Latin Mass vs Divine Liturgy | Side by Side

[@holdmycola]

now compare that to a non-denominational smoke machine concert

[@Altare_Dei]

real

[@JWM5791]

I hope you realize there are quite a large number of Protestants that hate the skinny jeans and smoke machine mockery. I have no idea how they feel connected to God in any way.

[@AbrahamLincoln-p16]

Incense will always beat a smoke machine

[@Altare_Dei]

@@AbrahamLincoln-p16 Agreed

[@NH-zi4jr]

Be more charitable to those outside the physical church but who still believe in Jesus Christ.

[@Ecce_Agnus_Dei]

Wonderful video! But I think it would have been better to compare a pontifical solemn high mass, or at least a normal solemn high mass with the Byzantine liturgy, considering the divine liturgy here has lots of assisting ministers and a bishop. I think a TLM with more elaborate music may make for a better comparison as well, since the Byzantine liturgy has lots of polyphonic singing.

[@Altare_Dei]

Good point! To tell you the truth, it was a little difficult downloading the Masses at all because for some reason the KZbin to mp4 website I was using only downloads video and audio separately, so I was just trying to use anything I could find at that point. St. John Cantius generally does have pretty elaborate polyphony at their Masses, though!

[@didoburns]

First observation I made too

[@marokel8476]

Same thought

[@tradcathp.r.4342]

And a Byzantine DL in greek or Church Slavonic

[@sivad1025]

​@Altare_Dei Their mother's day Solemn TLM had Mozart's Coronation mass as the setting. It was very beautiful. That would be a good example

[@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian]

Very beautiful! From a former Latin Mass Catholic, now Orthodox. Thanks for uploading!

[@Altare_Dei]

Thank you! I pray for the reunion of our Churches one day 🙏

[@Bryan-vm4fg]

Why did you convert?

[@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian]

@@Bryan-vm4fg Mostly from looking into Church history and seeing how much the West has changed since 1054.

[@Marcissus]

Deposit of faith has never been changed, Catholic Church is infallible return home to Rome

[@nekhlioudovbolkonsky2901]

"You are Peter and on this rock, i'll build my church".

[@david-al-sayyid]

Finally a fair comparison. Too many videos unfairly comparing clown masses with patriarchal divine liturgies as if either were even remotely the standard in both churches (and I say this as an Orthodox Christian myself!)

[@Altare_Dei]

Thank you! I agree.

[@SteffenBagger]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!

[@kristahikes125]

Thank you! I’ve been looking into this lately. I’ve started going to Byzantine Divine Liturgy after coming from NO and occasionally TLM. I’m in love with the DL and have received many spiritual fruits since attending consistently

[@marokel8476]

Thank you so much for your effort, God Bless you my friend brothers in Christ

[@Altare_Dei]

Thank you!

[@TraditionalCatholic2633]

I am so grateful to God that I am Roman Catholic. Love my Orthodox brethren though ❤

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen

[@gaviriak]

I'm a new Orthodox ☦️ i really feel in home. ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ

[@Altare_Dei]

@@gaviriak pray for the reunion of our Churches 🙏

[@jacksoncastelino04]

Pray for The Catholics And Orthodox to Reunite

[@jeannebouwman1970]

He is risen indeed!

[@IvoryMaestro]

Thank you!

[@BlazedLizard36-a36]

God Bless the catholic and orthodox we are Both Brothers ☦️x✝️❤️

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen, pray for reunion 🙏

[@BlazedLizard36-a36]

@@pavelbortes4867 no But we are Eastern Catholic. and we must always Pray for our Roman Catholic Brothers.

[@LavaDrink]

I would like this, but a solem pontifical Mass would be a better example for us latins for those who have a great connection to looks and sounds

[@Altare_Dei]

True

[@ej885-yh1yd]

From a Roman Catholic, May God bless the people who believe in Orthodox, and although we have different views of Christ, we still believe and we commend the Orthodox for that. 🙏

[@Altare_Dei]

@@ej885-yh1yd and pray for reunion 🙏

[@Dimitria_D]

Axios!☦️🙏🏻@@KarenSarkissian

[@ej885-yh1yd]

@@KarenSarkissian 1. We Catholics are not vegan for extensive periods of time (unlike the Lenten celebrations where Catholics abstain from meat every Friday during that time frame). 2. Catholics believe that the unleavened bread and wine become the body and blood of Jesus Christ through transubstantiation, but the consecration itself in Orthodox is not pinpointed and the moment where the body and blood of Christ is vague. 3. We use different forms of the Lamb of God, we Catholics use unleavened bread given the time of the Last Supper being the Passover celebration. 4. Papal infallibility is not usually common as well as the hierarchy on where the power of the Church sits. 5. The dogma of the Assumption of Mary introduced by Pope Pius in mid-1950s. As you explained before the sole difference that distinct the Catholics from the sect of Orthodox is because of the Filioque and other papal claims.

[@Makiela96]

May God help them return to one true Church. Council of Florence teaches infallibly that schismatics go to hell

[@C.S.S.M.L..]

​@@KarenSarkissianWhy don't you accept the teaching of the Western Fathers, who teach the Filioque, such as Augustine and Ambrose? What do you think of this canon from the Council of Constantinople III: If anyone would use such temerity as to raise according to (the manner of) Photius and Dioscorus in writing or verbally excessive reactions against the chair of Peter, the prince of the apostles, let him receive the same condemnation (expressed) as those; if then, having convened an ecumenical council, some doubt has arisen regarding the Roman church, one can with prudence and due modesty ask questions about the issue at stake and accept the solution and either be helped or help, but not raise boldly accusations against the high priests of the most ancient Rome?

[@colekken]

Loved the video.

[@Altare_Dei]

Thanks!

[@diegoalexisalonzo]

St. John Cantius Catholic Church in Chicago is the name of the church that is celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass in this video. One of the most beautiful churches I’ve ever been to.

[@randomjake1488]

I attended St John Cantius in Chicago (the Latin church in the video), and am now happily Orthodox now ☦️! I loved the TLM, but driving past hundreds of Catholic Churches to go to the one TLM parish in the city always felt wrong. Thanks be to God for Holy Orthodoxy having the same reverent ancient Liturgy in all churches.

[@Altare_Dei]

So you would rather commit schism than attend the Novus Ordo? Why not just go to an Eastern Catholic Church? Plenty of those in Chicago.

[@randomjake1488]

@@Altare_Dei Because I was intellectually convinced that the 1st Millennium church was more Orthodox than Roman Catholic, the Roman church has acknowledged it has innovated, changing the Liturgy and catechism in Vatican 2 to be more modern and protestant, adding to the Creed, "advancing" the understanding of the trinity, and expanded the powers of the Patriarch of Rome to Supremacy and then Infallibility. Most importantly, I was spiritually convinced by the Liturgy, the clergy, and the monasteries I visited that gave me a closeness with Christ I never had in my 27 years of being Catholic, despite even working for the church. I say this with all love and respect as I still respect Catholicism, but I know the fullness of the faith is in Orthodoxy.

[@ikemouser2580]

​@@Altare_Dei The Orthodox church is the original churh.

[@John-sh1hq]

byzanitne catholic here! we celebrate divine liturgy!

[@kristahikes125]

Me too!

[@EngolpionOfficial]

I love both. While I attend the Latin Mass, I admire the beauty of the Eastern rite (both in the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic contexts). God bless and watch over you.

[@Altare_Dei]

Agreed, and thank you

[@enrico_semeraroalberobello1522]

"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam"!

[@Hookly]

Very interesting video. Something to note,m is that both liturgies begin very differently. For example, the Gloria is part of the western liturgy but is the at the end of Byzantine Matins (liturgy of the hours morning prayer) and is said just before liturgy starts. The anaphoras are more comparable though with common elements like the Sanctus (Holy, holy, holy), words of institution, epiclesis, commemoration of patriarchs and bishops, etc.

[@Altare_Dei]

Good point!

[@MilesDei95]

And i Love them all, coz they have 1 nature. Praising Our Beloved Lord and God. That is all i need.

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen

[@jasmineandrose123]

Several Byzantine priests I have spoken to have encouraged me to check out a Traditional Latin Mass and see the similarities, even though they are very different. Before the liturgy starts usually the church and the people are censed, I think that parallels the Asperges pretty well.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@jasmineandrose123 good point

[@kuafer3687]

Thsnk you so much! I deeply love both traditions ❤

[@Altare_Dei]

Me too!

[@nathanvangoor4979]

It should be noted that the TLM here is a minimal form of a sung Sunday High Mass. Normally you would also see incense, torchbearers, acolytes carrying candles, and perhaps a processional cross. Most importantly the stances of a solemn Mass are normally used during a sung Mass. (which is not traditional: a High Mass should be as close to solemn as the resources allow)

[@Altare_Dei]

This TLM contained all those things, I just cut them out to highlight the structure, but St. John Cantius does all those things at every Mass

[@nathanvangoor4979]

@@Altare_Dei No, that's simply not true. For example, 10:35 should show the incense and acolyte candles; they're not there.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@nathanvangoor4979 Actually you're right now that I think about it, this was the rare occasion where they didn't have that. But if you watch any other stream of theirs they have it.

[@marokel8476]

You can still make another video, more great videos pls. Thank you so much

[@grumpycrumbles7360]

I love both traditions ❤❤❤

[@Altare_Dei]

Me too!

[@MetroMania-go6gy]

The Divine Liturgy we are comparing the Latin Mass with is the Divine Liturgy of St.John Chrysotom, it is also used in the fourteen Eastern Catholic Churches of the Byzantine Liturgical Rite.

[@anonymouscrank]

The starkness of the Roman Rite is striking. Noble Simplicity indeed.

[@PeodoMaritimo]

Both are vey beautiful 🤩 ✝️☦️🥰

[@Altare_Dei]

I agree!

[@smittywerbenjaegermanjense2350]

Brothers in Christ in the end🙏✝️ ☦️

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen, pray for reunion

[@TheVietnameseCatholic]

Two liturgical rites that cannot be compared because of the stark differences in everything, but it shows the bones of every liturgical rite, so usefel video. My suggestion is to do the Western Rite "Orthodox" and the Tridentine Mass. God bless!

[@Altare_Dei]

Isn't the Western Orthodox Mass just the Sarum Use? Or am I wrong

[@TheVietnameseCatholic]

@Altare_Dei Their are 3 common forms: Sarum, Roman, and English. The Sarum and Roman forms are all bastardized and are insults to the Liturgical Fathers. Sarum Use isn't even canonical. The Liturgy of Saint Osmund was formalized and officially promulgated after the Battle of Hastings, long after the Great Schism.

[@TheVietnameseCatholic]

@Altare_Dei They use 3 forms: Sarum, Roman, and English. The Roman and Sarum forms are both bastardized and done incorrectly in essence and aesthetics. The Sarum Use done in Orthodoxy is not even canonical as it was formalized post-schism.

[@justiniand6a788]

​@@TheVietnameseCatholic, I've never really understood why they insert the Byzantine Epiclesis in the Roman Canon like they're implicitly denying the validity of the Mass as celebrated in the West for centuries before the schism considering the Canon goes back to before St. Gregory the Great, with traces as early as the 4th century. It's quite weird to see them elevate the host and the chalice then say the Epiclesis afterwards as though the elevations never happened or meant nothing.

[@justiniand6a788]

​@@TheVietnameseCatholic, St. Patrick's Orthodox Parish does the Roman Rite with barely any bastardizations and don't larp Byzantine aesthetics. They even do the Pre-1955 Holy Week and flatten their leavened Eucharist to look like Hosts. Though then again, there's the insertion of the Byzantine Epiclesis.

[@sylviaponce1864]

LATIN MASS OF COURSE!!!❤❤❤❤

[@Ezrasghost]

Glory be to Christ!☦️☦️☦️

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen!

[@newrealm9187]

As an orthodox I love both of them. But I’m biased on the latter

[@MetroMania-go6gy]

The Orthodox liturgy seen here is the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and it is also used by the fourteen Byzantine Rite Catholic Churches that are in full communion with Rome.

[@Altare_Dei]

Correct!

[@YosephhailuKebede]

both worshipping jesus as God,like heavenly way,amen

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen

[@D.Warjri87]

Please do the Roman rite and the Armenian rite, they look so similar

[@Altare_Dei]

I'll look into it!

[@Угра-б2щ]

Thanks Lord, I've been born in Orthodox country!

[@Altare_Dei]

@@Угра-б2щ pray for reunion of our Churches 🙏

[@Угра-б2щ]

@@Altare_Dei Our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ haven't founded many churches!

[@silvio1894]

I love both Traditional Roman Catholic rite and Eastern Byzantine Orthodox rite. You will not make a mistake whichever you attend. Both of them are gonna heal your soul.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@silvio1894 amen

[@deedee9495]

I love the Latin mass

[@Altare_Dei]

Me too!

[@donaldkeith139]

Both are beautiful ♥ ♥ ♥

[@Altare_Dei]

Agreed!

[@katydidd6321]

This is cool. I kind of wish I'd seen something like this back when I was trying to decide whether to be baptized in the traditional Catholic Church, or the Eastern Orthodox Church, But its okay, I think I made the right choice - actually, it would still have been a hard choice, as both look to be very beautiful and reverent.

[@BKT_04]

You shouldn’t convert because of the beauty of the liturgical rite. You should convert because one is true and the other isn’t

[@katydidd6321]

@@BKT_04 Well that was something I was a little hung up on. I talked to a priest from each church, and each said their faith was the true Faith and laid out their reasons. Coming from a completely secular background, it ended up confusing me more than helping me make a decision. At the end of the day, it was God himself who gave me about as clear a sign as possible that I went to the right place when I walked into the Church I'm at now. So I went with that.

[@BKT_04]

@@katydidd6321 I would encourage you to do some research on church history. God bless.

[@katydidd6321]

@@BKT_04 Well I am currently reading Eusebius.

[@Crusader-George]

​@@katydidd6321check dwong on orthodoxy

[@RedBoulides]

How many of you have actually experienced both and have an opinion? Vs is a strong dividing word. God bless us all Christians Muslims Pagans etc. we must stay united against the evil forces of division.

[@Altare_Dei]

As a Christian, I don't understand how I could possibly unite with Muslims and *Pagans* "against evil". Their ideas are inherently evil according to the tenets of my religion. They are contributing to the evil. What external evil could possibly exist besides heresy and false gods for all three of those groups to fight against?

[@ShawnComposer]

As a western-rite orthodox, I get best of both.

[@Altare_Dei]

Pray for reunion 🙏

[@Helios824]

Good video 👍👍👍

[@Altare_Dei]

Thank you!

[@EmebetYirgalem]

My orthodox ❤

[@The_2_Witnesses]

Thanks for the comparison. We are all brothers of the Holy Apostolic Church. Check out Christ The Good Shepherd Church, which is an Orthodox Assyrian Church in Australia-my personal favorite Bishop is there.

[@D.Warjri87]

Please do the Alexandria rite, East syriac and west syriac rite

[@XxRCMJxX]

If you want a combination of the 2, attend a Maronite Mass. It really is such a beautiful combination of the easts focus on Christ’s descent into Hell and the wests focus on the Crucifixion. Added bonus: our mass is derived from the language of Christ Himself.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@XxRCMJxX Maronite Mass is beautiful! St John Cantius (the Catholic Church in this video) even had a Pontifical Maronite Mass once

[@myway2869]

Como foi possível perder esta beleza mística da missa latina 😢 para esta nova missa ! 😢

[@andlll_Ihsk]

You can still go to latin mass

[@Ideo-statuit]

I think it’s more fair to compare that to a pontifical solemn high mass since an Orthodox bishop in the video is celebrating the divine liturgy

[@Altare_Dei]

@@Ideo-statuit yeah that's true

[@nathanvangoor4979]

Thank you for this comparison The English polyphony is quite weird; the liturgy of St. Chrysostom is ancient, but the music isn't ancient in the slightest. The eastern liturgies are already strange to us, but adapting it in English only highlights the difference even more!

[@Altare_Dei]

Yeah I had to do English because I don't know Eastern Liturgy very well and I don't speak Russian or Greek lol

[@nathanvangoor4979]

@@nathankirwan2565 It's more compelling to learn about the mysterious than about the seemingly obvious. Because of that people who attend Mass in the vernacular are less likely to understand the actual meaning of what is being said.

[@nathanvangoor4979]

@@nathankirwan2565 it's just one explanation for why the TLM makes people understand the Mass and the NOM does not. If you have a better theory, I'm interested.

[@seraphimwieber2696]

​@@nathanvangoor4979 The TLM people are actually serious, and the Nom are not.

[@esoterico7750]

Byzantine chant is ancient… the Russian polyphony in this liturgy is not… as for the run on sound it kinda sounds like that in all languages although there are certain things that English can make harder

[@johnchurch160]

Would have liked to hear the Trisagion. But great!!!!!

[@Altare_Dei]

I apologize if I didn't display the structure properly, I'm a Roman Catholic who's never actually been to Divine Liturgy and doesn't know much about it😅

[@johnchurch160]

@@Altare_Dei No you got it right, you just had the audio muted for that bit haha. Again, wonderful video

[@Altare_Dei]

@@johnchurch160 Thank you haha

[@DolGuldur_010]

☦️✝️❤️📿🌍

[@hanmirz4803]

One family, separated brethren.

[@jessamynreforsado6172]

Latin mass is beautiful❤🙏

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen

[@worldpoetry3161]

AMEM

[@christopherpavesi7245]

I regularly assist at the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass and the Divine Liturgy. Blessed be God forever and ever and from ages unto ages. Amen.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@christopherpavesi7245 Amen

[@enrico_semeraroalberobello1522]

Per quanto riguarda la Liturgia Cristiana Cattolica, è la Liturgia precedente al Concilio Ecumenico Vaticano secondo.

[@BKT_04]

No this church is st John Cantius and they are doing the novus ordo here.

[@Altare_Dei]

​@@BKT_04they're doing Tridentine Mass here. I have another video that compares their Novus Ordo to their Tridentine Mass

[@Noe-jw7up]

​@@BKT_04 No they're doing the extraordinary form here

[@NiklasKontio-bs5zd]

Christus Vincit!✝️🥰

[@Altare_Dei]

Christus Regnat!

[@janveturilo]

There is lack of procession with Gospel Book in Divine Liturgy. Greek catholics also use Divine Liturgy. Thank you for comparison

[@Altare_Dei]

They do have a gospel book procession, but it's closer to the start of the liturgy

[@alabamamotionpictureproduc6626]

@@Altare_Dei yep, that's when we do our Gospel readings. They process the Gospel from the iconostasis, and my deacon reads the Gospel from it near the Bishop's throne.

[@viktorsofia4124]

orthodox ❤❤❤❤❤

[@rezsonemeth1542]

I am Lutheran. We have an altar we use, but it is not holy in itself, but an object set aside only for God. Where Christ's sacrifice, his real body and blood are displayed. Not symbolically like other Protestants, but really. The altar is surrounded by a latticework with a kneeler. There we take the sacrament of the altar to ourselves. The liturgy is also according to the Catholic order, but still according to Mass with the back, II. Similar to the Church before the Vatican Council. The difference is that we do not respect objects, only the action is sacred. For example, the Lord's Supper.

[@Altare_Dei]

It's interesting how much Lutheran liturgy was influenced by Catholicism!

[@rmerick6908]

@@Altare_Dei Not surprising, seeing that Lutheranism began as a reform movement of Roman Catholicism.

[@rmerick6908]

Holy actually means set apart for God alone. Utensils used in the Jewish Temple were inscribed, "Holy to the Lord" to indicate they could not be used for any other purpose. So, your altar is "holy!"

[@rezsonemeth1542]

There are several denominations of non-Roman culture recognized by the Catholic Church as its own. The Lutheran churches also recognize many different churches as their own, from the Scandinavian royal state churches to the Puritan pietists to the LGBT churches. I, who received the royal prophetic priestly rank in my baptism, and my soul was breathed into me by the Almighty God, therefore I am not in vain praying for the Catholic and Lutheran churches to have an officially declared common set. We believe in the "invisible Church", so this is already a reality for us. For me, my wife's Roman Mass is truly an evangelical service, maybe two sentences that I don't agree with. Rather, only the practice of weekdays and the attitude to life make a difference, not the sanctification of Sunday .

[@Altare_Dei]

@@rezsonemeth1542 Catholicism has multiple rites outside of the Latin Rite. They're not "denominations", they're just different traditions.

[@auto7judoka]

I like the Orthodox Church because it's a better faith i feel chruch should be about better are relationship with Jesus and not following profits i don't listen to the Pope.thats my one of 2 things about the Catholic Church i dislike and they used to tie students left hand to the desk trying to get them to use their right hand.I like a Christian church because they best suit my understanding.

[@dmytro5990]

☦️❤️

[@Salient024]

Not the best comparison. Better comparison would be each one side by side being pontifical (with a bishop) or solemn (assisted by deacon and subdeacon) or high (just priest, servers, and choir).

[@Altare_Dei]

@@Salient024 true

[@Zack-f6p]

🇻🇦🙏☦️

[@NiklasKontio-bs5zd]

Catholic⚜️🗿 ”Orthodox”☦️🤓

[@pamelafeist4798]

We eastern rite Catholic have divine liturgy also , and are very much Catholic !

[@Altare_Dei]

So true! We love our Eastern Catholics

[@junicornplays980]

How come the Orthodox hyms sound Western?

[@Altare_Dei]

It's an English Divine Liturgy from an American cathedral

[@junicornplays980]

@@Altare_Dei I thought Orthodox churches used Byzantine music in their liturgies? With 8 tones? Sorry I might not be using the correct words, I don't know much about the Orthodox hymns.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@junicornplays980 I don't know, to be honest. I know even less than you about Orthodox hymns lol

[@junicornplays980]

@Nicholas-bc3qt Thank you!

[@mattmatt68]

They're singing in the Russian choral tradition which was influenced by Western church music

[@Salve_Regina8]

LATIN MASS IS THE BEST.

[@Altare_Dei]

Amen! Check out my other videos about Latin Mass if you're interested

[@Priestforever143]

Jesus celebrated mass along with people and towards people❤☦️☦️

[@behindenemylines3149]

The Latin Mass is NOT a traditional rite. There's the Liturgy of Saint James, Liturgy of Saint Gregory, and the Gallic Liturgy, Saint Basil, and of Saint John Chrysostom.

[@Altare_Dei]

There's also the Dominican Rite, the Sarum Use, the Carmelite Rite... your point?

[@nathanjohnson5554]

Is the RC priest chewinf gum?

[@Altare_Dei]

No lol

[@sebastianpakkiam8663]

POPE FRANCIS Rite is the ROMAN RIts

[@gerardogarcia4478]

No, es el Nouvo Ordo

[@rendcastles]

​@@gerardogarcia4478 The Novus Ordo is part of the Roman Rite.

[@Noe-jw7up]

Ok

[@SeraphMowlid]

I'll take the Divine Liturgy any day of the week and I attend a Latin Mass. The latin Mass is over rated. Cheers

[@palchum1185]

Do you prefer it because it is novel to you?

[@randomjake1488]

I think Latin sounds beautiful, but focusing on Latin as if it’s a particularly Holy language never made sense to me personally, or theologically. Placing Latin on a pedestal reminds me of how Arabic is given a holy status in Islam.

[@SeraphMowlid]

@randomjake1488 funny you say that because I have someone in my life that believes Latin to be a Holy language. Yes, it does parallel islam.

[@Reid-yy5nw]

Is the Divine Liturgy (the Eucharist) also a SACRIFICE or an unbloody re-crucifixion of Christ on the cross in Orthodox theology like it is with a Roman Mass? They look NOTHING alike! Thanks from an Episcopalian.

[@Altare_Dei]

Divine Liturgy and Holy Mass are two different liturgical expressions, but both are ultimately the same Eucharistic celebration. It is not a "re-crucifixion" or a "re-sacrificing" of Christ, but a presentation of, and participation in, His one true sacrifice at Calvary. We join ourselves to that eternal moment as the bread and wine are literally transubstantiated (changed in substance) into Christ's flesh and blood during the consecration, as shown here. The theology is the same for both, irrespective of liturgical form. Divine Liturgy is also practiced by Eastern Catholic churches, which are like Orthodox churches, except they're in full communion with Rome. Does that make sense?

[@Reid-yy5nw]

@@Altare_Dei Why didn't Jesus wear some ORNATE vestments, etc to celebrate His last Passover meal in a medieval ritual style too like Catholics and Orthodox go about it? It went from a rustic simple setting around a table to high art! Surely it puzzles the Lord! He'd say "that's NOT" what I told y'all to do! An example, Cardinal Burke's pagan Solemn High Pontifical Sung Latin Tridentine Mass with the GLOVES on! Overkill.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@Reid-yy5nw There's nothing pagan about it. Vestments are meant to show the sacredness of the liturgical action and communicate the significance of what is happening. Each item, such as the gloves you mention, has a deep spiritual and symbolic meaning that represents an aspect of worship. Gloves, for example, represent purity from sin, the performance of good works, and carefulness of procedure. The "high art" you take issue with has developed from traditions that ultimately go back to the Early Church. Sure, the underground church wasn't necessarily ornate, but they still valued iconography and art as symbolic of their faith. As an Episcopalian, I would think you'd understand, given the historically ornate nature of Anglican churches, not to mention the coronation of the head of your Church, King Charles. If we're pagan for being ornate, aren't they too?

[@Reid-yy5nw]

@@Altare_Dei You're right. I'm in the wrong pew. But Baptists are too addicted to a symbolic only Lord's Supper while they're RIGHT on the simple way to perform it as the Jews did Passover. So I'm in a mess. The Lord would say "you all have got it wrong!" So thanks for talking me into just quiting CHURCH altogether! I tried.

[@Altare_Dei]

@@Reid-yy5nw I would not come to that conclusion either. I'll keep you in my prayers though! God bless

[@DoctorDewgong]

Western rite better. Sorry ortho bros!

[@TheVietnameseCatholic]

@DoctorDewgong All forms of ancient liturgy is necessary for the catholicity of the Church and preservation of Apostolic Traditions handed down through centuries.

[@DoctorDewgong]

@@TheVietnameseCatholic sure! But western still better 😏😏

[@TheVietnameseCatholic]

@@DoctorDewgong Better is taste. I guess ours align.

[@YoLkE-22222]

there are western rite orthodox

[@stormshadowctf]

Too bad your church is heresy

[@cherrysakura2760]

Traditional Catholic 🙏

[@ВикторЕрмаков-д8т]

Православные ведут службу на Английском, немного смешно как это звучит, но это для меня как для русского православного, и тем не менее если не прислушиваться к языку то обычное православное богослужение 😊