I Can't Believe this TV Show is Real

[@kurtisconner]

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[@julialowes7825]

How was this posted 3 hours ago

[@phonegloomy]

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR HAIR KURT 😭😭😭😭😭

[@marstheplanet0]

@@julialowes7825literally what i was about to ask lol

[@V.sunspire]

kurtis you can admit youre prematurely balding, we wont judge

[@Gen_-6012]

@@julialowes7825because before it was published he had it unlisted or something

[@CalAnAmbulance]

I’m gay and my husband’s bi and there is nothing he loves more than when people ask if he’s gay and he gets to say “I’m not gay but my husband is.” And I kept thinking about that joke this whole video

[@bm-ye1jj]

@@ville-c4usped reply but okay

[@ville-c4u]

@@bm-ye1jj female reply but okay

[@mayitakeyourhatsir8632]

@@ville-c4u haha you're so funny. haha gay people bad. people with intellectual disability bad. haha you're so cool and funny and awesome and i bet you have so many friends irl

[@gojobollo]

@@ville-c4ui just know u r stinky

[@vic.2307]

This is my favorite comment ever

[@Elikaneli]

”I don’t have much in common with gay men…except for my attraction to males” is crazy

[@andrewkoster6506]

it's pretty funny that he puts it in the same two-item list as "Broadway musicals"

[@BamBabyBrenda]

I want to describe things like him

[@James-nr9gm]

As someone who doesn’t “present,” I’ve honestly started wearing rainbows to remind people that the biggest part of being gay isn’t being fem, it’s … 🌈being gay✨

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@Taekaleaf]

@ville-c4u It takes one to know one.

[@adyingstar]

The way all of them often go on vacations with other men and "come back happier" is both hysterical and depressing. It's giving real life Brokeback Mountain.

[@imperfectly_megan]

I'm surprised Kurtis didn't make a joke about it tbh.

[@kaylee3752]

"camping trip"

[@Andrea-y7f4u]

God that fucking movie

[@threemanband]

@@imperfectly_megan He did?

[@jijitters]

You meant hilarious* not hysterical. Perhaps you could say 'hysterically funny' too. Many people use that word incorrectly ;)

[@annanear.]

i work at amazon, and the amount of "how to heal homosexuality" self help books i package is insane

[@ho_lee_fuk.]

@ seriously??? That's very sad

[@SCROTUMM]

That's very BASED

[@FTZPLTC]

Could you make some little notes to slip into them?

[@SCROTUMM]

@@FTZPLTC No that's tampering with their stuff

[@ville-c4u]

WE DON'T CARE + MY CONTENT INFINITELY BETTER 😂

[@TheFailPoductionz]

Thanks for coming out as straight, Kurtis. Very brave of you.

[@jplveiga]

I thought up until today that he was our bi icon 😭 😭 😭

[@taratih]

@@jplveigaehhhhhhhhh

[@ronefero6142]

@@jplveiga lol Bicon

[@lord.lugubrious5318]

@@ronefero6142lol Bicon

[@hannerikruger7216]

Omggggggg yes biCONner​@@ronefero6142

[@sayo1133]

i don’t “struggle with same sex attraction” i’m actually very good at it

[@Jartran72]

Based!

[@RainbyFIN]

Hell yeah high five, fellow fruit

[@Lyra-will-be-okay]

😏😏😏

[@user-cx1ov6gm1s]

real and true

[@basilbroemel9600]

I fuckin spat out my water lolll

[@JRAD897]

Bi-bulls to bibles and sacrilegious to sack religious right after each other was perhaps the greatest comedic sequence I've ever witnessed

[@bagel6669]

yeah i was really impressed by the bi-bulls to bibles bit

[@deadalpeca8099]

My mans is killing it with the comedy. Now if only he'd tone down the needless feminist pandering, we'd be golden. Edit: Before you call me a misogynist, read my explanation below as to what I meant by feminist pandering.

[@BubbleWrapAndCupcake]

Thank you for this comment I felt the same way, blessed 😂

[@bradynorman680]

HIVEMIND SACK RELIGIOUS

[@shoujiitl8767]

​@@deadalpeca8099can you give an example of this pandering

[@peachynkeen]

I live in Utah and have a gay LDS coworker. He’s been in a monogamous same-sex relationship for 2 years now, but says that his dream is to get married to a woman and start a family. I told him he can just as easily start a family with the man he’s dating (or some other man he would want to marry), but he thinks that having a family with another man would be “wrong.” It makes me feel bad for him (and the man he’s decided to leave eventually, and the woman he will marry who will be trapped in a loveless marriage) and other brainwashed people like him :( it truly destroys their lives and happiness

[@Jelly_Jay_15]

If you watch Jimmy snow's videos he breaks down the brain washing. It was hard for me to accept myself growing up it was wrong to even have those feelings at all the feeling being okay is a recent change. I hope he decides to truly accept himself but in the church he may never do so.

[@l-kin3480]

No one's forcing them to stay there. They can always leave. I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for free people that choose to chain themselves. If he was in a Muslim country I'd understand his plight

[@marios1861]

​@@l-kin3480 how free is he really when he had no choice over his upbringing?

[@l-kin3480]

@marios1861 he's an adult now. He's free to question, research and leave

[@deatheater6222]

@@l-kin3480 you clearly have no idea how cults work

[@briankaslewicz6130]

"Not Gay, SSA" is a crazy slogan for the Social Security Administration, but then again, I don't have a Bachelors in business & marketing, so what do I know?

[@Thrarm]

this made me laugh quite loudly

[@angles18]

What can I say, it is catchy 🤔

[@HeatherRoden-n2r]

I keep thinking *Serial Sexual Assaulter* lol

[@jamie4707]

What do I nose?

[@idkmakesomethingup8714]

What do I nose? 👃

[@vii1e481]

SSA being ass spelt backwards makes me think that they are playing in their face 😭

[@sophiedowney1077]

It fits really well because making people have to suppress who they are if they want a relationship with God is ass-backwards.

[@blueberreez]

The statement "SSA is ass backwards" is true both literally and figuratively.

[@makaylaanderson886]

I had the same thought 😂

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@lizjizz9397]

@@ville-c4u bot behavior

[@alyssaliara]

man the “I don’t feel like a fit the mold of guys who are attracted to men other than my deep love for broadway show tunes and the attraction to males” quote would be such a good one liner in a musical

[@marysoleil7747]

…or on one of this specific t-shirts

[@calebfairchild1830]

I want it on a T-shirt

[@idontwantahandlethough]

"I don't identify with being gay except for having perhaps the most stereotypically gay hobby, oh and also I like to do gay stuff in my free time. That too"

[@bellaboo.24]

SSA the musical

[@aegisScale]

​@@bellaboo.24that'd actually be a funny topic for like a Book of Mormon sequel💀

[@vidyasreeram2587]

My gay male cousin is married to a lesbian wife (because being queer is not really accepted in our country and they want to keep the peace) but they have a really good and healthy friendship, and plan to introduce their respective partners to any future kids as "auntie"/"uncle". It's honestly very wholesome. This is just sad lol

[@UltraCheesecakeFace]

That’s called a Lavender marriage! It used to be suuuuper commonplace in the queer community, especially for public figures whose relationships are highly scrutinized, like Hollywood actors and actresses.

[@aletcetera9883]

When I came out my mom made me read a book about suppressing ssa to save your relationship with god. Set me on the right path, and today I’m a proud gay atheist.

[@batlover1977]

Really glad for you friend

[@kukusenka]

Good for you!

[@OwOlord9000]

I'm happy for you! You deserve people who love you for who you are, not what they want you to be

[@YaBoyHam]

I'm happy you love yourself for you. Best wishes ❤️

[@reapertemptations]

I got scared for a sec when you said "set me on the right path" glad you are true to yourself!

[@garrettjvb]

This show is absolute proof for conservative Christians that being gay is not a choice. Everything about these men's lives is telling them not to be gay, and yet they still are.

[@lonelyrooster]

Holy cow you're right.... That could be a problem

[@OnlyTAS]

​@@lonelyroosterloving a beautiful man is never a problem ❤

[@ghastlycandle]

“NOoOooOooOoOoooOOoO tHeyRe NoT tRyiNg HaRd EnoUGh!!111!11!1!!!1!”

[@honeybee347]

It is also really old school. Lavender marriages and marrying for financial benefit or for begetting heirs has been common thought out history.

[@garrettjvb]

@@honeybee347 I feel like the difference here is the sheer level of childish ignorance and pathetic denial.

[@bruhasina125]

i love how confident the wives are that their husbands are DEFINETLY NOT gay while theyre being gay 😭😭

[@roxassora2706]

Tbf bisexual is a thing.

[@sweet.p34]

@@roxassora2706what if they’re bisexual but just don’t like their wives

[@mariya_tortilla]

@@sweet.p34 why even marry them then lol

[@CiphersVII]

​@@sweet.p34 best plot twist lmfao

[@MeeYeeWeeWee]

Everyone is gonna respond "bisexual erasure" but its obvious these men are gay and because bisexual is slightly more acceptable by like 1% to their homophobic community. If they said they only liked men it would be "worse" for them so they have to soft launch it (seen this in real life too and yes they came out as 100% gay. The whole story is insane)

[@ech9349]

Hey Kurtis, just wanted to comment a recommendation to potentially add your own captions to your videos for Deaf or hard of hearing viewers to follow along and enjoy your content. KZbin’s auto generated captions can be wrong and change the words, so they tend to not be as reliant as user-written captions. Hope this is well received, cheers!

[@tsundor1]

youtube removing the ability to add user submitted captions is one the stupidest things they've ever done. i atleast hope the auto captions get better with time, especially using context. that would be like one of the rare good uses of ai

[@honkhonk275]

@@tsundor1 the creator can still make the captions or hire someone to do it for them. As far as I know it's just community added captions are banned because people were likely captioning unprofessionally/trolling.

[@ville-c4u]

You sound sped 😂

[@tsundor1]

@@honkhonk275 yeah i know, hence the term "user submitted captions". also i'm pretty sure it was more common for people to do legit captions than trolling, and either way it's still really bad to remove the option altogether even if people were misusing them, they could have implemented a captions rating system or something. the way things are right now it just means people are less likely to have non auto captions on their videos, especially if they don't have the time to add them

[@diathedismal771]

👏👏👏

[@elizabeth3443j]

this is literally just severe denial, internalized homophobia, and religious guilt. such a sad way to live

[@BroxTheHusky]

Kurtis has mastered the art of making gay jokes and not being homophobic, hell ye

[@babitferreira]

And some comics act like it’s super hard to not be a bigot 😮

[@Siliwus]

lol it is when being a bigot is your identity ​@@babitferreira

[@jijitters]

"Coming out" as straight is super corny and people should definitely stop doing that annoying shite but other than that, yes.

[@heyhey8684]

@@jijittershe did it because people always assume that he is queer in some way

[@UnStop4ble]

@@jijitters you are just looking for a reason to hate straight people at this point. if you dont understand the reason he said that you are kinda lost, its not a coming out

[@icetide9411]

Fun fact: Rams have a weirdly high rate of homosexuality, and then scientists wondered why they didn't see a bunch of lesbian sheep. They realized the mating ritual of female sheep is to stand perfectly still. Now we have the joke term Lesbian Sheep Syndrome

[@aliceramdom.s]

lol

[@audreykroger]

Literal stone top

[@Deadshotya]

How is this how I find out rams are just male sheep am I stupid???

[@mhenderson7673]

When two lesbian sheep fall in love they just freeze and stare at each other 😭

[@ontheline3421]

So basically if a sheep is lesbian it's asexual?

[@dandelionlaguerredesclans1320]

The saddest part about this is that both parties in those relationships are suffering. The men can't live their truths and the women aren't loved. The most telling part is how most of the wives were told and then convinced by their husbands that "SSA relationships" were a good and normal thing and that they should just accept it. They're all brainwashed into accepting misery and it's so sad.

[@mikamattaa8547]

I think the only relationship that is hurt is Jeff and Tanya's, at least from the recaps I've seen on KZbin. Jeff shows more attraction to males than females, and he has had a "close call" situation. That makes me think that he's gay but in denial. Coming out to their wives as bisexual wouldn't be a big deal in any other context but apparently it is when you're religious.

[@thomashavard-morgan8181]

I feel sorry for everyone involved, the men who were taught self loathing and hatred and the women who have learned to value themselves so little, that they would accept being with a man who can never truly love them, it's just tragic.

[@alyluander]

the mormon church truly takes over individuals entire lives, and often destroys them

[@rpmblack7892]

​@@ville-c4uWdym

[@JiHu-d8c]

Exactly.

[@TheAbigailDee]

This is funny and also tragic

[@nerodiseppia99]

Yes, this is exactly what i thought the entire time. Like if you really love your wife (platonically speaking at least) wouldn’t you want her to be with someone who truly like and cares about her?

[@praevidens]

Get these guys on Chappell Roan's "Goodluck, babe!" right this instant

[@GoobyGoober-ho1ls]

i love you

[@GabiTheWeird0]

YESS OMG

[@VeraEdelman]

PLEASE

[@randomuser_143]

right like it was the only thing on my mind when watching this 😭😭😭

[@Night.1]

Heather by Conan Gray too

[@channingvalentine]

former mormon here... they were still doing conversion therapy as late as 2006, because they did it to me. They sent me to a camp and shock therapy, and when I said I still had feelings of being attracted to women, they excommunicated me and my family disowned me. FYI this happened over 15 years ago, I'm doing much better now but the camp they sent me to is still running and operational in Arizona.

[@emryarts]

I'm glad you doing better and glad u having time to heal!!

[@Juliette_jules]

Wow I’m really sorry you had to go through that. You’re so strong 💛

[@KiPisMe]

I am so sorry you went through that. Especially sorry that your family made the wrong choice. But, absolutely happy to hear you are doing better these days.

[@sufficientphrase7769]

so f'ing disgusting. its very good to hear you were able to get through it. we have to hope that these places get shut down and families realize how horrible they are being, but in the US its probably unlikely and that kills me.

[@beesokay]

I have former morman friends who left more recently and they were still doing it then. I also went to college in Indiana in 2015, and there was a convertion therapist's office a few blocks from campus. I'm so sorry you went through, and im glad you're no longer being forced into that type of torture.

[@pengmaeda9908]

Unironically that Emily going "Wiener Dog" and the framing on Tom stopping for a second was so funny to me, just imagining the only thing going his head was, "WIENER WIENER WIEENER WIENER WIENER WIIIEEENER WIENER WIENER WIENER"

[@laurenmc08]

That's exactly what I was thinking 🤣🤣

[@tukethebear]

My church pastors tried to make me do something like this when I admitted I was attracted to men. They gave me pamphlets on SSA, and they even tried to get me to go to conversion therapy. My youth pastor became obsessed with my sex life, asking me super intrusive, inappropriate questions... all while I was under 18 When I told them I was uncomfortable with those options, they outed me to the whole congregation via the prayer requests journal. In a moment of vulnerability and honesty I was shamed and called disgusting. They acted as if I had some sort of disease. In regards to my belief in god, the cracks started to show years before, but this was the breaking point for me. Seeing this issue made into a TV show for shits and giggles is honestly so heartbreaking.

[@skunkrat01]

Reading your story was also heartbreaking. It's like how anti-trans campaigners want bio sex bathrooms, motherfucker, are you the one who will be insisting on checking women's genitals before they pee? WTAF. It's hard when we think things are getting better but the backlash to that progress takes us back 60 years as a society. Stay strong fellow resident of Kurtistown. Much love to you ❤❤

[@lunanewyear]

That is so horrible I’m so sorry :(

[@imays12]

@@skunkrat01because fuck women who feel uncomfortable with it right?

[@timeittakestoletgo1687]

I am so, so sorry you went through such spiritual and emotional trauma, and through such a difficult time in general with your sexuality. I hope you're healthy and happy and living for you.

[@Spanish101class]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that 😞

[@juliawrit6165]

When I came out my mom told me that she thought women were attractive in college but she stayed true to gods plan and avoided those “sinful desires”. It was something she had to “overcome”

[@BreakyOnline]

Guess the gay runs in the family

[@Cowboy_Frog]

This is like when I told my mum I was experiencing various ADHD symptoms and she went “that’s not ADHD, that’s normal!” Yeah she’s got ADHD too. 😂

[@early2exit]

My wife and I are openly queer, and the amount of "straight" friends we have that have told us about suppressing their feelings because of judgement is insane!

[@skzanarchist]

now we know where you got the gay from

[@CrashYummy]

I told my mom I was bi and she said "girl I've had more gay experiences than you" lmaooo MOM IM 13!

[@TheGodlyPhantom]

man gets a hair cut and suddenly his voice drops by two octaves. THIS IS AN IMPOSTER NOT KURTIS.

[@aleakeliinoi4863]

i was hoping for a comment to say this i thought i was going fucking insane thank you

[@jaydes4860]

Right?!

[@sakuramikus]

i thought i was going insane

[@MrDoctorProfessorPatch]

Noticed that too, I bet he's just sick.

[@eqckl]

bro im losing my mind, not nearly enough people are talking about this😭 and like why did he get an american accent all of a sudden but somehow his canadian accent got stronger

[@maximumdinosaur]

When my mom first told me about gay people, she told me about a woman who was a lesbian but repented and married a man and now goes around preaching about not acting on homosexuality. She says she still is a lesbian, she just doesn't act on it, which is what my parents believe is right. I really hope she's bisexual and is actually happy in her marriage. I think about her a lot.

[@miya705]

As someone who used to be like this, it is truly a miserable existence. I chose to date a man for several years to get acceptance from my family (not Mormon, but Muslim) and the saddest part is that it worked. They were nicer, more helpful when I struggled, more supportive, and didn't treat me like my existence was a plague anymore. But I was still miserable. I hated being with him, I hated myself because I could never believe it when I'd lie about being happy, I hated the praise from my family for "fixing" myself, I was constantly seeing people happily out and wishing I could be like them, and constantly wishing I was born "right." I constantly had to fight the urge to take myself off this planet. The worst part was people giving him sympathy for "being stuck with someone who doesn't love him" even though he knew since day 1 that I wasn't attracted to men and used my family situation to get to me. I truly hope those men got out okay and were able to accept who they are. It took years for me to finally embrace being a lesbian and I am SO much happier now. My family does still try to convince me to go back to living in the closet but luckily I'm stronger now and can tell them to fuck off.

[@olivererkuk1234]

I hope you’re in a better place in your life now. Never compromise on who you are, if you do, you’ll never know true acceptance. You’ll only be keeping the peace temporarily. Stay strong!

[@gigglesmurf2004]

That's wonderful you are being true to yourself.

[@sophiabeebeeboo4579]

Sincerely good for you for staying true to who you are and making that decision to live a life authentic to yourself and who you love. That takes a lot of courage and you should be proud that you were able to make that happen.

[@Nosfermarki]

I'm so sorry you went through that. It feels like that should be considered abuse.

[@hey-fq3qc]

I have a similar situation. I came out at 14 but have been basically forced back into the closet. Luckily my family only wants to think about forcing me to marry when im 27. Im 20 rn and working hard to get my own appartement. Does it ever get better? Im dreading losing my whole family. I have been since I realized i wasn’t straight.

[@carmintrujillo7860]

Tom was my high school AP teacher. I’m losing my mind. People used to talk about this show in school but this is the first time i’ve actually seen it. He’s actually a great guy and teacher one of the best ones i remember from high school.

[@GayIdol]

Tom was my gf's teacher too when this episode aired! She said that apparently whenever kids would try to ask him about the show, he would usually reply "the school asked me not to talk about it...."

[@timnimigean8971]

Wait, people talked about the show in general and you're just now finding out your teacher was on it? Or people talked about him being on it while you were in school?

[@carmintrujillo7860]

@@timnimigean8971people talked about him being on this show. but it was more of a “haha our teachers on a show called ‘my husbands not gay’” not in a crazy scandal way if that makes sense

[@kristenc742]

thats crazy! do you know if he had a partner? i was looking for an update

[@SuperAmericanism]

​@@kristenc742asking the important questions

[@gwynrose2427]

As an ex-mormon who is also gay, this shit is genuinely horrific. It leads to depression and suicide. Utah has a frighteningly high suicide rate and this type of shit is part of that. When I came out to my mom she literally showed me a "Gay Mormon" who had a blog about living like this in the hopes that I would consider it. Thankfully, that guy eventually came to terms with the fact that he was fucking miserable and left his wife for a man (which actually didn't even destroy their family, they worked out a dynamic to still raise their kids together. It all worked out!) and he also wrote up an apology for his blog, because promoting this to young gay people in the church is SO FUCKING HARMFUL. It's infuriating. I hate it so much.

[@willowwinkle]

yeah genuinely horrific. My partner is ex-Mo. There's all this language about "we accept gays" that non LDS people hear but it doesn't mean what they think it means. It means suppressing your humanity and living a fake identity that is harmful for all involved. The women in this video who are talking about how happy they are is because they're taught they're worthless unless you are sealed to a man who can secret handshake you into LDS heaven. That said... on an individual level i know a lot of LDS/Mormon people who aren't like this and accept the gay/trans/etc. people in their families but are afraid to speak up. It's messed up. Glad you are ok.

[@LRM12o8]

Hell, I had an identity crisis when I could no longer deny that I was gay and I wasn't even confronted with homophobia in my family, at school or among my friends. It was just becaise nobody thought to tell me that being gay is an option that exists, is accepted and that I'm not the only one at my age in my region feeling that way, that was all! Finding out you're different after you've been(unintentionally) made to believe that there's only heterosexuality is confusing and scary enough, I can't imagine how terrifying it must to be to find out you're not straight in a social environment, where not being straight means losing your family, your reputation and possibly losing your freedom (threat of incarceration) and safety (threat of violent injury or death)! 😢😭

[@LRM12o8]

@willowwinkle An awful amount of straight people seem to genuinely think that this "accepting homosexuality as long as it isn't acted upon" BS was a friendly and tolerant stance and that gay people could happily live in accordance to it. They simply lack the empathy or care to realize that they're asking people with normally distributed sex drives to live in complete abstinence, which is something they themselves would never accept - let alone live happily with - if they had to follow that advice themselves! 🤦 ...or they're all just evil and only pretend to genuinely think this, so can keep up a tolerant and inclusive facade. Some of them sure do, but I don't think they're the majority.

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@dawn_ette]

Gay exmo’s rise up ✊

[@naiadnb]

This is basically what my parents tried to pressure me to do when I came out--they told me that I just needed to suck it up and either marry a man or live a chaste life forever. Extremely cool thing to put on a child.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

1:07 this reminds me of the boxer Emile Griffith who was Bi, during a boxing match in 1962 he k illed his opponent Benny "Kid" Paret in the ring. He said "I kill a man and most people understand and forgive me. However, I love a man, and to so many people this is an unforgivable sin; this makes me an evil person"

[@aliceramdom.s]

you can say "killed"

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@aliceramdom.s I did

[@whowhy7554]

That's so sad dude😭

[@wackoducky]

holy fuck i didn't know about this. This guy called him a f*g repeatedly, and then he beat him so hard he had to go to the hospital later, and died there. Then griffith had nightmares for 40 years about it. What the actual fuck.

[@jaeoliver3920]

there’s a WW1 or WW2 veteran gravestone that says “they gave me a medal for killing a man, and a dishonorable discharge for loving one.” breaks my heart every time i remember it

[@danad5226]

Kurtis bringing up pictures of his wedding day(s) every chance he can get is so sweet he loves his wife so fuckin much

[@aliceramdom.s]

yes

[@kunpunko]

@@aliceramdom.swell yes

[@amiistardust]

dgk are the holy trinity of men who love their wives

[@shineinstars]

​​@@aliceramdom.sye s

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

i would too, they’re gorgeous weddings and he and jenna are equally gorgeous in them. they seem so happy together and i love that for them

[@kudosforkai888]

this is my worst nightmare: to be doomed in a marriage and to be trapped in a religion where it's essentially "we always love you and accept you" with an invisible gun held to your head that can't let you be fully yourself and accepted. it's even more putrid TLC thinks it's entertaining enough to profit of their misery.

[@ashleypisarts]

I second this. This is also my worst nightmare. I’m not religious, but I go to a private Catholic school that is predominantly conservative. In my religion class, we talk about politics and social issues such as “homosexual behavior” and “transgenderism.” It absolutely disheartens me every single time we talk about this because my school treats these normal human things as a disease or something to be cured (ESPECIALLY when it comes to being transgender). For example, my religion teacher compared “struggling with homosexual behavior” to “struggling with alcoholism.” It’s absolutely disgusting and it scares me to think that my ignorant classmates are being “educated” like this and will grow up to be hateful and full of bigotry.

[@iclynnx]

​@@ashleypisarts Is there a way to get away from that school? I can imagine it's not very good for your mental health to be surrounded by hatred...

[@daikonlegs2726]

@@ashleypisartsdayum. This is why I believe organized religion should be a thing of the past already. Never seen one that isn’t at least a little cult-y!

[@masturluck]

​@@ashleypisarts that sounds awful..

[@hauntpsychic]

Reminds me of how they exploited jazz Jennings and putting her in situations that left her vulnerable to transmisogynists. That shit has had a big effect on her and it pisses me off

[@vglycorpse2001]

One of the funniest pieces of lore about myself is I realized I was bi when I was like 12, got in trouble with my Catholic family, and then began to spew homophobia online “for God” while actively drawing giant booba anime women offline in secret. I’m now a slightly embarrassed possibly lesbian woman. Mental

[@miab.5648]

The fact that they’re all still in the same relationships today and some of them even became conversion therapists themselves is so sad😕

[@aliceramdom.s]

oh dear

[@azanasta]

They did??

[@ceoatcrystalsoft4942]

What's wrong with that? They stayed together

[@dtango3531]

even sadder for the women who are forced into and trapped into these relationships

[@Chelseabee55]

@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942one is in a relationship suppressing their sexuality (and probably having affairs and/or hating themselves) and the other is in a relationship with someone who doesn’t desire them. And then the conversation therapy…

[@neuroatypi_gal]

What is so heartbreaking to me about these kinds of relationships is the idea that neither person really gets to feel fulfilled in the relationship. The man never gets to be himself and the woman doesn’t get to have a husband attracted to her. That’s just a bummer all around. The delusion on both sides.

[@pungetello]

maybe not in some ways, but there's still the emotional fulfillment of a best friend and lifelong confidant, as well as the fulfillment of having a family together.

[@DatPizzaGurl]

@@pungetello having a family based on lies? Sounds great and really healthy

[@Scrubjay457]

Yeah, but as an outsider looking in at these relationships, I don't think these men think of their wives as best friends, let alone lifelong confidants.

[@jijitters]

​@@pungetello I suspect you are aroace? People who experience sexual and/or romantic attraction would not feel fulfilled in relationships where they are denied those things. I know ace people especially don't like hearing this and can't bring themselves to understand it, but most people expect sex and sexual satisfaction to be a major factor of their relationships and it does not feel like a true relationship without it. When a non-asexual person is in a relationship and feels like their partner is not attracted to them, it is a major source of unhappiness, and it does significant harm to their self-esteem. I know it is very difficult for ace people to put themselves in this mindset since it seems to not be the same for them but this is so significant for most people that it is a common reason for breakups, cheating, divorce, and general unhappiness in relationships. Your partner finding your attractive, and you finding your partner attractive, is vital to most non-ace relationships. It's incredibly rare for romantic & sexual preferences to completely misalign, so almost certain it means they aren't romantically attracted to them either, and one is bad enough but lacking both sounds like torture. Those wives probably never truly feel loved by their husbands.

[@pinktlrb]

@jijitters I get what you're saying, but I honestly believe that thinking that way is detrimental to everyone, regardless if they're aro, ace or neither. It's also unfair and reductive to assume that someone who thinks like op must be aro/ace and just doesn't “get it.” I think people need to examine why they feel they *need* to be in a romantic relationship, and why their self-worth is so dependent on the subjective attraction of others. People can have happy and fulfilling lives without romantic relationships, but oftentimes society's emphasis on romance means that romantic relationships are always, *always* prioritized over friendships, and people are never willing to be as emotionally vulnerable with a friend they've had for years than a romantic partner they've been dating for a month. It's honestly sad how often people overlook the people already in their life because they can't see themselves as happy without a romantic partner, to the point where they'd rather stay in a toxic relationship than be without a romantic partner.

[@woodykrska9947]

My god, this seems so horrible for both the men AND their wives.

[@Cabdulahi_Somali]

This is good. They would much rather be with woman than with man.

[@伏見猿比古-k8c]

The relationship with their wives gives conservative mother brainwashing their child into thinking they aren't gay vibes.

[@woodykrska9947]

@ My brother in Christ, one of them literally said that if it was allowed in the church he would preferred to have married a man.

[@Cabdulahi_Somali]

@ My son believed the same thing and now he knows better. I sent him to therapy. He knows it works so I don’t want to hear it.

[@Cabdulahi_Somali]

@ thank you

[@andmyAlex]

No, I’m not gay, I just can’t stop these *jazz hands*

[@ameliarosesheppard9007]

"The most supportive, most homophobic people ever" so accurately describes mormons. I grew up in the mormon church, and knew I was a lesbian around age 16ish. I stayed in the church until I was 19, and reconciling my queer identity with the beliefs I was raised to have was some insane mental gymnastics. I was never kicked out of anything, never yelled at or abused, but there was this expectation that either I would grow out of it, or that I would "have faith" or whatever and marry a man anyways. Thanks for covering the topic, and making fun of these guys in a more respectful way than some! A lot of people mock mormons incessantly without realizing that while they chose to be like that, many of them have been indoctrinated from birth, and many do not have a safe way to leave, so some commentary/comedy around them just feels like people laughing at my trauma. This one was good.

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@JayEmersontheman]

@@ville-c4ufind a noooooooose

[@janetandamocha7874]

People really underestimate the power of religious indoctrination- I hope you have a safe place now to process :)

[@eksboks148]

​@@ville-c4uhaving a rough day, bud?

[@jermocha]

Ex mormon from Utah here! I had some bad memories watching these people try to negotiate being themselves or being in the church- I attempted to take my life when I was 16 because i was so hopeless of the thought of having to marry a man to make my family love me. I realized I was a lesbian and decided to leave the church, no matter how much my family would shun me for it. It’s still hard but I left Utah and it’s been so much better not being in a culture so hell bent on repressing anyone who is different

[@whoe_whate8487]

“If it WAS accepted to be a homosexual in the church, would I be gay? Maybe 8 or 9 years ago, 10 years ago? The answer would be yes.” That absolutely shattered me. Not being able to express who you really are, not being able to love who you want to love, all while essentially lying to yourself - out of the fear of your OWN beliefs? It sounds miserable.

[@prestonfreeman1967]

insert (not so funny) self flagellation joke here. I mean, maybe they're also closeted masochists? "Not that there's anything wrong with that." - Seinfeld

[@Lulusacrifice]

The fact that if he was not to be damned to a place they said he would go he would do it shows he's only doing it for fear. Even in the end he never says what HE wants but what GOD wants and that's just Bro.

[@jorge69696]

That's why all these religious cults start their work on children during their formative years.

[@katarinaweber9749]

I grew up in a Christian church and it was always hammered into us that it's okay to have same sex attraction provided you NEVER EVER act on it. Your options are being single for life or marrying the opposite sex. That's all. We even had one service where they paraded this poor lesbian in front of all of us and she basically bawled through her whole "testimony" about how she was attracted to women but trying to follow "God's law" by not acting on her feelings. Agonized, in front of a judgmental crowd, about why God would give her these feelings and then condemn her to be alone forever instead of having a family. The worst of course was when the pastor then COMMENDED HER for being such a good example of a Christian for not "giving in to sin." It absolutely messed me up. Years later I found the love of my life--a woman--and I am now the black sheep of my family. Religion does a lot of damage to people like us.

[@RolandReaves]

@@katarinaweber9749I’m so happy you were able to find someone you’re attracted to! Congratulations :)

[@haha8920]

“i was certainly born with some homosexual attractions but what we say is ‘there’s still a choice in our behavior’” is code for “i knew i was gay since i was born and showed signs so the people around me brainwashed me into thinking its a choice” i hope they all free themselves of this 😭

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@brusselsproutses]

@@ville-c4uhmm

[@xEllieRose]

Saw a great movie recently called 'I saw the TV glow' and it reminds me of this and how ultimately it's crushing to see someone see more value in repressing themselves than to be genuine but it's due to external factors. I just wish they knew they'd be accepted, even if it's not from those currently around them.

[@alyjones9391]

as a bisexual woman who was raised mormon (and is still figuring out how i work with religion), i can confirm that “the most supportive, homophobic people you’ll ever meet” is a pretty accurate description

[@ville-c4u]

sped comment but okay

[@iblameantara]

@@ville-c4u Your entire profile is asking women for their discord. Literally nobody cares about you.

[@pmasonl]

hey can I just say, as a nonbinary and lgbtq-ally lds person, I appreciate you figuring out how to work being bi with religion. If I'm reading that correctly, (am I reading that correctly?) I don't see many people like that. It makes me sad that most people I see are either all-or-nothing, but still either way misunderstand they can be religious AND non-stereotypically christian in the bad way. But I guess it could get pretty contradictory. I wish you the best!

[@ARandomAccountYT]

Pretty much

[@alyjones9391]

@@pmasonl yes, you’re exactly right!! it took me a very long time to find a balance between the two and i even left the church for a while. i’m glad to have found a way to coexist (a way that is FAR less extreme than what this video shows- i think a very large problem within the church is many people taking “doctrine” as an excuse to be outrightly hateful and discriminatory towards others and i don’t believe that hiding or going against who i am is beneficial to anyone- not to myself, not to anyone in the church, and certainly not to god) but it had definitely taken me a long time to get there. thank you for making it a priority to love people as jesus does. i wish you the best too!!

[@rubyroberts5785]

22:43 “that’s the kind of dog you should get, tom” PLEASE😭

[@seanblonien]

I lost my shit laughing at that part 😂

[@daa5865]

I'm suprised they joke about that considering they unanimously agreed that they *shouldn't* be getting any wieners but I guess for the show you gotta tease it out a little bit

[@bobatealuna]

AND THE WAY HE SAID IT TOO

[@MilkChocolateGeese]

ikr like okay shady queen

[@TheExplodingStar0]

@@bobatealunabro literally has the queen accent😭😭😭😭

[@emmittthehuman7007]

What makes me really itchy inside is that what they’re doing is the same cognitive behavioral therapy used for OCD, it’s genuinely awful to use something so helpful and twist it into suppressing a normal and healthy part of yourself

[@maririmiki]

I was just thinking about this! The concept that they describe for SSA is similar to having intrusive thoughts in OCD

[@arinium691]

That's awful bro js found out I have ocd and I can't believe people are using my type of therapy for the evil beliefs

[@smart_c00ki3]

This was kinda what I had been thinking about as I kept watching and had been hoping to see others who had noticed! Although it really did make it feel all the more painful to see especially as an LGBTQIA+ person with OCD myself…

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@Taekaleaf]

ville-c4u has hpd don't pay them attention

[@jenniferm8399]

The random Smallville interjection really caught me off guard bc this past month and a half I’ve been thrown headfirst back into my obsession with Smallville and Tom Welling. He’s actually the prettiest man ever

[@wrasra3011]

This was actually very useful. I recently moved to Utah for work and have been so bewildered by the “gay is a choice” vernacular. I’ve been in so many arguments saying “obviously it isn’t. Is being attracted to men/women a choice for YOU?” Until seeing this video, I did not clock that they see same sex attraction and gay as independent things: SSA refers to feelings which cannot be helped; being “gay” is “acting on it” and this is the part that they see as a choice. This newfound comprehension gives me a route to arguing better in my role as an ally in Utah. Thank you!

[@matchasketch8224]

To be honest, I’m not personally a fan of the common rhetoric of gayness being a born trait either. It makes it sound like homosexuality (whether that be attraction or behaviour) should be accepted because “it can’t be helped” and treats it as an affliction that doesn’t happen out of one’s agency - rather, I think we should accept sexuality regardless of whether the homosexuality ultimately stems from nature or nurture I’m not sure what the scientific consensus on being gay is, ie. as being the result of nature or nurture or a mix of both, but given that there are cases of trauma or upbringing affecting sexual desire and behaviour, it feels wrong to rely on it being an innate trait as a justification for it being right (I don’t know if I conveyed that well, but I sometimes think, what if I’m gay because of certain experiences I went through? Would that not be acceptable if it was actually a choice?”). I think ultimately we shouldn’t be using scientific or religious reasoning for lgbtq acceptance. can’t it just be out of respect for human difference?

[@dilarabankoley1109]

@@matchasketch8224the scientific consensus is that nature plays more of a role than nurture. I get that these explanations might make you feel uncomfortable but that’s no reason to deny established scientific facts.

[@Radish_with_wings]

Actually you just helped me work that out in my brain too ty lol

[@deawinter]

@@matchasketch8224 from an allyship point of view, I think the safest thing is to assume that whether it is innate/genetically determined or a result of early childhood, hormonal, or other factors, research bares out that it is not a conscious “choice” that people make, nor is it malleable in most situations, and it can be extremely harmful to try to force change. Typically this discussion is being had with people who believe that being gay IS a conscious choice, and moreover, it’s a harmful and toxic choice. Having the “well, we should accept sexuality in other people regardless of whether it’s genetically determined” is pointless because they do not believe there is any genetically determined sexuality except for cishet marriages anyways. They’ll often get offended if you call humans “animals” and they don’t believe in evolution. So if taking the position it’s genetic helps them understand that it may not be a conscious and malicious choice, and may even be an intentional piece of God’s design, I say go for it.

[@Radish_with_wings]

@@matchasketch8224ultimately, I think I’m bi because lady Gaga, Britney Spears and Kesha existed

[@aliairving]

I remember my first understanding of this was 10 years ago when I was a senior in high school and this other guy told me “I’m probably gay but it’s against my religion to live in that way. What’s important is to not live in sin; to choose not to sin in that way. Urges aren’t sinful but acting on those urges is.” My heart BROKE for him. I was like.. oh?

[@emma2884]

The worst part is that isn't even what evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity teaches. In the Bible, Jesus literally says that thinking about the thing is as bad as doing it. It's a breeding ground for OCD.

[@some-muddy-loves-you]

@@emma2884i have scrupilosity, and i still love Jesus

[@izzyk9-]

We don’t know what’s good for us- since the beginning of time we’ve tried to do whatever we wanted and it would end in failure. Just because it’s happened forever or replicated by animals doesn’t mean that it is right because human sin has always existed Jesus loves you and wants best. But please for the love of goodness gracious become aaare that you don’t know what’s best for you in the same way a child reaches for boiling water- and know that maybe people are messed up at love- but He isn’t . I’m sorry if it sounds offensive I just wanted to clarify that the Bible and it’s Spirit that wrote it do assert forms of opposite sex marriage

[@meepmorp7097]

​@izzyk9- yes because loving someone is exactly the same as submerging your hand in boiling hot water!

[@gbearcham187]

@@izzyk9-what are you yappin about. I grew up Catholic/Christian and that’s just bullshit. isn’t there literally a commandment that says “love thy neighbor” and like id worry more abt pedophilia from priests than two people of the same sex loving each other. it’s not that serious🤦‍♀️

[@KayleeFarnes]

I'm a former mormon living in Utah and this show makes me so sad. I understand their reasoning so much because I've seen it happen. They want to protect their family relationships and their relationship with God so much that they have to deny who they are. It breaks my heart.

[@sarahbills7626]

Same. I remember having so much cognitive dissonance as a Mormon because the church sees being gay as a "trail" someone has to overcome. I've literally heard people compare it to having an addiction you have to overcome. I never saw the issue. It's so sad that the church teaches that this is the best case scenario

[@niaram]

it makes me so sad bc their sexuality will not change their relationship with God. and it always angers me to see ppl be made to believe these things.

[@clementine7750]

wow, I started watching kurtis when I was still in the mormon church and "struggling with SSA", and now years later ive left the church and accepted myself and now kurtis makes this video! weirdly healing and crazy how life goes lol

[@ILiketoSayYeehaw]

When i was super religious, I (a lesbian) was super interested in becoming Mormon. Why? Because I heard Mormons had this thing called sister-wives. I told my very religious parents this, i told my friends this. FINALLY, someone was like, "Why do you want to share a husband with someone?" And my response was,"What do you mean, husband?" I, in the depths of lesbian delusion, just did not notice or care about the husband in these marriages. I was fully convinced that Mormons were like, the single Christian sect that was just really cool with lesbians for some reason 🥴😩

[@oremukihss]

😂😂😂

[@smartypants261]

i’m living for the phrase “the depths of lesbian delusion” 🤣🤣

[@skunkrat01]

This story is hysterical, and sad. Ridiculous that the same old white men who enforce these ancient, archaic "laws", are beating off to lesbian porn at night. Hypocrites.

[@Aloekitti]

Mormans aren’t Christian!! Their a completely different religion

[@skunkrat01]

@@Aloekitti well not completely different, they still believe in Jesus and the Christian God specifically. But you're mostly right.

[@sunbirth4795]

1:01 "if youre gay, bye" -kurtis conner

[@Blimbus-Blombo]

Mayor Kurtis is anti-gay!!

[@whowhy7554]

Broke my heart when I heard that...

[@IzzyBoo-ye1sf]

bi*(short term for bisexual) not bye 😭🙏 unless I'm being autistic and this is a joke...

[@YourTruemonkE]

@@IzzyBoo-ye1sfI hate to break it to you…

[@KennyMcCormick7714]

Clicked off the video as soon as I heard this... Do better Kurtis.

[@bread8465]

As a gay guy who grew up in a church that taught us that homosexuality is a sin, and is still struggling with internalized homophobia, this show is honestly pretty horrific and depressing, and I appreciate the tactful blend of humor and empathy Kurtis shows here. Luckily my parents have accepted me and aren’t as religious anymore, but I shudder to think what life would be like if they hadn’t

[@DerAptrgangr]

You are an amazing person just the way you are. I'm so happy for you, that you have at least some support from your family.

[@bread8465]

@ thank you, and wow I didn’t expect this many likes lol. I’m doing pretty alright all things considered but I appreciate it

[@cindystumpf]

Hello from a fellow queer exmormon. Sending you so much love.

[@duckiemomo7511]

So happy you are in a position where they accept you! You deserve nothing less than that! Sending lots of love and happiness 🥹❤️

[@laurynholling2309]

I had a friend in high school whose parents were extremely conservative and homophobic. They had 3 gay children. They are no longer conservative or homophoic

[@Jen-dn1dh]

It's always so refreshing how you handle topics that could potentially hurt people. Your comedy is always respectful and doesn't feel targeted or weird, and I wish more folks understood the line between hurtful & funny jokes.

[@abbyfielding6269]

I'm a recently ex mormon, and seeing Kurtis make fun of them has healed my soul

[@mikudayoooooo]

congrats on leaving ♡

[@skipskylark9525]

you're so strong!!! i'm so proud of you :)

[@lucian-rn5ol]

Same

[@elin_]

Yay! I love reading stories of people putting religion in the past where it belongs.

[@ronandoyle827]

congratulations!

[@aplestone]

Any time I see Kurtis’ face it reminds me pf the meme of someone saying post malone’s mustache looks like two capybaras kissing because Kurtis’ mustache looks exactly like that.

[@fillinggaps1975]

Thanks, now I'm never going to un-see that. -_-

[@amel4771]

i see it

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@wildlightarts]

I see retro Atari's logo all over that stash.

[@neonparisian1296]

Mantis shrimp

[@Chera_Quf_track_nmideh]

Kurtis is like the cool uncle you dont see often

[@ville-c4u]

M.Y C.o..ntent IS .WAY. BE.TTER TH_AN THIS :Ñ~~Ñ . . . ....

[@Steveatetheicecream]

No he’s not

[@kith7154]

he’s the cool uncle i don’t have

[@arai_thegirlinatrance]

I'd say he's more of the best friends hot dad

[@OliviaRenae1111]

@@SheridanM-dc1nk least obvious rage bait

[@Certified.Airplane]

I’m a Christian Lutheran but also a trans guy and pan. When I came out to my parents (when I thought I was bi and a girl), I thought they would be hard on me because we were very religious and I had heard about how Christian parents had disowned their gay children. But instead they accepted me with open arms. When the church we went to found out that I was trans, they sent a pastor to “cure me” and we stopped going to that church. Now I’m in a different state and in a position where my church is more accepting than my school (whole other situation but this is just to show progress)

[@bupropionhcl]

i love that kurtis felt the need to come out to us as straight. we still love u ❤️ don’t support the lifestyle tho

[@Korra228]

LMFAO

[@stevo5075]

I’m fine with the straight lifestyle as long as it’s not on TV

[@kaitlynmorgan4613]

yeah i dont support the lifestyle, but as long as he doesnt shove it down our throats or makes it his personality its fine :/ /s

[@Korra228]

@@kaitlynmorgan4613 I am so sick of straight propaganda in our media! I hate this woke crap being shoved down our throats.

[@DerAptrgangr]

His lifestyle choice is entirely up to him. But I do agree that their culture is a little... I don't know....

[@cloudymay5600]

"SSA not gay" is actually a thing in other Christian sects too. Growing up I had a protestant (female) friend who was gay, but her parents sent her to a day camp with single SSA people who married people of the opposite sex anyway when we were in middle school. After that she was kinda off again on again gay-religious SSA, we mostly fell out of touch, but as a lesbian myself, I really hope she's able to be herself now

[@Baskotin]

Bro I feel so bad for people with parents like that, only ruins lives.

[@jimerodriguez8332]

They seem to use the verb to be in a convenient way for them ,Its sad and mind boggling.

[@andrewkoster6506]

it's completely different from being gay because it requires a lot more self-hate and a higher tolerance for cognitive dissonance

[@CircusFoxxo]

You should have made a stronger attempt to be "in touch" with her 😉

[@Urine_]

​@@CircusFoxxo😒

[@theoboekid0726]

As someone who 1) is queer, and 2) used to be a part of this religion, this is literally the path that people take. The options for queer mormons are to stay single, enter a beard relationship, or leave the church. They literally have resources and testimonials for queer youth "Struggling with same sex attraction" (yes, that is the term used by the church) where people will "experience same sex attraction" and then enter a heterosexual marriage with God "at the enter" and be happy. That's the way that it goes. This show is more real than most reality TV.

[@liky7244]

i went through the exact same thing. i came out at 13, born into the church, and have still active family members who dont quite understand. it truly is sad to think how many people might be denying this part of themselves out of fear of their salvation or being looked down on by their ward members :/

[@MeeYeeWeeWee]

Can you explain the show about the swingers because I assumed Mormons didn't do that lol

[@aliceramdom.s]

thats messed up thou

[@CHESShireCat]

Ok I read this comment wrong and I thought it was saying that they made people get heterosexually married to God. And I was like, even if they’re men? How does that work (personally I don’t see God as having a gender but I know that Mormons specifically see God as a man)

[@oasntet]

@@MeeYeeWeeWee polygamy and swinging are different things. The LDS officially banned polygamy, but some offshoot sects still practice it quietly.

[@partyrat666]

someone needs to airlift these guys to a gay nightclub stat, theyre in dire conditions omllll this entire show looks so painful to watch 💀💀💀

[@elphbwckd212]

I feel really bad for these guys, and the women who are married to them. There is no way they will ever be truly fulfilled in their hearts. To deny what is very clear is just sad. I'm not mad at them, they were raised a certain way, but it is sad to see people struggle this way.

[@GrimNephilim]

😂 it's not real at all. Its reality tv.

[@bigcheese1061]

@@GrimNephilimyeah but many people do live like this

[@HobbolinGobbolin]

@@GrimNephilim It's a real thing that happens though, usually called Lavender marriages. whether it's financial, religious, or social.

[@losj3020]

@@HobbolinGobbolin correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik lavender marriage doesn't have the same connotation as whatever this is. In lavender marriage the queer person is not struggling with their own orientation or identity. They're doing it for protection and the marriage itself isn't built out of guilt

[@Xstargojo]

I feel bad for the woman only, how can you be with someone for years, never tell them you love them, have children, then turn around and claim that you’re gay? Maybe if they didn’t know or was questioning, but to think they willfully got into a long term relationship is just cruel.

[@quizzitykae]

I grew up mormon and this kind of thing happens a lot. I left around age 14 because I kept being told that my attractions were wrong, that I had no power as a woman and had to be subservient to a man. Obviously they don't word it that way because it sounds bad, and the mormon church is really good at making things sound "good" But I had a friend in high school that was gay and very adamant about how his queerness was actually just another hurdle that god gave him to overcome. Shit made me so sad, bro. There is a good ending, though. I recently found him on insta and he's been in a queer relationship for a while and they run a cute little soap business, haha.

[@senaawl]

awe, that soap business sounds wholesome

[@egoreirich789]

Is his name Tyler Durden?

[@tempura8976]

Aww! That sounds so nice, I’m really happy for them :)

[@C0SM1XXS]

fellow (semi) mormon :D i dont exactly agree with all of the stuff the church says, but im still in it i guess 0.0

[@quizzitykae]

@@C0SM1XXS Lol I am absolutely not a part of the church anymore. I left around 12 years ago when I was 14ish. The lds church is extremely homophobic and misogynistic in their core beliefs. I'm not saying you are or that every member is, and I'm genuinely glad for you if that belief system makes you happy. For me personally though, I can't be a part of a system that pities my existence.

[@Funkbeat_W]

Exmormon here. Your trio of danny, drew and yourself were some of the first "unsacred" content i watched. Hell, i was still mormon and i refused to watch you dr witnesser video lol, but i definetly owe it to you guys and my brother who introduced me to see that not every single not family friendly thing was bad, and without the clever comedy you guys had, i may not have seen it that way. I fortunately never ended up having significant trauma, but i worry what would happen if i stayed.

[@classiccj2569]

I can confidently tell you 99% of members watch "unsacred" content. Some watch R rated movies and shows. I have no idea what you mean by significant trauma, nothing would have happened if you stayed. You could watch these videos perfectly fine

[@spookeymo]

@@classiccj2569 they tell you they have trauma and you say "bullshit mormonism would never do that to you". please reflect on it a little

[@Funkbeat_W]

@classiccj2569 nothing would've happened? Look at my religious family who caused me trauma (trauma directly corrolated to LDS, mind you) and what I meant by significant trauma is that i feel like comparing my experience to others I probably got the long end of the stick.

[@classiccj2569]

@@spookeymo sure there are families who could induce trauma on their kid, but the church wouldn't directly traumatize a kid. I'd also like to mention that it's not "mormonism" we are Christian. We don't follow Mormon or praise Mormon, we praise Jesus. We are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Ya it's a long name, but you can't leave Jesus's name out of it because He is the cornerstone of the church.

[@classiccj2569]

@@Funkbeat_W you still explained nothing. All you said in reply to me saying "I don't know how you have trauma" is "I have trauma." I'm not trying to discredit you or say it's impossible for you to have trauma because you were in the church. There can still be families who might traumatize their child. But the church directly wouldn't induce trauma. Just saying that it's "directly correlated to LDS" says nothing

[@paradoxthaifandub7852]

As a buddist i don't think homosexuality is sin

[@ideac.]

Based

[@SCROTUMM]

Did the lgptybsjd people pick you yet?

[@faiirysomi]

​@@SCROTUMM did u seriously wrote 30 comments on a channel you don't even enjoy in hope somebody would take in what u have to say

[@SCROTUMM]

@@faiirysomi YES

[@laurii0512]

@@SCROTUMM huh???

[@sparkpenguin]

"i'm damaging myself psychologically for life and setting an example of that for my children and my wife is complicit in it and also she and my kids were only ever an ambition and not a passion no matter how much i love them now"

[@ChelseaDust-wg6pf]

that is so tragic 😥

[@dannycascade7519]

"Only an ambition, not a passion" damn that's good

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@joshkeating7825]

You and Chadchad really have perfected the art of ear candy comedy; the sound clips are friggin hilarious sometimes.

[@mhenderson7673]

I paused the video and when I pressed play I was hit with, "naked men..." *sexy music*

[@cawrhy]

Big agree, they’ve gotten really good at this whole KZbin thing.

[@alexx12545]

the "ewwwwww" after he talked about priests balls had me dying lmaooo 2:20

[@TheTransTankie]

“We can’t believe it either, mayor!” We all shout in unison

[@themostcertified4377]

WE CAN’T BELIEVE IT EITHER, MAYOR!

[@zackbinspinn]

We can’t believe it either, mayor!

[@v.xien.]

I can.

[@ville-c4u]

M.Y C.o..ntent IS .WAY. BE.TTER TH_AN THIS :Ñ~~Ñ . . . ....

[@Fireman_Epic]

WE CAN'T BELIEVE IT EITHER, MAYOR!

[@nicostring]

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED KURTIS’ VOICE SOUNDS DIFFERENT??? idk if ive been watching too many of his old vids or what but istg his balls dropped

[@安然-x9t]

according to his reddit he is sick, I hope he gets well soon

[@NotSarahLee358]

A lot of people mentioned it lol😅

[@Prince_Rain]

Dude, the fact that you're surprised by anything anymore is a surprise

[@IAmDominiXX]

@@ville-c4u kurtis is popular enough to get spam bot comments in the replies lets go

[@ville-c4u]

@@IAmDominiXX sped comment but okay

[@Jackson_Ratkai]

@@ville-c4u lol

[@mattcooper7140]

@@ville-c4u not being a bot and typing this in comments is more embarrassing and sped than anything🤧

[@LunarEleven]

For me it's never that I CAN'T believe it, it's that I don't WANT to.

[@warm.t33th]

My family is mormon and my cousin is currently going through this, its so upsetting to see. He’s confided in me about being attracted to men and has dated men in the past, but is still in deep deep denial. I just wish he could be happy, it hurts seeing him beat himself up for not being able to change his sexuality.

[@JTrent-im4qb]

I was that kid. Adults that were safe spaces, not trying to push hard either way (you have to embrace yourself! Or you have to hide to be "worthy"), just accept me exactly as I was, were life saving. Eventually, I did open up to self-acceptance because I went to a queer Mormon youth thing (not sponsored by the church obviously). I HIGHLY recommend looking into Affirmation. It's an organization that just embraces you exactly where you are in your LGBTQ/Mormon journey. This was also life saving for me. They have youth specific programs Definitely the Mama Dragons too, they're a group of moms of LGBTQ+ kids with some sort of history with Mormonism. They have a very strong network of support across the country for "baby dragons" (queer/trans Mormon youth)

[@thesinfulyogini2073]

Poor baby

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@nyphira]

Stay in good contact with him. He prolly needs ppl like you around him desperately and when shit goes down

[@maelpire]

So, if I understand what you say at the end correctly about LDS not making conversion therapies anymore, they went from "let's torture gay people" to "let make gay people torture themselves".

[@CobraFat2000]

They switched from stick shift to automatic.

[@kayemckeeth2301]

This breaks my heart. As someone who was ex Mormon and chose myself instead of God when the time came to choose... It's just heartbreaking these men just decided to be true to a religion that truly doesn't give a shit about them.

[@theterriblemonarch]

kurtis is if the most bisexual man was created then last minute they flipped a switch that made him straight but kept everything else

[@astrowolvez]

🤣

[@ville-c4u]

Sped comment but okay

[@Hydrophobiqe]

@@ville-c4uwe love the ableism king!

[@PinnePon]

​@@ville-c4uwhat on earth are you talking about? Weirdo

[@didik3327]

@@ville-c4uwhat does this even mean!! ableist freak!

[@miathompson3880]

Hey Kurtis! Just wanna say I appreciate how you handled the subject matter and pointed out how deeply sad it is to suppress your sexuality out of fear of going to hell rather than just making fun of those guys

[@he.said.teenjiejer]

i did feel like there was a good balance of humor and like. genuine sadness

[@kaiculus]

why does it sound like kurtis went through a second puberty

[@STEVEARABIA1]

Either he’s super not gay today, or getting over a cold.

[@Dem0nly]

dude right im scared

[@pompomspinkles]

literally?? this is not my mayor-

[@simplyjustbrii]

I thought I was going crazy because I just came from his last vid and I noticed the voice change

[@almond-dt8mn]

fr why is his voice so deep

[@mythomaster3128]

Moment of appreciation for the fact that becaus the second leg of the world tour is in Australia the art is upside down

[@Nitrolord]

The fact that some bronze age dudes thousands of years ago got it in their heads that love is bad if the lovers both have the same genitals and we're still dealing with the consequences in 2024 is batshit insane

[@whowhy7554]

Fr I wanna see what the world would have looked like if people were more open minded back then, like a parallel universe type deal

[@AxelleHTTS]

They didn’t. It’s a translation/transcription problem

[@aetoreous]

didn’t you get exposed

[@hikariluanGC]

And they say humans are the rational animal. We, as a species, don't think much, make much sense and classify ourselves as 'thinking beings'. It is so crappy that we cannot use our own brains properly.

[@hannerikruger7216]

​@@aetoreousexposed for what

[@ailement]

2:21 cant believe him, said balls without the barbie clip

[@robbieboydudeguy]

im literally shaking how could he do this

[@noahg23]

Unsubscribed immediately

[@shineinstars]

WE'RE LOSING HIM

[@Sofia-wh9jr]

He is changing....

[@cayleece7890]

The end of an Era 😢🕊

[@yepthatart3mis]

I love how SSA is literally ASS backwards lol (edited to say) thanks for the upvotes lol yes I know it’s not upvotes.

[@Fortnoodle]

Lol

[@iampotsataja]

Not the Australian Secret Service!

[@Anna-jf1vy]

The whole thing is ass backwards too LMAO

[@Fortnoodle]

@@iampotsataja oh no

[@mesmartgnome]

The whole show is ass backwards 🤣🤣

[@Kimdokjamygoat]

why is kurtis' voice so deep this video

[@stasialii]

Perfect timing, needed something to watch while doing my school stuff which I end up not doing

[@savannahacevedo]

SAME

[@savannahacevedo]

He posted like perfect timing I was gonna watch his other videos

[@ville-c4u]

M.Y C.o..ntent IS .WAY. BE.TTER TH_AN THIS :Ñ~~Ñ . . . ....

[@arai_thegirlinatrance]

Same

[@gmkitten1108]

Real 😭

[@zimzalaboom47]

Hey folks 👏🏻 As a kurtistown citizen for years and a raised tried and true ex Mormon gay boy this has felt soooo full circle for me :) seeing my fav KZbinr validate the crazyness that is Mormon homophobia felt amazing, thank you Kurtis and thanks for making kurtistown a place where us gays are not just safe but welcome and loved ❤️🧡💛💚💙🩷

[@spookeymo]

happy that you left!!! im sure it wasnt easy!

[@tb4546]

I’m so proud of you for leaving and continuing to pursue your best life

[@slim.quaidy]

Also queer, raised Mormon! Was forced to go until the day I turned 18 🥲 they don’t believe in gay marriage but believe the bullshit Joseph smith spewed to be able to marry and sleep with underage girls 🙃

[@rosecitykitty]

👏👏👏

[@kimym9270]

i grew up jw as a bisexual girl which is a pretty similar experience lol I'm glad we both made it out okay❤

[@ciervero]

"There is a lot of SSA in Argentina. There is a big problem down there too" As a fellow argentinian I just found out. Thanks for the data man

[@MrShadic140]

As someome also from Argentina i also just found out, where are the femboys hiding?

[@lolololxd456]

KURTIS COME TO ARGENTINA!! LOTS OF GAY PEOPLE YAYYY

[@milacolman]

Busqué que significa ssa y me salió social security administration y quedé ???

[@ORIONSTARGATE]

my first thought was "what problem??" LOL

[@julyrmstrng]

inmediatamente pensé en el meme de la selección de "está prohibido en argentina ser hetero?" jsjdjdj

[@xchara6996]

22:52 he jst explained bisexuality im flying away😭

[@Ske1et0n45]

fr im in the stratosphere 😭

[@juggerpsych]

fun fact, remember gay marriage was only nationally legal in the US after 2015!! not even 10 years ago. genuinely baffles me how it took that long yk

[@hnichole]

What's really unbelievable too is that we might regress back to that time when gay marriage wasn't legal. Even if no laws are formally changed, it feels like we've already regressed to that point socially with the goblin (as Kurtis put it lol) as the next president. It's genuinely embarrassing to be American right now because how did people make such an awful and idiotic choice in 2024. I feel lucky to live in a very blue state, but I feel so sad for all the people who don't and are about to go through this nonsense of their rights being up in the air again.

[@Kirbultra]

gay men should not be able to marry

[@chattychatotchannel]

marriage equality still doesn't exist for disabled people nowadays as disabled people will lose their benefits and medicine which they need to live but people don't talk about it like they do marriage inequality for gay people. I say this as a queer disabled woman

[@rg-wormwood]

fnaf came out before gay marriage

[@petragrump]

Polyamorous marriage is also not legal yet.

[@MrHam-sk3kr]

It's been 1,271 days since Kurtis' last extra greeting, and I still have not emotionally recovered

[@amiistardust]

thank god for u omg i lost count like four months ago

[@theavocadodealer2345]

Is this true? This is heartbreaking I didn’t know it had been this long

[@MrHam-sk3kr]

@@theavocadodealer2345 it was over 3 years ago. The first bratz vs Barbie’s video was the first without it

[@aneku5405]

I’ve been thinking about this for so long…

[@courtneyoo]

I’ve been rewatching his old videos so much and yes. extra greeting is missed

[@jakob_mil8343]

1:42 small correction, 1500 documented. There’s probably way way more, cause it’s not something you see everyday and not something that’s equally clear in all species

[@DellenoftheDell]

Im a zoologist, and as stated by one of my professors: “Where we look for it, we find it.”

[@oasntet]

The number of insect species that are obligate practitioners of incest is staggering, so it might be good to limit the reach just to animals with a vaguely similar lifecycle to humans'.

[@Emma-es8il]

he did say “over” 1500… but you’re right! i think it’s such a cool fact :-)

[@godslaughter]

Another zoologist and ethologist here, and I am of a firm belief that every single species that has a common social gender and sex "binary" has at least one individual who could be considered "queer". The cool thing about studying and understanding other lifeforms is figuring out that expressions, social norms, cultures and experiences are sometimes very similar to ours, but sometimes incomprehensible to us as well. That's why "queer" is the best term here. Some ancient human cultures had homosexuality so normalised it was just daily life, therefore they wouldn't have referred to themselves as "homosexual". And in this similar sense, a gender or sexuality in humans might be differently perceived in snakes or weevils, for example. There are individuals among non-human animals who could be considered asexual or transgender in our terms as well, but compared to us, they don't tend to have any social stigma placed upon them, so someone who is e.g. a male individual but prefers to socially express themselves as feminine for their species, to their peers they wouldn't be transgender, they just *Would Be.* I find that beautiful, and that's something we could have as well if people weren't assigned genders. But all in all, queerness is in all of us, to some extent. We're a bunch of cells who all share genes with others. These experiences that we have are so incredibly simple yet complex. It's endearing to know that you're never really alone and that you can find friends everywhere. And yes, this number is strictly about documented examples, not about the precise number.

[@jtor1996]

Weird correction but alright

[@rainbowgaasm]

Their gay panic scale is actually pretty real and accurate, being a gay teen was tough man

[@1313TommyGun]

Bi bulls? Whats next...bisons? 😂

[@luizearaujo5844]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAH

[@petermmm42]

thought doter or bison

[@tikitytoks2094]

GET OUT

[@strwbrrymilk7270]

kurtis hit puberty 😢 his voice got so deep, beautiful growing boy ❤

[@brit331]

Wait i noticed this too 🤣

[@Littleguyemil]

My boys on testosterone he’s not gay he’s transjenner

[@crownclowncreations]

Thank god, it’s not just me going insane!

[@JDMI5674]

@@Littleguyemilthe fact that I can’t tell if this is a joke or not makes me very sad. Fuck tranvestigation bullshit.

[@nobodyspecial7759]

thats a grown ass man

[@eddiee5900]

SSA stands for side - side - angle, and it means a triangle with known lengths of two sides and one known angle that is not between the two sides (math blog team 2017).

[@bluehairandpronouns100]

omg pink triangle! its all coming together...

[@Psp10112tjq]

Same I thought it was about triangle congruency lol 😭🤚

[@smart_c00ki3]

Oh well no wonder that acronym had sounded familiar!

[@Yoanka]

I'm not sure who an angle is, but I hope those two sides and their third partner are happy together. lol

[@theresivy]

we have danny kissing himself, and now kurtis kissing himself, cant wait to see drew kiss himself someday lol

[@aidanlewis3653]

I AM SO SO SO GLAD THAT I GREW UP IN A SUPPORTIVE CHURCH, MY PASTOR ALWAYS MAKES A POINT TO PUT "Loving thy neighbor" OVER YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS AND BIASES

[@HazelDogfr]

EXACTLY, you can be religious and be gay/an alley

[@solidarnosc14]

@@HazelDogfr minecraft allay reference chat?

[@briclare]

yes! i’m lutheran and there’s very much and underlying ‘we don’t talk about it’ but my pastor was very clear that straight, gay, trans, you were welcome in church and God loved you!

[@c00chieman48]

no need to yell girl 😭

[@aidanlewis3653]

@@briclare Fr and not to mention the whole transphobia issue within various religious communities in general. You don't have to agree that there are more than two genders, but purposefully disrespecting and mocking someone who took their time to explain what they prefer to be called by is honestly just gross.

[@psychxos]

not kurtis putting on his super straight/oil worker canadian dude voice for the intro (I’m canadian, there’s such a specific tone)

[@phoenix5142]

I thought he sounded different I was so confused thought I was going crazy😭

[@XavMarz]

@@phoenix5142 same bruh

[@avril6922]

His voice sounds deeper through the whole vid

[@linasomeday2049]

more-men joke was underappreciated kurt