For a further break down of 4-2 / 8-4, Bismuth has covered this previously: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2i1q6J_etSGg7sm38s You can watch Niftski's run here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZnYanV4Z8xngdUsi=owZZvPvVEpeSMFl3
@talkalexis10 ай бұрын
cool
@colemontsandy342410 ай бұрын
Yeah but niftski is the only one Who could tie with the tas He just has to do it he perfect run
@lronhayden10 ай бұрын
I was here
@colemontsandy342410 ай бұрын
Yeah but people did play 8/4 perfect
@colemontsandy342410 ай бұрын
4/2 was the road block Not 8/4
@SummoningSalt10 ай бұрын
15:55 I made it in a Kosmic video 🥲 I hope this video blows up. It was my favorite of yours so far. I love the statistical breakdowns in the second half, I learned a ton from it.
@vlct66610 ай бұрын
Hopefully, this will push your small channel ❤️
@BubbleBFDI10 ай бұрын
wow kosmic is so generous helping out smaller channels ❤
@pferdesalami6910 ай бұрын
no way congrats man not everyone can manage to get into a speedrunning history video as specially not of a creator with this popularity
@josephgetz294110 ай бұрын
The salt has been summoned
@ozzcoremidmx828710 ай бұрын
SummonedSalt 👀
@notclickbait317210 ай бұрын
His 180 heartrate at the end of 8-4 says it all
@vehementvirtuoso788910 ай бұрын
I came to say this, lord in heaven 😭
@Dac_vak10 ай бұрын
Big deal, my heartrate goes up to 180 any time I have to talk to another human on the phone. (But fr his run is insane)
@lulmanlulman10 ай бұрын
Doesn't his heart rate always go 180 when he is near wr
@austinrollins681910 ай бұрын
@@lulmanlulman does that make it any more normal?
@Heymrk10 ай бұрын
🍕 🥤
@iyziejane10 ай бұрын
For someone who played this game during the 1980s, the most magical thing to me is that wall jumps are real. I followed the WR story for years, I know it's all much more impressive than a wall jump, but still the wall jumps are magical - an emergent property of the way the game was coded. It's like a fantasy we would have had back then, but it was secretly real the whole time. I would love for Kosmic or someone to do a video on the history of SMB wall jumps - what is earliest point in time when they were discovered and confirmed?
@acorngnome10 ай бұрын
Once I accidentally did a wall-jump while my baby brother was trying to take the controller.
@Sunflower_SM6410 ай бұрын
dang, og alert. My mom also played it in the 80s.
@legoboy710710 ай бұрын
@@acorngnome Once a couple years ago or so I accidently did a wall jump in Lost Levels 1-2 on NSO that saved me, I believe I was going for the Warp Zone but missed the jump onto the next top platform, and fell right into the pit right before the normal exit pipe assuming I was dead but hit the right wall, and accidentally managed to wall-jump off it and land in front of the pipe. Was the first time I ever pulled one off and it was by complete accident. Missed the Warp Zone but was still alive! Never done something like that since, only wall-jumps I've pulled off since were when I was continuously trying to do one in SMB1 1-1's bonus room lol.
@morchela10 ай бұрын
I always do walljumps when they are useless
@Qoobon_10 ай бұрын
My mom was born in the 80' 🤫
@codetaku10 ай бұрын
You mentioned that 8-4 has only been done perfectly twice ever But niftski is one of the two that did it If anyone can do a truly perfect speedrun, through the end of 8-4, even if it takes another 3 years, it's him
@nomatyx578910 ай бұрын
Reminds me of something from Hades. A content creator named Haelian made a video about how max difficulty Hades is impossible, and only two people have done it, with the help of mods to fudge RNG. Then, within a week, one of those two beat it legitimately.
@beeftips162810 ай бұрын
@@nomatyx5789I could be remembering this wrong but it reminds me of a video about how someone made a mod of hollow knights final boss to be impossible only for someone to beat it In like a week. There is probably many more similar stories and it only just reminds me how we can do anything we put our minds to.
@uberlord98310 ай бұрын
In other words, Niftski HAS done a perfect SMB1 run, its just technically a multi-segment run, so the pieces need to be done again all in 1 sitting.
@fuy164810 ай бұрын
@@uberlord983 In other words, he would only need 1 splice for a perfect run
@fat4l1ty10 ай бұрын
@@fuy1648 and pizza and coke
@PeskyTheWabbit10 ай бұрын
The heart-rate monitor is such a great element of these streams. It really helps you relate to the nerves these runners are experiencing
@vinching92610 ай бұрын
It's also a solid prove for they're doing genuine runs in real time, also visualizing that adrenaline make the thrill of record runs more compelling
@Giraffleger10 ай бұрын
And the caffeine
@algorithmae10 ай бұрын
As someone with a heart condition, it actually makes me uncomfortable and anxious and kinda ruins it for me. I'd rather not see it tbh
@BassistDood10 ай бұрын
I can't imagine my heart rate being 180bpm and trying to hit ANYTHING frame perfect. I used to use a heart rate monitor playing PUBG on stream, and when it'd get to 165+ in the final circle, it was noticeably more difficult to aim well. Managing stress in a speedrun like this is an entire extra skill.
@Ray2568910 ай бұрын
When I'm coming back from a run, I walk for a few seconds and then try to run the last bit as fast as possible. Then I go up the stairs, in my room and immediately measure my heartrate, and it's never above 108. Maybe it's inaccurate, but I cannot imagine how insane a 165 heart rate has to feel, let alone 180. I definitely wouldnt be able to play there
@json_bourne381210 ай бұрын
@@Ray25689 You should definitely measure you rate IMMEDIATELY after sprinting; it'd be much much higher. Your heartrate drops surprisingly fast when you stop exerting yourself, especially if you're fit.
@hquwhjher10 ай бұрын
All I can imagine when going over that heart rate is going full autopilot mode or just wanting to collapse on the floor, not gonna lie.
@biggiemac4210 ай бұрын
Immediately after sprinting a 200IM in swim practice I once measured my heart rate to be over 200 but it felt almost surreal and all I could do at that point is rest
@nonsaline10 ай бұрын
180bpm is actually a huge advantage here because every 3 heartbeats is one frame so you can use your heart to time inputs
@aGameScout10 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Really appreciate the extra mile you went with all the stats and numbers, it helped contextualize me to the difficulty of the runs and how much of an impressive outlier niftski is.
@Kosmicd1210 ай бұрын
Yo! That's awesome to hear coming from you!
@TompaA10 ай бұрын
Amazing video! I especially liked your talk about frame perfect inputs. People usually hype them up quite often. Another point to make there is that a frame perfect input in SMB is 1/60 while in OoT it is 1/20, something also often overlooked... Good stuff!
@Kosmicd1210 ай бұрын
Yeah, i really could've gone on and on with more examples. I definitely should've mentioned framerate though!
@SapphyBlueMoon10 ай бұрын
"It's easy to optimize. You just run to the right and play optimally." If only that were this easy. 😂
@burns424610 ай бұрын
oh, thats all i got to do to set the WR, just run right and play optimally. piece of cake
@ProjectLunis10 ай бұрын
@@burns4246 just press the buttons right place, right time. I wonder why speed runners hype it up so much/j
@SapphyBlueMoon10 ай бұрын
@@burns4246 basically, that's really all it takes. It's just a matter of how well you run to the right. :D
@black_m1n82510 ай бұрын
The moment a Perfect SMB1 Speedrun happens, that person will be crowned The King of Speedrunning.
@mariotheundying10 ай бұрын
What if someone gets the world record on all main categories in sm64 and keeps the world records for like 10 months? That would be very impressive, that could also be one of the kings of speedrunning
@BradsGonnaPlay10 ай бұрын
@@mariotheundyingeyes on Suigi
@threehead9910 ай бұрын
And then Billy Mitchell sues because he is the King of Kong, and you can't use Mario without his permission. Also, you'd be a competing Kingdom and he can't have that.
10 ай бұрын
TASBot is already our monarch.
@EmpereurHector10 ай бұрын
It's very true. SMB Any% is the most important category. People outside the speedrunning community know about it. I mean, it's so iconic. And if it is perfected, there's only the possibility of matching the record. So if anyone gets it, they get that record forever! Forever ... barring new discoveries in the game that save frame rules or allow a faster 8-4. I'm not sure which one is more likely.
@luminousherbs10 ай бұрын
At the end of 8-4, his heart rate was roughly one beat per framerule!
@lo0ksik10 ай бұрын
frame perfect heart beat
@rolandverde877110 ай бұрын
But first can you explain what a framerule is?
@cordomum10 ай бұрын
i haven't delved into SMB speedruns for a long time, but essentially, any level in super mario is set to end on specific frames, which are multiples of some number. Say the framerule was 10-this means the level can end on frame 10, 20, 30, 40, etc. If you were to beat the level on frame 18, and TAS can beat the level on frame 12, you both still finish on frame 20 (since that is the next multiple of 10).@@rolandverde8771
@bxyhxyh10 ай бұрын
@@rolandverde8771 imagine a bus...
@rolandverde877110 ай бұрын
@@bxyhxyh 😁
@FuzzyJeffTheory10 ай бұрын
I couldn’t really understand this video. I wish someone would explain the frame cycles, perhaps with some kind of vehicular analogy…
@MQTate10 ай бұрын
I am a simple man, I see a new Kosmic vid and I clap my hands like a circus seal
@justabearbrowsingyoutube496810 ай бұрын
Man went ultra instinct with SMB! 😮 I gotta say, as someone who played this when it was first released in the 80s, watching and follow people all the way to this era find new ways to accomplish speedruns has been magical for me. Never thought all these years later, some would find new methods and techniques! This is amazing! I love how you showed the stats of everything! ⭐️
@idontwantahandlethough10 ай бұрын
@8:40 "and Niftski wept, because there were no more frame rules to conquer"
@Viral-Mage10 ай бұрын
Awesome video! Just a small heads up: the graph displayed around 18:39 is incorrect. 4:54.6 is labelled 59 but is only as tall as 49, and 4.54.3 is labelled 68 but is only as tall as 58. The error does make the appearance of 84 (which is the correct height) more dramatic, though.
@seams418610 ай бұрын
Good catch
@Guimaster12710 ай бұрын
This is it. There's literally just one last hurdle between us and the perfect run (up to current TAS knowledge). It's insane to think it might actually happen one day.
@KernelLeak10 ай бұрын
Ah, a Kosmic Jobst video - can't help but watch it immediately... :D
@jaakkopontinen10 ай бұрын
Haha :D yes, yes...
@zero_mendez937410 ай бұрын
Amazing video Kosmic, as usual. Thank you very much for clarifying that Niftski is the best because he puts the most work on, instead of having some magic talent.
@lookas17010 ай бұрын
he is very talented as well. this is a combination of hard work and talent. and talent doesn't mean anything magical, just very high potential
@OG_ArthurSlugworth10 ай бұрын
Wow. Too bad Billy Mitchel just showed me an old VHS tape he had saved incase anyone set a new record. He beat it 10 seconds faster.
@mengo329Күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm shocked that he learned how to unlock 15 frame framerules
@dillondelaney434710 ай бұрын
No pizza and coke???? No good
@TheMightyGiantDad10 ай бұрын
I love how implementing the hardest trick in the entire run caused Niftskis grind to be like... 20 attempts longer. Must be nice.
@ZykoMike10 ай бұрын
Ok… so let’s say you’re at a bus stop…
@ozzcoremidmx828710 ай бұрын
To think we are only 1/3 of a second from perfection is just... Mindblowing
@iambicpentakill10 ай бұрын
I mean, I personally am about one hour and a third of a second from SMB1 perfection.
@ProjectRedfoot10 ай бұрын
@@iambicpentakill DO IT
@stephnicole307810 ай бұрын
This was such an amazing video Kosmic! If you ever get a chance, I’d love to see a video going more in depth on what “frame perfect” can mean in different games like you discussed here. I found that part fascinating and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone really discuss it.
@mr_bobby_benny176010 ай бұрын
Amazing video Kosmic!!! Really hope this video does well
@talkalexis10 ай бұрын
you didht even watch it
@DaisyBallz10 ай бұрын
gawk gawk gawk
@PronatorTendon10 ай бұрын
Man I really cannot explain how hyped you get me for this game that came out when I was in elementary school. Thank you for your work
@HappyLeeHL10 ай бұрын
Great video. Having a consistency of 80% to 85% on flagpole glitch is crazy. My consistency of a single pipe jump like in 1-2 is less than 50%.
@bluelemon24310 ай бұрын
18:21 the graph looked so weird for me and ididnt knew why until i realised that the 59 colomn is one row too short lol
@LendriMujina10 ай бұрын
Niftski's number of attempts going down only seems natural to me. It's not like all of his previous runs' experience just disappears. Also, the number of FPIs needed to perfect up to 8-4 *being* 84 is just too perfect.
@CheesecakeMilitia10 ай бұрын
That frame perfect input counter was amazing! Would love to see an even deeper breakdown of each "frame perfect" moment and how many inputs are A presses, A releases, left, right, etc.
@ahedgehog187910 ай бұрын
Kosmic, thank you for being a dedicated legend for so long.
@krzysiek001isplitsecond10 ай бұрын
He makes this games' heart beating
@Bambani-tr7jw10 ай бұрын
Beautifully crafted video!
@turkey33910 ай бұрын
I love the Diddy kong racing music in the background. Good video!
@nothomebutnotreally378210 ай бұрын
4:26 I thought the world record for Dragster was 5.53 seconds set by the legendary Todd Todgers
@OTheFool10 ай бұрын
Can I just say - knowing your abilities so well that you can accurately predict something like how frequently you can nail an entire run near- if not perfectly, is an amazing thing to have, speedrunning or not. It's incredibly satisfying to see a master at work, one who knows their own skill so well even moreso.
@JoshWiniberg10 ай бұрын
With a heartrate like that it's like Niftski is trying to speedrun life.
@liam.2810 ай бұрын
any%
@MINE_OK10 ай бұрын
16:43 THAT MUSIC TIMING
@dogindagrass10 ай бұрын
this is, what? the fifth "BIGGEST milestone in Mario speed running history" video I've seen just from the record being beat, these are all incredible. Mario speedrunners are incredibly dedicated and I"m here for it!
@lol-gb5vt10 ай бұрын
This is truly the biggest milestone that will ever happen, and only one other milestone could ever be bigger, but that's a bigger jump than any milestone up until that point.
@lookas17010 ай бұрын
@@lol-gb5vt not necessarily, Mario speedrunning is much more than just SMB1 any%
@lol-gb5vt10 ай бұрын
@@lookas170 you're right I won't edit my comment so people can see what I said. With that being said I imagine something like low 4:53 in all stars is debatably bigger, but we likely won't see that much dedication to the game (ex 18:3x warpless) for a while after tas tie, considering many see any% as the most important.
@Kylora211210 ай бұрын
@@lookas170 But it's an iconic game run that still looks like the game everyone knows and it's quick enough that you can watch the WR run without having to dedicate time to it.
@zeross3910 ай бұрын
can't wait to see karls doing it too :)
@SomeGuy712x10 ай бұрын
(16:21) I like your use of the Strange Memories of Death track from Mr. Gimmick, and many of the beats seemed to be timed perfectly with some of the inputs, along with the end of the song's loop occurring just as the axe in 8-4 was touched.
@Dungeon4710 ай бұрын
12:14 This cannot be stressed enough. I wish every child was taught this.
@Margen6710 ай бұрын
Chickens need HUGS
@nivyan10 ай бұрын
They are, but they're also taught critical thinking and realise hard work doesn't always pay off.
@Awesomeplayer9810 ай бұрын
I love Niftski so much
@SilentDragonite14910 ай бұрын
Watching these videos makes me realize how little I actually know about these games I used to play. The Perfect Speed Run is just frames away! All we need to do is reach out and take it.
@Margen6710 ай бұрын
Dragonite needs HUGS
@lvparm8 ай бұрын
This was very well put together! Great watch 🎉
@TooIAssistedSpeedrun10 ай бұрын
If he perfects 8-4 it’s GG. He can take my job.
@RibamarGamer10 ай бұрын
Lmao.
@GriffinForte3 ай бұрын
You should actually make a tas that would be cool
@Okayryu5 ай бұрын
14:12 there are some long grinds, there are some short grinds. then there's kosmic getting a WR on his first attempt getting past the pipe clip
@1ted5910 ай бұрын
I can't believe the speedrun has 1 ted 59 frame perfect inputs
@grahamwilson884310 ай бұрын
Great video man! Thanks for demystifying the "frame perfect" trope and presenting the info in an organized and intelligent way. Five stars 👍
@Xnoob54510 ай бұрын
Wait, perfect 8-4 has already been done? Then we surely gonna get the perfect speedrun. Let's do this. (not me though, i suck at this game)
@Dimitri_gdr10 ай бұрын
The odds is 1/(300*1000) or 1/300 000 for Niftski so it's not happening now lol
@nothing926010 ай бұрын
@@Dimitri_gdrNiftski aint human tho This vid will be outdated next week😂
@Dimitri_gdr10 ай бұрын
@@nothing9260 😂
@EebstertheGreat10 ай бұрын
@@Dimitri_gdr Yeah he will definitely have to improve at 8-4 to get the perfect time. (Or get insanely lucky.) But he will improve, and he will continue to improve at 4-2 as well. So will Miniland, Lekukie, etc. I'm not sure if he or someone else will get a perfect run (and if they do, it's not going to happen tomorrow), but it's definitely possible.
@TF2Starlight10 ай бұрын
And that's not accounting for the nerves, 300k to 1 is through raw skill
@andrewdiles215210 ай бұрын
A lot of time goes into understanding the game well enough to make this information so digestible, bravo! Also, thank you for not including segments of yelled profanity when runners get a new WR. I expect a lot of viewers have kids - I tend to watch videos like this while doing dishes - and it's nice not to have to worry about my kids suddenly hearing that.
@PatrickDavis2810 ай бұрын
One more insane thing that I just realized: # of frame perfects in a 4:54.265: 84 # of frame perfects in a back 5 back lightning 4-2 (which Niftski has actually done): ~90 Obviously there's other factors to consider, but the fact that Niftski has executed something which has on paper a higher frame perfect count than an SMB1 any% TAS tie shows his insane consistency and capability as a speedrunner.
@vilanokaizo10 ай бұрын
There are peaple who have done 100+ mid air schel jump en that is 100+ frame perfacts so that dusen,t count
@nicocchi10 ай бұрын
This is such a great video covering an even greater achievement. Just one thing that wasn't particularly clear were the so called "frame rules". If only there was an analogy based on vehicular public transportation to help illustrate the concept. Hmm…
@nabstersm6310 ай бұрын
There are loads of perfect speedruns in nearly every game. Haven’t you heard of that guy named TAS?
@LARAUJO_05 ай бұрын
A perfect 8-4 taking exactly 84 frame-perfect inputs in the whole run is a hilarious coincidence
@ClayGravil10 ай бұрын
To really understand SMB1 speedruns , you gotta understand frame rules. I like to think of them like a bus stop at the flagpole.... (Channel your inner summoningsalt impression from here.)
@four-en-tee10 ай бұрын
"We did it, we perfected SMB!" "What do we do now?" "What do you mean? Now we can play the game."
@Roeming10 ай бұрын
18:43 I think the graphs are wrong, 59 is at the height of 49, and 68 is at the height of 58
@60710 ай бұрын
Nice video. I also like the use of the SMB35 level icons!
@MyBikeIsAwesome10 ай бұрын
Great video! I'm very interested in learning more about frame perfect tricks. Like, how humanly possible is it to really press or release a button with only a 16 millisecond window? Could you do a video on how speed runners pull this off, and how they become somewhat consistent at it? What are the chances of getting a frame perfect input? Mind boggled.
@cynicanal11110 ай бұрын
16 miliseconds is a lot more than you think. To put it into perspective, a guitarist, drummer, or pianist playing a fast piece is hitting windows about that tight on every single note they play. It's harder in a videogame context because you're not going at a steady pulse, but the raw precision is easily within human capability.
@JohnnyLeven10 ай бұрын
Stepmania has a timing window of 22.5ms for marvelous judgement. The best players can get all marvelous timing on songs with 1000+ notes. But 16ms is still much harder than 22.5ms and each one is different and requires unique cues unlike rhythm games.
@Lightningflamingice10 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyLeven There's also the added difficulty of not having a musical cue like in rhythm games in SMB. Your brain can anticipate when to press future notes due to their predictability and your ability to recall how the song goes, which saves you a lot more time then having to react to a purely visual cue (and a very minor one at that, there is no major difference in how the game looks before and after a frame-perfect input).
@lookas17010 ай бұрын
it's possible for players who have really good timing and reaction skills a talent they have and develop through practice to gain more consistency
@SeanCMonahan10 ай бұрын
Only 59 frame-perfect inputs? That's less than a second of perfect play required. Sounds easy!
@mycophobia10 ай бұрын
i was on the fence of whether it's possible or not to perfect this run, but knowing now by the end of the video that a perfect 8-4 has been done in isolation by humans tells me it's only a matter of time
@dr.phlosion748510 ай бұрын
I think this is once again one of the greatest analysis videos i have seen this year, thank you for that one and i´m happy for you that this Vid pops off Kos. Always been a fan, never gonna forget you ^^
@Margen6710 ай бұрын
Typhlosion needs HUGS
@KingOfJonnyBoy10 ай бұрын
23% at 4-2 and b3b IN RUNS really is something to see
@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn10 ай бұрын
Well, eventually, the top clip will be practiced, so 4-2 will then rise to 40%, 60%, 80%, 90%, maybe even 100%.
@KingOfJonnyBoy10 ай бұрын
@@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn no shot, I don't know if anyone other then Tole thinks it's easier, Im pretty sure there are more frame perfect inputs, and current lightning route is pretty easy to backup as long as you get the first wiggle.
@janmagtoast10 ай бұрын
If hitwindow alone would describe how hard a trick is, rhythm gamers would destroy speedrun competition. There're some player able to hit 700 notes across 2 minutes within 32ms timing windows out there (probably even better examples exist). But visual cues and a lot of other stuff plays a much bigger role than pure input precision alone
@Oceane180310 ай бұрын
Well hey, when speedrunners eventually find a strategy to make 4:53 doable (it might take a long time, but knowing the speedrunning community, it'll happen eventually), we know who will be the first person to actually pull it off. It'll clearly be a part of speedrunning history, and I'm glad I learned about 4:53 thanks to you, that way I can be there when it happens.
@Dimitri_gdr10 ай бұрын
Imo 4:53 will not happen, I think some tricky sections have been bruteforced so it's proven to not be possible
@Dimitri_gdr10 ай бұрын
I may be wrong
@LendriMujina10 ай бұрын
I got confused for a second because I thought you were referring to the video timecode at first. Then I realized I'm kind of a dummy.
@nothing926010 ай бұрын
Well, even the l+r TAS doesn't reach 4:53 (established since 2011 or so) So we would have to find a game breaking bug for this to work
@Oceane180310 ай бұрын
@@nothing9260 Yes well I'm sure it'll happen. How many skips that were once thought to be impossible were made possible years later ? No matter how long it takes, I'm convinced that it will happen eventually. We will have that game-breaking bug.
@MJIZZEL10 ай бұрын
Hey great breakdown kosmic. I got into speed running because of watching one of your world records. Probably kinda not typical of a guy in hus nid 40's i guess but i dont mind. With that said, i know my way around many different spotrts and speedrunning definitely reminds me of athletic competition, more similar to something like golf as your competing against the course in that sport but the similarities are there with the others. However, in sports or fighting, you will have outliers occasionally. Guys or teams that just seem to separate themselves from the other elites of the sport. Golf with tiger, basketball with Jordan, hockey with gretsky, mma with jon jones, etc. When that happens, you can do nothing but enjoy living at that moment. Enjoy witnessing greatness. SMB1 is experiencing that right now with niftski. Im still shocked that he had record pace with 2nd quest. Crazy.
@Benobot9910 ай бұрын
I still wish he would have the world record using a real NES controller and on an NES. It just feels wrong to see a keyboard and SMB.
@historylife443610 ай бұрын
Great video! Your documentary skills are improving quite a bit!
@bipolarprobe10 ай бұрын
One of the things I've never really asked about mario bros frame rules is how close to tas you actually have to be to make the perfect frame rule. I know it's 21 frames, but if tas makes the next fastest framerule by 2 frames, you can only be one frame slower and still hit the frame rule. Essentially I'm just curious how many frames of leeway does each frame rule level actually have to make the perfect frame rule.
@a_little_flame58910 ай бұрын
it depends on the level i know 1-1 has 15 frames of lee way i imagine like 4-2 though has like 5
@EebstertheGreat10 ай бұрын
Some levels are very tight. In 8-1 and 8-2, you can't lose a single frame with current strategies. (It's possible to play them a tiny bit faster, but that's harder, so runners don't.) In 1-1 you have 3 frames to spare with normal strats (and with a backup out of the pipe, you can lose another frame or two). I'm not sure about 4-1 or 8-3, but runners rarely lose time in those levels anyway except for missing the fpg, which ends the attempt. 1-2 and 4-2 technically have a little more wiggle room if done perfectly, but they are extremely hard to do perfectly, so in practice they are also very tight. In 4-2 in particular it's technically possible to save a pretty large handful of frames, like 16 or 17 or something, but only by switching to a much more difficult bump strategy and adding fast accels and a perfect turnaround (each of which is multiple tricky frame-perfect inputs). With normal strats, I think the best time you can get is something like 2 frames before the next frame rule. Those numbers for 4-2 are probably not exactly right, but that's the gist.
@RickSjoerds10 ай бұрын
I have played this game at day one. For servers weeks, maybe months, but seeing you guys do this with that “ol’ game”. It’s just amazing. Absolutely love watching the runs, seeing and hearing the knowledge being explained, the tricks being accomplished, the world records being pulled off. Great to see, thank you!
@TheHeartlessAlchemist10 ай бұрын
That Pop-off when he got the WR was SOOOOOOO satisfying!
@Psyql10 ай бұрын
NEW KOSMIC VIDEO JUST DROPPED
@ChamblesRNG10 ай бұрын
Still can not believe keyboard and controller is the same category
@CrimKing16110 ай бұрын
emulators have a setting that make it impossible to do anything you can't do with an original controler
@BuddyCorp10 ай бұрын
Great video! Good humour and timing, and fantastic music choices. Your production quality has gone up a lot recently.
@adamnorthey57110 ай бұрын
I respect the skill involved. although it being done on a keyboard should be in a separate category as you can put L+R inputs at the same time. grats tho
@Kosmicd1210 ай бұрын
The emulator does not allow L+R to be input
@adamnorthey57110 ай бұрын
@@Kosmicd12 well in that case gg to him. i take it back
@arkadyshersky870410 ай бұрын
17:43 Thank God, I was worried that the run wouldn't include a full frame-perfect second.
@colwellalec10 ай бұрын
That Home Alone speedrun had me cracking up as the runner is just dicking around and discovering things in the world record lol
@Scrimsion10 ай бұрын
👀
@EchidnaKida9 ай бұрын
God thank you so much not just for this video, but for using Prime's Chozo Ruins theme. Absolutely some of the best background music ever composed and it's such a vibe.
@MigueUgartechea10 ай бұрын
I hope I'm alive by the time someone reaches perfection
@user-hp6pj4sy3k8 ай бұрын
Kosmic thank you so much for that explanation of how "frame perfect" doesn't necessarily mean super difficult. I've been watching speedruns for a while now and I had no idea.
@mitchtaylor17710 ай бұрын
Doesn't it have to be on an original hardware controller? Like it is harder to do inputs using a controller over a keyboard? I'm not part of the speed run community I was just curious when I saw a keyboard so I am just asking is all :)
@mycophobia10 ай бұрын
if your keyboard is set up to have a 1:1 correspondence of key to input and L+R is disabled then it's equivalent to any other valid controller by the rules of the leaderboard.
@CrimKing16110 ай бұрын
@@mycophobia tl;dr through emulation settings, keyboard is unable to do anything a controller can't
@mycophobia10 ай бұрын
was my comment really that long...? @@CrimKing161
@chickenmaster387910 ай бұрын
18:30 Oh c'mon, you know exactly what you did.
@qballin152310 ай бұрын
I genuinely believe that one day we will see the perfect SMB1 speed run, and knowing speedrunners chances are that it will be sooner than we expect
@ioannisgiannas987510 ай бұрын
Not a real woman.
@Bulb13210 ай бұрын
6:14 perplexing pool is a banger
@FloydTaylor10 ай бұрын
he's using a keyboard. it doens't count. input lag identical. cool. you know whats not identical. using the awkward AF controller
@mengo329Күн бұрын
It does count because the people who are actually knowledgeable have researched the ramifications of keyboard use and came to a real conclusion
@Mermaider10 ай бұрын
Maaan!! What a video! So soo elegant and amazing. Thank you
@ericdanielski480210 ай бұрын
Nice video.
@talkalexis10 ай бұрын
you're first
@ericdanielski480210 ай бұрын
@@talkalexis Absolutely.
@colio50010 ай бұрын
I'm already seeing it a ton in the comments, but I musts concur, this was an amazing video. Your Niftski video was also really good. It's great to have someone so knowledgeable about the game show us how truly amazing these runs, and the people that perform them, are.
@XCATX2510 ай бұрын
The structure of the video is very good, the audio is good, the topic is very interesting even to casual, these videos should boom even more than this, it is weird
@goldenlongbow10 ай бұрын
The statistical outlier is awesome
@nathanphillips887410 ай бұрын
This was pretty incredibly put together. You've gained a subscriber! Well done.
@archie62489 ай бұрын
It's insane that's Niftski's run is perfect until the TAS reaches that EXACT thumbnail frame in 8-4. Great video Kosmic and can't wait for the next .1 barrier...
@HoganLegDropSoup10 ай бұрын
Man, sorry that you have a hard time getting subscribers. Your content is actually top notch. With almost every KZbinr out there I opened their videos in the brave browser to avoid ads, I'm purposely going out of my way to watch yours with ads and not skip any of them. You are awesome bro and you release garbage filler content. Everything that you put out is gold. You deserve more subscribers than you have and I'm subscribed to you on both of my accounts. Just keep up the good work man. I will see keep spreading the word as best I can
@AruthaSilverthorn8 ай бұрын
Very happy to come back to these any time the record does step forward. Can I ask for a video about proving more frame rules are impossible? Last I watched was mostly talking about how many frames would be needed, and we’ve since moved beyond that
@jasonspringfield482910 ай бұрын
You know, i find kosmic's hopeful outlook refreshing. There's a lot of people out there who say a game is dead in speedrunning the moment certain barriers are broken. To see soneone hopeful and happy for the end is nice. Keep on running kosmic, the finish line's there and I'm waiting for your smile
@skliws901510 ай бұрын
kosmic u really went all out for this one, great video
@kevinkostlan79347 ай бұрын
1/375 statistically means don't be surprised by anything between ~20 and ~1000 attempts to succeed. That's a HUGE range but statistics is more noisy than one would expect.
@Squizz1122210 ай бұрын
Amazing video as always, Kosmic!
@Walter_10 ай бұрын
Whenever LV.MINI did a perfect score in Sound Voltex during a konami official tournament in the final 1v1. Or when Zen popped out of nowhere and started taking down the best players in entire Rocket League. Or when paqoe beat Silent Clubstep, the most infamous impossible level in Geometry Dash. And now that JToH players finally take the thought of beating the "Tower of Spiraling Fates" seriously. I knew that it's only a matter of time before nearly all "Impossible" accomplishments we know will be beaten. Like i would even believe that in 50-300 years we could see people using robotic fingers or brain implants to improve performance. (Of course this technology would be highlighted in military or work at first, but i could see this happen.)