KSP 2: Base on the Surface of JOOL!

[@johannesenjigglejogg9010]

Imagine if the Kerbals were wrong and Jool was just a giant rock with too much cloud cover to see the surface

[@CGTNC]

:O

[@ahmed4363]

i mean, that is the case in real life except its not a rock but solid metal (that still counts as a rock, right?)

[@gamesforgames1727]

​@@ahmed4363it's small enough tho so I think it would make sense

[@MattLowne]

fun fact: Jool is approximately the same size as Earth

[@davidmcgill1000]

@@ahmed4363 except it's liquid and metallic hydrogen in real life. Not exactly survivable.

[@AnKyleosaurus]

"I love building bases, but maybe it's because I'm British."😂😂😂😂😂

[@SpaceWizardus47]

It’s in his dna

[@xbuildksp]

we making outta the british empire with this one 🗿🍷🔥

[@SuperLuminalMan]

Mr.SamuelStreamer vibes fr

[@trotsky084]

Nowadays they move away from colonizing continents to colonizing planets! The Interplanetary British Empire shall arise!

[@tonik2229]

the compulsive colonisation 🦅

[@oasntet]

My theory for Jool having a surface is that they got it for free with the planet-sim code and it's good enough for now. They do seem to be avoiding doing unnecessary work (e.g. optimizing code now when that code's just going to be thrown out later) so implementing a kill radius might be counter to a feature they're considering / testing, like actually simulating pressure... Those two reasons are probably also why buoyancy is so janky; the buoyancy system in KSP 1 is kinda a simplistic hack, but a full pressure and displacement sim is a lot of work.

[@ahmed4363]

i think that they want your crafts to blow up on the atmosphere so you'll probably never see the surface when thermals are added

[@Magistratiss]

Gas giants are theorized to have a 'surface' of liquid metallic hydrogen however the pressures at this point is simply uninhabitable

[@-SpaceNewsNow-]

There’s no re-entry heat in ksp2 because your PC re-enters instead of your craft

[@MichaelWerts-d3q]

underrated FIRST REPLY!!!!!!!!!

[@SpartanDude_325]

Fr

[@SamanthaLaurier]

The line about being British and therefore genetically predisposed to colonizing gave me an idea for a video or even series. Trying to build at least one colony on each landmass (islands included) on KSP1 (because colony mods and performance in career mode

[@PTNLemay]

Would be fun if we can establish new launch facilities anywhere on the planet.

[@josephblomstrand6348]

@@PTNLemaythere are mods for tgat

[@zachbowles4516]

You created the Sun Station, you launched the Giant's Deep. Are you going to make an Orbital Probe Cannon next?

[@adora_was_taken]

Maybe after he builds the Moho Project

[@irodragon7184]

Has he played that game yet?

[@arandomcommenter412]

@@irodragon7184what game

[@irodragon7184]

@@arandomcommenter412 outer wilds. Great amazing game. Don't Google anything on it if you haven't played it

[@zachbowles4516]

@@arandomcommenter412 Outer Wilds. I highly recommend picking it up if youve never heard of it

[@hedge11]

Matt's got the urge to colonize in his genes

[@FergusGalatian]

"brief period where there's no thermals after release" lol

[@Fummy007]

lol. lmao even

[@kaz49]

I'm pretty sure there was a glitch in KSP1 that let you place aircraft underneath a planet's surface, I think Stratenblitz did a video on that, and I wonder if that's also possible in KSP2 and how it'd look different

[@Sling_07]

video idea: a lander with wheels on the side so when it lands, it can tip over and become a rover.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

You then have the problem of an unbalanced space craft if there's a bunch of large wheels on just one side, causing the craft to not fly stright.

[@gearandalthefirst7027]

@@Edax_Royeaux Offset the engines, like for space shuttles.

[@SpaceCircIes]

I've done this for a mun rover in ksp1. I used gimbal engines and rcs thrusters to counter the lack of balance, and a giant fairing for the aerodynamics. It was kinda cool because the craft would automatically lean to the side and kinda launch itself into orbit

[@eekee6034]

I made a roving base with rockets underneath. It had different control points for spaceflight and orbital flight. It was pretty good, but hard to balance.

[@fish-champ]

Surprised KSP2 is still in such an odd state. I’m hoping it gets better soon though!

[@radnelac]

I've been hoping for a very long time. One of the only games I'm upset about buying. There isn't an excuse for the sad state it's in.

[@Zacharysharkhazard]

@@radnelacit is *early* access. never claimed to have the full game available, ya didn’t have to buy it. they told us exactly what we’d get with early access, they’ve been super transparent, so idk what you’re upset about rly

[@oasntet]

@@radnelac The "excuse," not that an excuse is needed, is that this is probably the most complex space sim project ever undertaken. There's not much out there to compare it to, not even KSP 1. As for being upset about buying it, that's on you. Nobody misrepresented the state of the game, and you even had the opportunity to try it and refund it if you are unhappy with it or can't run it.

[@Smoberto]

@@oasntet ksp1 is better in every way

[@eoghanley]

@@Zacharysharkhazard « early access » is no excuse after 5 years of development, 3 delays and less content than the original. Yes they have a roadmap of what would be available when, but the state of the game’s bugs is abnormal.

[@MinerBat]

14:05 actually second largest after titan. also another thing you can do is dive down into the vall canyon, since it makes you fall straight to the core and shoots you out at interstellar velocity

[@mactherebellionleader5394]

actually not in terms of size. Yes titan has an atmosphere that makes it appear bigger but in reality its solid body is 75 mile shorter in diameter

[@MattLowne]

False, Ganymede is the largest and most massive natural satellite in the Solar System

[@frndrmn]

Titan was believed to be bigger until the Voyager 1 probe proved that the larger apparent size was simply the atmosphere, back in 1980.

[@FEDERAL_BEREAU_OF_INVESTIGATIO]

​@mactherebellionleader5394 moons with atmospheres just doesn't feel right for some reason, yet again, laythe exists,

[@csljr1]

Suggestion for a mission that couldn't be done in KSP1/KSP2 once finished: (Assuming your frame-rate would let you film it, of course) Rescue the kerbals you just landed on Jool - they currently have no escape system, and with the extreme gravity of Jool a rocket to successfully land and retrieve them would need to be huge (most likely substantially bigger than an Eve lander I'd guess)

[@Bobwillstareatyouforever]

I just realized that when the kerbals were on jool, there faces were sad for some reason (probably due to extreme gravity and they can barely stand up)

[@Hex_Fox]

Jools surface is probably a temporary requirement for the game. Given that all other planets have a surface it was probably hard coded that the planet requires a surface in order to be properly simulated. As such they gave Jool a temporary placeholder surface to avoid potential errors when doing planetary simulation. Also could be a placeholder for what will be the death plane. Just a guess though. I do hope they do more with gas giants eventually allowing you to build super rigid probes to decend super deep into the atmosphere where the only light you can briefly see is that of lightning storms or maybey the molten core.

[@TescoValueMemes369]

I'd like to see you attempt a Jool surface launch to orbit. Maybe with a floating launch pad?

[@FEDERAL_BEREAU_OF_INVESTIGATIO]

You know things are bad on kerbin when matt has to send kerbals to a gas giant 💀

[@Streaky100001]

Mission idea. Have you ever tried simulating the Lunar Escape System (LESS) concept? The idea was to give the astronauts on the lunar surface of way of getting back to the orbiting command module should the Lunar ascent module fail to function. I believe they were thinking about extended stays on the moon, and were concerned that after sitting idle for an extended period the lunar module may develop faults that would prevent it's safe operation. The concept was for a very simple, lightweight system that could be packed into the Lunar Module, and brought out and assembled if needed. As I understand it, it was basically a couple of chairs ontop of a bit of a truss frame, with a small amount of fuel storage and a rocket underneath. (Ok, stating it was underneath might be redundant..... you're hardly going to put it ONTOP of the astronauts you're trying to save....) There was to be minimal instrumentation, as far as I can tell basically an attitude ball and a clock, and no autopilot or anything. The exact details vary, as there were a number of designs submitted, the simplest of them had no means of control, other than by the pilots literally shifting their weight, but most had at least some means of control, either by gimballing the rocket nozzle, or RCS or something. As far as navigation goes, they knew they had to try to maintain a specific heading, which was achieved by land marks on the moon, and they'd have a pitch program, so X minutes and Y seconds after takeoff, hold this pitch angle on the attitude ball, Z, minutes and T seconds hold this attitude, etc etc, at a a specific time, shut the engine off entirely. If they followed this exactly, they should theoretically have ended up getting an orbit that would rendezvous them with the command module. Of course, this wouldn't be very precise, so they also had a VHF beacon, so the CM could locate them, and adjust it's orbit, within it's fuel budget at least, to rendezvous with them. Would be cool to see you try something like this, specifically launching from the Mun with limited instrumentation, and being able to make the rendezvous happen with a limited fuel budget in the orbiting stage too. If you want an added challenge, add a time limit, the LESS concept called for the astronauts to use their spacesuits for life-support, so they would have had 4hrs total to rendezvous with the command module before they ran out of O2.

[@eekee6034]

Oh, so KSP minimalists didn't invent space chairs. This is so wild! :D

[@Streaky100001]

@@eekee6034 I mean, NASA never actually built them, they just ended up with a bunch of concept designs around the idea floating around. At least one of the concepts though didn't even involve a chair, the astronauts would just stand on the thing!!

[@eekee6034]

@@Streaky100001 Just stand? Wow! But anyway, I like concepts because I grew up with more concepts than actual missions, plus I'm a dreamer too. :)

[@Streaky100001]

@@eekee6034 yeah just stand. That's the one they'd steer literally by leaning. Concepts are cool to see all the craziness someone thought was a good idea lol

[@SzásaTabasov]

Cool Outer Wilds references! The name of the vessel and the song that played while landing

[@pixel_chip0]

i love how this implies matt has in fact played outer wilds but has sworn the oath of secrecy that comes with playing it so hes dropping hints until we pick up on it

[@ScibbieGames]

Nice song choice for the touchdown, its a good game :)

[@John_Gillman]

6:30 gave the same energy as "me when- when i- when- when your mom- when i- me when your mom- me when-"

[@Avetho]

Maybe that darker layer is all dense gases and the sheer air pressure and gravity would make it nearly undergo deposition? So technically it would feel like ice, you'd need paddles and you'd sink a little way into the surface as the extra weight of you and your vehicles would cause the gas to depose just underneath and it would slide about like if water under you in a lake here on Earth was freezing immediately, allowing you to just barely balance upright mostly out of the water and the moment you take a step, the other foot would sink a bit deeper as more water spontaneously becomes ice to keep you up until your other foot comes down and some ice melts from the other foot while water freezes under the foot you just put down. That'd be trippy as hell but very cool.

[@LordOOTFD]

Considering Jool's higher surface gravity, a land speed record there could get pretty impressive compared to Kerbin

[@omegaink716]

Jool solid surface is actualy scientifically correct, but but not so large in diameter + in a fluid state.

[@Jeb_Redacted]

21:19 THE GIANTS DEEP MUSIC IS TOO GOOD

[@TheLilram2100]

I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of seeing a Kerbal hit the griddy 💀

[@Cosmonnor_]

Now we need a Blunderbirds episode to rescue the Kerbals from Jool due to issues with their colony using an SSTO or something crazy.

[@JoeKSP]

Matt talking about stuff with ksp2 content in the backround.

[@Nomenius1]

Oooh, another youtuber who does love build base.

[@JLAvey]

Just like Last and First Men, except it's Neptune that had a solid surface deep into the atmosphere.

[@nenekbot]

Matt, i had an interesting thought that you might like as a topic for one of the following videos. I saw how the Kerbals inside this station suffer from high pressure, and in general a very unfavorable environment for habitation. Maybe it's time for the famous Blunderbirds rescue mission? Imagine what kind of rocket you should build to leave this gas giant. I think it will be a good test of your creative and engineering thinking.

[@deshaqaun]

I have been watching your vids since 2021 and you’ve inspired me to download hundreds of mods on ckan and create interplanetary vessels and stuff you the best ksp KZbinr 🙏🙏

[@TylerTheSwimDude4387]

0:34 Has to be the best joke Matt has ever told! 😂😂😂

[@judet2992]

New hidden boss unlocked: *Jool return mission*

[@sparklygames71]

I like that instead of fixing the game and making it run right theyre just ignoring all the issues

[@randomtexanguy9563]

same bro

[@braysniper58]

I was watching this on my phone, decided to wait to go on my laptop because I wanted to say I was thinking about you while flying over the UK (I hope that isn't creepy Matt I'm just a fan hah) but when I started typing this YOU SAID THERES A SPACE MEETING IN GERMANY OMG MATT IM IN GERMANY (trying to get a job! if I get that job and don't need an emergency flight home I will go there that sounds amazing!) Meeting you would be great, but anything space themed I feel **buzzing**

[@new_simsons]

We need an update

[@Jura55icpark0ur]

“Brief period before heat gets added” mate I’ve started college since the game dropped

[@unbelievablecontentforall64]

You've got a station close to the sun, now land on the sun

[@stalinistpotato4329]

Watching this at work

[@JEBADIAHKERMAN69]

Lol

[@CubeAtlantic]

That base is dead-on nice lookin' & massive.

[@flukier1329]

I found your channel because of your video about wobbly rockets and I absolutely love it! Strangely enough that same video convinced me to buy KSP2, I wanted to trust the process

[@Noobaryaa]

Wait a sec who told you that trains in germany are good? Every fifth train here is late or gets cancelled last minute- If you have to switch trains anywhere you should search an alternative train before you have to switch in case the train you're switching to gets cancelled. I hope it doesn't happen to you but you should be prepared. Also near Speyer there's a second tech museum in Sinsheim, I recommend planning a day extra to check that out too. They have lots of cool vehicles and planes there including the Concorde (really cool supersonic airliner built by the British Aircraft Corporation/British Aerospace and the french Sud Aviation/Aérospatiale).

[@nahf4m]

I have been commenting in the discord about the one body until needed physics thing harvester mentioned. Hopefully someone will look into it

[@digitalunity]

"I love building Kerbal colonies" Yeah that's a fun thing to do "Maybe it's because I'm British and genetically predisposed to do so" *OH.*

[@ZappDragonOG]

Lets go! Cant wait for this game to get better!

[@circuitgamer7759]

Mission idea: Rescue mission for the kerbals you just stranded in a location that they'll be crushed at some point. Would have to land on and take off from Jool's surface, which sounds quite challenging, but also very fun to watch.

[@solsystem1342]

I don't think stock parts have the delta V for a flight from Jool's surface to orbit and, even if they did you'd still have to deal with atmospheric drag which would kill any launch attempt.

[@hennemmc5021]

You know you can just go back to ksp 1 for the time until ksp 2 does better

[@YiQiSupremacist]

I think it'd be really cool if they kept the surface of the Gas Giants, maybe it could be the hardest challenge in the game, having to survive the insane presssure and tempurature

[@fish-champ]

I’d rather have cloud cities. It’s kind of just plain unrealistic, and the KSP style seems to be going with realistic planets with unrealistic colours

[@YiQiSupremacist]

@@fish-champ that would also be cool, maybe both? although they should place the surface really low though

[@fish-champ]

@@YiQiSupremacist having the surface that low would mean you’d get crushed to featureless flakes of metal before you ever saw solid ground

[@braysniper58]

What would be a great addition to KSP 2 especially since they're adding colonies: having a solid core layer (for "tougher" things probably just probes and science related) and another layer(s) of different density where you can mess around with ballasts/habitats to create really interesting/neat habitats for this quite extreme environment! Imagine the views for those fellow storm hunters O.O Ooooo and making submarines; like Matt's submarines and boats (I didn't even think that was possible in KSP 1)

[@GradientOGames]

KSP2 devs want physics to be actually be simulated and not faked, which is why they are using joints and not combining parts into a single rocket mesh. They could just make the joints rigid and add animation, or increase the strength of the spring/hinge joints; though that would create more lag. The only real solution would be Unity's DOTS system.

[@R0bobb1e]

It's probably there so you can mine/harvest the resources in the atmosphere... ;) Happy days Mr Matt!

[@justtheflagguy727]

You should do N1 mun rocket again

[@Gob998]

Dudes making colonys without colonys

[@SteamCraftOfficial]

its really funny because I watch your videos at night when my eye protection is on so I see you make a hot pink and mint green rocket and wonder why you did that until I realise that its meant to be blue and orange lol

[@h.w.6563]

I think you could do some great land seed record attempts there. Nice flat ground, high gravity so any vehicle would be more likely to stick to the ground...

[@chuasoonbu4264]

The thing is that here is a mod for ksp1 (after kerbin) that is the ksp system 5 bil years later, the thing is that jool in that mod has oceans and land and a thinner atmosphere

[@iarnodaems4575]

Hey Matt, I think I’ve got you a next mission idea to try in KSP 1: build an airplane inside of a spaceplane that is deployed out of a space station orbiting Laythe.

[@jonathanyomamathan2089]

now make one on the sun

[@MrMarcelA380]

Ohhhh that's cool, I just was in Speyer for the science fictions days. Perfect location for a space event 😊

[@jeb156]

I have faith in KSP 2. I hope it works out.

[@roboandrew1]

Matts tryingto calm his starship fish and wildlife anxiety

[@FrequentFlyer815]

Ive got a vacation coming up for the weekend of the 21st, I might actually get to see you while Im there!

[@dieseljester]

I can't wait for the actual Colonies expansion to get here!

[@solsystem1342]

If there's some way to survive it'd be really cool to to have a liquid metalic ocean under the clouds. Little bit more sci fi than reality but I think that's fine for games to take liberty with where you can go. Then, it's be really cool to have a dispersed core in some game (rather than a solid core gas giants might have their silicate and metal cores disolved into the ocean around them.

[@valmine7507]

you should make a jool base that goes over the clouds that would be epic

[@therealquade]

and then it turns out, they make jool have a solid surface deliberately, and hide stuff in that dense atmosphere

[@ShtopoRrr]

Just play KSP1 on your old PC when you are waiting for KLP(Kerbal Lag program)2 and we'll have two KSP videos instead of just one, and the other one will be more interesting :) BTW Idea for The Blunderbirds: Rescue someone from Laythe, BUT there is NO oxidizer on Kerbin! single launch, mining is of course possible but dont mine oxidizer:) I've tried this but didnt succeed so far, it's close to limits of what can be possible

[@dawolfmaplays5997]

I hesitate to think about what will happen to those poor kerbals when jool gets fixed

[@TheTobeyGaming]

Oh you are in Speyer? Than you can enjoy the Buran on display there 👀 Very cool museum, i definitly have to go there again at some point!

[@G-Cole-01]

With KSP 1, I had to go use a bug with fairings to get a spacecraft with launch clamps over to Jool to make a Joolian surface base, and still had to use the cheat menu to make sure it didn't explode during that. I guess the KSP2 developers decided to optimize that idea a bit.

[@littlegamer136]

in kerbal space program 2 they pretty much turned jool the gas giant into jool the recreation of venus

[@antypasandreas8435]

Matt, please for the love of God. As much as I appreciate these KSP2 videos, there is no way you actually enjoy this. I would much rather see you do something in KP1 with USI if you want to do a colonization themed video. Heck, you even have mods that add real hab rings. There is a lot you can do that would be far more interesting for you, and even for me personally, in KSP1. You don't have to torture yourself with these KSP2 videos. KSP2 really isn't at all where it needs to be at to be a good co-worker in the content creator space (to put it lightly). I say bench it until it's recent steam rating goes above 70% (it's currently sitting nice at 36%...........).

[@KerboRos]

Hi Matt! I have an idea for you. A geostatonary space station set up somewhere like Kerbin or Jool, like a little pit-stop or something.

[@vosechu]

I’d love to see you do an interstellar mission! I know there aren’t other systems, but maybe there’s more space out there than in ksp 1?

[@Habs2802]

Challenge: Land a Kerbal on Eve with a Rocket and get him back with the same Rocket.

[@Madnessnunky]

Most ask "what" Jool is and question it's composition and origins, but Matt goes beyond... 24:00 WHY is Jool? Why are any of the planets? Why are we??? The existential crises continue.

[@deadlydonuts6666]

Honestly, the rover looks alot like a mao from Mass Effect, i think its super cool.

[@theclipsposter]

You need to do the bop and pol bases there’s no way you haven’t done they yet.

[@FLATLINECG]

Imagine at the time of making this there was science mode. I bet the game would be soooooo confused on how you are still alive lmaoo. Knowing ksp2 your computer would probably explode trying to comprehend what’s going on.

[@Lp-gn5hx]

Clearly, someone told them there were spices to be found on Jool

[@quasitonality3887]

No heating mechanics hmmmmm..... wait, is it possible to land on the Sun right now????

[@SuperJeb98]

I had been showing my dad this game and he wanted to have the ksp 1 music and that was weirdly nastolgic thing to hear over ksp2

[@corvisian4267]

Outersteller travel by flying through the sun to catapult yourself outside its sphere of influence.

[@Link2edition]

Now that they added heat, all the stuff I landed on Jool in previous versions exploded.

[@SomebodywithaYouTubeaccount]

I wonder if it’ll be possible to make a space gun launcher in KSP2, where you can shoot satellites into orbit with a massive accelerator cannon. Probably not, because most simulators are built on rocket-only structures, programs, and science

[@eekee6034]

I'm British, but I was schooled in the 80s and they taught us to be ashamed we ever did anything so _uncouth_ as colonization! Then again, this may have been just my school overreacting to the scandal of one of the teachers trying to get students into the National Front. Anyway, I also grew up with Star Trek so I was always going to love colonies that didn't hurt anyone. :p

[@pradeepavenkat7651]

Hard challenge: land at jool and and return back to kerbin. This would be hard because of the gravity but would be a interesting to see

[@MarcWeavers]

you have to rescue them before they add thermals to the game :)

[@olliejobson6371]

For those who didn’t know (myself included) all gas giants have a solid core. They just have a lot of gas.

[@randomtexanguy9563]

would be tough to reach the solid core because of said gas (immense pressure and also immense gravity) (also said solid core is likely to be hotter or hot as the surface of the sun if you reach the last layer of it so yeah)

[@fiveoneecho]

I'm not sure why the game would simulate everything since that's literally the only purpose of using conic patches. Vessels not being acted upon by anything other than gravity should switch to being on rails on their conic section. Maybe they are simulating resources like electric charge and stuff like that?

[@Damian-cilr2]

Too bad that the ksp 2 is dead now also does jool still have a surface in the last version of this game can anyone confirm that?

[@TNTNT20]

It does still have a surface but no craft cannsurvive the heat/pressure. So you will blow up long before reaching it.

[@drake52]

I could be wrong but I think that at some point in the past ksp1 jool did have a surface.

[@aquila13]

I will be at the Space Creator Day. Excited to hopefully meet you there

[@Seeraphyn]

One mission that is possible now but shouldn't be is phasing through the terrain to get to the black hole at the center of a planet.

[@Minercraft409]

Maybe try building a base on the sun not around it

[@yetkinkaracal3346]

You have to make a plane that has the ability to fly at the lowest possible speed and bring it to Jool

[@taozhou4758]

i cant even go to duna its running away from me its like playing tag 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@Kontro_7]

I wish jool had a surface like Jupiter or Saturn but its really small and has a really thick atmosphere. It might be a bit hard to land though.

[@pikatheminecrafter]

KSP2's Jool looks to have a liquid hydrogen metal surface, which is interesting.

[@LemniscateBiscuit]

Stratzenblitz75 moment.