Las Vegas man has 2nd-ever authenticated picture of Billy the Kid

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@nathanadrian7797
@nathanadrian7797 Жыл бұрын
The one of Billy in cowboy garb is flipped! The rifle is a Winchester, which has the loading gate on the right side, but the Winchester in Billy's hand has the loading gate on the left side which means the picture has been flipped, it is a mirror image and not a picture. Matching other pictures only works if they are also flipped.
@scottarivett496
@scottarivett496 6 ай бұрын
If the other photo is a tin type it’s reversed as well. Any camera original tin type is a reverse lateral image, same thing as a mirror image. The photographic process caused this in tin types. Billy was indeed wrongly accessed as left handed because of the reversed image. Kind of amazing that it went unnoticed for so many years in one of the most famous and widely viewed photos in history.
@nathanadrian7797
@nathanadrian7797 6 ай бұрын
@@scottarivett496 If you are correct, then why are all the other old photographs correct, ie loading gates on the correct side, peace makers not backward?
@markosterman419
@markosterman419 6 ай бұрын
Not all antique photographs are tintypes. If it’s a paper photograph it was made with a negative and corrected when printing … just like all negative / positive processes.
@Last_Chance.
@Last_Chance. 5 ай бұрын
Obviously
@eddieavakian
@eddieavakian 2 жыл бұрын
If it’s the same photographer it would explain why the poses are similar but these two guys don’t look much alike.
@jamesconnors4297
@jamesconnors4297 11 ай бұрын
don't think this is the kid.the hands look too large to slip hand cuffs over
@yeyosilver7067
@yeyosilver7067 7 ай бұрын
They LOOK much alike
@cincyfanjunglecity9871
@cincyfanjunglecity9871 7 ай бұрын
@@jamesconnors4297well sorry to say , but it’s not much what you say it is or it’s not. The professionals seem to say it is , and they have the tools to prove it.
@cockedandlocked9765
@cockedandlocked9765 6 ай бұрын
Your word or her expert opinion? Hmmm
@Skinnyfish09
@Skinnyfish09 5 ай бұрын
@@cincyfanjunglecity9871One “professional “ said she believes it’s him but that doesn’t mean it is. She also said they have matching teeth but the new photo isn’t showing any teeth! They are similar but look closer and there are more differences that need addressing such as his ears are different in every way visible, his shape face is different, his eyebrows are almost non existent in the new photo. His eyes are not a full match. The ring they suggest is the same is clearly a different style of ring. The photo of Billy has a charisma the new photo has none. It could be him but it’s really unlikely and it needs a lot of different professionals to all agree before it can be agreed upon, not just one.
@justsaying3594
@justsaying3594 4 жыл бұрын
I hope this woman isn't testifying in court cases. These two pictures look nothing alike.
@johnwright291
@johnwright291 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree.
@worldpeace4231
@worldpeace4231 2 жыл бұрын
uhh..yea they do
@new_kingdom8679
@new_kingdom8679 2 жыл бұрын
Billy did Not look sober in the original photo.
@rosemoreno2817
@rosemoreno2817 Жыл бұрын
FR that's what I said it doesn't take an expert to see they look nothing alike!!!😂🤦‍♂️
@lassesuurmunne8340
@lassesuurmunne8340 Жыл бұрын
@@worldpeace4231the ears are a different shape
@Road_Rash
@Road_Rash 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a portrait artist for nearly 30 years & have looked at tons of bad photos to try to get a decent likeness of people, this doesn't make me a forensics expert in any way, I've just had a bit of experience looking at bad photography, I also understand that people can look slightly different in photos depending on several factors, lighting, pose, length of time between photos, etc...that being said, I'm not seeing much resemblance between the two people in these photos at all other than the pose...I think the examiner, while no doubt having extensive experience in her field, was just ready to believe this photo was of the same person & let her imagination take over...I don't think this is the same person...interesting old photo, but doesn't match in my opinion...
@sugarnads
@sugarnads 3 жыл бұрын
The pose is the same coz most tintype poses are like that. Basically a rod up the back. You can see the feet of the post behind both subjects feet. It kept them still during the long exposure time needed for tintype.
@andysteele5707
@andysteele5707 2 жыл бұрын
As a photographer and professional studio portrait photographer for years, i have to say you pose your subject. The pose is most likely going to be photographers choice not billys or whoever that is. If it is billy and as it says the same photographer then that makes sense for the similar pose.
@rosemoreno2817
@rosemoreno2817 Жыл бұрын
Yea their features look nothing alike I think you said it right she just let her imagination take over!!
@t.b.8837
@t.b.8837 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what's sillier. The video, or the staggering number of photograph analysis experts in the comments.
@cjlloyd53
@cjlloyd53 8 жыл бұрын
The mouth is closed in the second pic so how can you match the dentition? The jaw line, eyes, brows and ear lobes are also different. Not convinced at all.
@timjordan6551
@timjordan6551 5 жыл бұрын
I was thing the same thing.
@12dbuck1
@12dbuck1 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent point. The teeth on the DeAragon image are not visible. The so called "forensic heavyweight" Louis Gibson is blowing smoke. Also, not that it matters but the DeAragon youth looks nothing like Billy the Kid.
@justintruckell6506
@justintruckell6506 5 жыл бұрын
how many wear a ring on their pinkie though?
@antoniograncino3506
@antoniograncino3506 5 жыл бұрын
Agree on all points. Let us not forget also that the photo with guns is a reversed image, giving rise to the myth that the Kid was left-handed. Look at the bullet port on the Winchester rifle: in the photo the port is on the left [ as you hold it for shooting] side of the breech. Winchester never made the rifle in that configuration; the port was always on the right side.
@tomfuller4205
@tomfuller4205 4 жыл бұрын
@@antoniograncino3506 Wrong, Winchester did make a few left handed 1871s to special order, so if this is a left handed 1871 the question is how did Billy get it?
@laurashropshire57
@laurashropshire57 2 жыл бұрын
It's all in the eyebrows. Billy had has some dark and really rocking eyebrows that stand out even on the little tin type. If you can't see the eyebrows, it's probably not him.
@gmccord1970
@gmccord1970 6 жыл бұрын
Not the kid and I can prove it. The photograph on the right of the authenticated Billy the Kid tintype shows him holding the Winchester rifle in his right hand and his Colt thunderer pistol on his left hip but this is not true because the tintype was reversed which means that Billy is holding the rifle in his left hand which means that he was right handed. Therefore this means that the gamblers ring that Billy wore was technically on his left hand. If you look at the photograph at the on the left you'll see that the gamblers ring is worn on the right hand. Now one could make the claim that the photograph on the left could be a reverse tintype therefore claiming that the gamblers ring was worn on the left hand but then the buttons on the coat would be on the left side as well and male coats simply don't have buttons on the left side they have buttons on the right.
@evocati6523
@evocati6523 4 жыл бұрын
You don't have to hold a rifle in a specific hand just for a picture, that's ridiculous. We'll trust the world famous forensic analyst, but thanks
@evanbach471
@evanbach471 3 жыл бұрын
Dude it's a tin type as well brother
@marthawoodworth4380
@marthawoodworth4380 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, a famous fact about Billy is that he was ambidextrous. That's one of the reasons he was such a great gunslinger. He could shoot with both hands.
@tamasmarcuis4455
@tamasmarcuis4455 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. But he was also meant to be ambidextrous. Such people have a habit over time of being predominantly left handed then right handed. Switching wrist watches and rings accordingly. The condition is a birth defect that also affects the body. The body grows off centre causing the person to lean. The face is often slanted in youth with the nose tilting to one side. There are in extreme cases mental problems and extreme behaviours. But but it can also as the person matures lead to everything kind of levelling out. With the person's face becoming more symmetrical with age. Also settling to use one hand predominantly. The habit of a strange stance remains with an arched spine and dropping arms. If the new picture is Bonny then the photographer has used poising stands to partly correct his stance. You can see the base of the stand right behind the left foot. There is no indication that the know picture was taken with a stand and so shows Bonny's natural stance.
@THExUNFLUSHABLE
@THExUNFLUSHABLE 3 жыл бұрын
Its a reverse tin type aswell you complete tit
@lassesuurmunne8340
@lassesuurmunne8340 3 жыл бұрын
These are interesting. There are some similarities but the ears are very different and the real Billy’s boots are smaller in size and Billy’s hands look smaller. Cool photo, I love this stuff, and I’m no expert but I don’t personally believe it’s Bonney. Especially looking at the ears, they look a lot different.
@marthawoodworth4380
@marthawoodworth4380 3 жыл бұрын
The only things that make it possible are that the ring is on the same finger and the teeth are slightly protruding. The problem for me is that Billy was always skinny and did not wear rumpled, mature clothing. This person is a little "dumpy." Billy was a slender, wiry reed of a kid, with an attitude.
@untejano1231
@untejano1231 Жыл бұрын
The pinky ring is not on the same hand because Billy’s photo was discovered that the negative was reversed, unless they’re both reversed?
@elchoya100
@elchoya100 7 жыл бұрын
damn,billy must have been the only teenager in the west to have his own personal photographer.he is everywhere posing like movie star.
@Thekandithompson
@Thekandithompson 6 жыл бұрын
elchoya100 😂😂
@savagesooner4891
@savagesooner4891 5 жыл бұрын
Dude was 21 at time of death... still a “kid” nonetheless
@amanzidinkles1037
@amanzidinkles1037 5 жыл бұрын
@@savagesooner4891 Middle-aged for the 1800s.
@aarontaylor1484
@aarontaylor1484 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sure he had money he was a rustler and held up a few folks I'm sure. Not saying he was evil but his line of work did bring funds
@bradmeeds1226
@bradmeeds1226 5 жыл бұрын
@@savagesooner4891 alot of these photos he would've been in his teens
@barageom
@barageom 7 жыл бұрын
I don't see any resemblance at all. Billy the Kid has a look about him that is unique. In the recently authenticated croquet photo, I immediately knew that was Billy the Kid.
@R.E.M.954
@R.E.M.954 5 жыл бұрын
Not immediately for me but very quickly became convinced.
@bradgaines
@bradgaines 4 жыл бұрын
You can barely make out his face in that pic.
@xelations6002
@xelations6002 3 жыл бұрын
It's not authenticated
@adam100a8
@adam100a8 3 жыл бұрын
The croquet one is not authenticated
@BlackbirdSpecOps
@BlackbirdSpecOps 3 жыл бұрын
Both this one and the croquet are not authenticated. These folks shop around and pay others to give their photo importance but they’ve all been proven false so far. Only one photo that is proven.
@CuttingEdgetools
@CuttingEdgetools 2 жыл бұрын
Close resemblance but nope. Ridiculous the they’re saying the forensic expert says all features match even the teeth ???--The Subject in the supposed photo has his mouth closed- can’t see the teeth!!!!!
@walterdorsey8935
@walterdorsey8935 3 жыл бұрын
I think it has already been established that Billy the kid was in fact right handed. The photo of him posing with the rifle is reversed, therefore the ring on the finger would be on the opposite hand and If the photos were compared as shown nothing would line up.
@Outlaw-Josey-Wales
@Outlaw-Josey-Wales 3 жыл бұрын
The guy says he's going to keep it cuz it's an heirloom then his dumb grandkid grabs it sells it to a pawn shop for 50 bucks these things go
@johnmcmahon8513
@johnmcmahon8513 4 ай бұрын
Thats JUST her opinion. She has been offering her opinion as a positive match to some shaky photographs! Caution is advised with her Expertise!
@theBike45
@theBike45 7 жыл бұрын
No evidence that the same photographer took both photos. Rather silly claims being made about two people who don't look anything alike. No evidence.
@katieanderson7871
@katieanderson7871 4 жыл бұрын
Billy the Kid was like the guy with a hundred different faces. He was amazing! I would never have recognized him. 04/20/20
@SharpEdgeStandardOfficial
@SharpEdgeStandardOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Everyone always looks at the wrong and most obvious thing; the face! Look at the relaxed posture of his HANDS! His left thumb has a different "v" angle between the knuckle and tip. This never changes and seen clearly at 1:46. This other fella is NOT the Kid!
@KurtOnoIR
@KurtOnoIR 6 жыл бұрын
I think that's not him but there is another picture of him tho where he is playing croket with Sally chisim and some of the other regulators.
@R.E.M.954
@R.E.M.954 5 жыл бұрын
That croquet picture was appraised at 5million dollars.That's pretty authenticated to me.I'm convinced.
@12dbuck1
@12dbuck1 5 жыл бұрын
@@R.E.M.954 Most Billy savants dispute the idea that the croquet kid is Billy. Also, the purported New Mexico location of the tintype has since been debunked. Not surprisingly, the image never sold.
@gene6597
@gene6597 3 жыл бұрын
Oh goodness, the eyebrows are always a give away. Not the same person.
@nick-un9pk
@nick-un9pk 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. Eyebrows never change.
@BlackbirdSpecOps
@BlackbirdSpecOps 3 жыл бұрын
@Victor Bastos no, he didn’t have Chinese cut eyes. When his photo was taken, it was outside in front of the bar and it was windy. He was squinting his eyes. Look at the right lapel on his vest and his wild rag. The lapel is turned up and the wild rag is blurry from movement.
@Carlitosway2369
@Carlitosway2369 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlackbirdSpecOps They’re talking about the eyebrows not eyes. Eyebrow and eyes and two completely separate things
@bobshelton9049
@bobshelton9049 2 жыл бұрын
@@nick-un9pk yes they can.
@vullerseris5372
@vullerseris5372 Ай бұрын
Well Billy looks really drunk in the picture where he went wild and looks like a Cowboy..... And it's a great possibility.
@au131951
@au131951 4 жыл бұрын
It was known back in the 1960s (some WHBonney eyewitnesses were still alive back then and a lot of his history has been lost;) that Billy enjoyed having his photo taken. There are quite a few floating around out there and likely more handed-down treasures still to be discovered. It's really fun to see them surface. However, in this case, I disagree that the teeth are the same. Billy's front teeth protruded enough that he couldn't close his mouth without either the lip sticking out noticably or part of the front tooth showing. That isn't definitive in this photo. Even though his ears do stick out, his right ear is not the same shape. But there is a family resemblance. I think it's very possible that this is Joe. His hair was darker than Billy's. His gaze is often one of resignation. I've seen it before in photos up for authentication. If somebody comes across photos with similarities to Billy but different enough that "experts" deny verification, bear in mind that it could be Joe. He was a bit ore even featured. More subdued countenance.
@rbkknight7406
@rbkknight7406 2 жыл бұрын
Not Billy but def could be Joseph
@SuperSedingAngeL-yr0
@SuperSedingAngeL-yr0 2 жыл бұрын
" Hey, Joe."
@MrBoryder
@MrBoryder Жыл бұрын
"It was known back in the 1960s (some WHBonney eyewitnesses were still alive back then and a lot of his history has been lost;) that Billy enjoyed having his photo taken. There are quite a few floating around out there and likely more handed-down treasures still to be discovered. It's really fun to see them surface." Oh, really? I've never seen such a quote; please enlighten me as to which of his surviving friends you are referring to and provide the actual quote{s}. If the Kid liked to have his photo taken so much, it's a shame that we only have a single tintype today: the only authenticated image of BTK. Sorry, but the photo this video is about has NOT been authenticated---despite what this video's title (click-bait) proclaims. Pure garbage.
@johnwayne3331
@johnwayne3331 7 жыл бұрын
they did look very alike could have been the kid just before the Lincoln co war started John Tunstall probley bout him the suit to smarting him up if he wasn't doing ranch work maybe he was working in the store and his mouth is closed but u can see the fela is also buck toothed the guy who said about his clothes date from 1880s to 1890s is he sure I no billy was killed in 1881 it could be if so it will be the 3rd photo of the kid they said the one were he playing croket wasn't him to but it got authenticated exciting times
@jakkfamily61
@jakkfamily61 3 жыл бұрын
Are we lookin at the same thing here? They look nothing alike. I think LL Cool J and Michelle Obama have a stronger resemblance.
@attilathehun0
@attilathehun0 4 жыл бұрын
One picture you can see the teeth and one you can't, but for some reason the have the same teeth without seeing it in both pictures.
@brendanmcdonnell7483
@brendanmcdonnell7483 Жыл бұрын
It seems any picture of any kid from 1800s is Billy bonnie.
@SeanMeds
@SeanMeds 7 жыл бұрын
doesnt even look-a-like
@sniper10666
@sniper10666 3 жыл бұрын
If your a fugitive you wouldn’t want your picture plastered all over New Mexico would you. Hence why it’s so hard to find a picture of billy the kid,and who’s to say that the tin lid picture is actually billy the kid
@fugeeohu9357
@fugeeohu9357 2 жыл бұрын
They don't even say whether it's a tintype or a cabinet card
@michelleaguirre6382
@michelleaguirre6382 5 жыл бұрын
Theres actually 2 REAL pictures of billy in existence with provenance now. The famous one and the now the one of him playing cards with richard brewer, fred Waite, and Henry Newton Brown
@williejohnkristofferson2898
@williejohnkristofferson2898 3 жыл бұрын
I've never seen the picture of him playing cards. Where do I find that? Thanks for your time.
@filipd2910
@filipd2910 3 жыл бұрын
@@williejohnkristofferson2898 search ”Billy the kid playing cards” on the internet and you Will find it
@BlackbirdSpecOps
@BlackbirdSpecOps 3 жыл бұрын
The card playing photo has no provenance so it isn’t authenticated. Just speculation.
@TheSpaghetti64
@TheSpaghetti64 3 жыл бұрын
His teeth aren't even showing in the photo of the guy in a suit, he weighs a good 30 pounds more and the eye brows are not the same. NOPE!
@ScoopDogg
@ScoopDogg 5 жыл бұрын
"The dentition really locks it in for me" is mouth is closed ROFL FBI's finest
@evocati6523
@evocati6523 4 жыл бұрын
you can tell it pushes his lip out in both
@pendragonU
@pendragonU 2 жыл бұрын
under the magnifying glass she can see the very tip of the upper bite under the lip I believe people should concentrate however in the ear fingerprint that remains pretty much same throughout life, regardless size growth.
@jamespelkey8150
@jamespelkey8150 4 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable!! Every picture is the kid. Does anyone have any integrity, money is the only reason every picture is the kid. And she sacrificed her integrity for money. This picture is NOT THE KID, not in any shape or form
@unhombrelobo
@unhombrelobo 2 жыл бұрын
okay, James Pelkey says it isn't him...so everyone pack their shit, go home, it's not him......
@KINGSLEY-TV
@KINGSLEY-TV Жыл бұрын
How can this be? This isn’t Billy in fact it’s a post Morton photo of someone else, you can even see the base of the stand by his feet that they would use in post-mortem photos where a steel rod would be attached to the base this would help in keeping the body in an upright position also pay attention to the positioning of his and Billy’s feet as their feet are pointing outwards which would also help in stabilising the body you’ll see this in other post-mortem photos from the 1800’s. Not to forget the rigger-mortise obviously would have set in making the body stiff which is something else that would help in stabilising the body, even the famous photo of Billy standing with his rifle is a post-mortem photo of Billy’s body after Garrett killed him, you can see part of base by his left foot also look at Billy’s lifeless face and his missing trigger finger that would have been cut off from the middle knuckle of his trigger finger and placed in a jar with preserving fluid it’s then sold for a lot of money and this would only happen to outlaws that were well known outlaws like Billy also they have obviously positioned Billy’s finger to hide that it’s been cut off.
@bradhurd6097
@bradhurd6097 Жыл бұрын
This makes sense to me but people are saying the photo is reversed. This would then make Billy left handed while people are arguing that he was right handed.
@lassesuurmunne8340
@lassesuurmunne8340 Жыл бұрын
I read that’s a myth that you can’t pose a corpse in rigor mortis and the pose stand can’t support a person’s body weight. The stands were only used to help the person stand still in order to get a good photo during the long shutter exposures that could last over a minute. Post mortem photos weren’t taken of a body standing up like that. But I agree that I don’t believe these are the same people. The ears are a completely different shape.
@KINGSLEY-TV
@KINGSLEY-TV Жыл бұрын
I think they did use the stand to help keep a live person still but they were mainly used in post-mortem photos this is why their feet point outwards @@lassesuurmunne8340
@bradhurd6097
@bradhurd6097 Жыл бұрын
I also have to say that in all of my years being interested in the 1800's American West I've never heard of a gunfighter getting their trigger finger cut off. The closest I've read about is Jack Slade who supposedly cut off Jules ear and kept it as a trophy. It doesn't mean it didn't happen but I'd like to see more evidence of it. Anyone?
@nothing-but-milk
@nothing-but-milk 5 жыл бұрын
Literally the 5th video I've seen of some random guy with a new billy the kid picture these things are popping up all over.
@marthawoodworth4380
@marthawoodworth4380 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the amazing thing about Billy is that he keeps on livin'! He never "grows old" in the public's mind and he always makes a come-back. In fact, he's the Comeback Kid!
@rodschermerhorn6996
@rodschermerhorn6996 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@shawnirwin6633
@shawnirwin6633 3 жыл бұрын
As an artist, nope, not at all, the eyes and ears are different, easily.
@tomcata1467
@tomcata1467 5 жыл бұрын
Video didn't state if the complete provenance was authenticated concerning the origin of this photo which is needed to prove it's authenticity.
@busterbuster8193
@busterbuster8193 2 жыл бұрын
She says same teeth - yet the photo in question does not show teeth. Ridiculous ....
@wallaceraymon6316
@wallaceraymon6316 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry folks but you arebeing misledby this production. There is still only one authentic photo of Billy. There are others that are implying but not authentic. Looking at the photo of the latest revelation is simply not Billy. I had a hell of a time getting my Albumen Print of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest authenticated due to the age of it. the print was taken in 1852 when he was younger and was compared to others taken later. Finally it was identified by the marking of the photographer on the back of the print who took the photo. I dont know if this can be done in with the new photo of Billy. Probably not. It schould be looked at closer though.
@kurtp8833
@kurtp8833 4 жыл бұрын
...and your spelling, spacing, punctuation and grammar should be looked at closer.
@RJGould
@RJGould 7 жыл бұрын
Why I could never trust 'eye-witness' testimony.. People are ridiculous!
@sotony7483
@sotony7483 Жыл бұрын
Yep, Billy the Kid sometimes went around disguised as a Mexican of completely different appearance from himself.
@bradgaines
@bradgaines 4 жыл бұрын
Of all the "pics" I've seen of The Kid, this one looks the most compelling. He looks about 14-15 here. Same chin, ears, crooked eyes, ring on finger, slanted shoulders and wide mid-section. If you look at the full pic you'll see even his feet are positioned the same. People forget the authenticated pic is distorted. Of course comparing the dentition is a reach. The only thing I can figure she is talking about is Billy had 2 protruding front teeth and the picture in question looks like his upper lip is pushed out a bit. But would I go all-in on it without prominence? Nope. I am about 65% convinced it's him.
@eugeniotapia6765
@eugeniotapia6765 3 жыл бұрын
Different eyes lady, namely the eyelids !
@andygossard4293
@andygossard4293 3 жыл бұрын
The croquet photo looks pretty close from a distant shot. This doesn't, from a close- in shot.
@TheNotoriousSAJ75
@TheNotoriousSAJ75 2 жыл бұрын
Billy was always wild!
@truman5838
@truman5838 6 жыл бұрын
There's 2 or 3 pics of Billy now.
@Out-Cast75
@Out-Cast75 5 жыл бұрын
There's only 2 pictures and the 2nd one is of Billy with Charlie on his wedding day playing Croke on Tunsteels property.
@christbennion632
@christbennion632 4 жыл бұрын
TRU MAN there’s another clear match, but no provenance
@luckylokomotiongarcias6152
@luckylokomotiongarcias6152 2 жыл бұрын
Billy the kid legend lives on
@Jammin6796
@Jammin6796 2 жыл бұрын
either he lost a bunch of weight as he got older or this is not him... look at the distance from his nose to his side cheeks.. way different.. and how "long" in the face billy is.. the new photos does not have that effect... the only match is the ring and thats about a 50/50 guess..
@Outlaw4640
@Outlaw4640 8 жыл бұрын
nope not billy the kid. face doesn't match at all.
@johnwayne3331
@johnwayne3331 5 жыл бұрын
Ye it doas i think its him
@Out-Cast75
@Out-Cast75 5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't match shit . It seems all these pictures that no one found for 140 years are coming outta the wood work . I wonder if 5 million and 2 million for the two only known pictures of Billy had Any thing to do with that?
@elchoya100
@elchoya100 7 жыл бұрын
i'll give him a quarter for that authentic picture of somebody from the old west,but not billy the kid!
@12dbuck1
@12dbuck1 5 жыл бұрын
The sky is raining Billy the Kid photos. How did Billy ever have time to be a gunslinger; he spent all his waking hours in a photo studio. These two people, Billy and the lad in the DeAragon image look nothing alike. And the teeth business -- is Lois Gibson pulling our leg? -- the DeAragon lad's teeth are not visible.
@miguelfierro5461
@miguelfierro5461 6 жыл бұрын
Same teeth?? you can't even see the other guys teeth. the more preposterous claims like this I'm subjected to.....the more faith I lose in "facial recognition" But hey, can't ignore that pinky ring...What a load of crap.
@fthprodphoto-video5357
@fthprodphoto-video5357 Жыл бұрын
Billy was the very first Instagrammer, using a 8x10 large format chamber camera
@normanhowe4938
@normanhowe4938 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it is go back and look at the mouth. But the shitty part is ,we'll never know.i wish someone would hurry up and invent the time machine. Someone could go back in time find billy and ask him if this is him. And also warn him of Pat's dirty ambush.
@MyRoxy571
@MyRoxy571 3 жыл бұрын
Best reply yet mate
@wendellbenedict4793
@wendellbenedict4793 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see a comparison of his photo to a photo of Brushy Bill.
@maryellenshock
@maryellenshock Жыл бұрын
It's already been done, some people say yes - I say no. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the amagintion
@noahcorreiaphotography
@noahcorreiaphotography 3 жыл бұрын
Have these people heard of the word provenance?!?!
@BigDaddyJinx
@BigDaddyJinx 5 жыл бұрын
The ring was a clue? I call that into question, especially since they are both on the same hand...despite the tintype being reversed, meaning that the ring would be on the LEFT hand, and not the right, as was shown in the other picture. So same ring, but on different hands for different pics? Yeah, no. Sorry buddy, but that pic you have is decidedly NOT The Kid. If the ring was even mentioned as a clue, it, to me, immediately discredits your claim because anyone that knows anything about the only actual authenticated pic knows the tintype is reversed. Billy was left handed, and the rifle that looks like it'd be in the right hand, is actually in his left hand. The same hand as the ring. The ring in the pic he has is on his right hand. Wrong hand. If the other pic was also a tintype, he'd at least be able to say the ring is a clue because both would be reversed.
@nobodyspecial6513
@nobodyspecial6513 3 жыл бұрын
I believe this photo is a tin type also. Could be wrong but I think that's all they had at the time
@yhwhschannel7062
@yhwhschannel7062 Жыл бұрын
Did he have a graze across his left ear like he does in the black and white one? I noticed the graze as if a bullet grazed up his putter ear .. nearly shot but escaped that death he did look closer... For the left ear has a graze like the bullet barely missed him taking off some of his putter ear. 😐
@ronniewatkins5473
@ronniewatkins5473 3 жыл бұрын
I can see it. If you study the cheek bones, nose, teeth, ears, body type etc., I think they match up well. I think he's wearing the same ring and boots in both photos and is posing in a very similar matter. The famous authenticated tintype is a bit distorted and I think Billy was squinting in the famous photo. In fact, everyone that knew Billy basically said that the tintype was him, but didn't really capture his features or didn't really look like him.
@pendragonU
@pendragonU 2 жыл бұрын
in the one posing with his rifle, he looks like if he just dismounted off a many hours or days riding with little sleep too btw, but maybe he was just barely awaken and still on a hangover, making him look as if stoned. Just plastered face.
@TheBatugan77
@TheBatugan77 Жыл бұрын
@@pendragonU Don't project your drinking problem onto others.
@jamesbackus9345
@jamesbackus9345 Жыл бұрын
L😊l😊😊😊l?😊
@stevemccoy8138
@stevemccoy8138 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing was said about Randy's picture of Billy in Fresno CA.
@roscoecrawford6442
@roscoecrawford6442 3 жыл бұрын
Not a chance in hell. Two different people
@joepalooka2145
@joepalooka2145 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's him, maybe not. One forensic artist says it's him, but another could argue the opposite. There's a faint resemblance but not enough to make it a definite Billy, like the famous one.
@attilathehun0
@attilathehun0 4 жыл бұрын
They have Billy the Kid's Winchester picture so horizontally stretched out it makes him look like he's 300 lbs. He looks more like Billy the Pig and not the Kid.
@vernonpennington4070
@vernonpennington4070 5 жыл бұрын
That tinny town photo guys took any thing that come along . People of Lincoln County say Billy was not cheap .he bout his friends nice gifts all the time. And his girl friends dresses he would pick them out his self. Hats . Jewelry even Pat Garret got nice wedding gifts for his home and his kids .Billy was loved the Sam by all kids Billy would by big sacks of candy give kids hadfulls .he was a loved by many.👍💔
@FacesoftheForgotten
@FacesoftheForgotten 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t look anything like him. Now the croquet picture?…you can see a good resemblance.
@user-ys5gl6np2d
@user-ys5gl6np2d 2 жыл бұрын
Who should I contact if I have a photo of Billy the kid??
@geologyjohn1
@geologyjohn1 3 жыл бұрын
The newly discovered Carte de visited is clearly of 1862-1865 vintage. How old was Billy the Kid during that rime?
@royjacobson5561
@royjacobson5561 11 ай бұрын
He was born in 1859, then you can to the math.
@uproar123
@uproar123 Жыл бұрын
I don't think so. He is not taking into account that the original tintype image was, in fact, a reverse image (as all tintypes were), and the rifle was actually in Billy's left hand, not his right. Note the position of the buttons on his clothing in the original photo--buttons on the left, like a woman's garment, and not on the right, as it would be on a man's clothing--it is reversed. The pinky ring that Billy the Kid wore would be on his left hand in the corrected photo, not the right hand as it is in the newly discovered photo. The original, reversed tintype is the reason why the fallacy of the "left handed gun" came about--Billy was actually right handed. Now, if you look at the more recently discovered photo, it does not appear to be a tintype, and the image is not reversed--note that the buttons on his clothing in the photo are on the right, as they should be.
@razablanco3766
@razablanco3766 Жыл бұрын
I bought an awesome shirt once, the buttons were backwards..... i was made fun of by my wife for like 3 months
@Tarienidu1
@Tarienidu1 11 ай бұрын
There are Plenty of left handed shooters who are right handed, Like myself.. left eye dominant and ambidextrousas well. Especially when they are shooting everyday and you don't get as infamous as he was just being typical.. also The cleaner photo looks like maybe when he was younger and the rougher one looks like maybe he just came from a shoot-out. Fist fights and hard living make people look different quick too. I know plenty of people that look different when they shut their mouths over their big teeth, and they can, back then if you didn't someone would slap a kid for drawing flies... 😢
@jimmyjennings4089
@jimmyjennings4089 5 жыл бұрын
Billy the kid is my favorite from the old West, when I was a kid myself I always wanted to be Billy the kid and I always played like I was him and then when I got older I always check out evey video about Billy, I'm just fascinated with Billy the kid just because I feel like he really never wanted to be an outlaw but was forced into it by circumstances beyond his fault but I believe he became very good with a gun and he deserves to be well known anyway I wish they could make a movie about Billy that uses an actor that looks very much like him sense they know what he looked like that would be cool and also make the movie as true to the real story as possible.
@1372eatapeach
@1372eatapeach 5 жыл бұрын
All Billy was doing was taking up for his employer ( he was eventually assassinated ) who was being pushed around by the corrupt leaders of the area
@marthawoodworth4380
@marthawoodworth4380 3 жыл бұрын
Doing that very thing, right now. Some day on Netflix, fingers crossed.
@iamheandheisinorsemen2605
@iamheandheisinorsemen2605 3 жыл бұрын
You never seen young guns or young guns 2? There's no getting better than that. Out dated or not by today's younger generations standards those 2 movies are pretty accurate and Emilio Estaves plays the best Billy the kid by far. If you never watched them movies check them out.
@jimmyjennings4089
@jimmyjennings4089 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamheandheisinorsemen2605 yes i have seen those movies and they are good but emelio Estevez doesn't really look like the picture of the real Billy the Kid on the tin type of him in my opinion id like to see an actor that looks like him even if he's not a well known actor like emelio Estevez although i did luke him un the movie young guns.
@Tom_Van_Zandt
@Tom_Van_Zandt 2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyjennings4089 Why do you hate punctuation?
@rosemoreno2817
@rosemoreno2817 Жыл бұрын
They look nothing alike thats not the same person. The shape of the jaw line the cheeks are fuller come on i could see the differences off the bat it doesn't take an expert to realize thats not Billy!!!🤦‍♂️
@ashleywarrick2094
@ashleywarrick2094 3 жыл бұрын
Though the two photos do indeed look different I think the photo could very well be authentic. It looks to me like Henry McCarthy, aka William Bonny, aka Billy the Kid was three or four years younger. Neat!!
@TheBatugan77
@TheBatugan77 Жыл бұрын
Oh bullshit.
@jokerproduction5135
@jokerproduction5135 5 жыл бұрын
How many photographers were in Lincoln county in 1870s the total population was like450 and billy wasn’t at the local bar saying pics of billy the kid
@koDaffi
@koDaffi 4 жыл бұрын
Notorious outlaw, sure let's just get our picture taken everywhere we go. Like come on people.
@edkirby2787
@edkirby2787 3 жыл бұрын
The picture of Billy the kid in his cowboy clothes is a reversed negative, he was right handed so that pinky ring would be on his left hand. That does not match with this new picture, unless that picture was a reverse negative.
@ioccatonyz1
@ioccatonyz1 6 жыл бұрын
Billy looks drunk in the tintype so the eyes won't match. The only match is the ears are similar. Plain to see Billy's tintype has a longer face but age difference could explain that, but NOT to my satisfaction. This is not Billy the Kid, and I question these so-called experts...
@galaxy-bw4oh
@galaxy-bw4oh 5 жыл бұрын
2men,very different atmosphere, different fashion..... different face... and what about the position of ears ?
@AlvinWatts-d5x
@AlvinWatts-d5x Жыл бұрын
In Rudousa might have spelled that wrong at the btk museum you walk in the door and on the right door post they have the tin tip picture and a picture of btk taken in the 1920's that was found in the attic of a railroad conduters attic that was a friend of bills and it does look just like btk
@trayvanderbilt1138
@trayvanderbilt1138 4 жыл бұрын
Sure the picture is appsolute real but not the same person, and how exactly can you tell if there teeth are the same when you can't compare both. Probably brushing Billy Roberts who claimed to be the kid in the forties.
@1372eatapeach
@1372eatapeach 5 жыл бұрын
Those 2 pics are not of the same person. Experts my aahh ,eye
@surfclimbcycle
@surfclimbcycle 5 жыл бұрын
Is he gonna sell it? Nope. Guess why - nobody would buy it. If that's Billy the Kid, I'm Wyatt Earl.
@orbchords533
@orbchords533 Жыл бұрын
There's also one of him and others playing, what I think, is polo
@mr.t6712
@mr.t6712 5 жыл бұрын
Get all the pics side by side and I'll prove to you the picture of the village people will look closer to the real pic. Pics coming along all of a sudden are not even close.
@ffrederickskitty4607
@ffrederickskitty4607 Жыл бұрын
My dad was good friends with Slim Garrett, Pat Garrett's nephew. We used to shoot trap together in Avenal, Calif.
@mcwmarion
@mcwmarion Жыл бұрын
Not even close to being the same person good fn god get a clue
@christophermullaley1597
@christophermullaley1597 3 жыл бұрын
She says that you can tell by the teeth, but in the second photo his mouth is closed.
@sandvenexplorer
@sandvenexplorer 5 жыл бұрын
The expert has EYES? TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Just look at the eyes for starters, completely different. The Whole face is different, the body...the pose. This is silly.
@thomvogan3397
@thomvogan3397 Жыл бұрын
I don't think they look anything alike. The eyebrows are completely different and Billy's eyelids were heavier and more closed. It won't be the first time an expert was wrong
@johncuccini5009
@johncuccini5009 5 жыл бұрын
There is still only one authenticated photo of Billy The Kid
@RonaldReaganRocks1
@RonaldReaganRocks1 5 жыл бұрын
Not true, there is the newer "croquet" picture.
@mrliberty8468
@mrliberty8468 Жыл бұрын
Billy the kid had his own photographer and was known to stop often when running from the law and take pictures.
@peterdowney1492
@peterdowney1492 4 жыл бұрын
Finding authentic photos of Billy the Kidd just about rivals the finding of people who written the plays of Shakespeare.
@TheBlueDogMan
@TheBlueDogMan 3 жыл бұрын
Bigfoot took those pictures and wrote those plays.
@pendragonU
@pendragonU 2 жыл бұрын
and the ones coming up with "lost but found" secret and hidden plays of Will, that of course nobody knew about, not even himself
@armondk1
@armondk1 7 жыл бұрын
Holly Crap not even close. Especially when you put them side by side. Sorry folks but no cigar for you.....
@dancefree5627
@dancefree5627 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could find a pic of him
@CryptoBlockchainTechnologies
@CryptoBlockchainTechnologies Жыл бұрын
Wow. ❤
@localbod
@localbod 5 жыл бұрын
The authenticated photo is reversed because the rifle he has doesn't have the ejection port on its left side. So if comparing the two photos that needs to be taken into account in my opinion.
@VyperVenom
@VyperVenom 2 жыл бұрын
An 1873 Winchester ejects out of the top, and has a loading gate on the right side. There is nothing on the left side. I own two of them.
@localbod
@localbod 2 жыл бұрын
@@VyperVenom Thanks for the information. I stand corrected.
@conorolaf1762
@conorolaf1762 3 жыл бұрын
If that's Billy the Kid then I'm Smokey the Bear.
@alanstackhouse2939
@alanstackhouse2939 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Smokey! lol😂
@josephsturgis3898
@josephsturgis3898 3 жыл бұрын
The eyebrows of the cowboy Kid are vastly darker than the suited Kid though.Not the Kid! That broad is wrong!
@michaelram2634
@michaelram2634 4 жыл бұрын
so many pictures that don't even look alike and so many aliases that a person doesn't even know at what time they were used. On all accounts Billy was being protected by all his adopted family and Friends. remember Charles Siringo stated that by the time Billy was 5 or 6 years of age his real family was living in Santa Fe,NM. sometime after this he becomes an orphan even attending a catholic school for orphans at La Junta(Watrous) N.M.
@Vean-ql2yq
@Vean-ql2yq 4 ай бұрын
I never bought the game of hammer ball photo resembled Billy at all, but this one may be real, it should go to FBI forensics for an up to date analysis. The FBI should do it to contribute to saving something historical, they could work on it in thier spare time,if the owner would relinquish it to them for the time needed.
@Baskerville22
@Baskerville22 3 жыл бұрын
Did he ever do a Play-girl centrefold ?
@DarthNibiru
@DarthNibiru Жыл бұрын
Billy the kid looking like Tom holland in that second photo
@robmorcette4894
@robmorcette4894 5 жыл бұрын
This looks more like Bushy the kid , the other fake photo . This photo does not look like Billy The Kid to me . Just my opinion
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