Laguna 12|16 Lathe "Deep Dive" Examination

Laguna 1216 lathe is available here: amzn.to/31ORrwm
Deep dive examination of the new Laguna 1216 mid-sized lathe by Paul Mayer of ToolMetrix. Laguna 1216 is a new mid-sized or midi lathe offering that competes directly with the Jet line of midi lathes. It's good for both bowl and spindle turning. In this video I take a deep dive examination of the major feature set for this lathe. You'll see it in action on both spindle turning and bowl turning. All of the lathe accessories are shown here as well.
This is a great lathe for beginners and experienced turners alike. Plenty of power on this lathe for turning, and you can even turn outboard. Turning outboard gives you more capacity, and outboard turning is more ergonomic as well. Given the choice between outboard turning and normal turning, I would choose outboard turning every single time. Scooping out the middle of a bowl is so much easier when you turn outboard.
I believe that this is the best midi lathe in its class on the market today. Turn a platter. Turn a bowl. Turn a pen. Turn a candlestick holder. Turn a pepper mill. This midi lathe has the power and capacity to turn whatever you want within it's specifications.

[@matthewfrey1948]

Paul, thanks for the concise review. I found your video after watching a couple others and it was your review that answered all my concerns and questions and directed my choice to the Laguna. First rate review. After finishing with your video I made my mind up and ordered one off of woodcraft. I was a little leaary of the other tools in this market based on some of their reviews and was hesitant to make a choice. I appreciate your efforts in making the review.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks, Matthew. I appreciate the feedback. Enjoy your new lathe!

[@sakaj]

I contacted the Lagunacompany and spoke with Brian. Great person! He advised they decided to get rid of the pre-drilled holes on top of the headstock. He sent me an "L" bracket for free. Appreciated his prompt service. Thanks Mike for replying!

[@ToolMetrix]

Great outcome! Thanks for sharing the story. Cheers, Paul

[@GusRiker]

Great review, mine is coming out of the box tomorrow - your videos sold it for me.

[@ToolMetrix]

Awesome. Thanks for the feedback. Hope you love your new lathe!

[@kerbyfab]

Awesome, thanks. That wasn’t a long wait.

[@ToolMetrix]

My pleasure. Thanks for watching.

[@pthsdo]

Wow, excellent review with great detail and thoughtful analysis.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks, Philip. Cheers, Paul

[@adgieem1]

I found you at the exact right time. I am going tomorrow to buy this exact lathe and accessories . Thank you.

[@ToolMetrix]

Glad I could help and I hope that you love your new lathe!

[@David-pd8xc]

Great review! I'm shopping for my first lathe and think this would be a good place to start and hopefully meet future needs as I learn and grow in the hobby.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks David. I’d say this would probably fit the bill. If you want to do a lot of bowl turning you might consider a larger machine such as the 1836. But for spindle and small bowls this one is pretty awesome.

[@choptlivah]

I just ordered one!! I can’t wait!

[@ToolMetrix]

Congrats and Enjoy!

[@darrenbaugh6579]

Thanks for the review.

[@ToolMetrix]

🤜💥🤛

[@monarchWS]

Thank you for this review and demonstration. I’ve been considering several brands and your video points me to purchase this Laguna. I hope our Woodcraft store has inventory.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks for your feedback. There should be plenty of these available at the moment. I just picked up six of them for the vetsturn program and the recipients received them within 1-2 weeks and they are already making chips!

[@markdarus8540]

Awesome sharing! Thank you.

[@ToolMetrix]

🙏

[@waterfordrs22]

That is a beautiful midi lathe. Great review, thank you.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks Robert.

[@waterfordrs22]

ToolMetrix is there a better value in lathes today? Jet seems to offer a lot of lathe for the money.... Powermatic would be cool, Robust lathes are spectacular..... This Laguna line is where I'd first put some serious consideration however. It just seems tremendous regardless of the value as I see it..... I kind of wish maybe they had a 16x22 in there..... given where this and the next size up falls in terms of price, maybe there isn't room. Decisions decisions.

[@ToolMetrix]

It's tricky to do a value comparison on this particular model because of the unique feature set with outboard turning and PWM. In general I believe that Laguna is carving a niche for themselves by providing high end lathes at an attractive price point. They are definitely taking market share from Powermatic, Nova and Jet in a huge way with the 1836 and 2436, and I see them dominating this market within a few years. In the midi category, it will be interesting. Jet does well here, along with some smaller players. It seems like a more fragmented market than in the higher end lathes where just a few players dominate. Laguna's strategy here seems to be different, with a product that is highly differentiated and a price point that is not chasing the rock bottom, but is competitive for what the product includes. I agree with you on the 16x22 comment, and I would be surprised if we didn't see something in this range from them in the next couple years. It's the obvious gap in their product line at the moment. And yes, I agree that Robust lathes are a site to behold. Out of my price range, but beautiful. I haven't had an opportunity to play with one, but hopefully someday. Having said all that, I can't imagine what I could do on a Robust that I couldn't do on a Laguna 2436. But the American-made appeal is there, and it is a great story of a small company with a great product and a passion for their customers.

[@waterfordrs22]

ToolMetrix we are on the same page. Funny thing about Laguna's 18x36" for me isn't so much the price in the way- not that I have the money laying around mind you, but I believe it is a superb value.... For myself it's more about space issues and practicality though who needs to be practical right? This lathe here, after seeing your review and other videos- It's in impulse buy territory for sure..... for my spacial needs, I could fit a lathe with this length bed and my old Rockwell for spindle work which is really what it was designed for. I guess I'll put the credit card away, start to save and hope for maybe a 16x22" comes along. That would be my best case scenario.

[@HandmadeWithAshley]

Great, through review. I'm saving up for one :D

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks, Ashley

[@ToolMetrix]

Just subscribed to your channel btw. Nice work!

[@pizzawarlord9232]

Finally a quality mid lathe with full features

[@bcrash11]

It is looking like that, but where is it being sold, I cannot find it anywhere

[@davidgraham2673]

@@bcrash11 Woodcraft stores carry them, and there's lots of these stores. Chances are pretty good there's one withing driving distance.

[@bcrash11]

@@davidgraham2673 Thanks I bought one two weeks ago, broke out of the box, Laguna is supposed to be replacing but they cannot say when because they don't have any nor do they know when they will get them.

[@davidgraham2673]

@@bcrash11 , I'm sorry to hear that. Laguna has a great reputation for quality. I think it was just bad luck. Hope it works out. This is the lathe I badly want asap.

[@ToolMetrix]

Yep, it really hits the mark.

[@forloveofthegrain]

Great review as always I just got the revo 1836 wish it had some of the features as the 1216 like the out board turning on the back of the headstock. And that tool storage is great.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks, Richard. I agree with you on the tool storage. That would be really nice on the 1836. As far as outboard turning, I like the way that it's done on the 1836. I find sliding the headstock down easier than moving and realigning the bed extension on the other side of the headstock each time. Hope you love the 1836! I've got a big pile of bowl blanks accumulating right now as we had a lot of tree removal done this month in the neighborhood, so I'll be spending a lot of time in front of my lathe over the holidays. Can't imaging more fun in the shop than that.

[@JDMc-wv3yj]

Great detailed review! Thanks for sharing your thoughts here

[@JDMc-wv3yj]

Do you know if this lathe is US made?

[@ToolMetrix]

@@JDMc-wv3yj It is not. The only lathe that I'm aware of that is made in the US these days is Robust. The Robust Scout is comparable, same size motor with a bit more capacity for both bowls and spindles. Approximately 3X the price of the Laguna 1216.

[@JDMc-wv3yj]

ToolMetrix great. Thanks again for all you help!

[@JDMc-wv3yj]

I am now a proud owner of this lathe and stand thanks to your video!!! It is fantastic. Great upgrade from my 70’s model 12” Craftsman lathe

[@ToolMetrix]

That’s great! If you’re on FACEBOOK come join us in the Laguna lathe user group.

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

Great job on the review. You covered a lot of ground in a short period of time. I bought one and will be doing a video review next week. I put mine on a lathe cart I built so I would have more storage room.

[@ToolMetrix]

Great idea on the cart. I definitely need more storage. I’m drowning in lathe gear! I appreciate the feedback and looking forward to your review.

[@ToolMetrix]

I just subscribed to your channel btw. GREAT set of content you have there, Mike. Cheers, Paul

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

@@ToolMetrix I find taking the time to develop an effective storage solution for my lathe gear helps.

[@Sklallamstrong]

That's a helpful video, thank you. I'm considering this model, the jet, or perhaps the shop fox or rikon which are both cheaper... but I'm leaning towards this one.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks for your feedback.

[@brentmayer5580]

Thanks for the review! I have interest in this lathe. My question concerns the PWM controller. I've read where some of these motors will trip a gfci circuit. Are you running this lathe on a gfci protected circuit and experienced any issues? My shop is in garage and all gfci controlled circuits.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Brent, interesting question. I hadn’t heard anything about that. My shop is all GFI and I haven’t had any problems. If anyone else has used this machine on a GFCI circuit please chime in.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Hey Paul, I'm new to woodturning. What make/model of tool rests have you found to work on this machine. I especially like the curved one you showed, but longer straight ones would be very beneficial for longer spindle pieces. Is the factory stand and stand wheels worth the $$$? Is there a longer extention beyond 10"? Thanks for any info.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi John, First, welcome to the world of woodturning. The post size on the 1216 s 1", so any tool rest with a 1" post should work. Be sure to get one with a shorter post or you might have to cut it shorter. The curved ones that I've used include: Robust 9" J curved rest for midi lathe amzn.to/2YMTyip Robust 14" J curved rest amzn.to/2KYJlZY Here is a 15" wide Robust, which should work fine: amzn.to/2Nc8MO6 .

[@brendanstemp684]

Geat review. Thorough. How have you secured the chuck or faceplate when you have the spindle running in reverse to do outboard turning? I have used a Laguna 18/36 about 2 years ago and my only criticism of it was the locking system for the tool rest post. It simply didn't clamp the post tight enough which meant the tool rest kept slipping downwards. The system is good in theory but... I hope they have found a way to fix it. Perhaps they have a bigger clamping lever.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Brendan, thank you for your feedback. It sounds like something was out of tolerance with the lathe that you were using. I have seen where people complain about the short handle on the 1836 banjo, and they add a pipe over the top of it to extend it. I saw where someone threaded on an extension that they turned. I had an 1836 in my shop for a couple years and I did feel that the handle should have been longer, but I never had a problem with the tool rest coming loose. I now have a Laguna 2436 and they made the handle longer and the locking mechanism seems smoother.

[@rrg1964]

Paul, what chuck are you using on the 1216 ? Thanks, great review !

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks RG. It’s a Nova G3. Insert type. I really like it.

[@beav1962]

Hi, does the lighted readout stay on all the time (unless unplugged) ? And, if so, would that mean it could burn out after a while? I just got mine a few days ago, and I haven't seen the readout go off.

[@ToolMetrix]

It does stay on. I suppose that it could burn out but probably not for a long time. On the 1524 they added a switch to control the power to the headstock including the display.

[@MichaelCraig-bi3wj]

Great review of this midi lathe so I bought one. I ran into problems getting it right off. The people I bought it from never informed me it was back ordered so I had to wait 30 days and I finally got the lathe, only problem is I ordered the stand and bed extension with it and it wasn't with the lathe when delivered. I called the company and they told me Laguna over sold these lathes and parts so the stand won't be here for another 30 days and the bed extension even another 30 days. Looks like I will just have to wait. The lathe is sitting on my shop floor waiting for all the other options to arrive.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Michael, sorry to hear that you are having this experience. I have been hearing that Laguna is back-ordered on this lathe, and it is surprising to hear that your dealer was not aware of that. Most people are saying that their dealer is aware of the delay, and orders are only taken after setting expectations of the delay. Either way, it is a bummer when you're excited about the tool and you have to wait. Maybe set it up on a workbench or temporary stand for now, and at least get some use out of the machine while you are waiting for the other components to arrive.

[@lmallard3788]

About the indexing, are guidelines provided or is that something to learn from classes on turning?

[@ToolMetrix]

I don’t remember what is in the manual but you will probably want to watch some KZbin videos on the subject either way.

[@dannyholzhauser6407]

well this is my next purchase. glad i found your review i was wondering about the options. i have a china model 200. 14 inch lathe now that i spend more time fixing than turning but found out i absolutely love turning. so after combing through hundreds of recommendations for record and nova etc. not knowing if i would want bigger that 12 capacity decided that FOR MY BUDGET. i cant go wrong this way replaceable brgs 2 year warranty 16 inch outboard turning. and a beefy stand hope i cant go wrong here.

[@ToolMetrix]

Good reasoning. Let me know what you think when you get it.

[@josephtianello8115]

I just bought the Laguna 1216 Midi Lathe. What turning tools or turning tool kits do you suggest. And what manufacture of the turning tools is the best to look into?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Joseph, congrats! Hope you love it, as I'm sure that you will. Your question is a great one as there is lots to research on this. I really need to do a video on that topic. For now, here are my thoughts: - You’ll want to get some chisels to help you get started. Here’s a great set of chisels to get you started on both bowl and spindle turning: amzn.to/2SxSlJn. If you want to avoid the learning curve and equipment required for sharpening, you could go with carbide tools. Lots of people prefer these. I use both carbide and traditional, and I see merit to both. If you want to go that route, you could go with EZ Wood which is a great premium brand amzn.to/2WdnzLV, or for a more economical option these look pretty decent and seem to get good reviews amzn.to/2MiJHQ8. - If you are going to turn bowls, I recommend getting a four-jaw chuck which gives you great efficiency and control (don’t need this for spindle turning). I have several, but this is my favorite because it holds on tightly and can be used on either a 1” spindle or a 1-1/4” spindle by using an adaptor: amzn.to/2Qqk8Ks . It’s the one that I used in this video and is perfect for the 1216. - Don’t turn without wearing a full face shield. I have this one and it works great: amzn.to/2VrzXDQ. If you want the “ultimate face shield”, check out this one that is ventilated (you can find a review on my channel): amzn.to/2PZieB8 - You’ll also want a low speed grinding wheel for sharpening your chisels if you go with traditional high speed steel tools (as opposed to carbide insert tooling). Here is the one that I use and it works well. amzn.to/2u642gl - You will also want a sharpening jig because it makes all the difference for turning. Here’s the one that I use, and I consider it to be the best one out there. amzn.to/2fxJR6s

[@bcrash11]

Great review and thank you for sharing, I noticed and it might only be the video but when you tightened the banjo when outboard turning it looked like the extension flexed and the tool rest was shaking when you were turning. How solid is the extinction when turning. I am impressed with what I have seen so far but that does have me a little concerned. I have been contemplating the 18-36 but really do not have the space and not sure if I would turn such large items and I think the 12-16 might be perfect for me. Thanks and I look forward to hearing back from you.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Richard, thanks for your feedback. I believe that what happened was that for that shot in the video I had just popped the extension over to the outboard side and didn't fully tighten it. I can see that it is on their very loosely when I tighten down the banjo. When it is tightened it doesn't flex like that at all, and it stands up very well for outboard turning. My apologies for this goof. As much as I like the 1216, it's not in the same league as the 1836. The 1612 is great for spindles and an occasional bowl, but if you really want to get into bowl turning, you won't regret stepping up to the 1836. If you don't have the space you don't have the space, but if you can find a way... :)

[@randyclary8144]

Richard Chaddock

[@bcrash11]

@@ToolMetrix Thanks Much appreciated.

[@d.h.shearer2206]

I recently purchased a 12/16 and absolutely love it! Question: Should I unplug it between uses? Or should I just let the LED RPM light (reading 000) stay on all the time? Thanks a million.

[@ToolMetrix]

Great to hear! I leave mine plugged in for many days in a row while I’m actively using it, but when I’m out of “turning mode” I unplug it. I’m not sure that is the “right “ approach but I haven’t had any problems.

[@d.h.shearer2206]

@@ToolMetrix Thanks! It gives off an interesting blue glow in the workshop at night. I appreciate your reply.

[@randyclary8144]

Does the tailstock eject the life Center or do you need a ride to type it out thank you

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Randy, yes the tailstock quill ejects the live center when you retract it.

[@jeffstocco3230]

Thanks for your great review of the Laguna 1524. I purchased the Laguna LED light, but from pictures of the lathe it appears as if I need another bracket, perhaps l-shaped? Can you help? Thanks.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks Jeff. I believe that they include a bracket but I don’t recall having one. Probably best to ask Laguna about that.

[@bgarnreiter89]

Hello Sir! Fantastic review, quick question: I have a Jet 1015 1/2hp motor that I love, but I am looking for the next step. Do you think this would be too small a step and I should just wait for a larger 1.5hp motor maybe, or pull the trigger? Amazing review, and thanks again!

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Brandon, with double the horsepower the 1216 would be a nice step up. But it depends what you are wanting to do. To me, the 1216 is a great lathe if you turn 80% (or more) spindles and 20% bowls. If you really want to get into bowl turning I’d suggest looking at a 1.5 HP lathe. The difference is significant.

[@bgarnreiter89]

@@ToolMetrix Thank you SO much for the tip! I am definitely more interested in bowl turning going forward, so that is a great tip. Thank you again I really appreciate it!

[@bbrown1269]

Does the lathe come with everything needed to do outboard turning? Or would I have to purchase some sort of adapter?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi B, thanks for your question. You would need to purchase the 10" extension kit which comes with the riser for your banjo. There is also an extension for the spindle that you will need if you want to use a chuck, and I believe that it comes with the lathe itself but you'll want to be sure.

[@jimmyg62]

Just wondering if you checked the run out on the out broad adapter. Mine had 10 thousand on the first one and now I have 6 thousands on the third one. Laguna say 6 thousands is normal. Seems like a lot. Great video, like to see more on out broad turning.

[@ToolMetrix]

I don't remember checking that. Here's a video where I turned a salad board outboard on that lathe: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIqXmKh5gb-jla8

[@sakaj]

Question: I bought this lathe and it came yesterday. From my understanding, the headstock was supposed to come pre-drilled/tapped to attach the light accessory. Mine did not have the holes pre-drilled or tapped on the headstock. Did anyone else run into this? If so, what did you do to correct short of sending the lathe back? Thanks

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I see that they sell a $15 heavy metal angle bracket for the light at Woodcraft.

[@ToolMetrix]

Mine came pre-drilled. But Mike's right (as usual), and there is a bracket available as well. Here is a link: lagunatoolstest.com/product/accessories/lathe-accessories/revo-lathe-accessories/revo-1216-headstock-l-bracket

[@thegreener196]

does your rpm read out panel stay illuminated when the lathe switch is off?

[@ToolMetrix]

Yep

[@josephtianello8115]

What do you suggest to use on the Laguna Midi 12/16 Lathe on the bed to prevent rust from forming on it

[@ToolMetrix]

I use this stuff on my table saw and jointer and it works pretty well: amzn.to/2sptTCd. I think car wax would probably work as well or better, and because there isn't a direct contact between the project and the lathe bed you wouldn't have to be as concerned about interfering with the finish. People get very concerned about that on table saws. Your best bet is to cover the lathe when you're not using it, using any tarp. In particular, the HTC breathable tarps work great: amzn.to/2EC58px. But if you don't want to spend that kind of dough, you can get one of the $5 ones from the home center and it will do a much better job than no cover at all. Some people find that a non-breathable tarp will trap moisture and cause rust problems, but I haven't experienced that.

[@johnriley9507]

I turn mostly 6” to 10” bowls but would like to turn some up to 12” and 14” . Would this lathe handle it without problem

[@ToolMetrix]

6-10” no problem. 12-14” with the extension is doable. If you watch my video where I turned a 14” salad bowl on a 1216 you’ll get an idea of what it will be like. If you plan to turn the bigger range with any regularity you’d be a lot happier on a 1524.

[@lmallard3788]

Is there a stop to keep the tail stock assembly from falling off the bed?

[@ToolMetrix]

👍 yep

[@rogerdirkx.1679]

Paul, I have a Laguna 1216 lathe. I’m experiencing a situation with the shaft, when I use the knock out rod the shaft is moving laterally. Something must be loose. That can’t be good. I have not be able to remove the hand wheel to inspect it. Have you experienced this? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Roger

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Roger, that’s not good at all. I’ve never been inside of one but it sounds like a problem with the spindle bearings.

[@johnfromnewjersey9720]

My outboard adapter does not tighten up against the bearing like the handwheel did, am I doing something wrong?

[@ToolMetrix]

I can’t remember how that’s supposed to go but it seems to me that it should bottom out. I’d suggest that you call customer service.

[@blaufman]

I just bought one of these today with the same accessories as you. I’m confused by the light and wheel base accessories though. There are no mounting holes on my headstock to receive the light. The manual mentions that I must have the stand for this to work, but I don’t understand that comment. With the wheel base, non of the holes are threaded, and there were no bolts in the kit, so I don’t know how to install this. I’m disappointed by the lack of information in the manual.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hmmmm. Mine had threaded holes in the headstock and the wheel kit came with hardware. I also don’t know why you would need the wheel kit to mount the light. Some strangeness with your order that I unfortunately I think Laguna will have to sort out with you.

[@pfiltz]

I actually looked at this lathe -vs- the Rikon 70-220 VSR Saturday. I liked how sturdy it seemed -vs- the Rikon since they were side by side on the floor at WoodCraft. It's a bit more than I was wanting to spend on my first lathe, but I keep coming back to it. Still haven't pulled the trigger yet on it.

[@ToolMetrix]

That's a nice looking machine as well, and in general, I like Rikon lathes. The key comparison points for me between the two are the standard bed length, which favors Rikon, and the banjo, tool rest and outboard turning capability which favor Laguna. I'd like to have an opportunity to try the Rikon so that I could compare power as well as the belt changing system, because these would be important comparison points as well and I believe that Laguna has done a nice job here in general compared to other VSR lathes such as Jet. If you are looking at lathes in this class, I believe that another good comparison point would be the Jet 1221VS. I believe that machine is pretty comparable to the Rikon in terms of specs and features, except that the post size is smaller (3/4" I think). I like the larger post on the Rikon and Laguna (both 1").

[@josephKEOarthur]

Phillip. did ya every get the Laguna? I just purchased (still in the box) the Rikon 70-220vsr as well. I like the outboard turning. But seeing the comparisons between the two now. Both $799.00 at Woodcraft.

[@pfiltz]

@@josephKEOarthur Na... After 3 failed attempts to get one that wasn't damaged, I got a 12/21 Jet.

[@ToolMetrix]

Ouch! What kind of damage did they have?

[@pfiltz]

@@ToolMetrix The control box on/off switch area. The face plates were bent and the small handles were torn off, on either one or both. Then I had one that sounded like the drive bearing was bad. I live 2 hours from woodcraft, so I opted to go with Jet, since they had one. I evaluated both Laguna and Jet while there, and wanted the Laguna, based on how it's built. But it seems they were having shipping damage that they couldn't fix at that time. I also heard they were having problems with dust getting into the control box area that were causing problems as well. Not knocking Laguna, I just had some bad luck getting a good one. It happens I guess.

[@mikerobinson2026]

Paul it's your review that kicked me over the edge to get the 1216 back in early December and I have not been disappointed. I'm a new woodturner and this machine has been getting some envious comments from other turners in the club with much bigger and more expensive machines. I have one question regarding a vacuum chuck. I see that Laguna offers a vacuum chuck system for the 1836 and larger machines, but all I really need is the vacuum rotary adapter, as I already have a vacuum pump and can make my own vacuum chucks. Would you happen to know if Laguna's rotary adapter will fit the outboard spindle on the 1216? I've written to Laguna's Customer Support but as of yet not heard back yet. To be fair it is the weekend so I may just have to be patient, but I have not been able to get an answer to this question through other online resources. Thanks for the review, and I found it to be dead-on accurate in the description.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Mike, thanks for the feedback. Awesome to hear that you're having a great experience with your 1216. It's definitely a sweet lathe. I'm almost positive that the rotary adapter will not work with the 1216. The rotary adapter uses a threaded connection, and it threads inside the hand wheels on the 1836 and 2436. I don't believe that the 1216 has the necessary threads for it. On the web site they only list that it works with the 1836 and 2436. You can see the threaded connection on the picture: lagunatools.com/product/accessories/lathe-accessories/revo-lathe-accessories/rotary-adapter-for-vacuum-chuck-systems/ . If you are making your own chucks, you can find some great ideas and parts sources on how to make them with a direct vacuum connection here: www.frugalvacuumchuck.com/parts--misc.html

[@mikerobinson2026]

Thanks for the quick reply Paul. I'm sure you are correct. Thanks for the link, that is definitely what I am looking for. The sealed bearing is what had me stumped. This should take care of things.

[@ToolMetrix]

Awesome Mike. Happy to help. I have a check that was made by that guy and it works well.

[@ealrovi1972]

Hi, an incredible review can you tell me what tools would be the right ones to use in this lathe? Full size or Midsize. sorry but I'm starting on this and I would like to know if there is any difference in the size that should be used in a lathe of this size

[@MikePeaceWoodturning]

I would suggest full size.

[@ToolMetrix]

I agree. I use the same full size tools on my 24” lathe as my 12” lathe.

[@lmallard3788]

What do you think about the doors to the pulley compartment?

[@ToolMetrix]

Adequate as I recall. I didn’t have any problems with it.

[@musicalmark4535]

Paul, it looks like you are turning in reverse. I just bought a 1216 and would like to use 16” Oneway Bowl Saver corer on the outboard side, which would require coring in reverse. Do you think that would work, or would I merely unscrew the chuck or faceplate that I have holding the blank? My faceplate has two set screws and my chuck has only one. Thanks.

[@ToolMetrix]

That’s a great question. I’ve never used a coring tool so I’m just speculating but I think that you would be ok as long as you keep your pressure modest.

[@musicalmark4535]

@@ToolMetrix Thanks for the quick response Paul. I thought I’d follow up and tell you that I now realize the 1216 actually is threaded for reverse outboard turning. This actually makes sense, since otherwise it would be necessary to buy new reverse-threaded accessories for outboard turning. Not sure why I was confused initially. But the outboard spindle will actually tighten (not loosen) in reverse. I am, however, finding that the outboard adapter seems to cause a lot of runout. Not sure if you’ve encountered or heard of that before or have ideas on how to eliminate it. Thanks!

[@ToolMetrix]

I had forgotten about that threading on the outboard spindle. Yeah it makes sense that any extension would cause runout. I’m not sure what to suggest on that since it’s needed to use a chuck. It’s an unfortunate design aspect of the 1216.

[@themoonrulesnumero1]

What kind of sweet tool rest is that curved one and also is there a smaller sized optional rest for short turnings? Trying to find one with the nice rounded over top like the stock laguna but not having much luck.

[@ToolMetrix]

That is a very sweet tool rest indeed. It's a bit spendy but much nicer than anything else that I've found, and it has been worth every penny. I love using that thing. You can find it here: amzn.to/2KYJlZY. It's too big for a midi lathe (it's really for my 2436), but they have smaller ones for midis: amzn.to/2W4MoVM . And their small one is actually a 1" post so it would fit the Laguna 1216.

[@randyclary8144]

Paul how do you turn Bluefoot off of a bowl when you are outboard hurting or a tenant

[@ToolMetrix]

You could either turn a recess into toe bowl bottom and not have to do any further work on the bowl when you’re done, or turn a tenon and remove it with a chisel then sandpaper when you are done.

[@chillycanadian]

thanks for the well done review. i'm in the market for a new lathe. after watching this i think my choice is obvious. i definitely want the bed extension, but i'd be curious to know if you think a well made and well thought out floor tripod tool rest would work with this lathe.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Mark, thanks for your feedback and question. I’ve never used a freestanding rest but I think the concept is great. With the right design I think it would work well. I’d post the question on some online wooturning forums, Facebook groups, etc. and get some design tips, pictures, etc. Best of luck!

[@rogerdirkx.1679]

Hi, on the out board side of the lathe do you need some kind of a threaded adapter? Thanks.

[@ToolMetrix]

Yes you do. It is included with the machine, so you don't have to buy something additional.

[@rogerdirkx.1679]

@@ToolMetrix Thanks you very much.

[@ToolMetrix]

My pleasure, Roger. Cheers, Paul

[@lifeeh1]

Have you seen a duplicator which is compatible with this lathe?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Nathan, No I haven't, but I haven't looked. I'll report back if I come across anything. Thanks for asking. Cheers, Paul

[@gochristel]

Thanks for the video Paul. Can you tell me what the footprint is for this set up and maybe the 18/36? I'm debating between the two and would love to know the different space requirements in my shop. Thanks again!

[@ToolMetrix]

The 1836 is 26 x70. The 1216 is about 17 x 30. Both measurements are for the base units. Extensions obviously add length. The mobile base on each unit adds some depth; 3” on the 1216 and 7” on the 1836.

[@gochristel]

Thank you Paul. That's just what I needed.

[@ToolMetrix]

You’re welcome. If you’re keen on turning bowls, go 1836 if you can squeeze it in. The 1216 is good for turning small bowls compared to other midi lathes, and it’s a sweet machine, but the 1836 is a world class bowl turning lathe, with enough power and capacity to turn virtually anything that you can lift onto it. I’ve gotten so hooked on turning big bowls when trees get cut down in the neighborhood that I had to mention it. It’s my favorite type of woodworking these days, and the 1836 is much better suited for that type of bowl turning.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Hey Paul, I finally received and set up my Laguna REVO 1216 and noticed when I checked the alignment of the drive center and the live center, they miss each other tip-to-tip by about 1/16". But I couldn't find anything in the Owner's Manual that both checks for that or discusses how to align the two pieces so that a piece of pen stock, or any other piece of wood would run true when the machine is turned on. Do you have any idea if this machine has the capability to make alignments such as this? I even rotated the two centers within their individual MT2 sockets in case it was just a seating issue, but that didn't change the off-alignment. I didn't see any maintenance info or troubleshooting information either in the owner's manual. Thanks for any feedback.

[@ToolMetrix]

The one that I had here was perfectly aligned, so I didn't explore how to fix that. That said, it seems to me that you have some ability to adjust horizontal alignment on that machine, but not vertical. I don't remember where this is done, and I check the manual and you're right, nothing there. It says to check the maintenance section for information on this alignment, but there's nothing there. :( I would check on the bottom of the tail stock to see if there is away to adjust it at all. If there is something, that seems like the likely place. If that doesn't do it, give their support guys a call and hopefully they have an answer for you. Also, the FaceBook group for Laguna lathe owners is really helpful.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Thanks Paul for the quick response. Yes, so when I first unboxed and mounted the lathe onto the Laguna legs I cleaned off all the shipping grease, etc., then I sprayed on (impregnated the cast iron and steel surfaces) with a special teflon coating called GlideCote made by Bostik - a very common woodworker's spray that protects cast iron and steel from rusting. After I sprayed virtually all the metal surfaces of the lathe and buffed it all out, I used SC Johnson's good old fashion furniture paste wax, which doesn't have those silicone excellerators in it (and which if I remember correctly seeing you use it, too in one of your videos. LOL) on not only the bed but, again on all the surfaces, let it completely dry and buffed it all out. That didn't really change it - it just made the tailstock and banjo glide very easily and now my cast iron and steel areas will be well protected until I use it again. But again, I don't think that had any negative impact on the alignment issue. I did reach out to Laguna's Tech Support, but don't expect to hear back from them until Monday, which is why I thought I would post the questions here with you, since you thankfully reply so quickly. However, in this case since you haven't had this issue, I suppose I'll try other things such as maybe applying a tiny wafer thin spacer under the tailstock hold-down clamp or something. I'm still not sure if the 1/16th inch difference is significant enough to sweat about, but being a new woodturner and I wear a face shield, I don't know that I want to see a piece of wood come flying off - no matter how small - at 3500 RPM simply because the wobble intensifies as you increase the rotational speed. Or that I'm prevented from turning my lathe up higher in speed for that reason. Surely there must be some sort of alignment adjustment feature the owner's manual left out, albeit different from the adjustment that can be seen on the larger models. I joined the Laguna Facebook group earlier last week, so I'll go ahead while I wait for Laguna Tech Support to respond next week, and see if anyone else might have some info. I appreciate you taking the time to re-read the owner's manual as well. Strange that there wouldn't be some sort of minor alignment adjustment, considering metal on metal is bound to wear over time anyway.

[@johnhuggins5021]

Hi Paul. Well not to sound stupid or whatever, but this morning, all was well again, back on the farm. I took both centers off the lathe rest and installed them into their respective MT2 taper mounting holes and ran brought them together, purposefully fully seating each of them, and wa la! They touched points perfectly. I think I must not have properly seated them and simply only just loosely inserted them? Not sure, but this time I purposefully fully seated them and they came together both horizontally and vertically - no distance off as before. So I guess one might say, it was operator error. With that said, I still can't help but wonder why there is no vertical or horizontal alignment adjustments to account for wear and tear over time. And dust or other wood debris could easily wedge themselves between the bed and tailstock when using it over time. But oh well, for now I'm back to being aligned like they should be and ready to rock-n-roll once I attach my 10-in bed extension kit to one end and the 20-in bed extension bed to the other. Sorry to have bothered you about what appears to have been my error. LOL.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi John, That's a great outcome! Happy that it worked out. I don't think you'll have to worry about wear causing vertical alignment problems. If it does go out of vertical alignment due to wear, you've got a bigger problem that can't be fixed with a simple alignment adjustment. Enjoy the new lathe, sir!

[@jamesbattle5828]

I bought an outboard extension for my 12/16 laguna , and when I attempted to turn a bowl the shaft of the mandrel started sliding in and out about 3/8 of an inch . The bearing on the outboard side also came out about 3/8 of an inch. Does anyone have any idea what’s causing this problem? My lathe has only been used to turn three bowls.

[@ToolMetrix]

I haven’t seen any of that. Better give customer service a call and see what they think is going on.

[@jamesbattle5828]

I’ve tried to call them but so far they have not called me back, I understand they are in the process of moving from California to Texas, so it might be a while.

[@michaell7877]

I'm fairly new to turning. How do you know what speeds to use for various processes? What do you recommend for beginner online classes? Any particular person? Tyvm. I love your channel, and respect your advise. God Bless...

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Michael, you are asking a great question. The safe RPM speed depends on the diameter of the piece that you are turning. You can find a chart that indicates the max speed per diameter in this discussion thread: www.woodworkingtalk.com/f6/speed-wood-lathe-31085/. In terms of beginner resources, I think it depends on what you want to focus on; spindle turning vs. bowl turning. There are some extremely talented turners on KZbin: Mike Waldt, Carl Jacobson, Tim Yoder, and many more. Stuart Batty has some incredible bowl turning content on Vimeo, but I don't consider it to be targeted at beginners. George Vondriska at WWGOA has some on-line classes: www.wwgoa.com/class/introduction-spindle-turning/, www.wwgoa.com/class/master-bowl-turning-with-dvd/. I got started by watching DVDs from WWGOA and it gave me a great foundation. Now I watch YT videos from the people that I mentioned, and soon I will be going to an in-person bowl turning class with Ashley Harwood where I'm expecting to learn a lot. If you have a Woodcraft or Rockler store in your area, they have a lot of in-person classes that are beginner-focused, and the prices seem reasonable. If you have a turning buddy or a club in the area that can help get your started, that is a great approach too. Thanks so much for your feedback; it means a lot. Cheers, Paul

[@tohall18]

I’ve always wanted a mini lathe, but the reason I haven’t ended up keeping one is they suck 😂. If I wanted a quality mini/midi lathe I have to spend $2500+ for a robust or a oneway. Of course I have a couple questions because the setup i’d get is about $1400 for retail price which seems very fair. I like to make heavyish cuts, and I noticed in the video your cuts weren’t super aggressive, is that just your style of turning or can this mini lathe not handle an aggressive cut? And how solid is the base? You’ve seen my winged bowls, and if I got a mini lathe I’d love to be able to turn some of my smaller winged bowls on this lathe when I travelled or my big lathe was occupied. I think I saw in your video a slight wobble when you pushed it, but I could be wrong. This lathe seems like a beast, so I’d love to hear your answer to these questions, thanks for doing another great video and I’m super jealous if all the Laguna lathes you have.

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Todd! I think that this a pretty beefy system overall for a midi lathe. It's powerful, and actually I thought I was leaning in for a pretty heavy cut in a couple shots, although admittedly I'm no Todd Halleman. The base is heavy gauge, so it definitely adds some nice heft to it. It could be a bit more rigid IMO, but it's good for a midi. It has 6 points of contact with the floor, which makes it tricky to get to sit perfectly flat on all six when it is sitting on my wavy concrete floor. I found it easiest to shim under one pad on each side with makes it solid. It think in the shot where there is some vibration it was not shimmed. I think if you got it stabilized you could turn a small winged bowl, but I haven't tried it. I tell you what; to make it less risky for you how about if I fly you out to MN over your holiday break and you can turn a winged bowl on it while you give me a lesson? Then you'll know if the lathe is right for you, and I'll get a lesson from one of the top turners on the planet.

[@tohall18]

ToolMetrix thank you! Sounds like this is a great lathe. I would seriously take you up on that offer but I have a hip replacement on Tuesday, but I’d definitely be down for that offer spring break or maybe just take an extended weekend. That would be a blast! If I did come up, maybe we could talk to your woodturning club and I could do a demonstration for them as well? Once I’m healthy I want to get quite a few demonstrations under my belt because I want to try and start demonstrating at symposiums.

[@ToolMetrix]

OK, hope you heal quickly. Let's put something like this together when your feeling spry again. A demo would be fun. We also have a great AAW woodturning museum in town that you could visit.

[@tohall18]

ToolMetrix sounds like fun! I’ll hit you up when I am healthy :)

[@ToolMetrix]

Heal quickly my friend!

[@chrisatkins1466]

Great Video. Any idea when this lathe will be for sale so I can buy one?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Chris, thanks. It’s actually available for sale now.

[@chrisatkins1466]

@@ToolMetrix I can't find it in stock anywhere to order or purchase it. I was wondering where you go yours?

[@ToolMetrix]

It was just launched so maybe the stores don’t have inventory yet. I just saw one on the floor at Rockler near me so it seems that they’re at least starting to get them in. I made an arrangement to get one directly from Laguna before it was launched.

[@chrisatkins1466]

@@ToolMetrix Hey just one more question about the lathe. I was able to work with one. The only way I can figure out how to turn off the lathe and the speed display is to unplug it. I didn't see an emergency shut off. Did you have the same issue?

[@ToolMetrix]

@@chrisatkins1466 Yes, the speed display is on when the lathe is plugged in. There is not an emergency off switch.

[@lmallard3788]

Wondering if you can suggest chucks for 1216.

[@ToolMetrix]

I love my nova G3. I got the insert type so I could use it with my 2436. I have a couple G3s with different jaw sets, which makes it easier. I also love the easy wood chuck if you can afford it. I don’t own one yet but it’s on my wish list.

[@lmallard3788]

The new ones dont include a wood worm screw. I can add one for $28. I saw a video somewhere and they used a face plate attached to back of a platter and that face plate was connected to the jaws of chuck very securely. Wondering your view?

[@ToolMetrix]

That approach would work. I have a couple worm screws and i almost never use them. I’ve had them strip loose a couple times and it was a hassle, so I just go old school and use a regular old face plate most of the time. It probably takes a minute longer but I’m not in a hurry when I am turning. I actually also have a Spike Plate in case I want to really get into production mode but I only used that a couple times.

[@ianabbott785]

Good honest review. I am taking a good look at this lathe but have one concern. Is the 1hp motor really enough to turn a 16 inch bowl? I see you did a platter but what about a 16 x 4 inch blank turned to a bowl? Thank you for any response

[@ToolMetrix]

I’m actually planning to do a video on turning a big bowl on this lathe. A bowl that big will be slow going for sure. I haven’t tried anything that big but my gut says that 14x4 is probably a good “practical max”. If you plan to turn large bowls with any regularity I’d STRONGLY encourage you to step up to an 1816. That lathe will make short work of a bowl that size and you’d enjoy turning those all day every day.

[@ianabbott785]

@@ToolMetrix Thank you for replying. It's the cost, size and weight that holds me back from going to a full size lathe. To be able to turn 14 x 4 would be more than ok with me, that is still a big bowl. I shall keep my eye out for your video. Thanks again

[@ToolMetrix]

Yep, totally get that. I’ll try to get to that video soon. Cheers, Paul

[@jageo48]

@@ianabbott785 Sandbag the base shelf, as that will dampen vibration until the blank becomes more circular and give extra weight where it's really required.

[@fayespath7763]

One guy commented on the laguna site that the head stock gets really hot does yours?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Faye, thanks for the question. I hadn't noticed any disconcerting levels of heat, so I just ran a quick test where I ran it wide open at 3500 RPM for 20 minutes and I measured the surface temperature all around the headstock,. It read 111 degrees at the warmest spot, and felt about like a hot tub; warm but not hot, and I could leave my hand on it. It doesn't seem problematic to me, but I'll keep an eye on it. I don't know how it compares to other Midi lathes, but if anyone has one and is willing to test it would be good to know. It was running for 4 hours straight the other day and I didn't notice it getting too hot, but I wasn't checking for it. I'll be doing a some turning on it this week and I'll check periodically and let you know if it gets any hotter than that.

[@spafa9]

Thank you so much for testing it for me. I really appreciate it. I am looking to buy a new lathe here in the next couple week. Have a happy holiday!

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Faye, I'm happy to help. If you have other questions please let me know. BTW, the chuck that I picked up for this lathe is awesome. amzn.to/2Qqk8Ks It really holds onto stuff much better than a similar chuck that I have for my larger lathe. I also like that it uses inserts so that I can use it on either lathe. That way, if you ever upgrade to a larger lathe with a 1-1/4" spindle, you can use the same spindle and just buy another insert.

[@budnotu]

What is it with bowls ?

[@ToolMetrix]

It does well with bowls for a midi lathe.

[@robkohler1770]

I wish they'd have put a larger motor in it. 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hp would be the sweet spot.

[@ToolMetrix]

That would be nice. I think it is currently the king of the midi lathes, but if it had a 1-3/4" it would take it to a whole new level.

[@robkohler1770]

Well, if you look at the Nova Saturn, it's got 1 3/4 hp on 120V and 2 hp on 220V and has a 16" throw. More expensive than the 1216 though. @@ToolMetrix

[@ToolMetrix]

@@robkohler1770 That's almost as expensive as the Laguna 1836 which was a 2 HP motor and more capacity. I've turned on a Saturn and an 1836 and I'd take the 1836 hands down in that comparison. A more fair comparison in the Nova line would be a comet which has a 3/4 HP motor and weighs 40 pounds less. All that said, I agree that I would like more horsepower. I also feel that about every tool that I own, as well as my cars, etc. :) For a midi lathe, however, I think this one is currently the one to beat. If Laguna adds a 16" lathe to their line-up, we'll see how that one stacks up against the Saturn from a price/performance perspective.

[@robkohler1770]

That's fair. It's really most comparable to the Jet 1221VS though. @@ToolMetrix

[@ToolMetrix]

@@robkohler1770 Yep, I agree. That's the closest apples-to-apples comparison on the market today. Jet gives you a bit more standard capacity (spindle length), and Laguna is a bit cheaper, has a much nicer tool rest and allows for outboard turning (although that requires the additional bed extension, so it does make it a more expensive lathe at that point). I'd like to try the Jet1221 to see what the power difference feels like.

[@dc783]

Let's get down to brass tacks, price as tested?

[@ToolMetrix]

Hi Dave, list prices are currently as follows: lathe $799, light $150, extension $150, stand $325, wheels $150 for a total of $1574. (Sorry for previously omitting the light).

[@dc783]

Thank you. Great reviews, by the way. @@ToolMetrix

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks, Dave. 🤜💥🤛

[@mramseyISU]

@@ToolMetrix That's exactly the info I was looking for. Looks like a great lathe at that price point.

[@ToolMetrix]

Thanks for the feedback Mike.

[@gilbertlaforce1675]

How loud is the motor?

[@ToolMetrix]

It's extremely quiet. I don't have a db reading for you, but I'll measure it the next time I'm in the shop.

[@ToolMetrix]

I just tested it by putting a dB meter at ear level and cranked the lathe up to 3500 RPM and it read 62 dB.

[@123hermdagerm]

Yeah, well, I bought this lathe, barely used it, and a few weeks after the warranty period was up I was trying some precision work, and could not do it. Why ? The bed is not flat. Lower in the middle than on the ends, so no amount of shimming will fix it. The bed needs to be machined flat. Laguna basically told me to go suck eggs. There is no way someone could bend or warp that bed. It was very poorly machined and quality control was lacking. Stay away from Laguna. They do not care about their customers.

[@ToolMetrix]

I’m sorry to hear that