Why Does The Kaioken HURT GOKU?

Why Does The Kaioken HURT Goku? ‪@LSMMIKE‬ discusses that in this DBZ video featuring the Dragon Ball Z anime and manga!
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[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

You know since Tien is all about killing himself it's funny he never learn the Kaio-Ken

[@yuncelluz8709]

Facts cell would’ve had hell if Tien had this technique

[@CornaOnTheCob]

Not just Tien, but Yamcha and Chaiotzu should have learned Kaioken, imo.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@CornaOnTheCob and piccolo

[@CornaOnTheCob]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Ya know what? Sure, him too. It would have been better to see him fight Frieza with Kaioken.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@CornaOnTheCob well all four of them where on King kai's

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

I think its because it caused his Power to increase beyond what his body could normally handle. It hurt him badly at first but then thanks to further master and zenkai boosts the hurting part went away

[@livingashtree1942]

It was due to him tapping deeper into his Saiyan potential that he was able to push the Kaio-ken technique that far until finally coming to his own and awakening the Super Saiyan transformation, no longer giving use to the foreign power boost method of Kaio-ken. The reason why Kaio-ken strains the body the way it does is because it isn't a natural way of powering up.

[@dillkosher5116]

I’ve always looked at it like when you workout super hard and you get that nice workout pump after you leave the gym you look all juiced up but the next day whatever muscle you stretched and ripped are sore af until they heal. I’ve always looked at it as that concept but obviously on a higher scale

[@williewonka500020]

It's pretty obvious it's adding too much power for his body to handle, it's just like if you're at the gym and lifting, and all of a sudden add 5x or 20x the weight your at. It's gonna shut down your body and hurt like hell

[@crayveonmiller3909]

Brooo....the way you analyzed and broke this down....no words man just an applause!!! This was amazing!!

[@ancientking224]

Okay this actually makes a lot of sense. I had just assumed that Goku feels pain because he's using a technique that's essentially hysterical strength. I never really thought of it like a violent rupture or burst, I always thought it was more having a full cup of water and then suddenly doubling or tripling the amount, spilling out quickly but if it's too much water it could break the cup. Love the video.

[@Demonjazz420]

I always had the theory that the Kaoiken is supposed to only last for a "Heartbeat" so I assumed Goku had to stop his heart for a bit and that would obviously fuck you up.

[@ghoulchan7525]

Maybe that was why he was vonurable to that heart virus.

[@kevinpeguero2189]

I want LSM channel to blow up, he does great videos wether it’s informational or what ifs. He’s been in the dbz community for years and deserves it

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

The best moment of super is Goku using the Kaio-Ken again

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I wish we'll see a Kaio-Ken ×100 again

[@supagreatman2826]

Facts LOL

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Because the best things come at a price

[@clintongillespie4811]

By using a level of Kaioken you're not ready for it can really damage your body this technique quickly puts stress on your body that's why after the fight with Vegeta Goku was in absolute agony add Rite Aid Vegeta stomping on him and treated him like a stress ball

[@SamsarasArt]

Well the Kaioken isn't a transformation but a technique. One so powerful it damages the user as multiplying your power several times over in your base form is overwhelming. It's similar to the Kikoho in that respect. A very powerful technique but one that threatens to kill the user.

[@willism86]

Just my head cannon, but what if using the technique actually damaged Goku's heart. The heart is a muscle that when damaged can never be reversed.

[@CornaOnTheCob]

That's a better headcanon than what most people think about the heart virus.

[@bdhuffman42]

Question about zenkai boosts that Goku was acquiring on the way to Namek. Do you feel that Goku hurting himself with his own energy and getting stronger goes against what Vegeta says later about not being able to hurt himself?

[@paddyspoint2]

I have a question, why can Goku get a zenkai boost after training by himself in the gravity chamber while Vegeta had to ask Krillin to injure him to an inch of his life since he can't get a zenkai boost if he inflicts harm to himself? Isn't Goku also inflicting harm to himself by training to an inch of his life under extreme gravity?

[@TheyCallMeTheGambit]

Vegeta didn't exactly have time to go for a quick training session, they were mid battle. Besides down the line all we see Vegeta do is train in the gravity chamber.

[@thatdudemoe9109]

Headcannon: King Kai did in fact master the Kaioken, but only at the base level. King Kai just simply can't use it proficiently and or knows it's possible to extend the multiplier, but lacks the strength to do so, So I'm his mind, it is not yet mastered.

[@austinneveau9387]

would have been cool to see some of the z fighters learn kaioken. i dont remember if there were requirements that had to be met for that move, i just recall it being a last resort technique because of the repercussions the body receives afterwards.

[@captainhostile101]

my theory is that they just werent fit for the move. king kai could have taught it to yamcha, tien and krillin and chiatzou, but we never got an explaination to why not

[@ssppeeaarr]

well seeing how king kai himself who created the technique and is a god couldn't even do it... it leaves little hope for humans to even handle it. thats why goku could cuz he was a saiyan and their bodies are made for such things. lol. but by EOZ and dbs era i think maybe krillin and tien could handle at least kaioken base. piccolo could prob handle more tho.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

​@@captainhostile101 probably just narrative reasons..no need for them to have it. It was an old and outdated move. Toriyama moved on. The characters were weak. Kaioken wouldn't have changed their positions.

[@donovanbradford8231]

Great video and a cool follow up would be if any of the Z fighters who trained with King Kai learned the kaio-ken, I think Tien would be the most likely given how he preformed against Cell with the Shin Kekoho, almost like he combined that with a kaio-ken being a reason he was able to even push Imperfect Cell into the ground.

[@derekhogan9685]

Still my fave technique. It could let anyone even a battlefield. A shame that only Goku seems to know it.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

I'm still shocked at how he somehow used a 100x Kaio-Ken against Lord Slug...

[@y.cyferfreemoney]

Always made sense that the ordinary Kaioken is a 1.5x multiplier = 12,000 adding half his power to itself. Kaioken 2x is a 2x multiplier = 16,000 and Kaioken 3x is a 3x multiplier = 24,000 which is the power level Vegeta was at when he arrived on Namek due to the Zenkai. Never made sense that Vegeta’s power level is 18,000 and Goku needed a Kaioken 4x which would be 32,000 to overcome the beam struggle.

[@shiningarmour6805]

That's because the Kamehameha is actually a mediocre beam attack. Even at the start of the series, the Dodonpa, Tri-Beam, and even the Makankosappo (which is actually inspired by the Dodonpa) are superior more damaging attacks. What the Kamehameha excels is versatility and manipulation, where a Dodonpa couldn't be a planet busting attack, you could make a kamehameha be huge to cover more area and far more effective area of effect. The Makankosappo can't planet bust either, it can drill in a tiny specific spot, but it can't swell and destroy. Though this confuses people from the anime, in the manga Piccolo doesn't use it against the moon, chapter 208 Between a beam battle of equal power, it is implied a Kamehameha can't defeat a Gallic Gun. However, Goku's Body at that point from the first Kaioken times 3, was so damaged, It could be that his power dropped to 6,000. This means that at Kaioken x3, Goku was at 18,000, equal to Vegeta, and why he needed to push to x4 to beat him.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Well he does tell Krillin it could kill him thats probably why Krillin never learns it

[@supagreatman2826]

True

[@rrose9161]

I view the kaioken as a technique that at it's foundation is the same type of thing that frieza killed krillin with but self inflicted hence why you have to have a higher level of ki control just to not die from the kaioken technique since I see it as basically you making a ki blast inside your own body that uses principles similar to the Kamehameha ( hence the strain on the body because you are basically self destructing while trying to hold your body together)

[@dekaritheprofessor2631]

Ah another Kaioken Video😍😍❤️ I looove these in-depth videos especially with my favorite DB technique: The Kaioken😍❤️❤️❤️

[@shoolcreates1999]

For me the concept is simple lol. Just imagine in real life being able to utilize a technique that immediately pushed your body several times past it's physical limits. That would fuck anybody up 😂😂

[@arrownoir]

The explanation that he needed the transformation to contain all that power kinda falls on his head when you bring in Ultimate Gohan. His buddy did not go through a metamorphosis, yet he was able to contain all that power.

[@shiningarmour6805]

Think of Kaioken on the body like a balloon, you can pump up the balloon, but it can also burst That's why even Tien knows, that after Goku's gravity training, he's less of a balloon and more like a *rock* He can now pump Kaioken x10 and he's so sturdy (bulked up in muscles) that he won't pop like a balloon anymore. His muscles can actually restrain him from over pumping. This is why, it's also implied, that the stronger Goku gets even beyond Namek, he could probably hold a Kaioken x20, x30, and even potentially x100. However, unlike Super Saiyan, Kaioken only lasts about 1 second, and it's gone, where Super Saiyan can sustain nonstop. This is why Goku couldn't finish off Vegeta with a power level of 24,000, where as Vegeta in Namek with 24,000 was killing characters as strong or stronger than he was on Earth. A second or a fraction of a second isn't enough for a proper finisher.

[@blaketindle4703]

I wish the Super Kaioken would’ve been canon in Z. Especially would have been cool to see Goku use it against Cell!

[@me67galaxylife]

No it’s stupid It make sense it’s impossible and also in the movie he could have just gone ssj2… but hey muh cool technique… man come on you’re giving worth to the worst stereotype about dragon ball

[@christopherhaynes8101]

As an athlete I give you props for that one 12:54

[@iRenz0]

“don’t go beyond double” Goes 20x’s lol

[@chaganshanker3584]

Dragon ball youtuber of the year. Your videos are unmatched sir. Putting out banger after banger.

[@Joshaq_]

Thank you LS mike

[@clintongillespie4811]

But just like the 2 previous Uzumaki's he survived the exposure however during his development instead of that chakra healing him he unconsciously use kyuubi chakra hatred and rage second source of nourishment for Naruto

[@clintongillespie4811]

Naruto only using Shadow clone Jutsu or overwhelming his opponents didn't even know what it was actually for

[@microshlink]

i love that the explanation to the question of ur videos is so simple but you take the time to prove why and truly elaborate fully

[@nostalgialad9467]

I feel like your popping up all over youtube now mike, I'm loving your content, no brown nosing bro but your definitely up there with the best db content creators, I would say 2nd only to geekdom, that's not a bad thing to say😅 you can't beat a coffee in the morning laughing stock and a cheeky 🍁😅

[@grumpy__]

This was how they used the Kaioken in dbz kakarot in terms of struggle of the body. It drains health rather than Ki

[@clintongillespie4811]

My point is sometimes when you use a technique for what it's not meant for you can either not reap the proper benefits like Naruto or the technique in damaged Beyond repair like Goku

[@TheArtGuyChannel]

It's basically overclocking. A stronger and more sturdier body can handle higher multipliers.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

because they needed a drawback and hadn’t discovered “uses a lot of stamina” yet

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love yout videos man! They always make my day!😊😊😊😊😊

[@mattys6106]

Kaio-sama didn’t actually say he couldn’t use the technique; just that he hadn’t mastered it… right? So maybe kaio-sama can use it but with lots of backlash, even at the base level

[@ssppeeaarr]

lol ya a double is king kais limit. ...sad but it was a cool and useful technique for goku until SS came along and made it obsolete.

[@clintongillespie4811]

Naruto just thought it was a clone Jutsu he probably didn't even read the instruction of what it does with his large Reserves he was literally able to create armies of himself

[@manis1551]

I always wondered if Piccolo could even do the Kaioken... I guess we will never know.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Well it only hurts him if he goes over his limit

[@clintongillespie4811]

And when he did wind Style rasenshuriken by the time the immortal Duo came back for round two

[@karnage2948]

I just assumed it pushed his physical body to above its limits itself. Like going ssj absorbed ki whilst kaioken just pushes the physical body, I’m not saying it perfectly but that’s kinda how I imagined. Each time he increased the kaioken his body would push further pass but also stress the body more. Which is why combining normal ssj and kaioken is lethal

[@Earth517Phoenix]

Yet goku did it against pikkon. Pretty good fight to tho I felt like goku had another level of power he chose not to use at the moment.

[@FalloutJack]

You mean, why does the Kaioken that King Kai explained puts his body under extreme pressure to max out the power output of a person into a solid burst actually hurt? Oh, you know. Reasons. (Because the ability for a normal human being to lift a car off of another human being single-handedly is an exertion that literally threatens to tear your body apart from the inside, so doing same on the DBZ scale would also hurt.)

[@crisstoff89]

I always pictured Kaioken as an Overclock , the small amount he wont feel much but the highest will risk blow him up like a CPU ragardless even of cooling. I liked an instance of Toriayma saying that Ki isnt just one thing , its something I agree with despite Toriyama saying alot of things then changing his mind. Its that Ki is split in many like vigor , courage ,spirit while Goku's normal power lacked vigor he made it up with courage and spirit but courage is also made in rush hint hint burts of power KAIOKEN! given that he also learned it while he was dead maybe made it easier to master over time. Also the my headcanon that the others never learned Kaioken besides the obvious Toriyama just didnt care at the time or considered , its that Goku always has a relaxed mind any sort of tension would cause Kaioken to kill him, its no wonder that the most empty minded character in db would learn it since thoughts seem to have "weight" to them

[@user-uh1rk6cn7x]

Tbf. Kaio-Ken(Base/Regular Kaio-Ken) could be kinda 1.5x multiplier...while Kaio-Ken x2 would then be a x2 multiplier...I mean it'd make sense bc. Kaio-Ken(Base/Regular Kaio-Ken) wouldn't make sense to be either x1 or x2 multiplier...and x1.5 is inbetween and does actually multiply while x1 doesn't multiply anything...because it wouldn't make sense to have Kaio-Ken (Base/Regular Kaio-Ken) be x2 when there is Kaio-Ken x2...just saiyin'

[@frankfreeman1553]

Let's give a shout to the real hero....Korin and his Senzu Beans

[@clintongillespie4811]

He might not have inherited any Fox features but I bet he most certainly acquired a few Fox traits like they say Fox's are clever and cunning and mostly unpredictable

[@ojpickle5923]

I always figured it was because kaioken isn't a "natural" power up like ssj is

[@clintongillespie4811]

The two Thunder Brothers try to catch kyuubi they failed and he ate them because he didn't chew them they were able to live two weeks and his stomach consuming his chakra and when they escaped and went back to Cloud their bodies were able to absorb portions of its chakra and they used it as their own

[@clintongillespie4811]

It drained Goku up most of his power he could barely even fight anymore to consider it amazing that he was able to push himself 20 time Beyond its natural limits

[@blackestyang7528]

I like kaioken more than ssj since it conveys really pushing limits and stakes ect

[@clintongillespie4811]

Kaio Ken it's literally a double-edged sword it can help you as well as hurt you badly

[@CJ-111]

Thanks for the kg conversion from Scotland 😂

[@clintongillespie4811]

Using a technique for what it it wasn't meant for can have serious drawbacks and complications

[@eranshachar9954]

Indeed it's tankes to the gravity training that he was able to withstand Kaioken much better than he originally did. One weird thing is that in the Lord Slug movie he uses Kaioken x100 and seem to be just fine. Yes I know the movies are not canon that's not the point, it just doesn't make sense because it was supposed to severely damage his body. I guess there are some things only the mighty Saiyan Kakarrot is able to do. My guess is that with all of the time the humans trained with K. Kai they were able to master Kaioken we simply never saw it on screen. But I would give them max x10 Kaioken. I think more than that would have destroyed them and especially Chaozu who has such a small body.

[@redjirachi1]

Since the technique was developed by a divine being maybe it is mainly meant for beings of that realm like gods and Otherworld bodies, so like SSJ3 it's more exhausting used by living mortals

[@ssppeeaarr]

but ss3 is from saiyans power not related to spiritual realms or gods. ...its just a bad writting and waste of ss3 in that whole arc. smh never forgave toriyama for that. but at least the movies gave ss3 more love and hype. before beerus bs came and ruined it again. 😄😟 also odd kai couldnt ever master his own move. thats sad and weird.

[@clintongillespie4811]

My best guess for Naruto if we compare him to kyuubi 30 to 40% call Kurama all power it is my opinion this is why Naruto was so wild and why he doesn't jump through trees like the average person instead of two legs he's on all fours

[@chadthomas7820]

We need a video game or we can go through all the stages of kaioken just like the Manga and anime that would be so dope

[@crayveonmiller3909]

Pretty sure thats where kengan asura get their release concept from

[@zabustifu]

1:08 Is that an actual, official English translation of that page? I'm asking because of that nasty "then" typo.

[@sockosophie3132]

I always understood the kaoiken like the 8 gates in Naruto

[@thedead073]

I always just assumed it was his overflowering faster than he could expend it. Like filling a balloon with too much air

[@elpopman2055]

Just remember that Goku can naturally Use higher Levels of The Kaio Ken without anybody Noticing..After Namek Saga..Goku Would most likely be able to utilize Kaio ken x20 more naturally. I can imagine that Goku In the Manga To Naturally Use Kaio ken with Is Ultra instinct technique(Not the Form) Ultra instinct Technique is Supplementary Technique That would naturally enhance the use of the Kaio ken without consequence. They are both compatible techniques. Of course Goku Could probably Only use combination in Base, SS God and SS Blue.

[@99zubat87]

I Don’t know if you have done this topic, but if you could do one on if Goku used Kaio-ken during his fight with perfect cell.

[@clintongillespie4811]

And still have chakra to spare the Shadow clone Jutsu what's created for reconnaissance so individuals would not have to endanger themselves

[@Miccolo321]

Idk if you’ve done this already but how about a poll or a video of Ssj2 “Teen” Gohan vs Broly from the original Z film?

[@johnquach8821]

Very interesting video? Maybe a "What if Piccolo learned Kaioken from King Kai?"

[@lilwish16]

What if the Kaioken was the reason (or part of) for him getting the heart virus during the Android Saga. That's definitely something to think about.

[@bitterthenu7278]

What

[@genghisdingus]

Video idea: Could Vegeta have beaten final form Frieza if he had the kaio ken?

[@shiningdiscretion3435]

No, Goku's base power level was higher than Vegeta's and even with the Kaioken x20 Goku was still at a disadvantage

[@nthe1st328]

Loool hell no

[@seekndestroy9932]

If Nappa would have not tried to attack Gohan they likely would have won.

[@supagreatman2826]

One of the best things about this dude is that he never takes credit for himself when he uploads something. He always respects us, the audience, and he is always full of energy in his videos. Keep up the hard work!!

[@supagreatman2826]

Thanks again mike!!!!

[@dustinhatfield8373]

Hey man, I'm a fairly recent viewer but I've been watching a lot of your videos lately and very much enjoy your content! I was curious, have your ever done/ considered doing a video about the abridged series? I would be curious to hear your thoughts on it and things you liked about how they added to the story or disliked etc.

[@OurAntwan]

So after goku and vegetas beam wave clash, do you think if vegeta attacked Goku straight away after he returned would he of defeated him since he Goku was so damaged

[@clintongillespie4811]

Sew-in short it's a double-edged sword that's why it hurts it

[@clintongillespie4811]

Kaio Ken it's a technique ment to be used in short bursts not to be used for a long. Of time doing that will damage your body maybe even Beyond repair

[@brandongary8234]

What if Goku got to king Kai planet early

[@ArteaPT]

You forgot expand the fact that blue kaioken from U6T was so backfire that Goku's muscles started to fry... Future Trunks Arc, I believe he used it and that didn't happen, at least for sure it didn't in ToP

[@LSMMIKE]

I talked about all of that in the video.

[@clintongillespie4811]

And guess what the Thunder brothers at 3 whiskers on both cheeks just like Naruto they could only survive two weeks in his stomach

[@skygalvan1880]

Why did Goku get zenkai boost while damaging himself on the way to Namek when Vegeta said he wouldn't get the Boost unless someone else damage them

[@clintongillespie4811]

Like its fight with Frieza at half power Goku with Houston 10X but he was able to push it to 20X

[@theobserver480]

Next video: why super Saiyan makes Saiyans stronger!

[@mups4016]

Anyone's who's ever gone to the gym to do sets to failure knows why the kaioken hurts goku.

[@clintongillespie4811]

Kaioken is a technique that pushes a individuals abilities ask their original limits and it's not done right you can cause your body to explode

[@clintongillespie4811]

Everyone believes Naruto got his whiskers when kyuubi was sealed inside of him.

[@user-mb4pd4ou5i]

Love it 🥰

[@JustRed916]

I think it's bc it's a unnatural boost in power, as ssj is natural to Saiyans

[@jason15212]

WHY DIDNT TIEN AND YAMCHA LEARN KAOIKIN!!

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

Well in Super it's no longer a issue just like a lot things in super

[@thedead073]

For the record. In Super its only an issue when the plot demands it

[@supagreatman2826]

​@@thedead073lmao

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@thedead073 they're just retcon it to fit their story just like everything else

[@hippiemonk5995]

Probably shouldn't comment yet, I haven't watched the video lol just added it to my watch later for now. BUT this is why I think king Kai didn't teach the technique to anyone but goku, his body is just better suited for it, plus it sort of works with his zenkai boost to break his body down faster. Maybe the human body would struggle to use even the first level.

[@clintongillespie4811]

Because Naruto survived nine months of exposure to the kyuubi chakra kyuubi literally became a part of of HIM!

[@xlro8f853]

So when will UI start spamming Kaoken?

[@arrownoir]

It makes no sense why it stopped. It seems like as his base gets stronger, he can multiply it further. Which should make no sense, but whatever.

[@jameshollister8294]

Where does all the energy come from 0:15

[@criixt]

I always found it odd and funny that db characters need audio cues to attack with their ki. The androids are a few exceptions that don't need to yell out their attack when they attack. If Goku didn't yell out the "x2 or x3" after yelling kaio-ken would his kaio-ken multiple? I'm glad they don't yellout their super saiyan transformation numbers when going ss1,ss2,ss3, etc. Or if Frieza yelled out GOLDEN FRIEZAAaaaaa telegraphing to his opponents when he's going to transform. Because despite the audio term for each attack, ie Kamehameha or Galic gun, its all just KIi. Does yelling out the attack name sends a trigger/signal to the body/ki to make that attack? Like what if i put my hands together like vegetas galic gun/final flash but instead of yelling those names, i yelled out special beam canon or Kamehameha, idk if you understand what I'm saying. Does the hand charging position and the name of the ki attack is what makes that attack? Its not like Supes yelling winter fresh breath before freezing you, or supers yelling HEEAAAT VIIISSION!!!