New Super Mario Bros. World Record Raises HUGE Questions

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Today we look at a very interesting story of a speedrunner getting the Super Mario Bros. world record. But no one is sure if it should be accepted or not. During the investigation, something shocking happened.
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[@karljobst]

After months of deliberation Lekukie's run has been APPROVED by the moderators. I will provide a slightly more context in an upcoming video.

[@fairrodthecapacitor]

Karl, you are an absolute legend! Looking forward to that video!

[@juandavidaguilartorres3788]

What was the Dream 'situation'? Sorry for my ignorance.

[@zeroplays6566]

i dont wanna belive he cheated but he did and its sad but its the truth how the hell does someone get that lucky with 2 items in a speedrun

[@fairrodthecapacitor]

@@juandavidaguilartorres3788 he has manipulated the Blaze drops and Bartering chances because of the frustration of 1,16 is RNG heavy.

[@carsharking6511]

niftski arleady did a 4:54 from 4-2

[@SIMIFU]

He's not eating Pizza while doing it so it must be legit.

[@dpray96]

I dunno man, he didn't have a heartbeat sensor either, couldn't be fake.

[@WillHeritage]

I understood that reference.

[@drawingastickman8122]

I dunno, he might have coke.

[@BrynjaminButton]

@@drawingastickman8122 Coke you say? Time for a drug test.

[@SonicJ13]

The run is fake he took his hand off the controller for 0.00000001 seconds between levels so obvious it's fake

[@SlamBolts]

This is legit, he wasn't eating pizza and drinking coke

[@Yoshomay]

Yos

[@zol4996]

Badabun

[@tizzytank579]

Comment of the day

[@AphelDD]

Badabun gay

[@BubonicBarry]

Well I Gus that's fine then

[@olive2184]

Update: LeKukie's run was verified yesterday. The mods voted, and the results were 8 people for yes, 0 people for no, and 5 people for abstain.

[@wizardwor511]

Damn this comment needs to be PINNED

[@huskerbusker]

Also he's actively racing for 4:54:xx vs niftski and miniland (as of today) and had some great runs going today

[@olive2184]

@@huskerbusker Yeah, it's going to be really fun watching them try to be the first.

[@huskerbusker]

@@olive2184 I saw Summoningsalt in the Twitch chat for Minilands latest WR and I think he was watching today, can't wait for the new video!

[@olive2184]

@@huskerbusker That would be great, but I don't think he has ever posted an update video before. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying I don't think it will happen.

[@EnnoMaffen]

For anyone interested and not already knowing. Niftski has indeed achieved the first 4:54 ever on April 7th 2021. It was a 4:54:948 to be exact.

[@oldbees648]

Doesn't matter, he'll never achieve the record on Bowser's Big Bean Burrito

[@elimarcus181]

you bet he god damn wont

[@thescrantonstrangler2188]

I have the record for Bowsers Big Bean Burrito

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

nope, you are just nitpicking and biased, i win, bye bye

[@indalecio539]

This is just like that party at Patrick Swayze's house.

[@DjentleBen1105]

Many people don't know this, but Bowser's Big Bean Burrito was the first *true* strand type game.

[@kvarner6886]

Jeez, my heart almost stopped when Kosmic was the first to appear on screen, I thought this video may be about him. Phew.

[@_zoluz]

I almost shat my pants

[@haxalicious]

Same lol. Kosmic definitely doesn't seem like the kind of person to cheat.

[@CristalianaIvor]

Same!

[@demoniclemur2483]

Thank you for being the highest comment. I just started the video, and I was fairly certain this was just some background information on the world record (since I doubt Kosmic would cheat) but a part of me was still worried.

[@gressorialNanites]

Same

[@pinecone606]

One thing about the run that I think is worth pointing out: it's not actually *that* suspicious that he knew immediately that he tied the record. He's a top level runner of 8-4 specifically, so he would actually have a very good idea exactly how many frames he lost and how many he could afford to lose. I initially was sure it was fake but after learning about his background, how frequently he streams, etc I don't think it's super likely that he faked it. It's about as hard to have your hands perfectly match the game inputs as it is to actually play the game.

[@SirTylerGolf]

What helps even more about knowing his exact time is Bowser's pattern, which is unique for each frame bowser is loaded in, and identifiable in real time most of the time they can figure out their exact time without a doubt, the last 4 records had their runners know their exact time.

[@fasddfadfgasdgs]

this was what I thought of immediately when seeing he is a speed runner of the game and has done 8-4 speedruns like kinda weird that this video was being made to raise suspicion on the guy. it would be a different story if he was a known cheater.

[@Sotryn_Fox]

​@@fasddfadfgasdgs That's the thing. He wasn't a high leaderboard player. His personal best was 3 seconds behind the world record originally, which as noted in the video, is a pretty significant amount of time for this category. It also wasn't authenticated by the time that this video was posted so it raised the questions that the community had at the time about the authenticity of the run. Mind you, you don't need to be a previously known cheater to cheat a run. Time and time again plenty of people in speedrun communities have cheated runs while also being top-level players because they know the mechanics of the game better than most and how best to hide their cheating.

[@brianhuang666]

@@Sotryn_Fox but with a 8-4 IL record? that's like the most difficult level in the any% run that requires all the skills as there is no frame rule, you have to play the entire level as perfect as possible

[@klingmicah]

Damn I didn't realize how close u can get to enemies without dying

[@danieldavid3766]

Hit boxes are smaller than they look in SMB1

[@suppaman12]

Bro I thought you were talking about actual life😂😂😂😂 But yea Mario stuff ok

[@Andrewbert109]

Oh man I know. As a casual gamer damn near everything these guys do seems like sorcery to me. Must be like dudes who like to play pickup games of basketball watching the NBA

[@strawb_short_cake]

yeah i find it so fascinating when people visualize hitboxes for enemies/obstacles not just bc of the size but also the shape sometimes! Before I rly understood the concept of hitboxes I would get so confused playing some games where sometimes you end up getting hit even though the enemy model didn't even touch you...and sometimes you seem to clip right through Rly fascinating to study for speedruns too, seeing how close you can cut certain corners to save time etc

[@DBG2k]

Got worried when I thought this was going to be a video about Kosmic cheating 😂

[@entruh4520]

Same i got so worried

[@VarianAlastair]

No kidding...

[@matts.689]

Me too!!! phew!

[@cutchyacokov]

Knew that it couldn't possibly be but was still a bit worried.

[@thefriedchicken7]

I know, I was so worried until about 1:16.

[@jorami4838]

8:34 "he was banned from the mario kart ds community." Idk why I laughed at this lol

[@ricardoestevez4976]

“Your honor, the defendant has been banned by the Mario Kart DS community and is therefore untrustworthy”

[@awpandamia]

@@ricardoestevez4976 smh dont diss the mk ds community 😔

[@asdfhklljfztvvw3686]

He once threw a red shell at the admin.

[@majorBearsky]

@@awpandamia mortal kombat ds community i didn't know there was such a thing XD

[@jimmyz7218]

Ikr

[@jakefingerrr]

Can you imagine if professionals in the criminal justice system had half as much patience or thorough research of the people in question as these speed runner mods do?

[@Jack-px8lf]

i mean to be fair they're dealing with like horrific crimes and abuses. some are merticulous, but its easier to set aside those personal feelings to analyze a speedrun. this is like a true crime genre but for game journalism.

[@abunaishii]

I'm not even into speedrunning but it's so fascinating hearing Karl talk about it, so much effort put into this video, not to mention the players speedrunning. Cheers everyone!

[@Spectrik]

I know this comment is a year old but I'm sure you won't mind rewatching this video. I agree before these little documentaries I had little interest in speedrunning but there is a clear passion for the art and expertise that Karl brings to the table when talking about speedrunning

[@sighkick6938]

It's clearly fake, he's not even eating coke and pizza.

[@Gomme_EXE]

eating coke lul

[@dooplon5083]

@ADayWithJake it's a reference a video of a guy faking a spliced run that ate coke and drank pizza between levels for some reason. If you haven't seen it before then here's a dissection karl did of it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3fVgmSVZ8eVqas

[@wewserlethaldude9]

@ADayWithJake It's a reference to this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3fVgmSVZ8eVqas

[@lamegamertime]

@ADayWithJake No he's completely serious, it's in the rules you have to sip at least 12 gallons of coka-cola and 15 pizzas during your run or it's disqualified.

[@POINTS2]

Truely fake since he didn't even have a heart rate monitor.

[@renthegigglefox]

I'm confused as to how "it would be too difficult to show the TV cable connection" when it's literally two feet from the output on the console to the input on the front of the TV. This reaction, combined with the history of cheating in another game, makes for a highly suspicious set of circumstances indeed. I do hope, for LeKukie's sake, that his run turns out to be legitimate, otherwise he faces the very real possibility of being blacklisted from the RTA speedrunning community as a whole. If it turns out that, once again, he is passing off a TAS as an RTA, then maybe he needs to move to the TAS running community instead, where he can show off those skills in creating perfect theoretical runs instead of trying to cheapen RTA viability.

[@kristiankasamoen8854]

In Mario Kart Wii, we had a guy getting caught for cheating who moved on to set TAS records instead. Hilariously, he eventually started cheating his TAS runs as well, one example being when he edited the course to drive a frame through off-road without slowing down

[@raze_]

Who says it was plugged into the front? Some tvs have inputs on both back and front. His room is dirty af making moving the tv hard.

[@Montewtf]

@@raze_ you can see it plugged into the front at 11:54

[@TheMcClover]

@@Montewtf According to him, he had his N64 connected in the front, hence why it is 3 connectors instead of 2. The NES is mono and only uses 2 cables.

[@tyrannicalthesaurus4672]

I dont think a person with a poor enough character to cheat a run would suddenly start doing things legit if they just TASed. These people want one thing: recognition. They'll just find a new way to cheat runs

[@teo_heel]

If you're curious, LeKukie's record is finally approved, so he's now sharing the same time as Kosmic.

[@jojolafrite90]

Approved... By default, because it can't be proven, apparently that he cheated. As he couldn't prove he didn't cheat by not showing simple fucking cables.

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@jojolafrite90 hi troll

[@defaultusername1145]

@@jojolafrite90 what would the cables do to verify the run?

[@medievalan6285]

@@defaultusername1145 the nes connects to the crtv monitor through a cable Tampering, hacking, or just flat out cheating can be used By showing the connections it can help show what is connected

[@medievalan6285]

@@ThaAwesome10 are you trolling?

[@magicmulder]

This happens offline, too. When Wang Junxia bested the women’s 10,000 m record by a whopping 42 seconds, people initially believed she had run one round too few. The current world record is another 30 seconds faster.

[@raven4k998]

cheaters are everywhere no surprise that there's are super Mario bros cheaters

[@fuzzywzhe]

Some dude will wipe out Wang Junxia eventually.

[@magicmulder]

@@fuzzywzhe Already happened by several women. That was my point.

[@raven4k998]

@@fuzzywzhe yes yes yes soon the cheater wars will begin dun dun dun!!!!!!

[@fuzzywzhe]

@@magicmulder Well, a dude will wipe that out eventually. Women are inferior to transgendered m2f in everything and that proven over time.

[@MetaVaria]

His unwillingness to show the cords after having a run rejected along with history of cheating leads me to think his run should be left in limbo

[@droplifter3435]

You'd think that he'd go over and above to prove it was legit. If I spent a few weeks trying something, let alone years, I'd want there to be no doubt it was legit. And that's separate from being or being accused of being a cheater beforehand.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

Yeah, my first thought on seeing that was that he could have rigged something to send prerecorded footage from a TAS to the CRT during the “run” itself but then very quickly switch back to the console video input prior to the verification. It’d be an absolute pain in the ass to set up, but it’s totally doable. Considering he already has history of faking runs...yeah, I’m not buying it. I’m just shocked he went through that much effort and yet didn’t think to 1) rig it in such a way so the splicer wouldn’t be visible from the back of the TV and, more importantly, 2) maybe do a couple of sub-record runs first so you don’t look incredibly blatant coming out of nowhere to tie people who have been running SMB for literal decades.

[@thesecretkey9845]

@@Nathan-kk6lb The fact that this is definitely possible shows that proof standards are, and always have been, lax.

[@Nathan-kk6lb]

@@thesecretkey9845 Indeed. There’s way, *way* too many situations, even outside speedrunning, where people just don’t consider threat vectors like that because “why would they even bother doing that?” The thing is...eventually someone’s going to come along who’s smart enough to abuse it properly without getting caught. Streams can be live spliced with a video, demos can be pre-recorded, hand and face cams can be either pre-recorded or “lip-synced” with a video to allow for chat interaction, etc. The reason why people trust the big world record holders is because no normal person is going to spend hours upon hours streaming attempts for years only to turn around and put in this much effort to fake a world record run. Nobody has enough sanity to pull off a con of that magnitude for that long, even people like Billy Mitchell and Todd Rogers probably could have been caught earlier if people had taken the time to sit down and look over all of the evidence.

[@mickahelcote]

At 11:08 is it just me but when he's showing the controller and console the game cartrage isn't even pressed down

[@CainXVII]

KZbin algorithm: you're into exposing speedrunning cheats now Me: (never seen a speedrun) okay

[@mjriemen]

I was thinking something similar... tha AND “Man I’m bored...”

[@thaurane]

I haven't seen been recommended a speedrun video in nearly a year yet this one just popped up. I hope it means google is realizing some of their arrogance that we don't like seeing promoted content and show us what they think we want instead.

[@johnwrath3612]

It did that to me a couple months ago. I don't give a flying fuck about speedrunning, but for some reason these videos are fascinating. That people care so much about shaving off literal fractions of a second from the time of an almost 40 year old game is bizarre to say the least, but weirdly compelling.

[@Avrysatos]

Welcome, you're now a part of the retro speedrunning community or something like that.

[@BonW]

@@johnwrath3612 I can say mostly the same. With me, I've only checked the world record speedruns on some games I really enjoy, just to see how skilled people can really be, such as Portal 2, Half-Life, and some of my childhood PS2 games. But then suddenly, KZbin started promoting a lot of these "speedrun exposure" videos, and I just think they're neat.

[@MrInniske]

Hi Karl! I am new to your channel and started with watching your Twin Galaxies Saga. I had seen “King Of Kong” years ago and you crafted a fantastic follow-up. The algorithm then pulled me into your videos about speed running, something I will admit I had never heard of but had participated in while trying to beat my fastest times on Goldeneye over 20 years ago! Your breakdown of how speed running works for different games is amazing. I have enjoyed learning more about your world and feel the tug of trying speed running. Thank you for showing me an exciting new way to enjoy an old hobby!

[@damianelswick8828]

Karl, you, Goose, and Summoning Salt have given me a crash course in speed running and the community. While I dont run myself, I find these record coverage and content fascinating. Keep up the good work, and let's all hope for a remaster of 007. I might would join the community then.

[@tevani1]

That would be cool! And Perfect Dark aswell, and they should make a pc port for them. That would be the dream.

[@Seth_M-T]

How do you feel about the re-release of Goldeneye?

[@akitosorogoma2552]

I've watched the hobbit Speedrun video twice from mkarma, and have never once even held a copy of the game in my hands, let alone played it.

[@CasuallyShadow]

The amount of “Eating pizza” and “Drinking coke” comments are hilarious to me, and I haven’t even been watching this channel for very long.

[@damianosjawline]

I understand that reference

[@BlueRS123]

Badabun

[@TheTrueBrawler]

Not enough jokes about Lekukie starting his run already in second gear.

[@siin_07]

@@BlueRS123 Badabun TSSsss.......

[@atomicfloridaman2830]

It’s from a different fake run by someone who had no idea how the game worked

[@4-Twenty]

For me at least it’s quite simple, if you’ve got a bad history and you’re asked to provide further proof but you refuse then it’s clear as day something ain’t right.

[@Alex-gl8li]

He did provid more proof than any other speedrun, and the "lack of proof" is something that absolutly nobody ever ask Kosmic or anybody else to provide.

[@Excludos]

@@Alex-gl8li The reason "any other speedrun" doesn't need to have quite as high a standard of proof is because A: They'll have been in the community for a long time, are known figures, and would have produced tons of speedruns up to that point that would be really close, and B: They don't have a history of cheating. The fact that he provided further proof of legitimacy isn't "a nice thing to do" for him, it's required because of his spotted history. And he still failed to actually show all of the proof, only parts of it, while being asked by moderators to show the rest (and failing). The guy is either a grade A moron or is cheating.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@Excludos even tho i think that he isn't cheating, y'all that say things like this have a really fair point, it's just weird

[@ChrisStavros]

@@Alex-gl8li It doesn't matter if it's "more than any speedrun". After you cheat you're not entitled to jack shit in the community. If you don't want to fulfill any standard that the community requires of you, then you can refuse and always fall back on the default option which is fuck you cheater, get lost and don't come back.

[@CaliCosmicGal]

I am the kind of guy that believe people with bad history doesn’t mean they still are like it with their bad history. But each their own I guess

[@jenniferpruitt6534]

I love watching videos on speedrunning. It has become a science that one doesn't have to understand all the little details that go into it. I respect the dedication to all the players who spend many many hours perfecting their runs in a legitimate manner. God bless you all!

[@elkikex]

Niftski achieved 4.54 2 days ago, waiting on Karl's breakdown.

[@Viper-dz2kw]

Cheated or not, the admin asked him to do something and he didn’t, that’d be a DQ from me chief

[@robertoarmstrong7317]

Admin: “Do it again” Lekukie: “I tied rekkerd!”

[@Asidelove]

All he had to do is unplug the console from the back of the console. If the screen goes blue. Easy

[@charlessmith4057]

Asked him to do something and then shortly thereafter he covered the camera. How is anyone taking him seriously after that?

[@jerkface38]

@@charlessmith4057 i used to play blackjack with this dude who lived around the corner from me. He started turning around and switching cards in the deck. I called him on it but I just stopped playing after a few more times of that bs. Ended up getting way more out of him later on through his dad cooking me meals and such. That's karma.

[@johnsmith5139]

​@@charlessmith4057 his history of cheating and the atypicality of his word record were enough for serious suspicion and probably outright rejection. refusing to film the cable set up for no good reason (there would be nothing hard about doing it) when the admin asked him to is enough to discredit him entirely. frankly, though, if someone has been caught cheating records in the past--in any game--that should lead to being banned from any speed-running in any game if the player can be identified across games.

[@ASfdhgfhuhlkj]

Ties world record: ez "Show the back of the console": Sorry, seems too hard.

[@thecoffeeblackshow]

If you look at the console during that weak excuse he gives, you can see that the cartridge isn't even pushed down into the console. 11:45 is where I caught it

[@SecretSquaff]

@@thecoffeeblackshow Why isn't anyone else talking about this?

[@thecoffeeblackshow]

@@SecretSquaff ikr!!! That was the first thing I noticed while watching

[@pinecone606]

@@SecretSquaff because you don't actually need to press the cartridge down in an NES for the game to boot. This whole run is sus but not for that reason.

[@SecretSquaff]

@@pinecone606 read up on this a little and that's not true. You need to alter the connector pin to make it work without pushing it down. When trying to validate a run, maybe don't have an altered system.

[@hanro50]

Here's the thing if you look at his hand movements and the frame data from those hand movements and they match perfectly one to one. With the expected delay between a button press and a character reacting And the physics behaves as they should...like to pull that off while using a Tas. Its just tbh... At some point it becomes easier to pull it off for real then to cheat.

[@herbertstevens2451]

Interested to see the comments' reactions now that the run has been verified, I predict three camps, 1. Commenters who felt his run was legit feeling a sense of vindication 2. Commenters who believed it was was cheated changing their minds and accepting the mod team's verdict 3. Commenters who believed it was cheated and still do think it was cheated, denying the mod team's findings To me the most telling fact is that no mod elected to vote "no", even under anonymity no mod believes that the run is false, though the 5 who chose to abstain could be considered "on the fence" I suppose

[@hellshound3154]

Oh shit he got verified?? That’s kinda cool tbh is it up on speedrun.com now?

[@kirakuro5]

@Jack Ringel thats True but no moderador voted "no" they have Doubts but they are not sure He cheated

[@williamshie4326]

@Jack Ringel I don't think any run can be 100% foolproof, his is just being extra scrutinized because he cheated using tas 2 years ago. The fact that nobody chose to vote ''no'' shows for me at least that there was nothing wrong with the run (using the usual methods of verifying), just that they are uncertain of giving a past cheater the recognition of the run.

[@Mswordx23]

I was inbetween camps 1 and 2. I accepted that based on all available evidence the run is legit, but I still didn't trust him and wouldn't be surprised if it turned out it was cheated based on new evidence. I still haven't changed this stance after verification.

[@Someone72663]

you forgot camp 4: Commenters who knew his run was legit because he wasnt eating pizza or drinking coke :)

[@dimentiorules]

When I saw the title, I thought it was a world record for New Super Mario Bros, not a Super Mario Bros World Record that's new. Nintendo using the word "New" in their titles gets confusing.

[@Cloiss_]

KZbin's automated system for identifying games seems to think so too (at time of writing, the video has been identified to be about New Super Mario Bros. (2006))

[@marzipancutter8144]

Still waiting for New New Super Mario Bros.

[@szr8]

@@marzipancutter8144 Refurbished Super Mario Bros.

[@WolfXGamerful]

just wait until they name a game Super Mario Bros. World

[@Redditaurus]

@szr8 remastered remake of new New SMB or remade remaster of new SMB...u just enter a infinite paradox

[@LudosErgoSum]

Lekukie just started the framerule bus in 2nd gear after every load screen to save a framerule

[@shinyagumon7015]

We are just underestimating the human element

[@wrath1785]

LMAO that Todd Rogers reference

[@Sjwatts]

Todd Rogers aka todgers

[@ordinaryyoutubechannel582]

At first I read "New Super Mario Bros. World" as one game title and I just thought, yeah, that seems right.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

The run just got verified, this is gonna be interesting...

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@Jim Jones don't worry, he is

[@D_YellowMadness]

He deserves the hate. He said showing the cables would be too difficult while standing right there holding the camera almost facing the cables & then he covered the camera. 100% chance he cheated. There's literally no other possible reason for that reaction.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@D_YellowMadness no one deserves hate lol. Yeah you can believe he cheated but giving him a bunch of hate is really dumb and kinda stupid.

[@iceicicle3046]

It got verified because he didnt cheat

[@iceicicle3046]

@@D_YellowMadness WHAT WOULD SHOWING THE CABLES DO?

[@tophatjones179]

Holy shit. For a second, I thought Kosmic’s run was in question. Good lord don’t do that to me.

[@RyanTosh]

Actually I believe it was fake, there's NO WAY he ran over that one block gap without jumping :p (The sad thing is I actually see these comments on his videos)

[@pvanukoff]

"Oh, it's too hard to show the cables." Riiight. Whether he cheated or not, that's ridiculous, especially when you know you're being held to a higher standard of proof.

[@autopsyturvy]

Exactly my thoughts too! He knew ahead of time that he'd be held to that standard and could've taken 5 minutes to prep for them to ask for cables to be shown. He knew they would; it wasn't like at that moment Kriller somehow decided that he'd ask for it and expect lekukie to show them without prior knowledge.

[@treyspiller3931]

@@autopsyturvy I mean he probably could’ve cleaned up the space around him to like throw everything in a corner so it’s just him the NES and the TV that’d be even more proof. But I mean either way having the N64 plugged in and a mess around the TV is definitely not gonna be beneficial for proving your legitimacy.

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

Yeah he had people reminding him in the chat. I would do everything in my power to show the back of the TV not just a 2 second attempt

[@Icetea-2000]

I think what’s happening is that alongside speedrunning evolving, speedrun cheating is evolving too in the shadows

[@rwold8779]

@@treyspiller3931 That's bullshit though, there was a certain list of rules that people had prepared for him in advanec. He should be held to THOSE rules. As Karl said, he complied with all that. You cannot have a situation where a random mod can invent new rules at the time of a record. They need to just be honest, and tell the guy sorry, we won't accept any record from you. Don't string him along with a set of modified proof rules, and then move the goal line at the last second.

[@caleb2547]

about your emulation question at the end. The way I see it, emulations provide a way for many more people to be able to take part in a challenge, weather it be on their own leaderboard or a joint one doesn't matter to me. As long a sufficient proof would be shown while using an emulator, I think it should be valid!

[@wruzzer]

i'd even say an emulator iis better, because you can use specific emulators for speedrunning that log your inputs. easier to verify. at least that is what i'm thinking. not a speedrunner myself.

[@AngelaTheSephira]

@@wruzzer The problem there is data integrity. I could, for instance, modify the input storage file before submitting it.

[@mariocamspam72]

Well it's objectively invalid if the emulator isn't accurate enough to not provide unintended unfair advantages

[@Spectrik]

@@AngelaTheSephira true as with doom speedrunners cheating through demo editing

[@trequor]

​@@AngelaTheSephiraIt seems like it would be highly possible to build an emulator that does not allow this. Or at least logs it to an external source. This isnt 2008 anymore

[@browniex5120]

- Timestamps - 00:00 Introduction 02:37 Skillshare Sponsor 03:31 LeKukie's "World Record" Tie And Skill 06:40 The Sudden Lost Levels "World Record" 08:21 LeKukie's Past And MKDS "World Records" 10:56 The Suspicious Approval 12:39 Niftski's New World Record And Timesave 16:27 The 4:54 Conclusion 17:53 Outro/Endscreen

[@nisu_unn]

moral of the story - if you don't say "holy cow" at the end of a smb WR, you are not legit

[@SUPERFunStick]

Now I'm gonna be a world record speedrunner just so I can beat the WR and say "Holy cow fucking shit dicks!"

[@Radii_DC]

@@Mister_Clean **reaches hesitatingly towards a soft drink**

[@crowplexus]

he was brazilian tho

[@ehrenloudermilk1053]

I find myself getting sucked into speed running history and lore these days.

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

Same! It's so interesting. I don't even speedrun myself.

[@Sumblefore]

Same. I just get recommended these videos and I love watching them

[@emilianozamora399]

"and lore" all you do is run a game fast lmao quit overexaggerating

[@southparkfirefly]

Same and if i'm totally honest I don't even really know that much about them just the bare basics of what they are lol

[@derwamper1258]

Started for me like 3 years ago, I can feel you 😅👍🏻

[@slacktivism05]

Who came back here after Karl's new video? I like that Karl decided to make it clear that he didn't mean to allude to the fact that he was cheating and decided to correct himself and tell the KZbin comment to chill down cause commenters are usually just very trigger happy to call someone out.

[@devinhigoy221]

I did, looking back at all these comments, people just assumed the worst before looking at the full picture. I bet most people who watched the video didn't actually know who the speedrunner was before the video.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@devinhigoy221 Or how the game actually works

[@jojolafrite90]

What's wrong about saying your intuition shouts to you that he's a cheater? My intuition is kicking my ass about it.

[@CrabbyCrab101]

@@jojolafrite90 you should watch Karl's most recent video, where he talks about speedrunners who were accused of cheating. He talks about this situation near the end of the video.

[@maskofboom1067]

@@jojolafrite90 nothing wrong about that. It's wrong to assume that your intuition is automatically right, without even asking or doing research on your reasons you think he cheated.

[@MalcolmCooks]

doctor: you have 5 minutes to live speedrunner: phew, I have enough time to play super mario bros

[@JamesEvans-ow1wc]

10:50 3 major issues: -The cables area was obviously a mess even aside from being dark -The hand over lens was hilarious -The controller left the screen long enough for a swap

[@NoeLPZC]

4 - The game isn't depressed in the console!

[@FastIdiotBoss]

@@NoeLPZC Not making a comment with regard to either side of validity, but just pointing out to you as an FYI, the game doesn't need to be depressed in the console. It will still work perfectly normal. There are also new connectors like the Blinking light win which replace the traditional 72-pin connector where it's impossible to depress it.

[@SirZanZa]

@@videogamepolak0 depends on your country.

[@JamesEvans-ow1wc]

@@videogamepolak0 @VideoGame Polak bingo. Any serious speedrunner would have a clear and simple setup. Combine with the fact he's cheated before and viola

[@allenbot]

he connects his N64 in front and the NES is connecting to the back of the crt. he didn't cheat, it's impossible that he didn't play the run. it's just how we are gonna deal with verification of this time.

[@MrStevenWolfe]

If someone has a history of cheating, they NEED to be held to a higher standard of play for any other game they attempt. Show the cables connect, show EVERYTHING, because you already lied to *one* group, what's slowing you down from lying to another?

[@claudiodiaz9752]

Or maybe never submit anything ever again.

[@NoStereo]

Agreed, once a cheater always a cheater. I think everyone deserves to have second chances so I don't think banning them completely is fair (in most cases) but since they have already proven themselves guilty of cheating you can't presume them innocent of it any more.

[@jonmayer]

Trust is earned, not given. When trust is lost, it is very hard to rebuild. I know he could have limited technology, but maybe his runs are filmed this way on purpose. There is a reason people are questioning this run. Some cheaters may stop, but some will also try to improve their cheating by learning from their previous fails.

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

@@NoStereo and less if they get a world record in one speedrun like SMB2TLL tie the SMB world record that easily

[@ZachGatesHere]

That's exactly it. I don't believe in just removing anyone from the boards if they can prove they did it legitimately, but their runs should only be accepted if all doubt can be removed.

[@censored1430]

13:40 I knew as soon as he said obliterated that it was going to be like half a ms haha

[@jamesshealy6765]

I’ve never been a huge competitive gamer besides Halo 3 and Apex Legends HOWEVER after watching your videos I’ve become hooked. Atleast watching your videos about scandals, alleged cheating and no hit runs. You got me into a whole new rabbit holes of KZbin. I love every second of it. Earned a new subscriber

[@jmtrad1906]

Hard to believe a cheater, especially if he refused to show the console connected to the TV.

[@krzaq666]

And there were audio/video cables connected from the front, lol

[@mick7909]

But you can see component video cables plugged into the front of his TV?

[@mick7909]

So who's RGB cables in front right of his TV are for something else? (Does the Nintendo connect TV aerial coax then)

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

@@mick7909 It means following the cables connected from console to TV without interruptions, and showing that the TV is set to display the output shown. Edit: to be clear, there are still ways to cheat even through this, but that goes for every verification method. It's impossible to prove 100% no cheating but the point is to get as close to that percentage as possible.

[@robbiestrong-morse730]

Yeah but he would need to have done some extremely elaborate stuff and people can change.

[@OmoiSenpai]

I feel like the guy who was a cheater in the past was really grinding for a win.... but him not wanting to show the tv connection was suspicious for sure. If I was a cheater in the past, and I wanted to redeem myself, I would of done EVERYTHING to gain people's trust, even if it meant to show cables, open up the NES, Controller, and even the damn TV itself it it meant it. Why he doesn't prove himself for the cables is kinda beyond me. Also, where is his timer at? 0,o''

[@jucalebre7540]

Justin Omoi exactly

[@lorenzolabanca5613]

Also dude you just got a world record push the fucking tv the table everything you are about to become a legend

[@superzigzagoon]

I remember hearing about a speedruuner in Yoshi's Island (I think) where a speedrunner had been caught cheating. He cheated using TAS and one of his cheated world records (he wasn't caught for at the time) he was told to do a move but he made an excuse which the other runners accepted.

[@juand.g.2602]

How can not showing the cables be a cheat if he proved he controlled Mario? What cheat can be found?

[@ogre589]

@@superzigzagoon I know which one you are talking about and if im not mistaken, it was also on a Karl Jobst video. Might have been one of the other Speedrunning youtubers like Ezscape but I cannot say for certain.

[@GimX3]

15:30 wich is the exact Same time as Mario connects with the *hammer*

[@AceJackWagon885]

When I first saw the title of this video I thought he was talking about New Super Mario Bros. (DS).Lol.

[@fadasd]

Him not complying with moderator instructions even though he knew he needed far more evidence for his runs due to his history seems far too odd to me, I'd personally not be comfortable judging this run as legitimate.

[@MitchellD249]

Exactly how I see it. I could MAYBE buy his story about it being too difficult to show the cables if he didn't clearly proceed to cover the camera with his hand, what possible innocent explanation could there be for doing something like that in that situation?

[@ManabiLT]

Same, especially since he didn't even show the cables from the NES. I could see turning the TV around being difficult (although I'd have done it, because it'd definitely be worth it for the WR), but not even showing them from the NES is seriously suspicious.

[@SirTylerGolf]

@@MitchellD249 it's really easy to accidentally put your finger over the camera on a phone

[@SirTylerGolf]

@Mr. Grotto people can change, people change all the time, the mkds community has acknowledged that he's changed

[@SirTylerGolf]

@Mr. Grotto the moderators don't even have a final verdict on the run yet

[@MisterTipp]

The World Record is in another castle

[@RapideWombaticus]

Nice

[@mrpndaman129]

Ha

[@collinrogers4742]

Nice

[@deez2037]

LMFAOOO

[@deez2037]

@@mrpndaman129 Lmao love the username and profile pic tbh! :)

[@kingblackdragoon]

Yup I know its old... but anyone see the cart not pushed down in the nes at 11:45 and the game on? 🤔 maybe I'm missing something or a optical illusion?

[@threecreepio]

it's called a "Blinking Light Win", common replacement for the NES cartridge tray which tends to wear down since you apply pressure directly on the connector pins when you push the cartridges down. The replacement just lets you slide the cart in to the connector.

[@TheSchizoTrollinator]

Mario is beginning to get stressed having to run so fast to get to the princess in 4 minutes

[@PollyBonanzas]

I’d say that his deliberate refusal to show the cables should be enough to not let his run be counted. It’s fishy, on top of his shady past.

[@Skylancer727]

Nah that's not an issue for me, for me it's more the fact he was certain he tied the record and didn't want to retime it to see if he actually won WR. That suggests it was likely a TAS run he faked playing. Though if it is you need to prove his inputs don't 100% match up with what is happening on TV or the timing is off. If we can't though it's hard to prove as fake.

[@olive2184]

@@Skylancer727 He was certain of what time he got based on the direction Bowser moved and how many hammers he threw. Also, it should go without saying that two different cameras will run at two different things. The main thing is if the inputs he does show on screen, which they do.

[@Skylancer727]

@@olive2184 as far as we know so far. Not many are dedicated enough to watch a full speedrun pausing and rewatching to make sure every movement translates to his fingers. I will say I personally wouldn't bother showing the cables of my system either, so I don't think that's a good enough argument for it being illegitimate. How many of us have immaculate cable management behind our TV? I know mine is just a pile of wires. But the issue he is a know past cheater hurts him. Technically him moving from Nintendo games to other Nintendo games is very possible though the odds he recorded himself playing DS games all the time but Mario Bros a much more popular game he only streamed the one time he tied the world record is highly suspect. Personally my gut wants me to see he seems innocent, but I have a feeling he's just got it really well covered up.

[@olive2184]

@@Skylancer727 The mods actually have gone through to make sure every movement translates to his fingers, which just shows how dedicated the mods are. Also, he didn't just stream the one time he got world record, he has been streaming and archiving all his attempts, so if you wanted to, you could watch every attempt that he's done to try and get world record.

[@Skylancer727]

@@olive2184 yeah like I said, if it's fake it's a really good fake, but then again, him having real runs before one found to be fake is exactly what happened with him on DS. Makes it really hard to make a concise agreement on it without the urge to jump on one thing that sticks out. And you can delay the video streamed from the TV so that it looks like he's hitting the buttons so it's not a set in stone way to tell, though if course checking for exact timing in extreme tricks is hard as hell and going to be hard to notice even if he is faking it. There are ways for this to still be faked and that window always pops up more when it's a person who hasn't been posting their less fantastical runs. I'll take your word that he has recorded prior runs as personally it was something I immediately thought when they first used the claim "he's new to the game" as an argument for cheating. You don't know if they ever ran the game unrecorded and the whole argument was they never posted other runs. Purhaps they only post runs that were really good much like Gymnasy86 of the Zelda community only posts runs when they are new records or just really weird/ funny runs.

[@benjaminshepherd610]

“Obliterated” “by 0.2 milliseconds” seems about right

[@jan_is_exist4296]

by 200 milliseconds after the previous record was by 100

[@alex2005z]

Yea not even close

[@avarmauk]

It’s 0.2 seconds or 2 tenths of a second or 200 milliseconds. Not 0.2 milliseconds. 0.2 milliseconds would be 0.0002 seconds.

[@benjaminshepherd610]

Y’all talking like its a big problem the point is its funny that it’s considered being obliterated as someone who doesn’t pay much attention to speed running

[@demturkeys1811]

It's like someone slaming dark vipers 100% record by like 20min.

[@robertmcknightmusic]

To me, the weird part about not showing the cables behind the TV is that the CRT connection is at the front lol. You can clearly see the RWY cables at 6:10, though it should have been easy for Lekukie to show the entire cable running from controller to console to TV.

[@SirTylerGolf]

Those cables go to his N64

[@No_True_Scotsman]

Most CRT TVs have connectors on the back as well as the front

[@andrewmclean6829]

Good content Karl 👍

[@DarkIzo]

karl jobst: "lekukis progression is not typical at all. in fact it is..." me "not typical ?" kar jobst: " *a* -typical" me: woah

[@armandomanuli3604]

exactly

[@262ivanh]

That was pretty big brain of him ngl

[@slinkeepy]

Laughed hard at this X)

[@JimbozGrapez]

In the major communities I have full confidence in the mod teams to decide if emulation is or isn't okay. I mean jesus, these guys put out 30 page essays just to tell someone why their speedrun is accepted or rejected. These mods are doing like actual rocket science for speedruns, I trust they know what they are talking about when it comes to emulation.

[@LeNoir679]

I agree, was about to say the same thing!

[@YaroKasear]

My position on emulation is that it shouldn't be a barrier so long as it can be demonstrated to be accurate enough to be indistinguishable from the real hardware the way SMB is. Once it reaches that point it's just flat-out arbitrary to reject emulated runs among the mainstream records when it's shown there's literally nothing separating the two.

[@julienbronsch5039]

So you allow emulators on SMB? Cause there are like 3 or 4 different emulators that have reached that point now

[@manticore4952]

The problem is emulation isn't identical to the original hardware, it's a modern programming implementation that mimics how the original should behave. Emulators of the same type can even behave differently depending on the host that is running them. The only way to ensure things run accurately is to run original hardware.

[@brianhull2407]

@@manticore4952 While not wrong, the point being made was that _if_ you can show that there are no real differences between the two that affect gameplay, _then_ a particular emulator should be permitted.

[@brianhull2407]

⁠@@julienbronsch5039 MickFlowerPower speedran SMB3 using an emulator of sorts (the Wii Virtual Console) for awhile before getting an original NES.

[@Sianostrakarenrenren]

I honestly want to get super good at a game, swipe a world record, and submit it as a nobody just to make people freak out and accuse me of cheating.

[@187Streak]

Who is this cheater that tried to steal SMB WR from Badabun?

[@CraftIP]

not again that demon of the past is defeated

[@dpray96]

He wouldn't look nearly as cool when playing either.

[@stolenmonkey7477]

Everyone

[@TealZero]

It just occured to me the SMB speedrun is faster than the Sonic the Hedgehog speedrun. Truly, irony.

[@cattysplat]

Sonic levels are pretty big and have lots of verticality as well as spike and spring traps, you can't just run from left to right outside of green hill zone. In many ways Sonic 2D games actually require more precise platforming than Mario games.

[@spogmole]

@@cattysplat but sonic is fast tho

[@Arm_Kombat]

BLAST PROCESSING!

[@TealZero]

@@cattysplat By this logic, Mario levels are very wide, and have many pits and enemies that can kill you in one hit. In many ways the original Mario games require more skill and practice than 2D Sonic Games

[@yunguboa]

@@TealZero Both require the same amount of skill, but in different places imo

[@marioreds7826]

It's funny to see a video from two years ago asking if 4.54 is possible, and then the recent video by Kosmic asking if 4.53 is possible.

[@Spidercola]

He wasn’t asking if it was possible he was explaining the possible ways framerule saves could be found to get 4:53

[@jaybabe7767]

I think if you can just beat the original with 3 lives that is enough to impress me.

[@strawhataddison]

In a trust-based community like speed-running, you probably need a zero-tolerance policy for known cheaters.

[@jaromchristensen5598]

@@zagorsaxe I disagree with your analogy. The reason we should be more careful with criminals is because the consequences of being falsely accused as a criminal are much more dire, potentially losing years of your life and any hope of future employment. The consequences of being falsely accused as a cheating speedrunner isn't going to ruin anybody's life. It's much better for the community as a whole to be able to trust runs, instead of having to prove a negative every single time someone breaks a record.

[@mymindworks6625]

@@jaromchristensen5598 your own point just collapsed on your own argument has it not? We're in 2020 dude, streaming and speedrunning can be considered employment due to the income it can bring in. If you're going to go complete cancel culture on a young person for accused cheating, then aren't you potentially ruining a future employment oppurtunity if it's zero-tolerance? The memes about GDQ, the left and the speedrunning communities are all conveniently and unironically wrapping up in a tight, but loop holed bow with these opinions that are being shared.

[@jaromchristensen5598]

MyMindWorks bruh...you know it’s not the same thing. To not accept a cheater’s speedruns as valid vs literally putting a person in jail. Come on, man. Chill.

[@mymindworks6625]

@@jaromchristensen5598 nd holy shit I didn't even fully read your last part. Again, the way you ironically, conveniently represent the memes of speedrunning communities is priceless. You do realise some of the biggest cheaters, are also the biggest and most popular players? Watch a few videos on this channel and you'll realise a runner who has been 2nd or 3rd place running the game for years, loses out on WR due to rng and then eventually cheats because they felt "they deserved it" is not a one off thing. Doom & Goldeneye this has happened fck loads of times. Going by your suggestion of using trust and going by the word of "trusted" players is what leads to corruption. Use that practice in other industries, see where it gets you. It's the same way the Police get biased support in the courts, even though that officer may have truly committed an offence. But "he's an officer! He'd never lie!" Is no different to "but he's 2nd place for 3 years! He'd never cheat!" Fair trial for everything and everyone. And in this mans case, sure get a few extra people on Jury.. But to prosecute an ex-con on a seperate accusation before a trial is even heard? (I.e, to outright ban one previous cheater, before even being given a chance) inconsiderate, lack of function, and deeply hypocritical.

[@Luizfernando-dm2rf]

​@@jaromchristensen5598 Well, this argument can be made to "real" society aswell, less criminals are good for everyone, so it would be more efficient to just punish everyone that gets accused, right? Well... there shouldn't be something like punishing a innocent person for collective interest, no matter if it's better for the community/society or not. The reason why we need to prove someone guilty is because of ethics, it's wrong to punish someone for something they didn't do, be it a murder or a fake run.

[@werdwerdus]

if they clearly outlined the proof expectations ahead of time, including showing the cables connected, and the expectations were not met, then the run cannot be accepted

[@kaiseremotion854]

i believe the cables connected wasnt in the original expectations, but was asked on the spot. though he probably should have tried harder (if he is being truthful idk i like giving people the benefit of the doubt)

[@Frilleon]

They didn’t outline that for SMB1, but it’s an obviously fake run. Nobody stops trying to prove their otherworldly run after 2 seconds of trying. It makes no sense.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@Frilleon if someone legits gets a good record out of no where then it make sense that they would prove it more than an known good player would as poeple would naterually be more skepitcal

[@carteljameson8395]

@@windows95leon Yeah, I actually agree with this. He complied with all the rules. Even if showing the cables is really a simple request, that wasn't part of the rules they set for him. I blame the mods for this situation, whether he cheated or not.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@windows95leon he did the a button test as well so he did the exact things and more

[@lucyloo2228]

So are we saying I can cheat by hiding something behind my tv. But as long as I show my controller and and cables then I’m good? Sweet.

[@DaveDurango]

As an outsider to speed running, anyone caught cheating should be banned from holding any records in any official leaderboards.

[@Ender41948]

I think that's a bit of a nuclear option. People CAN change. I do, however, promote scrutiny and skepticism for past cheaters.

[@SirTylerGolf]

Why would you ban them from the records only? Considering every time but the records doesn't make sense

[@xxEzraBxxx]

@@SirTylerGolf A record as in preferring to a personal record

[@DaveDurango]

@Fugp Basis It depends on the level cheating. If you FIX and an entire sports game, you're most likely never going to be involved in another game again.

[@ThaAwesome10]

Ah yes, I will get second place runs ez for days and they will be verified. Uh oh, I got #1, my run was rejected!

[@ScarecrowKeynes]

Thing i dont like is how the runner immediately yelled how he tied the record the split second he touched the ax. I feel like a normal reaction would be to take half a second to process what your time is and then be like holy shit I tied record. Seems to me like he knew what his time would be before he even got past Bowser.

[@snowthemegaabsol6819]

He knew the time from the bowser pattern. It's always the same if you enter on the same frame

[@aaronruf8421]

Pretty sure if you're that pumped on adrenaline your intake is much much quicker. Plus people can also be a bit hasty with their presumptions of outcomes

[@TaGF_Tomcat]

But when ur adrenaline gets that high, wouldn't reactions be high too? There's been times where I felt like I was reacting to things before they were happening n shit, yknow?

[@elliotgibsonroberts6672]

His chat was saying tied record aswell, he might've seen it there

[@BonW]

@@snowthemegaabsol6819 That's true. I mean, I would expect like a moment of shock or a slight delay from the realization that he tied the record, instead of reacting to it at the exact time they tied, but that's just my hypothesis and I'm not even active at all in the speedrunning community, so I can't really say what a normal reaction would be like.

[@Melsharpe95]

"It's fake, mon." - Hermes Conrad.

[@GPowtlaw2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@waffleyumboyr5342]

Futurama is awesome and you're right

[@Bukkyplays]

This channel commentary gives me JCS Criminal Psych vibes and I love it

[@ringee6929]

Aww man now I want to watch summoning salt

[@CarlVercetti]

This has the same credibility of "my uncle works at sony japan and he got a playstation 6 but I can't show to you!"

[@Kiara_Wrestler]

🤣🤣🤣

[@XEpicGodX]

"My uncle works at Nintendo"

[@ThaAwesome10]

Not even close to comparable

[@pixesukola764]

Seems legit to me. Breaking the WR is easy, pointing the camera at the cables, that's the real challenge IMO.

[@tropickslol]

I have a lot of practice in the cable community, and, having multiple wr runs in pointing my phone's camera at the back of a tv, I can confirm that I do indeed hold the world record, whatever that may be

[@jonathonellis5604]

Especially if said tv is either hung on a wall or even close to a wall, you have to shift the entire TV Which if your playing on an original NES means one of those Brick TV's with the AVI's and those things weigh anywhere from 2-5 kilo's

[@heckno15yearsago]

@@jonathonellis5604 True.

[@VentA_7]

Look at his CRTV and the small gap he tried to go through

[@IAm-zo1bo]

Neither are easy

[@SixFourZero]

I dont know if i trust his record, but someone coming out of nowhere to beat the top record is totally possible

[@SirTylerGolf]

Weird thing is that that didn't even happen here, he's been publicly streaming the game consistently for over 2 years now

[@Winasaurus]

@@SirTylerGolf Yes but not submitting times until you break the record is always seen as suspicious. Especially if it's the case of one years ago, then one a week ago, then world record. It just looks like you came back to cheat, submitted a weak attempt so you can point to it as proof you playing for real, then submitted a cheated one. Not saying that's what happened here, but it's happened a lot where the guy who comes out of nowhere with a record is a liar.

[@SirTylerGolf]

@@Winasaurus yeah you've described a possible cheating scenario, but lekukie didn't come out of nowhere, far from it

[@ThaAwesome10]

Kosmic got his 4:55 on his 9th attempt, and the first attempt out of 1-2 and his run was verified so his run is prob legit

[@nyarthecat8195]

​@@ThaAwesome10 are you trying to say that kosmic got 4:55 on his ninth run ever of smb1

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Just a quick thought on emu for competition in general not just speed running: It's not only practical, but a NECESSITY if we want these old games to survive into the modern era. There is no real reason why not. Hell I've been playing emulators in my phone for years because I can fit entire systems libraries on the thing it's not until we get to ps3 levels that the games are too big to realistically Put on your phone in most cases. I mean you see the change in gamers today. Whole generations have grown up without a console, they play on PC. And allot of gamers have grown up with wasd as their default control scheme. Even in the fighters I play, I grew up in the arcade so I have a stick collection. It's how I learned, how I'm most comfortable, but increasingly, the top players are showing up with HitBoxes and Mixboxes and pads. It's how they learned, how they're comfortable. And why not! Why spend as much as the dang game system (or even more for a really good one) just for what is essentially a specialized controller? My point is as time goes on, things change. Everything has to change to survive and if we want new players for our old games, we need to be open to change as well. One of my saddest stories is being an owner of a pretty awesome Sega Saturn library and knowing that if they never get emulation working for Saturn games, one day those games will be gone, completely unplayable. The Saturn itself is a finicky piece of hardware that required a ridiculous external battery and external memory (and possibly converter if your library is a GREAT one, like mine.) So if the battery was left too long and has corroded the system or if you don't have a backup memory card or if any one of a number of different "Go-Wrongs" pop up, no gamey gamey for you my friend, not on original hardware. So to sum it up I'll just reiterate, emulation is a MUST to preserve and pass on our gaming legacy to the next generation, our sons and daughters, the new gamers. We say, "Hey check this out! Now we have 3D graphics, but when I was your age everything was just as fun, if only a little more...flat." The fact new games in the 8 and 16 bit styles are being made for the PS5 and XBOX series X/S is just proof to me that this style of game is just that now, a style to choose from to make the game, an aesthetic choice in the developers tool kit, not a limitation forced by technology. And people buy it! Because good game is good game regardless of time period, graphics, or complexity of gameplay. That's why I implore all developers find a way to save your old games and IP's, embrace emulation instead of fighting it. It's not going anywhere and and if you support and promote it LEGALLY you can make money off of it, instead of, well, you know, YAAAARRRRR-HAAAAAARRRR!!!!! Just a ranty 2 cents from an ancient gamer nobody asked for. If you made it this far, give yourself a pat on the back and gold 🌟 ⭐ from me! 😁 Thanks for reading all this you really are kind for doing so. In the words of my favorite KZbinr: Take care, toodle-oo, bye!!!

[@gunsandroses896]

The "it's too hard to show the cables behind the TV" sounded like a prison inmate trying to hide the knife in his pocket.

[@GhostedGamer]

"why didnt you show the cables" "my tv is wireless"

[@rifath8152]

Fun fact: Prisoners don't hide stuff in their pocket. They hide them in their ass.

[@trajectoryunown]

@@rifath8152 Moral of the story: If you wanna hide something, it helps to not be full of shit.

[@Rabbit-o-witz]

It seems like the cables run behind that giang ass tv (these things are really heavy).

[@BenMaguireLONEWOLF9989]

@@Rabbit-o-witz He had to have expected that this would be asked. He knows that the mod team are on his ass. Jumping from 88th to tied 1st suddenly definitely would necessitate that kind of proof.

[@123natemans]

A mod asked him to show the cable and he didn't. That's enough to deny the run imo. But this also shows that even stronger methods need to be put in place to prevent cheating.

[@tyhy1]

If it's not in the rulebook, he doesn't need to do it. Moderators can't just start asking (rather, tellein/ordering) for stuff that's isn't a requirement. Same for cops. They can't just arrest you for stuff that isn't against the law.

[@123natemans]

@@tyhy1 But this isn't a legal issue, it's a speedrun leader board. Rules can be amended if it's within reason and there should be no reason he would refuse to show the cable.

[@CuulX]

@@tyhy1 he doesn't need to do it, true. But the mods don't have to accept his run either. Everyone is free to do as they please. The mod didn't hold a gun to his head snd didn't deny the cheater his rights. Being accepted on the leaderboard is a privilidge for those that voluteer the reasonable evidence it wasn't cheated, not a right. Not a good comparison to cops.

[@tyhy1]

@@CuulX if he doesn't have any rights to be included than this entire video is a moot point. All these comments don't matter, neither yours nor mine. But still you felt the need to respond. As to the comparison to cops and the law, I think it is a good comparison. Moderators just like cops pay attention if the rules or laws are being followed.

[@tyhy1]

@@123natemans Did they amend the rule and applied it reteoactively?

[@masshole7447]

10:44 there is a stutter. Either from your edit or someone else. Right after he jumps past the first black cannon.

[@dietske5042]

the way you say LEGENDS just makes me feel epic thanks man xx c:

[@KazeN64]

It does not matter how tight the rules get. In the end you could always make a TAS playback romhack and claim any world record for free while just pretending to play. It's not even difficult to do. You could even put in a button combo to go back to human input, then resume the TAS playback on the next level or something.

[@thewitheredstriker]

^^^^

[@telmnamm7549]

To do that you have to be very good at editing and you'd have to build up to it

[@Bro3256Films]

Anyone can fake runs at home but I'd say runners are considered legit if they can preform in a live event (not saying that would excuse some runners for potentially cheating in the past tho)

[@Amaraticando]

Bouncing between TAS and human might cause desyncs though.

[@avilesjuangaming]

@@Bro3256Films a lot of times the best players are the ones who cheat though

[@weetabixharry]

Fake. He's not even eating pizza.

[@tomoda7602]

i wassnt convinced, but you just did. Thanks

[@Wavy667_]

Don't forget the Coke and higher pitched gameplay

[@mystic1029]

@@Wavy667_ heart monitor, he needed one of those too.

[@Oxxyjoe]

hahahaha

[@Canadian_Ice]

@@mystic1029 make sure it flips between 2 numbers, never going up.

[@bobapjok4241]

I think the bigger deal is doing it on the keyboard. As a normal player whenever i try to play the game online with a keyboard it is just too hard. the buttons and control pad are on opposite sides of a standard controller and i just can overcome the muscle memory. Im amazed he can do that with a keyboard

[@tylerisntasheep6854]

the wr right now is on keyboard and mouse

[@danielwhite4942]

11:09 game isnt pushed down in the nes

[@thaawesomealt]

You can still play like that

[@danielwhite4942]

@@thaawesomealt There i was sitting there as a kid freaking out cause it started squeeking ooft

[@TKUltra971]

1) He knew he was breaking a world record before the timer would even stop after finishing the game. In this video he's shown to do it twice. 2) Covered the camera while showing the back of the console connecting into the CRT TV. Even if it was "too difficult" why cover the camera? 3) Cheated before in the past 4) Touched a game for a top speed then magically never touches the game again? Not common among speed runners. Circumstantial but it reeks to high heaven of Bull Crap.

[@UleVee]

But as Karl said, all of that is circumstantial and not exactly damning evidence... This really is just a very complex question to answer as judges have to remain impartial and provide irrefutable evidence.

[@TheRagnel]

@@wateriswet0510 reading comprehension isn't that good huh ? 2) Out of subject, why does having a phone changes the fact that he covered the camera and didn't show the cables on the CRT TV ? It would actually be easier to show with a phone than a regular camera or webcam as well.... 4) He was talking about his "1st try WR" on The Lost Levels

[@moisesmontecillo7570]

Idk guy this seems just completely speculative and essentially without any actual hard evidence. Listen if he cheated then yeah that's obviously not good but to just speculative and to reach your conclusion based on feeling isnt very a good way to present and confirm. Your case.

[@zelk4962]

1: Experienced Super Mario Bros' speedrunners can easily know if they're on pace or not, and the hammers from bowser make it look even easier. 2: (Kind of?) Agreed. 3: You shouldn't say its a cheated run just because he has cheated years before. 4: There are a lot of crazy speedrunners who have been playing for under a year and are on the top of the leaderboard.

[@jonmayer]

Don't forget the proving he's not cheating over and over before being accused. This is what liars do, they over explain because they think it'll strengthen their case.

[@ZorotheGallade]

The even more impressive feat was that with the hand-cam on at all time he had to eat his pizza with his face alone.

[@vladdtronnz6924]

I laughed so hard imagining the pizza slice taped onto his face and him just chewing away

[@elliotgibsonroberts6672]

Maybe with his toes?? I'm sorry

[@RDRJJ]

Or he had someone feed it to him. That or he has a hidden 3rd arm

[@rooty]

Can i just say a huge thank you for saying niche instead of nitch. You save me an eye twitch every time.

[@micropig6098]

Just woke up looking forward to being an absolute legend

[@BomazXD]

I love how he doesn’t hype up to the fact it’s fastest he has done while getting up to end and at the end he knows it’s tied straight away.

[@meanfaceearl2]

Because of the bowser patterns and you can’t see it but they have a timer

[@castafiorept7309]

As a note, that type of thing is not uncommon in legitimate speedruns. Many games have emding sequences or sections that are basically fixed at the pace which it can be done. I'm not sure how much that applies to this variation, but in many runs you can usually tell before you clock in your time what your final time will be.

[@TheMcClover]

That is editing. Karl is only showing the last 6 seconds of LeKukie's run.

[@mauer1]

Yes, especially in this mario game the bowser patterns are based on the the time. So if the run is like perfect and the bowser patterns lign up, you just know it is tied. Because to have it beaten you probably need some additional tricks to use.

[@NoahAlbrecht]

I was scared for a second, I thought the video was about Niftski’s record

[@jatloe]

same omg

[@Eyedunno]

ditto

[@DarnokPL]

same, eh (now I feel sad)

[@ThaAwesome10]

@@DarnokPL why?

[@DarnokPL]

@@ThaAwesome10 I feel sad because of my disrespect :P

[@morningbowl3156]

“Happening in May of this year” Karl can time travel? It’s March right now!

[@Mahfy3w]

This may be a joke but check the year this vid is uploaded :)

[@SpitefulAZ]

you should do videos about the records for soft lock, and all 1up mushrooms

[@RegalPixelKing]

I'd say that immediately giving up on showing the the cables are hooked up to the TV and covering the camera with your hand are enough to make this run too suspicious when paired with the fact that he cheated in previous runs. With that said I feel like a cheater in a previous run should still be accepted in new games and maybe even the same game if they take all of the needed steps to prove that everything is legit. Also about emulation, there's nothing wrong with it, it should be just as accepted as somebody who plays on the original hardware as long as the emulator is accurate enough.

[@chinogambino9375]

The problem is it mostly based on trust in the runners and moderators at the end of the day. An emulator with no tools would be a start but then you could also have external applications running inputs. You could have a slightly laggy lower framerate hand camera for plausible deniability and do a very convincing mime act with pre recorded tas. It becomes a matter of priorities, the mods could go nuclear and demand specific set ups, cameras, live cam of the runner pulling AV cables out the back of their console killing their CRT feed at the start of sessions, requiring input dumps from emulators etc. However there's no money involved in this and its primarily for fun; making it expensive and oppressive goes against that. On the other hand losing competitive integrity robs motivation and fun from the community as well. Even if I agree former cheaters should be allowed to compete the simplest way to ensure the hobby can remain cheap and fun is not accepting former cheaters runs on the leaderboard.

[@merlith4650]

while you can argue about "second chances", it's hard to ignore the elephant in the room when it comes to a former cheater. by cheating they have already proven to be capeable of lying and deception. so how can you ever be sure if they have truly repent and become legit, or simply perfected their methods for cheating and deception?

[@zscout1288]

@@chinogambino9375 I think a cheater could be allowed in to a new community after a year or two after the incident. But definitely not right away. People don't change overnight.

[@zscout1288]

I watch it back in slow motion and noticed he was holding the phone in his right hand and he grabs the phone with his left hand and appears to be doing something with his right hand. While I understand that this alone doesn't prove anything I am baffled why he didn't at least try to show us the space behind the tv.

[@tylerhorn3712]

The problem with an emulator is that you can use save states. So beat a level, use a save then try to get a good enough time on the next one. As long as it's a different category it should be fine.

[@VideoGameVlad84]

I was confused by the title. New Super Mario Bros record? Super Mario Bros record? Super Mario World record? Super Mario Bros World Record? I was the one raising huge questions.

[@Mixa_Lv]

Yeah, the title could use some punctuation or different wording.

[@xenon2561]

* New super mario bros world

[@VideoGameVlad84]

@@Mixa_Lv New 'Super Mario Bros.' looks better, right?

[@VideoGameVlad84]

@@xenon2561 Sounds like a bootleg game, haha.

[@willthompson925]

I actually speedrun New Super Mario Bros. , the DS game so this title was incredibly misleading and I got excited when I read the title. Our WR holder hasnt done anything suspicious lol

[@gushubbard7389]

They verified lekukies run and now it’s tied for third!

[@metroid767]

Now 4th

[@oddballzfrank]

What I learned from GH and grinding in general is that anything can happen- and it can happen entirely at random

[@wasserungeheuer-918]

Well he was asked to show the cables going inside his TV and he didnt so no record. It's easy as that. Refuse to give a blood sample for doping test after the race? No gold medal

[@helloperson9445]

Honestly I would have just done another run and have the TV further from the wall so I could show them or just pull the tv away

[@masonverse]

To be fair his setup does seem kinda messy and he probably would have to move some stuff around in order to show the connected cables. Still he should have at least tried.

[@BloodShed4REAL]

It's more suspicious given the fact you can clearly see the composite cables are connected to the front of the TV.

[@4everdex]

@@masonverse as Karl stated this is one of the most prestigious speedruns in all speedrunning. I would throw my (shitty old 4/3) tv out of the window to prove it right.

[@roftar]

@@BloodShed4REAL Wrong, it's a RCA cable and not composite cable.

[@Lh0000]

The difference in value time has from speed game to speed game is astonishing to me. Some games 3 seconds is nothing, but in a game as optimized as this it may as well be 3 minutes.

[@666vhd]

at 11.44 you can see the cart hasn't been pushed down in the console?. I don't remember the game starting without doing that.

[@TKRuna]

That's a common mod - factory model 1 NESes tend to have the springs in the cartridge slot go out of whack after a long time, so games stop booting. A replacment edge connector removes the push down thing entirely.

[@666vhd]

@@TKRuna Ah cool, had no idea.