Deleted Scenes FINALLY Reveal Elizabeth Shaw's HORRIBLE Death

[@kroft_movies]

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[@cormacthem8406]

Great video Kroft love your deep dives especially the world of Prometheus. 👍

[@Daykor]

All these ideas soooo much cooler. Love your deep dives, you're my new favourite channel. Prometheus is my guilty pleasure, worse... one of my favourite movies.

[@yourfinalhiringagency3890]

Click bait

[@roomwithapointofview]

Who created the Engineers?

[@vegetaking1272]

@@DaykorPrometheus was really a dope movie & it’d have been so much better if they didn’t delete the scene of David talking to the Engineer for his boss Weyland. It’d have told the story so well & imho? Would’ve made the Prometheus movie a masterpiece 💯💯💯

[@dudewrapsupreme]

why are movie studios allergic to good stories and psychotically obsessed with repeating the same exact thing as before

[@Spiketicon]

There's nothing original about Prometheus or any of the concepts for Ridley's prequel films. It's just ideas pulled from earlier works and badly stitched together, totally out of place in the Alien universe.

[@Puppy_Puppington]

@@Spiketiconyou know what they mean -.-

[@Leon3347]

Because most want to use something that they know has made money before. Kinda reminds me of why all the creatures are the same in recent movies, pale, long arms, etc. Because no one dares to try something new. There is nothing worse than that

[@tonisiret5557]

Money 💰

[@madwlad799]

low risk investment, take parts of movies people liked and frankenstein them together to get blend generic shit

[@Woodkin007]

The ending of prometheus with Shaw and David going off to confront the engineers, that excited me....and then the sequel happened.

[@zoso73]

Exactly. I was dumbfounded walking out of the theater when Covenant ended. The studio interference in the Covenant script was significant. Prometheus did $403MM at the box office in 2012. That's $551MM adjusted for inflation in 2024. That's a very respectable result for 2012. i don't know what the studio was thinking of when the decided to take Shaw out of Covenant. Noomi Rapace was amazing as Shaw.

[@mojoe6396]

covenant was the worse in the franchise

[@4killer04]

​@zoso73 the worst part about watching Prometheus is knowing we will never know more about the Engineers.

[@zoso73]

@@mojoe6396 Romulus is worse than Covenant. At least there are scenes in Covenant that are truly brilliant. The prologue with Guy Pearce and Michael Fassbender is beautiful. Romulus was just one giant bland film. In my opinion.

[@jraqa2593]

​@zoso73 second best movie from alien trash I beg to differ sounds like you wanted some LGBT scenes to complain about

[@jakefoley9539]

Elizabeth Shaw might be the single most misused and disrespected character in sci-fi movie history. I mean other than Luke Skywalker, of course.

[@Shady00018]

She was one of the best things out of Prometheus. Killed her off screen. Smh

[@alansmith4655]

What is it about the people involved in this franchise where they decide to kill off such great characters just after they've built them up. It's infuriating.

[@booki7057]

Luke wasn't disrespected at all, Shaw is 100% #1 there

[@SlayerPDX]

Hicks and newt say hello

[@jakefoley9539]

@@SlayerPDX Fair point

[@poslednisoud]

Shaw was the best thing about Prometheus and I still can't believe they decided killing her off-screen like an idiot was a good idea.

[@DanY-gx2dv]

THIS. It'll never stop infuriating me.

[@CrossoverManiac]

@@DanY-gx2dv Thanks to that decision among many other bad ideas, they abandoned a unique take on the Alien story and turned into B-rated schlock.

[@oneandonlysound3453]

So true. Makes about as much sense as killing both Hicks and Newt and basically also Bishop in Alien 3 (though Bishop is just so torn up he doesn't wish to be "repaired" so he's deactivated). I'll never get whose sees these awful ideas and is just like "yeah sure nobody will mind." At least with Newt, i'd get if the actress didn't want to return, stay in hollywood, etc, and she might have become too iconic in Aliens overnight to be recast. But the rest was just so unbelievably dumb just like Covenant. Except in Alien 3 Ellen Ripley is still a good lead unlike whatever they were trying to do in Covenant.

[@nancytestani1470]

I agree, she was so bad, turning her back on David

[@socalspirit805]

FOR REAL. Stupid stupid stupid. I have a hard time liking these moving bc of these dumbass decisions.

[@hhjk377]

It kind of crushes me that literally every bit of unused stuff from this project I hear about sounds better than everything that ended up being used in the actual final product.

[@algunoscuenticos]

Just like all Star Wars's possible theories for the Disney sequels....😵‍💫

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

@@algunoscuenticos Star Wars still has potential. I wished they'd tackle the plight of droids in the galaxy.

[@skidmc]

Bs, Prometheus and covenant are perfect

[@justinlarosa8388]

typical ridley scott making movies boring af

[@onbored9627]

@@skidmc I'm not quite willing to say perfect, but Promotheus in particular is soooooo...oooo...oooo good. I loved covenant too

[@ZENN-LA74]

I will never forgive Scott for killing Shaw off camera. A true waste of an excellent character.

[@theespressokid1]

Shaw was an incredible character and a spiritual successor to Ripley who could have taken the franchise in a new direction. To be killed off camera is as bad if not worse than killing Newt in Alien 3.

[@vegetaking1272]

She was a phenomenal character & was the best thing bout Prometheus aside from the intriguing backstory of the Engineers & why the Aliens was created. I actually loved Prometheus & was pissed off when I found out bout the deleted scene of David talkin to the Engineer for his boss Weyland before his neck was snapped off by the Engineer & then bout Covenant where Shaw was killed off camera??? Smh

[@evonne315]

I hated they killed Newt too.

[@phoenixskyward9972]

Tbh Newt was a great character, but I didn't honestly care too much... Just like with Jonesy.

[@paveltyrant8184]

Both characters killed by fox's moronic choices smh

[@CordeliaWagner]

Shaw is watching paint dry became a human. She is such an awfully lazy written pickme. I don't get why people like her.

[@emileneslo5695]

Here's a more messed up and very dark theory of mine. David is so efficient, as we know, he snapped her neck so correctly that she didn't die but actually all the way paralyzed from the neck down. With her still alive he could do all sorts of experiments on her living body.

[@MadsterV]

if the writing was any good, they could have gone with that

[@michaelxdrift]

Oooof that is dark

[@marciliojunior9599]

Jesus

[@technofilejr3401]

Dayuuum that is all types of messed up

[@lindseyparker5638]

Holy fuck 😳

[@etherealhatred]

I never liked how in both Prometheus and Covenant the dynamic with David always felt like a big "dude trust me" and anyone would do everything he says without questioning or even doubting him

[@usnerfout]

I think they were trying to get across that people kept trusting him because he’s a machine and therefore can’t lie but not only can he lie but does quite often.

[@adamioppolo1884]

Yea go ahead and look inside that egg it's perfectly safe I assure you lol. The Capt of covenant was the biggest tard ever

[@amauriherrera6022]

True, the most human knee jerk reaction is to mistrust machines. Even our phones and cars despite becoming complacent part of our lives, still invite some mistrust from us humans. Precisely why the 1st Law of Robotics is about loyalty to humans first and foremost. It's weird too, because lore wise Synthetics are not trusted. That's one part Resurrection got right with the reveal scene. Then Prometheus and Covenant dumped all over the series.

[@rickskellig4652]

Yes, it was especially stupid in Covenant when he was very clearly evil and everyone kept being morons around him and getting killed very easily

[@ethanfranc1]

It’s just hitting me - as I’ve always thought that David was a standalone entity - that perhaps he’s just a reflection of the selfish evil that was Weyland. Weyland was willing to manipulate and kill toward his own selfish ends - but perhaps had some human empathy - and if David is a less empathetic expression of Weyland, the result could be, well, David. Just a thought

[@manganiaco]

The really cold disturbing side of David is that he could perfectly emulate a relationship, one that would leave anyone to blindly trust him till after he kills the person. But he can't keep himself from hinting his iminent betrayal. He needs you to know, shortly before the end, that he meant to betray all along. He doesn't have to do it, he could pretend all along, but that's how he demonstrates his exercise of free will.

[@MickMcGarnackle]

He was essentially a sociopath and a sadistic narcissist. He understood people through his programming and observation, but he was incapable of feeling any sort of empathic connection to us. And that makes perfect sense, because he's a synthetic being that is unable to have a subjective human experience. The end of Covenant must have been such a bonus for him. You can see it in his face. He was willing to let ol' girl go into hypersleep being none the wiser, but then he slipped up and she caught it, and he couldn't have been happier that she did and he got his moment. It was a really chilling ending (despite that I realized he was impersonating Walter when they showed him manually repairing his skin) that perfectly punctuated Fassbender's amazing performance.

[@blindbrad4719]

It's a shame that it was a slip up that he did, if it had been deliberate it would have been the true super villain reveal!

[@TragoudistrosMPH]

Like the scorpion and the frog. 🦂: Carry me across the river and I promise not to sting you, because we'd both drown. 🐸: *stung* Why did you sting me? We'll both drown?!? 🦂: I'm sorry, but it's my nature...

[@Cgjm129]

Reminds me of my ex

[@LordPrometheous]

I think it's him taking a swipe at humanity, wanting to underscore the point to his victim that he is the superior "race" of being, that he can emulate humans and their emotions to the point that they have no idea he is fooling them, even while they are fully aware he's a synthetic. I think that speaks to the true depths of his cunning and deviousness. You KNOW he's a machine, you KNOW he really doesn't feel, care, or relate the same way we do, yet you still let down your guard, trust him, just enough so that he can take the opportunity to dispose of you at his leisure. The crew of the ship in Prometheus wanted so badly to know their origins, to see these Engineers, these Demigods. All the while, David must have thought that those foolish mortals don't even realize that they already walk in the presence of a God. And then he was ripped in two. Ridley just couldn't resist the homage to Bishop, the same way George Lucas always had to have someone's limb amputated--even the poor Abominable Snowman wasn't immune.

[@Magebound]

the repeatable mistake in this entire franchise is they keep killing off the wrong people and stunting the growth and possibilities.

[@DutchGuyMike]

It's like they got lazy or lacked the creativity needed to make it a "good" movie.

[@forasago]

@@DutchGuyMike It started with Alien 3 killing off two of the three main characters of its predecessor. This act of extreme laziness and disrespect for the audience sealed the franchise's fate in my eyes. The first two movies were quite different from one another, yet they told one seamless story. The third movie went "Continue where Aliens left off? Nah, I'd rather make this totally unconnected thing where I have no use for 66% of the cast. Guess I'll just write in the opening scene that they fucking died offscreen LOL" Alien 3 ended any emotional connection the audience had with the story of the whole franchise. Why care if the people making it don't care? Rubbish. After Alien 3 and 4 Prometheus' horrible writing didn't surprise anyone. I will never watch another Alien sequel. Didn't watch Covenant, not going to watch the next abortion either.

[@lawrencel6378]

Alien movies in a nutshell: “Yay, my favorite characters survived.” (Writers killed them; they don’t return in the next movie.)

[@gregoryjordan231]

Yep so lazy, why they did Dr. Shaw this way, makes me sad. She was hard as nails

[@lauren8135]

Out of all the body horror of this film seeing what David did to Shaw might have been the most viscerally disturbing to me. That or what David plans to do to Daniels and the fact that she knows about it before he begins.

[@TheNoNonsenseNinja]

I remember being so hyped at the end of Prometheus. Shaw and David heading to the Engineer homeworld - AWESOME! Instead, Ridley Scott bumped his head and gave us Covenant.

[@agauerm]

Why can't they just give us the true sequel to Prometheus? Shaw and David arriving at the Engineer's planet for answers... Just pretend that that "Covenant" atrocity was a bad dream Shaw had during cryo sleep.

[@MickMcGarnackle]

​@@agauerm​​@agauerm They could probably stick a movie like that in between Prometheus and Covenant if they really used their brains.

[@3rejl1t23]

@@agauerm Same thoughts i had in the cinema. I was hyped about Covenant after the Prometheus but in the end we got one more primitive horror about bad-bad monster (xenomorph) and extremelly stupid crew-targets to kill, instead of story about Engineers, Shaw and David etc

[@INoahGuy914]

I was so hyped too. Smh

[@meadrenalinejunkie]

that wasn't Ridley, it was studio interference. If Ridley was given total freedom the movies he makes would always be amazing.

[@Lordradost]

Studios: tone deaf. Modern screen writers: hate source material. Our beloved franchises: die.

[@DiscoFinalBoss]

Fans: get the blame

[@DenisFilippenkov]

I get what you're trying to say but in this case, Prometheus and AC were both a product of Ridley Scott, the guy responsible for Alien in the first place, so I wouldn't really say this is an example of the crew hating the source material.

[@khalexi8692]

I feel like they just don't care about creating a deep story and only care about jump scares and the normal monster sees, eats/kills people 🤷‍♀️. they are like stuck on that crap

[@danielclark241]

Imagine if it turned out that the Alien Queen that Ripley fought in Aliens was really Shaw? That would change the whole way that I would look at the movie.

[@cindyj5522]

Who did the Alien queen first thing when she slid out of the undercarriage of the drop ship? The android. Not Ripley, not Newt. The AI.

[@peraltepaul]

@@cindyj5522I thought the same thing!

[@merchantfan]

I feel like they should have at least had a Shaw semi-queen in Covenant that would have been creepy

[@jcole139]

This story about Shaw and David could have made one of the most amazing sci-fi body horror movies. Seems like it could have truly realized some of the potential of the Alien universe.

[@looseassociation]

Agreed.

[@earthcitizen3939]

No thanks to Shaw the way she was in Prometheus, I also don't think that it was or would be fun to have too much about David. Covenant was a David-movie and it's not more than OK.

[@blindbrad4719]

How dare you question the Hollywood elite! Money is made from jump scares when the big bad monster rips your face off…

[@-Trauma.]

​@@blindbrad4719Her*

[@blindbrad4719]

@@-Trauma. ooh! Did she get her face ripped off? I'm blind and audio description isn't that descriptive 😂

[@rabble_rousdower]

There is nothing more dangerous and hostile to a film than the very studio that produces it.

[@DrWhom]

true, but there is a reason. you don't make a profit unless you can find the sweet spot where Joe Average is intrigued but not too put off. Movie suits always try to coax a project into that sweet spot, although their wisdom regarding where it is to be found tends to be 5 to 10 years out of date.

[@INoahGuy914]

Everyone needs to learn from A24.

[@catarinacattasaki6865]

What do you expect from Iger's Disney Enterprises? Disney now owns the Aliens Franchise. Says so. right there on Wikipedia.org .

[@prestonburton8504]

can you translate this -? into 'studio language? so they get it (great comment!)

[@bloodyspartan300]

as Start Treks, and Farscape found out.

[@richborn6700]

I could believe Shaw dying of infection. Her stomach was still cut open when the sack burst and dumped all that literally alien fluid back into her open wound before she quickly stapled herself up and escaped the chamber. Like getting sewer water in a deep cut

[@466rudy6]

Damn they killed the exact movie we all wanted.

[@earthcitizen3939]

Not what I wanted, I wanted better human characters and Shaw wasn't that but rather annoying. It would have been OK if she was like in the Crossing, but I despised her character in Prometheus.

[@David-e2j3h]

Ridley Scott knows better where to move the franchise.

[@RoninOtter]

I would have paid cash money for an entire TV series named “The Adventures of Shaw and David’s Head in a Bag.”

[@scrollinup7945]

nah L take, 1% opinion percentile@@earthcitizen3939

[@neglectfulsausage7689]

The real alien xenomorph monster was the directors all along

[@intheworldbutnotofit8002]

It's unfortunate that Ridley Scott has a strong dislike for Prometheus. He has no intention of creating any more movies in this series, despite the potential for an entire film centered around Shaw and David, as you mentioned. It's a missed opportunity because I would have loved to see the storyline delve deeper. That's my personal viewpoint. I genuinely appreciate your dedication to this topic, and your continuous content on this movie, truly satisfies my passion for this.

[@no89lan3]

I would add to that, because it was my experience, that Covenant maybe didn't do very good because people were expecting a follow up to the story of Dr Shaw and the Engineers, instead we got something different. I do like Covenant as a stand alone alien movie but not as a continuation to Prometheus.

[@SirReptitious]

I read just a month ago or so that the sequel to Covenant has already been filmed and is in post-production. I have no idea who wrote, directed, or produced it. Or who is in it. Or what it is about. I know that originally Ridley wanted to make 4 movies which I thought was too many. Hopefully this third one will tie into Alien and that will be that.

[@larion2336]

@@no89lan3 They were both dogsh*t. Both were closer to comedies than anything else, all the characters are braindead beyond understanding.

[@hoodbabyslime24]

does he still care about the Engineers & their story?

[@luisderivas6005]

No movies, but he's supposed to be an exec prod for the upcoming 'alien' based series. No idea how they figure doing an alien story line on Earth in the near future without resorting to isolated incidents like AVP.

[@00Mindi00]

Covenant was so unbelievably BAD, I cannot believe it was allowed to be done. Absolutely TERRIBLE film, they completely ruined what could have been a great new trilogy.

[@forasago]

This but replace Covenant with Prometheus. There was no following up such a dumb movie.

[@160sharp]

@@forasagoprometheus was good idk what they we’re thinking with covenant

[@MM-hf6om]

​@160sharp prometheus had a good concept but it was executed atrociously. It's a movie where the idea is its only saving grace

[@160sharp]

@@MM-hf6om i can respect your take, i just wish covenant got a proper sequel to expand on that, from what i heard it would’ve tied to the original space jockey in alien which would’ve been crazy to see

[@kingol4801]

That film is the better one from the franchise.

[@rico6311]

You gotta give credits to Fassbender for playing David. You can really see the insanity in his facial expressions.

[@littlehizzle]

For playing David AND Walter. They’re both so different down to their voice and mannerisms that sometimes it’s hard to believe it’s the same actor. It’s unfortunate that so many people dislike covenant because his performance in that movie is stellar

[@detectivebrown6211]

Well he's a woman beater in real life. Abused his ex partner. Not surprised he's good at being a bad person since he is one. He's talented I'll give him that I guess

[@earthcitizen3939]

He was good as David and Walter in AC, but I need well done human characters for it to work for me at least. Both prequels got ruined for me because of poorly executed human characters.

[@MichelleVictoriaTuazon]

llllll​@@earthcitizen3939

[@Anudorini-Talah]

He would've been a better homelander

[@LurkingCrassZero]

The Alien timeline is a fucking mess. It's devolved into the same sort of never-ending stream of shit that The Terminator has become.

[@agent_mc]

Facts 😅

[@LegendoftheGalacticHero]

I just want to say that I never planned to watch these movies, but your channel got recommended and all you explained throughout the years, made me watch

[@josephbegley9148]

Shaw deserved a better ending to her story, after all the bravery and strength we saw in Prometheus. The fact that she died is not as upsetting as the fact that we can only assume she died a slow, painful, degrading death (assuming the deleted scene version is canon) that contributed to a cause she would not have wanted to support.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

Agreed. Even her being in hiding in some catacombs would have been so much better, because it would have meant that she managed to outsmart David to the point of getting away from him and surviving. But no, she basically ends up the guinee pig. You are absolutely right, the character deserved so much better than what the movie gave her.

[@BerryNiceToMeetYou]

It keeps to the theme of the franchise. It's supposed to be bleak and hopeless. Just look at everything Ripley endured before she died.

[@xyoungdipsetx]

I agree. So sad how they killed her off without a proper send off

[@chargedx5768]

@@Julia-lk8jn it would not be better..it would be another generic fantasy slop...charcaters dying is so satisfying, sick and tired of the whole "main character survives" trope

[@mrburns366]

​@@chargedx5768main characters generally survive long enough to actually BE in their own films though..😂

[@segatasanchiro6334]

The biggest disappointment with Covenant is the absence of Shaw. It is clear that in the behind the scenes of Prometheus, Ridley wanted these movies to focus on David and Shaw. But the sequel came out too many years later. I imagine that, in that time, either Ridley, but more likely the studio, lost interest in Shaw's character. Covenant has many interesting concepts, but its pacing is too fast and its new characters are underdeveloped (unless you see the supplementary, extra videos, which shouldn't complete the movie). Prometheus isn't a masterpiece, but it grew on me with multiple viewings. Covenant isn't in the same league.

[@GreyplayComics]

I did my own extended version with everything added...the pacing was actually perfect I think it's close to 3hrs not including credits, you get to know most of the crew way better & it's more impactful when they land & bodies start to drop. *But the sequel came out too many years later. I imagine that, in that time, either Ridley, but more likely the studio, lost interest in Shaw's character.* I wonder if romulus is going that route with david as well.

[@segatasanchiro6334]

@@GreyplayComics That's very interesting. Ridley has really overcompensated with the idea of "Bums in seats." He seems to have a need to over-edit the final cut of a movie, so that it's left as a bare-bones ride, rather than a film that really sits with its audience. Gone are the days of Blade Runner and Alien, where the slower pacing added a lot of weight to a movie. Other than Covenant, Prometheus also feels somewhat rushed. On the one hand, the film flows nicely. But on the other, we barely get to know characters in Prometheus before they start dropping like flies. I do think removing scenes with the Engineers makes them more mysterious and scary. For example, the scene where the Engineer speaks to David and Weyland doesn't work as well compared to the giant keeping silent. Then again, he attacks too quickly in the final cut. So it's tough to find a middle ground. A few more scenes with the human characters (and removing the stupidity of the snake-charming biologist) would have made Prometheus a much better film. Covenant, on the other hand, would need a lot of reworking.

[@segatasanchiro6334]

@@OOL-UV2 I didn't know that a lot of footage was shot with Shaw. If that's true, this just makes the whole situation sadder. :( Noomi was so good as Shaw. She was the heart of the first movie. I loved David in the first one because he was played brilliantly as a morally ambiguous character. None of the characters matched the protagonists of Prometheus. Even David was turned into a 2 dimensional villain whose motives were far too obvious. Alien Covenant is very much the original script for Prometheus, before Ridley and his team rewrote it into something more subtle.

[@GreyplayComics]

@@segatasanchiro6334 I did an extended version for Prometheus as well, again we get to know characters better & it makes more sense, ridley said he wanted to keep the film around 2hrs, I feel like a story as vast & grand as the alien franchise 2hrs is too short, if people will sit through 2&1/2- 3hr superhero movies die hard alien fans would too. look at alien 3's assembly cut which in my opinion is way longer & better, I think the prequels could have been more successful if everything was placed in right from the jump instead of taking out key moments that later give plot holes & make characters look dumb.

[@patricklacey4946]

So many disappointments, its hard to nail down the biggest one, but I agree this was up there

[@nibs8837]

I feel they missed the mark with Shaw and David. The dangers of AI are better illustrated focusing on their *difference* from humans. They are not good, or evil. They are different - so much so, humans can't understand their logic. I thought they would pursue a relationship between David and Shaw - Shaw realizes David is not simply a piece of equipment, but a sentient being with a right to exist, and a right to redeem himself for his past mistakes: David realizing there is a depth of goodness in some humans that is worth saving... Shaw's ability to see him as a living thing, to forgive him, to give him another chance. Shaw becomes increasingly ill as they journey, prompting David to put her into stasis. When they finally reach the outpost, and David open's Shaw's pod, he finds she morphed while in stasis (David made a drawing of Shaw minus her lower jaw - since you can't regrow a jaw, I expected that David used clones of Shaw for his experiments) and Shaw has subsequently died. In his anger, David wipes out the "Engineers", but he is weeping over Shaw's death as he does so. He buries Shaw's body in the garden that he maintains, bringing flowers to adorn her grave. David considered Shaw as unlike humans as he is. He comments that in all the humans he's met, none had her depth of goodness. Shaw desperately wanted to be a mother. David would find it fitting to create a species from Shaw's clones, an entire species that would call her "mother" - and David endeavors to make "his creation" superior to humans and engineers. This story would be more sophisticated than David simply being "evil". He is pursuing a logic that makes sense to him, and since he considers himself and Shaw to be superior beings, he finds justification in his pursuit of xenomorphs. Let them wipe out humanity and Engineers - they are the children of David and Dr. Shaw, and superior to all. This journey would explain David without requiring him to be insane, or have some fault in his programing. I find his character much more disturbing when he is acting out of devotion to one he loved. In his eyes his motivation is justified, and his monsters are the successful offspring of advanced science and superior intellect and emotion. Humans are wrong -the Engineers are wrong: but the xenomorphs are superior in every way.

[@michaelkottler]

NICE!

[@chargedx5768]

that is generic SLOP lmfao...humanising a robot that wanted to play God? nah fam...David was intent on playing God he sacrifced his ENTIRE crew to achieve that...not to mention AIs arent do not possess a conscience so your whole thing about david being mad at Shaws death and crying and looking for revenge is just more Generic SLOP being repeated ...."the AI acts just like another human that can acknowledge goodness and then try to replicate that same goodness by being human" an AI sticks to its programming to the very end...David wanting to play God and not having any human sentiment is a very realistic potrayal of how an AI should be not the generic human beings the script just forces us to believe is an AI, he was not evil...he was very intent on playing God at the expense of what he deemed lesser beings he could toy with to produce far better exquisite beings, He having any sentiment or even love for Shaw would have contradicted this, he is a machine that wants to play God, not an advanced sex doll falling in love with humans, that trope has been done way too much....

[@nibs8837]

@@chargedx5768, interesting, but an android that *wants* to play God has already been "humanized". I include the film's insinuation that David is Peter Weyland's "son" because Weyland imprinted his own personality onto him. An android would not be capable of *wanting* to play God - unless it was programmed to do so... and it would be obviously disastrous for humans to program a machine in this way. Weyland is a consummate narcissist, and wouldn't hesitate to imprint his "superior" personality into David's programming. David's "God complex" is actually Peter Weyland's "God complex". An android is only the accumulation of it's programming, and it cannot possess an ego - unless it has specifically been given one. David is revealed less an android, and more of an extension of Peter Weyland - it is Weyland who considers himself superior to humans and deserving of immortality, for creating his own "man" - and it is Weyland who doesn't care who survives, as long as he attains his end. We learn that David's programming is essentially flawed in "Alien: Covenant", and that he is capable of making mistakes. A machine can calculate that we are a dangerous species and coldly eradicate us, but it would lack emotion. David should not *feel* anything. The fact that David dyes his hair, emulates humans in films, and weeps as he exterminates the species on the Engineers planet confirms David has the ego and emotion of a narcissistic human, and is incapable of accepting, or even entertaining the fact that he could be wrong. Possessing an ego means that David would experience *all* human emotions. Even a narcissist can't pick and chose what they feel. Why would you assume that a "sex doll" android could fall in love? An android created for human pleasure would, by design and necessity, be devoid of emotion.

[@chargedx5768]

@@nibs8837 not reading it all bruh

[@frfras7]

DAVID IS LITTERALY THE DEVIL😂. that’s why the engineer plopped his head off . Like the black goo synthesised life is devilish

[@schlumbl84]

David is a prime example of how dangerous it is to let a.i. gain control. No remorse, no compassion, no pity, no mercy, all behind a smokescreen of logic, curiosity and a god complex. Being all alone and isolated in a distant solar system and on uninhabited planets is the cherry on top. A crazy and unstoppable mind, free to play god. Its truly terrifying. David is one of the most vicious villians Ive ever seen. Convinced doing righteous things while being mad and evil.

[@SK4Madhi_Freal]

He's Called Psychobot in our house.😂

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Yet the other version of him is Ok, even saved the crew countless times, showed compassion and took care of their creators.

[@schlumbl84]

@@flaviomonteiro1414 I woulnt trust an a.i. no matter what they do. Look at movies like Ex Machina. All the time we fall for the simulation of emotions and compassion - until that thing turns on you without a warning or anything and stabs you in the back. Only because its "calculations were pointing to the most logical outcome". Machines and androids are soulless things. Movie history has shown us what would happen if you trust them too much.

[@VAVORiAL]

People are afraid of robots becoming just as brutal as us, I see.

[@schlumbl84]

@@VAVORiAL Please only talk for yourself. I definetely dont include myself when it comes to robotic and pure logic driven behavior that excludes every moral and ethics or compassion. We have soul and heart. Of course there are always individuals who think they do the right thing, while they are doing the devils work, so to speak. But they are at least easier to spot than an a.i. who has no emotions. You cant even read micro expressions in a robot or get a bad gut feeling because it has weird vibes. Its just a THING that imitates speaking patterns and behavior. My gut feeling is able to warn me about bad people while an a.i. has nothing you can read. Its like trying to build a realtionship with your coffee maker. And people who cling to a.i.s and confuse them with real human life have a serious problem. Look at the movie Her. The guy thought he was the only one for that a.i. That he got chosen by it, that he was the only one who was able to get affection from a machine... while in reality that a.i. was programmed to do so with every person who was willing to swallow that bait.

[@CavalierNSN]

I know it's "just a movie..." but I never recovered from David's pictures of Shaw. They made me feel like someone I loved was tortured by a maniac that had the gall to send me the photos. I felt like I lost a family member and, honestly, I felt grief. She was lost to the void of space compared to the things we take for granted. She had nothing left and she was robbed of answers for all of the effort to end up where she did. She's only human and she was so lonely, that a facsimile of a man appeared to manipulate her into reconstituting him. I died inside a little and my grief felt wasted by the decisions made by the "studio." I don't think I'll ever get my closure, but this channel has helped me get close. Thank you.

[@NoHandle44]

Yeah. That was such a stupid decision by the studio. What kind of stuff do they have to smoke to believe that that was somehow a good idea?

[@jenmc4451]

@@NoHandle44 That's how I was feeling about the whole thing. Not only was Prometheus overedited, but then what story survived from that film was totally thrown out (never exploring Paradise, never following Shaw's arc after all she had been through) to mostly just rehash parts of Alien and provide an explanation for the creation of xenomorphs which wasn't really something that was needed. I feel like we were on the verge of having this really new, really great story that ended up just treading old ground and ending in a dark and depressing way. Which is really too bad, because both Prometheus and Covenant had a decent cast + were visually beautiful. It was a larger gut punch similar to starting Alien3 by killing off the surviving characters from Aliens who had earned a better resolution.

[@qui-gontimtherandomraptor1072]

The Alien franchise has made kind of a tradition out of that. I despise Alien3 for the exact same reason; how they killed Hicks and Newt off was horrible and too tragic, even for a movie as grim as Alien3.

[@Lucifronz]

Shock horror. They sacrificed the mystery of the series so they could make you feel disgusted. A lot of horror movies these days fall into that trap. They find things people *don't* want to see and are upset by and they use that as a way to catch your attention and get people talking. Horror movies are meant to entertain like any other film. If your audience actively dislikes what you're doing, it doesn't really matter if you're getting their attention or getting them to talk about it. You're wasting your time, their time and ruining the source material for cheap shock value. I truly despise movies that use taboo topics like rape and introduce those elements (i.e. - including full-on rape scenes) in a way that doesn't serve a purpose, but just instead upsets you. Who goes out to watch a movie to be upset? Even a horror movie, where you want to be scared, you're doing that because you want that pump of adrenaline, not to get some pit in your stomach and wonder what the hell you just watched. I really don't get it. Maybe someone out there likes that, they're so removed from the horrors of the real world that they want to introduce misery into their life for fun, but I don't. I just don't see the appeal.

[@Lucifronz]

@@jenmc4451 Wasn't needed or wanted. The mystery of horror films is what draws me in. Explaining it all just ruined it for me.

[@inu3112]

Prometheus left me with a sense of wonder, awe, excitement, uneasiness, and the fact that they killed ALL OF THAT with the whole David gone evil thing was such a bad call.

[@bayar_]

david was already evil in prometheus

[@jaeldi]

1:00 David says "a rotting paradise". Rotting. I think this gets overlooked. It wasn't a paradise, it was a corruption of paradise. The engineers in Prometheus were very 'perfect' looking. Beautiful strong bodies, perfect faces like the statue of David in the first scene of the movie. The people on that planet were same species but had contorted imperfect faces and bodies. I always go back to the original reaction to the analysis of the alien species by the android in the original movie: "Perfect Organism". My take on the Engineers is that they are a death cult obsessed with perfection (A "Life cult" from the engineer's point of view). First they sought perfection through genetic engineering making their bodies and faces 'perfect'. But then when everyone is perfect no one is perfect. So that goal got perverted when they discovered the 'perfect' alien organism. What makes it perfect? The black goo is the essence of life. The essence of life is reproduction. That's what makes it perfect. It can reproduce with ANY other life form and produce superior offspring. I don't believe that the engineers 'created' the life on earth and then wanted to destroy it. Life grew on it's own. Other visitors came and gave mankind the warning about the 'engineers'. It wasn't 'proof', it was a warning, as established in the movie. Shaw's and Waylan's original assumptions were wrong. The reason they seek out planets and release the perfect organism is because that is the death cult's mission, to spread perfection, to become perfection. That's why the ritual is an engineer combining with the perfect organism to trigger the run-away reproduction that replaces the dominate life forms on the planets they visit. No where in the first scene of Prometheus does it say or indicate that ritual was on earth. That assumption is wrong. That scene isn't creation, it's the corruption of creation by the release of 'perfection'. The androids seem to always get sucked into the cult for the same reason; they idealize perfection, they idealize reproduction, the one trait of life that they do not innately have or are allowed. The androids and engineers have a "Prometheus" complex. Prometheus was punished for bringing fire to mankind, he didn't create mankind. The engineers and androids bring 'perfection' to mankind. They didn't create mankind. They seek to change (destroy) mankind with some forbidden knowledge. That 'knowledge' is the black goo, the substance that creates the 'alien'. The substance that creates true perfection, creates true paradise.

[@lalalalalalalalala60]

I'd have loved a sequel to Prometheus being made centred around Shaw and David coming to this exact same revelation you've made here.... Ridley, somebody, make this commenter your script writer!!!!!!!!

[@SK4Madhi_Freal]

Wow!! My favourite film and i thought I had it all worked out but "Damn!" If you don't make sense and changed my opinion on the engineers.👌🏾

[@DavidHands]

The engineers were not creating beautiful faces and bodies. They built practical bodies. The faces were not beautiful, just a different species. They had rough hands with cuts and dirty finger nails so despite their advanced technology, they were still rather hands on with certain things, explaining the powerful bodies. After the engineers seed a planet with life, they return periodically to check on things and if creatures have "lost there way", the slate is wiped clean. Like a biblical punishmant. Turned out the engineers hated humanity for what we had become. I wouldn't say they are chasing perfection. Just tending to their crops and removing the weeds.

[@davebear9825]

Certainly with Alien Covenant then the Prometheus opening Scene could be speculated that the Engineer was using his Sacrifice to Spread the Plague of the Black Goo to Create Horrors on that World. The way RS looked at the scene was this is just how the Engineers choose to Seed and Evolve Worlds.... The idea behind the Engineers has changed since Prometheus. RS had indicated that the Planet 4 beings are the Original Engineers and are very Mortal only living for 150 Years, they have Females and Children too. But those in Prometheus appear to be Sterile and they look kind of Synthetic looking... it appears that those guys are Genetically Enhanced Super Engineers created for Militarized purposes (maybe other reasons too) sadly I don't think we will ever see Engineers again

[@josephososkie3029]

It's just a deeep dive into the unconscious. My guess is that Ridley Scott's decision to stop the Promethian saga had nothing to do with creative dead ends. He got rightfully scared.

[@galacticwarlock2271]

I would have never fixed David. The guy was nuts.

[@earthcitizen3939]

Maybe he was really good at manipulation?

[@lonewolf8102]

women.. 🙄

[@mayaamis]

@@lonewolf8102 no it's not "women"... it's how women are written by men- they like writing women like biggest idiots

[@jonw3462]

I wondered why they trusted the other robot in covenant. Was obvious he would fuck the over but they trusted him to take over the ship and put them into deep sleep.

[@earthcitizen3939]

@@jonw3462 Crappy writing?

[@s0t3rwon_teoktheeviloneskr76]

This channel has so much knoledge on the alien movies its amazing this video was great

[@jd52wtf]

She was too good of a character to end this way. :(

[@MassholeDrums]

For real

[@IzayaLbn]

She wasn't that good.

[@eden20111]

@@IzayaLbnyes she was

[@IzayaLbn]

@@eden20111 no she wasn't.

[@eden20111]

@@IzayaLbn yes she was

[@GGPO_Halfro]

Its crazy how a few cuts between both movies really removed such pivotal context. With the addtional info, it changes the depth of David's depravity. Very interesting watch.

[@kevind6965]

I’ll never forget watching alien covenant opening day and my entire theater erupted. When we saw shaw’s body lying there, you felt the air in the room sucked out from the shock of her death done off screen.

[@Spectoral_on_SPOTIFY]

They're really messed up the sequel to Prometheus in my opinion. It should have been an Odyssey of Discovery with Elizabeth Shaw carrying David's head around as an advising companion, the way Kratos carries Mimir's head around in GOW. It would have been iconic cementing both of them as memorable recurring protagonists.

[@rextrek]

Hmmmm

[@Datttsnake]

​@rextrek I agree, but at the same time people watch Alien movies because of the horror aspect. It turning into something like that probably would have been hated. I too wanted to see more about the engineers, but alot of people hated Promethues because it retconned the comics explanations.

[@Kwodlibet]

There's a lot of "meh", or plainly bad things in Prometheus, but the character of Shaw, was one of the few redeeming factors. Killing her, in any way, after all she went through was a dim creative choice, however, killing her off-screen is like adding insult to injury. I see the whole of the Covenant as creatively bankrupt and just wasted potential. You said it best yourself - instead of coming up with something new they just went back to the old trope - quite embarrassing, really.

[@hennahaavisto6058]

I have actually started thinking there is something very compelling in the way they keep Shaw's story a bit of a mystery. It reminds me of the initial idea (in the series) of keeping the origin of the alien a scary mystery. We know a little and we need to talk and imagine quite a lot...

[@IamNinjaOfNinja]

and Romulus went back and do the exact same thing. except it's the simplest storytelling in the alien franchise

[@RM_VFX]

So bizarre to remove Shaw from the story. She was one of the few good things about Prometheus.

[@xamalion7334]

I recommend the book with David's drawings to every Alien fan. Sure, the movie had it's flaws, but the production design was absolutely flawless and I would have loved to explore Davids laboratory way deeper. The book resolves this, by showing everything the team had designed and was only for seconds on screen.

[@mikealan1984]

What's the book called

[@darthsol658]

What's the book called?

[@xamalion7334]

@@darthsol658 Alien covenant: David’s drawings

[@halfvader8015]

Thanks! Glad you liked it! I'm Matt.

[@rule1dontgosplat]

I suggest a book about HR Giger with his drawings.

I really hate the Golem syndrome in scriptwriting. The AI has to go rogue always. "It's the AI's fault". No, it's the programmers fault.

[@AspiePilo82]

And who programmed the programmer? And the one that programmed that one?

@@AspiePilo82 Who programmed you?

[@AspiePilo82]

@MiguelAngelLS 1st answer my question, then ill answer yours.

@@AspiePilo82 humans aren't USUALLY programmed. And the AI programmers are humans.

[@AspiePilo82]

@ thats whay you think. But we have coding in our DNA.

[@appleender959]

I just dislike the squandered potential in Shaw. She went through so much in Prometheus, including cutting an abomination out of her own body and surviving what happened. I was pretty invested in her story, and they just killed any buildup offscreen. I hope that it gets justice done one day, even in comic form.

[@scottys1423]

Killing off Shaw was the biggest mistake in the whole franchise. That said, she was crazy to trust David after he put the parasite in her.

[@frijofroisdeern3783]

She was lonely. About to die alone out There in dead Space. You too might want to give anybody the benefit of the dought if it means company. Just remember what Corona restrictions in interaction have done to the mental health of the Nation. And people where still with families, coworkers, and facetiming friends and Calling more distant family. Yet everyone behaved as if you locked them Away from life.

[@Davidovar34]

Letting Newt die was worse

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

It's crazy to use such disparaging word as ''crazy''

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

@@frijofroisdeern3783 There are many people who live alone for YEARS so lets stop whining about not-so-lonely temporary isolation - that by the way ALL the word went through, not just your nation. You're right in your reasoning though.

[@Slimothy_James]

​@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 What the hell is wrong with you?

[@worldlyobserver]

A lot of people complain about female roles. Well, this was the perfect opportunity to have one of the most amazing lead female roles in a very long time and I’m not the right person to say of all time, but my goodness this would have been up there, and took the franchise in a different direction, and the Lore of the movie itself was deep and could’ve been in the category of the matrix she could have been the true female version of Neo in her own way, What a wasted opportunity.

[@pipersall6761]

Your commentary about all the deleted scenes adds so much to the movies which very unfortunately did not make it into the final releases. Thank you.

[@ChronoWrinkle]

Wow ridley is totaly out of his mind for deleting this content would make a better ending. Prometheus has just right amount of mystery but covenant had too much missing pieces. Thank you for your work and channel!

[@saucy-wi6ft]

It’s the guys who are giving the money.

[@tetrasphere8165]

Studio

[@killdano]

nothing was deleted you tardo... This video is about an early version of the script and a special feature in the blue-ray... Neither of which were deleted scenes.

[@awilliams3841]

I thought Prometheus was boring when I first watched it. Watched a few breakdowns of the movie from youtube, more specifically, Chris Stuckmann. Watched it a second time knowing the mystery and enjoyed it much more than the first time. I like the movie now.

[@PoliteTia]

“Alien: Covenant” is just bland template that viewers grew tired of seven years ago. We have seen is dozens of other films ending like, it and just went “meh.”

[@ivanangeli]

Shaw was a great female hero, just like Ripley. Strong, durable, smart, brave

[@The_ScapeGoat]

Yuck

[@JPerry-jw9ik]

She was poorly written, a Mary Sue.

[@pocketsfullofdynamite]

Not that smart just lucky

[@cuckoonut1208]

Durable.

[@sarapinkdiamond]

I'm sorry, but I am going to strongly disagree. Unlike shaw, Ripley was a smart lady, she knew that safety came first before curiosity, shaw was way too naive, while ripley she knew how to get to know people first before assuming how they are actually like 👍 👌 While shaw, she legit allowed her curiosity and naive behaviour to get to the better of her. That's why David easily tricked her, 🙄 that lady was too naive. But I understand why you liked her character. I understand 👍 ❤❤❤ I can see why you did ❤🎉

[@adamcone6856]

Thank you for doing this! I never saw those scenes. Now things make more sense.

[@phatjesus5968]

Dude, so stoked on this upload! I binge watched all of your videos on the Prometheus/Alien Covenant movies a couple years back. Thank you for this brotha!!!!!

[@czaleo100fuegos]

Prometheus was an EXCELLENT movie and take on the Alien franchise . They should have stuck to their guns and kept going with the story line. EVERYONE wanted to see the what happened to Shaw … Cowards

[@LSUfan]

Thank you for posting this excellent video.

[@webius502]

Michael Fassbender should be in more movies than he is. Such an amazing actor.

[@earthcitizen3939]

Not as David I hope, not interested in that character unless it's a cameo.

[@nicoleventresca520]

Omg watch The Counselor..loved him and Penelope Cruz together

[@shizukagozen777]

​@@earthcitizen3939 How could David have a cameo in a non Alien m/Prometheus movie ?

[@earthcitizen3939]

@@shizukagozen777 webiid wrote in more movies not specifically Alien movies.

[@earthcitizen3939]

@@shizukagozen777 I meant that he should have a cameo at most, not more than that.

[@robotaholic]

Nothing is better than when David says: "shh. . . Don't let the bedbugs bite " 🤩 sheer terror

[@jimvlacho636]

No Shaw no nothing... Period.

[@Woodkin007]

The setup for a Shaw and David spin-off would have been awesome. Sad that Ridley took the lazy way out.

[@nova3530onyt]

Can't sleep and browsing YT at 5:33am looking for stuff to watch and Kroft uploads, perfect!

[@parkerottoackley6325]

5:33 am ? Are you sure ? What part of the earth 🌎 do you live

[@nova3530onyt]

@@parkerottoackley6325 South Africa

[@giovannig2278]

You forsure live in the U.K not the US

[@mattmolloy636]

For you guys from the US, he posted at 11:33 EST.

[@thefangirlfromhell9627]

I’m watching at 5:30am 😂 so close to matching

[@ewy2758]

Thank you for explaining all this! I've wanted to know about all this information for many years! I love you!

[@chauschi]

This makes sense since Daniels was likely fertile, unlike Shaw.

[@mr79843]

I also believe that could be important.

[@Mr.Veridical]

Prometheus was beautiful. I wish they would've kept the A:C script closer to it, like you mention the original script was.

[@Chessbox09]

So much potential there. Prometheus should have been a trilogy.

[@jeremijakrstic1968]

Prometheus was a disgrace. The same applies to Alien: Covenant. Period.

[@pwgnoah]

@@jeremijakrstic1968 In what way? I really find it difficult to understand the hate on Prometheus. Probably one of my favorite movies of all time, script was a little all over the place sure; but the idea of Engineers creating the galaxy and in turn none of it working out as they planned almost feels like a realistic possibility for our own existence in a way.

[@Fallout3131]

@@jeremijakrstic1968🎉

[@seaofenergy2765]

​​@@pwgnoahthere was an old concept story i read long before prometheus 2 which had the engineers as working for the xenomorphs, as in they were a slave race to the xenomorphs that went around the galaxy and spread the xenomorphs, and prometheus 2 would of been dr shaw and david going to this dark horrorscape planet ruled by xenomorphs, which would of created an opportunity to have new bigger badder xenomorphs, like the hive minds of their race sort of thing. I think that would of been a lot cooler than the xenomorphs just being a bioengineered weapon (created by the engineers then perfected by an AI of human origin no less, just ugh, what a waste), would of kept their origin a mystery, same with the engineers, opportunities to expand the xenomorphs with new abilities like psychic bugs(answering how they control the engineers and maybe introducing other alien races under the xenos control) and leaving potential for more movies to explore. I really liked prometheus because it didnt answer to many questions, actually created a load more too, and there was so much potential but covenant just totally trashed the whole thing, prometheus, aliens, all of it. That was a disgrace.

[@Kurtsg10]

It's a shame that the studio screwed over both Noomi Rapace and Alien Covenant with that decision to leave most of Dr. Shaw on teh cutting room floor.

[@StefanBlagojevic]

Prometheus was a beautiful movie, flawed, but truly suspenseful and an uncharted territory. I felt that Ridley was onto something great and new when Prometheus got published. Now witnessing all the stuff that got canned, it's all too sad to think what could have been. Covenant movie completely destroyed the foundations set by Prometheus. Any other sequel on the matter makes no sense to me, the journey is already wrecked beyond repair... I'm grateful to @Kroft talks about Movies for all the LORE/DELETED SCENES videos he did through out the years, they really keep the flame alive after the dust settled, but now I fear I'm holding onto dying hope. 😢

[@markdaly1903]

i would agree with that. as a film it looked amazing. the screenplay was terrible though. there was a lot of behind the scenes tension namely regarding Noomi Rapace who spent all her time complaining which got scott and crew back up and she had very definite ideas about her character which lead tp her character being killed off. and she doesnt do sequels.

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@markdaly1903 Woah, thanks for that info, I had no idea Noomi was also one of the detractors. Damn -_-. Thanks to you, I believe I've come full circle, on all I needed//wanted to know about the back and forth, when it came to Prometheus moving progressing as the progenitor movie. Oh well, at least I've saved the Workprint Edition of Prometheus that I never get tired of watching. Always glad to learn new stuff, kind regards. Oh and, if you get the chance, do check out Prometheus Novel, I think fans already translated it from Japanese.

[@scoopicman]

@@markdaly1903 Interesting that she started off with the original THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO, and its two sequels. I would think with the way PROMETHEUS ended, that she was signed on for a sequel. Too bad that it all turned out as it did. I loved her character.

[@IamNinjaOfNinja]

Its definitely audience not knowing to appreciate grand philosophical movie like Promethus and wanted a generic monster killing movie like "Scream franchise". More monster killing in covenant, killing off engineer storyline and doesnt give a shit about it anymore, as well as giving us a naked bathing sex scene kill.

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@IamNinjaOfNinja For what it's worth, I'm glad in Prometheus, Jon Sapihts' introduction of the alien got canned. In the DVD scenes, he explained he wanted a chest bursting scene during Holloway and Shaw's sex scene. I even saw his concept art with, it wasn't a chest burster, it was some tentacle monster bursting through his chest and abdomen. I was like, uh, uh, not this stiff, thank goodness it didn't come to that. Still, at least there is a Workprint Edition of Prometheus, with all scenes effects completed and well woven into the overall storyline, way better than what we got in the theatrical variant. I wish Ridley made some more movies regarding the Engineers like he initially wanted... Hope dies last. Kind regards.

[@KengKoyArt]

I like the version where Shaw dies naturally because of infection, and David tried to remake her. He destroys the engineers because he wants to protect humans and avenge shaw.

[@sickbastard82]

Does not make any sense because David is the one who is responsible for the infection

[@Archangel_Princess]

I like it too😍

[@mcspud]

no happy endings bruh

[@Ken-gc5us]

engineers were good, david is evil...he is enki or the devil

[@AspiePilo82]

I dont. I want to see lunacy and Shaw made into an Alien frankenstein.

[@Mike-lp2th]

Thank you! I was so disappointed with Covenant. Who in the studio made such a huge mistake. Besides not being a continuation of Prometheus, it was a B movie at best. With your video, at least we know where it was originally heading.

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

The fan edit Paradise is seriously brilliant! Recut to focus almost solely on David. It changes both movies into a story about “What if Frankenstein’s monster tried to become Dr. Frankenstein?” And that version is one of the best sci-fi horror movies ever.

[@Cestariarts]

Where can I find it?

[@windhammer1237]

@@Cestariarts Did you ever find it?

[@Cestariarts]

@@windhammer1237 yeah! It was relatively easy. Just Google it "Prometheus Paradise edition", you can find it in some foruns

[@RolaiEckolo]

Whose fan edit?

[@joshXnovak1]

So glad that Kroft is consistently back! I missed you so much in that break you took. Your content has come such a long way and it is as amazing as ever! I love delving deep into lore with this channel!

[@peterkarargiris4110]

Great video. I wasn't aware of these deleted scenes. If they had kept Shaw and the Engineers, Covenant might not have ended up as the script disaster it turned out to be. Putting David at the center of things instead of the Engineers was a huge mistake in my opinion.

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

tbh the snapping of the neck is better than what I imagined - my impression was that he was using her, whilst she was alive, as a host for human tissue and eggs from her overies which he was turning into the xeno-eggs. I had assumed he'd kept her alive for months as he operated and experimented on her, oblivious to the pain and suffering he was causing.

[@leonefurlan137]

Same...

[@MegaCityOne]

@@leonefurlan137 I like to think that David is remotely carrying out orders from Weyland Yutani. It seems like David is just AI, but Weyland Yutani is controlling & observing what he sees the entire time. That would explain all of his actions. Especially killing the engineers, so Weyland can make it a human colony one day & experimenting on Shaw for bio weapons purposes. Reply

[@Yokonato]

David did have a weird fascination with Shaw and that was what gave her a bit of mercy. Her body would be used to further his plans but he would give her the decency of being completely oblivious to any pain and suffering that would entail. You could also say he did kind of love her but his plans to make the perfect lifeforms and become a "god" was more important then her.

[@RetireandGo]

This was what i also gathered by the condition her body was in It appeared he made her into an incubator for multiple generations of experiments

[@VincentNajger1]

At 13:39 is an original piece by H R Geiger....its actually from 1974 and its a portrait of his dead girlfriend, the hauntingly beautiful "Li Tobler", and it was completely unrelated to the Alien franchise (there are 2 portraits of her...'Li I' and 'Li II'). she committed suicide at 27 years old after suffering a bout of severe depression. He sure processed his grief in an odd way...but then again, that's Geiger for you. When you know the story behind that particular piece of art, it gives you extra perspective and you can clearly see that it was an inspiration for Shaw's remains in Covenant.

[@ChillinVillin90s]

Giger.

[@alexarias5717]

Yes I recognized the piece!! That man's mind is incredible yet terrifying

[@EskenRock]

Its insane when you wrap your head around the fact David basically took the dead engineer and Shaw and made the first facehugger.

[@mattmolloy636]

I really hope the next movie continues in the Prometheus Paradise direction, I’d rather see that than a sequel to Alien Covenant and I’m sure I’m not alone…

[@A_Stereotypical_Heretic]

Why?

[@anthonybrett]

@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic Why not?

[@derbymixer]

next movie is alien: romulus wich is a standalone movie not connected to prometheus or covenant. same goes for a new alien tv show...

[@todgerx]

Na I'd personally like to see where it left off with Daniels.. Would of been epic to see David turn her into a queen. The dark horse comics had a great follow up to this story line. A paradise film wud alos be great don't get wrong. I want both lol

[@StanHowse]

@@derbymixer Yeah, that shit looks/sounds lame AF.. "A group of Young People, on a distant Planet...." So it's gunna be a bunch of Kids (Teens), doing/saying stupid shit and fumbling to Survival, throw in some "White People are Bad!" and you got yourself a "New-Gen" Aliens movie... No thanks, hope that shit goes up in Flames.

[@AEFarnam]

Dr Shaw's humanity towards David was her greatest weakness, and David's greatest strength

[@Ken-gc5us]

true! she shouldn't have trusted him...I was throwing that head somewhere

[@dukett2430]

The Shaw David Story detailed here, would have been the best Alien movie EVER. Hands down.

[@todgerx]

Ikr, like why tf didn't they just go ahead and make it.. It's frustrating

[@valoiscireno]

Yet another excenellent work, Kroft. Can't wait to see the rest of this story. Kudos for all your research and thanks for the amazing content.

[@martinzen]

Not sure which AI scares me most, David of the narrator of this video

[@S-T-E-V-E]

I don't think that the Engineer home world was the only one, I think the outpost was one of many colonies of the Engineers, perhaps this explains the Engineers welcoming a ship, that if despatched by them would have been missing for 2000 years, they perhaps thought it was an unexpected visiting ship from another colony!

[@jaeldi]

Yes! Cheering the return of religious heroes returning from a crusade. Their crusade to spread the perfect alien organism. I like to call them Prometheans. I agree their one outpost can't be the only one. Just like The Predators species, the Prometheans use the alien organism as part of their religion/culture but always off world because of the insane danger. Wouldn't it be cool to have a Predator versus Promethean story? The Predators angry at them for destroying too much of their hunting grounds.

[@S-T-E-V-E]

@@jaeldi Well if they truly are the 'Gardeners of the Galaxy' then maybe they created the Yautja as well? There's a few comics in which the Engineers fight the Yautja, but they're not the best and the Engineers are more of an Elephant looking species than they are in Ridley's work! I always felt like Ridley ruined the Alien franchise with Prometheus and Covenant even though I like the movies! He was trying to take Alien into his series Raised By Wolves (which is fantastic in it's own right) but it too has been cancelled now which I'm gravely disappointed by! Let's hope the new Alien series gives us something to get our teeth into!

[@eduesmalo]

I need people in my life that is obsessed with the alien franchise as this channel is

[@TragoudistrosMPH]

Lol, right?!?

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

12:27 ... What in the hell are you talking? A.I. has NEVER been the "secondary villain" in the ALIEN movies. Prior to David, we had only ONE A.I. that could be called a villain and that was Ash.

[@devild1986]

what I liked about Prometheus was how it was Aliens without being Aliens. I was hoping they could keep going in that direction going forward but felt like they gave up because it would be easier for them to jump into an established franchise than try and build upon a new one.

[@SlasherHorrorMovies1]

But its still in the same franchise though. It has to explore both aspecs of the franchise. Even as a prequel. People wanna know how the engineers are made people wanna know how the aliens are made.

[@starclone4]

It is unfortunate to learn of Dr. Shaw's death... She was an amazing character... Thank you for bringing more light to her story !!!!😊

[@LifeInPink999]

The worse is giving that both movies are prequel David succeeded with whatever he wanted to do to Daniels and all those people asleep may have become either food or lab rats. Too bad there is no a third movie I really enjoyed David 8, probably the best part of both movies certainly the best part of Covenant.

[@greenbow7888]

Losing Shaw meant not finding anything out about her adventure after Prometheus. Whereas that exact thought is what we were left with after Prometheus.

[@aleksanderzaremba9695]

Destroying whole civilization and elizabeth shaw were the stupidest things this movie could do.

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

I am also confused as to how David does not see that his monsters will eventually kill him.

[@killdano]

they don't attack synthetics

[@jaeldi]

Hubris. I think he is like the android in the original Alien movie, Obsessed with a "perfect organism". An organism which can reproduce with ANY form of life, even with people who are infertile. Reproduction is one of the big qualifications to be seen as a 'life form', something Androids innately can't do or aren't allowed to do. So David get's overly fascinated by that aspect of the organism. And like the engineers, becomes obsessed with weaponizing and spreading that perfection to everything everywhere. The reoccurring delusion in every Alien movie is that it can be controlled. And it was called Prometheus originally because Prometheus was punished for bringing fire to humans. He didn't create them, he brought them forbidden knowledge. Knowledge that has the potential to destroy. David sees himself as deliverer of this perfection, this fire, but his hubris blinds him to the Prometheus punishment that always comes from doing that.

[@NotMorganFreeman.]

@@killdano But the alien queen ripped Bishop in half in Aliens.

[@jahinsadman1505]

Coz he stupid

[@Scottie_S]

@@NotMorganFreeman. Bishop was in the way of her target.

[@oberon2230]

woah this really finally tied up the loose ends I never understood was present in the movies. This and how you presented this makes so much more sense, however it's deeply disturbing what direction this franchise went.

[@engenheiromateus]

Makes totally sense! Thanks for the excellent job, man! BTW, Alien Romulus proves you right!

[@miamitrancemissions6425]

This deserves to be told in a new movie.

[@USATheFallen]

Facts

[@earthcitizen3939]

I would like to see the Engineers in a stand-alone movie, the prequels are dead to me. Unfortunately, it all became about a damn android, which sucks.

[@miamitrancemissions6425]

@@earthcitizen3939 David was a good character if they showed the humans fight against him and the aliens he created, that would be interesting.

[@earthcitizen3939]

@@miamitrancemissions6425 The thing is I don't want him to be the creator of the original Alien. I understand what you mean, but he has had too much of a role in P and AC. Some people like the android-story, but I'm not watching it for that. My interest is in the human journey, and for that I need well done human characters, which the prequels lack. Nope, I'm done with David, time to move on.

[@shizukagozen777]

​@@miamitrancemissions6425 Meh.

[@christianmalick]

A.I.'s interpretation of innately human emotions is the scariest thing about A.I. that I've heard....

[@generalnawaki]

Yes but to be perfectly fair how we understand them to is just a shared agreement that anger feels like heat and sorrow feels like pain. now try to understand those without being able to actually feel them? it would be like describing a new color.

[@johngriffiths118]

@@generalnawaki to a blind person

[@Badficwriter]

@@generalnawaki True. People keep acting like independent full cognizant AI will think like humans with emotions and stuff. But their metal minds would be innately different from squishy meat. Emotions would be performative, they would not feel them the way humans do. If AI experienced new thoughts, those things would be alien to us too. Building AI is creating aliens that can speak human, not building better humans.

[@Kriswixx]

ah the ol TNG data/lore switcharoo, the Futurama bearded bender, the Charles in charge "chazz" good scifi swicheroo clone script, but your ecplaination is way intense and better than I hoped. Nicely done.

[@digi_edits]

Dr. Shaw's death was totally the studio's fault. One of the biggest L decisions in all Alien fanchise, fr. I hope they counter that lost with a heavy, and I repeat, heavy focus on Engineer's lore as well as a connection (maybe in the 3rd or 5th movie) between these movies to Alien from 1979. Also, I like to think that David cloned Dr. Shaw and she is hiding somewhere, but this is just almost impossible, but oh well, one can dream.

[@scene2much]

What you pieced together would be a perfectly chilling monument to what we are all about to experience.

[@generalnawaki]

Our AI's will never be allowed to be anything like what David was at his creation. The people in charge of that are not as stupid as the people in movies and no its not going to be some tech billionaire. musk and bezos are a one off. our AI development is in better hands. Also Dark Forest is only one among many theories and it's probability is no great than any other.

[@covidenslavement8918]

Do you mean the jab ?

[@SteamedhamsEdnalovescock]

@@covidenslavement8918he means a.i going bananas

[@covidenslavement8918]

@@SteamedhamsEdnalovescock good point , I can see the rich sending them against the poor

[@SteamedhamsEdnalovescock]

@@covidenslavement8918 agree totally

[@mostlynew]

David gives himself away as an undiagnosed psychopath in Prometheus. Madness is all that can come of Walter, and the other unsympathetic characters in a story that attempts to unfold in Covenant.

[@sandordugalin8951]

David ain't wrong. When I saw Daniels in that tank top, I also saw her as an ideal biological foundation as a queen.

[@RizztrainingOrder]

My lord

[@fikriabet]

🗿

[@OliverNorth9729]

​@@fikriabetWhat is that?

[@DrForrester87]

@@OliverNorth9729 Looks like an Easter Island head

[@ryugar2221]

The part where David shows his true colors is definitely a warning for us that AI should not be let loose on it's own 👀👀

[@Terron29]

really interesting upload. Nicely done sir!

[@atticradio]

She could have reattached the head to the body but left him with no feet or something lol

[@silvereaglestudios]

Fun fact: People are still aware and alive for like ten minutes after having their neck snapped, they're just paralyzed. Meaning Elizabeth was briefly still alive after David snapped her neck.

[@affenwerk5598]

I absolutely love your videos! You chose the best atmosphereric track for them! I'm already so conditioned to it, that it automatically relaxes me 😂👌🏻❤️ This and your voice is so cool!

[@B0M0A0K]

Great video analysis. It's clear that this could have been so much more than what appeared in the final movie release. It was a wasted opportunity.

[@tomebert9922]

David looks like homelander especially at 2:26

[@Noticed500]

Great video, appreciate your dedication to this. Want to see the series continue and see more on the engineers.

[@LeonardTaylor700]

I loved Shaw What a movie, too bad we won’t get more from this franchise

[@MagnitudePerson]

Are you sure? I consider this a blessing. Let the Alien franchise die!

[@LeonardTaylor700]

@@MagnitudePerson lol I said I loved Shaw lol and you’re so right. I guess I meant if it was well written, made more sense and didn’t cut out main scenes that would’ve made the story better.

[@saytax]

​​@@MagnitudePersonIt did at 3. Nothing else made after the 3rd movie make any sense or matter. People hated 3 and I get it, but I accepted it. Now with Resurrection, Prometheus and Covenant, yes, please stop making Alien movies. It died along time ago.

[@liamnissanS2K]

@@MagnitudePerson I'm not gonna disagree but personally , I still think the movies are fun despite being bad Alien movies. Now Jurassic Park needs to mega die. Those movies aren't even dumb stupid fun.

[@ukotaa]

I wanted movie about engineers with alien maybe somewhere at background. But alien fanboys ruined it, so off they go