New Super Mario Bros. World Record Raises HUGE Questions

[@karljobst]

After months of deliberation Lekukie's run has been APPROVED by the moderators. I will provide a slightly more context in an upcoming video.

[@fairrodthecapacitor]

Karl, you are an absolute legend! Looking forward to that video!

[@juandavidaguilartorres3788]

What was the Dream 'situation'? Sorry for my ignorance.

[@zeroplays6566]

i dont wanna belive he cheated but he did and its sad but its the truth how the hell does someone get that lucky with 2 items in a speedrun

[@fairrodthecapacitor]

@@juandavidaguilartorres3788 he has manipulated the Blaze drops and Bartering chances because of the frustration of 1,16 is RNG heavy.

[@carsharking6511]

niftski arleady did a 4:54 from 4-2

[@SIMIFU]

He's not eating Pizza while doing it so it must be legit.

[@AlexiaHoardwing]

I dunno man, he didn't have a heartbeat sensor either, couldn't be fake.

[@WillHeritage]

I understood that reference.

[@drawingastickman8122]

I dunno, he might have coke.

[@albinosquirrelmpls]

@@drawingastickman8122 Coke you say? Time for a drug test.

[@SonicJ13]

The run is fake he took his hand off the controller for 0.00000001 seconds between levels so obvious it's fake

[@DBG2k]

Got worried when I thought this was going to be a video about Kosmic cheating 😂

[@entruh4520]

Same i got so worried

[@VarianAlastair]

No kidding...

[@matts.689]

Me too!!! phew!

[@cutchyacokov]

Knew that it couldn't possibly be but was still a bit worried.

[@thefriedchicken7]

I know, I was so worried until about 1:16.

[@kvarner6886]

Jeez, my heart almost stopped when Kosmic was the first to appear on screen, I thought this video may be about him. Phew.

[@_zoluz]

I almost shat my pants

[@haxalicious]

Same lol. Kosmic definitely doesn't seem like the kind of person to cheat.

[@CristalianaIvor]

Same!

[@demoniclemur2483]

Thank you for being the highest comment. I just started the video, and I was fairly certain this was just some background information on the world record (since I doubt Kosmic would cheat) but a part of me was still worried.

[@gressorialNanites]

Same

[@olive2184]

Update: LeKukie's run was verified yesterday. The mods voted, and the results were 8 people for yes, 0 people for no, and 5 people for abstain.

[@wizardwor511]

Damn this comment needs to be PINNED

[@huskerbusker]

Also he's actively racing for 4:54:xx vs niftski and miniland (as of today) and had some great runs going today

[@olive2184]

@@huskerbusker Yeah, it's going to be really fun watching them try to be the first.

[@huskerbusker]

@@olive2184 I saw Summoningsalt in the Twitch chat for Minilands latest WR and I think he was watching today, can't wait for the new video!

[@olive2184]

@@huskerbusker That would be great, but I don't think he has ever posted an update video before. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying I don't think it will happen.

[@oldbees648]

Doesn't matter, he'll never achieve the record on Bowser's Big Bean Burrito

[@elimarcus181]

you bet he god damn wont

[@thescrantonstrangler2188]

I have the record for Bowsers Big Bean Burrito

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

nope, you are just nitpicking and biased, i win, bye bye

[@indalecio539]

This is just like that party at Patrick Swayze's house.

[@DjentleBen1105]

Many people don't know this, but Bowser's Big Bean Burrito was the first *true* strand type game.

[@OmoiSenpai]

I feel like the guy who was a cheater in the past was really grinding for a win.... but him not wanting to show the tv connection was suspicious for sure. If I was a cheater in the past, and I wanted to redeem myself, I would of done EVERYTHING to gain people's trust, even if it meant to show cables, open up the NES, Controller, and even the damn TV itself it it meant it. Why he doesn't prove himself for the cables is kinda beyond me. Also, where is his timer at? 0,o''

[@jucalebre7540]

Justin Omoi exactly

[@lorenzolabanca5613]

Also dude you just got a world record push the fucking tv the table everything you are about to become a legend

[@superzigzagoon]

I remember hearing about a speedruuner in Yoshi's Island (I think) where a speedrunner had been caught cheating. He cheated using TAS and one of his cheated world records (he wasn't caught for at the time) he was told to do a move but he made an excuse which the other runners accepted.

[@juand.g.2602]

How can not showing the cables be a cheat if he proved he controlled Mario? What cheat can be found?

[@ogre589]

@@superzigzagoon I know which one you are talking about and if im not mistaken, it was also on a Karl Jobst video. Might have been one of the other Speedrunning youtubers like Ezscape but I cannot say for certain.

[@CasuallyShadow]

The amount of “Eating pizza” and “Drinking coke” comments are hilarious to me, and I haven’t even been watching this channel for very long.

[@damianosjawline]

I understand that reference

[@BlueRS123]

Badabun

[@TheTrueBrawler]

Not enough jokes about Lekukie starting his run already in second gear.

[@siin_07]

@@BlueRS123 Badabun TSSsss.......

[@atomicfloridaman2830]

It’s from a different fake run by someone who had no idea how the game worked

[@pinecone606]

One thing about the run that I think is worth pointing out: it's not actually *that* suspicious that he knew immediately that he tied the record. He's a top level runner of 8-4 specifically, so he would actually have a very good idea exactly how many frames he lost and how many he could afford to lose. I initially was sure it was fake but after learning about his background, how frequently he streams, etc I don't think it's super likely that he faked it. It's about as hard to have your hands perfectly match the game inputs as it is to actually play the game.

[@SirTylerGolf]

What helps even more about knowing his exact time is Bowser's pattern, which is unique for each frame bowser is loaded in, and identifiable in real time most of the time they can figure out their exact time without a doubt, the last 4 records had their runners know their exact time.

[@fasddfadfgasdgs]

this was what I thought of immediately when seeing he is a speed runner of the game and has done 8-4 speedruns like kinda weird that this video was being made to raise suspicion on the guy. it would be a different story if he was a known cheater.

[@Sotryn_Fox]

​@@fasddfadfgasdgs That's the thing. He wasn't a high leaderboard player. His personal best was 3 seconds behind the world record originally, which as noted in the video, is a pretty significant amount of time for this category. It also wasn't authenticated by the time that this video was posted so it raised the questions that the community had at the time about the authenticity of the run. Mind you, you don't need to be a previously known cheater to cheat a run. Time and time again plenty of people in speedrun communities have cheated runs while also being top-level players because they know the mechanics of the game better than most and how best to hide their cheating.

[@brianhuang666]

@@Sotryn_Fox but with a 8-4 IL record? that's like the most difficult level in the any% run that requires all the skills as there is no frame rule, you have to play the entire level as perfect as possible

[@jorami4838]

8:34 "he was banned from the mario kart ds community." Idk why I laughed at this lol

[@ricardoestevez4976]

“Your honor, the defendant has been banned by the Mario Kart DS community and is therefore untrustworthy”

[@awpandamia]

@@ricardoestevez4976 smh dont diss the mk ds community 😔

[@asdfhklljfztvvw3686]

He once threw a red shell at the admin.

[@majorBearsky]

@@awpandamia mortal kombat ds community i didn't know there was such a thing XD

[@jimmyz7218]

Ikr

[@renthegigglefox]

I'm confused as to how "it would be too difficult to show the TV cable connection" when it's literally two feet from the output on the console to the input on the front of the TV. This reaction, combined with the history of cheating in another game, makes for a highly suspicious set of circumstances indeed. I do hope, for LeKukie's sake, that his run turns out to be legitimate, otherwise he faces the very real possibility of being blacklisted from the RTA speedrunning community as a whole. If it turns out that, once again, he is passing off a TAS as an RTA, then maybe he needs to move to the TAS running community instead, where he can show off those skills in creating perfect theoretical runs instead of trying to cheapen RTA viability.

[@kristiankasamoen8854]

In Mario Kart Wii, we had a guy getting caught for cheating who moved on to set TAS records instead. Hilariously, he eventually started cheating his TAS runs as well, one example being when he edited the course to drive a frame through off-road without slowing down

[@raze_]

Who says it was plugged into the front? Some tvs have inputs on both back and front. His room is dirty af making moving the tv hard.

[@Montewtf]

@@raze_ you can see it plugged into the front at 11:54

[@TheMcClover]

@@Montewtf According to him, he had his N64 connected in the front, hence why it is 3 connectors instead of 2. The NES is mono and only uses 2 cables.

[@tyrannicalthesaurus4672]

I dont think a person with a poor enough character to cheat a run would suddenly start doing things legit if they just TASed. These people want one thing: recognition. They'll just find a new way to cheat runs

[@SlamBolts]

This is legit, he wasn't eating pizza and drinking coke

[@Yoshomay]

Yos

[@zol4996]

Badabun

[@tizzytank579]

Comment of the day

[@AphelDD]

Badabun gay

[@BubonicBarry]

Well I Gus that's fine then

[@EnnoMaffen]

For anyone interested and not already knowing. Niftski has indeed achieved the first 4:54 ever on April 7th 2021. It was a 4:54:948 to be exact.

[@CainXVII]

KZbin algorithm: you're into exposing speedrunning cheats now Me: (never seen a speedrun) okay

[@mjriemen]

I was thinking something similar... tha AND “Man I’m bored...”

[@thaurane]

I haven't seen been recommended a speedrun video in nearly a year yet this one just popped up. I hope it means google is realizing some of their arrogance that we don't like seeing promoted content and show us what they think we want instead.

[@johnwrath3612]

It did that to me a couple months ago. I don't give a flying fuck about speedrunning, but for some reason these videos are fascinating. That people care so much about shaving off literal fractions of a second from the time of an almost 40 year old game is bizarre to say the least, but weirdly compelling.

[@Avrysatos]

Welcome, you're now a part of the retro speedrunning community or something like that.

[@BonW]

@@johnwrath3612 I can say mostly the same. With me, I've only checked the world record speedruns on some games I really enjoy, just to see how skilled people can really be, such as Portal 2, Half-Life, and some of my childhood PS2 games. But then suddenly, KZbin started promoting a lot of these "speedrun exposure" videos, and I just think they're neat.

[@ASfdhgfhuhlkj]

Ties world record: ez "Show the back of the console": Sorry, seems too hard.

[@thecoffeeblackshow]

If you look at the console during that weak excuse he gives, you can see that the cartridge isn't even pushed down into the console. 11:45 is where I caught it

[@SecretSquaff]

@@thecoffeeblackshow Why isn't anyone else talking about this?

[@thecoffeeblackshow]

@@SecretSquaff ikr!!! That was the first thing I noticed while watching

[@pinecone606]

@@SecretSquaff because you don't actually need to press the cartridge down in an NES for the game to boot. This whole run is sus but not for that reason.

[@SecretSquaff]

@@pinecone606 read up on this a little and that's not true. You need to alter the connector pin to make it work without pushing it down. When trying to validate a run, maybe don't have an altered system.

[@PollyBonanzas]

I’d say that his deliberate refusal to show the cables should be enough to not let his run be counted. It’s fishy, on top of his shady past.

[@Skylancer727]

Nah that's not an issue for me, for me it's more the fact he was certain he tied the record and didn't want to retime it to see if he actually won WR. That suggests it was likely a TAS run he faked playing. Though if it is you need to prove his inputs don't 100% match up with what is happening on TV or the timing is off. If we can't though it's hard to prove as fake.

[@olive2184]

@@Skylancer727 He was certain of what time he got based on the direction Bowser moved and how many hammers he threw. Also, it should go without saying that two different cameras will run at two different things. The main thing is if the inputs he does show on screen, which they do.

[@Skylancer727]

@@olive2184 as far as we know so far. Not many are dedicated enough to watch a full speedrun pausing and rewatching to make sure every movement translates to his fingers. I will say I personally wouldn't bother showing the cables of my system either, so I don't think that's a good enough argument for it being illegitimate. How many of us have immaculate cable management behind our TV? I know mine is just a pile of wires. But the issue he is a know past cheater hurts him. Technically him moving from Nintendo games to other Nintendo games is very possible though the odds he recorded himself playing DS games all the time but Mario Bros a much more popular game he only streamed the one time he tied the world record is highly suspect. Personally my gut wants me to see he seems innocent, but I have a feeling he's just got it really well covered up.

[@olive2184]

@@Skylancer727 The mods actually have gone through to make sure every movement translates to his fingers, which just shows how dedicated the mods are. Also, he didn't just stream the one time he got world record, he has been streaming and archiving all his attempts, so if you wanted to, you could watch every attempt that he's done to try and get world record.

[@Skylancer727]

@@olive2184 yeah like I said, if it's fake it's a really good fake, but then again, him having real runs before one found to be fake is exactly what happened with him on DS. Makes it really hard to make a concise agreement on it without the urge to jump on one thing that sticks out. And you can delay the video streamed from the TV so that it looks like he's hitting the buttons so it's not a set in stone way to tell, though if course checking for exact timing in extreme tricks is hard as hell and going to be hard to notice even if he is faking it. There are ways for this to still be faked and that window always pops up more when it's a person who hasn't been posting their less fantastical runs. I'll take your word that he has recorded prior runs as personally it was something I immediately thought when they first used the claim "he's new to the game" as an argument for cheating. You don't know if they ever ran the game unrecorded and the whole argument was they never posted other runs. Purhaps they only post runs that were really good much like Gymnasy86 of the Zelda community only posts runs when they are new records or just really weird/ funny runs.

[@browniex5120]

- Timestamps - 00:00 Introduction 02:37 Skillshare Sponsor 03:31 LeKukie's "World Record" Tie And Skill 06:40 The Sudden Lost Levels "World Record" 08:21 LeKukie's Past And MKDS "World Records" 10:56 The Suspicious Approval 12:39 Niftski's New World Record And Timesave 16:27 The 4:54 Conclusion 17:53 Outro/Endscreen

[@KazeN64]

It does not matter how tight the rules get. In the end you could always make a TAS playback romhack and claim any world record for free while just pretending to play. It's not even difficult to do. You could even put in a button combo to go back to human input, then resume the TAS playback on the next level or something.

[@thewitheredstriker]

^^^^

[@telmnamm7549]

To do that you have to be very good at editing and you'd have to build up to it

[@Bro3256Films]

Anyone can fake runs at home but I'd say runners are considered legit if they can preform in a live event (not saying that would excuse some runners for potentially cheating in the past tho)

[@Amaraticando]

Bouncing between TAS and human might cause desyncs though.

[@avilesjuangaming]

@@Bro3256Films a lot of times the best players are the ones who cheat though

[@Viper-dz2kw]

Cheated or not, the admin asked him to do something and he didn’t, that’d be a DQ from me chief

[@robertoarmstrong7317]

Admin: “Do it again” Lekukie: “I tied rekkerd!”

[@Asidelove]

All he had to do is unplug the console from the back of the console. If the screen goes blue. Easy

[@charlessmith4057]

Asked him to do something and then shortly thereafter he covered the camera. How is anyone taking him seriously after that?

[@jerkface38]

@@charlessmith4057 i used to play blackjack with this dude who lived around the corner from me. He started turning around and switching cards in the deck. I called him on it but I just stopped playing after a few more times of that bs. Ended up getting way more out of him later on through his dad cooking me meals and such. That's karma.

[@johnsmith5139]

​@@charlessmith4057 his history of cheating and the atypicality of his word record were enough for serious suspicion and probably outright rejection. refusing to film the cable set up for no good reason (there would be nothing hard about doing it) when the admin asked him to is enough to discredit him entirely. frankly, though, if someone has been caught cheating records in the past--in any game--that should lead to being banned from any speed-running in any game if the player can be identified across games.

[@ሽ፞]

For me at least it’s quite simple, if you’ve got a bad history and you’re asked to provide further proof but you refuse then it’s clear as day something ain’t right.

[@Alex-gl8li]

He did provid more proof than any other speedrun, and the "lack of proof" is something that absolutly nobody ever ask Kosmic or anybody else to provide.

[@Excludos]

@@Alex-gl8li The reason "any other speedrun" doesn't need to have quite as high a standard of proof is because A: They'll have been in the community for a long time, are known figures, and would have produced tons of speedruns up to that point that would be really close, and B: They don't have a history of cheating. The fact that he provided further proof of legitimacy isn't "a nice thing to do" for him, it's required because of his spotted history. And he still failed to actually show all of the proof, only parts of it, while being asked by moderators to show the rest (and failing). The guy is either a grade A moron or is cheating.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@Excludos even tho i think that he isn't cheating, y'all that say things like this have a really fair point, it's just weird

[@ChrisStavros]

@@Alex-gl8li It doesn't matter if it's "more than any speedrun". After you cheat you're not entitled to jack shit in the community. If you don't want to fulfill any standard that the community requires of you, then you can refuse and always fall back on the default option which is fuck you cheater, get lost and don't come back.

[@CaliCosmicGal]

I am the kind of guy that believe people with bad history doesn’t mean they still are like it with their bad history. But each their own I guess

[@klingmicah]

Damn I didn't realize how close u can get to enemies without dying

[@danieldavid3766]

Hit boxes are smaller than they look in SMB1

[@suppaman12]

Bro I thought you were talking about actual life😂😂😂😂 But yea Mario stuff ok

[@Andrewbert109]

Oh man I know. As a casual gamer damn near everything these guys do seems like sorcery to me. Must be like dudes who like to play pickup games of basketball watching the NBA

[@strawb_short_cake]

yeah i find it so fascinating when people visualize hitboxes for enemies/obstacles not just bc of the size but also the shape sometimes! Before I rly understood the concept of hitboxes I would get so confused playing some games where sometimes you end up getting hit even though the enemy model didn't even touch you...and sometimes you seem to clip right through Rly fascinating to study for speedruns too, seeing how close you can cut certain corners to save time etc

[@TKUltra971]

1) He knew he was breaking a world record before the timer would even stop after finishing the game. In this video he's shown to do it twice. 2) Covered the camera while showing the back of the console connecting into the CRT TV. Even if it was "too difficult" why cover the camera? 3) Cheated before in the past 4) Touched a game for a top speed then magically never touches the game again? Not common among speed runners. Circumstantial but it reeks to high heaven of Bull Crap.

[@NyxTheBraix]

But as Karl said, all of that is circumstantial and not exactly damning evidence... This really is just a very complex question to answer as judges have to remain impartial and provide irrefutable evidence.

[@TheRagnel]

@@wateriswet0510 reading comprehension isn't that good huh ? 2) Out of subject, why does having a phone changes the fact that he covered the camera and didn't show the cables on the CRT TV ? It would actually be easier to show with a phone than a regular camera or webcam as well.... 4) He was talking about his "1st try WR" on The Lost Levels

[@moisesmontecillo7570]

Idk guy this seems just completely speculative and essentially without any actual hard evidence. Listen if he cheated then yeah that's obviously not good but to just speculative and to reach your conclusion based on feeling isnt very a good way to present and confirm. Your case.

[@zelk4962]

1: Experienced Super Mario Bros' speedrunners can easily know if they're on pace or not, and the hammers from bowser make it look even easier. 2: (Kind of?) Agreed. 3: You shouldn't say its a cheated run just because he has cheated years before. 4: There are a lot of crazy speedrunners who have been playing for under a year and are on the top of the leaderboard.

[@jonmayer]

Don't forget the proving he's not cheating over and over before being accused. This is what liars do, they over explain because they think it'll strengthen their case.

[@pvanukoff]

"Oh, it's too hard to show the cables." Riiight. Whether he cheated or not, that's ridiculous, especially when you know you're being held to a higher standard of proof.

[@autopsyturvy]

Exactly my thoughts too! He knew ahead of time that he'd be held to that standard and could've taken 5 minutes to prep for them to ask for cables to be shown. He knew they would; it wasn't like at that moment Kriller somehow decided that he'd ask for it and expect lekukie to show them without prior knowledge.

[@treyspiller3931]

@@autopsyturvy I mean he probably could’ve cleaned up the space around him to like throw everything in a corner so it’s just him the NES and the TV that’d be even more proof. But I mean either way having the N64 plugged in and a mess around the TV is definitely not gonna be beneficial for proving your legitimacy.

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

Yeah he had people reminding him in the chat. I would do everything in my power to show the back of the TV not just a 2 second attempt

[@Icetea-2000]

I think what’s happening is that alongside speedrunning evolving, speedrun cheating is evolving too in the shadows

[@rwold8779]

@@treyspiller3931 That's bullshit though, there was a certain list of rules that people had prepared for him in advanec. He should be held to THOSE rules. As Karl said, he complied with all that. You cannot have a situation where a random mod can invent new rules at the time of a record. They need to just be honest, and tell the guy sorry, we won't accept any record from you. Don't string him along with a set of modified proof rules, and then move the goal line at the last second.

[@magicmulder]

This happens offline, too. When Wang Junxia bested the women’s 10,000 m record by a whopping 42 seconds, people initially believed she had run one round too few. The current world record is another 30 seconds faster.

[@raven4k998]

cheaters are everywhere no surprise that there's are super Mario bros cheaters

[@fuzzywzhe]

Some dude will wipe out Wang Junxia eventually.

[@magicmulder]

@@fuzzywzhe Already happened by several women. That was my point.

[@raven4k998]

@@fuzzywzhe yes yes yes soon the cheater wars will begin dun dun dun!!!!!!

[@fuzzywzhe]

@@magicmulder Well, a dude will wipe that out eventually. Women are inferior to transgendered m2f in everything and that proven over time.

[@DarkIzo]

karl jobst: "lekukis progression is not typical at all. in fact it is..." me "not typical ?" kar jobst: " *a* -typical" me: woah

[@armandomanuli3604]

exactly

[@262ivanh]

That was pretty big brain of him ngl

[@slinkeepy]

Laughed hard at this X)

[@MetaVaria]

His unwillingness to show the cords after having a run rejected along with history of cheating leads me to think his run should be left in limbo

[@droplifter3435]

You'd think that he'd go over and above to prove it was legit. If I spent a few weeks trying something, let alone years, I'd want there to be no doubt it was legit. And that's separate from being or being accused of being a cheater beforehand.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

Yeah, my first thought on seeing that was that he could have rigged something to send prerecorded footage from a TAS to the CRT during the “run” itself but then very quickly switch back to the console video input prior to the verification. It’d be an absolute pain in the ass to set up, but it’s totally doable. Considering he already has history of faking runs...yeah, I’m not buying it. I’m just shocked he went through that much effort and yet didn’t think to 1) rig it in such a way so the splicer wouldn’t be visible from the back of the TV and, more importantly, 2) maybe do a couple of sub-record runs first so you don’t look incredibly blatant coming out of nowhere to tie people who have been running SMB for literal decades.

[@thesecretkey9845]

@@Nathan-kk6lb The fact that this is definitely possible shows that proof standards are, and always have been, lax.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

@@thesecretkey9845 Indeed. There’s way, *way* too many situations, even outside speedrunning, where people just don’t consider threat vectors like that because “why would they even bother doing that?” The thing is...eventually someone’s going to come along who’s smart enough to abuse it properly without getting caught. Streams can be live spliced with a video, demos can be pre-recorded, hand and face cams can be either pre-recorded or “lip-synced” with a video to allow for chat interaction, etc. The reason why people trust the big world record holders is because no normal person is going to spend hours upon hours streaming attempts for years only to turn around and put in this much effort to fake a world record run. Nobody has enough sanity to pull off a con of that magnitude for that long, even people like Billy Mitchell and Todd Rogers probably could have been caught earlier if people had taken the time to sit down and look over all of the evidence.

[@mickahelcote]

At 11:08 is it just me but when he's showing the controller and console the game cartrage isn't even pressed down

[@MrStevenWolfe]

If someone has a history of cheating, they NEED to be held to a higher standard of play for any other game they attempt. Show the cables connect, show EVERYTHING, because you already lied to *one* group, what's slowing you down from lying to another?

[@claudiodiaz9752]

Or maybe never submit anything ever again.

[@NoStereo]

Agreed, once a cheater always a cheater. I think everyone deserves to have second chances so I don't think banning them completely is fair (in most cases) but since they have already proven themselves guilty of cheating you can't presume them innocent of it any more.

[@jonmayer]

Trust is earned, not given. When trust is lost, it is very hard to rebuild. I know he could have limited technology, but maybe his runs are filmed this way on purpose. There is a reason people are questioning this run. Some cheaters may stop, but some will also try to improve their cheating by learning from their previous fails.

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

@@NoStereo and less if they get a world record in one speedrun like SMB2TLL tie the SMB world record that easily

[@HonkeyKongLive]

That's exactly it. I don't believe in just removing anyone from the boards if they can prove they did it legitimately, but their runs should only be accepted if all doubt can be removed.

[@aniisol]

I'm not even into speedrunning but it's so fascinating hearing Karl talk about it, so much effort put into this video, not to mention the players speedrunning. Cheers everyone!

[@Spectrik]

I know this comment is a year old but I'm sure you won't mind rewatching this video. I agree before these little documentaries I had little interest in speedrunning but there is a clear passion for the art and expertise that Karl brings to the table when talking about speedrunning

[@LudosErgoSum]

Lekukie just started the framerule bus in 2nd gear after every load screen to save a framerule

[@shinyagumon7015]

We are just underestimating the human element

[@wrath1785]

LMAO that Todd Rogers reference

[@Sjwatts]

Todd Rogers aka todgers

[@dimentiorules]

When I saw the title, I thought it was a world record for New Super Mario Bros, not a Super Mario Bros World Record that's new. Nintendo using the word "New" in their titles gets confusing.

[@Cloiss_]

KZbin's automated system for identifying games seems to think so too (at time of writing, the video has been identified to be about New Super Mario Bros. (2006))

[@marzipancutter8144]

Still waiting for New New Super Mario Bros.

[@szr8]

@@marzipancutter8144 Refurbished Super Mario Bros.

[@WolfXGamerful]

just wait until they name a game Super Mario Bros. World

[@Redditaurus]

@szr8 remastered remake of new New SMB or remade remaster of new SMB...u just enter a infinite paradox

[@sighkick6938]

It's clearly fake, he's not even eating coke and pizza.

[@Gomme_EXE]

eating coke lul

[@dooplon5083]

@ADayWithJake it's a reference a video of a guy faking a spliced run that ate coke and drank pizza between levels for some reason. If you haven't seen it before then here's a dissection karl did of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3fVgmSVZ8eVqas

[@wewserlethaldude9]

@ADayWithJake It's a reference to this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3fVgmSVZ8eVqas

[@lamegamertime]

@ADayWithJake No he's completely serious, it's in the rules you have to sip at least 12 gallons of coka-cola and 15 pizzas during your run or it's disqualified.

[@POINTS2]

Truely fake since he didn't even have a heart rate monitor.

[@damianelswick8828]

Karl, you, Goose, and Summoning Salt have given me a crash course in speed running and the community. While I dont run myself, I find these record coverage and content fascinating. Keep up the good work, and let's all hope for a remaster of 007. I might would join the community then.

[@tevani1]

That would be cool! And Perfect Dark aswell, and they should make a pc port for them. That would be the dream.

[@Seth_M-T]

How do you feel about the re-release of Goldeneye?

[@akitosorogoma2552]

I've watched the hobbit Speedrun video twice from mkarma, and have never once even held a copy of the game in my hands, let alone played it.

[@ScarecrowKeynes]

Thing i dont like is how the runner immediately yelled how he tied the record the split second he touched the ax. I feel like a normal reaction would be to take half a second to process what your time is and then be like holy shit I tied record. Seems to me like he knew what his time would be before he even got past Bowser.

[@snowthemegaabsol6819]

He knew the time from the bowser pattern. It's always the same if you enter on the same frame

[@aaronruf8421]

Pretty sure if you're that pumped on adrenaline your intake is much much quicker. Plus people can also be a bit hasty with their presumptions of outcomes

[@TaGF_Tomcat]

But when ur adrenaline gets that high, wouldn't reactions be high too? There's been times where I felt like I was reacting to things before they were happening n shit, yknow?

[@elliotgibsonroberts6672]

His chat was saying tied record aswell, he might've seen it there

[@BonW]

@@snowthemegaabsol6819 That's true. I mean, I would expect like a moment of shock or a slight delay from the realization that he tied the record, instead of reacting to it at the exact time they tied, but that's just my hypothesis and I'm not even active at all in the speedrunning community, so I can't really say what a normal reaction would be like.

[@gunsandroses896]

The "it's too hard to show the cables behind the TV" sounded like a prison inmate trying to hide the knife in his pocket.

[@GhostedGamer]

"why didnt you show the cables" "my tv is wireless"

[@rifath8152]

Fun fact: Prisoners don't hide stuff in their pocket. They hide them in their ass.

[@trajectoryunown]

@@rifath8152 Moral of the story: If you wanna hide something, it helps to not be full of shit.

[@Rabbit-o-witz]

It seems like the cables run behind that giang ass tv (these things are really heavy).

[@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989]

@@Rabbit-o-witz He had to have expected that this would be asked. He knows that the mod team are on his ass. Jumping from 88th to tied 1st suddenly definitely would necessitate that kind of proof.

[@tophatjones179]

Holy shit. For a second, I thought Kosmic’s run was in question. Good lord don’t do that to me.

[@RyanTosh]

Actually I believe it was fake, there's NO WAY he ran over that one block gap without jumping :p (The sad thing is I actually see these comments on his videos)

[@jenniferpruitt6534]

I love watching videos on speedrunning. It has become a science that one doesn't have to understand all the little details that go into it. I respect the dedication to all the players who spend many many hours perfecting their runs in a legitimate manner. God bless you all!

[@nisu_unn]

moral of the story - if you don't say "holy cow" at the end of a smb WR, you are not legit

[@SUPERFunStick]

Now I'm gonna be a world record speedrunner just so I can beat the WR and say "Holy cow fucking shit dicks!"

[@Radii_DC]

@@Mister_Clean **reaches hesitatingly towards a soft drink**

[@crowplexus]

he was brazilian tho

[@RegalPixelKing]

I'd say that immediately giving up on showing the the cables are hooked up to the TV and covering the camera with your hand are enough to make this run too suspicious when paired with the fact that he cheated in previous runs. With that said I feel like a cheater in a previous run should still be accepted in new games and maybe even the same game if they take all of the needed steps to prove that everything is legit. Also about emulation, there's nothing wrong with it, it should be just as accepted as somebody who plays on the original hardware as long as the emulator is accurate enough.

[@chinogambino9375]

The problem is it mostly based on trust in the runners and moderators at the end of the day. An emulator with no tools would be a start but then you could also have external applications running inputs. You could have a slightly laggy lower framerate hand camera for plausible deniability and do a very convincing mime act with pre recorded tas. It becomes a matter of priorities, the mods could go nuclear and demand specific set ups, cameras, live cam of the runner pulling AV cables out the back of their console killing their CRT feed at the start of sessions, requiring input dumps from emulators etc. However there's no money involved in this and its primarily for fun; making it expensive and oppressive goes against that. On the other hand losing competitive integrity robs motivation and fun from the community as well. Even if I agree former cheaters should be allowed to compete the simplest way to ensure the hobby can remain cheap and fun is not accepting former cheaters runs on the leaderboard.

[@merlith4650]

while you can argue about "second chances", it's hard to ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to a former cheater. by cheating they have already proven to be capeable of lying and deception. so how can you ever be sure if they have truly repent and become legit, or simply perfected their methods for cheating and deception?

[@zscout1288]

@@chinogambino9375 I think a cheater could be allowed in to a new community after a year or two after the incident. But definitely not right away. People don't change overnight.

[@zscout1288]

I watch it back in slow motion and noticed he was holding the phone in his right hand and he grabs the phone with his left hand and appears to be doing something with his right hand. While I understand that this alone doesn't prove anything I am baffled why he didn't at least try to show us the space behind the tv.

[@tylerhorn3712]

The problem with an emulator is that you can use save states. So beat a level, use a save then try to get a good enough time on the next one. As long as it's a different category it should be fine.

[@wasserungeheuer-918]

Well he was asked to show the cables going inside his TV and he didnt so no record. It's easy as that. Refuse to give a blood sample for doping test after the race? No gold medal

[@helloperson9445]

Honestly I would have just done another run and have the TV further from the wall so I could show them or just pull the tv away

[@masonverse]

To be fair his setup does seem kinda messy and he probably would have to move some stuff around in order to show the connected cables. Still he should have at least tried.

[@BloodShed4REAL]

It's more suspicious given the fact you can clearly see the composite cables are connected to the front of the TV.

[@4everdex]

@@masonverse as Karl stated this is one of the most prestigious speedruns in all speedrunning. I would throw my (shitty old 4/3) tv out of the window to prove it right.

[@roftar]

@@BloodShed4REAL Wrong, it's a RCA cable and not composite cable.

[@davich_]

"First ever run" and "First ever submitted run" are two very very different things.

[@CarlVercetti]

This has the same credibility of "my uncle works at sony japan and he got a playstation 6 but I can't show to you!"

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

🤣🤣🤣

[@XEpicGodX]

"My uncle works at Nintendo"

[@ThaAwesome10]

Not even close to comparable

[@benjaminshepherd610]

“Obliterated” “by 0.2 milliseconds” seems about right

[@jan_is_exist4296]

by 200 milliseconds after the previous record was by 100

[@alex2005z]

Yea not even close

[@avarmauk]

It’s 0.2 seconds or 2 tenths of a second or 200 milliseconds. Not 0.2 milliseconds. 0.2 milliseconds would be 0.0002 seconds.

[@benjaminshepherd610]

Y’all talking like its a big problem the point is its funny that it’s considered being obliterated as someone who doesn’t pay much attention to speed running

[@demturkeys1811]

It's like someone slaming dark vipers 100% record by like 20min.

[@ehrenloudermilk1053]

I find myself getting sucked into speed running history and lore these days.

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

Same! It's so interesting. I don't even speedrun myself.

[@Sumblefore]

Same. I just get recommended these videos and I love watching them

[@emilianozamora399]

"and lore" all you do is run a game fast lmao quit overexaggerating

[@southparkfirefly]

Same and if i'm totally honest I don't even really know that much about them just the bare basics of what they are lol

[@derwamper1258]

Started for me like 3 years ago, I can feel you 😅👍🏻

[@elkikex]

Niftski achieved 4.54 2 days ago, waiting on Karl's breakdown.

[@stickmanbrains]

"I can't show the cables in the back of the TV." Yet there are a set of RCA cables plugged in the front of the TV? Are those not the console? So then there's something else plugged into the TV. My thought is that there's another A/V source coming in the front channel of the TV (many old CRTs only had 2 RCA input channels, one in front (easy access) and one in back (hide the cables)) and that he's changing input sources from a recording to the actual live console. This can also be done without changing input sources on the TV itself if you have a switchbox. Some of us older gamers would have multiple consoles using RCA on CRTs you'd have a switchbox to change the inputs while still using only 1 input channel on the TV itself so you don't have to plug/unplug stuff constantly. There's a thousand ways to fake this and the guy not wanting to simply show the cables (and when asked by a MOD too???) in the back of the TV is a bit suspicious but I think his past of cheating is a massive red flag. There needs to be NO doubt of fraud on accepting WR position runs given that past.

[@Lionheartwolf135]

I only have these select clips to judge from, but its seems pretty clear that the RCA cables in the front are connected to whatever Android device he is displaying at the 6:14 mark of the video. I dont know enough about this specific LG TV, honestly neither do you, but I do know when it says Video 1 its referring to RCA cables. It also seems likely that this clip is a part of a much longer segment that literally shows him going through all his ports. There is a pretty strong chance he is using the RF adapter to plug into the Aux port in the back like most "older gamers" remember. I cant say he did or didnt cheat. Heck, expert moderators cannot, so I highly doubt you can, and I think its even more suspicious that nobody seems to mention how you cheat using a pair of RCA cables, or an RF adapter for that matter. If the button inputs match with his hands, and he shows that the game was responsive to impromptu commands that limits your options considerably. Its innocent until proven guilty for a reason, you cant ask him to prove he didnt cheat thats literally trying to prove a negative. The burden is on the accusers to explain how he cheated before assuming he did.

[@fabiii9954]

@@Lionheartwolf135 I dont think that innocent until proven guilty works in this circumstance since he is known for faking runs in the past

[@BokBarber]

Literally all he had to do was take the video wire plugged into the NES, unplug it, show that the picture went out, and then for bonus points plugged it into another source to show he wasn't pulling off some shenanigans. That would've proved continuity.

[@paradoxzee6834]

I think that might be another console, if you lool close there is a N64 controller next to a TV so who knows maybe it is a N64. Why I don't think it is a NES? It have 2 audio cables pluged in, a NES have only mono output, in theory you can have 2 audio cable plugged in the TV from a NES if you use an audio spliter but without it only one audio and videl cable

[@Shadowhawkdark]

I think the problem with 'showing the cables' is that proof that the NES connects to the TV isn't really the problem, it's proof of the NES being what was streaming that was the problem. They were probably hoping to see proof that it was hooked up to some kind of capture card in some way, which, while it isn't proof, it shows potential 'intent' to stream from the NES. Really, without seeing his entire room there isn't enough proof that he didn't just have a completely different screen running the game and TV/NES used for post WR fake proof.

[@fadasd]

Him not complying with moderator instructions even though he knew he needed far more evidence for his runs due to his history seems far too odd to me, I'd personally not be comfortable judging this run as legitimate.

[@MitchellD249]

Exactly how I see it. I could MAYBE buy his story about it being too difficult to show the cables if he didn't clearly proceed to cover the camera with his hand, what possible innocent explanation could there be for doing something like that in that situation?

[@ManabiLT]

Same, especially since he didn't even show the cables from the NES. I could see turning the TV around being difficult (although I'd have done it, because it'd definitely be worth it for the WR), but not even showing them from the NES is seriously suspicious.

[@SirTylerGolf]

@@MitchellD249 it's really easy to accidentally put your finger over the camera on a phone

[@SirTylerGolf]

@Mr. Grotto people can change, people change all the time, the mkds community has acknowledged that he's changed

[@SirTylerGolf]

@Mr. Grotto the moderators don't even have a final verdict on the run yet

[@jmtrad1906]

Hard to believe a cheater, especially if he refused to show the console connected to the TV.

[@krzaq666]

And there were audio/video cables connected from the front, lol

[@Abolish_The_S-N-T_NOW]

But you can see component video cables plugged into the front of his TV?

[@Abolish_The_S-N-T_NOW]

So who's RGB cables in front right of his TV are for something else? (Does the Nintendo connect TV aerial coax then)

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@@Abolish_The_S-N-T_NOW It means following the cables connected from console to TV without interruptions, and showing that the TV is set to display the output shown. Edit: to be clear, there are still ways to cheat even through this, but that goes for every verification method. It's impossible to prove 100% no cheating but the point is to get as close to that percentage as possible.

[@robbiestrong-morse730]

Yeah but he would need to have done some extremely elaborate stuff and people can change.

[@hanro50]

Here's the thing if you look at his hand movements and the frame data from those hand movements and they match perfectly one to one. With the expected delay between a button press and a character reacting And the physics behaves as they should...like to pull that off while using a Tas. Its just tbh... At some point it becomes easier to pull it off for real then to cheat.

[@pixesukola764]

Seems legit to me. Breaking the WR is easy, pointing the camera at the cables, that's the real challenge IMO.

[@tropickslol]

I have a lot of practice in the cable community, and, having multiple wr runs in pointing my phone's camera at the back of a tv, I can confirm that I do indeed hold the world record, whatever that may be

[@jonathonellis5604]

Especially if said tv is either hung on a wall or even close to a wall, you have to shift the entire TV Which if your playing on an original NES means one of those Brick TV's with the AVI's and those things weigh anywhere from 2-5 kilo's

[@heckno15yearsago]

@@jonathonellis5604 True.

[@VentA_7]

Look at his CRTV and the small gap he tried to go through

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Neither are easy

[@JamesEvans-ow1wc]

10:50 3 major issues: -The cables area was obviously a mess even aside from being dark -The hand over lens was hilarious -The controller left the screen long enough for a swap

[@NoeLPZC]

4 - The game isn't depressed in the console!

[@FastIdiotBoss]

@@NoeLPZC Not making a comment with regard to either side of validity, but just pointing out to you as an FYI, the game doesn't need to be depressed in the console. It will still work perfectly normal. There are also new connectors like the Blinking light win which replace the traditional 72-pin connector where it's impossible to depress it.

[@SirZanZa]

@@videogamepolak0 depends on your country.

[@JamesEvans-ow1wc]

@@videogamepolak0 @VideoGame Polak bingo. Any serious speedrunner would have a clear and simple setup. Combine with the fact he's cheated before and viola

[@allenbot]

he connects his N64 in front and the NES is connecting to the back of the crt. he didn't cheat, it's impossible that he didn't play the run. it's just how we are gonna deal with verification of this time.

[@Melsharpe95]

"It's fake, mon." - Hermes Conrad.

[@GPowtlaw2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@waffleyumboyr5342]

Futurama is awesome and you're right

[@jakefingerrr]

Can you imagine if professionals in the criminal justice system had half as much patience or thorough research of the people in question as these speed runner mods do?

[@Garde538]

They do

[@arnvn2923]

I really love how you pointed out that it is ok to play on emulation based on the rules (if mentioned by that specific game being speedrun) because of the limited sources for just the game and cartridge. I really think the separate category for the original and emulated is fair just to lessen the conflicts between them. Lastly, this would motivate new speed runners more because they won't get discriminated for using an emulator.

[@hobblesofkarth3943]

if karl has taught us anything its that speedrunning mods are TURBO NERDS. If the mods say it's the same then it's the same.

[@TealZero]

It just occured to me the SMB speedrun is faster than the Sonic the Hedgehog speedrun. Truly, irony.

[@cattysplat]

Sonic levels are pretty big and have lots of verticality as well as spike and spring traps, you can't just run from left to right outside of green hill zone. In many ways Sonic 2D games actually require more precise platforming than Mario games.

[@spogmole]

@@cattysplat but sonic is fast tho

[@Arm_Kombat]

BLAST PROCESSING!

[@TealZero]

@@cattysplat By this logic, Mario levels are very wide, and have many pits and enemies that can kill you in one hit. In many ways the original Mario games require more skill and practice than 2D Sonic Games

[@blackcatdreams2011]

@@TealZero Both require the same amount of skill, but in different places imo

[@187Streak]

Who is this cheater that tried to steal SMB WR from Badabun?

[@CraftIP]

not again that demon of the past is defeated

[@AlexiaHoardwing]

He wouldn't look nearly as cool when playing either.

[@stolenmonkey7477]

Everyone

[@ordinaryyoutubechannel582]

At first I read "New Super Mario Bros. World" as one game title and I just thought, yeah, that seems right.

[@MisterTipp]

The World Record is in another castle

[@RapideWombaticus]

Nice

[@mrpndaman129]

Ha

[@collinrogers4742]

Nice

[@deez2037]

LMFAOOO

[@deez2037]

@@mrpndaman129 Lmao love the username and profile pic tbh! :)

[@strawhataddison]

In a trust-based community like speed-running, you probably need a zero-tolerance policy for known cheaters.

[@jaromchristensen5598]

@@zagorsaxe I disagree with your analogy. The reason we should be more careful with criminals is because the consequences of being falsely accused as a criminal are much more dire, potentially losing years of your life and any hope of future employment. The consequences of being falsely accused as a cheating speedrunner isn't going to ruin anybody's life. It's much better for the community as a whole to be able to trust runs, instead of having to prove a negative every single time someone breaks a record.

[@mymindworks6625]

@@jaromchristensen5598 your own point just collapsed on your own argument has it not? We're in 2020 dude, streaming and speedrunning can be considered employment due to the income it can bring in. If you're going to go complete cancel culture on a young person for accused cheating, then aren't you potentially ruining a future employment oppurtunity if it's zero-tolerance? The memes about GDQ, the left and the speedrunning communities are all conveniently and unironically wrapping up in a tight, but loop holed bow with these opinions that are being shared.

[@jaromchristensen5598]

MyMindWorks bruh...you know it’s not the same thing. To not accept a cheater’s speedruns as valid vs literally putting a person in jail. Come on, man. Chill.

[@mymindworks6625]

@@jaromchristensen5598 nd holy shit I didn't even fully read your last part. Again, the way you ironically, conveniently represent the memes of speedrunning communities is priceless. You do realise some of the biggest cheaters, are also the biggest and most popular players? Watch a few videos on this channel and you'll realise a runner who has been 2nd or 3rd place running the game for years, loses out on WR due to rng and then eventually cheats because they felt "they deserved it" is not a one off thing. Doom & Goldeneye this has happened fck loads of times. Going by your suggestion of using trust and going by the word of "trusted" players is what leads to corruption. Use that practice in other industries, see where it gets you. It's the same way the Police get biased support in the courts, even though that officer may have truly committed an offence. But "he's an officer! He'd never lie!" Is no different to "but he's 2nd place for 3 years! He'd never cheat!" Fair trial for everything and everyone. And in this mans case, sure get a few extra people on Jury.. But to prosecute an ex-con on a seperate accusation before a trial is even heard? (I.e, to outright ban one previous cheater, before even being given a chance) inconsiderate, lack of function, and deeply hypocritical.

[@Luizfernando-dm2rf]

​@@jaromchristensen5598 Well, this argument can be made to "real" society aswell, less criminals are good for everyone, so it would be more efficient to just punish everyone that gets accused, right? Well... there shouldn't be something like punishing a innocent person for collective interest, no matter if it's better for the community/society or not. The reason why we need to prove someone guilty is because of ethics, it's wrong to punish someone for something they didn't do, be it a murder or a fake run.

[@GhostedGamer]

"why didn't you show the cables" "my tv is wireless"

[@scriptedjava265]

Mobile phones:

[@captaintoad5421]

@@scriptedjava265 Ah yes, because many play a near 30 year old game on their phone.

[@scriptedjava265]

@@captaintoad5421 ah yes, because everyone plays for World Records

[@quagmiretoiletgaming]

@@scriptedjava265 what

[@byohndz400]

when he was showing the controller and had mario on the screen, the cartridge was not pushed down?

[@CrabbyCrab101]

The run just got verified, this is gonna be interesting...

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@Jim Jones don't worry, he is

[@D_YellowMadness]

He deserves the hate. He said showing the cables would be too difficult while standing right there holding the camera almost facing the cables & then he covered the camera. 100% chance he cheated. There's literally no other possible reason for that reaction.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@D_YellowMadness no one deserves hate lol. Yeah you can believe he cheated but giving him a bunch of hate is really dumb and kinda stupid.

[@iceicicle3046]

It got verified because he didnt cheat

[@iceicicle3046]

@@D_YellowMadness WHAT WOULD SHOWING THE CABLES DO?

[@BomazXD]

I love how he doesn’t hype up to the fact it’s fastest he has done while getting up to end and at the end he knows it’s tied straight away.

[@meanfaceearl2]

Because of the bowser patterns and you can’t see it but they have a timer

[@CastafioreOnYoutube]

As a note, that type of thing is not uncommon in legitimate speedruns. Many games have emding sequences or sections that are basically fixed at the pace which it can be done. I'm not sure how much that applies to this variation, but in many runs you can usually tell before you clock in your time what your final time will be.

[@TheMcClover]

That is editing. Karl is only showing the last 6 seconds of LeKukie's run.

[@mauer1]

Yes, especially in this mario game the bowser patterns are based on the the time. So if the run is like perfect and the bowser patterns lign up, you just know it is tied. Because to have it beaten you probably need some additional tricks to use.

[@123natemans]

A mod asked him to show the cable and he didn't. That's enough to deny the run imo. But this also shows that even stronger methods need to be put in place to prevent cheating.

[@tyhy1]

If it's not in the rulebook, he doesn't need to do it. Moderators can't just start asking (rather, tellein/ordering) for stuff that's isn't a requirement. Same for cops. They can't just arrest you for stuff that isn't against the law.

[@123natemans]

@@tyhy1 But this isn't a legal issue, it's a speedrun leader board. Rules can be amended if it's within reason and there should be no reason he would refuse to show the cable.

[@CuulX]

@@tyhy1 he doesn't need to do it, true. But the mods don't have to accept his run either. Everyone is free to do as they please. The mod didn't hold a gun to his head snd didn't deny the cheater his rights. Being accepted on the leaderboard is a privilidge for those that voluteer the reasonable evidence it wasn't cheated, not a right. Not a good comparison to cops.

[@tyhy1]

@@CuulX if he doesn't have any rights to be included than this entire video is a moot point. All these comments don't matter, neither yours nor mine. But still you felt the need to respond. As to the comparison to cops and the law, I think it is a good comparison. Moderators just like cops pay attention if the rules or laws are being followed.

[@tyhy1]

@@123natemans Did they amend the rule and applied it reteoactively?

[@vanillarice6163]

Cmon he was hiding his hentai stash behind his wires he’s obviously not going to show them

[@thermometerman1824]

@@Merluch 0 likes, 1 reply

[@TheMagic1412]

Well they have 3 comments now

[@retrosampleguy]

@@TheMagic1412 now there 4 comments lol

[@yadirahernandez6368]

No 5

[@Desmk2312]

Now 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 (nice)

[@slacktivism05]

Who came back here after Karl's new video? I like that Karl decided to make it clear that he didn't mean to allude to the fact that he was cheating and decided to correct himself and tell the KZbin comment to chill down cause commenters are usually just very trigger happy to call someone out.

[@devinhigoy221]

I did, looking back at all these comments, people just assumed the worst before looking at the full picture. I bet most people who watched the video didn't actually know who the speedrunner was before the video.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@devinhigoy221 Or how the game actually works

[@jojolafrite90]

What's wrong about saying your intuition shouts to you that he's a cheater? My intuition is kicking my ass about it.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@jojolafrite90 you should watch Karl's most recent video, where he talks about speedrunners who were accused of cheating. He talks about this situation near the end of the video.

[@maskofboom1067]

@@jojolafrite90 nothing wrong about that. It's wrong to assume that your intuition is automatically right, without even asking or doing research on your reasons you think he cheated.

[@Serzha]

"I tied world record" basically as he hits the finish line? That sounds incredibly sus. Usually you'd need at least a second to check the time and confirm if it's the same as the world record... (Didn't see any other comments on this.)

[@benikujaku4567]

The thing is‚ the last section is basically hold right‚ so you can check time a little bit earlier and still be accurate (lest you screw Bowser)

[@Sawyer-mr8bf]

the way bowser jumps and throws his hammers determines the time of the run, he noticed the bowser pattern and new it was tied record

[@MetaKnight68]

Saw a post explaining this earlier but can't find it now; basically because of SMB's framerule timing and incredibly optimized/scrutinized patterns; you'll be able to tell going into it if you have a perfect Bowser. Only sus things in here are his history and non-compliance with the TV cables request. Those in tandem should be enough to deny the run.

[@an_wobbly]

@@benikujaku4567 yeah, if you're on pace and you know it, you can just use the topright timer.

[@merl_]

He could tell by the bowser pattern he got. That isn't suspicious at all.

[@werdwerdus]

if they clearly outlined the proof expectations ahead of time, including showing the cables connected, and the expectations were not met, then the run cannot be accepted

[@kaiseremotion854]

i believe the cables connected wasnt in the original expectations, but was asked on the spot. though he probably should have tried harder (if he is being truthful idk i like giving people the benefit of the doubt)

[@Frilleon]

They didn’t outline that for SMB1, but it’s an obviously fake run. Nobody stops trying to prove their otherworldly run after 2 seconds of trying. It makes no sense.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@Frilleon if someone legits gets a good record out of no where then it make sense that they would prove it more than an known good player would as poeple would naterually be more skepitcal

[@carteljameson8395]

@@windows95leon Yeah, I actually agree with this. He complied with all the rules. Even if showing the cables is really a simple request, that wasn't part of the rules they set for him. I blame the mods for this situation, whether he cheated or not.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@windows95leon he did the a button test as well so he did the exact things and more

[@VeritasGames]

Interesting - I always figured part of the difficulty of the old console speed runs was those janky controllers... Never thought about emulation... I suppose it makes sense that if the community/experts say its comparable/fair, why not?

[@obvfw]

SNES controllers? Janky?

[@mrtree1368]

Better git gud with controllers

[@shannonnezul4903]

Fancy seeing you here PMC.

[@Animericashow1]

I find requiring the physical consoles, controllers, and cartridges to be a very hard form of gatekeeping. It would be extremely difficult to break in as anyone new to the scene without lots of leg work and money spent. I would certainly find it heavily discouraging if it was something I had an interest in.

[@Grommish]

@@Animericashow1 Most communities have an emulation category, separate from console or cabinet. It keeps it about the skill and makes a direct comparison possible. Comparison between architectures isn't a fair compare.

[@MalcolmCooks]

doctor: you have 5 minutes to live speedrunner: phew, I have enough time to play super mario bros

[@danielpearson5852]

"I tied record?" Has " is that a supra?" energy

[@JimbozGrapez]

In the major communities I have full confidence in the mod teams to decide if emulation is or isn't okay. I mean jesus, these guys put out 30 page essays just to tell someone why their speedrun is accepted or rejected. These mods are doing like actual rocket science for speedruns, I trust they know what they are talking about when it comes to emulation.

[@LeNoir679]

I agree, was about to say the same thing!

[@ZorotheGallade]

The even more impressive feat was that with the hand-cam on at all time he had to eat his pizza with his face alone.

[@vladdtronnz6924]

I laughed so hard imagining the pizza slice taped onto his face and him just chewing away

[@elliotgibsonroberts6672]

Maybe with his toes?? I'm sorry

[@RDRJJ]

Or he had someone feed it to him. That or he has a hidden 3rd arm

[@caleb2547]

about your emulation question at the end. The way I see it, emulations provide a way for many more people to be able to take part in a challenge, weather it be on their own leaderboard or a joint one doesn't matter to me. As long a sufficient proof would be shown while using an emulator, I think it should be valid!

[@wruzzer]

i'd even say an emulator iis better, because you can use specific emulators for speedrunning that log your inputs. easier to verify. at least that is what i'm thinking. not a speedrunner myself.

[@AngelaTheSephira]

@@wruzzer The problem there is data integrity. I could, for instance, modify the input storage file before submitting it.

[@mariocamspam72]

Well it's objectively invalid if the emulator isn't accurate enough to not provide unintended unfair advantages

[@Spectrik]

@@AngelaTheSephira true as with doom speedrunners cheating through demo editing

[@trequor]

​@@AngelaTheSephiraIt seems like it would be highly possible to build an emulator that does not allow this. Or at least logs it to an external source. This isnt 2008 anymore

[@Xetaas]

I was scared for a second, I thought the video was about Niftski’s record

[@jatloe]

same omg

[@Eyedunno]

ditto

[@DarnokPL]

same, eh (now I feel sad)

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@DarnokPL why?

[@DarnokPL]

@@ThaAwesome10 I feel sad because of my disrespect :P

[@Ultrawup]

My money is on "fake". All of that circumstantial evidence, plus known history of cheating by trying to pass off TAS runs as RTA, plus playing back on a CRT instead of getting a capture card (a known way to mask TAS playback by using the CRT quality to obfuscate details that would give it away), plus him refusing to show the back of the TV and console when specifically asked to by a proof moderator... No way that it's legit.

[@itsFODDER]

Karl actually had a talk with the guy after this video. It actually seems he's telling the truth now based on everything he said in his response stream.

[@nileyridingus6752]

@@itsFODDER Source?

[@NaanosVEVO]

@@itsFODDER nice try lekukie

[@itsFODDER]

@@nileyridingus6752 Karl was actually IN the stream talking to him while this was happening. By the end of the whole thing (several hours), Karl leaned towards believing him. And he made a LOT of good points. You can find all of this on his channel. You'll see Karl talking in the chat during it all.

[@nileyridingus6752]

Link plz

[@mythicalmatt1805]

As soon as he said “learn a new skill” I knew EXACTLY where it was going

[@OW0974]

I literally said 'Hi there skillshare'

[@travellingshoes5241]

@@OW0974 That's the one downside to his channel. Every video is great but it feels more and more like the promotion part is becoming the main purpose for putting up the video.

[@Flaruwu]

@@travellingshoes5241 ah yes, someone trying to make a living is an issue now.

[@SonicMaster519]

@@Flaruwu That’s not what they’re trying to say at all, please reread their comment

[@DaveDurango]

As an outsider to speed running, anyone caught cheating should be banned from holding any records in any official leaderboards.

[@Ender41948]

I think that's a bit of a nuclear option. People CAN change. I do, however, promote scrutiny and skepticism for past cheaters.

[@SirTylerGolf]

Why would you ban them from the records only? Considering every time but the records doesn't make sense

[@xxEzraBxxx]

@@SirTylerGolf A record as in preferring to a personal record

[@DaveDurango]

@Fugp Basis It depends on the level cheating. If you FIX and an entire sports game, you're most likely never going to be involved in another game again.

[@ThaAwesome10]

Ah yes, I will get second place runs ez for days and they will be verified. Uh oh, I got #1, my run was rejected!

[@VideoGameVlad84]

I was confused by the title. New Super Mario Bros record? Super Mario Bros record? Super Mario World record? Super Mario Bros World Record? I was the one raising huge questions.

[@Mixa_Lv]

Yeah, the title could use some punctuation or different wording.

[@xenon2561]

* New super mario bros world

[@VideoGameVlad84]

@@Mixa_Lv New 'Super Mario Bros.' looks better, right?

[@VideoGameVlad84]

@@xenon2561 Sounds like a bootleg game, haha.

[@willthompson925]

I actually speedrun New Super Mario Bros. , the DS game so this title was incredibly misleading and I got excited when I read the title. Our WR holder hasnt done anything suspicious lol

[@clutchspells2804]

"Its to hard to show the cable" Is it? He knows why the moderator was viewing with scrutiny and wouldnt adhere to a simple request. Any person that just accomplished something of this magnitude would do whatever necessary to protect their achievement, he didnt, because he couldn't.

[@clutchspells2804]

@Dralliance 9,000 it was not a serious question. I guess you didnt catch on to the sarcasm. How did you liken showing cables to diving off a building. I dont think your brain is functioning correctly.

[@shanoc5902]

@Dralliance 9,000 Something that sticks out to me, if it was so hard why not talk it out with the moderator? We know from his reaction he believed he tied world record immediately, he knows that he's not only been caught cheating before, but had his times rejected for this same game (though a different category) with the stipulation that he'd have stricter verification going on. A moderator asks for something, he first claims he doesn't know how to record it, but he doesn't give anyone a chance to tell him how, he tries it himself very briefly declares it too hard, and just stops the camera. He doesn't ask for another way to verify things, he doesn't sit around with the camera waiting to try to talk things out, no bargaining, no anger, no frustration, exasperation, anything. As we saw from the jump verification stuff, there was a dialogue going on before, but as soon as something is asked that's too hard the camera is covered up, by hand (which he didn't need to do to carry it around before or point it where he wanted it). I get that there are requests that go too far, but I'd expect him to start arguing (even if out of a sense of eternal persecution) with the moderator instead of ignoring them since these are the people who make the rules about what's allowed and not, and he had first hand experience in getting rejected over petty stuff. We didn't even hear him say anything about how he's done with this, as soon as he said X is too hard he goes to cover up the camera.

[@jatloe]

He just didn’t feel like it. He shows it after every choke now.

[@ggwp638BC]

Yeah, it is. How do you move a 29' CRT TV, with one hand, with little room to move in, to show the cables behind, while holding a camera? And there is no "Oh, just put the camera elsewhere" answer, he wasn't prepared to do that kind of setup, since that request was made on the spot by the mod, and wasn't a requirement, and if the camera was off him for a second, people would simply claim he swapped the cables.

[@clutchspells2804]

@@ggwp638BC you would use 1 hand to turn it, given the wood tables polished finish even a small child could accomplish this with 1 hand. I have owned enough of them to know how they move and the strength requirements. If you had to pick it up that would be very different. Or you could walk around to the back, or you could grab the cables on the back of the NES and pull them tight to reveal they are in fact connected. You could stick the camera back there. There are so many options that are better than not trying at all. He needed a higher standard of proof, he knew that, he should have complied. He is a known cheater and knows he need to jump through hoops to get anything verified.

[@captainrick4513]

Were the chances of him winning that fast "1 in 7.5 Trillion?" *Haha, Dream meme.*

[@needstoast]

@Kadir Garip it’s impossible I could literally be a dragon that has a mission to kill all humans than dreams speedrun being legit

[@Kasiarzynka]

@Kadir Garip by being born you, a conscious being in your very body, you just won a race that was only about 1000 times more probable than that, checkmate. I don't even know, man, I just did some ridiculous "math", similar to that proof that 1 = 0, I'm not even a Dream's fan, lmao.

[@DamageMaximo]

@Kadir Garip Nah, it's not needed, Dream already proved he didn't cheat, live with that

[@DamageMaximo]

@Kadir Garip Wow looks like you're the one bringing up stupid teaching to the table, how ironic haha

[@MihaelGeng]

@Kadir Garip You just met a live brainless Dream's stan over there lol. At the current state, even Dream's stans might well think it'll be too bold to staight hard defend him 😂

[@Sianostrakarenrenren]

I honestly want to get super good at a game, swipe a world record, and submit it as a nobody just to make people freak out and accuse me of cheating.

[@10thletter40]

People talking about how he didnt show the cables, but I think its more sus the dude doesnt submit any run other than like close to the top

[@internetguy7319]

I don't find that strange tbh as a *relative* outsider (as in, I know my shit but don't run myself) I wouldn't hassle myself with putting up easier times until it gets very close to the top, and stuff I know I'd beat myself on pretty quickly. And that's without the rules that they're placing on this lad

[@merl_]

To quote a different comment I saw: There are some misleading aspects of Karl's video, particularly the idea that you "came out of nowhere". I think if Karl had been more thorough with his research, he would have included your frustrating history with emulator and hardware issues, which really gives proper context to your submission history. Maybe from the outside it looks like you came out of nowhere, but everyone in the Mario community knows you are a top runner, and on a short list of people capable of continuing to push the time lower. As you mention, you've been active in the community, helping out other players of all skill levels and you've developed several new strategies in smb and 2j and the new skip you found in Marble Madness, which you share openly.

[@AustenHilton]

I mean you could be grinding the game and just upload a time later that’s not sus to me the cables thing and the fact he cheated before are more sus to me

[@Twerpool]

That argument is weak though, few submitted runs does not mean you did not practice at the time.

[@bup6340]

I have a tied record too and it was the first run I've ever submitted in my life. None of my runs was streamed either. Some people just don't have the technical necessities or the will to do that. I'm Hungry's reasons sound so much more compelling to me.

[@randomhuman731]

“Hello you absolutely legends” that sentence right there makes my day.

[@superfurfannyaa1864]

@@Jahstice cringe

[@infinitedonuts9929]

I love your pfp @Random Human

[@randomhuman731]

@@infinitedonuts9929 Cheers :)

[@kkeithf]

It's comfy

[@rtyuik7]

same...especially today, which was a rather rough one at work...but at least Karl still believes in me... ...now i just need to either believe in Myself, or just believe in Karl, who believes in me xD

[@jarrettkk]

anyone else think his reaction to setting the record sounded like the worst acting of all time? I tiEd REcOrD

[@foogles1526]

not even watching the time and instantly saying that he tied the record without seeing again (Sorry for the bad English)

[@helloofthebeach]

People react to stuff differently, sometimes in weird ways. And "this seems like acting" has been used to dismiss so many actual important news stories this year that it feels like the realm of conspiracy theory. I don't think we should judge him for his reaction. I think we should judge him for his terrible haircut.

[@bxyhxyh]

​@@wateriswet0510 He reacted on exact moment Mario touched the axe. Kinda felt that he was acting.

[@pnutbutta9531]

@@wateriswet0510 he reacted the instant he touched the axe without checking a time or frames, and refused to show cables cause "it would be to hard" after just shouting "I tied record?!?!", I don't think it has anything to do with his accent guy.

[@Choinkus]

Run is fake imo, but I also don't see why the reaction sounds like "acting." Sometimes people just react in ways that can be a little awkward and uncomfortable to listen to, even when it's genuine.

[@MrInniske]

Hi Karl! I am new to your channel and started with watching your Twin Galaxies Saga. I had seen “King Of Kong” years ago and you crafted a fantastic follow-up. The algorithm then pulled me into your videos about speed running, something I will admit I had never heard of but had participated in while trying to beat my fastest times on Goldeneye over 20 years ago! Your breakdown of how speed running works for different games is amazing. I have enjoyed learning more about your world and feel the tug of trying speed running. Thank you for showing me an exciting new way to enjoy an old hobby!

[@weetabixharry]

Fake. He's not even eating pizza.

[@tomoda7602]

i wassnt convinced, but you just did. Thanks

[@Wavy667_]

Don't forget the Coke and higher pitched gameplay

[@mystic1029]

@@Wavy667_ heart monitor, he needed one of those too.

[@Oxxyjoe]

hahahaha

[@Canadian_Ice]

@@mystic1029 make sure it flips between 2 numbers, never going up.

[@0xGRIDRUNR]

a couple things to note: Not showing cables it EXTREMELY odd, considering how easy it would be to do. How does he know that he tied the WR immediately? He is playing on an NES, so clearly he is timing with some other external method that cannot be accurate to the frame count. Both of these, with his history of TASing seems to point in a rather awful direction for him, especially considering that his livestreams are not constant attempts for the record for a while. Considering the skill needed to consistently hit the frame perfect tricks needed, it just seems to far retched to be a legit run.

[@heckno15yearsago]

“considering how easy it would be to do.” Dude do you know how HEAVY those old CRTs are? It really wouldn’t be that easy.

[@godlyBlade]

>How does he know that he tied the WR immediately? That's the one that's most off to me. He know he tied the world record like a moment before he even finished the run. He reacted too fast.

[@Thalatash]

Him immediately knowing he tired the record really stuff out to me as well. And the cable thing; if his cables are all twisted up he could have just unplugged them from the back of the NES and back in again, it's what I would have done but maybe he didn't think of that, lol. His immediate reaction is what bothers me most, though.

[@nullzweihundert]

I think you're thinking too analytical about this. If everything was planned, why would he act oddly? And wouldn't this speedrun be the hardest to cheat in? Kinda dumb for a caught cheater to try cheating in a harder speedrun and then somehow getting so good at cheating that there's no hard evidence. You're also forgetting how optimised and short this speedrun is. If you'd exactly know what strats you have to get and know how every level has to end, you could predict your time. It's also why I disliked some parts of the video, since I'm pretty sure that all the records shown have been checked equally thorough. In my opinion, assuming someone would never cheat just gives them more opportunity to do so. Someone who cheats wouldn't be above abusing trust.

[@pflaumi123]

Like others have written in other comments already, top runners know their pace going into the last level because of the framerule. And in the last level you know your time based on the bowser pattern like shown at 8:02.

[@ValueNetwork]

We all got worried when we saw Kosmic at the start

[@officialroxxmusic]

Lol had a full blown pit in my stomach 😂

[@JoeyColey]

@@officialroxxmusic Same. Glad I checked the comments almost immediately after lol

[@yipflaptheexecutioner6519]

I don't who Kosmic is so not all of us.

[@entruh4520]

@@yipflaptheexecutioner6519 he's a really cool guy

[@markiemarkmar]

Kosmic is awesome. Lots of people would be heartbroken if this video was about him lol.

[@lucyloo2228]

So are we saying I can cheat by hiding something behind my tv. But as long as I show my controller and and cables then I’m good? Sweet.

[@Taromisaki666]

LOL, I thought this was gonna be about Niftski's WR.

[@Synday]

same lol never even heard of lesth

[@Th3ch0s3n0n3s]

Funny enough, if you check the chat in Niftski's WR, Lekukie is a moderator of his twitch. Seems like people are cool with Lekukie, even if they don't want to verify his runs.

[@heater1237]

Yeah, thought so too.

[@stevenjocker4549]

Me too lol

[@MoonstarAriadne]

me 2

[@KingNoahCraft5]

If he ain't eating pizza and drinking coke, it's 100% legit.

[@mhx5071]

Dude, ive seen 2 other comments like this both postec earlier

[@TheMalMeninga]

The instant "I tied the record" within moments of finishing really doesn't ring true at all.

[@SirTylerGolf]

The bowser patters basically tell experineced runners their time before it's even done, niftski knew his time

[@migueeeelet]

Yeah, he's not like "Oh my god this is world record! Or tie! Or almost!". Dude has a full second to grind. Just getting half an extra second faster on the WR would've put him on top 10 (prolly, dunno the leaderboards). He made a massive jump, but instead directly mentions world record, as if he was expecting it. And somewhy he also knows the same exact numbers as the WR to tie it? Wouldn't he be more concerned with his own times?

[@TheMalMeninga]

@@SirTylerGolf I'm sure niftski did, but the other lad doesn't get the benefit of the doubt with the shenanigans he has pulled before in MKDS and the nonsense with the A/V cables.

[@SirTylerGolf]

@@migueeeelet read my comment

[@SirTylerGolf]

@@TheMalMeninga yeah the mkds doesn't look good, but I'm pretty sure kosmic didn't show his cables to the tv either, lekukie is trusted in the smb1 community, and it's pretty much unanimously agreed upon that his run is legit

[@bunsintodreams]

In my opinion, if somebody cheats once, they will probably cheat again. It may be a pessimistic outlook, but people are often disappointing.~

[@bassmaster456]

If you create a TAS and get caught trying to pass it off as a world record, disrespecting the hard work and legitimate skill of maybe hundreds of runners , I feel no sympathy for you not being trusted on breaking or tying another record . unfortunate if he were to actually have accomplished a world record and not given credit for such a coveted record...yet there lies the problem it is so coveted I couldn’t in good faith give him the benefit of the doubt and grant him one of the most renowned records in all of speed running. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be able to post runs or be a part of a community bc of a past mistake but that’s the price he pays for it, if you want to even call an outright lie a mistake it was intentional but as people we are capable of growing and learning .

[@Tgalvan624]

I 100% agree with you. If someone goes through with cheating and gets caught they just have to accept that going forward if they do become legitimate that they’re gonna have defend themselves whenever they post something by being 110% transparent.And if they give the moderators/community any doubt at all then there’s no if’s ands or but’s about throwing their record out because of their past.

[@SecuR0M]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be part of a community but [I'm saying he shouldn't be part of a community].

[@thaurane]

If he did it once he can do it again (not an easy task I know). This time not just so happen to cover up the camera. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first until it was pointed out the mod's demand was not met.

[@jan_is_exist4296]

he cheated when he was 13 lol

[@deathmetallongsleeve]

The fact that dude showed his controller and stuff but then immediately got all sketch when asked about the TV cables pretty much spells it out for us

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

The fact that he yelled, "I got record?!?! What?! I tied record!" While the other guy says, "Got 4,3,0" Makes him sound more fake lol

[@megawatt1738]

@@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli The bowser hammer/fire/jump patterns can tell you what frame you end on. He got the same pattern as Kosmic, so he knew he tied Kosmic down to the frame. It's really easy to tell what frame you end on if you've memorized the patterns.

[@megawatt1738]

@@River_StGrey zero evidence???? He streams almost every day for several hours at a time. He puts tons and tons of work into it.

[@olive2184]

@@River_StGrey Any why does he need to show proof of him knowing the Bowser patterns? They are not hard to remember as there are only eight if them.

[@maplemiyazaki]

Blows my mind that people try and cheat on smb1 speedruns. One of if not the most famous and studied speedrun

[@genericname2747]

They just see people get attention for speedrunning, and think "I can make a fake video and get attention".

[@nullv2.068]

@@genericname2747 and get exposed someday and be ashamed for the rest of my life with my cheating history and being rejected by everyone

[@genericname2747]

@@nullv2.068 Bold of you to assume they think about consequences

[@nullv2.068]

@@genericname2747 well i didn't meant they do think about that... buti i get your point

[@genericname2747]

@@nullv2.068 My bad, I misunderstood. You're right though, cheating isn't worth it.

[@TheSchizoTrollinator]

Mario is beginning to get stressed having to run so fast to get to the princess in 4 minutes

[@JohnSmith-gu2dx]

I think emulation is going to be a necessity for the community to survive long term, but we will just have to regulate it somehow.

[@CheezTetris]

I mean, NESes aren't even unreliable if you use a BLW 72-pin connector, and emulation opens a ton of opportunities for cheating in various ways. I think this video makes it seem too much like NESes are rare and fragile machines from centuries ago lol. Of course there are ways to cheat on console aswell, but it's definitely a lot harder.

[@longjohnson6923]

Maybe have a different category for emulators so people who use emulators can track their times without having to spend cash on a game catridge/console. But if they're serious about WR attempts, then make it console only I guess.

[@toumabyakuya3498]

@@CheezTetris However, not everybody has a NES nor the economical accessibility to one. This would basically divide everybody between who can and can't speedrun a game.

[@CheezTetris]

​@@toumabyakuya3498 Not much you can really do about that. You should probably be playing on a console for latency optimization anyway if you're playing a game at that high of a level, in my opinion. Emulator will always be much easier to cheat than console.

[@toumabyakuya3498]

@@CheezTetris But as I said, not everybody can buy one. This basically creates a big wall. And more so for third world countries (like my own) where it will be impossible for us to buy one. If this is a problem then, as others have said, a separate category for emulators should exist.

[@dbgr9875]

Mom: Come on Kosmic, we have to leave for school in 5 minutes! Kosmic: Fine, just let me beat Super Mario Bros real quick

[@jatloe]

Kosmic: laughs in 15 days until mario being his full time job

[@Pc_98_Fan]

he did not cheat, he used Dream 1 in 7 trillion luck to be skilled

[@sequentiacyclica]

He just has a good gaming chair

[@blakeerenhouse943]

@@sequentiacyclica no RGB tho? Kinda sus that he had the same FPS without it

[@morningbowl3156]

“Happening in May of this year” Karl can time travel? It’s March right now!

[@Mahfy3w]

This may be a joke but check the year this vid is uploaded :)