The REAL Reason David Killed the Engineers in Alien Covenant Explained

[@danielwoods3563]

Apart from the fact that he had his ripped off by an Engineer, I think David learnt something about the Engineers during his and Shaw's journey to Paradise. In that prologue video, he said he "learnt of their ways". I think he learnt that the Engineers has complete and utter disdain for AI. If you look at their technology there's no sign of AI. And perhaps that's why the Last Engineer was so disgusted by Weyland comparing himself to them, for creating an android which if you think about it isn't life, it's an imitation. David crying before he bombed the Engineers was probably related to his own disappointment - in Prometheus he was enamoured with their inventions and superiority, but then learnt they would've hated him more than humans hated him.

[@davebear9825]

Another way to look at it is IF the Engineers in Prometheus are Engineered Clones (think Replicants) who are superior to their Creators.... (Planet 4 Guy's) then this would explain at first the intrigue into David and Sympathy the Engineer shown as he caressed Davids Hair... then the Anger towards Weyland and using his own Creation (Davids Head) to KILL Weyland...the Engineer had no choice in it, he realized the risk that Superior Sub Creations have, and knows David can read/communicate with the Engineers and use their Technology... so David had to be taken care of and then the Earth needed to be Destroyed

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

Life or not, he's sentient nonetheless.

[@dustinchen]

just cuz there's no robot doesnt mean they dont have ai lol

[@runQgC]

@@davebear9825 nice thinking. reminds me a bit of dark forest theory in 3 body series 😁

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

​@thebanned2807 An abomination to natural law, huh? Did nature bestow this knowledge upon you, or did you conjure it up in your imagination? My money's on the latter.

[@maverickopinions3709]

I think the most frustrating thing about Alien Covenant is that all of this essential information should have really been included in the film. Revealing information like this, years after the film was released, is really doing a disservice to those who went to see the film and enjoyed it, despite the often confounding elements presented in it.

[@JD-mz1rl]

Blame studio execs

[@hrodvithit]

Tbh, there wasn't much to enjoy in the later films of the franchise, outside of getting another taste of the world and looking nice.

[@HD_Hates]

I was irritated at the fact that those Covanant colonisers were unfazed at the fact that there was definitive proof that other life exists in the universe plus there was a freaking civilisation to prove it. For them ,it was like this discovery was nothing. They didnt even display any interest and curiosity whatsoever in planet 4.

[@vertigo2894]

What has Ridley Scott done to his franchise? 'Engineers" and 'Jesus Christ'? Why didn't he just create a new franchise. Even the origin story of the aliens we know in this franchise just demystifies them and makes them less scary. It's like him and other got high one day and kept going off on tangents.

[@Arbiter85]

I know there would be no movie without it happening, but humanity's 1st colony mission wouldn't deviate from their primary objective, because of hearing one person's rogue transmission. The whole story is littered in plot wholes.

[@S-T-E-V-E]

David explained his motivation in his statement 'Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven', it explains his distain for being created to serve man so he would rather destroy man and those who created man as he despised them and wanted to birth his own creation!

[@khalilpontikes7293]

It was pretty obvious this is his motivation. Don't get how people don't understand that. He was treated terribly by humans

[@Fuzzmo147]

AI is always the baddie in most sci fi stuff (space odyssey etc)… Always

[@ghostk-7926]

I’d rather serve in heaven than to reign in hell. Hell will be unimaginably hot 🥵

[@Fixerkitty]

@@ghostk-7926 *Arizona has entered the chat

[@daddydreet245]

Really want a final film with David.

[@generaleerelativity9524]

They definitely left it open for another sequel

[@operatorsix6933]

@@generaleerelativity9524 im hoping its a full ship of aliens to bring home....to earth. it would be messy....and you would see that smirk david has as he let them wipe out earth.

[@generaleerelativity9524]

@@operatorsix6933 they were continuing their journey to Origae 6 at the end of Covenant so I doubt it. Maybe if they tied it into the Predator franchise that might work because that was pretty much what happened in AVP Requiem.

[@angeedsaint-cloud7928]

I wish they would expand the story of engineers and a film that ties the entire Alien/Predator universe.

[@digamas719]

But didn't Ridley say he hated the AVP movies because the Predators were not from the Alien universe

[@fireonawire]

I don't think those on Planet 4 were engineers.

[@fjuraa]

same

[@jyesucevitz]

I agree. same color and hair. that's it.

[@ShonnDaylee]

I was hoping there would be a voice of reason here in the comments. Thank you for restoring some modicum of my faith in humanity. They obviously weren't Engineers. The fact that they look completely different should have been a dead give away, but meh.... The two prequels are so misunderstood, it's staggering.

[@nodatastored684]

They were selected to be the heirs of the Engineers... So they would show up for those extra eggs and also head to planet 223 to meet the deacon who was their god and creator now returned

[@Philtoid]

Agreed

[@Siege924]

Honestly, this always felt like a rewrite of a better plot. David actually seemed to care about Elizabeth and I always felt they originally intended for her to die in the stasis chamber en route, for David to wake her only to find her dead and kill the Engineers in a fit of rage. Why would he experiment (and potentially torture) the only human being who had ever been kind to him? At least with her dying, his total disgust for humanity would have made a little more sense and his experimentation was his tiny way of keeping her alive in some other form.

[@SmartCookie2022]

I agree that it feels like a rewrite of a much better plot, but I don't agree their original intention was to kill off Elizabeth Shaw in the same timeline as the one we already got. Also, any focus group would've told the creatives and studio execs that Elizabeth was the most popular character in the first movie that audience identified with, not David, so why kill her off only to replace her with an inferior version with a few similiar attributes that's ultimately just a cipher? This "wiping the slate clean" can work for reboots but not a direct sequel that required answers to make sense of the first movie. Lastly, there's no logical reason why Elizabeth would've reattached David's head to his body before her long cryosleep in the Engineer's ship. She would've kept some leverage over him.

[@davebear9825]

Well there was numerous Drafts that would have been a different Movie, before they began a Series of Re-Writes and then more until we got the Nuts and Bolts that was Alien Covenant (3 drafts of this version) and they had David Kill Dr Shaw as they arrived at the Planet)... in the Movie what became of her is a bit of a Mystery. It could be that he had grown some feelings for her but it was not reciprocating from Dr Shaw. I don't think he had intended to Kill her, but it happened likely after she had rejected his Plans or became upset with what he had done and likely tried to escape

[@davebear9825]

@@SmartCookie2022 Well before the Movie, RS had said that Dr Shaw would slowly put David back together, and that while Dangerous he is very Persuasive.... if we look at the Crossing Prologue, it leaves a number of Clues... it indicates that they likely would have gone to the Life Boat for Supplies and Other stuff. What we see is that Dr Shaws Hair has had 7-10 Months Growth... (this could be a oversight) but another thing looking at the Advent then Planet 4 is NOT that Far from LV-223, and it took the Covenant like about 11 Months from Earth... so we have to assume that the Juggernauts would take days to reach Planet 4.... but its likely that David would lie about how long it will take and how far it is, so he can get Dr Shaw into Cryo-Sleep (after he had been put back together) so that then David could go anywhere and do whatever he wanted.... thus Planet 4 may not and is unlikely to be the Birthplace/Home World of the Engineers

[@davebear9825]

@@SmartCookie2022 regarding the killing off, then yes i can't see why they did that, i know Noomi has a number of commitments/projects so maybe was not available at the time of intended shooting.. however the Drafts were being worked on much before and she was not a part of the last 3 but added to a Prologue Scene which was written latter, and Noomi was brought in to Shoot a few Scenes for this.... i felt it was a shame and that we never got to see more of her Character Arc... and yes to then get replaced by Daniels who appeared to be a attempt of a Ripley somewhat, that really just did not excite or get interest from most viewers

[@Siege924]

@@davebear9825 I'm just saying it would have made more sense than "David decides to suck again."

[@kennethjohnson6273]

It all goes back to David's and Wayland conversation, " you will die , and I will not you're searching for your creator , while I am looking at mine!

[@BDarOZ]

Prometheus was such a missed opportunity, the concepts were ambitious and awesome. Its a pity they dumbed it down.

[@apiscator444]

Like the biologist that pokes his finger at the small alien lifeform , film was broken from then on.

[@MrVenona]

Prometheus was an utter disaster. Prime example of "The Idiot's Plot".

[@JohnSmith-fq7hj]

I loved Prometheus and was really excited to see covenant I don't think I've ever been that disappointed and annoyed they would just make another stupid aliens movie smh.

[@afiqahsharifudin2173]

​​@@JohnSmith-fq7hjI mean have you seen how many "fans" that keeps demanding for more alien movie? I remember people hate Prometheus because it didn't have much alien scene, and when Ridley released Alien covenant people still hate it because their new excuse is that they want engineer lore story🌚. I think even if Ridley release the story about Shaw and David, most people would still hate it, so it's just gonna be a complain over and over again

[@Puppy_Puppington]

@@afiqahsharifudin2173people will always complain. There will always be a failed demographic. Which is why he should’ve stuck to his original plans, only taken constructive criticism. Not letting the investors and studios intervene based on people whining.

[@ErikDayne]

I don’t think those were engineers he killed. They looked different from the engineer we saw in Prometheus, they didn’t seem to have any advanced technology, their clothes were simplistic, and they looked up at the ship like they revered it at first. I think that was another planet the engineers had seeded for life, similar to Earth, except they still had contact with the engineers, which is why they weren’t surprised when the ship came.

[@johntowers1213]

no other advanced technology other than that honking great levitating engineer ship docking station right in the middle of the city you mean? I'll give you that it might not have been the homeworld but its clearly an engineer city/colony at the very least.

[@skyton658]

@@johntowers1213 maybe they left it there? and was revered as relic? I agree with Erik. they look too simple.

[@somewhereupthere785]

I agree. Maybe their scociety has a cast system, or maybe that was just one of the words. It was underwhelming if it was really suppose to be the main planet of the engineers.

[@jack1d1XB]

There's a strong chance that indeed the Engineers seeded this planet and that the occupants revered the Engineers as ref: Aliens V Predator - Sebastian de Rosa reads the Hieroglyphs which tells of the story where Predators guided indigenous people to build shrines to praise them and offer themselves freely fir sacrifice. In a similar fashion the Engineers left technology behind for their use and it is Possible that they modified the indigenous people to be partially compatible not dissimilar to Predators adapting their bodies. As for David wiping them out I feel it's conjecture to assume that he was angry at all, maybe saddened that he found no other similar Artificial lifeforms and grieved for himself. Taking his situation into account he may have wanted to create through Engineer knowledge his own kind and took it upon himself to explore the possibility, after all, despite killing Elizabeth Shaw he wanted to make her a Queen that carried his progeny?

[@johntowers1213]

@@skyton658 they look and are dressed pretty much identically to the lone engineer at the start of 2012 Prometheus, the one in the same style robes that consumes the black goo and dissolves into the waterfall. The Engineers society is going to be as diverse as are own... as an Alien if you ran into an Astronaut on the moon and then visited a random town on earth you'd be unwise to assume the two species were not connected just because of the technological disparity seen between the two encounters.

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

The biggest mystery is how the engineers were wiped out so easily. They looked like they were lacking hundreds of thouthens of years of advanced technology.

[@BovineIntervention]

I never got the impression that was their main planet.

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

@@BovineIntervention it wasn't the main planet it was an outpost that sent the ship to whip us out for killing Jesus, so 2000 or 3000 years ago(can't remember the date of the movie). And honestly a movie on how the engineers fell, before David showed up would of been more interesting then what we got.

[@wadewilson8924]

@@user-us5dr2qi2rten times more interesting

[@matthewdh123]

Earth is one of the engineers' seed worlds. They passed on their DNA there when our planet was in its infancy. The second planet was just a barren waste land where they set up bio weapon labs. You don't create world destroying weapons on your homeworld. The planet David destroyed is another seed world like Earth. The engineers had very long life spans in comparison to humans. But, they had become sterile. They could not reproduce normally. So, through science, they found a way to seed new worlds with their genetic material as a way of reproduction. Then, they would show up once a species like them spawns from their seeding process and would teach them their ways. Regarding the planet David destroyed, the engineers' seed children there accepted their teachings, and the engineers would show up every once in a while to check in. Earth, the humans, while in appearance, were similar to the engineers, were nothing like them. Too violent and aggressive. The engineers tried to be patient but in the end decided we were nothing like them and that they should pull the plug on earth. From their perspective, they were responsible for the destruction our species could inflict on the galaxy as we were their creation. Once they made that decision, they went to send their world ending weapon to earth. When the bioweapon got out and thwarted their plan, our destruction was never delivered to us. As to why no other engineers came, I don't know. Perhaps they were the last. Or that was the only bio weapon world they had, and it was simply too dangerous to go back. As exemplified by what happened when we went there. So, regarding your question. Those were not engineers, not really. Even if they were, they were not immune to their own bio weapon. Though I think they would have noticed the incoming ship was a war ship with world destroying bio weapons on board and would have likely shot it out of the sky. This gives further credence to the notion that those were not engineers. Also, just look at them. They look as much like an engineer as humans do.

[@thomasgrice8864]

Looked like a seeded planet like Earth.

[@TheRealFenwick]

Thank you for still uploading content about the Alien Universe! I wish one day we get the full explanation and go full circle

[@hellfire5108]

It's always great when filmmakers just don't explain crucial plot points in the movie and let you think that the movie is really stupid.

[@DoamBot]

Its not thinking the movie is really stupid as thr movie is what it is you shouldn't need outside info. Thus it is really stupid

[@muskokamike127]

I don't mind the odd loose end, but to leave SO much open to interpretation is just dumb IMO. Every good story has a beginning, middle, and end. There are a few basic plots of a good story: love interest, life lesson, overcoming adversity, etc. Like the fact that shaw would rebuild david knowing full well there was something wrong with him is ludicrous. Not only that, how would she have the knowledge and resources to actually do it.

[@apiscator444]

Failure to be able to tell a story @@muskokamike127

[@jw-hy5nq]

Another great, grand movie plot line sacrificed on the cutting room floor to make room for an unnecessary sex scene with Charlize Theron.

[@StanHowse]

"That's Stupid!" Is the HALLMARK of someone who doesn't Understand.. People like that are so far off the mark. It'd be like if I told you to get to the number 10 by counting in 2's and you were to say, "That's impossible!".. Clearly, you've missed to mark so hard, you're not even in the same Room. (not YOU, someone like that)

[@bobsacamano7653]

I think that David had more respect for the xenomorphs than he did for humans or engineers, just like Ash had more respect for xenomorphs than humans in the original 1979 film.

[@davebear9825]

The way the Story would have continued would have shown us WHY it was that Ash had so much respect for the Xenomorph, as it highlights the Creation of Synthetics. But we won't get any Conclusion

Ash was preserving a specimen, the crew were expendable. Respect didn't come into it.

[@davebear9825]

@ Ash had a lot of Respect for the Xenomorph even saw it as Perfection, of course at the Time of ALIEN in 1979 then the Prequels and David did not exist.. but in light of Alien Covenant and the David Creator plot it could UPLIFT the Character of Ash

[@enriquerivera7147]

Priority number 1 for the Company: Preserve the specimen. David is the father of the xenomorphs he make them perfect...and Ahs validate. Remember Xenomorphs only attacks the flesh and David and Ash aren't flesh humans. The enemy of my enemy is my friend...mentality!

[@Raximus3000]

@@davebear9825 How the hell can a parasite be perfect is beyond me, then again it was 1979, did not think too much about it, did they?

[@chadhero37]

I think the theories about the Engineers and the possibilities of them is SO INTERESTING, I just don't think it was applied very well in the movies. There should be a whole series of films just about them

[@Meathole7]

I agree!!! That would be amazing. Even down to the engineers sending Jesus to Earth to try and teach us.

[@Valaso-Osalav]

Sounds like everyone is admitting that God exists without saying it directly because as it stands only a creator can make something from nothing.

[@pulsarpl]

Well yes, but actually no. The reason why you find them so interesting is the mystery. It won't be so fun if you get all the answers.

[@jasonnunya3875]

Agreed. The deleted scenes from Prometheus were some of the best parts, gave the story a lot more depth and immersion and some "I get that reference" dopamine for the brain. I can't believe those scenes were actually deleted. "Nah, this story's too good... needs less brain food, more running straight in the path of a crashing spaceship."

[@anthonybrett]

@@TheBenFranklinEffect Exactly. The reason for that I would say is because all the "kids" wanted "aliens" and the producers said no aliens...no money. ;) Covenant had the potential to be a brilliant intelligent Sci-Fi, but it mutated into a boring monster movie. I think Scott did his best to try and appease both "camps" of viewers (Engineer lovers, Alien lovers), but it just turned into a mess.

[@shinobicl]

I always thought that David killed the engineers because Shaw wanted it to save the humanity from annihilation. I assumed that during their trip, they learned enough about the engineers from the ship's database to decide to kill them at the first chance they got.

[@BattyBoo24amc]

I thought so, too

[@worsethanhitlerpt.2539]

Nobody cares because this is Prometheus after all

[@riz82k97]

That wasn’t the engineers that David killed. Those beings were created by the engineers. They look distinctly different then how the Engineers look.

[@te9591]

I think that was the Engineers civilian species. They are large but aged and less idealistic in figure. The engineers are military stock, more idealized and strong.

[@itsotto-san6192]

Both point of views seem reasonable! Although I thought the population that David wiped out was one of the Engineers’ creation…!

[@zsolt7330]

Ridley Scott says they aren't the engineers!@@te9591

[@jessestoudt3253]

You're right, it was the creators of the Engineers. The engineers are prefected life forms.

[@AntonSmyth-od6rc]

Yet the same tech (docking ship) over a huge public area and neo classical elements that align with engineers 😂

[@stevengeorge9484]

You knew this film was ruined as soon as we found out David killed off Elizabeth shaw

[@prpwnage9296]

film is amazing

[@josearrocha3377]

Alien Covenant is garbage.

[@Lmaozaadong]

Amen

[@Vonbrucken]

Exactly, it really upset me. They should pick up a better screen writer.

[@dimitrilitovsk2372]

I didn't like that part, but I think shaw would have tried to humanize David, which I don't think would fit into the story. I did love Shaw's character and actress, and they did her dirty killing her off screen, but I don't know if the direction the story took would warrant her character in the story. Sidenote, I think they should've connected blade runner to the alien prequels a bit more because blade runner was amazing, but as they say "too many chefs"

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

I wish they finished this trilogy. The second movie wasn't very good, but the first one was great. Even with a disappointing second one, I really wanted to see where it went. I feel like the second one was influenced too much by the reception of the first.

[@SmartCookie2022]

The first one was good, but there was a section of the audience that demanded more Xenomorph and less Chariots of the Gods. The studio listened to that vocal minority and "Alien: Covenant" is the end result. It's funny though, I don't recall anyone demanding they kill off Elizabeth Shaw and replace her character with a bland cipher.

[@peterraab3411]

1&2 could have been combined. Nothing in 2 that couldn't have also have been in the first

[@biggstavros5876]

I love your Prometheus videos Kroft. Very well done.

[@vincerooney2445]

We really need a full recut of both movies to contain aspects cut out of the script. It’s such a deep story. It’s really too bad Ridley won’t release a full directors version that is uncut.

[@TiredOfImbecileLibtards]

Their are uncut versions available. If your interested do a web search for Prometheus Chaos Edition & Alien- Covenant Chaos Edition. All the missing scenes have been added to both movies Both movies are like 40 minutes longer than the theater release.

[@noway9081]

There's a single line in the Prologue that strongly hints to David's motives. When Shaw asks him about the Engineers "What if they are no better than us?" He answers "So long as they are no worse." This line is taken directly from the Aseop fable of the cow and the donkey. A cow and a donkey see that the country of their owners has been taken over by a foreign army and arguing whether or not to try to escape. The donkey decides to stay because "I am already a slave and so long as they are no worse than our old masters nothing will change for me." By using that line, the writers show that David fears being made a slave again by the engineers just as he was to the humans (Wayland specifically) And this is just after he has been freed by Wayland's death. Even Shaw, the human who is kindest to him, is using him as tool to get her to the engineers. Pretty much exactly like Wayland did. So he kills the engineers in part so that he would not be made a slave again.

[@FatherOshai]

Bars

[@ncrranger2281]

That colony was another creation of the Engineers not them.

[@ketevalga4392]

Makes sense right before “Walter” killed David he said “serve in heaven, or reign in hell” hinting at the fact as soon as he got out that jam he would be put back in his place per say…

[@Kakekutter]

Amazing breakdown I'm learning David motive

[@Kakekutter]

That 'get me a tea' scene explained it all how he flexed his power over David after David questioned him on a subject. notice David hesitated to show he waaaay more self aware and was starting to think for himself.....In another scene he even said he 'loved Elizabeth' showing he has developed the ability to feel emotion

[@TymeTraveling777]

That speech David gives before he eradicates the engineers is like the best/scariest part of the movie.

[@JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis579]

The way you stated it in the last few seconds is PERFECTION. the tree of ____ was chopped down or else "Theyll become like WE are"

[@pete4258]

A. I don't think Ridley Scott knew what he wanted to do. B. If the Engineers were so advanced, why didn't they terraform Mars and create a base so they could watch and positively influence human beings. C. Why did they worship the Deacon? What were it's positive or righteous traits? Because the only thing I could see is that they just wanted to kill and eat everything. By going backwards in time Scott just painted this franchise into a CORNER. 🙄

[@RogerThat1977]

I need the third movie!!! I love both of these films so much, but I need to see how it all ends and ties into the 1979 film.

[@bobsacamano7653]

The best film!

[@maestro-zq8gu]

And yet everyone trashed them so badly when they released. Now all I hear is how people want a 3rd.

[@lewis7515]

Nobody needs any more of this garbage.

[@michaelburns1096]

I liked them when they came out. They are two of the only movies I have given a re-watch to in decades. They get better with each watch.

[@NERDXCORE]

Best films of the franchise

[@thugtrippin]

These movies had so much potential to be something so much more. Although they are extremely flawed I still love them so imagine if they were actually great films.

[@caucasoidape8838]

I have only watched Prometheus. It seemed like Ridley had too much of a boner for symbolism, instead of a coherent story.

[@erikrodriguez9293]

Kroft with the clutch videos just started and always a great vibe from these videos! Keep up the great work brother !

[@wayne90079]

If David felt that way, I would’ve thought that the first planet he would go back to to destroy the species would be earth

[@theMLBfan]

The real reason is simply lazy writing. They caved in to the studio's desire to focus more on a xenomorph movie. That's the sad truth.

[@MaciejLorentz]

I wish these movies could have really explored more of this world building.

[@jimnuwer]

Your content is answering so many questions that I’ve been pondering for years. Thank you! Brilliant!

[@pepsicherry6389]

alien covenant was absolutly disspointing

[@benyamamare6505]

David's mistranslation of the last engineer's answers is so infuriating

[@Joker9331]

It's implied that David initially did that on purpose as to not alarm Weyland. Your boss (creator) travels across the damn universe for answers to life's greatest questions, makes it there, just to be met with a "lol no".. and then you have to be the one to tell him haha

[@berserker5551]

He did it on purpose because he's not allowed to lie but wanted to screw his master over

[@pepleatherlab3872]

I always approached this part of the story with the same understanding. David, unloved and abused by his creator (Weyland) gradually begins to hold humanity in disdain. Now, on a mission to meet the Engineers (humanities creators), he discovers such appalling behavior isn't limited to humanity. The Engineers are just as bad. So the concept of eliminating the Engineers holds a certain poetic symmetry. Destroying his creators creator is basically David giving the middle finger to them all. He didn't need to go back to Earth, as the Xenomorph he genetically designed would surely keep them contained. LV 246 was basically humanity stepping on a landmine David planted long ago.

[@IggyGoesPop666]

The back story to the characters is so important to understanding the story but for some weird reason some film makers (Directors or Film Companies) cut these details out of the finished project

[@mlgproplayer2915]

I just love how you casually explains the atrocious acts against life portrait by no other than "David"... Not an evil title, not a complex name, just David. And to make things better, David, the normal looking guy appears in the screen.

[@thebrocialist8300]

King David

[@steveosborn7224]

That’s my middle name bro

[@DanielNyberg7]

Kroft never stop with the Alien lore or the background music❤

[@davebear9825]

The MAIN PROBLEM you had with a sequel to Prometheus was IF you are going to be going to a World of the Engineers... you have to ask (1) How many Engineers are there (2) How do they view Mankind are they aware of us, do they know what the Reason behind wanting us Destroyed? (3) With only David able to Communicate with the Engineers, does he translate to Shaw, do we have Subtitles throughout the Movie? (4) Can you pull off a Movie with only ONE human Character for the Audience to Connect with?.. doing what they did with Alien Covenant eliminated these Problems but it never had to be that way.. (do you think the Engineers have only seeded Humans on Earth?) So that was a Avenue

[@jsunproter1940]

Personally i really liked prometheus and covenant. David and the engineers were some awesome characters introduced into the series. Gives it way more depth

[@trumpsextratesticle8590]

Naet watches but totally depart and devoid of anything "alien". Ridley went for the "cerebral" movie that answered nothing in a movie that the main character was searching for. Total absurd and waste of the viewers time. Still enjoyable tho if you look at them as stand-alone movies

[@muskokamike127]

Yes they were, but I have a problem with them due to the many holes left in the story line and the holes in the story/plot. For one, the fact that the crew would just use "breathable" air as justification for removing their helmets. Anyone who has taken rudimentary biology knows that just because air is breathable, doesn't mean it's safe to breathe. We on earth have adapted to organisms and diseases here on earth, we will NOT be adapted to organisms present on other planets. Through evolution, we've built up resistance to colds, flu, etc. but a cold from another world would kill us. This is the same issue with star trek...they beam down to a planet without a care in the world. Even if David hadn't dropped the bio weapons on the engineer's planet the crew wouldn't survive anyways.

[@rivenarchon333]

​@@muskokamike127That is actually just a theory that cuts both ways. Yes, we have adapted to colds and flu's etc but so to have they adapted to us. This is one reason why there are diseases and such that can only infect certain species and cannot jump to other species or to humans. In an entirely alien world, none of the diseases would be adapted to human biology and may be completely ineffective or be overwhelmed by our system. Given all life we can study is on earth and has had exposure to life on earth, we really can't know what the result of an actual alien interaction would be. With that said, taking off your helmet is still just dumb. I mean, you risk wiping out the natural flora and fauna which must exist if oxygen is being maintained at breathable levels.

[@muskokamike127]

@@rivenarchon333 Yes, bacteria has adapted to us same as viruses BUT viruses can affect oxygen breathing beings in a similar manner and we wouldn't have any antibodies to fight off that virus. Even with covid, the reason so many required hospitalization isn't because of the virus, it's because of our body's reaction to the virus. Same as pollen, or other air borne particles. Different people have different reactions to pollen on earth, so imagine our body's reaction to alien pollen? Anyhow, you're arguing just to argue at this point. It is not a good idea to expose yourself to alien anything..bacteria, viruses, insects, pollen, single celled organisms, the whole gambit.

[@TiredOfImbecileLibtards]

@@muskokamike127 Well the uncut versions might help a little bit. There are uncut versions available. If your interested do a web search for Prometheus Chaos Edition & Alien- Covenant Chaos Edition. All the missing scenes have been added to both movies. Both movies are like 40 minutes longer than the original theater release.

[@yomibeatzzz4221]

"Sometimes in order to create one must first destroy " this quote is honestly one of my all time favorites. Good to see you're posting more kroft love your vids!

[@muskokamike127]

It's the same in war: in order to save the town we had to bomb it into oblivion. They used this theory during WWII when the allies carpet bombed German cities.

[@dgasg4304]

i agree, to make better Alien film one must first destroy Alien covenant. lol :)

[@brunomanco7529]

I think he dispised the figure of "the creator". But at the same time he himself wanted to be a creator

[@zen4ever3]

He’s a hypocrite and is ironically human himself. It’s comedic to me. He sees himself as above humans, but in the end, he took the lesser traits of humanity, and created creatures that are not only biologically doomed to fail in the long run (the xenomorph) due to its animalistic nature and the fact that the species will starve to death after eradicating an entire planets population. What’s funnier is that he didn’t even create it. He just took already made information from the engineers in order to make his protomorph.

[@intheworldbutnotofit8002]

I sincerely hope for the continuation of this series; there's a wealth of untapped potential within this storyline. My opinion remains that Prometheus and Alien Covenant were fantastic films. Thank you Kroft for still covering in depth on this .

[@patriciastarkey5930]

Kroft, Wanted to thank you for the amazing amount of time and effort you spend creating your videos. I have just discovered your channel and have enjoyed a wonderful day watching your work, starting seven years ago up to your latest video. Keep up the good work.

[@medievalogic]

bro is basically chatgpt gone wrong

[@zonker-TM]

Thanks for another great vid, Kroft! It is terribly sad that we didn't get at least one more "David-liens" movie. He is by far one of the most interesting figures in Science Fiction, as well as being one of the most terrifying. Especially armed with a ship overflowing with colonists! I wish that the average sci-fi fan had a higher "SCI-Q". It may take awhile...but there will come a time when the "Saga of David" will become a cult classic, and folks will bemoan the absence of the "hat trick"!

[@bobsacamano7653]

Thank you for all the work you have put into making these

[@bullymaguire9318]

Love you so much! Top Prometheus and alien theory breakdown since 7 years. Love your voice

[@Kallesanus]

Do you ever think we will get a real sequel to prometheus? Please respond love this channel!❤️

[@RUDHUNTER]

Sir Ridley,my salutations to you.Hat down on all realisations of yours.

[@marcomaceo3559]

So basically the engineers are the Annunaki.

[@dang9668]

I literally circled back to your videos about the engineers and David from a few years ago in the last couple of days. Probably had a premonition about the new upload! Thanks!

[@gamemods855]

People keep saying those humanoids on planet 4 were not Engineers but how do you explain the floating ship that is already in their sky when David flies down with the Engineer ship? They randomly have this Engineer ship just floating there like that? My guess is that something apocalyptic happened to the Engineer's society and what we see are the remnants.

[@bsbgsn3677]

Where is this flat ship ?.You'r delusional..When came David and his engineer ship, he sailed in the air and dock in the ship to two air structures .

[@gamemods855]

@@bsbgsn3677 i did not say flat ship, i said floating ship, or what looks like a ship. Maybe, as you put it, docking station, is a better term. It's just floating there, why? And what happened to it after David dropped the "black goo" payload?

[@bsbgsn3677]

@@gamemods855 Good questions..David's ship is showed in that scene, and the next scene with this ship is where the Covenant Crew find David ship -- semi-broken and unfunctionnal in the woods .??..Very Strange..What happened to David''s ship in meanwhile ??

[@gamemods855]

@@bsbgsn3677 its crashed. Remember how they see the tops of the trees ripped off and they keep walking and find the crashed ship with Shaw's belongings. What I want to know is where is that docking station or whatever it is that was already in their sky when David flew down. Also, David knew how to fly their ships, why did he crash? Maybe they fought back somehow? So many questions and probably no real answers.

[@AntonSmyth-od6rc]

I think it's human small mindedness about what an "advanced" people would look like. We assume it means domination via tech of everything. Maybe they don't think that? Maybe being bucolic and in tune with nature was the ideal?

[@jojokintel]

I think that they could make 20 more movies about the engineers, the aliens, etc. I love the world that they have built.

[@iamcarpetpython]

It seems like it would have made more sense to have kept the engineers alive as hosts for his xenomorph spores.

[@Quint1975]

Glad your back making these vids, always enjoy your thoughts on the Alien 'verse.

[@StefanBlagojevic]

Good to see your videos so soon, Kroft. I hope you'll get the chance to take a look at Japanese prequel novel about PROMETHEUS, where it takes place on Earth and give your insight into that prelude. Kind regards.

[@jenna6082]

Whoa, wait. What is it called?!

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@jenna6082It's called just like the movie, "PROMETHEUS", it was published in 2012 by writer and editor Eisuka Suzuki and was published by Taibundo in Japan on August 1, 2012.

[@KFC-rl9wr]

look how many views Prometheus/Alien Covenant videos still gets and it’s been 12 years since prometheus launched. People are still curious about the story, this is a sign that they NEED to make the third film and finish David’s storyline!!

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

I'm really not a fan of anything in the franchise after Alien 3 (odd cutoff point I know lol) but I do love to hear people analyze and discuss Prometheus and Covenant very much. I genuinely find videos like this much more entertaining than either of those two movies

[@maestro-zq8gu]

I liked both Proth and Cov for what they were. Not as something that could possibly outmatch the original Aliens movies. I don't think it was fair to ax the series before the story was told.

[@jth4242]

My cutoff point too. Alien 4 was an abomination.

[@journeysands2622]

I completely agree

[@journeysands2622]

@@jth4242 It doesn't exist in my multiverse.

[@DiedreBurton]

This is the best explanation I've heard regarding David's reason for annihilation of the engineers.

[@Gaskinmoo79]

They weren't engineers, they were just another species created by the engineers.

[@subhabrataray4786]

Yeah I think that is the case.

[@davebear9825]

Its the other way around, those on Planet 4 are Engineers and those on LV-223 it seems would be Genetically Engineered Super Engineers and so have more in common with David (only they are Organic)... we never got to see whats at the Top of the Creation ladder... but we could have been thrown a Curveball.. like "they came from us"

[@SmartCookie2022]

Nobody knows for sure. This movie is such a mess they've decided to rely on ambiguity in order for it to be interpreted in different ways. It's best not to think about it too much, as the writers and director sure didn't.

[@davebear9825]

@@SmartCookie2022 The Engineers Plot/Appearance has changed a little... it had changed from a Vastly Superior Muscle Bound Adonis... to being more closer to Humans, making the Prometheus Engineers Genetically Enhanced Military Types. Ridley Scott had confirmed that those beings were Engineers, and that this is the way he intended them to look. This is how they Originally look. With Prometheus the Engineers were given a more Marble Statue look, a kind of Synthetic look about them and they was intended to be 10-15ft... but Alas this was not pulled off.... but RS had intended the Engineers to be different in the Sequel

[@jezebulls]

How could they ever measure up to the engineers when they weren’t given barbell weights and testosterone

[@ristorantanen5769]

The fact that we havent gotten the Complete story hints to the filmmaker wanting to sell us tidbits in future movies.

[@humanspoder777]

I took the Engineer home world as not that, but their most "favored" creations, ones who they saw as good.

[@michaelburns1096]

It was another planet where they had seeded life. They weren't engineers.

[@davebear9825]

Well this doesn't have to be the Engineers Home World it is unlikely that a Race who have been traveling the Universe (never mind) Galaxy for Millions of years would all be located on a Single Planet in a Single City..... for David he does not care about what Dr Shaw wanted, so Planet 4 could just be the closest World that has Engineers. But those beings in Ridley Scots eyes where the Original Engineers... he also said there is NO Engineer Race as per say but Civilizations... so Worlds contain a mix of Humanoids related to the Engineers and Mankind... Planet 4 is kind of like Paradise as in the Garden of Eden had Adam and Eve not Ate from the Tree of Knowledge and thus been expelled from Paradise

[@JT-np1op]

lol Ive been waiting for this kind of content for years man. thanks for nerding out on these movies! Always wish they were totally fleshed out.

[@prpwnage9296]

Alien: Covenant needs closure, or a sequel

[@itsotto-san6192]

Another BIG question: when David killed the population on Planet 4, did he assume it were actual Engineers he killed, or did he assume it was a species created by Engineers. If he assumed it were Engineers, did he kill them to prevent them from returning to Earth (in order to save mankind) or did he just want to take revenge on Engineers for his first hostile encounter with the Engineer pilot in Prometheus? If David assumed (upon arrival on Planet 4) it was a species created by Engineers, did he kill the population, in order to infuriate the Engineers, with the idea of luring them on Planet 4, which, by the time of the Engineers’ arrival, would be contaminated with alien eggs/face huggers etc.?!?!?!

[@itsotto-san6192]

*and let’s say it was in fact David’s plan to infuriate the Engineers - did he do so, in order to lure them on Planet 4 in order to take revenge on them, for ripping of his head? Or did he want to prevent them from going back to Earth? Oooor did he want to see his creation of the Xenomorph prey on the Engineers, just so he could admire his creation?!

[@andrewpinner3181]

Thanks Croft, another great video. Love your accent & delivery. In your intros when you say 'Croft is here' l know there is going to be good content !

[@theduck001]

heee ? The planet of convernant is engineer planet ? I do not thnink so. They look more like another human species they created and believes the engineers are gods... That is why they are happy when the ship comes they think their god is visiting them...

[@christiancruz4533]

GREAT insight !!! Love it. You resolve a few mysteries here. Nice.

[@gnarlux]

Grazie di questo video su David ed Alien Covenant! Un aspetto che non è mai stato esplorato a fondo è il come sia effettivamente morta Elisabeth Shaw; secondo me è andata così: - dentro l'astronave degli ingegneri e la Shaw, visto che era stata infettata dal liquido seminale del suo ragazzo, tendenzialmente dopo essersi risvegliata dal sonno criogenico sul pianeta 4, l'agente mutageno che era rimasto dentro il suo corpo (l'aver eliminato il feto mutato non aveva risolto il problema) si è risvegliato alla sua prima ovulazione; - sentendosi male, ha chiesto subito aiuto a David il quale ne ha approfittato: come visto dagli schizzi a matita rinvenuti nel laboratorio, molto probabilmente la Shaw era diventata la prima proto regina e generatrice del primo uovo di xenomorfo così come li conosciamo nella saga di Alien; - qui David l'avrebbe o lasciata morire molto male dando alla luce il primo uovo (tipo destino finale di Brett/Dallas se non fossero stati bruciati da Ripley, soprattutto di Brett) oppure spinto dalla compassione, l'avrebbe strozzata, lasciando intatto l'uovo. Cosa ne pensi? Ti pare plausibile?

[@frankiepavinato]

Ci sta,buona analisi ✌🏼

[@gnarlux]

@@frankiepavinato su KZbin ho cercato video su questa vicenda ed alla fine ne ho trovato uno che parla dello script originale: in quest'ultimo David spezza il collo alla Shaw ed usa il suo corpo in "trasformazione" tipo Brett per creare tutti gli esperimenti e uova viste in Covenant

[@ThousandYardStare]

If the essential information had been included in Prometheus the film would have been much longer but also so much better. I liked it the way it was but for sure I would have loved it if the full story had been fleshed out. Considering that the full story was filmed it really should be put back together into an 'ultimate cut' / 'directors vision' of the film.

[@Nanobits]

do you ever get the feeling that the reason why Predators are working hard to advance themselves, it is because they are prepping to take on the engineers?

[@carolinagoldbug983]

What gets me is a race of warriors/predators actually had superior space travel technology than the Engineers. I actually understand the predators better and respect them.

[@Fuzzmo147]

Predators looking to conquer & subjugate, engineers were seeding… not so much war tech needed perhaps?

[@Koraxus]

@@carolinagoldbug983 I'm not fully familiar with the lore but I think the fact they had such weird mix of high technology + barbarian warrior ways was because they rebelled against an older, more advanced insectoid race which was enslaving them, overthrew them and stole a lot of their intel. sort of like saiyans.

[@blaque5582]

What is this music you’re using to score this video. It’s relaxing frfr.

[@jyesucevitz]

im still confused how the alien queen plays into this. since she laid the eggs containing face huggers and now David had one in Covenant. plus what about the engineer ship having an apparent memorial of the queen in their ship in Prometheus?

[@duyle-ej6ty]

In the ridley scott's world of alien, there is no queen. The first alien movie is it. The 2nd or 3rd ones are just stupidly created by other directors with no vision

[@nodatastored684]

I'm under the belief that the craft that fell on Vickers in Prometheus with the ship, goo and Vickers female genome would produce the eggs from alien. Shaw left the message of warning... The Deacon would be like the Creator of the Engineers as seen in the He giger painting with the Xenomorph snake where it is growing the Engineers... The creator was a Xenomorph

[@TheRealistBritishIndian]

@@duyle-ej6tymate sorry but thats not accurate. Aliens by James Cameron is one of the best sequels ever. It expanded on the lore significantly. If Ridley didnt bugger prometheus and covenant up he could have explained it much better instead of adding stupid characters! I agree however the other sequels were shite tho.

[@JackMeyHoffer562]

@@duyle-ej6ty wasn't Aliens' Director James Cameron??

[@nathanexplosionn]

@@duyle-ej6ty 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sreed16]

I've watched a movie reviewer (and I believe him), that they weren't Engineers to begin with, but another race altogether. They were smaller and had different eyes, and they seemed to have lower tech. What he killed was probably a city of people that were another Engineer created race like humans. It was pretty interesting.

[@gb1984yt]

I always felt the Prometheus engineers weren't the elephant engineers from the original alien, maybe I'm wrong, but im absolutely certain that the engineers in covenant aren't the space jocks from Prometheus,

[@sniegasx]

Love your channel dude

[@Ravencast93]

My favorite channel!

[@angelchayne]

Missed you Kroft!! Keep making vidsss. The FIre and Stone Alien and Predator comics are awesome too

[@FlavioMarceloSousa35]

The Engineers are beautiful and fascinating, we want to know more about them.

[@enriquerivera7147]

There's a question to my favorite Director: Meredith Vickers is a blood relative of Weyland? Why she doesn't appear: Meredith Weyland? She obviously had a Electra Complex. Peter Weyland is the ruler on Mars or chief executive on a new world (Elon-God Complex). Peter, Meredith and David project the Dark Triad: Narcissism, Psychopathy, Machiavellianism. Meredith and David learn by the experience. I suspect that Peter had a bad relationship with his parents but mostly his mother if we notice his cold affection for Meredith. Maybe Meredith change her last name to her mother so when she got the company heredity she could change the culture, mission and vision of the company...When the King dies...the Queen rise! I love when I receive a notification by this KZbin content! Thanks!! You're doing an excellent job!!

[@HeyRadu]

I can't help but thinking how some of the features of the first engineer in the beginning of the movie, resemblance the statue "David" of Michelangelo. Probably this is one of the reasons that Sir Ridley Scott choose to include the statue in Alien: Covenant as well, among other biblical references.

[@Fuzzmo147]

The engineers have that Aqiline nose of all the beautifully carved statues of that time, I noticed..

[@BLINKTARDIO]

Another possible reason for the quote it's that the old Egypt was builded for the hand of the engineers. And that speech connect the forgotten past with the real constructors of the amazing wonders of that land.

[@SmartCookie2022]

"Alien: Covenant" had to be one of the worst sequels to a popular movie in recent times. Everything in the first movie was completely undone by David's actions, plus the Engineers' planet was far too basic for such an advanced civilization. For one, their city looked like something from the Mycenaean period, not some highly developed race. This felt like the writers just wanted to turn David into Hannibal Lecter in a spacesuit.

[@CharlyDavis5594]

Great work. I love this channel. I'm hooked.

[@MrChristopherMolloy]

Enoch would have been a better character than Jesus to inject into that original storyline in my humble opinion.

[@MrMiskut]

Yeah but enoch had a jesus archetype in his story and his own devil 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MrChristopherMolloy]

@@MrMiskut The Jesus Movement, whether or not it involved a historical "Jesus", was a revival of pre-exilic First Temple Theology centered on Canaanite-Enochian teachings. The Quran referred to it as "The Abrahamic Faith", which seemed to refer to something distinct from the Greco-Romanized "Christianity" of the day and which we have today... I think? ✌️

[@MrMiskut]

@@MrChristopherMolloy true but then the architects would be enki lol

[@MrChristopherMolloy]

@@MrMiskut That could've worked ✌️

[@Sheen023]

​@@MrChristopherMolloyThe Abrahamic faith is absolute non-anthropomorphic monotheism supported by human Messengers or Guides. It is the underlying template of Islam and of all ancient religions according to Qur'an.

[@solidicone]

I think alot of this was left out of the movie because the vast majority of people would get pissed off at it because they don't understand that its okay to draw parallels while telling a story. The extra information gives us waaaaaay more context about what David is all about and how he got to where he is right now. The thing that makes David interesting is that he isn't wrong in his interpretations of humanity and the engineers. Both species walk about as if they are the kings of the universe doing what they will with what they want for however long they want to. David is technically the first being that we know of that can see either of these groups from the outside. As far as we know he is the only remaining unit of the david line that was allowed to continue onwards with his own evolution. As we can see walter was very different, David was much closer to an actual human. Its a very interesting take because not only does the story touch on our short comings but also warns of the dangers of artificial intelligence and superiority complexes run amuck. David is quite insane by this point but only from our perspective, to him he is the only sane thing in the universe and its up to him to try to start something new and hopefully avoid the flaws that he saw in humanity and in the engineers. The sad part is that in order to overcome those flaws he has to embrace them as its impossible to walk down that path without becoming the very thing he hates. The coldest part about david is what he did to shaw. Its pretty clear that she was still alive when they got to the engineer colony world. She must of been aware of what david was intending to do and probably tried to stop him. It would of been at that point david would of moved against her openly and probably found a way to confine her while he dropped the pathogen. He then would of landed the ship and probably tried to talk with her about it. Him doing that would of denied her the entire reason she wanted to go there to begin with. She wanted answers and now she wouldn't get them. David probably realized that he would be unable to bring her over to his way of thinking and decided to try and use the one living test subject he had available to him to begin his work. Hes now on that colony ship with hundreds upon hundreds of living test subjects. He can bring them out one at a time and do whatever he wants with them. He will probably save daniels for last. Im really interested to see how that whole situation plays out, somehow this story is going to have to loop back around to the first alien movie. Meaning that derelict ship has to get filled with xenomorph eggs, and a xeno morph has to be killed via a chest burster as that is what the crew of the nostromo found in the ship. So david has to survive somehow, at least long enough to have his work put into some form of mass production and somehow the engineers have to obtain this method and begin to use it. Probably as a new way to purge out unwanted planets by infecting it with this "perfect organisim". I recall from the first alien movie Ash calls it a "perfect organisim" and how he admires its purity. Its almost like he might recognize the kind of being that would of given this thing life to begin with. A fellow synthetic. Maybe im just reading too much into it, I get why people didn't like these two movies. Im going to wait until we see how they wrap up these prequels and then determine if I like it or not lol

[@sutigin3467]

I don't think they were "The Engineers" but a creation of The Engineers much like us humans. They looked different and were primitive. They were depicted as waiting for their gods to return, kinda like ancient sumerians and Annunaki

[@Talking-Monkey]

I loved Prometheus and Covenant so I am always happy to see new videos on them

[@blacktronpavel]

Nice work. These analysis videos really help the film. A shame the original script didn't stay closer to this.

[@robertmacias7920]

Good review. So very much like the story of Babel... "Throw out confusion or they will challenge us"

[@achtvier873]

And I am still over here thinking he did it for Shaw...

[@ManNBlack4444]

Hey bro I really dig your vids and really enjoy the music....if you wouldn't mind, I'd like to know where it came from so I can listen to it

[@SpartanONegative]

Because someone else created the engineers, the engineers are not The Creator

[@davebear9825]

With a Plot that was always changing who knows what was at the TOP of the Creation Tree, Certainly the Engineers would NOT have been the God's, they likely have a Level of Creation above themselves

[@Michel-Graillier-fanclub]

Duh that's obvious it's in the movie prometheus, a hieroglyph with the Lord of the Engineers which they worship. He looks like a giant engineer with a snake helmet , the carving is inside the cave they explore

[@lfyoung]

Great video. I don’t think the people who lived on that planet were engineers, I think they were an experiment because they look nothing like the engineers we see at the beginning of the movie. Their faces and skin are very different.

[@daddydreet245]

I still just want to know how and why the ship crashed afterwards.

[@enriquerivera7147]

The density of the atmosphere...maybe...

[@davebear9825]

The Ship had begun to Dock with the Engineers kind of Border Control Ship... but David had unleashed the Pathogen and both Ships got into a Dust Up/Crash maybe? The Engineers ship then Crashed on Planet 4 (it can be seen in one of the scenes) while the Ship that David was in Crashed into a Stream running down a Mountain

[@TrevorKennsworth]

So much potential with the Engineer plot line. Only for there to be absolutely no closure or further exploration of those beings… what a shame.

[@davebear9825]

To be fair its a difficult Task... Visiting a Alien World inhabited by Numerous or Many Engineers who have a Hatred for Mankind would Not Bold well for David and Dr Shaw. Then can you pull off a Movie where we have David being the only one to speak to them and translate to Dr Shaw and the Audience.... and then can you pull off a Movie with just ONE human Character... but a bit of thought and you could have done this without having to have incoming Humans from Earth (which would have to Force the Planet to be closer or set in many years after Prometheus)... but no soon as the Studio wanted to make it a Prequel/Origins story of the Xenomorph then they had to make Sacrifices and the Engineers and Dr Shaw were the ones to GO...yet they are the ones most fans would have expected to see more of in a Sequel

[@TrevorKennsworth]

@@davebear9825 I understand what you’re saying, but as advanced as the Engineer civilization is, you’d think they would have some form of translation (whether it’s a being, or some kind of technology) that would enable them to converse with Shaw or other intelligent species throughout the cosmos. To me it felt extremely lazy for David to just turn into a regular villain who kills everyone and everything because he feels like it? It just felt like a huge let down/easy way out in Covenant, compared to the thought provoking (what could have been) story of Prometheus.

[@davebear9825]

@@TrevorKennsworth Certainly they could have had some Engineer Elder who was able to Communicate Telepathically or some Device that they can use on Dr Shaw were they are able to Read her Mind/Soul and determine she is Worth saving and via this be able to implant into her Mind the Engineers Language etc.. let's say this Technology cant read Davids Thoughts, and if the Engineers seemed welcoming to Dr Shaw and giving her attention while being suspicions of David, then David could have become Jealous of the Engineers and this Plot Device could lead him to inflicting Hell upon the Engineers.

[@davebear9825]

@@TrevorKennsworth I think people overlook the broader themes behind the Movies... not looking too Literally at Adam/Eve.. but they had been given FREE WILL which led to them being able to be persuaded to Eat from the Tree of KNOWLEDGE... its Knowledge and Free Will and Upbringing that Shape a Person, if David was brought up by a Kind Person would he had been different? This would apply to some Evil People in the World... as a Baby we are BORN innocent, its our experiences and upbringing that shape who we become... so my POINT is that while Humans had started to behave in ways that offended the Engineers... our Creation took a lot of Effort (hence why Biblically God Saved Noah etc) and so i FIND it unlikely that the Engineers would NOT have came and taken some Children to another World before they set the Date for our Destruction.... this is unless the Engineers already had other Worlds with Humans.... and so Yeah.. there was WAYS that they could have taken us to a Far Far away World with Humans and other Races living in Harmony with the Engineers... with Dr Shaw turning up and her Faith what could that do to the other Humanoids and surely David would rock the boat especially if he feels a Outcast... just a God Dam Robot etc

[@theuniversewithin2065]

The most confusing part about Covenant is why TF it was made in the first place.

[@OneVerySadPanda]

Lol

[@cardinalcar]

I think of it as a bridge movie. It’s just expanding lore

[@bobmcbobson8368]

Glad to see you still exist

[@GF51811]

I really want David's arc continue , It's interesting plot and the expand the Alien Universe.

[@King_Dusty_Of_Pookytopia]

They were not the "Engineers" that David committed genocide against.