Grinder Tier List

[@LanceHedrick]

PSA- I am reading all comments and taking the criticism and room for improvement seriously. Thank you for the (mostly) tactful response! I'll be posting on my community board in the coming days a sort of dialogue style post to hone in this style of video that hits all your concerns. Of course, it will still be my opinion with all my inherent biases (remember- everyone has biases), so please continue to be aware of that. It seems many have forgotten. Thanks for the support here and I'm genuinely keen to hear more areas this style could improve. It's new territory for me and I now know it is super popular outside of Jeff Nippard (some have mentioned ranking super smash bros and other tier lists. Will check them out to improve here!) Brew something tasty, whether on an A tier or D tier. Much love!

[@SpadesHeart]

Please be a little more price conscious. America's test kitchen will often do a best buy option which as indicated I'm assuming is the Encore. This is helpful to put things into perspective for people trying to build their setup. I often find your channel values nerd/enthusiast features over fundamentals too highly, often to unjustified prices.

[@sayanama]

You can always mention that you have your biases but since you are one of the most trusted people in the community, beginners will look at these videos and take it as gospel and will be disappointed either because of the cost of EG1 or the consistency of the Baratza Encore ESP. I know that you are just stating your opinion, but you are too famous for novices and beginners to not follow you blindly.

[@TravelerNick]

It would nice if you put them up in some sort of order. Worst to best. Alphabetical? Price? I didn't really understand the reasoning behind the order. I don't mean the grades. I got the impression you basically decided to talk about company X then company Y almost randomly. Usually things like this sort of start worst to best.

[@YouTubedarek]

Great work going into this even if I feel personally attacked lol. Would be interesting to somehow have this in a google sheet, with your values, where people could filter out scores based on what matters to them. Ex: only espresso, or not caring about speed, or don’t care about conical/flat etc.

[@berzoidberg3272]

Where does the grinder built into the xbloom Studio fall?

[@goose-lw6js]

Timestamps: 00:52 Ranking Criteria 02:23 (B) Baratza Vario 03:17 (B) Urbanic 070 04:05 (C) Baratza Sette 270 04:40 (D) Baratza Sette 30 04:57 (C) Niche Zero 05:46 (B) Fellow Ode gen 2 06:17 (B) Bentwood Vertical 63 07:41 (B) Option-O Lagom Mini 08:20 (C) Mahlkönig X54 09:21 (C) Eureka Specialita 10:00 (C) Eureka Oro Mignon 10:22 (C) Turin SD40 11:22 (A) Fembook A68 12:02 (A) Weber Workshops EG-1 13:22 (B) Timemore Sculptor 078 13:51 (B) Timemore Sculptor 078S 14:22 (B) Timemore Sculptor 064 14:34 (A) Timemore Sculptor 064S 15:10 (A) Baratza Encore ESP 15:42 (C) Fellow Opus 16:00 (B) Varia VS 3 16:45 (A) Zerno Z1 17:12 (C) Kopi Deva 64 17:28 (D) Olympia Moca SD 18:09 (B) Turin DF 64 Gen2 18:32 (D) Turin DF 64E/P 18:46 (C) Turin DF 64V 19:03 (B) Turin DF 83 19:20 (A) Turin DF 83V 19:41 (C+) Option-O Lagom P100 20:24 (A) Gevi Grindmaster 21:04 (A) Wug2 83A 21:35 (B) Niche Duo 22:15 (A) Kafatek Monolith Max 2 22:53 (C) Mahlkönig EK43 23:38 Outro

[@thebigmm6548]

You drop this 👑

[@dantrip2]

Hero! 🙏

[@PeeraBJ]

Thanks mate

[@lukasschramm9887]

Thank you❤

[@DuBstep115]

So only 2 grinders got A under 2000€. Baratza Encore ESP and Femobook A68 but A68 has no EU distribution

[@عبدالعزيزالرشيدي-م1ب]

I think everyone would like a HandGrinder list.

[@andrewjoseph9489]

👍

[@UltiMogr]

I wouldn't

[@aceofcaves]

Yes please

[@therealmivaho]

Hell yeah

[@ivanprisco2525]

Yessss

[@uthamanco]

Would have really loved a summary table at end of video and/or attachment. Score, Grinder Name, Style, Approx Year Introduced, Price, Plus/Minus summary bullets. But hey, I love single page summaries. 😊

[@Martin-i8o8n]

Not me. The influence on purchasing decisions clearly goes too far for me here. It's nothing more than a subjective assessment of a single person - at least, what the 'disclaimer' at the end

[@mapleridge8]

Love the format, love the video. Hand grinders, drip machines , espresso machines, manual brewers...I'll watch them all

[@marcsilverman2457]

I loved this. Please do more of these type of videos! There were some grinders that I was surprised that you didn't include, like Lagon P64, or even a Mazzer Super Jolly or Phillos. Thank you!

[@jettav88]

Lagon P64 for sure, thanks!

[@Martin-i8o8n]

Yes, Lagom P64 and Mazzer Philos are very much missing here. Anyway, let's face it: It's just what one person likes, YOU might like different things

[@itsjaynguyen]

the super jolly still my workhorse

[@marcsilverman2457]

@@itsjaynguyen me too! I have ssp burrs and a single dose set up and it produces really nice shots.

[@OwlScowling]

Lance X Jeff Nippard crossover? I'm here for it.

[@LanceHedrick]

That'd be a dream tbh

[@pablosanmartinvarela1773]

It caught me completely off guard! I guess it's the scientific approach.

[@Phil_OG]

Y'all lets comment on the next Jeff Nippard video that he should do a colab with Lance.

[@grim_magnus]

Lol. Right after a Layne Norton clip was featured in a Hoffman video. My worlds of coffee and fitness are colliding and I'm loving it.

[@Manolara1]

@@LanceHedrick best coffee based pre-workout ft Leg day Lance

[@elviejohg744]

Damn it Lance I bought my first grinder 1 hour before this video! Great video, I would love a lever machine tier list

[@heresey]

+1 Lever machine list!

[@LanceHedrick]

Please commemt below if you'd like more of this style! And perhaps give a thumbs up. Loads of Thumbs down so far, which is fine, but makes me think it isnt a preferred vid style! Just trying to gayge interest. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers

[@stuartizon]

Would be better to have a chart showing all the rankings!

[@lockelamora153]

@@stuartizonagree. Great video but timestamps and having a chart (or at least make one and upload it as a static image) would be great

[@justinbouchard]

i love that you wrote gayge KEKW

[@nodammit]

@@stuartizon Exactly what I was thinking. A chart at the end would be a great summary..

[@LanceHedrick]

@nodammit we tried a chart but you couldn't even see the grinders with how small we had to make them. I future rankings I'll figure out a way!

[@adelalaslawy]

Loved this! Hand grinders next please 😊

[@richardmiddleton7770]

Kinu M47 Classic. The end.

[@matz4k]

Jeff Nippard mentioned? I knew Lance is training for his wr coffe sack squat.

[@LanceHedrick]

Lololol getting them slow eccentrics as to the same speed as my slow feed, iykyk

[@timgerber5563]

And yet again my fitness and coffee channels meet after James referenced Layne Norton in one of his last videos 😁

[@davidkalthoff]

"this colombian is a fake natty"

[@LKU838]

Good perspective, honestly explained, good work, thank you. However, I feel hungry for data and more rigid data-driven testing. Without technical education and expertise in the given field in domestic conditions, it is almost impossible, not least the risk of lawsuits from the manufacturer. Maybe some other time, if at all. I appreciate your approach for beginners in the world of coffee. We look forward to your creation and keep our fingers crossed.

[@chanonketnirat809]

@@timgerber5563 I randomly found James Hoffmann's comment under WIll Tennyson's video, genuinely surprised me haha.

[@RGvDisaster]

Really nice to have an overview of the market at a given time, from a person who really dug in. It is indeed a nice add-on over all of your detailed reviews you made. Appreciated it a lot, thx !

[@nimexwolf]

I really wish you'd put the final rankings inclusive of all the grinders you reviewed at the end! Or at least timestamps for each one! But preferably both! It serves as a great visual guide!

[@LanceHedrick]

We tried but the images for each grinder became so small due to the volume it was an impossible feat!

[@iraklipkhovelishvili1252]

@@LanceHedrickjust do the names in the tier list maker

[@nimexwolf]

@@iraklipkhovelishvili1252 my thoughts exactly! The names alone would be professional imo!

[@wsuvjosh]

@@LanceHedrickSmash Bros rankings somehow get 50+ characters in a tier list, fantasy football tier lists sometimes go over 60, come on man 😂

[@LanceHedrick]

@@wsuvjosh those aren't grinders that have all diff shapes.

[@tehBoxxyMan]

I'm new to the world of coffee and I've been binge watching your content over the past couple of weeks. Thank you for all the information and entertainment you have provided!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I thought this was a really good video. 👍🏻 The majority of us will never even get the test a fraction of those grinders, so it’s great to have an informative video evaluating all of them. It would be cool if you released the video like this with hand grinders, espresso, machines, and maybe even, other equipment.

[@FaithAndCoffeeBean]

Totally!!!

[@coreycannon4511]

Ditto

[@bravewoodbeanery]

This was very helpful. There is no way I could test this many grinders on my own, so I appreciate you sharing your experience.

[@LauriG]

Sure, someone will always think their grinder should have been on the list, but hey Lance; Lagom P64 really deserved to be on the list! Love your channel though.

[@jaredlai5747]

+1 on this I really don’t understand why he’s never talked about it

[@jauntus1]

He gave what was the flagship Option-O P100 a C+, so it would be hard pressed to think he’d have that of a different rating for the P64 (even price considered). His full review of the P100 was notably rushed and I’ve not heard of the issue with top burr. A more expensive, slower, more retention, and even with same burrs Kafatek somehow he gives an A. He really hates the look of Option-O or something else hurt him. I don’t own an Option-O.

[@LanceHedrick]

@jauntus1 lol you're reaching. The review wasn't rushed. I had the grinder for months. Taste was sub par. For a 98mm grinder, I want the coffee to be as good or better than other 98mm grinders. It isn't.

[@LanceHedrick]

To be honest, the price and how ot is built turns me off. At that price, it should be auger fed. I have no interest in a polished df64 (horizontal burrs)

[@aarontt]

Even if some of the rankings may be a bit controversial, this is a fantastic summary of a lot of the main home grinders people may be considering, with a great summary of each in one place, so thank you! You mentioned that there's a few mods that can improve the Eureka Oro Mignon. I have this grinder, but I'm struggling to find anything online about mods for it. It would be awesome to hear more about what those mods are, even if it's just sharing some resources that you've found on the topic - I appreciate it might be a bit of a niche topic to make an entire video about it!

[@chris_huelsemeyer]

We need more of these videos! Loved it! Great overview

[@ambi8822]

New to the channel, but I love the humor and structure of the videos! Thank you for clearly defining the ranking criteria at the very beginning. Most of my gripes with online reviews are that the rankings are too subjective so unless it's someone who I've consumed enough content to know their "biases" it's hard to determine how relevant their reviews will be to me personally.

[@santoki89]

Wow! I was pleasantly surprised to hear mention of Jeff Nippard on this channel.

[@vivrl]

Fantastic help, well arranged and concisely handled while comprehensive, please do more. I find as the equipment updates and changes or data presents at different sources so does the need for updates and lists to compare and reevaluate. Exactly what I was looking for for a few months now, thank you!

[@davidrindt3131]

Excellent news Lance! Now we begin the wait for your EK OMNIA review...

[@davidthompson4500]

That was fun. I like the format. Amazing display of knowledge and your pointing out problems with each was legit. Four thumbs up.

[@chefrayb6910]

Tip for DF64V: You can use the wood stand as lid to cover the cup and shake your ground beans. I own two DF64v gen1. I've only experienced 2-3 stalls in 9 months at 600 rpm and none at 800 rpm. The DF64V shines being 64mm (many burr selections & easy to swap them), has a vertical small footprint ideal for 18" depth counter table (e.g. workbench) and isn't noisy when running due to it's brushless motor (easy to forget running while listing to music ). The cons are that you need to slow feed the beans, perform RDT to reduce static (fixed in DF64v gen2), can have alignment issues and some retention for espresso.

[@6502iceman]

Super interested in where you‘d put the Philos. In other words: hyped for a review on it and the I200D by the Burrman himself.

[@chahahc]

The Baratza Encore grinders have a pretty serious design flaw in that the ring burr is almost a millimeter smaller in diameter than the housing it sits in. The burr itself is completely unsupported by the housing and only held in alignment by the grinds adjustment collar (I suspect the increased stability of the metal collar is what gives the ESP better grind quality than the regular Encore). You can shim the ring burr by wrapping it in 1/2" wide packaging tape to increase the diameter enough to where it fits snugly in the housing without any play. This SIGNIFICANTLY improves grind quality. It also prevents premature wear and damage to the burrs from prolonged burr contact.

[@LilyWillow22]

would love a demonstration. i have the Encore w/m2. trying to envision your idea 🙂

[@chahahc]

@@LilyWillow22 Take off the hopper and pull out the ring burr. Remove the o-ring and plastic collar from the ring burr and try placing just the metal ring burr back into the grinder. You'll see just how much wiggle room there is between the ring burr and plastic housing it sits in. The inner diameter of the plastic housing is about 40.35mm while the outer diameter of the ring burr is about 39.40mm. So you simply wrap 1/2" packaging tape around the ring burr to increase the diameter to around 40.35mm. Calipers are immensely helpful in this process, though not necessary.

[@kubvrana]

@@chahahc I have the ESP and I was wondering if you experienced an inconsistency after cleaning the machine. What I mean by is that after cleaning, I was unable to go fine enough. Once I have the quick release know very lose the other it is almost impossible ti unscrew it. I cannot go finer because I am already using 2 shims. Not sure how to prevent this issue

[@lmelc]

These tier style rankings really do help put into perspective the grinders and their place in the modern market. It can often be difficult to gauge how major a pro or how big a con of a specific product is in a standalone review in relation to other like products on the market because really, how many ways are there of saying "good" before it gets lost in semantics. High quality informative videos on hobbies as niche as this can be scarce online. Thank you for doing what you do!

[@tricamel]

Another vote for info on the Mazzer Philos. Great vid.

[@melancholiasee]

Zerno is better.

[@tricamel]

@melancholiasee Cool. Will be nice to finally see the Mazzer in some reviews and side by sides though.

[@sarianhoufis7539]

thanks Lance, that was great to have a kind of a summary of all your experiences. would be nice to keep that lisy and update it yearly with your new reviews 💪🏼

[@mccrispy]

I would have preferred a ranking matrix that separated out the performance in relation to flavour in the cup from all the other factors. For me, the axes are cup quality, build quality, and workflow. Sure, price is important (I couldn't afford "the best grinder in the world" if it was $1000), but if I know all the other rankings I can choose the trade-offs at the price point that I can afford. Having the price factored into the ranking makes that decision much harder.

[@Coffeenerdtools]

Great breakdown Lance, lots of thought put into this one. ☕️

[@emmereffing]

when do you get a philos?

[@ozyrob1]

Love the video format Lance. Thanks for doing.

[@vorteckgf]

Could we get a timestamp or a list or the grinders in this video?

[@LanceHedrick]

I think I can do that. Will add list in caption.

[@philiphimmelstein9510]

@@LanceHedrick This was a great video and very helpful as I look at buying my Mom a new grinder! If you make the list in the description, any chance you could break up into grinders good for filter vs good for espresso? That way, no need to make a seperate video unless you want to. If you end up adding timestamps, adding them in the description list alongside each grinder would also be super helpful. Probably overkill since it'd require a reupload, but keeping a name/picture/price in the lower left corner, adding a traditional tier list graphic to the video, or adding short onescreen text descriptions for the features would also be super helpful in videos like this as we skip around, and compare grinders. I do really love these types of overview videos though, saves us so much time and really pulls on your extensive knowledge and experience using different tools. Great video idea overall!

[@vorteckgf]

@@LanceHedrick Thanks bro! Love your videos.

[@vi-yn1ss]

How about a table with your rating and the strngths/weaknesses and price? On some you mention the price and on others you don't

[@jeromecote245]

Very timely since I’m in the market for a new grinder mostly for pour-over. Thanks Lance for the great work… as always!

[@aae42]

curious about DF54... is it pretty much halfway between SD40 and DF64?

[@garetht1236]

Thank you for making this video. It was so helpful and a great starting point into researching my first dedicated espresso grinder

[@eddieliao1500]

Closest To S ------------------------------ Timemore Sculptor 064s (14:39) 2nd Place Close to S ------------------------------ Zerno Z1 (16:47) A ------------------------------ Femobook A68 (11:23) Weber Workshops EG-1 (12:02) Baratza Encore ESP (15:12) Turin DF 83 V (19:22) Gevi Grindmaster (20:25) Wug 2 83A (21:06) Kafatek Monolith Max 2 (22:16) B ------------------------------ Baratza Vario (2:30) Urbanic 070s (3:20) Fellow Ode Gen2 (5:47) Bentwood Vertical 63 (6:15) Option-O Lagom Mini (7:41) Timemore Sculptor 078 (13:24) Timemore Sculptor 078s (13:52) Timemore Sculptor 064 (14:25) Varia VS 3 (16:02) Turin DF 64 Gen2 (18:09) Turin DF 83 (19:04) Niche Duo (21:35) C+ ------------------------------ Option-O Lagom P100 (19:42) C ------------------------------ Baratza Sette 270 (4:07) Niche Zero (4:58) Mahlkonig X54 (8:20) Eureka Specialita (9:23) Eureka Oro Mignon (10:01) Turin SD 40 (10:24) Fellow Opus (15:43) Kopi Deva 64 (17:13) Turin DF 64 V (18:48) Mahlkonig EK43 (22:53) D ------------------------------ Baratza Sette 30 (4:41) Olmpia Moca SD (17:30) Turin DF 64 E (18:33) Turin DF 64 P (18:39)

[@LanceHedrick]

Should be noted- closest to S was timemore 064s

[@eddieliao1500]

@@LanceHedrick Got it. Modified. :)

[@angrymurloc7626]

Wow thank you 😍

[@LanceHedrick]

@eddieliao1500 haha! Love it. Second closest was zerno fyi lololol

[@chrislange1354]

That was quick 😂

[@KeithDins]

I watched this an ordered a Zerno. Had my Kafatek Conical for 18 months but the Z looks really nice. Six month wait so I'll post back then! Thanks Lance. Love the videos

[@secretjoe8513]

10/10 video idea.

[@tarifhalabi]

This is a great video. I'm looking to upgrade from a Baratza Sette 270 and this has helped me narrow down my choices. Thanks Lance.

[@rever6612]

An unexpected mention to Jeff Nippard, but a welcomed one.

[@LanceHedrick]

Had to credit my inspiration for the vid for sure

[@StretchyDeath]

r/prequelmemes in Lance's comments is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@philwalsh6451]

Was hoping to see Varia VS6 in here. Love the format. Straight up to the point and no mucking around

[@GraysonCarr]

Glad my P64 didn't make the list, because I'm sure Lance low-key hates it... expensive for what it offers, vertically oriented, no auger, and needs RDT and / or a pat on the top to achieve minimal retention. I got it because it's quiet, versatile, supposedly has great alignment out of the box (although I haven't done a marker test yet), and everything seems super high quality and well built, so I'm hoping it will last a super long time. I would be curious to see Lance's thoughts on the Mizen 64OM burrs that it comes with... they aim to be a great all around burr that are pretty good for both espresso and filter, and strike a nice balance between clarity and body. I guess they're pretty similar to the SSP Lab Sweet V3, but I haven't seen anyone compare those two burrs directly.

[@ajleonardi]

@@GraysonCarr yea I came to this video to see where the P64 ranked - I also have one for the same reasons you got yours. I got mine with the HU burrs and am super happy with it.

[@davidpaul3821]

Love this format Lance, more like this please.

[@fabilemusic9992]

Love that kind of videos!! What would also be nice to get a separate video just for filter grinders. Maybe more about your favourite combos of Grinders and burrs, independent of price etc.. so including your top three (eg-1, Ek, 078) and some more.. maybe digging into what would you choose in which case, what would you choose if you could only have 1 for filter etc… maybe also Splitted into different price categories ranging from price doesn’t matter, to different ranges, don’t know if that would be interesting for others, but it would be at least for me 😅 Anyway, appreciate every video of yours and all your work!! And just ordered the eg-1 with Ulfs and I am so hyped, coming from Pietro with pro brewing, which was also awesome 🙌🏻

[@uhafeez]

A summary at the end & like additional thoughts on S & D tier could be a fun outro!!

[@chrislange1354]

Hey Lance what is your opinion on the DF54. Can you give it a rating... its just over half the price of the DF64v2 here where I live. Thanks what a great video!

[@mayezish]

Its great one, go for it. He would put it in B/C definitely

[@LanceHedrick]

With this criteria it'd probably be a or b depending on performance.

[@SeiphersZone]

I loved this style of video, opens up other options of equipment to look at, would love the espresso machines especially since I am in the works of saving up for a machine that I wish to use for many years to come

[@LatteDude1]

No surprise you gave the Niche Zero a C. Must be something personal.

[@iPAINTCODE]

This is a great video (series), a 2024 budget friendly espresso machine would be pretty awesome, boiler vs thermal lock or other heating systems.

[@ianoiano3660]

What would be the best grinders list if it is dedicated only for espresso and the sound, workflow, speed, aesthetics, flexibility, range, foot print doesn't matter at all?

[@kingmidas430]

Yes!!! I’m excited for this one! I hope he covers the Lagom 01 here.

[@Keksdose2k]

That you still didn’t take a look at the Mazzer Philos leaves me kinda baffled. Do you have some beef with Mazzer? As a customer from the EU, I‘d choose the Philos over the Z1 any time of the day. Yes, the Z1 has a slightly better alignment (maybe 5-10 microns difference), but the Philos is easily available and at almost half the price. Combined with outstanding build quality by a manufacturer with more than 70 years of experience, you got yourself a winner. And seeing your rating system, I‘d claim that the Philos might be the only S-Tier grinder in your list. I mean, what’s going on? Is it the availability in the US, or what is holding you back?

[@SerjTheBestForever]

Was surprised it’s not in the list. But it seems like a solid one.

[@msoelling]

Love it ❤ Good to see a single-stop review video. Gonna forward this whenever someone is asking on reddit

[@JonFairhurst]

My S-tier grinder will be the Mazzer Philos, which seems to be similar to (and, yeah, bigger than) the Zerno, but from a major manufacturer at an attractive price. Looking forward to their arrival in North America.

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

I own both the philos and the zerno. I prefer the zerno. The alignment is better too. But they are both good. Philos is a good "budget" grinder.

[@JonFairhurst]

Aside from alignment, what do you prefer about the Zerno, or rate lower on the Philos? I chose not to get the Zerno due to the ordering method, but ended up waiting longer than expected for the Philos anyway. Oh well. I roast my own (Kaffelogic), and bean sizes vary greatly. I’m thinking that the pre-demolisher would smash beans regardless of size, while a squeezing auger would do different things to larger and smaller beans. Also, I like the design of the Philos, which shouldn’t look too huge next to my Linea Mini. I don’t care for the exposed power cord on the Zerno. That said, it would be my second choice, easily. Regarding burr size, I’ve been slow feeding my Niche Zero, and it’s a pain, but it makes a fundamental improvement to the result. I recognize that slow feeding a 64mm burr can probably give as good a result as a larger burr, just more slowly. The feed rate concept helped me stop my burr size envy. It’s not like I run a busy coffee bar from my countertop. 😀 Anyway, a Z vs P comparison would be interesting. I’d like to know what I will be missing.

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

@@JonFairhurst Philos feel more budget with it having so much plastic. I dont get your aversion to the cord but the philos looks like a 98mm+ grinder but isnt and has a chonky base to hide the cord. The zerno you can get different cords too as you can unplug it. I prefer the zerno for build, materials, precision, better taste in cup for the same burrs. More consistent in making espresso. The zerno is quicker to change burrs which I do often. The philos is just ugly but a good grinder for someone who want close to zerno features without the wait. I really hate the plastic on the philos. My base is scratched to hell already.

[@JonFairhurst]

Thanks! I like the look of the Philos, but have only seen it and the Zerno in photos. Until I get it on my counter, I won’t know if I will like or dislike its mass. Bummer about the plastic and scratches though. Coming from a Niche Zero, I’m guessing that it will feel like a step up, aesthetically. I don’t plan to change burrs often, but I’m surprised that it would be much more difficult on the Philos. The one thing I’ve seen is that it might be hard to hold the spinning burr steady when taking out the screws. One thing I really want is ease of cleaning, compared to the Niche. I like that the Philos adjustment is at the rear with the threads far from the ground beans. The Zerno looks easy to clean too, and the blind burrs are probably its biggest advantage, from my point of view. Regarding taste, who knows? I expect both to be very good, and taste preferences are so subjective. You’re lucky to have them side by side for a full comparison! I have no doubt that both would put the Niche Zero in its place. My previous grinder was the low-end Mazzer Mini with doser (clunk, clunk, clunk). Frankly, I preferred the taste from the old Mazzer, but I much preferred the Niche workflow. I generally like light to medium roasts with a bit of fruit, so I’m targeting the i200D burrs. I can hardly wait! And while the Zerno might win for me if I had them side by side, I expect to be happy with the Mazzer.

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

@@JonFairhurst I can swap burrs in the zerno in less than 1 minute. I keep my zerno and Eg-1 on my coffee station near my primary kitchen and my philos in my ADU's kitchen. The cup scratches the base so much. I may get some metal pieces cnc'd to replace some of the plastic.

[@narrowneck123]

A really excellent video. You talk so well and it's easy to follow. Not just sterile ranking but your frank bias and opinions thrown in add greatly. Because I'm listening and working at the same time I would like a caption of the machine you are talking about on screen the whole time you are discussing it, so I can glance over and see. Even better a picture in the corner of what it looks like.

[@BobStCyr]

Let’s prioritize taste. I think that’s the main reason most of us are here. If we wanted convenience there are plenty of options - fully automatic bean to cup machines, mostly automatic like the breville oracle, mochamaster drip machines,….. anybody setting up with a separate dedicated grinder is chasing the taste, so can it produce a great tasting coffee? Yes the flexibility to do filter vs espresso is something we need to know but shouldn’t go into the ranking. A fantastic grinder that is only great at either should not be downgraded compared to a grinder tha does both styles but not as well as the single focussed machine. Problems with quality of course should downgrade. A grinder that’s broken down and in for repair, well it doesn’t matter how good it is, it’s not working. Price also should have minimal influence. If grinder a is fantastic but I can’t afford it - well tha doesn’t make the grinder poorer grinder it makes it less affordable. My daughter had a Barratza, my son a niche zero and I have a Ceado (83mm). I’m waiting for verdict on the Mazzer Philos because I want to go to single dose grinding. - hope that review is coming soon.

[@OC-MC_Joe]

Ode Gen 2 burrs inside my Timemore 64s, slow feeding + rpm control + fines catcher = an amazing filter grinder! Recently did this and I am getting awesome cups.

[@LogenProof]

Wanted to see were the lagom p64 would be??

[@LanceHedrick]

Probably a B grade.

[@philipkim9701]

Lance i really like this video. As always very lighting.

[@joemalone5819]

Timemore just raised the price of their grinders with the 064S at $599 now. Does it still fit in the A+ category at that price? Seems like the DF64 gen2 might be a better buy at $399

[@thematrix7225]

Was just going to comment something similar. I was cross-shopping these and ended up with DF64 Gen 2. Much better value imo at current prices.

[@Dougal1530]

Awesome video! Love the idea of comparing grinders a long side expresso machines, as you mentioned greater and less than 2k. Going off of some of the other comments, yes everyone has bias and even novices and beginners are capable of doing their own research and making their own decisions when it comes to buying a grinder.

[@youremostwelcome]

Dishonourable mention to the steaming pile that is the Weber Key

[@VoicesofMusic]

Got the ESP when it came out and it has been reliable for a wide range of coffee and grinds.

[@thoughtsforthemind]

‘Honey, our opinion on the grinder just dropped!’ ‘Which one?’ ‘Yes’

[@GarrickStaples]

As someone that hasn't found his "forever grinder" yet, this is an amazing video. But it was so quick and sparse, I still don't know what I want!

[@crackpotfox]

No hand grinders? I was hoping to see some more value oriented grinders.

[@LanceHedrick]

See the end of the video. I'm gonna do one dedicated to just hand. Too many electric to have hand included

[@crackpotfox]

@LanceHedrick Should have finished the vid. Thanks for the response :)

[@FaithAndCoffeeBean]

@@LanceHedrickI use a time more c3 pro as my daily espresso grinder I get a lot of exercise 🤣☕️👍🏽

[@teabeat428]

That was great insight into how you think about these grinders! Appreciate the time you take (and thanks Hugo for cutting!). Ranking helps to understand how a person thinks and brings context to other videos. Sadly, we live in a "If your opinion isn't my opinion, I'm offended to the roots of my family"-world. So let me be clear: BANGER VIDEO It helps to reflect my ranking for grinders and ask questions like: - Am I too biased towards a grinder (Brand) to ignore the issues? - Do I need a hybrid monster of a grinder? - Should I go for a 10k Ditting grinder? (Joke. Or is it?) I've learned a lot about coffee and the industry thanks to you. Appreciate every video. Keep going.

[@thoughtsforthemind]

‘Honey, our opinion on every grinder in existence just dropped!’

[@megr33neyes]

@Lance, i don't know how you make time for all your videos, but you are doing a wonderful job! Starting to become "a go to encyclopedia" for specialty coffee people all over the world! I salute you with respect! ;)

[@DigitalicaEG]

078 getting a B after all the praise the first time around is quite surprising.

[@Deatarus51]

If this was a pour over grinders ranking list, it would probably be an S. He knocked it down because it doesn't do espresso, and it can't take any other burrs. He did say that if you got it from the kickstarter it would be an A for the price. I paid $660 for mine last week, it kicks my SSP Ode in the face. Some of the best cups of coffee I've brewed. I already have an espresso grinder and hate the idea of using one grinder for both.

[@evanstoecker609]

I honestly thought the same thing. I watched this video first as I’m in the market to upgrade from ye olde Capresso I’ve had for ages and mostly do filter/pour overs and keyed in on the timemores (and others). When I popped on over to those reviews, it seemed like the 078 was the clear choice. Like not close. And some skepticism of the 064s. I went back to this video to make sure I wasn’t losing it haha. I’m wondering if the versatility of it being a 64 with more compatible burr sets set it apart? In any case, I don’t know how to feel now especially with what I’ve read to be price increases on the timemores. The wading through the reviews and what not continues!

[@Nichhhhhhh]

I own a Niche Zero and I definitely agree with your take on it! It was exciting and lovely when I first got it but now as I am looking for more clarity in my cup, it seems to fall short. That said, it’s been reaalllly consistent and has never failed me ever! Still my trusty old pal

[@nathanc3189]

you should be doing these kinds of videos like a 'project farm' video and putting up a table with it all results laid out with the ratings for each category and then at the end give it an overal rating combining all categories. this is way too long form full of personal opinion, would be good to get less talking dribble and more cold hard facts and comparisons with results laid out on a table.

[@serdar_k]

Appreciate you putting this together, it's concise and to the point. Bang bang!

[@DannyPrinceps]

None of them is S rated?

[@LanceHedrick]

Like one or two

[@Logan.Shearer]

@@LanceHedrickI understand what this video is but I’d love to see an absolute score given without price as a factor. I want to know what makes the best coffee with the best workflow period

[@damland1357]

@@Logan.ShearerHe has mentioned that the EG1 is the best one, if price is not an issue then that’s the one.

[@LanceHedrick]

@@Logan.Shearer eg1

[@johnl7374]

@@LanceHedrick I didn’t see any S ratings either?

[@Lionskatana]

Great Video. It became very hard to navigate the current market. Thanks.❤ I think this list is great for new reviews too 😊

[@cameron5980]

lance might dethrone james Hoffman as coffee dad

[@GraysonCarr]

He's more of a coffee bro... just my opinion.

[@julianfbeck]

Im here for your gym area, love seeing you talk about jeff and wearing a whoop haha. Great work lance

[@SBTones]

Lance, I respect you a lot, but you sound like you are biased on some of these models. For example: You gave the Baratza Encore ESP an A while you gave the Fellow Opus a C. You didn't comment on anything other than the feel, sound and the dialing system on these 18 seconds. I believe the sub 200$ grinder category is really important because there is a big market for them and there aren't enough grinders out there to compete, so you should have covered it a bit more imo. So, for anyone out there interested in the sub 200$ category, I absolutely disagree with Lance here. The Fellow Opus is a great grinder that can do both filter and espresso really well (for the price). The sound and feel are just fine and the dialing system is okey once you get used to it (there is a brilliant smartphone app to help you there). It doesn't feel cheap at all. And the best thing about it is that it has the anti-static thing, like the Fellow Ode does, and also its cover functions as a bellows, giving you nearly 0 retention. Many reviews out there point out the same things as I did, and most of them if not everyone is recommending the Fellow Opus over the Baratza Encore ESP.

[@LanceHedrick]

So, because you disagree, I'm biased? Weird take. I have done full reviews on both. Sorry you don't like my opinion, but literally all of this is my opinion. You're allowed to disagree, but getting all upset is just weird.

[@SBTones]

@@LanceHedrick no I didn't mean it like that. I would just like to know a bit more about your thought process on these 2 grinders and why you ranked them the way you did. Just like you covered most of the grinders in your list.

[@LanceHedrick]

Next time, just ask instead of levying accusations, perhaps?

[@SBTones]

@@LanceHedrick I am not an english native speaker and maybe I sounded more negative than I intented to. Perhaps "biased" was not the correct word. All I wanted to say was that I wish you covered all grinders on your list an equal amount of time with enough facts, pros and cons. Hopefully my intentions are clearer now. I appreciate your work.

[@Trenckyherbs]

@@SBTones Your take here is totally reasonable. You're not the one 'getting all upset'!

[@plemm]

Loved the video, Lance. Looking forward to seeing more videos in this style! The price dependent ratings make a lot of sense in my opinion

[@adrianplaysslots]

I’ve been waiting for a tiered grinder video! Thank you!

[@brentwalker8596]

Cool rankings. I've had the DF64 Gen2 with DLC burrs for a couple months and am very happy with it.

[@eoingubbins1187]

This style is dope, I also think it would be a great way to do a review for an individual grinder/espresso machine, with each category covered and a sum up grade at the end, obviously subjective but really useful for those considering purchase. Great job Lance!

[@thegreatexchange4u]

Another great video, very informative! It would be great to see a final list/recap of all the grinders, with pricing, at the tiers you've placed them in. I'd also love to see the Fiorenzato AllGround in there.. as it's perfectly slotted to complete with the X54 and the like.

[@almyp]

Very helpful! This style helps puts reviews in context to enable buying decisions.

[@andrewreida6514]

Heck yeah, Femobook A68 gang here. I didn't want to play the pre-order game and it was the best-looking option that I could just purchase and have it show up. It got here in 3 days. Your video gave me a ton of confidence in the purchase, and I absolutely love the grinder.

[@j.delalala]

I’ve had mine for 10 months and I really enjoy it. I do use it for both filter and espresso :)

[@rossbrown6649]

This was helpful to me, now on my 4th grinder, a df83. It got me to construct a 20 deg. angled base for it to make its flow path more direct. I use the df for espresso and a K-6 for brews.

[@PhillipLangenkamp]

Loved the video! I thought it was a great collection of summaries of your opinions. I wish people were better about understanding that they're just opinions based your experience. They're welcome to disagree or ignore it if they want. Personally, though, I loved it and would love to see more like it!

[@derringera]

Your words were awesome. Also the Jeff Nippard reference was awesome 😅. I would expect a visual of the tiers for this kind of thing. If I didn't already have my purchase decision narrowed down to 2 or 3 then I would have been lost in this sea of options by the end without that visual.

[@danmatthews4803]

Yes to more of these. I’d love to see this for espresso machines. I’d also be interested in a version that weights price as the most (or one of the most) important variables.

[@RomainLussier]

Tremendous video! Really loved it. Try to bind it with a date in the title. I really hope you'll be able to do that on a yearly basis! 😊

[@AnotherAnonymousMan]

I see them gains, Lance... You can't fool me- you lifting and the Jeff Nippard reference proves it! 😁 Thanks for taking the time to make this video- just wished there was a visual summary at the end! Ignore the downvotes: people get buthurt and feel the need to defend their own purchase decisions- happens in every hobbyist industry (see Hi-fi, cycling, watches etc).

[@mouldyjon]

Just bought the Timemore 064s after a few of your comments thanks Lance 🙏

[@vaibhavmishra2331]

Hi, lance! Long-time viewer, first-time commenter. I definitely enjoy the foray into tier lists, but do agree that a chart would be a bit more helpful. I'd love one on hand grinders too!

[@berndkraemer2832]

Thanks for this great video Lance. To the point as always. I love my Moca SD and I am using it with a Cremina. The workflow is fantastic and build quality is fabulous. Thanks for your honest ranking - at $1450, I'd drop it to a B since it is way too expensive!

[@robertmullins9639]

So excellent that you would do this!!! What a resource!!! Thank you!

[@ericpeterson1383]

I love this video. Thank you for putting this together.

[@wesmccormick2249]

I did like this style! As someone wanting to get hand grinder I would love to see a video like this for hand grinders!