KORG Module Pro vs SampleTank as a Live Performance App

[@davidosolo]

Really nice demonstration. Thank you for that. You nailed it when you pointed out that Korg wants to charge you for very basic functions like splits, layers & midi functionality. It is like Korg is thinking in "better" business models rather than in making better music apps and like they are trying to make money out of nowhere.

[@Eleni_Be]

THIS was sooo helpful for me from a live keyboarders perspective. I even might switch from PC to iOS bc of this. Great review, that's as good as it gets! Instantly subbed, too.

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

Eleni Be thank you, the iPad setup has gotten me by a couple of times when my motif was being serviced. If you plug the iPad or iPhone on a stereo keyboard amp it sounds much better summing it to mono does make a difference but it still sounds fine. Thanks for watching

[@berokm]

Very helpful, Im an SampleTank owner and I was thinking if it really worse to buy module pro, and it has really god sounds but, SampleTank does too. And that’s true, there are a lot of things you cand do with it; layers, splits, loops, patterns, tweak, etc and all of it just in Live mode.

[@bdonnell7073]

Great comparison! The pros & cons you provide for each product are hugely helpful. The usability comparisons for live playing--and reading between the lines, for studio/purist use as well--are very useful. Your Korg Module pricing comments pretty much substantiate my fear of "big nickels & dimes" for hidden upgrades--a turn off for sure. Sampletank seems aboveboard about what comes with each of their products. So as a songwriter (mostly), Sampletank seems like the ticket. If I need better sounds, I can buy Korg Module if a real keys player/bandmate isn't available. Thanks again w/a thumbs up & Subscribe!

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

B Donnell thank you, yeah both apps are really good specially if you consider the cost of a real pro keyboard and compare it. These apps are solid

[@orb3442]

7:30 - superb... "I don't know, I just call a sax player if I need a sax)". You're 100% right!

[@paulfearn6974]

really good video helped me to consider whats best. im just looking for a 2nd keyboard if my kronos ever went down. i actually think that the sample tank piano is better than the korg module stock piano. I am toying to get module pro but need the function to transpose down a step so will need the extra cost. but after watching your video im now leaning back to investing in sample tank again. I do agree Korg are missing a trick. thanks again.

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

Paul Fearn yes it makes a great little backup system. I play with a motif and I had to send it to be repaired, and I played the gig with the iPad setup - (actually I used a phone) it worked fine. Did I feel the difference? Yes absolutely but no one else did and I wasn’t suffering it was fine. Since then I’ve discovered to run the iPad through a stereo amp it sounds a lot better

[@yuyu_skaholic]

Im using korg module pro for my midi arturia keylab essential mk3, soon I purchase this sampletank license hehehe for my live performance

[@edgaba]

Awesome!

[@samuel-sh7yp]

Oye bro yo solo quiero usar modulo pro por los pianos Acústicos, me recomiendas comprar la versión pro? O mejor comprar las librerias de solo 13 sonidos de pianos?

[@yuyu_skaholic]

@@samuel-sh7yp i cannot understand your language haha

[@bjunk5344]

The Expensive IAP to do layers is absurd in Korg Module Pro. It should be free if you bought 4 or more IAPs. Eventually some artist will release an album using IK Multimedia. Korg disappointed me by selling this layer feature as an extra IAP.

[@overviewworkflow3502]

B Junk in totally agree that feature should automatically be automatically free and it should be more powerful.

[@tomblaze2]

trito presets sound great

[@archersamson254]

Pro trick : you can watch series on Flixzone. I've been using them for watching lots of of movies these days.

[@bostonmordechai3297]

@Archer Samson yea, have been watching on Flixzone for months myself :D

[@webncyber]

Thank you! Have you tried to midi map the SampleTank multi mode? I was able to map the volume for each but I am getting hard time to map a mute option to midi controller. Seems like they don’t have

[@JS-lr8nj]

Thanks! This is a big help!!!

[@hoaluu2084]

How many modules do you have and what are they? Thanks.

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

At the time I made the video I was running Korg Module and some of the extended libraries and Sampletank. However, now I run everything through AUM with 3 instances of Korg Module one for E Piano, one for Bass and one for a string pad, a separate instance of an app for Horns and brass, and I use Pure Piano for an acoustic piano. Sometimes I may add a channel in aum for Launchpad to trigger drum loops. That setup runs very stable and it hardly tasks the cpu on the iPad. If you want I be glad to make a video of my current setup. I hope this helps.

[@hoaluu2084]

Thank you

[@followyourpassion8378]

​@@eddiegarridobyrequest3990that sounds like a great setup! I wish IK would consider upgrading Sampletank to AU. The workaround for interapp audio and Cubasis is a little cumbersome. That's why I am considering a workstation again.

[@TheIvoryman]

I find the pianos in Korg Module, even the ‘premium’ Ivory pianos from Synthogy, just have a flat kind of lifeless sound. The piano offerings from IK Multimedia in SampleTank and iGrand have more character to their sound. I wish the IKMM Apps had more polyphony. They pretty much max out at 64 note polyphony. And they don’t have an algorithm for low note priority. So, if you’re doing an up keyboard arpeggio with the sustain pedal pressed the note stealing becomes quite evident. That is my biggest criticism of SampleTank. There are a couple of other things like the the way certain effects are tied to certain instruments and not an independent effects section that can be tied to any instrument of your choosing. So, improvements can be made. I have both SampleTank and Korg Module Pro, with many of the additional add on sounds for both. I have many other sound modules from other companies, as well. I never use Korg Module. But, I do use several sounds and layered patches from SampleTank in many songs my band performs. Setting up layers and splits in SampleTank is intuitive and straight forward. In Korg Module that is not the case, at all.

[@edgaba]

Thanks for your comment, I agree with you. I don’t use the piano from Korg module as it lacks. You should try an app called Pure Piano I find that is my favorite piano for iPad. I do use some of the other sounds from module like Pads etc. Anyway, happy playing!

[@TheIvoryman]

@@edgaba I do have Pure Piano. And, I do like it. I have been playing live gigs with my iPad and two keyboard controllers for about 5 years. When playing out with my band I typically have 8-9 Apps/Modules open and running in the background simultaneously. I need to be able to access those modules instantly. So, I do not want to have to close and open apps between every song. It’s too time consuming. In order to have that many Apps all open I have had to choose the apps I use, very carefully. I have a 2017 256gb iPad Pro. I run all of the apps at 256 samples (@5ms latency). That is perfectly acceptable to me. I have no hiccups or conflicts of any kind. But, believe me, I am maxing out the capabilities of my iPad. Pure piano is a bit CPU intensive. So, I can’t use it in my live gig setup. I added the ‘Keys Sound Pack’ IAP in iSymphonic. There are two piano sounds in that add on that are actually my favorite pianos. And, they work just fine. The newest iPad Pros with Apple’s M2 chip are lightning fast. So, their limitations must be very few.

[@edgaba]

@@TheIvoryman are you running your setup usin AUM?

[@TheIvoryman]

@@edgaba For live performance, in order to insure that I can run all 8 Apps simultaneously, I do not use AUM or any other host application. All Apps run stand alone. So, I use whatever effects and features each individual App has. It would be nice to use AUM, to add specific effects to any instrument that I choose. But, that would take up valuable resources. I am quite satisfied with the capabilities of my system. I can do more with it than keyboard players using hardware based keyboards. If I ever upgrade to the newest iPad Pro, any limitations I now have will no longer be an issue.

[@maduroholdings]

I have the scarbee but I have Ravenscroft which is why I never upgraded to ivory may need to rethink

[@Damianthelovetour2024]

U played a Nord. And the piano. Wow there buttery

[@greglees4011]

5:41 🎵”while you see a chance take it” 🎵 yes, I heard it right there 😀

[@jorgelatorre2579]

hello man, thanks for the review. With the korg module you have latency? like with a vsti or plays like a hardware module? another thing, what iPad are you using? Thanks a lot!

[@tiny-church2448]

Jorge Latorre I’m using an iPad Pro, however I have tried it on an iPad Air and and even an iPhone and I experience no latency. It does play just like a module. Combining module with Sampletank really turns out to be a very capable sound module. Just for fun I actually played a set running it from an iPhone and a controller just to see if it would crap out, which it didn’t. I prefer of course to play on a real keyboard like the motif or so however, for having a lite mobile setup to travel etc. You cannot bit this specially in combination with Cubasis, you really can produce some really complex ideas.

[@pmarker]

Thank you for helping me save money. Korg got really greedy.

[@mehmettrabzon7883]

Hello this app can to connect with garageband to make the record sir?

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

Yes, you should be able to connect it to garage band though garage band has some nice sounds already

[@mehmettrabzon7883]

@@eddiegarridobyrequest3990 where i can find the alchemy sounds in this app

[@tiny-church2448]

Jorge Latorre I’m using an iPad Pro, however I have tried it on an iPad Air and and even an iPhone and I experience no latency. It does play just like a module. Combining module with Sampletank really turns out to be a very capable sound module. Just for fun I actually played a set running it from an iPhone and a controller just to see if it would crap out, which it didn’t. I prefer of course to play on a real keyboard like the motif or so however, for having a lite mobile setup to travel etc. You cannot bit this specially in combination with Cubasis, you really can produce some really complex ideas.

[@stevied6286]

This is extremely subjective..I think the native piano sounds better than the download.a little reverb and eq and you would have much the same!

[@Rick-zw7zv]

Question, how do you disable the sustain pedal for a particular instrument like a left hand the bass when you have all the instruments going on one midi channel?

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

I do t believe you can disable it however, you might be able to disable it from the midi controller. The way I used it was I had my bass sound on a separate midi controller (Arturia Mini Keylab) set to the midi channel of the bass and an iRig keys was playing all the other layers. It was a using two keyboard controllers. You can connect 2 keyboards using a hub like the Pluggable Hub. I have 2 of those hubs if you need one message me back. The ability to control the sustain midi within the app has been requested to ik multimedia and its in the wish list of updates. I hope this helps.

[@keyboyrecords]

How did you get audio out of an iPad Pro that has no headphones jack?

[@edgaba]

keyboyrecords for the video the iPad has a record video with audio function app. Also my iPad Pro does have a headphone output. You can also use an interface like steinberger or apogee duet, they work well and there is no noticeable latency.

[@paulfearn6974]

i bought a usbc from ebay about £15.00

[@truthmanifestingtruth]

iconnectaudio4+ or a usb c to usb hub & connect an audio to USB adapter....the 2nd way is less expensive...either way let’s you connect multiple midi keyboards and an audio adapter...your hub should have at least 4 USB ports

[@disienna]

What do you think of the in app piano upgrades in SampleTank?

[@tiny-church2448]

disienna other than the sample tank pro pack I haven’t bought any of the piano upgrades - I have miroslav and some of the other libraries like the moog etc. But I have been curious about the Alan Parsons piano but I don’t think I’ll buy it I’m happy with the Ivory piano from module.

[@disienna]

But if those are as good Tiny-Church, it’s fairly conclusive that ST is the live gig champ.

[@robertsteinberger5667]

Can anyone tell me which one is better Ivory Model D or Mobile Grand? What is the difference?

[@edgaba]

Actually you should check out Pure Piano by e instruments. It’s a new app I have a couple of reviews in my channel.I think Pure Piano is the best piano app out as of now.

[@edgaba]

Here is the link to the review kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGbOaKdofrJqmLs

[@pinnymusic]

Are you influenced by Avishai Cohen?

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

I’m embarrassed to admit I don’t know who that is however. I’m going to look it up and check it out.

[@pianostuff191]

Yeah I agree, the cymbal Jazz bass sound in Module really sucks.

[@toplespecah666]

How’s the both soft sound during together with the band?

[@edgaba]

I don’t understand the question, could you say it a different way?

[@toplespecah666]

@@edgaba do you ever try on stage with the band?

[@edgaba]

@@toplespecah666 yes I have used it on stage and it works well, I just prefer to use a real keyboard Live only because it’s less hustle to plug it in. It does work.

[@toplespecah666]

@@edgaba ok thanks !

[@payentertainment2949]

what ipad model do you use?

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

A iPad Pro 10.5 but any iPad will run the apps well

[@payentertainment2949]

@@eddiegarridobyrequest3990 thanks dude... how about the quality of sound if i play without audio interface?

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

@@payentertainment2949 my iPad is an older one that still has the headphones output I’ve had no problems with it. I usually use it without and interface. To record I to the iPad would be a different story. I would recommend a TC Helicon go solo. That’s an excellent interface and it’s not expensive.

[@EdTheOutcast]

Feel free to post your video here.. Facebook Group iOS Music Apps Infos facebook.com/groups/541844656183164/?ref=share

[@bjunk5344]

Sampletank for the win. Korg ruined a good thing trying to screw their customers over with this ridiculous"Module Performance Expansion" $30 IAP . I also invested in the iPolysix, Korg Gadget2 and IAPs, iDS 10 and iAPs, iM1 with all IAPs, iMS 20 again with all IAPs. That is it not a dime more. Wish i had waited and saved me a lot of money and just got Sampletank, Gospel Musician's Bassilicous2, FM Tines, Neo Soul Keys, Pure Synth and Streetlytron and mellowsound.

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

B Junk yeah their pricing is questionable. I think they compare it to “getting the real thing” but... they need to see what other companies are doing Steinberger Cubasis, Ik Multimedia. And even independent app programmers have great pricing and don’t make you jump through hoops. I was disappointed that in Module when you BUY the split or layer feature. You cannot split AND layer you split or layer and that is only 2 sounds compared to 8 with sample tank that you can split AND layer. Anyway, it is what it is haha! Happy playing.

[@edrumsense]

@@eddiegarridobyrequest3990 Thanks for this review, I was thinking in buying an iPad only to get the Korg apps... but I will digress, I will finally go for the Sampletank but for PC

[@payentertainment2949]

i can't make a layer in sampletank....help me.... even i set my midi channel in the same number

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

Make sure you are in the proper window then when you set your midi channels to the same channel make sure they are highlighted and that they have enough volume. You can highlight a patch and it will sound if you press again it’ll mute it. I’m not sure exactly what you’re doing so I can only guess possible solutions to common problems. I hope this helps.

[@payentertainment2949]

@@eddiegarridobyrequest3990 its highlighted yet.... and i'm sure do it perfectly like you said.... i try in ipad mini 6 and iphone XR and its still the same....🙏🙏

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

@@payentertainment2949 I’m not sure what to say, what I would do is reboot the iPad see if that works or also, uninstall the app and reinstall it. Simply delete the app, go to the App Store and install it again.

[@payentertainment2949]

I have tried this method and still find the same result. I've tried uninstalling and installing again....i rebooted the ipad too.... looks like it's a bug in the app that doesn't support ios 15.5... maybe... I have tried on two devices (ipad mini 6 and iPhone XR) the results are the same.... I have tried to contact contact service but no answer

[@eddiegarridobyrequest3990]

@@payentertainment2949 tha. Is so weird! Till there is a fix I suggest you use AUM you can load multiple instances of any app and layer split etc. I will also ask around to see if there is a fix.

[@keyboyrecords]

No one's live performing with this crap. We are in the studio dude.

[@edgaba]

keyboyrecords I know 3 keyboard players in jazz bands playing live, using Module with a controller just straight piano.

[@delanobersan7344]

It’s the future dude.