Kratos Confronts His Younger Self - God Of War Ragnarok Valhalla DLC 2023 PS5

Kratos Confronts His Younger Self - God Of War Ragnarok Valhalla DLC 2023 PS5

[@sweett3253]

I think the reason they didn't fight is because he's meant to accept his past, instead of fighting it like he has been

[@makii4772]

Exactly

[@mat7083]

Duh

[@sweett3253]

@@mat7083 yeah it seems obvious until you look at all if the other comments calling it a missed opportunity

[@AriTheAri]

a surprising amount of people fail to understand this they kind of missed the whole point of the dlc lol him fighting his past once again would contradict everything that just happened

[@mat7083]

@@sweett3253 There was no “missed opportunity” to begin with. I knew they wouldn’t fight the moment I read the title. It wouldn’t have made sense anyway. All the other commenters who expected a fight are fools

[@TheSlackerNamedJack]

"To chase a redemption I know I will never deserve." There is so much to unpack there both within game and within life.

[@MalosiVA]

facts, and that's why he's the god of hope. hope for a better tomorrow, both in this world & within himself.

[@stugglefuggle8673]

@@MalosiVA agreed. its not hope to have that redemption. It's to have faith that he one day will, despite everything. THATS hope.

[@asurasyn]

We who have done these things, terrible things, do not deserve forgiveness. If we are fortunate, it will be given to us.

[@jdt9177]

Was a heavy line. Iv been chasing redemption I don’t deserve. I used to shower my wife and kids with gifts and money because I was never home and out dealing drugs. Basically an absence father/husband . So I would try to buy their love because I wasn’t there to earn it. Then I went to prison for drug trafficking. So I abandoned them even more..& Visiting your wife and kids through a glass window once a month is enough to nearly break any man. So I changed my ways..I’m out now and trying to make up for lost time even tho I feel like I don’t deserve redemption I will continue to try!

[@jdt9177]

@@blankblankersonmy mother, wife and kids go to church regularly but I don’t. I just have a lot of questions people can’t or won’t answer.

[@goblinounours]

Christopher Judge delivers a stunning performance in this. I still think it would've been funny to hear Terrence Carson reprise his role as the voice of Young Kratos, saying even one or two lines. Then again, Young Kratos remaining silent is also a powerful and good choice.

[@Stykzman100]

That was the whole reason I opened this video, I thought they might have given TC a chance to reprise the role again. Especially after how disrespectful they were when they recasted, it would have been cool if they'd at least acknowledge his contributions to the character.

[@Sourceful101]

I feel the same, it would have been a nice surprise to see Terrence back, but leaving the young Kratos silent and stoic, letting old Kratos look at who he was and accept what he did and is powerful. The young Kratos does not interrupt or talk back, he silently accepts judgement.

[@TheShadowspear2]

@@Stykzman100 exactly, they should've brought back TC Carson back for that scene. I wanted to see an argument/fight with them.

[@Reaper1722]

⁠@@Stykzman100You and me. TC Carson is young Kratos the way Christopher Judge is old Kratos. Maybe they thought TC Carson would still be bitter about it and would be hard to work with? I dunno. Still a shame they passed on the opportunity.

[@thevirginmarty9738]

I'd be silent too if my future self showed up and started talking.

[@LordGotiko]

I was expecting a badass battle against young kratos but this... I can accept this.

[@DarlexGardenWarden]

same

[@jalalbk]

Impossible, they prolly needed the old voice actor

[@LordGotiko]

@@jalalbk I was hoping for that to happend but idk if they couln't reach him o something else got in the way, but it could have been confusing from having two different voices?

[@Stickweasel91]

The badass battle was just taking place inside of him, that's all.

[@f.e.areproduce5298]

I kinda hoped the young Kratos to respond and have a dialogue, maybe even respond like "You know well as to why we did this! Yet you blame only us! You think that it's so eazy to deal with it when your father is a lust obsessed tyrant who thought that stuffing a part of himself in a box alongside all the hope is a good idea! No it wasn't! Zeus only tore a part of himself out, he also tore his own hope out with this. That's the despot who ruled the realm! Yes what we did was disgusting! But guess as to why i became a monster! I hated myself so much that i didn't even care to look into my past actions and so did you! Keep hating yourself and you will do more things that will make you hate yourself even more! Vicious cycle is formed this way!" to old Kratos while making some points about how hating one's own self and seeing one's self as unworthy of forgiveness will lead person down the path of self hatred which lead young Kratos to a path of being a bloothirsty god and eventually coming down a vengeful path and having him kill all the gods. While young Kratos was a flawed and rage fueled man, he also was still inteligent despite it being clouded, it's same inteligence, while older Kratos had wisdom younger Kratos should at least give some arguments back, maybe sound a bit reasonable despite being angry having that inteligence, not supported by wisdom but not weighted down by centuries of regret.

[@leviwendt6461]

I like this development. He’s come to terms with his past, accepted the actions he made, and is ready to keep moving forward.

[@KyngD469]

Like he did in every game prior.

[@DropoutJerome]

They're beating a dead horse at this point. This was already all established and brought to a conclusion at the end of Ragnarok. I would have preferred a short story-driven DLC with Atreus and his journey beginning, kinda like an episode/challenge before actually starting his journey overseas to a new realm. Been hoping that Kratos's story is finally done, Atreus becoming the new main protagonist, and the gameplay returning to the more zoomed out and linear hack'n'slash the original trilogy was. Athena is still out there somewhere, don't know if she actually appeared in GoW2016 or just an illusion, probably just an illusion, but she could try to manipulate Atreus and gift/bound him his own chained blades.

[@wyslanniknewworldorder9525]

Kratos will *keep moving forward* until all his enemies will be destroyed.

[@eduardor-o4884]

​@@wyslanniknewworldorder9525I had a feeling someone would say that😂

[@peteybakedziti8908]

Coming to terms with his past, accepting his actions and moving on from them was literally the point of the "Fear" realm at the end of the Zeus fight.

[@bennycaustic5102]

It's so cool we got a fully rigged young Kratos model. Modders are definitely gonna use that, same with the Blade of Olympus model

[@DarkRei7]

I think these are the seeds for a God Of War 1 remake you can't let that model go to waste and Sony isn't interested in porting the PS2 games to PS5. There's a lot of interest in action games after the success of Hi-Fi Rush, Bayonetta 3, FF16... IMO they're cooking a remake. They could have remade Kratos' model from the start of 2 with the armour since he was the god of war then, or remade the more iconic model from 2 and 3 with the stomach scar and the more ragged clothes but they specifically chose the Kratos model from GOW 2005.

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

Can we use the blade outside of Valhalla?

[@goblinounours]

@@theanimeunderworld8338 Nope. The whole Valhalla thing is a DLC fully separated from the main game, available from the main menu. Everything that goes on in it does not interact with the main game ASIDE from the New Game+.

[@ryanferguson7779]

@@theanimeunderworld8338yes you can but only after beating Valhalla and starting new game plus

[@dominicsawicki6943]

@@DarkRei7 Tbf that's the pose Kratos assumed at the end of GoW1 when he finally took the throne of the God of War. So they were probably harkening back to that more than anything. But I would absolutely love to see a remake of the original trilogy with the visuals they have now

[@atlasprime6193]

“I believe I would like to sit here for a while.” You know, for a guy that’s always on the move, always fighting, always raging. The embodiment of energy and force. It’ll be so fitting if that would have been his final line as a way to end the series once and for all.

[@ahairyhooligan]

Is it confirmed that there will be no future god of war games?

[@atlasprime6193]

@@ahairyhooligan I think there will, I was just making a wishful comment that this could have been his final line in the series.

[@himynameiskobey.7994]

Legitimately thought that might be how it was gonna end. Although I'm thankful it wasn't since there's definitely still some stuff left for Kratos as a character.

[@vincentcampbell8314]

Well, not the whole series. Just Kratos' part, for now at least.

[@thenimanator437]

@@ahairyhooliganNo confirmation that I know of, but I think it’s very likely the next game could center squarely on Atreus and Angrboda (possibly Sigrun as well) venturing into a new pantheon

[@spectacularnub3468]

The younger kratos sitting there menacingly was honestly perfect. The whole scene it felt like he could lash out and attack his elder self at any second.

[@takeshii]

i think its more glaring defiantly then menacingly. as if the younger self hears the criticisms of his older self and doesn't care.

[@tasquato9633]

What's strange about this is that it feels like every conversation I've ever had with my younger self. And even if it's not a "fight," it is definitely a real and just as painful battle in every sense of the word. So I personally, can be happy with this ending. It reflects much more than anyone could've ever seen coming.

[@dddddd211]

It reflects life as lot of people see it. That's why these kind of games are so popular.

[@Jonddo1]

I love how the whole thing is basically as a monologue in a classic greek theatre composition: Playing between the first and third person, declaming in front of an significant objet, the body movements, the changes in tone and pace... sublime!

[@Saixjacket]

I swear they start slowly editing his beard to look more like a philosophers during the cutscene. It’s pretty astonishing

[@josiahclarke3535]

Pretty great soliloquy for sure

[@Kinobambino]

Great thinking!

[@kevinflynn4649]

That's definitely the vibe I got from the scene, felt like a classic soliloquy. Well stated

[@raservesthedinner7620]

I believe this must be the longest speech Kratos evet gave. Perhaps even the first time he did not talk in laconic way. They set this scene beautifully.

[@lumberluc]

Love how Tyr acts here. He's like the mentor who knows that he could of been better, and now he's getting that chance

[@Doodoohead123]

He’s like a therapist lol

[@lumberluc]

@@Doodoohead123 One with the power to hit you.

[@Kingdom850]

@@lumberluc tough love.

[@SWOutlanderJE]

Christopher Judge as Kratos will go down in history as one of the absolute greatest voice acting performances of our time, across any kind of medium. Every syllable, every word, every grunt or hesitation just pulls you in and doesn't let go.

[@monkekun3033]

Damn hop off that shmeat already 😂

[@ConnorMcCarty]

I like the Tin Tin pfp

[@SWOutlanderJE]

@@monkekun3033 Idk what that means, but nah.

[@josephbrewer3877]

AI will replace him in 3 seconds lol

[@SWOutlanderJE]

@@josephbrewer3877 I don't understand the point you're trying to make, if there even is one. Feel free to elaborate.

[@The_shinigami_2004_edits]

Before: God of war Now: God of Hope

[@seulbilee1025]

Yeah that's way better than calling him the God of Peace, since he gave hope to the world

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

​@@seulbilee1025god of peace sounds better and shows antagonism against war

[@seulbilee1025]

while Kratos murders his enemies ,yeah Peace isn't the right title for him

[@nickcozzie6614]

⁠but he’s not against war. Tyr is a god of war war is natural and will always be around and many times can be good especially for the right reasons. I really think that’s the angle they looked at. Kratos will Always be a god of war but his war is to keep hope alive to keep it burning in everyone’s hearts

[@rgbard3442]

This even further cements the “Kratos would befriend Jesus” thing lmao

[@richardshiflett5181]

Nah. He has to kill the false religions.

[@trillionwins2028]

​@@richardshiflett5181 Go outside

[@BlacklistedSoup]

@@richardshiflett5181he mainly kills Gods who are unjust

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

@@richardshiflett5181No. he kills those who would ravage the world - Gods who embody the worst aspects of Control and Authority. He would get along fine with a man who preaches kindness

[@jas6853]

@@richardshiflett5181nah, he didn’t kill Tyr because he is kind, he would be friends with Jesus for sure

[@kynesis47]

Damn. Krato's character arc....from blaming himself for everything he's ever done to finally letting all of it go and confront them head on and accepting it. Truly a masterpiece.

[@turbotrup96]

are you a teenager? Fiction writers have been doing this since forever..

[@kynesis47]

yeah ive also seen it way too many times too but its KRATOS man, have an emotional feel to it @@turbotrup96

[@blizz7x]

​@@turbotrup96it's a fuckin game have u seen the whole lore from gow1 to 5 , no game has been this consistent in their story or lore heck even characters

[@turbotrup96]

@@blizz7x Ironic, because recently the director of the og GoW said that he dislikes the approach they took with this soft version of Kratos.

[@Yurr24]

@@turbotrup96 Matured version of Kratos not soft. Also the original creator basically wanted Kratos to be an edgelord for all eternity should happy this was the vision and not his.

[@Heavenly-Drakian]

Honestly, one thing i thought would have been poetic was that accepting himself as a god of hope and sitting down on the throne again, the ashes of his wife and daughter would have slowly broken off his skin and like the ashes of his new wife, would have blow out away as the curse placed upon him would finally broken

[@Delfegor1]

I think not, because it’s more like a psychic scar to him, it’s not an Illness, that’s needed to be cured, his cure is acceptance of what he did, why, and where did that led him.

[@joshuamanlapaz9380]

Well the director did say that it was slowly coming off. Maybe its just the start of everything coming off

[@goblinounours]

I think it's worth keeping, less like a curse, and more like a scar, a reminder, so that he never forgets. He can accept the weight, but he can't stop carrying it.

[@Heavenly-Drakian]

@@Delfegor1 the makers of GOW have said that the ashes of his daughter and wife are actually fading from his body. it was a comment said when God of war 4 came out. its because of this that I thought since it seems him accepting who he was, moving on, learning about love again, learning to feel hope and interact, have friends, family and all that, has slowly released the ashes from his skin. That is why I thought it would be poetic that him accepting himself and his new role could have been acompanied by the ashes of his wife and daughter finally breaking the curse and falling from his skin as the Ghost of Sparta truly does vanish

[@COrraThereal0ne]

They are as apart of him as his decisions, they are apart of his history.

[@Cryingcloud1999]

“I am a god of fools. I am the god of…” Me: SAY IT SAY IT SAY IT H O P E SAY IT “…hope” Me: YESSSSSS

[@venicethehedgehog4122]

Im in class right and im screaming in mi head

[@frankwest5388]

I would love to see this Kratos become the patron saint of revolution. The one that gives the weak and suppressed the power to stand against tyranny. It would be poetic, he is still a wargod, but now he only fights to put those that misuse their power in place

[@willygates]

🤮🤮🤮🤮 kratos corny AF now

[@Cryingcloud1999]

@@willygates cope

[@AbigatorM]

you mean instead of edgy how he used ot be? :D @@willygates

[@Akira_Nishikiyama1]

I love this.. I EXACTLY love this scene... This was Really a Great development in Kratos personality and History, As Kratos looked at himself from the past and he was saying to himself that "Rage isnt everything, as there are more choices than the others give to you..." Hes basically looking at himself, and hes forgiving himself.. As His pale Ash skin is going away.. He letted the Bandages go to show that hes free to make his own choices to be a Kind God... To not let Anger once again turn him into a Monster.. Kratos has Truly became a Kind god that instead of Destorying.. He wants to Create, So that others Cannot make the same mistake he did...

[@lumberluc]

A God of Redemption. He knows that he doesn't deserve it, but that doesn't stop him

[@dazeyndrowsy]

getting that tan back

[@collisions4615]

Very true thank you Nishiki

[@sodasaintcommentaries4054]

I don't think the ashes will ever truly go away, but they will fade. They will be a reminder for him why he can't afford to be that man again, but their fading will show that he is no longer the selfish monster that gave up everyone and everything that matter.

[@DarkRei7]

could have been an opportunity to bring TC Carson back for a cameo

[@Brandon_Y.]

would kojima hire david hayter? so probably same reasoning.

[@DarkRei7]

​@@Brandon_Y. he was an idiot for doing that Kiefer Sutherland is a great actor and did as best as he could with what little he was given but Kojima's treatment of Hayter was dumb David Hayter is Snake, Sutherland worked in the context of Venom being a Big Boss impostor TC Carson is young Kratos, Judge is excellent but his voice fits an older wiser Kratos better. I don't think he would outdo TC Carson as the tortured soul that young Kratos was

[@remy5333]

Considering how he was laid off the role without warning, I'm not sure he would be have accepted According to an interview, he didn't mind not reprising Kratos, but he wished Sony had done it more graciously instead of just discovering last minute that he was replaced.

[@jin-hyepark4252]

He is always angry!!!😂❤

[@newhybrid101]

The devs were too weak for this. They even destroyed young Kratos design completely

[@futuredc1640]

I thought we was gonna have a boss battle between young kratos and old kratos

[@beckhornig7910]

The greatest fight one can have is not with fists or blades, but within.

[@miagomez5226]

​@beckhornig7910 Well said my friend well said

[@DarkRei7]

fear kratos from gow 3 was one of the best bosses in the game what a shame it didn't happen

[@emperordalek102]

Words are greatest weapon of war.

[@yasergooyandeh9991]

Yeah that would have become so epic

[@bahesb2419]

There's nothing more interesting in a story then having the Hero or Major character confront their past self, to show just how much they have grown.

[@DeafOnAllFronts]

"Grown" but yes it's is always a welcoming sight seeing a character you know grow and confront their past self.

[@tonysengchanthong2118]

I didnt know a therapy session could get so badass

[@SolinOutlander]

Would have been interesting/cool if the past Kratos had had a line or two, and used the original VO for continuity. I'm not even saying full conversations, but just a probing question that helps to push current Kratos further along his thoughts. Something like a pointed 'So what am I to you?' little probing questions.

[@SderE916]

I’m pretty sure there was some bad blood between the original VO and Santa Monica for how things ended between them. Could be wrong but that’s what I recall from watching an interview with him a while back.

[@David-qm1em]

This is hands down the best character development for any video game character

[@suffering9668]

You didn't play many games if you actually believe that lmao that's the most generic and cookie cutter basic type of development of any media

[@reign1594]

​@@suffering9668w pfp

[@Death-ds4xo]

@@suffering9668 Okay you didn't have to shit on it like that, I personally think GOW is a little overrated but it still has a great story and characters.

[@freak9190]

rdr 2

[@garysanders7935]

Lmaoooo. What development ?? He just completely changed between games. There is no development.

[@sofyan_elrs625]

I think it would have been great ( despite everything related to fanservice ) a fight between past and current Kratos so he could have defeat once and for all, all the regrets he had. But this is a great ending aswell, from god of war to god of hope, what an evolution

[@vguyver2]

I actually prefer this. I mean he could have just had him defend himself from the younger one, but him just talking, confronting himself and his inner demons to find peace is better imo. This is mostly because it's something Kratos was always avoiding. An Inner reflection is something he never did and it shows character growth since he's actually talking through his own pain. It's therapeutic for a character who never got a guiding hand nor was taught how to resolve things with language and retrospective thinking.

[@themadtitan8408]

if this is the kratos at the beginning of gow 2 he wins, cause he's a full powered god.

[@renmcmanus]

Well. At the time he is sitting on that throne he is a full fledged god. And a more ruthless fighter. The only way older Kratos wins such a fight is for everyone to just pretend he is somehow a better fighter or physically superior. Which he is not. Both in gameplay and in cutscenes young Kratos is significantly stronger. About the only way older Kratos is "stronger" is emotionally. And that is the angle the scene takes.

[@SuperShaggy]

@@renmcmanus But don't gods get stronger with age?

[@renmcmanus]

@@SuperShaggy Then all the gods that Kratos himself killed would have been inherently stronger then him (Hades, Poseidon and Zeus). Meaning older Kratos's theoretical increased strength would make little difference to the god killer that was young Kratos.

[@2geekygamers]

Strip away all of his power and all of his rage, and we have a man, a soldier, who wants to be able to forgive himself for his past failures and let them go. A man who just wants to do better, to be better. For his family, his friends and above all, himself. That is why Kratos is so relatable. Because the hardest thing about the past, is learning to accept it.

[@ysteinschiefloekanestrm7652]

Mimir's smile at the end. He is so happy for his friend T_T

[@3ch056]

Kratos' personal growth, woof, shows how he's changed over the years and is at peace after what happened throughout the series.

[@ayushwardhan7663]

woof?

[@KishinamiNoMae]

Woof Woof.@@ayushwardhan7663

[@KishinamiNoMae]

Woof.

[@reflection7382]

Woof? You’re a furry?

[@xelliepurr]

mrrrp mrow meow

[@da_unknowmusic2374]

imagine the old kratos voice actor and the current kratos voice actor has an argument...

[@henrykberonio9008]

That will be epic and young kratos provoke the older kratos my god that is not gonna be nice

[@OXY187]

"What kind of treachery is this? You dare stand against me, the God of War?!"

[@IPostMeAndMyFriendsRecordings]

​@@OXY187 "That title will bring you nothing but pain, and suffering. A destruction no one deserves. Leave that throne behind you, it is not too late."

[@ShamanZ-ji9qu]

Young Kratos: Your Words means nothing to me. Begone! So I will let you live Old Man. Old Kratos: You do not want this fight. Young Kratos: Thats is where you are wrong.

[@OXY187]

@@IPostMeAndMyFriendsRecordings “I care for nothing. The gods will pay for this.”

[@LucarioNN]

From rage and vengeace incarnate to the benevolent and humbled allfather... Kratos truly had an arc

[@anetery1226]

I find Tyr so underrated here He is helping because he can and so he does, he doesn't judge kratos because he has an open mind and he fights kratos not to test himself but to help him focus because he knows thats what helps him focus. Tyr is a role model, a teacher and someone to be like and to admire everything Kratos belives that he can't be but he can and now that he has excepted that he cann be a god like Tyr. A realm with both of them leading would doubtless be a great one.

[@saradavis407]

So when he Destroyed Greece And No Longe became the war god,He became The God Of Hope when he sacrifices himself To give Hope To the remaining Realms With Other Beings Not just Gods

[@nickcozzie6614]

More than that he also released hope into the world with Pandora’s box

[@thegemguy1334]

He never forgets Pandora words. I would like to believe that the hope he released to mend the world was from the box, but the hope that remains within him is the hope Pandora gave him.

[@JuanGarcia-ep7kc]

Fuck that's beautiful

[@moka8601]

Yknow, seeing kratos finally and Completely accept himself for all of his traumas that he had during this 10 year+ journey, it is great (Also god damn that final tyr boss fight goes nuts)

[@StarForce99]

Kratos is one of the hardest video game characters ever made. This dude is just a straight up legend for all the generations.

[@XenoRaptor-98765]

Kratos is confuse and at the same time answering his own questions.

[@Saixjacket]

He becomes a philosopher in that moment, still a compromised man, but one who has come to a true understanding. His face and beard profile is presented very much in that way during the second half of the scene.

[@DUBMANS]

Young kratos: you dare challenge me, a God of War. "Rage of sparta slowly fades in"

[@drifterxexe]

so kratos is now the god of hope now?! thats really freaking cool!

[@Nfficially.]

I was shitting myself until young Kratos disappeared LMAO.

[@thegamingsaint8668]

I’m kind of glad they chose this route, if kratos had fought his younger self if would just prove he still lets it control him, this shows he accepts his past actions and he’s ready to move on and be better for the people he cares for

[@ericharris3414]

I like that they didnt do a final boss against young kratos. He has raged against his past his whole life, fighting and hiding, now he embraces and finally accepts who he was and the mistakes he made. It is time to make peace and move forward unto a brighter future.

[@hyper-lethal-sigma3]

I lived as a alcoholic for a long time and ruined my marriage and family through my pride my ego and ignorance of admitting I had lost control of my life and I hurt my wife who loved me deeply and I drove her away because to stay with me would have ended her....I feel this scene of him speaking to his younger self and I if I could speak to myself would have harsher words..there is no forgiving you you chose I chose really hit me hearing it along with his other remarks..and now I'm left to ride out my days liveing everyday with the mind numbing regret and knowledge that I ruined so much good and the person I loved most and I can't change it

[@applesandgrapesfordinner4626]

"You have always been more than what others saw. You are more than that"

[@evanrutledge-sz4yo]

I know it’s been a while since you commented this but, and I know it’s not my place to suggest this, but if you can, maybe try and reach out to your wife, tell her that you’re sorry (and mean it), tell her you love her, and that you regret what you did to her. Don’t expect her to forgive you, and I can’t promise you will ever get back what you once had, but if you have a heart and mind willing to change, I believe anything is possible. But before that can happen, before anyone can forgive you, you have to forgive yourself. I’m eighteen years old, and already have a lot of regrets, mainly due to my political beliefs, I’m afraid that I’ll become someone I’m destined to become, a hateful religious zealot of my own ego, who oppresses those different than myself, people who never choose to be the way that they are, like I never choose to be the way that I am. I could sit here, and allow myself to be overcome by this worthless guilt that only chains me to the past I no longer have control over. But no, i refuse, instead I choose regret, because regret is what paves the way for redemption, for reconciliation, for forgiveness, and for growth. The only promise in life is death, the rest is up to you. Take care mysterious internet person.

[@josephtrevizo9082]

I know some people wanted a big fight, but I think this is perfect. That's not who he is anymore, and this shows the beginning of his journey and the end of his journey.

[@chronic_hatred2k22]

I wish they got Kratos' previous VA to cameo as young Kratos, but this is awesome. Also, I'm pretty sure this is the most we've heard him talk and express outside of game play.

[@NeighbourhoodVandal]

Because he's speaking Greek, his native language. That's why Mimir says that he missed everything.

[@jordansanchez131]

Respectfully, I believe Mimir went back to the forest or somewhere else. If you look at Kratos when he is walking up to the thrown you don't even see Mimir. I think this was just meant for Kratos to work through with no other influence. @@NeighbourhoodVandal

[@jakomioftherose2434]

The teo having a conversation would've made for a better scene than just Hudge having a monologue.

[@official_knack]

it is unbelievable how Santa Monica Studios has managed to make what could be argued to be a perfect game, a real masterpiece

[@SnarkyMole]

kratos fighting his older self is basically taking away all of his development from the nordic saga. remember that kratos spent all of gow 2018 being ashamed of his past and is constantly trying to fight it as a way to sow the wounds he left. But by the end of gow 2018 and throughout the entire ragnarok game…we see Kratos finally accept that his greek era will forever be apart of him despite how hard he tried to fight/hide it in the 2018. Kratos sitting on the throne only proves his strength emotionally and how his connections with tyr, faye, atreus, etc…have only strengthened him and allowed him to accept the worst of his past.

[@noikfkzn5305]

Yesss most of the comment in here dont understand this. Its called move on

[@evanrutledge-sz4yo]

@@noikfkzn5305Apart of me is a little bummed that we didn’t get a fight, but there’s no doubt that this is better in all accounts and fits the story far better. Would’ve a fight between new and old kratos be cool? Absolutely! But I think this is just more fitting for the character.

[@haydennoble9253]

This hits hard. Remember folks, you are not your mistakes. It is the nature of a person that matters, not the form you think you are. You will be better.

[@twinzzlers]

This helps me

[@HokushoSociety]

I like the meta commentary here with Kratos saying “you are more than what people think of you”

[@Saixjacket]

You are more than just a single player experience!! You are the shared developmental male consciousness coming into its own!!

[@kianrodriguez4455]

It is kinda sad to think that some people want Kratos to just be a ruthless killing machine when the whole point is that he has learned that that path brings nothing but pain and destruction, hence him always wanting to "be better". And him finally accepting his past is the cherry on top to conclude his arc so far

[@lowkey_gamer4298]

This scene alone can make relive Kratos' life from his beginning... Just powerful and very meaningful imagery of man's development 😢❤

[@blastergun4206]

1:21 goosebumps overloaded The old soundtrack and that pose 😍

[@notserpts]

what’s the score called?

[@blastergun4206]

@@notserpts or Overture it's been a while since I heard those 😅

[@BeingTheBear]

With all the monster models from the old games, to a young Kratos model. They have to remaster the Greece games now that they have the assets made.

[@joehanz9217]

(O)

[@NotRJ001]

I was hoping OG Kratos voice actor to come back to say something.

[@DomitriCervantes]

Me too, such a missed opportunity :(

[@Pauli-dg2yv]

Kratos back then: Hope is for the weak, Pandora Kratos now: but I have hope

[@yer_pall_memes5261]

i feel that they didn't make young kratos speak because they couldn't get TC Carson to voice him

[@darkseidofapokolips9796]

The fact that we got his redemption where he actually talked out his own forgiveness instead of a fight is equally as good to me. Who doesn’t have regrets in life and needs to forgiven themselves?

[@orionrazilov5994]

Kratos means strength in Greek, fitting that a man called Kratos is a God of War but also a god of hope. To stare at your mistakes right in the eyes takes a lot of strength

[@TheRealSheoth]

This is 200% exactly what I was hoping to see in the new series! What an amazing development of character and understanding. Seeing his past for more than the blood, anger, and unforgivable acts he committed and the recognition of his true character unburdened by the rage from his past or the isolation of his present.

[@blackday1013]

I just adore him looking at Pandora's statue and remembering her final words. A perfect way to wrap up this whole story

[@ashtonperez4614]

I've watched this about 10 times already. The voice acting might be the best in video game history there's so much pain, sorrow, grief, and anger in the delivery. I don't know how this ever gets topped.

[@jabbadabobby]

Finally got to this scene last night. One of the few times a game has given me chills, couldn't take my eyes off the screen

[@alpha5664]

All hail the God of Hope.

[@Phiixiity]

You can see that kratos is trying so hard not to cry but i for some reason kept saying to him that it was ok to cry like he could hear me😂

[@picassojulien899]

I rewatch this from time to time because it reminds us in our own lives that we can’t erase our sins. We can’t escape what we were. But we must accept what happened and be better. I love how kratos reminds himself “you chose” and then reminds himself that HE MADE THOSE CHOICES. And that he no longer holds the bonds on himself. Kratos knows that he believes that he should not be forgiven. But he has hope.

[@christiancabral1037]

From what I’ve seen from the DLC it really ask us the same questions that Kratos wondered. Was what he did throughout the original God of War just or not, as we can see his legacy was complicated filled with him doing horrible things, realizing the monster he was, and seeking the only thing he had left which was hate and vengeance, and his own death. We wonder, and contemplate a series we once thought of as mindless fun in a serious and nuanced way, showing us how much we grew in our ideals, morals, and ethics from when we were young. In the end Kratos is reminded of what Pandora said about hope and how it was what we fought for when we had nothing else. That was when Kratos began to regain his humanity and what by the end of Valhalla he concluded too, that he made terrible mistakes in his blind pursuit of revenge and destruction but was given a chance through his wife and son to be better and now sits on his throne not as a god of war, but one of hope, as we as the ones who have traveled on this journey with him must keep alive for those we love and care for.

[@whiteeye9584]

god of war was never meant to be about goddy to shoes bs and this dlc was waste of time

[@augustusalexander5774]

@@whiteeye9584KZbin kids has its own app you know?

[@rogaldorn2312]

@whiteeye9584 please leave, you are no better than how the gods of Olympus were. Kratos has changed as a person, and became better. While you refuse to acknowledge and accept it because he isn't a mindless monster. Be better for yourself, instead of simply replying without thinking.

[@whiteeye9584]

@@rogaldorn2312 oh no you missinderstand me i don't mind kratos having peace what am mad about is this stupid dlc who shits on older games not to mention making ragnarock development waste of time

[@rogaldorn2312]

How is it shitting on the older games? it is adding, or rather showcasing, the nuance that was in the old games since the beginning. And as for a waste of time i must say, why is it a waste? @@whiteeye9584

[@conniemeerman2156]

The choice of acceptance instead of a battle makes alot of sense tbh Killing young kratos Or the illusion of him would only confirm anyones suspicion that he hasnt changed one bit in the sense that he And i quote "Is a monster who kills without cause" The point of the last encounter is to confirm kratos is indeed a better man and wishes to continue on this path (I tried to explain the best i can english is not my first language)

[@gavinlamp5426]

Young Kratos looks so menacing

[@edv5918]

Kratos having himself a Zuko arc.

[@MrJomalley123]

the acting is so incredible with Christopher judge here giving it his all you can feel the emotions Kratos is going through when he's just talking to himself basically

[@unknownanimation6356]

2:43 "let the rage of sparta fuel your blades kratos"

[@caliside7449]

Would have loved if they had T.C Carson come back to voice young Kratos again

[@poetik444]

I feel as if Kratos, was speaking for me about how I view my own self as a man. As men we learn to stop loving ourselves, we reject ourselves and the idea of love and being loved. And yet Santa Monica studios captures the beautiful, interpersonal journey about a man learning to accept himself (reminding all of us to do the same) to me will be one of the greatest works of art in terms of video gaming ever so far. 1000 out of 10 game. Made me look at myself and how to handle my own situations in life differently. Motivates me to become a better man. Made me tear up in appreciation because of the fact that we’re even alive to get to experience something like this in this lifetime. Still don’t know if Spiderman 2 or God of War Ragnarok greatest of all time tho 😭 tuff

[@alphaant362]

The one thing i've wanted to see since God of War 4 was released. It really hits you hard seeing Kratos confront his past self

[@deathtwinky7161]

This ending shake my core deep down my spirit. And i understand why they litterally gave it to us. I am not only a fan of God of War, when I was young, and all my family left me, i was wounderimg from friend house to foster house when I leave hell. I lived with crazy people that dont let me quit my home, always making me work, couldnt even do school homework, i found myself in kratos who lost everything but still charge at what he believe. He gave me so much strenght to keep going forward. I was getting beat sometimes just because i had nothing to defend myself than myself. I was enrage for so many years because of that. I had 3 kids now, and i am a good father who always tried to be better ... this hit me with such force when i saw it yesterday... i finally felt like ... i was finally enough, just like him. Thanks for this game to have been at my sides. And for the dedication of the developpers to give this opportunity to myself to face any evil that i had to face in life.

[@sadlife7710]

Faye really helped this man.

[@woobywoofers9854]

"you have always been more than what others saw" kratos talking to like half of god of war players saying he wasn't a deep character until gow2018

[@therevanchist2888]

It would have been crazy if they brought back the old Kratos Voice actor to have a dialogue with himself lol

[@hollismarshall]

Before there was John Wick, there was Kratos.

[@crab-manSorghame]

Just a note, I may miss other quotes, but he clearly quotes Pandora.... the same quote he came to terms with before he killed his father. "Hope is what makes us strong. It is why we are here. It's what we fight with when all else is lost." That's the funny thing, if you look at the big actions, ignore his history as a soldier; then that's exactly what Kratos was, a monster.

[@newhybrid101]

I actually got scared when Young Kratos started to move,we have never been on the opposite side of this menace. We only played as him The fact that we are not fighting him,a giant health bar saying Kratos with red blood letters is a crime. We need to keep asking the devs for an update that lets us fight him,and it should be as epic as the fights with Baldur and Thor(first fight)

[@Do0mSl4yer95]

Nah. I prefer this. Now none of you can try saying he's stronger than before

[@devinmes1868]

@@Do0mSl4yer95 Don't greek gods get stronger as they get older?

[@Do0mSl4yer95]

@@devinmes1868 There hasn't been a feat to suggest he actually is

[@thabsoffical.-8742]

@@Do0mSl4yer95confirmation from the creators, Kratos is stronger than his younger self

[@DeltaRaven97]

@@thabsoffical.-8742 Physically stronger, yes. But I have to say I'm curious how they stack up weaponry and magic-wise. Norse magic vs Greek Magic, the Blade of Olympus, Artemis, gauntlets vs the Leviathan Axe, Draupnir Spear and everything he has now. Maybe it's not super clear cut as we think, since Strength isn't everything.

[@samweirich5973]

WAs really hoping to see a debate between Terrence C Carson's Kratos vs Christopher Judge's Kratos. How awesome would that have been?

[@kwarrior7948]

I just wish the original voice actor for Kratos had a cameo here and that Kratos has a convo with him. It would’ve been cool to see old and new meet

[@kalimaude3532]

Young Kratos never says a word, and disappears without a moment of fanfare. Because, as much as Kratos would like, he's NOT a different person. There is no evil form of his past to confront, and shout down, and destroy. It's all, always, been him. He says, "you are more than that." And he realizes; "I am more than that." And that means there's no enemy left in himself to vanquish. Just a hope that he, that everyone, can become better.

[@Aint-Saint]

"You are more than that." Gives me chills

[@preioh]

This is insanely good

[@RagPen01]

Finally, Kratos gets to just chill

[@KerMaWaffLe]

I love that Kratos projects his pain, his wrong doings, and the worst of himself as Young Kratos, his words directing at “You Chose!” But when he finally realizes what he’s been doing possibly for all of his time in the Norse Lands. He switches to “I Chose” and chose he did, he accepted that he did those things. The first step to moving forward from mistakes and wrong doings, is admitting that you yourself were that person.

[@machomanrandysandwich7625]

Kratos deserves to rest. I hope at the end of the God Of War series, the final scene is like Jesus taking him into a hug and forgiving him, releasing the pain and torment hes felt over the years. The ash of his wife and daughter fading and him finally feeling peace😭

[@GeorgeTooCur1ous]

i was hoping he and young kratos would talk to eachother, so we could have both his iconic voice actors

[@Darkseid.01]

The most dramatic moment in whole gow

[@no_one01-5]

Kratos' soliloquy here is just breathtaking. I literally was just holding my breath at the edge of my seat. Christopher Judge is an amazing VA. 👏 ..on par with Roger Clark as Arthur Morgan.

[@stickylala7792]

Was powerful to see Kratos come to his senses and confront and accept himself for who he is and not was, to finally not see himself as only a monster and destroyer, could go on for ages, but long story short, got me right in my❤

[@ghostlygaming2486]

3 missed opportunities: 1. We don't get to hear young Kratos speak, perfect chance to have T.C. Carson reprise his role and have both actors speak to each other 2. No boss battle, it would have been FIRE to have Old Kratos tango with his younger self 3. No young Kratos skin for us to use, the model is in the game and everything but we don't get to just have goatee Kratos Benefit of the doubt tho, this scene was badass to see come to life, also kinda references Ascension when Kratos saw one of the fates turn into his shadow self

[@sliferskydragon9798]

i remember u that this is a free DLC

[@DEADtoRISE08]

Bro be grateful we gotta so much lore even in free DLC that too in 2023

[@ghostlygaming2486]

@@sliferskydragon9798 I think you mean "remind" and I'm not discrediting this at all. Just saying it would have been cool and made this DLC even more fire

[@ghostlygaming2486]

@@DEADtoRISE08 I'm not discrediting this DLC, just pointing out what could have made it even better than it is

[@jaxsonevans7796]

​@@DEADtoRISE08Not gonna lie though I expected more than just lore like remember Ghost Of Sparta when Kratos had to fight Kid Kratos who came out of some mirror? I expected something like that.

[@wolfgod6443]

So glad Kratos could face his greatest obstacle, and overcome it, himself. I'm sure with time, that guy whose face became the ink of the book Kratos forced him to read will find it in his no longer beating heart to move forward as well.

[@themilkman9261]

Young kratos being silent makes me think that even in his youth he knew he was wrong and that probably added to his rage

[@perry-1572]

The music in this scene is exceptional. The way the classic and present themes of Kratos switch back and forth to match Kratos’ thoughts on his past and present selves slowly aligning, and the way the classic theme starts to sound more passionate as Kratos acknowledges himself Leading up to not just the current theme of Kratos, but a final, new addition to the song that signifies a triumphant beginning by way of confronting the past and returning to the throne All of that from a free expansion. I will never get over how amazing Valhalla is

[@hiarus8850]

Kinda wish young Kratos could talk back, it would've been interesting to see a discussion no matter how heated it might get I do like this though, the monologue was ridiculously good Also anyone else notice that while Current Kratos is on the throne the lighting kinda makes his skin look less ash-y? I don't know if that was intentional but it's a nice detail given the meaning of the scene

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

Young kratos is so scary and badass.

[@OzelBlox]

It was way too kind for kratos to feel hope

[@undeadgamer7949]

The face of the models is so well made it actually looks and expresses like an actual human

[@bodnachuk877]

The God of Hope