Kratos and Freya Secret Romance EXPLAINED! God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secret Dialogue

Kratos and Freya Secret Romance EXPLAINED! God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secret Dialogue
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[@VideoGameSophistry]

Just to be clear the FIRST bit of dialogue is the same for everyone but having played this everyway possible the ONLY way to get the second bit (the real juicy bit where Mimir insists they are in love) THAT requires you to beat the hard part strangely. Also, if maybe Freya and Kratos met Baldur in Valhalla and he forgave them - WOULD THAT GIVE FREYA A SHOT AT LOVE?

[@danceadaniel1804]

Hi, I don't think you have to beat the hard part to hear that dialogue, I didn't and still got it

[@kingartison]

I believe that freya is uhhh like they said about quiet and big boss “She’s in love with the Legend” and THAT my friends is a accomplishment all the time everytime 😎💯

[@DigitalHeliumJumper]

i don't know what you're smoking but mimir isn't insisting anything. how tf do you get "they are in love" from this dialogue? do you have no comprehension when it comes to nuances?

[@holitinne]

Kratos: *(sees a circle button above him)* “Huh, that’s new…” Freya: “Bow to your queen…”

[@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals]

Kratos: *sits on his throne*

[@colored433]

​@@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals Then Freya sits on his throne.

[@UmbrellaPharmaceuticals]

@@colored433 lol Kratos: f*** yes, there is room enough for two. But you would have to sit on my lap

[@ajizel13]

Suddenly she makes a whip out of vines

[@Rhino-Prime]

​@@ajizel13Yo, this is gonna be some weird shit.

[@SaltCrocodile]

Freya: "You owe me a son Kratos!" Kratos: *Nervously looks up and sees a circle button*

[@MRFIKSIT31]

Spams O three times and let’s out a grunt of satisfaction. 🤣

[@renansantos6533]

​@@MRFIKSIT31 Don't forget moving the analog stick 😂😂😂

[@stellviahohenheim]

another small circle waist level

[@kennethsatria6607]

I think after the whole prophecy thing with Faye, and Freya talking about her true intentions, Kratos was at that point faced with the idea his wife was just following a prophecy in being with him. Sure it was proven to not be so and she was trying to rewrite it all for both him and Atreus, but the fact kratos still has that suspicion of being "useful" to someone instead of being "cared about" even as friends is really sad to me.

[@GodWorksOut]

This is the natural order. Look at any of your friends and they find you useful in some context. If they did not you would not be friends. In other words, you do something for them. Maybe it’s just make them laugh or make them not feel alone in the world, only they would truly know, but you are useful to them.

[@losetsuna]

@@GodWorksOut Agree, that's just how people are. We search in others things we lack or want.

[@koin799]

Mimir did say Kratos was growing grimm without Atreus or Fimbulwinter. With his new post probably he will grow more into human interaction

[@Yagasith]

​@@GodWorksOut what? I have friends not to be some"thing" that I need use for, hell even I don't think like that for once untill I read this comment. You basically saying your friends are people that you need for some certain "things"? Your friend is everything, specially best friend even more like family of everything.

[@ashtonpeterson4618]

​@GlamourousMercurial99 It's true but that's not all friends are. And the things we want from them aren't as petty as you think. Companionship is a desire we have from all of our friends for instance

[@fullsendabeerforme2988]

Kratos fully becoming god of hope and ending up with freya would be a tender ending. To which he deserves in my opinion.

[@newhybrid101]

He is the God Of War

[@fullsendabeerforme2988]

@@newhybrid101 you haven't completed the DLC yet have you? He even says himself to himself he's becoming a god of hope.

[@heracross888]

@@fullsendabeerforme2988 and war also just like freya is for love and nature

[@sentpain8354]

@@fullsendabeerforme2988 i think you took that line too literally. It does not mean he is the god of hope or anything, he knows this is a journey of coming to a decision if he should become the new God of War. He finds hope within himself, with guidance of others, and ultimately decides he should forgive himself and give that title a new meaning, just as tyr did before him, he will also redefine what it means to be the God of War. But no, Kratos is not being dubbed as the "God of Hope".

[@cjmodmanboom8518]

@@sentpain8354what about the trophy that you get for beating the dlc that is called “the god of hope” or something like that

[@freezusvikin6778]

at the end of the day I think freya would realise that it WAS her fault baldur died, not kratos, it was her who cursed baldur to not feel anything, not to eat, pleasure or feel anything for a long decade, Baldur forgot all about his mother until we throw him into hel, which brings his trauma back and increases his urge to kill her, because he's lost his mind.

[@Causality01]

Baldur was cursed for over a century.

[@Saber23]

She’s already forgiven Kratos but there’s no goddamn “romance” between them bruh 🤣 that would just be cheap writing and weird for the plot

[@Saber23]

@@Causality01 yeah

[@jiggiesmalls9034]

It’s wasn’t Freya’s fault Baldur died it was Odin’s. That was literally the whole point she forgave Kratos, but I can see that went over your head. Baldur would never have died if Odin hadn’t sent him to his death.

[@hayday344]

Freya X Kratos doesn't appeal me. I have always had a liking for Athena x Kratos becoming a thing in GoW3 ending. It made so much sense to me. Don't hate me for it, but I could explain how it would have worked. According to GoW1 & 2 Books it was implied Athena had feelings for him, also the devs said Athena had a thing for him in a video. She always cared for him, as she pleaded with Zeus to take his nightmares away. She does sacrifice herself in gow2 but when she returns, she realized Zeus never cared about her and there is no stopping Kratos. So she helps Kratos to take revenge on Zeus for herself and Kratos' wellbeing, not for her own greed in gow3. At the ending they realise they caused destruction and the gods always do that, mortals suffer because of them. So they release the power of hope making them never to be ruled by gods again. They leave Greece and build something new for themselves. In gow2018 just replace Faye with Athena, ofcouse by compensating somethings.

[@Brenediction]

Well he killed her son, so now he has to give her a new one.

[@medenilla12]

Hahahah so true

[@Vinn_Tree]

Call him Kaldur

[@justinrodriguez5957]

Part of the policy and all that.

[@docmcdonald4101]

😂😂😂😂 and they’ll name him Deimos lol

[@Bojack1135]

He did. She adopted atreus at the end of the main game.

[@JackMicklemyer]

Y’all forgot, Freya is the goddess of love . It can probably easily be misconstrued because her nature is to nurture & love . She loved baldur so much. She cursed him to not feel. I think it’s in her nature to mother & seem flirtatious. Think Aphrodite

[@sentpain8354]

yeah and we all know what happened last time Kratos saw Aphrodite..

[@JackMicklemyer]

@@sentpain8354 that was the “old” Kratos 😉

[@abstract5249]

Aphrodite is different. She's all about physical attraction, not emotional connection.

[@mr.horseshoe2301]

Gods of Love and Hope. It’s a fantastic coupling that they both deserve.

[@serge263]

Even the VA for Freya is kind of shipping Freya and Kratos. To be honest. I would ship it.

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

Shipping a son killer and a mother is pretty absurd. No matter how redeemed said son killer is now

[@jjayala5512]

​@@TheAcidicMolotovif ur son was Jeffrey Dahmer, you getting mad at his killer?

[@8440k]

I’m not a parent but it’s hard to see a romantic connection with a man who killed your son, no matter how wrong one’s son was or how redeemed the killer is.. it’ll take multiple centuries maybe over a thousand years to see things in that way..

[@MickiMoller]

@@jjayala5512 well she loved Baldur, so I don't think you can just erase her feelings with "but he was evil tho"

[@BouncingZeus]

@@MickiMoller She knows he knows how hard it is. She understands he feels her pain in a far more worse way. He killed his own daughter and it still haunts him. He turned away from his daughter to save the world which is included in this DLC. A trauma bond that is likely very powerful.

[@WhiteInk47]

I don’t think they’ll get together. I think they’re trying to showing that they’re very close friends who care for each other, which honestly I find much more meaningful between them than a romance plot

[@persianking44]

Yeah, admittedly I thought that with the first few scenes in the DLC with them together, romance was what they were going to go with. But seeing that it was rather Freya asking Kratos to basically be a part of the new pantheon of gods (or the "Council" as she calls it), and the two remaining strong friends and allies, is actually indeed much more meaningful and I'm glad Santa Monica didn't cave in to that sort of fan pressure.

[@Nightlizard1564]

@@persianking44I do see it happening later on ngl

[@jiggiesmalls9034]

I hope it doesn’t happen. I’m honestly exhausted with the trope that lead male characters and lead female characters will always end up together ( no matter how well or poorly developed their relationship is). Let men and women just be friends or partners 😭

[@ajizel13]

Doesn't have to be a subplot... it could just be something that just happens...

[@Rhino-Prime]

In the actual mythology after ragnarok freya marries a guy whos name roughy translates to angry man amd kratos fits that

[@touremuhammad5983]

Off-topic opinion: Mimir should’ve convinced Freya to marry Týr instead of Odin.

[@avikan2482]

Although that totally would make a stronger couple for sure, main reason Mimir put Freya with Odin was so Odin could personally learn Vanir magic and Odin was really the one who lead the Aesir vs Vanir conflict

[@MT-iw6sl]

What? Odin was leader of the Aesir, Freya was leader of the Vanir? How the fuck would Freya and Tyr marrying keep the peace between the Vanir and Aesir? Marrying Freya to Odin, MAYBE Thor, would be the answer for keeping the peace. What the fuck?

[@newhybrid101]

Tyr is presumably younger than her, personally i love going for older women but in such ancient customs it was almost unheard off

[@theworldender666]

​@@newhybrid101 you love going for older women? what the hell

[@antoniohagopian213]

​@@theworldender666probably isn't grandma style. Like imagine he is in his 20s and he likes women in their 40. Or something like that.

[@natanaelsantos3924]

Did you guys see the way Freya's eyes look at Kratos? You can't convince me that this isn't her giving him bed eyes.

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

yea a couple of years is all it takes to get over your kids death and killer

[@newhybrid101]

​@@TheAcidicMolotovThe eyes are undeniable,she has conflict due to what happened but biology and instinct is still there

[@isalenna6600]

As another comment stated, "You owe me a son."

[@macpj12j]

​@@TheAcidicMolotov her son choiced to die one way or another and he deserved it isnt kratos burdened she already understand that .

[@JamesCourse66]

I think for story writing they will end up getting together. I think the next instalment in the series will showcase a couple romances. Freya and Kratos will subtly (maybe even privately) be together, Atreus in his travels will be visited by Angrboda and their love will blossom, and Sigrun who has been helping Atreus will understand herself and realize Mimir is the love of her life. However, at least one pairing has got to be destroyed for story purposes.

[@conormcguinness3215]

Doubt they’ll do a third Norse game, maybe a dlc but it won’t have all this

[@saffsunday9030]

@@conormcguinness3215think they said something about an Atreus game in the works

[@JamesCourse66]

@@saffsunday9030 I think so. So much to explore there. Atreus will probably experience a tragedy and will need to fight to still be a good person when facing the culprit.

[@JamesCourse66]

@@conormcguinness3215 They’ll have another game for sure, probably somewhere like Egypt. It’ll likely follow Atreus with Kratos as the secondary or tertiary character. It could be that they have an Atreus DLC for Ragnorak like we just got a Kratos DLC but if so it’ll just bridge the gap before another game in a few years.

[@Thecoolguy463]

Unfortunately…I think Mimir may die in an upcoming title 😢

[@DJKO12X]

First Lysandra, then Faye, and now Freya? Now Atreus have a stepmom and soon another half sibling.

[@luckymark571]

Well in the norse mythology, Loki does have to siblings i think...

[@inlaidaniki2999]

@@luckymark571I mean Calliope is his sibling

[@luckymark571]

@@inlaidaniki2999 Well yeah but, i think she died or her soul is wandering around cause Greece got destroyed including the underworld/elysium and also he has two brothers in the lore i think

[@inlaidaniki2999]

@@luckymark571 I mean she is considered her sibling since I don’t think Kratos needs another child

[@christianhenry4173]

If you remember in 2018, she always looked at Atreus as like a step mother. Even in God of war 4. Freya was catching feelings for him even then before her son's death.

[@plsrngesus6381]

Y'all need to remember one thing: you may play as Kratos, but you aren't Kratos.

[@newhybrid101]

Correct,if i was Kratos i would have already hit that

[@LordRichard5451]

​@@newhybrid101Facts 💯

[@JesG.]

Quiet BOYYYYY

[@13tturner]

It's possible if they consider Kratos as Odr, which translates to fury/frenzy in old norse. Odr is Freya's husband in which she has two daughters with.

[@RazSofer-xh3qs]

Freya: You owe me a son Kratos!

[@Kevink4240]

Freya soon to become Step Mommy for Atreus and here we have the next plot 😂

[@nextgen5619]

I love the direction Kratos and Freya have been going but I doubt they’ll have any romantic interest in each other as Kratos has lost two wives and I feel that kratos wouldn’t try to attempt another relationship as it may only end in loss and more pain. As for Freya she’s finally been freed from a toxic relationship with Odin and can finally make herself happy I feel like she’s on a journey towards self love for a while.

[@BigJohn303]

Freya is immortal. So Kratos does not have to worry about her dying from sickness or old age like Faye and lysandra.

[@jamesgreen9712]

Both his marriages lasted for decades but Kratos as a god will live centuries if not for thousands of years, you judge his view on relationships as if he was mortal but it is not the case, he cant be alone for thousands of years, thats partly why he was able to get together with Faye. Plus, Kratos knows better now and he has Faye's blessing from the last flashback we saw before Ragnarok "The culmination of love is grief and yet we love despite the inevitable... Open your heart to the world as you have opened it to me and you will find every reason to keep living in it", Kratos was afraid that loosing Faye would cost him his happiness but Faye tells him that he won't as long as he keeps building new connections with people as he once built with Faye herself. Plus, Freya is pretty much just as immortal as Kratos is because of her godhood, they could possibly be together for much longer than he ever was with his first wife or Faye. Now after the events of Valhalla Kratos is mostly at peace with himself and fears of loss and grief are beneath him

[@donutgamer5553]

This​@@jamesgreen9712

[@TheMysteriouswatcher]

​@@BigJohn303 Freya is absolutely not immortal. Norse gods can not only be killed but also need to eat the apples of Idunn to retain their youth.

[@BigJohn303]

@TheMysteriouswatcher There are different levels of immortality. You got immortality to where you can never die of old age and diseases but still be killed. GOW Norse mythology is different from our worlds Norse mythology. Freya is immortal in this.

[@Elchinguirito802]

Well in Norse mythology Loki does have siblings...

[@FreemanicParacusia]

And in that same mythology Freya has two daughters by a second husband after Ragnarok.

[@DS-vb1ms]

Hate and love are quite closer together, Kratos has time hundreds, thousands of years as does Freya to grow fond in the heart they have shared experiences of loss. They worked together to remove Odin and Freya did put baldurs passing to odins doing as he did with Thor. Kratos is one of the strongest in their world, he freed Freya’s trap. Kratos has left Atreus to finding his way while he is seeking companionship as he journeys on. Ancient Greek stories had complex love stories as have Norse myths such as the birth of lokis children the wolf and serpent. Kratos has a complex relationship with faye. Also Freya was enemies with Odin when she married Odin from the story. A lot of the inspiration in the game from interviews seems to borrow from Corey B life, people find romantic partnerships sometimes in complex ways and grow when raising kids

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Kratos of War needs to ust a nut. He can’t just beat off in his cabin in the woods forever

[@ryanfritz8903]

Only way they’d become a couple is if something is done about Baldurs soul. Like he sees Freya again and tells her he’s alright. There would have to be lots of time passed too if Kratos and Freya become a thing. I don’t think they’ll do that but I kinda ship it. In real mythology Freya has two daughters with an unknown man. That hasn’t happened yet.

[@isaiasvalladares4210]

Kratos will give her those two daughters 😂😂😂

[@imageispower20]

If the christianization myth of the Epic is used we could see Baldr waking up in the middle east and marrying a little lady named Mary. What with the syncretism of Baldr and Jesus being connected. would be funny if the Original plot of god of war 4 starts that way with Kratos being one of the 3 Wise men.

[@maironaulendil8318]

She has some children with a God called Odr, which means "frenzied one", which could fit Kratos. Frenzy = a state or period of uncontrolled excitement or wild behavior - sounds much like say... spartan rage, huh?

[@eragonbromsson1122]

Yeah, Hnoss and Gersemi.

[@yungrottz112]

honestly it'd be impossible for them not to end up together, just working that closely with someone you have a good chemistry already, things build

[@RafaelGarcia-ci4tb]

Freya: You owe me a son Kratos! Kratos: press ⭕️

[@boiiixd]

I don’t care what anybody says, look at her eyes. That smile. It’s DEFINITELY possible.💀

[@devinmanley4094]

I think they should remain close friends and allies. She doesn’t have to forget what he did to Baldur, but she can grow to trust his instincts and see his point of view and forgive him entirely. Lead makes and females don’t have to end up together. But they can be close. Freya has love for Atreus, and I think she will serve as a maternal figure without that necessitating her becoming his step-mom.

[@devinmanley4094]

However, I will say the connection of Kratos to Óðr, Freya’s husband, also makes a compelling argument. He’s “divine madness/frantic/anger/vehement/frenzy,” of which some qualities apply to Kratos’ past but not necessarily his current developments. Freya has two daughters, Hnoss and Gersemi, with Óðr. Perhaps they adopt or raise children together? Who knows. There’s a lot they could do with this. All I know is I want whatever happens to seem natural.

[@brokemono]

@@devinmanley4094 Óðr is a seldom mentioned god in general. Kratos though...Even other pantheons know about him and mention him. If SMS bring Hnoss and Gersemi in then they might just be powerful orphans that Kratos and Freya will take care of and train? Bruh, I dunno this is speculation on top of a speculation, hahaha.

[@devinmanley4094]

@@brokemonoRight! It’s speculation on top of speculation. I think if they did want to equate the two, then they could keep Freya and Kratos as close friends yet equal partners and adopt, since having bio children together would seem…to take that away. While we’re speculating, I wish they could have the two daughters be Calliope and Pandora lol. Obviously who knows how that would happen and it most likely WILL NOT, but one can hope and dream there’s more continuity in Kratos’ life.

[@luntertherunter1771]

Exactly, man. Why does everybody think all of his female friends need to be a love interest?

[@KingOfQuinns]

I think that there is proof in mythology for their eventual marriage, Freya's husband in mythology translates as Divine Fury. And Kratos fits that definition to a tee.

[@Soh23]

Thanks for giving credit brother. Great video 👏

[@dande-lion]

You are insanely talented in the combat of the game!

[@Soh23]

@@dande-lionthank you bro, means a lot 🙏

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Thank YOU for being so bad ass at this game

[@Soh23]

@@VideoGameSophistry❤️💪

[@tomrichards6986]

I'm sure they are just platonic friends, who care vary deeply for one another

[@FreemanicParacusia]

Historians describing every lesbian ever before the 20th century 😝

[@twilightknight7726]

You know where to be you know what could be a really good idea for another new DLC, helping out the dwarves helping out a certain one who lost everything

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

thank you for finding this in full, i saw half of it in a video about beating the first run without dying and it frustrated me cause it sounded important to the characters to actually talk about it. i don't really think Baulder's death will actually be a hindrance to the idea of them being together. If they go that way. Mostly because Kratos may of been the one to snap Baldurs neck, but Freya had during the events of Ragnorok accepted that the reason he died was due to Prophecy, what it drives one to do, and Odin, who used baulder like a tool not a son. if they went that route though it would definitely take time as Kratos while changing still takes time to change, and it's likely wouldn't be very physical at first. Plus I would imagine Kratos would want his son's opinion on the idea and we know Atreus hasn't swung back into the Realms sense he left.

[@EMD766]

Freya: Atreus is gone and one or another I’ll get a son out of you.

[@IamPotion]

I think Kratos likes freya but freya doesn’t like him the same yet. Kratos says that he values her, I don’t get why he would say this if it was in a friendly way. That would be me talking to my brother about how I’m best friends with my best friend even though it’s obvious. Mimir says that freya values Kratos in her own way. Kratos says that she only finds him useful. Why would mimir repeat the same phrasing as Kratos if it was only as friends? I think that freya is still feeling the sorrow or losing her son as well as the huge change in all the realms of Norse mythology. Off topic but I’d like to see Kratos defending the Norse land from gods who wish to conquer. Like make it where he faces half the Egyptian gods in battle, some join his side and others get the heimdall treatment. Then the next game after that would be Kratos going to Egypt to demand and explanation. Blah blah civil war between gods, Kratos booty claps the bad gods and then he gets asked to join the Egyptian pantheon. Things get awkward. He leaves. Tells Freya. Then freya goes “nuhuh you my daddy of war”. Bam they get together and give birth to some more god babies. Also if Kratos does be with someone it would be intense to see illusions of his past lovers haunt him.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Kratos & Freya deserve a happy ending together at the end of everything in my opinion LET THEM BE HAPPY ✅.

[@BrannanClark3027]

Why is this game therapy for me😫😊

[@etiennedewet3694]

I dont think Freya could ever feel that way towards Kratos. Whenever she looks at him despite all they have gone through, she will still see the man that killed her son.

[@ramoncruz1007]

Odin was the god who killed her people in war for so long, yet she gave that a chance for peace. Kratos has a much better shot regardless of the past. Real life stories of enemies becoming lovers shows that such a thing could happen.

[@nap0038]

The fact that Freya hasn’t fully recognized that it was her that killed her son means that her story isn’t complete yet. I’d wager once she realizes this, she’ll learn to forgive Kratos fully, which will happen with time anyhow.

[@macpj12j]

her son choiced to die one way or another and he deserved it isnt kratos burdened she already understand that . If it could happen let it happen what wrong with you

[@marcelprasetio9179]

circle combo will be crazy in the upcoming gow game

[@tomasbaldacci7566]

I henestly wouldn't mind either way. They are both such good characters that i feel it wouldn't take away.

[@enenrax]

Something is happening between them for sure

[@waalex11]

I'm sad I didn't get that hidden dialogue of unrequited love myself, but I'm glad I found about it from another video. I'm hoping they eventually become a couple, but I love the slow burn from the conflict that he killed her son.

[@The_Story_Of_Us]

She has forgiven him for killing Baldur or they wouldn't be so close. It seems unlikely to me that they'd go there in the future with this series, but with Kratos now accepting the position of god of war of the nordic realms and Freya in her own way assuming Odin's position, it wouldn't be too far fetched, especially perhaps if the games going forward take some of the focus off of Kratos and onto Atreus. Would be pretty funny, Atreus comes back to the realms to find Freya is officially his stepmom, which is another way in which it makes sense, she already has a pretty maternal care for Atreus, even since before they even knew her name.

[@oosmanbeekawoo]

The deep philosophy about Love at the end is what makes me love the new God of War games.

[@macpj12j]

Both share close story than tgey realize they deserve each other

[@AresSG]

Look it's not wishful thinking. Yes he killed Baldur her son but she knows it was not truly Kratos fault. Part of it was hers, most of it was Odin's and lets be honest Baldur had a choice. Secondly if anyone know's the Ragnarok myth then you know that Baldur is supposed to revive anyway at the end of it. They can play with that in the future. Thirdly, Freya has two more children named Hnoss and Gersemi according to Norse Mythology from a husband named Odr, which means divine madness, frantic, furious, vehement and eager. Also it could possibly mean "Frenzied One". Sound like anyone we know? Most scholar's believe Odr and Odin are one and the same but clearly God of War doesn't so where is Odr?

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

it is very much wishful thinking. killing a kid is not something you get over

[@AresSG]

@@TheAcidicMolotov He was an adult and Kratos gave him a choice. He told him to stop. Baldur's own fault. Also again, Baldur could revive.

[@Katokhann]

​@@TheAcidicMolotovBaldur wasn't a kid. Dude was a grown man who said he was going to go after Kratos again after killing Freya. Kratos was going to have to kill him sooner or later.

[@megablueflash1816]

​@@KatokhannWe know Baldur wasn't a kid. That's not how Freya sees him. To her, he'll always be her cherished boy even with the horrible things he did. And even if it was for the right reasons, Kratos still killed a son in front of his mother. So yeah, Freya will most likely move on from it. But she is definitely not forgetting it.

[@nhel1712]

In Norse mythology Freya have 2 daughter.. hnoss and gersemi.. so.. it's possible 😂

[@FreemanicParacusia]

And in that same mythology Baldur had a son, Forseti, who is repeatedly mentioned in GoW: Ragnarok but never seen on screen. Which means Freya is a grandmother, but we never see them meet or hear of any interaction between them. I wonder if she even knows.

[@NathanTruby]

The issue is they just got out of a messy situation, and Freya has only JUST forgiven Kratos for killing Baldur, and even then, she still holds resentment towards him. I can see them getting together, but it won't be for a long, long time.

[@Paratha4982]

"You owe me a son Kratos" "Hm"

[@kratos9954]

You never know, freya and kratos could fall in love in the future. There's just something there. Also, they can't be single forever. So i believe they will end up together

[@TheAcidicMolotov]

did you forget he killed her kid?

[@kratos9954]

@TheAcidicMolotov nope. But it wasn't Kratos' fault, and freya knows that. Trust the process they are going to end up together, not right away but in the future

[@fullsendabeerforme2988]

​​​@@TheAcidicMolotovDid you play Ragnarok? She's forgiven kratos in her own way my dude. 4:30 does this sound like a woman with a grudge? Did you even play the game and the DLC or are you just going off your imagination? Because they fr are setting kratos up to be the god of hope beside Freya and artreus will take over in the series as the main character.

[@offelijah7816]

Did you play the game do your research ​@@TheAcidicMolotov

[@belleville1805]

In my country, by the way it was dub, definitely confirms that Mimir at least see things happens, he said "I apologize, but I root for you two" instead of "...you'll work it out.", the meaning changes a lot, they were no suttle at all in this dialogue XD

[@winningishalfthebattle154]

If these two (Kratos & Freya) don't marry by the next game end I'll be very disappointed. Giving Freya a child in exchange for the one Kratos took away from her seems like a happy ending to me.

[@warriorwolf3588]

Imagine you!! A demi god, strong as fuck, knows discipline, gives no damn of your odds, protect those close to him and provide which women won't be attracted to him?

[@bgt2848]

Can we also just appreciate that Kratos opens up to mimir as an emotional confidant!

[@cwolffe510]

As nice as the idea may sound, I don't think anyone, not even Freya, could ever replace Faye. Faye helped Kratos in a way no one else possibly could, made an impact on him that no one else possibly could, hell she knew more about him than anyone else possibly could, with Mimir being a potential exception to that thanks to this DLC. Kratos said himself that he is the man he is now because of Faye. Not even Lysandra, his first wife, influenced him in such a way, apart from the whole swearing to kill Ares for tricking him into killing her thing. Freya does mean a lot to Kratos now, as he said himself, but I personally don't think it would make much sense for the two to go beyond anything more than confidantes and trusted allies.

[@BigJohn303]

Kratos will always love and cherish Faye. Just as he will always love and cherish lysandra. And I'm pretty sure he knows Faye would want him to move on and find someone to be happy with. Not spend all of eternity hung up on her. Moving on does not mean you have to forget about someone and what they have done for you in life. Or stop caring about them.

[@TheParadoxGamer1]

@@BigJohn303 yeah def, honestly i think that Kratos isnt replacing anyone, Faye wasn’t a replacement for Lysandra after all.

[@nap0038]

Faye said herself that she will always be a part of him and he a part of her. That’s the kind of language you use when you’re telling someone to move on. He doesn’t have to torment himself with the image of her, he’s raised Atreus well, he can be happy now. And if that includes finding another to love, she accepts that.

[@codecatx5]

Even when he had discussions with Faye in the main story Kratos said with her dead that part of him is gone and she rebuked that.

[@ozgesekerci8815]

Feel like if we ever get to witness kratos in Egyptian mythos, fraye will be a side kick or a cameo

[@NMbones98]

I always thought this was a possibility ever since the the 2018 game I'd be interested to see a possible child between the two what would the powerset look like?

[@TurtleTankMkI]

As much as things they have in common Having Kratos have a relationship while he literally misses Faye just really doesn't really makes sense for Kratos sadness up to this point

[@nilkanthwable2491]

thumbnail is lit.🤣

[@offelijah7816]

Fr

[@robertfeldmann542]

i want freya and mimir in future god of war games

[@newhybrid101]

Lets say i wouldnt trust them to not have like 2 or 3 kids atleast after a timeskip when Atreus comes back. Its gonna be like Mark reuniting with OmniMan

[@HaddaClu]

Theyre going to need a bigger house :P

[@newhybrid101]

​@@HaddaCluThe realms are their house after Ragnarok,they are good

[@ultimatelegend8306]

Din't freya say that "a part of her will always be angry at kratos for killing her child" when she decided to work together instead of fighting kratos? I don't think she could get into romance with kratos. Would be kinda weard having the man that killed your child be your partner. And yea we all know baldur had to be stopped and was unredeemable, wouldn't change, and all that so kratos had to kill him. But still... don't think that a romance between the 2 of them would work knowing that

[@jorgemoya1341]

Next game we will have some hate ducking for sure

[@hoopsonwheels]

Mimir: you love her Kratos: don’t be stupid

[@yerossyle]

It's too funny that Freya moves her eyes from left to right as if she's reading a script.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Out of hot jokes...i think they work as they are...Friends. United by procesing the death of beloved ones.

[@marquisjohnson518]

Imagine what a powerful, well-raised kid they could have, especially if they had a daughter with Valkyrie and rage rolled into one. We saw what Kratos’ gene with a giant’s (his wife Faye’s) resulted in from seeing Atreus in Ragnarok. A spartan, Valkyrie fusion would be very powerful considering how formidable each of them are in their own right 🤔. It also be a win for everyone. Kratos would have a wife, Freya gets a new child to care for (hopefully not making the same mistake she made with Baldur again when she made that enchantment before it was too late to make up for it), and Atreus gets a new sibling (favorably a sister from my thoughts because of the possible Valkyrie-spartan fusion)😏

[@luckymark571]

Circle button minigame maybe? 🤔

[@MRFIKSIT31]

He owes the woman a son afterall.

[@belleville1805]

That said, it would be great if Freya has a little bit of anger towards Kratos still, but overtime she would open up more to accept him fully. Honestly, they both deserve, like, really deserve a happy life. I mean, they are far away from they children, one way or another. I like the idea of romance any day as long is well writing

[@frankcheco7550]

I thought everyone cus see this dialogue. Didn’t know it was a secret one

[@jackslater8573]

I don't think they have to be full on lovers, Not all relationships need such titles, Kratos has had 2 marriages one of them ending in one of the most terrible and traumatizing ways imaginable. Freya had gone through a lot in her lifetime as well, a terrible marriage with Odin to attempt a broker at peace, cursed to stay in Midgard, losing her son Baldur and her brother Freyr. The foundation of what makes the relationship between these two so charming is that they've both carried weights of the world nobody should have ever had to, but they can both take some solace in the fact that they can understand each other and support each other, in doing so they help the other to see what meaning and beauty life still has. Thats not to say other figures in Kratos's life were smaller than Freya's such as Faye, I'd argue that they have had a much bigger impact on the character that he is, Freya is but a small piece in that puzzle and Kratos is a small piece in hers. Pain is the string that has tied these two characters and theres so much beauty in that, but at the same time for them to welcome another into their hearts so readily and passionately as fans want them to would deny the weights their pasts both carry. However I don't think it would be a bad move for the story to advance their relationship, A huge point in the story was to show that even though someone holds pain from their past doesn't mean that they should shut everything out, your supposed embrace your pain, because despite the tribulations that life has in store for people theres still value to opening your heart to the other things it has. Freya and Kratos don't need to be super lovey dovey, I think it would be nice to see them lean on each other more, they don't need to occupy huge portions of eachother's hearts, after the lives they've lived I think having someone there should enough for both of them. It's possible for two people to care alot for eachother and not want to get their smooch on all the time. I will admit though, calling them "just friends" would be so boring.

[@acephantom903]

M:"... close to resembling the language of unrequited love..." K: "You know better." M:"I do. An impossible pairing, for any number of reasons..." I think that is pretty clear. Mimir was making an observation that he knew was wrong and Kratos confirmed it was wrong. Freya and Kratos have both gone through a lot and are able to support each other as close friends. At least for the foreseeable future, they don't need to end up with a relationship with anyone. I'm not saying it is impossible in the future but Kratos still needs time to heal as does Freya.

[@tonycordero6105]

Freya asked Kratos to be the god of war, something that he feels is too much for him given his past. You weirdos writing fanfiction gotta relax.

[@garrchair]

I dont think I'd call it fan service, I'm fairly positive the intent is that they're trying to forge a new relationship despite the traumatic events and that of course causes it to be a bumpy, odd road. They're both learning, growing, getting familiar with one another as people, not just allied gods.

[@blackholetl]

Hey, i don't know if anyone will see this but i was curious. Mimir's discomfort is an ability you can use in the dlc and we know it uses his bifrost eyes but what about helios? Are you just not able to use the ability? Does it look the same? Do they change it to fit what his head did in the old GOW games?

[@abstract5249]

Who knew gamer bros would be so invested in the potential romance between two middle aged persons?

[@davidludwig7501]

Kratos killed Baldur to save Freya. If that isn't love idk what is. Baldur was not a good person. He would have not changed. Freya clearly knows what Kratos did was out of caring as hard as it is to maybe accept. I think she forgave Kratos. Kratos didn't want to kill Baldur. He gave him a chance and Baldur blew it. "We must be better" snap.

[@waalex11]

2:12 Unrequited Love

[@alexabril4684]

I mean its something even the VA for Freya has pushed for herself while making the games so i wouldnt be surprised if it happens on its own later

[@gnrlyj]

I see only ⭕ buttons floating not hearts 😂

[@theknightofembers1267]

Freya in the norse myth after ragnarok has two daughters....perhaps Kratos will be a new father

[@advmx3]

The fact that someone is mean enough to say this version of KRatos is not the best version of his, older, wiser and not a pit of hatred is insane to me. The guy sure is wise now.

[@zanjaycuares7261]

Freya: you killed my son!!. Kratos: then lets make a new one.

[@KillerBeemode127]

They will be together 😊

[@EXT0RT98]

“OUR DOOR….” ;);)

[@eragonbromsson1122]

I mean, Hnoss and Gersemi have yet to be born...

[@ultrasparc302]

I SWEAR I SEE THE SIGNS............or I'm just bat shit insane

[@jamesroad316]

Both. I know i am

[@rodrickrogers3245]

I definitely missed the second piece of dialogue

[@charlesc4511]

Well, Loki does have two brothers.........................

[@joshuasalcedo7908]

You mean two half sisters

[@ashdalbey4700]

I’m split. On one hand, I think their bond as friends and parents that have lost those they love is beautiful on its own, and adding romance only muddies that. Though, they are each immortals, and she has already taken a somewhat maternal role in Atreus’ life. I think if Kratos were to love another woman, she would be the most fitting. Though I would prefer to see them as platonic life partners, having her act as a grandmother to Hel when she comes about.

[@elgordo2162]

My thought process is exactly that, these two broken gods, grieving parents in one regard or another, warriors, comrades... and in their travels they find a home in a each other. Someone who understands each other deeply to brave what comes next. Deeply platonic is definitely possible, but I can't pretend not to see how close to romance it can be

[@ltmatthewakj2466]

Red orbs jokes can become real 😂😂😂

[@willbrown6298]

Freya definately still needs some closure before anything can happen.

[@johniephillips9267]

Not the fan service type by any means, but it’s not entirely impossible for Kratos and Freya to end up together. After all, Baldur was kind of too far gone and I think Freya knows that.

[@lukelinton7104]

Agreed she knows that kratos was just defending her and his son Atreus someone who she also cares a lot about like her own son, and I think after the Norns she accepted that she was the one who killed him, she even hallucinates herself killing baldur, and also defended kratos against the norns by saying that what kratos did wasn’t out of hate.

[@trevordenver9877]

Freya: "Kratos have you ever been with a Goddess" Kratos: "let me tell you of Aphrodite."

[@Astartes-6969]

If they do go the rought of them falling in love, they'd need to develop it more. Also if they do end up together, and most likely have kids, maybe they will nane their son Baldur, to honor her son. Maybe they might have Twins, a Boy & Girl.

[@voinyhelvetti]

I do think Kratos thinks of the relationship between them as platonic, hence the "you know better." part. I would prefer Santa Monica go the more emotionally mature route of having them just be very good friends and avoid the trope of the end goal of a friendship between a man and a woman must be romantic love.

[@DiddleDallyBodanical]

Why

[@AllyBoyBishop]

Idk. They're gods, that have a lot of time to work out issues.

[@Souphover]

This better not be the case they should just be friends I ship it too but it feels like way too much after he killed her son

[@jpairs1012]

Kratos trying to have bed wars with her

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

It'll happen.