutch shots as 24.

[@amazingpotato781]

Go for 30? he averaged over that

[@MrChickinface]

Kobe is laughing now. This was probably his plan all along to change his number to get both retired at Staples center

[@rockothomas8922]

commenter68plus1 no because he wanted to be next to Jordan

[@Sixtus62]

Rodney Thomas 😑

[@neilpm12]

That's how great Kobe is. People who don't even like him click on these videos and take so much time out of their to watch or comment. Thanks for stopping by. Kobe is a great, can't take that away.

[@LM-lj2cf]

Neil Morte he not even top 10 lmfaooooo.

[@neilpm12]

NIGGA WHAAT?? I didn't even say where I think he ranks. I don't have to. He doesn't need to be top 10 to be a great. Who cares? Top 10, 50, 100. Doesn't matter. He made his mark on the league.

[@1990758]

Neil Morte I'm not interested in a video I already know what they going to say I like to have a nice conversation with the other people but why are Laker fans so quick to call you a hater if you don't drink the same cup of Kool-Aid that they drink

[@neilpm12]

1990758 that's anecdotal. It all depends on the point being made. Nice conversations would be great, but so much disrespect being spread around the greats of the game for Kobe and Lebron especially.

[@milesdaily5387]

They just did this 3 months ago

[@leroyrodgers6089]

Miles Daily yeah, it’s because we found out 3 months ago that his numbers will be retired....now it’s actually happening. What’s the problem?

[@jeanmoleus3590]

Miles Daily thank you! And that time SAS didn't pick none of the numbers, He said he can't choose cause both were great

[@eddilovee]

Miles Daily they'll do it forever.

[@DaJuiceisLoose11]

😂

[@johnnystacks8667]

of course they did...theyre gonna do it 10 more times, as well as MJ vs Lebron, that will be brought up at least 100 more times

[@BrianCheng24]

24 Kobe was better, but 8 Kobe was much much funner to watch.

[@docrussojr]

*24 was the one I grew up on*

[@LilYBOD]

CubaGordy same thing was thinkin lol

[@drhooligan3800]

CubaGordy he played 24 for 10 years of his career bruv

[@gloedup150]

Same I start watching in 08

[@bidenhatesblacksandmexican3362]

Lol you missed the Shaq carried kobe years. Smh

[@docrussojr]

I'm 20, Kobe got drafted before I was even born. The Kobe i remember growing up watching is 24.

[@tycason902]

24 was better 8 was criticized about being carried by Shaq even thoe he scored 81 number 24 is when he won 2 titles without an superstar

[@speedkills8939]

Top Bee facts

[@speedkills8939]

But Shaq did carried Kobe even thoe kobe was putting up numbers shaq won all 3 FMVPS

[@bidenhatesblacksandmexican3362]

What in happen 04-05? kobe missed the playoffs in his prime.

[@tycason5249]

John Wall and people have the nerve to say Kobe better Then LeBron Lol Wade didn’t win none of the FMVPS when they teamed up together Bron won all 2

[@RobDaGd1]

Gasol was a Allstar, Kobe ain't getting those 2 rings without Pau

[@takecare3852]

Why SAS rude to my man Max? Lol Max knows his shit and a nice guy

[@jayrilla8790]

George Kenny he knows that max is getting more love than him right now

[@Will38458]

24 Kobe for sure

[@304lilh]

It's equal

[@lordfriezachristresurrecte7657]

Y'all do realize that Kobe is the same person regardless of his jersey # right?

[@yurhomi4478]

True but Kobe was much more athletic as #8, not better though.

[@stevenweech8888]

Even Kobe didn't believe he was the same person after the number change He made the kanye commercial claiming to be a different animal but the same beast

[@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t]

Lord Frieza Christ Resurrected facts lol

[@kay-uw5lt]

Yup.

[@fau2an100]

8=explosive, unstoppable 24=mature, better overall

[@terryjfk8593]

being from La watching kobe growing up was an honor the city vibe in the summer after all them back too backs!!! Legend!!!

[@victorcontreras5703]

When Kobe lost Shaq, he wanted to prove he could win without him. When Lebron lost, he wanted to prove he needed more pieces to win again.

[@304lilh]

Facts

[@krose0902]

Kobe was number 8 when he had the string of 50 point games SAS was wrong about that one.

[@russell9411]

krose0902 9 straight 40 was #8

[@SMFCAWFAN]

Yea guys those scoring seasons were within his number changes. 9 straight 40+ point games was #8 Kobe and the next season he changed to 24 and then he had 4 straight 50+ point games

[@htownboy2301]

WRONG

[@gabsanchez]

Jason Miller first of all it happened on january 22 2006. And second he was wearing 8.

[@krose0902]

LORD KEITH Those 50 point string happened the same year he scored 81 and he was number 8 that year

[@dom3221]

#8 Kobe was the more athletic, was able to put literally anyone on a poster. He was 1B to Shaq's 1A. #24 Kobe was the more wise and graceful Kobe, the Kobe was the more legit footwork. The Kobe who did whatever it took to win without Shaq. The Kobe who I think was more clutch than #8 Kobe.

[@j2x780]

Sixx God6 did whatever it takes to win ? Wtf does thqt even mean so if he had to play for free to win , you think he would of done that?

[@TrunksRage]

Stephen A you consistently change your opinion show by show lol

[@BlackmanandRobin]

Exactly

[@jasonbrenfro]

J.R. 2k Right!!!!

[@globalriskrulez]

Max: "Let's not let Shaq obscure Kobe's greatness." Also Max: "Damn Kobe got fkin carried by Shaq."

[@MegaDukeO]

"The ultimate heist, gettting Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown" I'm dead

[@jaketyler9569]

No. 8 was a Savage but No. 24 was a legend and the closest thing to Jordan

[@lonewolfvideobball]

With 24 Kobe became complete. But damn that number 8 and frobe years, that was crazy interesting!

[@TheToastshowJohnson]

What the deal with S-A-S? He's acting like an A-S-S. Dude has attitude problems, only seen this type of behavior from women... Great job Max keeping your cool. Just one time I want to see and hear Max say to SAS "Who the hell you think you talking to? Acting like a word that rhymes with itch..."

[@EyeLoveTheStars]

lol Calm down dude. Stephen A. i flies off the handle in a joking kind of way. You guys take his loud rants too seriously. This is just entertainment. Him and Max are both professionals and probably friends off First Take. Stephen A CHOSE MAX to as his First Take partner after Skip left. He respects Max's knowledge of the game and entertaining brand of delivery.

[@carboy101]

8/24 both are legends.

[@MrChickinface]

Some people are mad he is getting 2 numbers retired; no one else has done it. But, nobody else has had such a great career with 2 numbers. Jordan didn’t do shit with 45.

[@rajimwakefield7972]

24 was hungry too but he was more Mature💯

[@alexl.4362]

Personally I'd take 8 he could've easily won 2 more championships while Shaq was around and Fisher, Horry etc.. He truly was Like a young lion going after everyone in the league, his talent back then was good enough to keep winning championships had they kept a competitive team after Shaq left.

[@vincente4570]

I disagree because San Antonio was in the way at times. So for #8 to be like that. He at worst should win the chip every other year. But I digress 😊

[@OSV92]

#8 Kobe was more athletic, played with anger, was all about destroying others. #24 Kobe was more poised, relied of angles, footwork, post game, and experience.

[@marcusbrown2905]

Heart goes out to Kobe he's gone but everybody forgets about Tim Duncan who got his rings from Michael Jordan Shaq Kobe LeBron and Barkeley andwith the media as he keeps a low profile and maybe he's living a better life because of that

[@MambaBreezy24]

Both numbers are Hall of Fame worthy. Rest in peace, Kobe. 💜💛

[@changez3336]

Kobe did drop 50+ ten games in a row..if someone did that 3 games ina row in todays nba they would call him the goat lol

[@russell9411]

Gio Salazar nah 9 straight 40, 4 straight 50

[@furko619]

Fly high Vino 💛💜

[@infodrumm]

This drama is for entertainment purposes lol

[@1990758]

infodrumm exactly but we all know why he switch from number 8 to 24 I don't care what he says or anyone else says number 8 is associated with Colorado 2004 but of course he's going to say that was his high school jersey number

[@enargy5890]

For me 24 was when he was the best player in the planet. But whatever, it's both Kobe, the MJ in my generation and will be my childhood hero forever.

[@pierreferrand8873]

Are y'all kidding me??? Kobe is Kobe no matter what number you throw on his back just like MJ when he wore number 45

[@mrslick58]

Pierre Ferrand lol not the same thing

[@pierreferrand8873]

Pure Luminous come on bro that's like saying which MJ was better...before retiring or returning from retirement returning to the Bulls? He never changed he remained the same....FACT

[@JackkChaos]

Pierre Ferrand well mj also wore 45 for like 7% if his career and kobe wore two different numbers for each half.... lol

[@Datgirl0922]

Pierre Ferrand not the same. 45 Michael was not the same 23 Michael lol.

[@JeetMamba]

24, overall leader and polished

[@j-stilt9746]

Stephen A. Should really tone it down sometimes js

[@vinnynoxy]

J-Stilt 9 i totally agree. Too loud and obnoxious at times.

[@OUrNit03]

Watching this rerun reminds me of how annoying Stephen A was when it came to nitpicking Max. This wasn't even a debatable topic yet he turned it into a debate 🤦🏾‍♂️ Sure Max is glad he's no longer there.

[@icyboymafia21]

24 was the best kobe

[@blonded100]

Kobe with the fro was just dripping in Swagu sauce. One of the greatest moments for the culture.

[@changez3336]

Lets not forget they had a choice to keep shaq or kobe and guess who stayed and who got kicked to 5 difrrent teams after lol

[@qceaz11]

2005-06 #8 Kobe was GODLY! But is was just the beginning of what was to come with #24 this dude showed he was a leader

[@Hamzz25]

Which Jordan is better ? 23 or 45 😂😂😂

[@NANI99999-o]

AH25 Or 12

[@awh6148]

8 = Showtime 💛 24 = Mamba Mentality 💜

[@alihassanmirza5768]

KOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@poppamidnite]

8 was the better player. Especially on the defensive end. I do love the old wise #24. But #8 Kobe was simply special.

[@wariocheats9701]

This is an argument?

[@conormctapoutaka0-1aka0tit5]

Giannis Wallace a debate

[@robertbrent2345]

Kobe 08-10 wearing number 24 was the best basketball player i have ever witnessed

[@RacerNight86]

Black Mamba>LeOverrated

[@LAking-hg5yc]

Angel Five both legends rather you think LeBron is overrated or not he will get the same praise as Kobe when he retires

[@JamesSmith-lh4th]

LeBron is the greatest of all time

[@deshawnallen1153]

James Smith Nah Jordan Goat But LeBron better then Kobe

[@NewEraaG]

I agree with max, i also go with the more athletic attacking one for every player, bc they are more unstoppable, which makes them better than when they are a little more allround

[@rebelsoundz]

Kobe is a way better basketball player than lebron

[@RacerNight86]

rebelsoundz Facts💯

[@ChateTheGreat]

never

[@mohammedalam9402]

stay off the WEEEEEEEED 😂😂😂

[@TheKiid810]

I see no lies

[@bambiwilliams7834]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I ask you why you'll say 5 rings?well 11 beats 5 enough said!!stats and metrics favour lbj now go compare their stats and come amend your myopic response!!

[@teazy7468]

Not many players can boast, being a HOF in two different jerseys. Very unique honor to have both numbers retired. I personally, like no. 8 Kobe, Frobe!

[@2pac380]

Kobe 8 was a killer Kobe 24 was a ex con

[@treyvonjackson9293]

free meek mill 😂😂😂😂😭

[@rpaulkb248atwal9]

U couldn't have put it any better W

[@tkkirkland3971]

Max is smoking Kobe 8 was nice but the black mamba was on Jordan's level.

[@mss3346]

Kobe 8 3 rings-lebron 3 rings

[@j.main2380]

Milos Stanivukovic lebron #6-2 title loses #23-3 title loses

[@TheJunekid111]

How many finals MVP did Kobe 8 have?

[@dubnation6605]

R A he never got robed. And the one he won cp3 should have got lmao.

[@redscorpion9325]

I pick 8 because 24 Kobe was nice for a short period of time but had to many injuries and People lost faith and said he was not even Top 5 of All Time and many lost respect for him

[@christianmensah2940]

24

[@migsv5803]

Imagine #24 in #8's body and athleticism.

[@darrelljones3965]

Frobe #8

[@russell9411]

#8 9 straight 40 point games, #24 Kobe 4 straight 50

[@ShivamKumar-kc8bf]

Only arguments for kobe > lbj 5 rings 81 points Arguments for lbj MVPs Fmvps Better stats More points rebounds assists Better field goal percentage Better three point percentage Always best player on his squad More finals appearances Best player in the world for almost 10 years vs kobe 3 years (05-08)

[@MegaTank40]

Shivam Kumar Wrong, Kobe has more All-defensive appearances, more career points, more All-Star aplearances, better footwork, better midrange shooting, better post game, more clutch, won with less (2 championships with Pau Gasol), much better off-ball game and played tougher competition in the playoffs. Also was the best player in the league from 03-10. Just because LeBron won back-to-back MVPs doesn't make him the better player. If that were the case then Steph>Lebron

[@yosoymejor6388]

Don’t let them stats fool you

[@yosoymejor6388]

Use the eye test kobe didn’t need to grab rebounds or get a lot of assists and he still has a better finals record than Bron

[@yosoymejor6388]

Not to mention he didn’t start with the same minutes as Bron or wasn’t the option like Bron was lol and he’s been injured so again don’t let those numbers fool you

[@mariobrown8497]

MegaTank40 2010 NBA Finals Game 7 Kobe 6-24 FG and 0-6 3pt for 23 Points vs Celtics 2013 NBA Finals Game 7 LeBron 12-23 FG and 5-10 3pt for 37 Points vs Spurs LeBron vs Kobe PPG: LeBron APG: LeBron RPG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe PER: LeBron W/S: LeBron O/Rating: LeBron D/Rating: LeBron Mvps: LeBron FMvps: LeBron Rings: Kobe LeBron is better All Around Basketball player then Kobe Seasons avg 25 PPG LeBron 13 > Kobe 12 Seasons avg +25 PPG on +50% FG LeBron 7 > Kobe 0 Seasons Shooting +40% 3pt LeBron 1 > Kobe 0 Regular Season Triple Doubles LeBron 59 > Kobe 21 NBA Finals Career Triple Doubles LeBron 9 > Kobe 0 Playoffs Games Total Stats Kobe 220 LeBron 217 Total Points LeBron 6,163 (1st All Time) Kobe 5,640 Total Rebounds LeBron 1,922 Kobe 1,119 Total Assists LeBron 1,489 Kobe 1,040 Total Steals LeBron 389 Kobe 310 Total Blocks LeBron 209 Kobe 144 Total 3point Shots Made LeBron 331 Kobe 292 Postseason Game Winning Buzzer Beaters LeBron 3 Kobe 1 Finals 40 Point Games LeBron 6 vs west Kobe 1 vs east LeBron better All Around Basketball player in Postseason then Kobe Kobe ranks 8-10 all time player LeBron top 2 or 3 all time player

[@runitup8627]

Lol. These two made some great points. It's funny seeing them go at it 😂

[@undefeatedpacifist8389]

24 >8 > Lebrick ✊🏾

[@MikeTheHypeBeast]

he aint lebrick anymore bitch ass nigga

[@lbjfan2323]

You got the nerve to call someone a brick.When kobrick never shot over 50% in his career and miss the most shots

[@stonecold316339]

Undefeated pacifist: Funny you call him LeBrick when LeBron scores more on fewer shot attempts lol

[@jonathanlopez3979]

+Michael Jokedan Not My Goat bro lebron scores most of his points in the paint of course he would be over 50%

[@yasirxxiii]

Jonathan lopez stop LeBron is way more efficient than Kobe

[@jujurawks]

Magic inherited Kareem but his rings are never dismissed. lol

[@eldio2124]

I fuck with Kobe, but let’s not act like Shaq didn’t carry him, until they broke up

[@trvspvrk]

nobody carried anybody

[@KingDerris_]

How did he get 2 more then?

[@theganmor7935]

Can shaq win those 3 rings without kobe ?

[@adamleon9128]

Shaq with kobe: 3-1 Shaq without kobe 1-1 Kobe= 5/7 finals Shaq= 4/6 finals Kobe needed Shaq as much as Shaq needed Kobe

[@brashadcarr6759]

Steve Gerrard Kobe should've won at least one of those fmvp he locked down the other teams best player while shaq just happen to have a mismatch

[@ramjb]

Depends if wether in the definition of "player" we include the definition of "leader", or not. Nº8 was all about him and himself, as much as was about winning. It's even aknowledged by Kobe himself that his biggest mistake of that time was that he just wouldn't listen. And the final proof that he was all about him, as much as winning is that when the notion that he couldn't win without Shaq began spreading, he was done with it and he was ready to leave the Lakers if Shaq didn't leave first. In his own words "that was it". So he was giving up winning in the short term just to prove he could win on his own. Number 8 was all about himself. Number 24 probably would've curved that ball and kept playing with Shaq just to win a couple rings more. But Number 8 simply couldn't even think twice about it. The player was an utter monster, an one man army at times. Relentless and unstoppable as a player, but a....problematic roster member to say the least. And he was no leader. at all. Nº24 was all about leadership. He embraced the concept and role like no other player ever has after coming from the player he used to be. Of course it was leadership of Kobe's way: "My way or the highway". He tried a relaxed kind of leadership first, tried to step back and let people sort things out by themselves by being assertive with them. Then the Celtics and 08 happened, and from then it was game on. He would lead by example and expected the rest to do the same, anyone not meeting his standards would not get a pat in the back nor encouragement, he'd would get an exemplary legendary grilling. Mind you, it worked. they won in 09, but for me the reason by #24 is what defines Kobe and his legacy is that the '08 lakers would've melted against the '10 Celtics, far worse than they actually did in '08. 2010 Celtics IMO was a much stronger side than 08's, yet more or less the same Lakers that had melted in 08 this time they endured a 7 game grind, and won one of the ugliest (yet most emotional and hard fought) game 7s in decades. It was nothing short of a war, a war they fought until the last breath. They. The lot. Not just Kobe. He was on top, but this time the whole team was behind him with the same spirit he had. And that was because Kobe was the leader who inspired the rest to be the same, and that was what won the 2010 ring for them. That's Kobe for me. And that's #24. #8 was a hell of a player, don't get me wrong,but if you ask me whom I want for my team, wether the roster disrupting, yet spectacular, phisically unstoppable force of nature #8 was, or the less phisically adept, yet much more savvy, and the great leader he became playing with #24, for me is hands down #24. No questions asked.

[@Utahtruckguy]

I never liked Kobe, he's good tho

[@Myrocke24]

I do respect the fact that the #24 Kobe won 2 rings with major injuries to his shooting finger and his knee etc that's the kinda stuff seperates legends from superstars

[@abels6985]

This drongo Max always talking about Muhammad Ali..

[@harrisonwells93rd82]

He made me love the number 24 which is why I always use it but that afro and#8 on his jersey he was crazy

[@lbjfan2323]

LeBron better than both number 8 and 24 kobrick

[@theganmor7935]

Michael Jokedan Not My Goat shut up u hater

[@rgb8289]

KoBrick is a terrible ripoff of Lebrick.

[@profot3]

+Nolay Austin Robinson was 2-0

[@stevenbrown1762]

I grew uo more on 24 kobe but i seen parts of number 8 growing up. I agree with steven a smith. Sure number 8 was more athletic but he always had to share the spotlight. Number 24 was athletic just not like number 8 and he became a leader and went to the finals 3 times without shaq and won 2 of them. Number 8 kobe didnt have the mentality to lead the team like 24. People talk about what he shoots from the field well lets see why. Since shaq left kibe has always been the only threat on the lakers who would scourch a team. He had gasol later on but gasol wasnt the type of player who got doubled or trippled teamed while playing that was kobe. Kobe was the best player and scorer for his team so his shots wont always be the best because his team was more role players then actual stars. While playing a position that was loaded with talent who could do almost what he could do. And still rose above them. No one cares what u shoot form the field when u win. All they see is that u won. And number 24 was all about that

[@russellwestbrook8747]

It dont matter cuz both Kobes arent even better than Lebron.

[@GEEZYEA777]

Hahahaha. People rlly still think Kobe is better

[@lbjfan2323]

W

[@ojezzus5772]

Alex Cantu it’s already been establish, that Kobe isn’t better than lebron. But damn y’all stay hating

[@MrGenexxx]

lonzo >>>>>> westbrick

[@theganmor7935]

Lebron win 2 lucky rings thank to ray allen and refs in 2016

[@kirkdavis8964]

Me personally I thought #24 was more polish and mature player than #8. 2007-2010 this was prime Kobe had that unstoppable post mid range fadeaway shot.

[@stonecold316339]

LeBron > Kobe

[@theganmor7935]

3-5

[@stonecold316339]

Speedy Morgan: So you think Pippen is better than Kobe? 6-0 beats 5-2 just saying

[@theganmor7935]

Kobe is 5-2 leading the team and lebron is 3-5 leading the team who leads his team to a better finals record ?

[@theganmor7935]

Pippen isnt leading the bulls

[@stonecold316339]

Speedy Morgan: Kobe only lead LA to two titles wtf are you talking about?! Anyone with a brain knows Shaq lead LA to 3

[@ferrad1]

I just love to see these guys debate !!!!

[@effersfrenzdeona3723]

Duncan > Kobe

[@theshieldhero7062]

Duncan does not handle the ball.. Cannot be compared in terms of skills

[@educated549]

kesh Awootar Big Fundamental was just as skilled

[@YungSpaceship]

L

[@adamleon9128]

Duncan was a role player that averaged the same stats as Carlos boozer between 07-2013 Kobe also owns Duncan in the playoffs Kobe > Duncan

[@caesaraugustus2600]

Verbal Assassinator so Duncan could do a fadeaway 3 pointer? Fadeaway being double teamed? Shoot a 3 that's off the dribble? No

[@arnarnie6844]

When you're compared to yourself, you know you were a beast.

[@DarkKnight-zu6he]

Talking like number 8 & 24 not the same guy. Kobe is simply incredible.

[@bdr113080]

I mean, yeah, number 8 was more athletic and there was a lot of things done to while the crowd but I think number 24 was the better all-around player. By that time he had the wisdom and knowledge to match his talent finally. Number 24 realize what Michael figured out a lot earlier in his career that you need to trust people.

[@chosen7934]

Every real basketball fan knows 24 was more of a complete and better player

[@peterjeong3672]

if you watch MJ's highlights from the 80's. He was a savage. I wish they had better tape technology and cameras... he was a man amongst boys.

[@goat_filipino7020]

Man this honestly is a hard one for me Yes #8 was a monster an athletic freak who won 3 rings along side Shaq but I may actually choose #24 because of the black mamba mentality who always struck fear to those guarding him and then just eating them up for breakfast 💯 either or both are just legendary

[@justreg5]

Im just noticing that you can see people in the office walking around in the background.. Has this always been in this show and i just never paid attention