Lat Pulldown Flaws and Better Back Exercises to Consider

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@matthewobrien6802
@matthewobrien6802 Ай бұрын
Thank you Dr. Mike for helping get my back blown out!
@maxduckie9067
@maxduckie9067 Ай бұрын
i'd word that differently
@pedrocarvalho6609
@pedrocarvalho6609 Ай бұрын
​@@maxduckie9067i wouldn't
@yabrielrivera1162
@yabrielrivera1162 Ай бұрын
​@@maxduckie9067😂😂
@LHB_liak
@LHB_liak Ай бұрын
@@maxduckie9067 Thank you Dr. Mike for telling me to lean over and blowing my back out!
@Last_Respecter
@Last_Respecter Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t
@Sixdramaticsystemsfromamemory
@Sixdramaticsystemsfromamemory Ай бұрын
I dont understand how greg doucette thinks that what your saying is too hard for lifters. Maybe its target audiences or smth, but i find your content very direct and easy to understand.
@marzoval9551
@marzoval9551 Ай бұрын
Greg Doucette simply isn't credible.
@aduantas
@aduantas Ай бұрын
he thinks the average viewer is a dumbass, and given his audience, it makes sense
@SuperheroRockstar
@SuperheroRockstar Ай бұрын
Because there is no shilling for one of his random suppliments.
@zacwilson1251
@zacwilson1251 Ай бұрын
Because Greg Doucette is an idiot
@GOAT-rl2uq
@GOAT-rl2uq Ай бұрын
If Doucette thinks this is too hard for lifters, he must have a very low opinion of his audience.
@williamgandre6211
@williamgandre6211 Ай бұрын
I was just questioning today whether lat pulldowns were working for me. Effectively summarized every issue I've noticed with it. Must be a sign from the universe. Thanks Dr. Mike!
@fk9277
@fk9277 Ай бұрын
Same. It's wild
@droman2
@droman2 Ай бұрын
Reverse closer grip has done wonders for my pull downs. Give them a shot
@Will_Reyes4
@Will_Reyes4 Ай бұрын
Slowing down every lift and focusing more on the stretch has worked for me the most.
@Dlo831SC
@Dlo831SC Ай бұрын
@@Will_Reyes4Absolutely brother, that’s all there is to it.
@artemisia2002us
@artemisia2002us Ай бұрын
Same here.
@luizalex.7424
@luizalex.7424 Ай бұрын
15:57 Ignoring air resistance, classic teacher move!
@yvyneath
@yvyneath Ай бұрын
Hahahahahha
@Ryush806
@Ryush806 Ай бұрын
“Assume the body builder is a sphere”
@kuzev
@kuzev Ай бұрын
nah, air resistance works both ways
@biggunsnum123
@biggunsnum123 Ай бұрын
​@@kuzevBut you're moving faster on the way up therefore adding additional resistance.
@kuzev
@kuzev Ай бұрын
@@biggunsnum123 But for a shorter time :D
@collinmeans8864
@collinmeans8864 Ай бұрын
I seriously can’t get enough of Dr. Mike. I’ve learned more from Dr Mike than I did in 5 years of public school weight lifting and working out with multiple people bigger than me. Nobody taught me as much as Dr Mike, and my gains are greater than they’ve ever been.
@ericmalitz
@ericmalitz Ай бұрын
Not saying much. Nearly any of the current science based fitness influencers with at least some understanding of range of motion make years of mainstream gym culture archaic indeed.
@OptimalGluteHypertrophy
@OptimalGluteHypertrophy 8 күн бұрын
That’s great but Dr Mike is basically a bro scientist with half the stuff he says. Dumbbell pullovers are pretty shit for the Lats. Stretch mediated hypertrophy is very limited especially with a muscle like the Lats which has low activation at those joint angles. Also the whole thing about the “eccentric causing more growth than the concentric” might be one of the greatest misunderstandings of science ever. Yes, eccentric overload training will cause more growth than a regular set of concentric reps to failure, mainly because of the force velocity curve meaning more cross bridges will form on an eccentric contraction than concentric. But that’s only true for eccentric OVERLOAD, meaning you can’t do a concentric rep and the weight involuntarily is lowered. On a regular set, the eccentric is building pretty much no muscle because obviously there is very low mechanical tension if you are lowering a weight that you are able to lift 🤦‍♂️
@collinmeans8864
@collinmeans8864 7 күн бұрын
@ no offense or anything, but I generally take the advice of the guy who is putting his government name on the internet, his credentials are on every single video, he’s fugging enormous, and also has millions of subscribers, over the anonymous commenter on his video. I’m seeing gains better than I ever have from following Dr Mike’s advice. So I’ll stick with what I’m doing.
@OptimalGluteHypertrophy
@OptimalGluteHypertrophy 7 күн бұрын
@ ye that’s fair but what I’m saying is based on the scientific literature, it’s not a matter of just “who you believe”
@JMylesGardner
@JMylesGardner Ай бұрын
Idk where this vid is going yet, but as someone with a weak back, im excited for it.
@macieknowosad3059
@macieknowosad3059 Ай бұрын
Title?
@ReizokoRyu
@ReizokoRyu Ай бұрын
Weak back reporting. I'm excited too
@gariejoyce5263
@gariejoyce5263 Ай бұрын
Saw it, it went no where, still better than pull ups
@Kerithanos
@Kerithanos Ай бұрын
Pardon me! When did you get a weak back?
@RealClintCapela
@RealClintCapela Ай бұрын
Get ready to have it bent over and blown out 🤤🫡🫠
@petesilva9648
@petesilva9648 Ай бұрын
Saw the Jared shirt and failed to pay attention to what was being said lol
@dankcik09
@dankcik09 Ай бұрын
jared without a mohawk might be better.
@techariah
@techariah Ай бұрын
Wait, he was talking?
@kevinnistor1954
@kevinnistor1954 Ай бұрын
Who? The shirt?​@@techariah
@mzninja1862
@mzninja1862 Ай бұрын
😂😂the J Feather shirt is kinda distracting, he’s talking but Im just starring at the shirt😂😂
@claudvigilante
@claudvigilante Ай бұрын
@@dankcik09 That's not a mohawk. That's poop.
@JohnPyle
@JohnPyle Ай бұрын
For years i thought i was broken or messed up for pull-down. Never worked for me the way the other exercises your mention do. Thank you for giving me the permission i needed to focus on what works for ME.
@Edge1234101
@Edge1234101 Ай бұрын
Pull ups + Machine assisted pull ups followed by lat prayers have been a game changer for me. Couldn’t feel as good of a stretch doing pulldowns. This video confirmed my decisions, thanks Mike!
@Drsavation
@Drsavation Ай бұрын
And im confirming, your problem is other...
@michaell3128
@michaell3128 Ай бұрын
​@@Drsavation wt do u mean sir
@KelceyRichard-t1b
@KelceyRichard-t1b Ай бұрын
Please make a whole series about your preferred exercises for all muscles similar to Jeff Nippard- I would watch the entire series for sure and I think it would benefit a lot of others too!
@ILoveWeightedPullups
@ILoveWeightedPullups Ай бұрын
Looking forward to this. I don’t feel my lats getting cooked on the pulldowns the way I feel with weighted pull-ups.
@claybowman1242
@claybowman1242 Ай бұрын
Consider only doing pull-downs after pullups, when you're already fatigued the extra stability feels so good and let's you milk the last bit out of your lats.
@juliano9566
@juliano9566 Ай бұрын
Well, but then again, you do love you some weighted pulled ups, Mr Loves Weighted Pullups.
@999rocky6
@999rocky6 Ай бұрын
i tried those prayers a couple weeks ago, gotta say i was impressed by the way it just rips your back apart
@7Karl1Hungus0
@7Karl1Hungus0 Ай бұрын
That’s what I end my back days with and it always fucks my shit up (in the best way possible). Jarrod does a good video with Nick Walker and Tristen explaining how to do em as proper as possible
@autobface
@autobface Ай бұрын
I tried prayers the day after this video came out and I'm definitely using them to end my back days now. The stretch is amazing.
@peterblum613
@peterblum613 Ай бұрын
This is why I watch Mike (not just for the jokes). I’ve lifted off and on for almost 50 years and never did lat prayers until I saw Mike doing them. Wow they feel great.
@tankissu954
@tankissu954 Ай бұрын
I saw so many comments about lat pulldowns feeling bad. They didn't get me sore too initially, but one day I saw this random reel that said to hold the bar in such a way that my knuckles are directly on top of the bar, and for some reason, I could instantly feel my lats working like never before. Been doing lat pulldowns ever since.
@devindoesvidoes3677
@devindoesvidoes3677 28 күн бұрын
this works in a pullup too, just wrap your hand further over the bar and then as you relax into stretched your hand will automatically relax into the most tightened position for your lats
@Mogsreturn
@Mogsreturn 23 күн бұрын
This channel and more specifically the RP hypertrophy app has changed my life. I worked out for 2 or 3 years just trying to get in shape and I never had much to show for the effort. I've been using the RP hypertrophy app inconsistently for about a year and I have noticeable muscle growth (still working on losing weight), to the point that family has asked what I'm doing different and people I work with have started commenting on my physical strength (they ask me to move the heavy stuff). I'm not where I want to be but I'm a lot closer thanks to RP.
@akiasura
@akiasura Ай бұрын
Been doing pull-ups for like 2 years now consistently. Can contest that they give the most pump on the back when done properly. A lot of people don’t go all the way down stretched and then they use their forearms to do most of the pulling and round their back at the top. Consider keeping elbows forward, back arched slightly, and squeeze the elbows to the lats when pulling up and then do as Dr. Mike says and engage your lats on the eccentric and go slow.
@matiyolo3630
@matiyolo3630 Ай бұрын
visit channel KBoges on youtube and you will see what you can do with just basic calisthenics. no bullshit no 40 min videos just straight facts
@scotchandsquats
@scotchandsquats Ай бұрын
Honestly, once I learned not to use my biceps/forearms even at full ROM was using my arms; and started to use lats, etc to pull myself up, I have a lot better mind muscle connection.
@Chibears1523
@Chibears1523 23 күн бұрын
Wtf is the eccentric? Lol
@scotchandsquats
@scotchandsquats 23 күн бұрын
@@Chibears1523 The eccentric portion of a strength training exercise is when the muscle group you're working out is being lengthened despite exerting force versus concentric where the working muscles are shortening
@avgytuser_
@avgytuser_ 28 күн бұрын
Dr. Mike! I'm doing my physics homework with you in the background and your whole thing about the frictional force of the machine absolutely blew my mind. I would love it if you made an introductory video about exercise biomechanics. I know most of your videos are about biomechanics in general but it would be awesome to have a more in depth lesson on it. You're the best and I love gooning to your voice!
@dethbefodisco3221
@dethbefodisco3221 Ай бұрын
I am 54 years old I have been working out since April. 2 years prior I lost over a hundred pounds I've never been able to do a pull-up I just started doing them I'm able to get three the first set 2 it's actually really awesome. I like being the old guy that can do pull-ups
@MenacedAssassin
@MenacedAssassin Ай бұрын
54 is not old.. 84 is old
@DaughterDater
@DaughterDater Ай бұрын
Hell yeah. In my opinion, the best muscle stretch is on my lats doing pull ups to failure
@rizmark5522
@rizmark5522 8 күн бұрын
58 and doing same
@prod.bygygahurts304
@prod.bygygahurts304 Ай бұрын
This comes at a good time, my pulldowns have been getting stale for a bit. Appreciate it mike 🫡
@moist603
@moist603 Ай бұрын
Same, my shoulders and biceps get cooked trying to control the negative. Been considering replacing them with prayers but I might give assisted pull ups a go.
@SnarfsBalls
@SnarfsBalls Ай бұрын
@@moist603I just got strong enough to do 5x3 unassisted pull ups. I’ve gotten visibly bigger in 3 weeks of switching out pull downs. You should definitely switch
@RonnieJamesOsbourne
@RonnieJamesOsbourne Ай бұрын
10:38 The; "Unless You Fuck The Bar On Its Way In" part had me rolling 💀
@mrsonicsound160
@mrsonicsound160 Ай бұрын
This video is so spot on. I wasted years doing pulldowns and wondering why my lats werent developed. If anyones curious, I started doing cat back dumbell d/l's a while back with really great results
@altname4742
@altname4742 Ай бұрын
This video came on the right time! Been wanting to switch my pulldowns for something more taxing on the lats and less on the biceps
@RevereShin
@RevereShin Ай бұрын
I came to a similar conclusion after about 2 years of alternating between assisted pullups and lat pulldowns for my primary lat exercise, but I could never put it into words. This helped tremendously. Thank you, Dr. Mike.
@malmonti
@malmonti Ай бұрын
Hype for this as my current meso is ending and excited to try something new hopefully.
@kramhy252
@kramhy252 Ай бұрын
Dr.mike explaining what i have been thinking for a year now, about the advantages of SA pulldowns over pulldowns. Thank you dr.mike for existing. RP nerds
@spoilerman8975
@spoilerman8975 Ай бұрын
This is excellent. And I know this to be true.With over forty years of experience I have learned the truth. Mike is absolutely correct on these.
@ricklathem4210
@ricklathem4210 Ай бұрын
I used assist pull ups to get to pull ups, and soon after stop doing the lat pull downs. Its been years now for both exersices. My pullups are very good. I will explore adding them both back into program. This was spot on timing. Thanks
@HerneyReyesGutierrez-oq8ef
@HerneyReyesGutierrez-oq8ef Ай бұрын
Literally i conclued this yesterday, if we stretch and flex very well the muscle with a very good rythm of movement our back will grow like a monster
@adityaverma9265
@adityaverma9265 Ай бұрын
The way you address lat pull down problem is very geniune, idk other youtuber try to emphasize to do full range of motion but they forget how light the weights are when you do full range of motion in that, I find pull ups more effective than that, as I light weight person and basic calisthenics skill that's much more better option for me. But Thanks to Mike for atleast being honest with the problem of Lat pulldown and addressing it to us
@nedrezap3379
@nedrezap3379 Ай бұрын
You mean “as a small person” pull-ups are better for me
@Solairethedarksoul
@Solairethedarksoul Ай бұрын
The hammer strength high row is amazing.
@RaijinSeme
@RaijinSeme Ай бұрын
I started working out a month ago and for some reason lat pulldowns don't feel right for me and this video just came out of nowhere! thank you dr mike
@Mr.GitOps
@Mr.GitOps Ай бұрын
What about single hand kneeling lat pulldowns. Where you cause a bigger stretch by leaning to the side as you go up and leaning in as you contract. I never see you mention it in any of your lat series. To me, it was the best lat exercise in my toolbelt that hits all the metrics you list of having a deep stretch & being harder at the stretch. The stretch was even deeper because of the oblique lean to the side than any two handed exercises for the lats. It gave me the best mind muscle connection which I lacked for so long with assisted pull ups, prayers and lat pulldowns. It helped pave my way to doing pull ups as my main. For this reason I still use it even with pull ups being my main as I cant get that same stretch on the lats with any other exercise.
@elie_d7334
@elie_d7334 Ай бұрын
i used to do wide and narrow grip pulldowns on back day. but ever since i started to do pullups instead of wide grip pulldowns with noarrow grip pulldowns i've been noticing impressive gains in my back. very happy. been only 2 months on this program.
@cjlewis5455
@cjlewis5455 Ай бұрын
Solid straightforward advice 💯💪🦸‍♂️
@TheMamed
@TheMamed Ай бұрын
Like a good father, Mike always support's his son❤❤❤
@sandwichdispenser6778
@sandwichdispenser6778 Ай бұрын
I've started doing stretch emphasis single arm pulldowns recently and it's absolutely amazing
@benjscar1540
@benjscar1540 5 күн бұрын
I've been trying to quantify cable Friction my entire life: thank you for finally contextualizing this 🙌
@kharma6310
@kharma6310 Ай бұрын
Please please please Dr.Mike, I speak for everyone when I ask please next time you do lat prayers put the camera behind you (oil up (optional))
@kartikayrai5774
@kartikayrai5774 Ай бұрын
Oil up is necessary
@acc2mdk1
@acc2mdk1 Ай бұрын
Ignorant question... What is this oil up quote about ? (What does it mean)
@kharma6310
@kharma6310 Ай бұрын
@@acc2mdk1 It's a kink that us, full ROM, slow eccentric, lengthened partial chads have. Wanting to see Dr.Mike shirtless covered in oil. Doesn't get more manly than that.
@alaaentabi7879
@alaaentabi7879 Ай бұрын
@@acc2mdk1 social nmedia trend where fans asked jacked ppl to oil up and do some moves
@leobaron9417
@leobaron9417 Ай бұрын
​@@acc2mdk1 there's an old video explaining it, check "darude sandstorm"
@G3ML1NGZ
@G3ML1NGZ Ай бұрын
No idea of this reaches you but THANK YOU. I've been seeing improvements in both comfort while training and seeing new pr's after being pretty much plateau'd for years. Going back to slowly loading hams to eliminate suboptimal loading of hams during larger exercises (deads/squats.) Lat activation by doing partial scapula tensions reps before pulls has done a lot to help my uneven tension during pull exercises and emphasis on slowly unloading every rep and feeling the stretch is helping me grow more and feel the muscle better. Watching your vids revitalised my gym progress
@iamraymondyip
@iamraymondyip Ай бұрын
“I love you but I’m not ‘in love’ with you if you know what I mean..?” That’s it, video of the year. 😂 20:57
@AKarcticmallard
@AKarcticmallard Ай бұрын
That feeling when you're already doing everything Dr. Mike is saying AND today was back day. 💪
@irfuel
@irfuel 28 күн бұрын
There is always one under every video, LOOL
@jrussino
@jrussino Ай бұрын
9:15 I was worried this was going to be the recommendation. For whatever reason I find I don't get a great stimulus on the target muscle with bent-over exercises like this. My back/hips/core/whatever is doing too much work trying to keep me stable in that position, and so those stabilizing muscles end up being the limiting factor. I have the same issue with bent-over rows.
@andytheguitarist472
@andytheguitarist472 Ай бұрын
Just came back from the gym with this frustrating feeling that im not doing my lat pulldowns correct and im not getting any real progress from this exercise, so this is just pefect!
@johnstevens5722
@johnstevens5722 Ай бұрын
I do my DB pullovers perpendicular on the bench in a slight decline. Using this variation gives me not only an insane pump on the lats, but also my inner pecs It is my absolute #1 exercise. If I stopped doing ever other movement, I would do these
@sancamilobad
@sancamilobad Ай бұрын
The stretch with the decline is unmatched
@blackrhino44
@blackrhino44 Ай бұрын
How do you get this into a decline?
@Aili-kx3kj
@Aili-kx3kj Ай бұрын
​@@blackrhino44 plate under bench
@jjtt2760
@jjtt2760 25 күн бұрын
Thanks Dr. Mike. Your videos have really been helping me the past year.
@andrewramirez3332
@andrewramirez3332 Ай бұрын
that’s an amazing shirt
@Indriyal
@Indriyal Ай бұрын
It’s so nice to see a father that is so proud of his son that he’s wearing a T-shirt with his name and picture on it !
@normd81
@normd81 Ай бұрын
Dumbbell pullovers are the single most underrated exercise in existence. John Meadows got me into a few years ago, absolutely destroy my lats.
@lovelybtches
@lovelybtches Ай бұрын
decent lengthened stretch horrible contraction. i prefer doing laying pullovers on cable
@Johnpdf
@Johnpdf Ай бұрын
They arent a lat exercise they are a chest exercise, chest has far more leverage to produce force also gets stretched etc its a chest exercise with lat assistance
@normd81
@normd81 Ай бұрын
​@@Johnpdfkeep arms straight and don't squeeze the dumbell. There are multiple variables include body shape. I'm not interested in arguing, I've growth my lats exclusively from this movement. I don't do seated pulldowns. I know it works.
@albertgao7256
@albertgao7256 Ай бұрын
5min in, not even finish watching, I can feel DOMS on my back already!!! Wonderful! Really great recommendation! Thanks Dr.Mike!
@PrincessDogeBRUH
@PrincessDogeBRUH Ай бұрын
I’ve been working on controlling my shoulder blades a lot more and it has made all the difference in my back training. I didn’t even realize my shoulder blades were barely moving at all. Hopefully this helps someone like me
@Blaisem
@Blaisem Ай бұрын
What are you doing with the shoulder blades?
@PrincessDogeBRUH
@PrincessDogeBRUH Ай бұрын
@@Blaisem just actually moving them, may seem common sense (it is) but my shoulders tend to stay totally stiff unless I consciously warm them up and rotate them.
@Owensontchi17
@Owensontchi17 Ай бұрын
@@Blaisempretty sure he means at the stretch roll shoulders forward and when pulling move shoulders back by retracting scapula.
@SWISS-1337
@SWISS-1337 Ай бұрын
Love this advice, I recently got rid of lat pull downs in favour of laying down banded pull overs, pull ups and assisted pull ups. I'd purchase the RP monthly membership, but I am paying a lot of debt off from medical related expenses, so maybe in 1 year when I finally should have paid it back lol
@DeBedschbacher
@DeBedschbacher Ай бұрын
Thanks Doc!
@matthewlock888
@matthewlock888 Ай бұрын
Glad you’ve expanded on this because you mentioned them on your exercise choice video the other day
@MariaTyler-gj1ll
@MariaTyler-gj1ll Ай бұрын
You always know how to make good content!
@Li0nHearted
@Li0nHearted Ай бұрын
I just added lat prayers to my program because I got tired of pull downs!! So happy to see this in a video confirming what I’m doing is right
@shattered2137
@shattered2137 Ай бұрын
Pullovers are fking amazing, they are as good tricpes exercise as lats exercise for me' depending on how I perform them. Great stimulus fatigue ratio, always get my muscles sore after. Nothing but good stuff I can say about this exercise.
@newyorknole2225
@newyorknole2225 Ай бұрын
This video made me feel really good about my back workout. I do all those lifts during my back day and I'll sometime cut out Lat pull downs entirely. Thank Mike!
@alpenjodel24
@alpenjodel24 Ай бұрын
Lat Prayers and Pullovers are always limited by my Triceps tho.
@Randomunsername
@Randomunsername Ай бұрын
Try going for a pronated grip on the prayers. Using a straight bar, for example. It won't be no Triceps. I don't think you can exclude the long head entirely. It should get those other two heads out of the picture though, so long as you avoid any elbow flexion throughout.
@claybowman1242
@claybowman1242 Ай бұрын
Consider using bent arms and just keeping them bent the whole time, you'll need a little more weight but your triceps probably won't be what gives out
@SickplayaM
@SickplayaM Ай бұрын
Try to bend your arm a bit more.
@omgvulpix
@omgvulpix 14 күн бұрын
muscle growth for the form for pullups was so helpful. thank you Dr. Mike!!
@Annamihajlova551ko-nt2bd
@Annamihajlova551ko-nt2bd Ай бұрын
You're so talented, don't stop creating videos!
@BaronLaneKing
@BaronLaneKing Ай бұрын
😂
@BaronLaneKing
@BaronLaneKing Ай бұрын
hypertrophy bots
@harrydennis6854
@harrydennis6854 Ай бұрын
This is next level for getting high tension at long muscle lengths. You should do more of these for other muscles!
@dabj9546
@dabj9546 Ай бұрын
Why is nobody doing pullovers with a cable and an incline bench facing away from the cable? Seems like the kinda perfect exercise Eric Janecki would do.
@silverjackaI
@silverjackaI Ай бұрын
I actually have a ez curl bar with my functional trainer. Definitely gonna give it a try today.
@dabj9546
@dabj9546 Ай бұрын
@@silverjackaI Awesome! Please let me know if you like it, I totally made this up so I have no idea about actual use.
@silverjackaI
@silverjackaI Ай бұрын
@@dabj9546 i hated it lol I stuck with pull ups and lat prayers instead. Let me know what you think when you try it
@dabj9546
@dabj9546 Ай бұрын
@@silverjackaI alright sometimes that's how it goes...
@todd7696
@todd7696 Ай бұрын
I think your head/bench would get in the way at the top of the lift no matter the position. Maybe could work.
@comingverysoon
@comingverysoon Ай бұрын
Pullups and straight-arm pulldowns are a dynamic duo for my lats. I might give pullovers a try after watching this. I've never seen the movement broken down and explained so thoroughly.
@dafundz4108
@dafundz4108 Ай бұрын
Going to gym in 40mins, planned some lat pulldowns for wider back, then this shows up in my notifications. The universe is speaking to me 😂
@esembee7717
@esembee7717 Ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of lat prayers. It took a bit of playing around with form, attachments and grip to stop the triceps being the limiting factor, but now they are a staple lat exercise for me.
@wellscraft
@wellscraft Ай бұрын
Lat prayers hit my triceps long head as much if not more than my lats. I've tried various grips. It never changes.
@chrisoman87
@chrisoman87 Ай бұрын
The primary function of the long head is to pull the elbow "down" to your side so this makes sense, it is probably weaker than your lats due to the size imbalance, I would be surprised this would not be the case for a pulldown as well, as the mechanism is the same. I would say the difference would be your grip-width and amount of pronation/supination compared to the pulldowns. Try varying the grip to find a way that the leverage of your lats is worse so it becomes the primary driver.
@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495
@soots-stayingoutofthespotl5495 Ай бұрын
Are you keeping your arms absolutely straight on the swimmer rows/ straight-arm pulldowns? Even a slight bend starts to turn it into a Tricep pushdown. Perhaps you'll find it easier to emphasise your back by using a bar instead of a rope (either a short one or the Lat pulldown bar, the latter making the exercise easier), and/or leaning over more and pulling down so that your arms stop when they're vertical, and not pulling all the way to your thighs. It might be worth experimenting a bit more?
@sarahkramer8954
@sarahkramer8954 Ай бұрын
Very helpful. My personal trainer prescribes pull-ups and pull-downs in the same workout, which didn't make sense to me. You've helped me understand why it's important to do both. (For context, this is a woman being trained by a woman, so the emphasis is more on toning and endurance rather than bulking).
@ephraim1995
@ephraim1995 Ай бұрын
I love doing dumbell pullovers on a very slight incline for even more stretch!
@kamranhussain3159
@kamranhussain3159 Ай бұрын
Have you tried laying your shoulders across the bench and lowering your hips when at the bottom? Insane stretch.
@crostermiller
@crostermiller Ай бұрын
Would a slight decline give the back a better stimulus? Doesn't the higher the incline target the back less?
@ephraim1995
@ephraim1995 Ай бұрын
@kamranhussain3159 yes I love doing that
@epsilon2fye
@epsilon2fye Ай бұрын
I’m so grateful this video came out today on my back and bis day. Last week doing pull downs I felt stale just as explained and it didn’t feel good. The SFR on that was probably the worst I’ve felt before. I’ve been doing prayers with single arm and both arms for a while, but im going to make this my more used exercise
@maximolopardo
@maximolopardo Ай бұрын
I used to do lat prayers but idk why always my triceps get engaged a lot and that does not help me to really focus on my back
@JakeLetson
@JakeLetson Ай бұрын
I recently added lat prayers to my routine... I get more stimulus from an 80 pound prayer than I do full stacking the pulldowns. So glad to see my choice to add them justified by Dr. Mike!
@isak737
@isak737 Ай бұрын
00:32 liam payne was there
@SoySolSolecito
@SoySolSolecito Ай бұрын
Crazyyy comment 💀
@isak737
@isak737 Ай бұрын
@@SoySolSolecitohow
@lesliedsouza929
@lesliedsouza929 Ай бұрын
Your timing is impeccable Dr. Mike. I was just wondering whether I should really do Pulldowns instead of other variations. I’ve never really been a fan of the exercise if I’m honest! 😊
@JimBagrowski
@JimBagrowski Ай бұрын
Thank you for explaining the physics correctly.
@ZinoAmare
@ZinoAmare Ай бұрын
I did the pullovers yesterday and yeah I am feeling my back real good, thank you :D
@chonkbadonk
@chonkbadonk Ай бұрын
I'm a swimmer and I do like a single arm lat prayer with a little bit of upper body rotation through the movement, feels like it's good for building power on freestyle.
@SeuOu
@SeuOu Ай бұрын
Just as I was looking for a pulldown alternative...amazing timing.
@GOAT-rl2uq
@GOAT-rl2uq Ай бұрын
See this gels with my personal experience. No matter what I do, I can't seem to get much of a pump or really even sore from rows or pulldowns, but pullovers and lat prayers just absolutely slaughter my lats.
@kendaddy316
@kendaddy316 Ай бұрын
Dr Mike is who Michael Chiklis prays to be one day. Thanks for the great suggestions!
@JohnDoe-ig6pc
@JohnDoe-ig6pc Ай бұрын
This info for free is a true blessing
@sebastianstammer9265
@sebastianstammer9265 Ай бұрын
Im weak ASF and assisted pullups have helped me engage my lats in a considerable way, best back exercise by a mile.
@spiritusanto9688
@spiritusanto9688 Ай бұрын
Always a learning and informative experience as well entertaining. Thank you for all that you do especially the amount research that has to be done it's greatly appreciated and has helped me a lot with my progress.
@mikameininki8465
@mikameininki8465 Ай бұрын
My man (and everyone involved), thanks for all the motivation and the push to grind. Add little teasers to the parts where you show a movement as (as seen in App) ;) All the best, hope to meet you in person one day
@mikameininki8465
@mikameininki8465 Ай бұрын
All the best for Jared in the grind as well. This sport needs a lot of motivation to keep in track. Best wishes from Finland
@oscar0346
@oscar0346 Ай бұрын
This is the information I needed to start lat prayers, thanks Dr.
@itscoolthough419
@itscoolthough419 Ай бұрын
Today is pull day, great timing Dr. Mike.
@jellistorfs6525
@jellistorfs6525 Ай бұрын
Phenomenal head shape as usual. Also great video :)
@Zachafinackus
@Zachafinackus Ай бұрын
I hope that the lat prayer can be added to the RP down the line! I went to replace one of my pulldown sets and saw it wasn't there, so I had to make it a custom exercise. Thanks for all the work you do!
@senpapi6062
@senpapi6062 Ай бұрын
Ngl I did this switch a few weeks ago and I’ve been doing regular pull downs for 3 months. I started implementing pull ups to my workouts and it was a game changer. Way better results than pull down
@erickestrada1212
@erickestrada1212 Ай бұрын
Ive learned alot on this channel. Do these lat prayers on a incline bench on cables and its amazing. Gets a better stretch amd better mind to muscle connection. 100 percent recommend these instead of the pullovers and lat prayers
@fatman9644
@fatman9644 Ай бұрын
A friend showed me Lat Prayers a few days ago and it instantly felt better in my lats, I was really surprised and now that I now more advantages of those I will start doing them more often and with more sets than usual lat pulldowns
@jameskelly6479
@jameskelly6479 25 күн бұрын
I have to admit that is really insightful.
@nerdexproject
@nerdexproject Ай бұрын
Perfect video! Really needed this bc lat pulldowns are really doing nothing for my lats for some reason
@ntglass3976
@ntglass3976 Ай бұрын
I've been struggling to find new back exercises at my gym. So this is perfect timing 😂
@yunwiyawaya8593
@yunwiyawaya8593 Ай бұрын
Perfect timing.... It's back and biceps day . I've just been swinging in the dark and looking for good back workouts. I start with pulldowns. Thanks Doc
@MrSakoolig
@MrSakoolig Ай бұрын
Thank you, Doc for another awesome and entertaining video.
@Hashama
@Hashama Ай бұрын
Scott the video guy is a LEGEND!
@ChrisPBacon9
@ChrisPBacon9 Ай бұрын
Glad you made this, for a long time ive felt like lat pulldowns were one of the most overrated exercises. Theyve been a staple for so long but my lats didnt start getting noticeably bigger until i ditched them for other exercises
@Rms-18
@Rms-18 21 күн бұрын
This video hit home. Great timing. I can't do another wide grip lat pull down. My shoulders are just not having it. Haven't moved weight on this exercise in 3 months. Narrow grip gets me an awesome pump. But I'm going to replace the wide grip with the prayers.
@Quuuelgh
@Quuuelgh Ай бұрын
Absolute new fan of lat prayers. Dont ask me why but from lat pulldowns, doesnt matter what grip i always got pain on my lateral long biceps head and tendon insertion. Unpleasant feeling. Did my first set of lat prayers kneeling down on a mat at the cabel tower and holy sht the stretch is insane. First time my lat got really sore in years. Thx Doc.
@dan85bullseye72
@dan85bullseye72 Ай бұрын
The video on this topic I did not know I needed! Thanks Mike!
@allenallen4810
@allenallen4810 Ай бұрын
Damn Dr. Mike…this was OUTSTANDING!!!! Please do one for DB Rows.
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