KTM 790 Adventure R | Windshield Woes - Fix for Buffeting?

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[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Hey thanks for the shout out!! ....and glad it wasn't just me that suffered that wind buffet.....nice vid!

[@BigRockMoto]

Buffeting is really bad on the bike... the worst thing about it. Love your channel. I think we both love the big GS too.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

@@BigRockMoto Sure do!

[@jahyoda]

Ditch the Stock Mirrors...massive improvement on the wind buffering....CRG Arrow Mirrors from Rottweiler Performance

[@tatmandu1722]

MRA Xcreen , been using one for 10 years or so and it’s been on five different bikes. It’s still like brand new! Get one.

[@briansture4353]

The screen is there to stop windchill and slow air approaching on the rider. This creates a partial vacuum behind the screen with higher pressure at the front. These two differential pressures increase with riding speed. When the two differential pressures mix they often don't mix smoothly. The way to reduce this effect is to feed a volume of air at a slower speed behind the screen reducing low pressure. Some bikes have quite a gap between the bottom of the screen and the fairing to allow airflow up and under the screen to reduce this effect producing smoother air mixing between high and low-pressure air. Subsequently reducing buffeting. Acceptance of some moving air behind the screen is inevitable unless you have a massive screen and ride in a partial vacuum. This will often increase wind pressure on your back as the air at the rear tries to close the partial vacuum producing rear buffeting. Tip. If you have one of these add-on top-of-the-screen deflectors. Place the deflector edge onto your eye vision You may be surprised at the result. If this works for you. Make a coffee sit down and work out why it works.

[@snorman1911]

Some people have suggested drilling holes in the bottom of the windscreen to allow some air to flow through to the back of it. Have you tried that? I'm trying to fix some buffeting on an 06 Vstrom and I was going to try that next.

[@wdmore]

I own a 2020 790R. I just bought the windshield that goes on the regular 790 and it works great. It is just tall enough to fix the problem.

[@billminer9186]

I’m 5’10” and ride mostly street with my 790 (non -R) and am finally fairly happy with the Madstad setup AND an MRA Xscreen installed on the 20” screen. I have the MRA a little lower than specified in instructions (drilled the screen) and ride slower speeds with the MRA positioned way down and higher speeds with it raised. I get best results with the Madstad tilt in the middle position and almost as low as it will go in the brackets. I think the small frontal area of the bike contributes to buffeting and given the shape of the Madstad screen, lower seems to be better.

[@Nexus-6]

I'm currently deciding on my next bike, either a Teneré 700 or a KTM Adventure 890R. I know they both have buffeting issues. I got an MRA X-Creen Sport Add-On Variable Windscreen Spoiler Blade for my last two bikes, a VStrom 1000 and a 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900. It fixed the buffeting issues on both bikes. The MRA spoiler (made in Germany) is well built and won't let go. And you have the option of clamping or bolting it on. Zero regrets. 👍

[@dbigatti]

I had the same problem. Bought the Puig clip-on and it made a huge difference. Pricey, but very durable for highway and rough off-road.

[@tvmotocrazy5178]

what size of puig did you put on?

[@ericjacobsen3912]

Hey Ian, I bought the same little spoiler from Amazon and thought the same as you, that this thing is not going to last and what the hell it’s cheap. I’m here to tell you it was a huge improvement over stock and has endured lots or trips and rugged off road. I can’t believe this thing is hanging in there and I’m not a fan of the way it works but if it’s not broken…. Still waiting for a viable alternative with out breaking the bank!

[@nicolasroy273]

I have a 790 adv R just like yours, the Touratech spoiler is pretty good and sturdy. It totally changed my life on the highway.

[@brianhanasyk7324]

I added the Puig spoiler to my 790R. Same as that but much sturdier. Like you I was surprised by how much benefit I got from such a small screen. The only drawback is that it was quite expensive and took forever to get it from a major internet seller.

[@mancavemoto]

I tried it with the windshield removed and just having the little flyscreen housing around the headlight. It works really well, no buffeting and good on hot days. Enjoying your content, just subbed

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks after your comment I tried that, very quiet, but lots of bugs

[@mancavemoto]

@@BigRockMoto yes thats the downside. A few people have suggested removing the lower wind deflectors makes a big difference too, so I'm going to try that

[@luckylarrikin1439]

I'm glad you have shown us a LOW COST option to try.

[@BigRockMoto]

stay tuned for the next video - Puig Touring windshield - much better

[@vasiltop]

Hi this windshield is very good.I have v strom 2019 and I don't have wind buffering.When the weather is very hot this is no problem.I think this motorcycle Is not for big speed.When you go with more from 140 km/h with rally hai fender you have tankslap. Be careful. Thise ktm is the beast for off road,not for crusing with big speed. Greatings from Sofia Bulgaria.

[@rkortes]

What the heck... Why not give this $35 fix a try? I ordered one and am curious to see how it will work on my 690. Looking forward to getting 890r next year, so hopefully this will help narrow down some wind solutions. Thanks as usual for your videos!

[@alvarosolis7837]

Touratech an Puig have some good quality wind deflectors. I’m getting the Touratech for my BMW 850 GS

[@Blazemon9999]

Puig Clip-On Visor. I own one, very solid construction. I've run it on my R1 and Super Duke, and it's held strong at very high speeds. Can't speak to the offroad ability because I have nothing to clip it to on my WR lol.

[@davidpisciotta1552]

I have the same spoiler on my 19 CB500X for 7000 miles and it has transformed my ride. I also have set the same way you do have experimenting all different angles. I have dropped my bike and with the BarkBusters there was no contact to the spoiler. I do recommend a dab of loctite on the allen screws hold them in place!

[@kiwipilot407]

Awesome Stuff Ian. Pick up my new R model tomorrow (tuesday down under). Therefore I watch your reviews with great interest. I have the same deflector from a previous bike that I will try as you have done although I am a couple inches shorter than you. Nevertheless , great content and keep them coming.

[@NiklasAdv]

thats im gonna ditch the S windscreen and my rade garage windscreen, they both makes an annoying as wind noise that makes it really tough riding more than 2 hours on speeds onver 80km/h. gonna try this method! Cheers!

[@AndyPutt1]

This was really intelligently and well presented. Very valuable information for the serious motorcylist. I espeically like the short vs. tall windscreen theory, and the laminar concept. Thankyou

[@hall5348]

I got the same screen but I also removed the plastic winglets under the headlight. That helped a bunch too

[@jeffmenzner9895]

BRM, thanks for the great videos, I have 2 of these, 1 for each bike. It's possible to take it off and stow it for long offroad sections. I've not had a problem leaving it on for most rides though.

[@joelrogers5972]

Stock R screen on the highest position, clip on visor and removed the winglets below the headlight works really well for me. I'm 5'9" btw.

[@jonlough3074]

It is funny how you mention the africa twin. I have been contemplating selling mine be cause I can't get the wind issue figured out. I have been modifying things and 3d printing stuff. I felt like I was getting close but I am at my witts end.

[@verdonrocksphotography3510]

PUIG has similar extension, cool video , thank you!

[@BigRockMoto]

What has been your experience with windshields on the 790 adventure? Let me know down below. We can all learn from each other.

[@drrider1658]

Another helpful vid. I'm OK with the shield in the low position, the air is fairly clean but could still be improved. As you said though, the high position is bad. You'd have to be either really tall or short to run it there. It sounds like the MRA Xcreen is the ticket due to higher quality. I'm also going to pick up a Puig for fall cool weather commuting. Another reported (but expensive) help is to run CRG bar end mirrors to eliminate the vortex coming off the stock mirrors.

[@Simon-pu9qg]

I bought the same screen and the lower cam-lock broke after 15 minutes on the highway. Luckily I was able to fix (and improve) it with some carriage bolts and wing nuts. Would still recommend buying something better quality. I find my screen works best for me fully extended (legs pointing up) and tilted almost vertical. It looks a bit weird but now I can open my visor at highway speeds no problem and hear my bike too!

[@jeffanderson6208]

Most of the buffeting is generated by the stock mirrors test this for yourself by taking your mirrors off and ride it down the road. you'll feel clean air. then go on rottweiler or another site and by decent mirrors for this bike and you will love it.

[@senseipt]

I think everything you said in the video is true. I've owned a 2011 V-strom and now have a 2019. The windscreen situation is worse on the 2019. I've tried four aftermarket windshields and any combination of those with two different e-bay spoilers like the one in your video. I think a very low screen with the spoiler adjusted for the individual rider is the best bet for most people. I'll probably swap to my most massive see-through alternative for late season riding, 99% on road. I live in Norway so it gets kinda cold in autumn.

[@barking.dog.productions1777]

I had a similar problem with a 1500 goldwing. Plus the fairing is so big that the only air you get is heat off the engine. I bought a BMW R1100RT , sold the goldwing, and I never looked back. The buffeting was so bad on the goldwing that you couldn't ride it on the freeway above 50 mph. If I had kept it I would have cut that barn door wind screen in half, and used the Plexiglas to make some winglets to deflect air on the riders. The vacuum pocket behind that mess was so strong that it would blow a wind on your back .

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

Wow all those Gold Wing riders are wrong ?

[@barking.dog.productions1777]

@@ExploringCabinsandMines All that I can do is relate MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Different year models may have different fairing, windshield, etc combinations that give a different ride experience, or I may have had worn bearings contributing to the problems.... I could almost not pass a tractor trailer due to buffeting, and I had near zero fresh air around the huge vertical fairing. I had a KZ1000 that would throw you at the ground under heavy acceleration once due to worn rear swing arm bushings... it was dangerous to floor getting on the freeway ----- does that make the old KZ1000s a POS or was that just my experience with a used bike.... OH WAIT, I just realized that you were not asking a serious question and that you are just a TROLL looking for an argument, go back under your bridge troll! =D

[@FranktheDachshund]

Wind noise on my 1290 Super Adventure S is why I am here. I am going to try swapping my Shoei Hornet for a Neotec II hoping that helps. At 70mph, I don't so much get a noticeable buffet that shakes my helmet, just an unbearable roar, I think it would damage my hearing without ear plugs.

[@boelieatwork1859]

I now have a Shoei Neotec II and a Ktm 790 adventure R. A lot of problems with buffeting at highways. My earlier bike was a ktm 1190 adventure R and had the same problem, even with the high screen on it.... I am thinking of buying another helmet.

[@GeoffBarnard]

You just remove the small fairing winglets on the lower instrument cluster support bars, this stops the buffeting

[@BigRockMoto]

It does help

[@MotoDude1967]

I'm 6'1", I have a 2022 Yamaha Tracer 9, the windshield is awful, lots of buffeting on my head, feels like someone's playing my helmet like a bongo. If I tuck in behind it, it's totally silent, but I can't ride like that. I tried the same solution you did, but the buffeting only got worse, no matter how I adjusted it. I tried rubber spacers under the screen, to lift it about an inch further forward, assuming more wind could get in underneath to even the pressure...noticeable difference, but still some buffeting. I tried the Givi touring screen, it's 2 inches taller...still, lots of buffeting, even worse than stock. I then bought a small no-name $40 windscreen online...it blocks the wind from my body, some buffeting, but it's on my upper chest, my head is in clean air. Not happy, but it'll do. Great bike, but shameful that the windscreen is so bad for taller riders. For comparison, I had a Tiger 850...some wind noise, but no buffeting, totally comfortable.

[@noonez190]

I'm 197cm tall on a 790R, and i drive with a lightweight adventure helmet, i tried with the stock windshield and the windshield of the non R (tall clear) and i found out that with the taller windscreen worst it was the buffeting , and my final setup is something very similar to yours. I'm running with the stock windshield mounted in the upper position and an after marked wind deflector, my deflector has an alluminium clamp and is made pretty well, i found it for 25 +- dollars on aliexpress, if you dont mind the wait (it takes 2/3 months of shipping to me in italy migth be better for you).

[@whatsgoingon71]

I really like your in-depth videos about your experiences so far! I wonder if you will make a video about how you fitted the x-grip mount to the KTM-supplied attachment point above the TFT screen?

[@johnsonevans8616]

Wunderlich Vario ergo part no 20280-001. I’ve put this on 3 bikes. Really well made and plenty of adjustments but it’s not cheap

[@Mike1_0]

On my 790R I removed the adaptors on the stock mirrors resulting in them sitting lower and it actually helped a little, almost as much as no mirrors at all. The taller standard 790 screen helped nothing except getting less wind in my chest/body area (haven't tried this screen with lower mirror position though). In highest screen position its even worse than the R model. Its not that often I'm riding +100km/h for long inactive periods - trying to keep it on the fun backroads as much as possible. But for long distance adventures it might be neccessary to take the highways/faster route sometimes - to have time to enjoy the camps and destination goals... so looking at one of those spoiler things now hoping it will help! Too bad they are kind of big and ugly... I've seen one using a really small spoiler clipon once(and he said it helped), but cant find it for sale anywhere :\ Will try removing the winglets below the headlight also I think, as somebody here mentioned. But I doubt it will help as if I put my legs up on the fairing with feet next to the headlight, completely blocking this channel of air, it is not changing the buffeting much. But if I angle the feet outwards in front of the handlebars it changes quite a bit. Meaning it is the handlebar stuff thats making the most turbulence for me? Try without the handguards also maybe? (not that I would want to ride without them but...) Or just hope one of those standard spoiler will create that air bubble that stabilizes the airflow around the head and live with the ugliness... Or get a 3D printer and make my own deflectors in suitable places. Yay another excuse for getting yet another expensive toy ;)

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks for sharing

[@lucimoto2922]

Mra x screen touring model or sport

[@humzilla707]

Rade garage windscreen looks like it might be a good option

[@garylangridge3103]

Got this it's good for me 70mph nice and quiet ,but have had to remove my peak as just skimming the wind flow ,was on BMW gs 800 with tall screen before so expectations are high more me so good is a far summory

[@tonyvancauwenberghe3171]

Why don’t they make a rally tower wind protection only… without all this expensive tech inside… o love my 790 really but I hate the wind and rain protection on highway! Is crazy that I am thinking about changing motorbike just because of this… But I saw a guy that changed the seat to rally comfort seat from touratech and he said because you don’t have to sit so close in front of the motorbike above the foot pegs what the stock seat force you to do, the fact that you can sit more on the back of the motorbike helps a lot…

[@trailblazeratv6306]

Hand guards help too

[@desertdaveadv404]

if it breaks at least its cheap enough to replace if it does get broken

[@ExploringCabinsandMines]

That's whats holding me back from buying a dual sport is they suck off road and on road its a compromise.

[@jonyan3034]

what is the name of the small windshield?

[@danielconroy4601]

What is the name , manufacturer from Amazon on your extension?

[@darwincowell2668]

I respectfully disagree with your comment about no worse than V Strom or Africa Twin. I have owned both and still have the V Strom. I sold the Africa Twin in order to buy the 790. I love everything about the bike except for the terrible job it does in the air management department. It is causing me hearing problems even though I always wear proper fitting earplugs. I have experimented with different windscreens, including the very large Givi model, with very little success. I've tried no windscreen, removing the lower spoilers, etc., but to no avail. I benchmarked it against my V Strom on the same stretch of highway back to back in exactly the same conditions and the 790 was much worse. After much experimentation, which included hi-tech materials such as duct tape and hardboard, I came to the conclusion that the buffeting is caused by updraughts caused by the shape of the bodywork. The air shoots up from below, in the fork area, and also off the angled surface of the bodywork. Some of the air is directed at the base of the helmet, and some hits the underside of your arms causing all kinds of airflow problems and buffeting. To properly address the problem, I believe KTM will have to change the shape of the bodywork or more likely someone in the aftermarket will design a set of bolt-on panels to properly manage airflow. If this happens, I'll be near the front of the line to purchase it. Otherwise, the 790 is by far the best all-rounder I've ever owned.

[@edgarbleikur1929]

Others have suggested changing mirrors, makes sense as I've had mirror caused buffeting on other bikes...

[@urosgregorec]

Good video.

[@bradb2514]

I’m curious if you are still using the little windscreen spoiler and how it’s working out. Or have you tried other solutions? I’m considering the 790 but I need to ride on the freeway for at least an hour to get to where I want to start my fun riding. So wind buffeting is a real concern. And yes, as you mentioned, I also have a R1200GS so am a little spoiled with excellent protection now.

[@BigRockMoto]

No I have gone to a Puig touring screen and removed the lower winglets. Its as good as my GS now. Video coming soon

[@bradb2514]

Big Rock Moto & Outdoors wow! That’s great news! Congrats

[@bdraidian6280]

@@BigRockMoto really. I’m 6’1” and also have a puig windscreen lots of wind buffering. I get bitch slapped by the wind every time. I about to take it off and go back to stock windscreen.

[@d.c5799]

@@BigRockMoto Did you ever do this video? I can’t seen to find it. Wanted to see which model of Puig you were running and how it went.

[@haraldleffers]

This Aliexpress windshield does not work on my XT660Z

[@sanbje]

So, after installing the external wind shield, you don’t need to use ear plugs anymore?

[@thealvaco]

Always wear plugs man

[@davidrivera1727]

Do you know if the buffeting is as bad on the S model ?

[@Almecho]

Nope, standart model in high position is way better. If you add MRA X-screen it is close to perfect.

[@dosenmarko]

just take it off when offroading? it shouldn't take too much space, but again I would do that as a last option.

[@billroberts9182]

If you follow a semi on the freeway you will have buffeting for a thousand feet behind it. The worst are car transport semis.

[@TheHarleyray]

The handgards defects the wind each side of me.

[@toby7504]

That little piece of plastic made my old vstrom smooth as..

[@stevec9959]

The windshield is just bad and there is no perfect solution. Apart from that and the screen condensation, the bike is great.

[@germaniack]

"This bike is going to be a long distance bike." - Said by you and me both, aged like fine cheese.

[@TheHarleyray]

Deflect

[@pedromarques7977]

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