Land Rover / Jaguar Ingenium Engine Failures... DO NOT BUY!

[@philipnorth9606]

When our last full fat RR was stolen after nine months of ownership, we celebrated with champagne, never again...

[@ciaranburke3243]

Same crap with ford look at there wet belt engines i got caught out on that one never again thanks for sticking your neck out here 👍

[@williambaird8807]

Wet belts I always laugh when I hear that years ago we were told explicitly do not get oil anywhere near a new timing belt . Now they run them in oil . It’s as if they want them to fail

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

What went through your mind when you thought it was a good idea to buy a car with a wet belt engine, just asking.

[@markfox1545]

You heard about sentences and punctuation but disagree with the concept, do you? Oh, it's THEIR not THERE, by the way.

[@Vincent-dc6ku]

I own an F Pace with the 2L Ingenium engine. It's a wonderful engine when working correctly, smooth and powerful, connected to the ZF 8 speed auto box is a joy to drive, but, they do have issues. The oil and filter service must be done religiously at or before 5000 miles. Decent regular journeys of over 60 miles to regenerate the DPF naturally, switch off the stop start, it may contribute to timing chain issues. The 2019 and later models apparently have uprated timing chain kits, if true, the later model the better. This engine hates regular short journeys and extended oil changes. I used a vacuum pump to remove the oil, the filter is on top of the engine, it's a simple job to do yourself, £80 for an oil and filter change every 5000 miles is a price worth paying. Oil dilution is the biggest threat to the engines longevity, diesel is used to increase the temperature of the DPF when regenerating, meaning it attempts to burn off excess soot and ash in the DPF, if the natural regeneration cycle is interrupted , eg, the engine switched off during a regen, excess diesel is washed down into the oil pan, diluting the oil which over time will shred the bottom end bearings and bores, compression is lost, hence, an engine rebuild or change is required. Regular oil changes are part of the answer. They are fabulous engines but need nurturing, the car itself is a joy to drive, but spoiled by always wondering if what's going on under the bonnet is going to result in a huge bill. Such a shame, a great car but with issues .

[@colinbailey6236]

Exactly this; stay firm on the oil changes :)

[@peenergysolutionslimited8903]

Good advice on the stop start. I shall turn my off.

[@ingopaul67]

Eventually this unreliability and contempt for customers will bite JLR on the ass, lets hope so.

[@marcusbingham1625]

But hasn't this shit been going in for many many years. Most in the most unreliable top 10 all the time

[@markfox1545]

*arse.

[@breakingbrad2129]

I got promoted at work which come with a nice extra paycheck, and for the longest time I've talked myself into getting a Land Rover simply for the fanciness of it without thinking logically. Your videos on just how bad value for money are have honestly been a godsend. I've gone back to the drawing board and purchased a Honda CRV. I wanted something bigger than the Corsa I had as I have an expanding family and honestly couldn't be happier. Thanks a ton!

[@ScottishCarClan]

Delighted to hear! You’ve saved yourself a packet. Enjoy

[@G4RY1159]

Make them as cheap as possible and sell them for as much as possible, you'd THINK a manufacture such as Land Rover / Jaguar could get it RIGHT by now, it's utter BS! and should be called out for what it is, just plain utter BS! Not good enough.

[@bikersoncall]

Nuclear power is no more renewable than than what we currently have, and the absolute worst and most irresponsible choice in human history, it is what has been one of the key drivers to the 'G' movement from the start, just one that they didn't have to 'name'. See; Hegelian Dialectic; Problem Reaction Solution

[@RangieNZ]

This whole situation is so sad. JLR really started it's decent when Tata bought it. LR used to mean heavy duty, long life vehicles - my 27 year old Range Rover is still going strong (- I've had it for 20 years now). I've really loved it, but I'm struggling to find another LR vehicle that doesn't have stupid faults.

[@dratonbalat3423]

They were way more crappie before Tata. Actually, they got a bit better after Tata, but so did most cars lately.

[@peterleechxj40]

I have a 2017 Jag XE 2ltr diesel , my car has done 81000 miles, I'm probably tempting fate now but i hasn't missed a beat. i change the oil every 5k with good quality oil and i do a full service every other time. i certainly dont agree with land rover saying every 21k, you are just asking for trouble. every other tank of fuel i put premium diesel in, and to be fair other them maintenance costs its never let me down. all cars have issues if you dont maintain them correctly .

[@oliverclarke5830]

My 2.0 xe has done 225k!!!! Runs like a dream! Had a full service every 10,000 miles!

[@mohamedelasmai8371]

Est ce que vous utilisez la 0w30 svp comme huile de vidange ?

[@PNoblesGarage]

Then you should be wise and sell it immediately. Talking from experience from a very similar standpoint!

[@peterleechxj40]

I understand where your coming from, sometimes it's better the devil you know, I could buy nothing but trouble, that's the worry..I know every inch of my jag and even the mot test station said to me , I've never seen such a clean and unmolested 7 year old car, I couldn't give any advisory even if I wanted to

[@peenergysolutionslimited8903]

Bought a Disco Sport in 2022 from Carbase, it had a cracked DPF. Nine months later after Carbase failed to replace the DPF i took it to Land Rover who replaced it at a cost of £2.5K. Carbase contributed £700 the rest i did through my RAC warranty. This year whilst in France the sixth gear kept slipping out. It now needs a new transmission, cost £3.5K. I used to have Honda CRVs, brilliant cars. So, once i have had the transmission replaced the Disco is going and i am buying a CRV.

[@finesoul677]

Two words, Toyota Landcruiser. There’s a reason why you see Aussies driving them all around their country, there’s a reason why the United Nations use them in war zones, there’s a reason why the Africans use them in the game national parks, there’s a reason why the Arabs use them in the dessert. You never see a LAME Rover in these places.

[@dfor50]

I have a Jaguar XF with the 2.0 litre diesel engine. It has 143,000 kilometres and still goes like a rocket.

[@huwrichards9016]

Long service times on modern vehicles are killing them. It's come to a point that vehicles need oil changes every 6 months or 3000 miles, as it was 50 yrs ago. Even with modern oils, disposable engines seems the way manufacturers think, and let the buyers pay.

[@lewis72]

I will do an oil change every year or 8000 miles or so. As I read a few years ago... oil is cheap, engines aren't.

[@huwrichards9016]

@@lewis72 I'm afraid once a year is too long for modern engine's or 8k miles. Just my opinion if you keep vehicle a long time. I expect 20 yrs. Currant vehicle's are 24 and 23. Yrs old.

[@lewis72]

@@huwrichards9016 I bought a 2003 E60 530i on 84k miles back in 2011. I still have it. It's now on 203k miles. I've done the oil changes every year using fully synth.

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I think these can fail no matter what you do to them. Same with the 3.0 they sold, they like to snap the crankshaft.

[@KipKippax]

I've known about problems with these engines for quite a while thanks to O'Rileys the Mobile mechanic on You Tube who has nothing but bad things to say about them . The previous 2.2 engine it seems was quite reliable in comparison and ran up to around 2016 .

[@khalidacosta7133]

The 2.2 was the Peugeot / Citroen diesel engine. Pretty much indestructible.

[@markperry5975]

Ingenium needs an oil change every 3000 to 4000 miles!

[@G-ra-ha-m]

And an engine change every 30000 miles...

[@Nick-bp7jf]

You are spot on mark. The only thing the average owner can do is ignore the land rover service intervals and change the oil at your suggested intervals.

[@ArkadyRenko1]

@@G-ra-ha-m 😂

[@peenergysolutionslimited8903]

@@G-ra-ha-m 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@venelinkeremedchiev9643]

😂😂😂​@@G-ra-ha-m

[@peteandmaggie8570]

I've just moved away from Land Rover after 25 years of ownership. I just don't want to take the risk with them anymore.

[@AaronJumper]

Just only get the 3.0 TDV6, nothing wrong with it

[@endopaxd.5195]

Moving away from one of the largest manufacturers of automotive electromechanical 💩in the history of the world is very likely the most intelligent decision you have ever made. Great news!

[@peteandmaggie8570]

There is nothing wrong with the V6 apart from the crankshaft snapping problems....which my mate had on a 2 year old motor....new engine.

[@Actually-y7j]

Correct! These kak vehicles are intentionally designed to catastrophically fail so that JLR can profiteer . Them idiot suckers that buy them have no basic technical or engineering knowledge

[@oceandrive7283]

​@AaronJumper Just the rest of the crap it's attached to😂

[@CarsofGlasgow]

I hear this all the time, most recently a 2016 F Pace owner had his 2.0l diesel blow and a replacement engine is required

[@cb8491]

My only Land Rover / Jaguar car experience was a Range Rover Velar. It was, hands down, the WORST car ownership experience I have ever endured. Not only down to the faults with the car, of which there were plenty and continuous, but also the after sales experience with the dealership which was just excruciatingly painful. I sold the car at the 6 months mark after almost losing the will to live, and vowed NEVER to own a Land Rover / Jaguar or even set foot in a Land Rover / Jaguar dealership ever again and I warn others to do the same. The brand is a joke.

[@leccybadger]

Strangely, despite continued faults and atrocious dealer service, my sister is on her second Velar after years of non trouble free ownership of other JLR products. Totally blind to any other brand, I've given up trying to remove the blinkers 😂😂😂

[@cblack1green]

I have after many years of landrover left the brand, how JLR can keep getting away with these catastrophic failures is beyond me.

[@hedydd2]

It’s because another mug walks through their showroom door every five minutes. Proper customer service and product back-up is alien to JLR and its dealers, some of whom must be as frustrated as their customers [to be fair].

[@Nick-bp7jf]

Land Rover have form for this. Remember the disastrous K-Series engine in the Freelander 1? They fitted it for 7 years despite knowing it had serious head gasket issues. The Chinese who bought the tooling to make that engine had the problem fixed in a breath. You can get the upgraded parts now. If you really want a Land Rover product then find an older one with the 2.2 diesel in it.

[@lewis72]

I was on the engine development programme for the 4 cylinder Ingenium engine. I can guarantee that it wasn't designed to fail. I wasn't involved in the timing change sub assembly, so wouldn't be able to comment on that but with regards to the overall reliability, the aim was to be at least as good as Merc, Audi & BM, even if that isn't the case !

[@honda2384]

they tried their best but sadly don't have the deligence of Japan engineer. Also Japan supply chain, dense, Kehien, Hitachi is a step ahead European car don't last

[@garymiller7218]

21.000 miles oil change recommended on diesel igneium from jlr. No wonder they blow up ,so u get another one😅

[@markperry5975]

Needs to be 3000-4000 miles.

[@hedydd2]

I really do not think that short oil changes would make a blind bit of difference to what are intrinsically flawed designs. I’m fairly sure that the oil would be within spec to at least 15,000 miles. They just don’t build them to last but with several major design flaws. The timing chain issue, you would think could be completely eliminated by a routine update at the factory, as indeed should all the other faults that really should not have gone passed the initial product testing stage let alone go into production and into the hands of consumers. These engines are not new to the market and should be 100% sorted by the factory now. Somehow I doubt it.

[@jagvolvo33]

@@hedydd2 no m8 i dropped my oil last week castrol edge only done 7k was consistancy of piss and it was stone cold .

[@hedydd2]

@@jagvolvo33 Depending on the application, yours may be an early transverse variant that is prone to diesel fuel contamination. Otherwise the recommended viscosity new oil is very thin from the can.

[@simonh870]

Yep, fella I work with just had to for out £4000 for engine related repairs on his 60,000 miles 2.0 Diesel Jag XE.

[@mattipalmunen3276]

Well, here’s another XE 2.0 Ingenium diesel: 170 000 km without any problems.

[@simonh870]

@@mattipalmunen3276 There was a time a few years ago that all Diesel engines would do 200k (miles) without a rebuild, now it is the exception not the rule

[@mattipalmunen3276]

⁠@@simonh870… or even 500 000 kilometers… But with these Ingenium-motors it’s also a matter how you take care of it. First of all you must change the oil at least every 10 000 km. There are also good with this motor, for example it is very economic and pleasent to drive.

[@DavidAnderson-vt8iq]

How or why anyone would buy anything from Lemon Rover is unfathomable to me. I will certainly never have another after owning a Defender many years ago. Once bitten. Thanks for the video.

[@fasthracing]

Mainly bought new on PCP finance. So no probs for original owners.

[@dcasteaux9181]

Best solution in my view is to buy a 2008 era VW with the old 1.9PD diesel engine. Still a few sub 100k cars out there. Then run it to 250,000 miles with basic maintenance.

[@isaachunt5799]

german shite. never buy any german car. toyota corolla best car you'll ever own

[@StephenOverthrow]

Yeah, while everything else fals apart. Water leaks, failed electric windows, door locks, central locking. VW don't build them like they used to. My last Passat gave up the goast after 130,000. And that was with VW recommended servicing. Never again. Mazda 6 now with no issues for 3 years.

[@densalbeach1]

I was looking at a Discovery Sport and started doing a bit of homework on reliability. Sure enough, loads out there about engine, dpf, running gear and cats, all bad. Completely put me off what should be a cracking vehicle.

[@Wunderbaumsporting]

You could get the 2.2d that is way more reliable.

[@densalbeach1]

Heard that is the better engine, but there is too many other issues with the vehicle I don't want to take the chance.

[@oceandrive7283]

​@Wunderbaumsporting Problem is, that's an old, rough engine . Might be more reliable but no refinement.

[@Wunderbaumsporting]

@@oceandrive7283 That´s true. I would go for a RR Sport or Disco 5 with 3.0d. It is fairly reliable and more importantly fantastic to drive.

[@joeymac6970]

@@WunderbaumsportingIs the 3.0 not this “Ingenium” make then? Cheers

[@davidlundrigan1435]

Its been like this for years. Its not just the Ingenium engines. The Disco 3, Disco 4, Disco 5, RR sport and the FF Range Rover all suffered Engine Failures due to Crank shafts snapping on the 2.7 and 3.0 tdv6/sdv6 engines.

[@lewis72]

That diesel TDV6 is the Lion Ford/Peugeot.

[@davidlundrigan1435]

@@lewis72 Yep and could’ve been a fantastic engine

[@lewis72]

@@davidlundrigan1435 IIRC, the 2.7s are more likely to suffer crank failures than the 3.0s, however, both have an offset flying web, which is evil for stress concentration.

[@davidlundrigan1435]

@@lewis72 Its actually the 3.0 which suffers the most with crank failures. The 2.7 had two main failures, one which was the Oil pump casting would snap at the mounting point, normally after cam belt change causing catastrophic damage. the second is the main bearing shells would spin blocking the oil ways allowing the crank tho fail due to oil starvation. On 3.0 its literally down to to the forging process during manufacturing and is very well documented. having owned the 2.7 and currently owning the 3.0, id say the 2.7 is the better engine having suffered crank failure in current 3.0.

[@lewis72]

@@davidlundrigan1435 I stand corrected ! I think that both were out-of-the-box from Ford/Peugeot.

[@colinbailey6236]

My other half has had two of the ingeniums from new and put 200k+ on them. Its all about maintenance and regular oil drops. No significant issues on both of the cars.

[@billturner6564]

Bollox

[@colinbailey6236]

@@billturner6564 she absolutely does. I maintain them Bill. If you have evidence to the contrary, provide it, else your comment is worthless.

[@jimb7406]

@@colinbailey6236 Colin I believe you. These engines don't do well as urban school run type usage. They have to regen all the time causing excessive fuel dilution to the oil. The excessive diesel fuel breaks down the oil lubrication properties and combined with long oil change intervals the chains wear etc. Used on long runs they will naturally regen and not have the same fuel contamination issues. I still wouldn't have one though - too many other electrical problems are common.

[@colinbailey6236]

​@@jimb7406correct Jim. These were both picked up from the LR dealer, one 8 (well just over 7) years ago, one 7 years ago. My wife uses them for business runs. I drop the oil every 4k. They really have been easy cars to own and she's obsessed with them. Only issue I've experienced was a bonnet sensor on one and a door actuator on the other. Both very basic fixes. Been "cheap" motors apart from the initial £45k x 2 😁😁😁

[@G-ra-ha-m]

Sounds rather unlikely, but hey, some people win the lottery, it's rare but perhaps sometimes it happens.

[@brandywell44]

Just remember that government legislation is in major part driving engine design and that durability is suffering because of this.

[@richardchandler6976]

At least 10 JLR cars in my wider family and close friends. No serious issues but maintenance is done, mostly annually

[@bariscam843]

If you see a discovery on the road, it is either going to the service or coming from the service, especially discovery 2.0 ingenium engine.😂😂😂

[@lesnorris]

Just got a 2018 2 ltr petrol LR disco sport, ran fine they said, 3rd cyl misfire, I thought head gasket, when we got it out an exhaust valve had burnt a hole causing the miss. Fixed it fine but should this happen at 50k. Ps did it myself cost me £500 with parts and head skim ect,had to buy timing kit and special spanners . I rang 12 garages only 1 would touch it but wanted to only do rebuild at £4,500. Most garages only want to do the easy stuff now.

[@robertmcneil5648]

I have had 2 new jags since 2020 with the igenium D200 engine, and both have been brilliant with no issues.in fact would rate them amongst the best I have had in comparison to previous mercedes, audi etc

[@Hayley1993]

My dad has a MK1 and still after watching your buyers guide he still wants a MK2! 😂

[@andywoodvine]

Really enjoying your informative videos they are excellent. Do you know if the newer D300 engine is proving generally more reliable than the SDV6 engine and if there have there been any cases of Crankshafts failing in the D300? Many thanks Andy

[@phillipjknight]

I understand all your valid points but mine is 87000 miles on mine I had the chains done because of stories and believed them with you would be a fool not to but I love mine and it is lovely. Service service service

[@jonibz1456]

Happy with my very old Evoque which had the old reliable Ford Engine, i have just told a friend if you buy one second hand, get a older ford one, not the Ingenium.

[@davidoldboy5425]

Agreed, there should be more publicity surrounding the rubbish engines out there, the well known wet belt problems on Ford ecoboost and Citroen/Peugeot 1.2 engines. The problems with Kias especially fires, problems with plastic parts especially BMW as vessels age, and Volkswagen woes. All of these problems seem to slip under the net as people continue to buy them? you wouldn't get away with this with other commodities would you?

[@broughxtreme]

You didn't talk about ANY brands from Japan? Funny that. Datsun, Toyota, Subaru fan. NZ.

[@davidoldboy5425]

@@broughxtreme Oh they're not squeaky clean but seem to do better

[@jubrum2476]

Ive had quite a few of these cars... never had an issue at all. Its ok to buy LR and RR and youll be smiling when in the snow youre passing BMWs and Audis thats cant move. (Ive had them too and they are not reliable)

[@hoost3056]

Ok, I'll put my two pence in. I've owned Fords for quite a while and anything that fixes Ford problems I will use it. I also drove trucks for a long time and have diesel experience. I have used Schaeffers full synthetic in all of my vehicles that I have done fleet work in and they have been stone reliable. The Buick Lucerne has a known transmission defect, yet with the Schaeffers fluid it still keeps going, and that is with 150k+ miles on it. My 2019 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid has almost 157k on it and runs like new, and only had Mobil 1 in it once ( couldn't get Schaeffers ). The only other brand that equals or exceeds Schaeffers is Lubrication Engineers oil. I'd love to take an unreliable combination, change the lubricants and run it commercially to prove how well just running the products works.

[@nullvoid3990]

Aussie here so this is why I don't see any anymore anywhere used to be very popular SUVs here

[@daviddodds935]

You must be livin in the wrong area mate 1 Thousands of them around here

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I would not want to be crossing the Aussie wilderness in a JLR car. That's suicidal.

[@jasonharryphotog]

I saw on one of the Audi channels the manufacturers are reducing some engine oil pressures to help with emissions ie less internal engine drag, Could this in part be the problem with a lot of engines lately? To meet emissions they do stuff not to the benefit of the customer long term.

[@MARTINA-gc3tq]

Amazing that a lawyer firm doesn’t initiate a class action against JLR.

[@jubrum2476]

probably because they are more reliable than these people say. Ive had quite a few of these and never had a problem. I have had BMWs and Audis that have been awful though

[@Hjd10]

@@jubrum2476, this guy changes timing chains that have been farmed out from JLR... kzbin.info/www/bejne/noirYWmiqpydarc

[@jagvolvo33]

@@jubrum2476 totally agree ,

[@DebraLeighfield]

They are now. But will take years and by then thousands more consumers will be affected. I hope a few year do it as it’s needed. One is going for £3bn!

[@stuyates2447]

My Dads had his 2015 RR Sport Diesel for 3 years and it hasnt missed a beat. Serviced on the dot every year, covers only 5k per annum and hasnt had one single issue with the car. If they were all that bad then you wouldnt see them on our roads. Fact is they are everywhere and I wont believe that they are as unreliable as people say. OK, abuse them, neglect servicing etc then yes you will be asking for trouble but look after them and they will treat you well.

[@honda2384]

its coming buddy, when your dad needs to go somewhere urgent, the car is going to hiss

[@silvertain1978]

Had a disco sport for 4 years turbo went 1 day out of warranty, timing chain replacement twice alloys constantly cracked, boot hydrollics went , cameras went. Steering column went all in 50k miles!Just reset latest engine warning lights and traded it in feels like a weight of my shoulders

[@lv4077]

Ok,I’ve owned 5 Range Rovers,still driving two,over the last 10 years and I’ve not had a single engine problem.Im in the US and maybe I got the only five decent ones but what the hell is happening? No manufacturer would be dumb enough to purposely build crap but it’s possible

[@davidlang3625]

I saw a cut away Ingenium engine at the Gaydon Motor Museum. I could not believe the size of the timing chain which looked like something off a bicycle. Unfortunately its not just JLR products, my wife's Audi TFSI engine has the same timing chain issues. How can technology that's been around for hundreds of years be designed so wrong...?

[@steves5172]

Making a profit is the motive, who cares about owners? Not JLR certainly!

[@Tonymason762]

JLR deserve to fail. My wife had a 2015 Discovery Sport, didn’t have any engine issues ( she had the 2.2 Diesel engine which I think is a better engine) but had lots of other annoying faults including a head unit issue which nobody could fix . One JLR specialist reckons that JLR place a 10 year/100,000 miles life expectancy on their engines. Thats pretty grim given how much they cost. My guess is that people will get wise to the issues and stop buying them. We took a £10,000 hit to get rid of her Discovery Sport as we just had no confidence whatsoever in the car. They’re shite as they say up here in Yorkshire 😂

[@bostonbikebits6539]

I had an XF with the 3.0 v6 Lion engine in it, it suddenly and unexpectedly put a rod through the block. I did a tin of research and found there were several major design issues with the engine and that failures are frequent. You can buy xf parts for nothing, except a decent used engine will sell for more than a complete car as late model Range Rovers use the same engine. Supply is smaller than demand where so many blow. I will never have a modern Jag ever again, I have had 7, this last one has left a bad taste.

[@therealcyrus]

Hey i have a 3.0 fpace. 2017 v6. Should i expect any issues other than coolant? thanks

[@scotnicoll4030]

I’ve had a 2020 Defender from new with the 2l diesel engine and have had zero faults, we have now reached 32000 miles and it’s 3.5 yrs old and going strong. In fact the only issue has been the rear parking sensor which was replaced under warranty. Pentland Perth have been first class, I appreciate that this might be a rarity but would buy another one tomorrow. Motor is a D240 HSE

[@russellmills4878]

Why oh why don't these bloggers ever differentiate between the d250 and p300 in their title?. There are 2 different fuel types of Ingenium engine with vastly different reliability profiles

[@gavinfountain1182]

Yes and putting the bloody timing chain behind the flywheel a shit design take longer to replace should of gone on the other end of the engine and made simpler to replace

[@Chris-jy3dm]

Also Astra timing chains are behind the flywheel awful bad design 🙈👎

[@DaleSteel]

Most chains have plastic guides. With oil shouldn't be an issue.

[@ScottishCarClan]

Great point I should have elaborated. It’s a brittle plastic in these that starts to break down. The little particles start to block oil pick ups and it’s borrowed time from there.

[@DaleSteel]

@ScottishCarClan I'm not defending JLR. I'm on of their biggest critics. The v6 diesel has had known problems for decades and still hasn't been addressed. Brand new cars and cars with over 300k miles and bang suddenly crank snaps. It's far more common than realised. The ingenium engines (as a car seller) I do not touch. Only jlr engines I touch are the v6 petrol. V8 petrol(same engine same block even) and the 2.2d was the best engine they ever put in jlr stuff but that go defunct in 2016 I think. Wasn't a jag engine anyway

[@waynemiller4602]

​@@ScottishCarClanso what do you expect the guides should be made of then...the metal that the chains are made from is crap,so they stretch that much it can only then take out the plastic guides and the tensioner is out as far as it can go to keep the chain tight

[@lukabilic6081]

@@waynemiller4602 if the metal is crap and plastic is a problem, isn't there an aftermarket design with better metal alloy for chain, tensioners and guides that are more durable? That should, pretty much, solve the main problem. Then it's up to regular oil and filter changes.

[@waynemiller4602]

@@lukabilic6081 early oil changes are a must,not the miles the dealers say,but the chains are still rubbish metal,,never used to change a timing chain in the 90's like we do now...we used 20/50 oil in them days with no failures

[@mikemcnulty6029]

Several of my friends own Range Rovers, and I spend a lot of my time running them or picking them up from RR dealers. I wouldn't go near them even if I was given one!

[@chiko1406]

Just got mine back yesterday after an 8k rebuild after timing chain failure at 32000 miles shocking how Land Rover are getting away with this

[@AlexLR]

How many oil changes did it have in those 32k?

[@chiko1406]

@@AlexLR only the 3 but you learn from it unfortunately

[@vannjunkin8041]

We ALL need to go back to pushrod V8, inline 6 and 4 cyl. The double overhead cams with timing chain does not have longevity. Its great when healthy, but when stressed..

[@sirjosephwhitworth9415]

BL, they still look like a Leyland car and still have the same reputation. Owning a LR product must be a sleep depriving experience. Having said that, I owned in the 80s a SIII XJ6 for about eight years and it never let me down, wonderful car.

[@myjunkmai1]

Lexus RX 450h 7 years no problems daily driver. 85K miles 12 years old. All I've done is service, tyres, brake pads, some bulb changes, spark plugs at 60k miles. 😊

[@graingerblaze]

My 65 plate disco sport has done 58k and never missed a beat. I change the oil every 10k, might start doing it more often now it’s covered a few miles. Servicing is key, but like most car brands. Had most makes, engine failure in a BMW, air suspension collapsed in a Mercedes, DPF in a Renault… all brands can have lemons but it’s a shame JLR have not fixed things for their own reputation. Love my car but it will be my last from JLR… going Honda or Toyota next 😊

[@greathey1234]

Unfortunately many people especially women know nothing about mechanics. They want modern tech and soft plastics lol

[@markdavis2475]

While I understand your point about lady owners, I find more guys than ever, know very little about the vehicles they own. It makes me mad when they relate clearly false info they've been given about their vehicles.

[@shaun30-3-mg9zs]

I know some one with Land Rover Evoque petrol no bother with it and yet I do believe the diesel unit is a poor engine and suffers a lot of big failures and at big costs, good tip on the Land Rover diesel engine, don't buy one, take care

[@cthorno2991]

I got a 2016 XE with the ford petrol motor for this reason. I saw there were FB pages dedicated to ingeniums blowing up. Yeesh.

[@gordonleitchman9489]

I really fancied a RR sport or an F pace when I was changing the car but their engines terrified me as I don’t have pockets deep enough for them! Stuck with my XC90, they’re not perfect but they’ve never let me down.

[@weekendwet1]

Life is too short for repairing Land Rovers.

[@presidentxd]

Bought a discovery sport recently with 140k kms on it.garage did timing chain week i bought it was 2500 euro with a gearbox oil change.we wernt charged for it but gave us the receipt from jlr to show it was done.

[@BionicRusty]

It’s like they do it on purpose. I bought a three year old XF, 2.7D and only weeks out of the warranty, the engine ate itself. JLR wanted over £12k to fix it (new engine, new turbos). The cause, as identified by the AA and then confirmed verbally by JLR (they would not put in writing), was the known DPF issue where the DPF blocked and caused diesel to make its way into the engine oil. Common problem which JLR just won’t own. Given that it had already had over £10k of logged warranty repairs, I saw sense and scrapped the car. Full JLR service history. I actually sold it for scrap. JLR were despicable to deal with and their ‘customer service’ department were a bunch of condescending t*&ts.

[@JubbyCustard]

Toyota and Honda both have plastic guides on their timing chain The issue is that they use the wrong grade steel on the tube forthe ferrule on the timing chain. When they went to source the chain, they went to a Japanese company and to a French company.. needless to say they did not buy Japanese Also the peak talk safety factor in the design was 1.5 , it was only increased to 2.8 in the 2020 revision. Essentially, it’s just very poor specification. Most of the manufacturers went to an inputted tooth design, but Jaguar stayed with roller bearing

[@paulbrook2459]

Thanks for your video 👍I’ve completely moved away from all modern diesel engines, just too many bolt on part to pass euro 5/6 legislation that fail on all models! I’m even thinking of buying electric 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ulysees321]

is it only the 2.0D that has the issues or the petrol to and the 3.0 and 5.0svr ? not buying one, would never buy a JLR, just curious

[@alexandrecouture2462]

And the Jag AJ6/Aj16 was extremely good.

[@joobie1000]

I agree with comments on honda cars, i had a civic type r gt 2010 for over 4 years it never missed a beat, its a shame really becuase the xf & xe are good looking cars

[@matthewhaddon599]

Good engines if you change the oil at 5k intervals. Do not change your oil at 20k intervals. Timing chains are supposed to be ok from about 2018MY.

[@zubairshah1612]

2019 onwards, got mine done too cost 2.7k. All done but shouldnt need doing

[@rustyrodzuk]

My 2016 XE R Sport 2.0l diesel is booked in for timing chains, sprockets and guides (£2100 Jaguar specialist Doncaster) in a few weeks, its done 110000 miles I am doing it as a precaution its not started to rattle yet but I am sure its imminent. Oil and filter changed at 5k miles not 21k. The balance shaft bearings also can fail and the big end bearings can fail also. I will run it into the ground as they have such bad reputation its resale value will be next to nothing

[@BenWharfe-vr1pn]

They have a saying in Australia and it goes something like this “If you want to go into the outback buy a landrover. If you want to come back again buy a Toyota.”

[@RichieRouge206]

I hate this throwaway society and it's all geared to buying new rather than making old last. I've got a 20yo Volvo and will keep that going as long as I can. This vile attitude of not caring is not only car manufacturers but also any service or brand it seems too. And the planned obsolescence is a fact - a pergect example are all these ridiculous 3 cylinder turbo engines that even Ford has admitted are only designed to last 100k. It's pathetic. Great video

[@24bellers20]

I was told that after November 2019 the chain issue was cured during manufacturing by change in the sprockets and chain quality. 🤷🏻‍♂️. Have to agree with the Honda reliability.

[@williambaird8807]

For the average person stay away from them they will fail . Having said that I buy them from auction salvage auction but and it’s a big but , I’ll tell you what goes wrong with them . First it all these dpf’s they inject diesel on the exhaust stroke and that then run into the oil , increasing the oil and removing its lubrication properties causing either the big end bearings to start eating into the crank or any other critical points. It can also cause the turbo seal to fail and start running on its own oil. Also the timing chains are only one link thick like a bike chain when the used to be 2 links wide only older cars example td5 discovery , any way the chain was not made correctly ones I have seen some links the pin ain’t ain’t rolled over and will just basically come apart when they feel like it . The only reason I have one is the wife wanted one and I have been fixing car since a teenager and well our has now been heavily modified . Dpf removed , that’s what kills the lubrication egr removed chocked the engine up breathing its own fumes. Balance shafts removed another failure point and just pointless add blue removed. Another complete nonsense, an injector on the exhaust spraying basically water. . The full ecu been reprogrammed removing all the government/ globalists devices. Will it run for a while should do since all the failure point been removed. What I have do for myself it’s just time to pay a garage to do that would be fortunes and Some modifications are illegal if used for road use and not many garages would do them as it could get them shut down. It’s all this globalist bullshit co2 lies . If your a guy/or girl that can do what I listed go for it but one from salvage but if your just Joe block and can’t do anything mechanical please do buy one to pay up it will FAIL and your left with a lump of metal that your still have to pay , please don’t buy one. Look at Toyota. It angers me they do this to people . I ain’t rich just know my way round cars. Landrover are living off the reputation of the series Landrovers and the 200tdi and 300 tdis. Not bling but true work horses and noisy that was where they made their name. This stuff look nice but don’t buy unless your a millionaire and buy new and change every 3 years everyone else stay away god even the new defender got this engine in. That’s the truth

[@julesviolin]

Such a shame because JLR make good looking chariots with gorgeous interiors. However I'll keep my 2015 X351 as it's been 100% since day one. I also have a 2003 SL 55 AMG which has stunning engineering. I've always owned notoriously bad reputation cars 😅 Had a Triumph Stag for 15 years . That didn’t let me down either. However I believe in thorough preventative maintenance which obviously pays off.

[@paulwatson7475]

Try having a Skoda Kodiaq with the 1.5 engine which is used across the VW range, car had an oil,leak within its first year which took two weeks to fix. Now the car has had its first MOT and had £400 pounds of advisories on it with only 20k on the clock ?

[@wmhough]

Just forked out 11K on an engine failure/ replacement for our 2017 Discovery. Aweful. It had done 78K miles.

[@-DC-]

Who would have thought 20k plus oil change intervals would lead to engine failure lolol, I blame the Customers as much as the Manufacturers for wanting this BS.

[@TheSleepychicken]

Over 50 years driving Land Rover products. The engineering has become suspect. No more for me.

[@Oofsmageroo]

So just a heads up almost all timing chains use a plastic guides. Even hondas which absolutely do last much longer. Not saying its a good engine by any means tho

[@peterconnor4193]

I will be returning to the uk next year , been seriously looking at the jaguar 3.0 xf sport break, it's an insurance group 44 or something like that, then I came across the jaguar xe looks great insurance group 24 or something and I don't need a car the size of the xf , but after a little research I will be giving the xe a very wide berth

[@MarkPickerden]

I bought my wife a landrover with this engine , she has had it 10 moths it is a 2020 model which had 22000 miles m i own a garage so i make sur she has the right service, last week she went to drop our daughter off at school ,she phoned to tell me that there was smoke coming out the exhaust, we got it back to my garage; the problem was the turbos had given up, i donot know the reason why. but it is a massive job to do, in the end with parts and my labour it has cost me over £5000 and at this moment in time it is just getting put back together , all i will say is never buy a landrover of any kind,

[@iangibbs4997]

Hey, having a nightmare with my FPace. New rebuild of engine last year, turbo just gone and want another £3.2k for replacement as it’s not part of the engine!!!!!! Not happy 😡 everything on you’re video is 100%

[@therealcyrus]

hey i have a fpace too. What engine is yours? Mine is 2017 3.0 v6 what other issues happened? should i be worried? sorry to hear.

[@lestersmyth692]

Rather than use a duplex type timing chain JLR opted to use a single link variant up until 2019 model year on the ingenious… engine. Now JLR recommends two years or 21k miles between services 😳. So the combination of totality degraded oil and an elastic timing chain combined with a plastic tensioner are a disaster in the making. If you have one of these do more regular oil changes and listen out for a momentary rattle on startup unfortunately most JLR customers appear oblivious and keep on driving with the inevitable occurrence.

[@markdavis2475]

FFS,It's like they looked up the history of the Triumph Stag and thought "hey that sounds good"😂

[@damascus6712]

I have a 2012 range Rover evoque 120 k miles 4 door and the charging system comes on stays started for a little while then shuts off I have a new battery and I doubt it's the alternator I was wondering if it could possibly be the axillary battery? I would really appreciate your advice thank you so much and I love the videos

[@MYTHQUEST91]

My dream car would be a Range Rover Evoque with a BMW inline 6 engine. Sadly we live in such a hypocritical world. Its a nightmare having to deal with the problems of the ingenium engine. So i moved to a BMW X6. Its perfect.

[@hedydd2]

Having dealt with JLR in the past and with around seven vehicles from the company over the years, I agree that this company’s products should be avoided at all costs. Fine vehicles but not built durable enough and with far too many potentially catastrophic faults. Worse, the company ethos when it comes to warranty and product support is dire and sometimes bordering on criminal. Customer care and retention is alien to them. Given even half an opportunity they will shaft you when their poor design or build results in a fault, even within the warranty period. For my sins I have been shafted by them several times when I should have learnt the first time.

[@tambarskelfir]

All chain guides are plastic for a metal timing chain. My 2006 Honda CR-V with almost 500 thousand Km has plastic guides for a metal timing chain, and they have never been changed. Not the guides and not the chain. I agree with your sentiment, but perhaps not the best example of planned obsolescence

[@AnnCastro-r2j]

Thanks for the heads-up! It's really helpful to know about these issues. We sent you an email, take a look.

[@andtime4918]

Does this only affect the diesels?

[@colinhanna-v7u]

Can you advise what can be done for £2K to stop timing belt failures

[@joeymac6970]

Thanks , and what of the 3.0L diesel in the disco?

[@thomsonaj]

Does anyone know of the actual failure rate of the Ingenium engines? Not disputing that there is an issue, just keen to see the actual metric to separate satisfaction surveys (where JLR always seems to perform poorly vs competitors) from actual reliability. It's a shame, as the new 3.0 inline sixes appear to be performing well in the RRS/RR.

[@DebraLeighfield]

I’m trying to pull something together after my 37,000 mile e-pace had blown up. It’s really hard and even harder if you want to cover your butt with data protection. In four days, I have 100 confirmed and another 100 (I’ve found) It’s early days but I’d like to have a few thousand confirmed to get some strength behind it and take this to the media etc. happy doing the leg work to have these engines held accountable!

[@jeffwhite9392]

LDV g10 diesels also have the plastic timing chain guide set-up and guess what ... Plus EGR & turbo waste gate drive issues , but no problem , ya dealer will sell & install a new turbo to fix the unit ( $300 and 10 minute job for the actuator which these a - holes won't sell separately or $7000 ++ for a new turbo sir ! ) Chinese van / European design ; what could possibly go wrong ?

[@DarrenPhillips001]

Just this wk one of my customers appeared in a brand new Range Rover Sport - it was a courtesy car. His brand new defender 130 has a leaking sun roof.

[@stevenfreeman7798]

Anybody know if the 2ltr petrol turbo engine is as bad?

[@TheProco2020]

Currently look to replace my FL2 and Disco Sport not on list due to these issues. What should I get instead?

[@mattjagger4360]

This is an engineered failure. No one (relatively) wants an EV. New petrol and diesel sales will be capped. Revenue has to be generated. A 3 - 6k margin on 'repairs' is about the same as the margin of profit on a new vehicle sale. Call it a conspiracy... it's how I'm hedging my bets.