The Reapers RUINED The Commonwealth - The Walking Dead Season 11B vs Comic - A Brief Retrospective

[@Koroto]

But did you see it? 👀👀

[@DourFlower]

youre covering INVINCIBLE?! or Breaking Bad (both please and also BCS)

[@TobyEchozap]

the overanalysing breaking bad in the corner. oh i did. and im very excited.

[@allisonnicole.]

Koroto, what’s your favorite episode of TWD?

[@KaneA87]

It has been 3 months, are these videos done?

[@noahmagana137]

I’ll argue that pamela in the comics is more of an antagonist than a villain since she seemed to care about your people but still wanted to be the leader

[@pwpresents5660]

That’s exactly what made her a great "baddie". She’s simply a character with a different point of view, a different set of goals that clashed with Rick and his communities. There was never a real indication that there was going to be any sort of conflict between the two groups other than a difference of opinion. In fact, the arrival of Ricks people instead became the catalyst for the revolution of the Commonwealth which was already on its way. Ricks only involvement was helping stop the violence rather than fight it. Pamala was overthrown because the people were inspired by his way of life rather than hers. It was such a contrast to the likes of the Governor or Negan.

[@dylanlarabie5945]

Been following the series for 2+ years now I love the comparison and deep dive perspectives on it. Brings a whole new life to the walking dead , even as someone who finished the comic series as it aired. Keep up the great work!

[@dylanlarabie5945]

gonna be sad when the series comes to an end :(

[@Koroto]

Fret not, something new is always just around the corner 👀

[@dylanlarabie5945]

@@Koroto👀🙏

[@JonathanHebron212]

the “invincible” daryl joke is exactly what I needed this morning thank you koroto, you never miss with these retrospectives

[@lukaslambs5780]

Rick not being in this storyline really hurts. The whole idea of him rebuilding civilization and becoming a legend is lost in the show to me. Still not awful but Rick is needed (hot take, I know)

[@nerdcorner2680]

I agree 100% and think the problem was at its’ worst with the timeskip and the sanctuary had fallen. All of the themes and ideas Rick put forward in the show are proven to be wrong, and that you can’t rebuild the way it was before because we are too far gone. Then the Kingdom falling, Alexandria getting destroyed all support this idea rather than Rick’s. Then Commonwealth shows up and expects us to 180 without Rick guiding us to that theme

[@marag7184]

it's been like seven months since the last recap and I'm missing it soooo much x)) I love watching this series and I really hope we get the final comic comparison video at some point.

[@operationthrash9645]

What a slap in the face it was for a season 9 red shirt like Yumiko to get that pivotal Michonne comic book moment

[@mappingshaman5280]

It would have been somewhat excusable if it was connie since people actually liked her (though I suppose she doesn't have any family other than her sister). Though in the end they should have probably just invented a sister or something for Carol or maybe a cousin for maggie (which would also give her more of a story than just "I hate negan")

[@bishbosh4815]

I have no idea why they left Pamela Milton's reveal until the tenth episode of the season, they met Pamela right at the start of the Commonwealth arc in the comics, and there isn't enough dialogue about what the Commonwealth is, what resources and infrastructure they have, how many people they have, how it came to be. Its so weird that in the show, like you say, the group is so destroyed after the damage the Whisperers did, the storm, the Reapers, that the Commonwealth came along like a saviour to help them rebuild, rather than the communities being self sufficient and looking for allies. None of the characters question the true motives of Pamela and Lance, or how the Commonwealth came to be, what skeletons are in their closets, why the society is so unequal, they all just kind of go along with it until the shit hits the fan, and the way it happens is so truncated and has nothing to do with the Commonwealth itself but Lance's political ambitions and Sebastian's greed and arrogance. In the comics, I'm pretty sure it's the people that revolt against the Commonwealth and the main characters are kind of thrust into the conflict, and Rick tries to mediate it peacefully, which results in his death, whereas in the show it kinda just... happens. And then in the third act, Sebastian and Lance are killed off and they make Pamela the villain in such a cack handed way, instead of establishing her as the villain the first place

[@vincenta8652]

Series was canceled so the slapped the reaper arc on to the remaining episodes woth what budget they had left

[@bishbosh4815]

@@vincenta8652 they had all that delayed time in covid to plan it!

[@bishbosh4815]

@sk1nz28 more like 50 😂

[@alexisburns1196]

oh god I'm REALLY going to miss twd retrospectives

[@crusader2112]

Me too. 👍

[@ShadowDogProduction]

Run it back. When we get to the end we'll not remember the early episodes

[@wesleybutler1868]

I’m so glad you mentioned the reapers introduction scene on the road. I’m currently rewatching season 11 and I did not at all buy the reapers as a threat in that scene. Sure, they massacre a bunch of the basically no-names from Maggie’s new group, but I do not at all buy that ANYONE, even a individuals with prior military training could outclass our survivors to that extent. If you’re capable of surviving 12 years into the apocalypse, I feel like the skill level would be relatively equal among survivors (especially our group)

[@Capm2929]

I have to say, the change in thumbnail made me pass over this video for like 2 months, I only just realized it was the next part to the retrospective series. Great video as always, I love this retrospective series, its probably the coolest one on youtube. Covering the comics and the show side by side and comparing them through all 11 seasons is nuts. Cant wait to rewatch every episode of this when it ends. I hope you do a review of the spinoff shows in a similar format to these videos, even though you dont have the comics to compare them to, because I love your Walking Dead videos, I dont think anyone elses compare.

[@mozzbyy8616]

Bro come back and finish the series

[@AwesomeTheAsim]

This was my first time waiting for an episode. Thank you in advance 👍

[@levisweeney976]

im gonna be really sad to see this series come to an end but imo this is some of the best content on youtube

[@Koroto]

Fret not, new things are brewin in the depths of the ol’ Koroto shack. Perhaps if you’re extra observant, you may or may not have already seen it. 👀

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

​@@KorotoBro. The only thing i want to hear are your thoughts about The End of the series. Comic book version i mean. Lets just say i have a LOT to say about that. But i am going to save it until we get there.

[@dillydraws]

You know I love Eugene but seeing this again and him punching Sebastian, He should've gotten the big death ending like what the comics did at the end of the commonwealth.

[@The_Local_Goose]

This is exactly what i needed today koroto, thanks, goose approved.

[@crusader2112]

I love this series. I’m gonna miss it when it’s done. Can you do a series covering Telltale’s The Walking Dead? That would be great. 👍

[@damonlongstreet8630]

Let me add to that, Include ALL of the cut content and all the bs bts

[@christianmanka3884]

I never had an issue with the Reapers. They’re lame villains but I lumb them in as world building antagonists like the hospital cops, the claimers and kinda the highwaymen. They exist to fill a small gap and show more people in the world.

[@Danielarrr]

always a good watch. cant believe its almost over...

[@lightningmonky7674]

These are so well done and you are obviously very knowledgeable of the subject matter, these vids deserve so many more views

[@bengeisler102]

The reapers were one of my favorite parts of season 11 because I love how unhinged Pope was when first introduced

[@enigma7310]

*The Reapers were basically Rick's old group if they never met Negan...*

[@mappingshaman5280]

Agreed. The reapers and lance made the commonwealth better than it was in the comics in my opinion.

[@s.nifrum4580]

I enjoyed the reapers. they felt unique to me virtually all the villains weve seen up to this point were just people before all this began. Regular ass people with regular ass lives. But the reapers were mercenaries. They were legit shit trained. And it showed the heroes and negan were overwhelmed very quickly, they had to run, they were fucking hunted and it takes all the effort in the world for them to kill just one because these dudes are highly skilled. The way the reapers are portrayed both onscreen and off. They should have this, they should be the ones winning. only reason the good guys win is because of sneakattacks and dumb fucking luck along with taking a page out of the whisperer handbook.

[@x_G3ist_x]

All the Reapers garbage was to give context to the return of Lauren Cohan and her character (Maggie).

[@Siegfriedneo]

KOROTO WHERE IS THE NEXT EPISODE I FINALLY CAUGHT UP. (In all seriousness I hope everything is going well and you continue to make this series). But yes I am patiently waiting!

[@kmdreacts]

I hate when a great series of retrospective starts but Never gets finished 😔

[@allisonnicole.]

I wish these videos were longer!

[@darkage5]

Are you kidding me? This was 30 minutes of nonsense that didn't address the title's topic.

[@moonzombiee]

I LOVE WHEN THESE VIDEOS DROP

[@adi_baa]

WHAT! This released 8 days ago?? FUCK YOU FOR NOT TELLING ME KZbin! JESUS I WAS CRAVING IT!

[@reynederrick9444]

While the series got worse as the show continued, the comic got better and better and Rick’s character became goated.

[@brianachim2670]

Comic Commonwealth was WAY better…

[@william32811]

I’m not lying when I say, every time I hear you say “and, that’s the video” I get pissed off not at you at the video for ending

[@alexisburns1196]

i cant WAIT for you to talk about the ending of both versions although saying the tv show ended is kinda misleading all in do time

[@BullworthGraduate]

Hey, so I have been watching your Walking Dead comic vs TV show retrospective for years and it led to me eventually reading the comic series for the first-time last year. Thank you for the years of making this series. It's going to be sad when it officially ends either this year or next year. You ever thought about reading and going over the novel series by Jay Bonansinga? I recently finished book 5, Descent, and it's a really good series so far. It's canon to the comic universe like the Telltale game series is and I don't see many people talk about it on here, at least anyone interesting. Just thought I'd toss you an idea to do in the future. :)

[@Gwalk6767]

We ever finishing this series my guy?

[@grifftown]

aw dang this has been my comfort series for over a week now. anyways take care man

[@bishbosh4815]

This part of the season was such a mess, idk why the Reapers were introduced, but even if they were kept in, they couldve done so much more with him, exploring their history with Maggie and having some kind of revelation there, Leah switching sides, a big character death, connecting it to the Commonwealth. As it is it wouldve been better if they were masked assassins and nothing more

[@Afish8me2china]

I think that the reapers arc had a whole lot of potential, it could have been this really cool campaign where people slowly get killed off, but it had to be forced in and wasn’t given time to breathe

[@kingchunch8267]

love you korotos

[@gingercatqueen4368]

I just finished watching everything up to this point yesterday. 😮😅

[@Koroto]

👀👀

[@gingercatqueen4368]

@@Koroto I love this entire series. Thank you so much. 😊

[@ghostplasma5590]

When it comes to the Reapers the more one looks at it the more obvious it becomes that season 12 was supposed to be the final season and not 11. That they planned for the Reapers to be the main villains for 90% of season 11 and do the Commonwealth story arc in season 12. But then AMC came and said "yeah no. You have one season. Good luck". I actually really enjoyed the Reaper arc and I think a full season would do them justice. I could see Pope dying in like episode 12 and Leah leading the Reapers until like episode 15. Which means that if she came back in season 12 (assuming it would be 24 episodes) in episode 16 some might have even forgitten she was a thing and her return could be more of a surprise as some might have suspected her story was finished in season 11. A man can dream I guess

[@КалоянП-ч4в]

I really dont get it, its been almost 6 months, I keep coming back to chech if theres a new video, is there gonna be one?

[@GraffitiGamingg]

Well damn.. I started this after catching up & watching Episode 3 TOWL, I didn’t think I catch up & its not over yet lol. CAN’T WAIT! 🤩

[@kmdreacts]

Welp... Looks like that's it guys.. Another KZbinr who starts something interesting but fails to finish 😒😔

[@ghostplasma5590]

Hey would you look at that! That's the first episode since season 4's retrospective where I actually agree with almost everything! There is litreally ONE criticism I disagree with and here is why: I think the complete desperation of The Survivors to actually rebuild and them bwing on the brink of collapse was an AWESOME addition. It made it so that we are not just looking for allies like in the comic book. We actually NEED them. I'm a big hater of the comic book's Commonwealth story arc as it feot like it was building up to this big civil war in it and then Rick just shoots Dwight and dies and it's over (since litreally no one asked I actually DID include the Commonwealth civil war in my twd rewrite and I'm really f*cking proud of what I did there). It also leads to one of my favourite and most under appriciated scenes in the series. In the episode where Carol and Daryl break Lance out of prison he pretty much calls our group on our bulls*it. The plan is to kill Pamela and likely Lance,get Alexandria,Hilltop and Oceanside back and abandon the Commonwealth. How is that any different from wjat Lance and Pamela were doing? Our group wants to protect their friends and family and leave everyone else to themself. Lance and Pamela dod the exact same. Their friends and afamily lived a good life. The rest? Was expandable. The difference is that after killing Pamela if our group leaves the Commonwealth falls and thousands die. While under Pamela and Lance life was rough. But there was life. It makes our group look like giant hypocrites which in this case? They were. That leads to another awesome moment when after the day is won our group is faced with a decision. We got all 3 communities liberated. Lance is dead. Pamela's rule is over. And becouse of the Commonwealth's resources we can actually survive on our own yet again. Do we do that? We don't need The Commonwealth anymore. We could do that. Or do we stay and help steer the Commonwealth into the right path? And Ezekiel and Mercer step up and do just that. They lead it the right way. So yeah I think the show did that one better.

[@PricefieldPunk]

These Retrospectives are so entertaining, im sad that we're at the end of the story. Maybe you can do this for something like Attack on Titan even if the anime seems to follow the manga pretty closely

[@StreamlinedGaming_]

....Have you not seen his AOT videos I'm very confused hahahah😂

[@romansa11]

Commonwealth just doesnt feel like it is Walking dead... It is like something thrown at as from Fallout

[@luket3149]

The reapers arc was better than the last eight episodes of season 11 by far. Those last episodes were so bad, and the commonwealth as villains sucked.

[@angle2703]

Damn I caught up to you. Can’t wait for the next one

[@DourFlower]

Theres only 2 things I got out of the reapers. I think it was cool how Maggie shot them and also they mention Rockville which was my childhood city and I had a fleeting moment of dopamine at hearing it

[@Koroto]

Yeah, the Maggie rampage scene seems to be a lot of people's favorite (even though it's extremely "manufactured" imo). 😅

[@DourFlower]

@@Koroto that's a good word for it its just really shallow its more a guilty pleasure than genuine enjoyment "wow this would be so cool if it meant anything"

[@s.nifrum4580]

The longer this series goes on the more hilarious the title is However if things keep going at this exact rate you should be able to squeeze 6 or 7 more videos out of this Then again, it could always be more, this season be crazy

[@rg.0333]

Plz come back

[@alexisburns1196]

i feel like the comic was better overall with the commonwealth arc

[@mappingshaman5280]

To me the comic commonwealth was just boring preachy stuff about "muh classism." Don't get me wrong that's in the show too, but at least it's not just "muh classism."

[@Ajspya]

Miss this series

[@leevalentineart]

Any chance you'll be doin the next one soon? 👀

[@enigma7310]

*The Reaper Arc was so entertaining tho, the action, the tension, the use of Darryl more, Gabriel's growth, Maggie's return ect....the commonwealth arc felt like a soap opera with zombies in it, plus if Rick was on the Reaper arc season yall wouldn't have complained😭*

[@Koroto]

I complained about the saviors while Rick was around, trust me, I would've complained about the reapers all the same 🗿 Jokes aside though, they have some cool moments sure (some of which we're still yet to get to), but I never felt any tension with them whatsoever. We had no real history with them, Daryl and Maggie were both immune bc late-twd and they really didn't have any interesting hook for me personally.

[@enigma7310]

@@Koroto *In "the ones who live" the new bad guys in the trailer look simular to the reapers hopefully they don't make the same mistake with making cliche villains...😭🤦*

[@lifeloverNorris]

I can't agree with you on this one. I thought the Reapers actually brought back the good sense of fear to the series that it doesn't always have, and compared to many of the episodes in the second half which is a whole lot of boring commonwealth bits. The pope is also underrated af, dude has barely any dialogue lines but he is straight up intimidating.

[@dylantran8492]

My brain juat exploded realizing we haven't had a TWD vid in almost 8 months....hopefully we get one soon. But if Krotos was burnt out on these, i completely understand. Do what you wanna do, boo

[@allright]

When is the new Walking Dead video gonna be out.

[@aphroditlima2330]

@koroto what the hell dude… it’s been like 3 months. 😣 Where is the next retrospective?

[@Samantha-ml8jd]

I’m dying for your next video 😢😂❤

[@jakeharmon542]

I liked the Reapers storyline, and I get why it is there and why it's rushed. If Lauren Cohan didn't decide to join a show that wouldn't last more than a season, the Reapers either wouldn't happen or would have been rewritten

[@sumstopidshet5045]

Fun fact: it took a month to edit this video I think so idk

[@cameronb5479]

With the way they made show Magna hotheaded, untrustworthy of new communities and disliking the class system, I thought they were taking her in a comic Dwight uprising direction. But she just gets sidelined unfortunately….

[@talkingonyoutube623]

I would have loved if the ferals reappeared in the mid season finale at alexandria and created more conflict and also could have been used as comparison of where the characters are ath thta point and add more to the being at the lowest point for alexandria

[@lexzeyfercronus]

Im glad i didnt had to watch this season 1 episode at a time and just binged it entirely so i didnt had to endure the same suffering weekly viewers had to,the entirety of the reaperzzz felt like 2000s anime filler infecting the cannon story,in fact,it felt like the average fear the walking dead plot and that sucked horribly. But the worst part was Daryl out right stating he was "terrified" of the generic side plot "villain",really? The same Daryl that didnt even flinched when he was the saviors prisoner and Negan pretended he was going to bash his head when he tried to scape? The same Negan he saw destroy Abraham and Glenn's skulls and forced them to watch? They had to make Daryl a bitch just to try and trick people in to thinking the reapers were a threat. Wich is a shame,because its evident they really made an effort with the common wealth story and it had to drag the shitty reapers side plot and keep resetting all of Maggie's character development back to season 7 every single episode.

[@s.nifrum4580]

I honest to god thought the commonwealth was gonna kill the reapers to gain the trust of the main cast. I abandoned that theory relatively quickly but still

[@djwarrior5150]

What did they end up cooking up?!?!

[@CertifiedSecurityGuard]

I found Dawn to be my favorite villain due to her performance,before the villains became cartoonish. The hospital with the police officers should of been the entire season, the rest of the episodes I found boring.

[@dongkunlee6874]

Considering they showed the commonwealth in season 10, I feel like the season cancellation didn’t really have anything to do with the reapers in 11. If we go down that hole, we would still have all of the plot lines colliding at the same time unless they straight up ignored the commonwealth group for the entirety of 11, which I highly doubt even the writers of TWD would do

[@alexisburns1196]

I'm really curious about the ones who live whether it'll live up to the hype/years of expectations or it'll just be another spinoff we can add the the decline I'm very optimistic but I have my (very few) doubts

[@randomnerdythings9094]

Pope is like Negan if Negan was religious and unfunny

[@JoeyD_3636_]

Yo yo yo

[@Koroto]

Hello. 🗿

[@tylerprenger8063]

New episodes ?

[@lurkmist9766]

I loved the reapers, i know this is a very unpopular but i didnt like the governer at all, he was just boring

[@DourFlower]

pope looks like the coincidence i think not teacher from Incredibles.

[@js1423]

I don't like Dante and Maggie as a couple. It just feels cruel for Glenn's legacy...

[@mappingshaman5280]

That's kind of ridiculous if you ask me. You can't just expect a character to never move on and find love.

[@js1423]

@@mappingshaman5280 It would have been interesting see Maggie remain a widow, though it seems her and Dante never went anywhere serious, since it seems he did not become Hershel's stepdad. It just feels like killing Glenn all over again if Maggie takes another husband. If she would have a new love, I think it would have been beautiful for her to be with a widower who has gone through similar trauma to hers. Dante just seems gross and he even disrespected Glenn a few time if I recall

[@xxchrisxx8733]

The Reapers made season 11a so boring. They were a pointless group and just terrible villains that the producers thought it was a good idea to waste screen time on

[@Ginkrepeerc_]

Unpopular opinion - the Commonwealth ruined the reapers. It forced the arc short and it made it bad. I think the reapers could’ve been an amazing season villain.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

So. Is this 8 years after the initial outbreak? Wonder how Clem and the gang are doing during this mess of an arc? 😆

[@Koroto]

Closer to 12ish years, but the Telltale games don't share the same universe as the tv version anyway. 😅

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

@@Koroto was talking about comics. But its alright. 🙌. Great video dawg.

[@lxve_leigh]

Oh god I’m so early

[@Koroto]

_fast_

[@justinpatton6996]

Imo The walking dead should have ended with season 8 and or with season 9 episode 5, and finally Season 10 could have ended it. S11 is weird, the coda scene is the only good part to me

[@supertoxicgamer]

hey daddyyy

[@darkage5]

Aside from a minor mention. What did this whole video have to do with the reapers ruining anything? Just only brought them up as a matter of course then didn't justify the title. This was a recap video at best...

[@longsh00ter]

who cares about walking dead? I subbed fur the overanalasis of AOT, not tis crap

[@jjkilhij9531]

this retrospective series has been going strong for 2 years now, clearly people care 💀

[@longsh00ter]

@@jjkilhij9531 i dont, so i comment

[@nikkydalby7126]

I subbed for TWD, so stfu

[@davidkozin1106]

When is the next one going to be ready @koroto?