Lavinia Lets Him Go | Downton Abbey

[@metro121482]

I know some fans don't like her, but I really liked Lavinia. She was a sweet girl who had the unfortunate luck to fall for a man who was already in love with someone else. She showed more dignity, class, kindness, and grace under pressure than most of the aristocratic Crawley family.

[@baraalhm1135]

I totally agree I really like her character more then Mary she was so unfortunate to fall in love with someone whose heart was taken

[@Rikard_A]

They should not have killed her off.

[@gee2541]

@@Rikard_A She was always going to be killed off. She was a plot device meant to keep Matthew and Mary apart/cause conflict. Other than that, she had no purpose.

[@dixienormous6969]

Are you serious? There are people who don't like her? Are they crazy?! She was the sweetest & honestly, Matthew didn't deserve her...

[@gardenroom65]

Sounds like Diana

[@nina1522]

I don't know why people hate on Lavinia. She didn't do anything wrong.

[@danivarius]

Nina indeed

[@LoggyWD]

Because she has no personality whatsoever. she was just a plot prop

[@BurkeanMama]

No in fact the writers treated her terribly. Bringing her on just to keep M&M apart and then killing her. This was classic soap opera, so completely predictable.

[@itsametaphorbrian3091]

@@LoggyWD Well yeah, this is a TV show? That's what kinda happens, doesn't mean people have to hate on her and the actress.

[@safespacebear]

Lavinia was a perfect, gorgeous, angel who would never want anyone to be unhappy on account of her. Even Mary recognized that on the occasion when she (at Carson's prompting) was going to tell Matthew her feelings. When Matthew came back from the war, Mary was a good friend to her bc she knew Lavinia deserved her respect. Actually, Lavinia (except for Anna) was one of the first times Mary showed she cared for others more than her own desires.

[@Eiamii]

Lavinia was such a nice and sweet girl. Even in the afterlife she wished Mary and Matthew happiness, what an angel!

[@harringt100]

When Matthew showed up after only being married a couple, three years (or whatever) she must have been like. 🤦‍♀️

[@stevendaniel5649]

What Lavinia did was selfless and courageous. Completely unselfish.

[@amasion2882]

Honestly, I think she’s a smart lady. No one with sense wants a spouse who’s emotionally unavailable to them. She let go because SHE doesn’t want to be unhappily married to an unappreciative man pining away for someone else.

[@Su27Birmingham]

also at the first moment she arrives to Downton sees than is a huge task to be a Countess, and here is honest with Matthew, telling him than she´s not the right person to be in charge of that kind of tittle, even if she loves him, that´s not her

[@l.a.3479]

@@Su27Birmingham *sees that it's/it is a huge task...*

[@l.a.3479]

@@Su27Birmingham *title*

[@GoldenRose116]

Poor girl, she was so sweet.

[@beatjunkybg]

In their world filled with big obnoxious personalities saying "I'm just a little person.." sounds so sincere and heartbreaking...

[@12classics39]

It's really good writing that Lavinia doesn't let Matthew go JUST because he loves someone else. When two people don't truly click, then they just don't; there's no way around it. And Lavinia saying she wasn't meant for the life of a Countess indicates that even if Matthew never loved Mary or was really over her, their relationship still wouldn't have worked. Ultimately, Lavinia doesn't just end the engagement for Matthew's sake; she does it for herself, as well.

[@fizzao1342]

Poor Lavinia! I wonder if she gave up hope and gave in to death after seeing Matthew and Mary together and letting him go. The 1918 influenza was lethal in young people but the will to live counts for an awful lot. I wanted Matthew and Mary to be together but I cried when Lavinia died. She was so young and sweet.

[@kayceedaniels3575]

Spanish flu killed more people than WWI. It targeted young adults. It's not surprising that she died.

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@kayceedaniels3575 Flu Pandemics tend to target young adults and Children ( 1918 was an exception in regards to children ) They are horrible events that should never be taken lightly

[@pandakatiefominz]

I hate that they killed her. I think it would have been so much stronger if she ended it, and got to live and find someone to love her the way she deserved.

[@nanouklezaf4273]

Yes, her death was more convenient for the plot, even if it would have been more realistic to make Cora die. But her survival and to see her handling the end of her relationship would have been better.

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@nanouklezaf4273 The 1918 pandemic killed mostly younger people. Flu pandemics generally always affect the 20 to 40 range the most along with children over the age of four . Opposite of seasonal flu .

[@ireneavallestero8040]

But then, the Swire fortune would not have been available to dashing Matthew.

[@greenpenncil]

​@@ireneavallestero8040He would've made an exceptional barrister, but Mary may not have wanted him because of that, idk.

[@Yorkshirefreckles]

I loved Lavina she was so sweet and loving. She deserved Mathew more than Mary ever did. She was loyal and trustworthy reliable and gave Mathew her your heart till the very end. I truly believe she gave up to death because she knew it be the only way Mathew would be with Mary. She loved him enough to die for him.

[@Isaiah.2003]

Ikr and willing to care for him when he was paraplegic and willing to give up having children. Something few would even consider

[@jehannethompson1432]

Matthew didn’t love her.

[@Ariel-fx2vp]

@@jehannethompson1432 he did. He just love mary more.

[@jm1657]

@@Ariel-fx2vp Yes.

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

Well, that's a bit too much ''dying to give way to Mary''. Unbelievable even for period romantic drama, honestly.

[@safespacebear]

I know Lavinia was in the way of a fairytale ending but I ADORED her. She, like Matthew, brought out the best in Mary. I really think Mary would have bore Matthew and Lavina with total grace bc she respected Lavinia. It was Mary who told Violet and Ros to back off of Lavinia. My favorite line ever spoken by Lavinia: "Is she? We'll see". Girl knew that Richard wasn't going to be the one to marry Mary probably before anyone else did.

[@hannahdyson7129]

I didnt like Matthew and Mary together. They were the definition of a toxic realtionship in my eyes

[@loliver9660]

Lavinia was an angel, just like Sybil 😓

[@marilenapantazi]

And the writers decided to kill both of them :((

[@x_n_x_gal9161]

I didn't watch anymore when I learned that Sybil would die ​@@marilenapantazi

[@helenhern893]

Ultimately Lavinia was a plot device to keep Mary and Matthew apart for an additional 4 years, over the 2 that is between series. She was sweet and great, and should have been allowed to live, moving back to London and finding someone who put her 1st.

[@hannahdyson7129]

The thing is she would have been humiliated and seen as a laughing stock had she moved back to London . She would have been seen as everyone's sloppy seconds 🙄. She would have had a better chance staying in the country and making a life for herself there . She may well have re married . Or moving to the USA .

[@GraceBarberAgentRomance]

Lavinia's lines in this scene are so great.

[@lolagreydottir6429]

Girl deserved better!

[@2ndRodeo_Keziah]

I recognize that final moment in that scene, when she says we'll talk later, and he says 'of course.' And he leaves. Without even touching her. She needed contact with him right then, a touch, a hug, a kiss. He gave nothing, and just left. That was her confirmation. So sad.

[@hannahdyson7129]

I don't think she wanted him to get too close , I suspect she would have pushed him away if he tried . She wouldn't want to infect him

[@caoimhebrowne466]

Poor Lavinia, I feel sad every time I think of her... she deserved better 💔

[@nanouklezaf4273]

What an angel. And let's not forget that Downton Abbey acknowledged the existence of ghosts as she came back during the ouija game downstairs to give her blessing to Mary and Matthew.

[@hannahdyson7129]

The UK and Ireland are some of the most haunted places in the world

[@georgeprchal3924]

The alternate title for this show: There's Something About Mary.

[@l.a.3479]

🤣🤣🤣

[@amassoffoolsandknaves7539]

I loved Lavinia... and the relationship she has with the other characters, especially with Mary. I was so sad when she died

[@christopherdiaz851]

She wishes him happiness because as she says, "I'm an ordinary person." So was Matthew in the beginning. She only says "how fine," because in all reality she knows the battle is lost. Not out of losing to Mary so much as Matthew's own inconsistencies and lack of dedication. Sure it's noble of him to soldier on, but what's truly to keep him from committing adultery regardless? In her heart she knows, absolutely nothing. And the evidence for her case has been building steadily and steadily to where the evidence has reached the the state of overwhelming. Better to release him now or give the aspect of it to alleviate him of his conscience to allow him to do what he WANTS to do. Because in all reality she knew that Matthew is just that, unfaithful. She has self-worth as she admits but to say "not enough to make you marry the wrong person." It is because she knows his heart just is not in their marriage because in a way she knows just as she may have been self-sacrificing, Matthew is not. He can't even respect the premise of engagement to say to Mary to back off because of exactly that, He doesn't want to. "I won't let you do this." She knows you can't fool her, you idiot. "You will."

[@rhiannonm6022]

She says "how fine" meaning how good they look together

[@vidamitchell1529]

Christopher Diaz Sounds personal to you. It was just a show.

[@christopherdiaz851]

@@vidamitchell1529 It is just a show. I know. I love this show. However, it doesn't mean I can't point out the faults. I simply look at things realistically. I understand that I can come across as overly serious. However, I prefer a nuanced look at characters as human beings as opposed to just relying on what the soap presents them as.

[@garyjaze143]

It’s a Greek tragedy, they loved then not, he found another but Mary still loves him putting the estate before love. That’s a great sacrifice.

[@hannahdyson7129]

She brought out the best in Mary and Mary never got over her death . She saw her as an equal and freinds . Young adults are always the most vulnerable during Flu Pandemics, not just in 1918 .

[@howtubeable]

"Young adults are always the most vulnerable during Flu Pandemics, not just in 1918 ." LOL Are you serious? Young adults are the LEAST affected by pandemics! To quote Ben Shapiro, "Facts don't care about your feelings."

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@howtubeable During flu ones they are most at risk whereas older people aren't. Older people are more likely to have come across a strain that gives them some protection . So the immune system doesn't overact . Younger peoples do however. The seasonal H1N1 kills young healthy adults when its the dominate strain in the season . The 2009 strain killed Younger people. Once again " facts don't care about your feelings "

[@rubyhill3731]

Downtown Abbey is life 😍❤

[@karenpeterson620]

Losing Mathew to Mary was bad enough, but then she also lost her life. Now who ended up living on Laviona' s inheritance.? Mary of all people. So Wrong!

[@hannahdyson7129]

And Mary felt guilty for doing so . She visited her grave not once but twice , when she agreed to marry Matthew and when they accepted the money . She truly loved and cared for her

[@garyjaze143]

Not Mary , Master George did!

[@MandieTerrier]

And George Matthew's heir

[@hadiyazid]

Mary was definitely instrumentally responsible for Matthew agreed to accept the vast inheritance from the Swire.

[@jm1657]

@@hannahdyson7129 I don’t remember Mary visiting Lavinia’s grave a 2nd time…. Do you recall what episode that happened in? Thanks 😊

[@shazanakaini803]

That's true love right there brave girl, selfless and oh so strong she was the sweetest 💛

[@rtab722]

Honestly if it happened in the current time, Matthew should have let her go in the first place since he knew he can't love her, to be decent. But at that time it was probably very common for an aristocratic man to marry someone he didn't love. So this is just sad.

[@alexanderjones9572]

'I've been thinking about the date for the rematch..' Honestly Matthew! What sort of time is this for football references?!

[@morgand.3809]

I am at least glad Matthew agreed that Mary would not have looked after him and cared for him as well as Lavinia did.

[@helenhern893]

Mary was more than willing to be with Matthew when he was paralyzed. It was Matthew who would not let her.

[@morgand.3809]

@@helenhern893 It's not Mary's willingness that is in discussion.

[@jm1657]

I think he agreed with Lavinia just because he wanted to make her feel better.

[@vidamitchell1529]

In the end Lavinia got Matthew back... Mary did not have him for long. He died, and so there you go.

[@helenhern893]

So true and so sad

[@garyjaze143]

Oh dear

[@gee2541]

That's if you believe they'll "meet in heaven" and I highly doubt that lol she wasn't even his true love

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@gee2541 But he loved her. Just in a diffrent way Romantic love is very fickle

[@gee2541]

@@hannahdyson7129 Sure but Matthew and Mary had a real connection. They were always meant to be together

[@englishrose4388]

Lavinia was so sweet.

[@LuvSlushie]

I always thought Lavinia was remarkable tbh xoxo

[@juliabrito6443]

Post more about Lavinia! 💙

[@l.a.3479]

No

[@Emily-yg4vv]

She’s was the sweetest person on the show! Sweeter than Sybil. I love and miss Lavinia

[@LpsDashyAurora]

I feel so bad for her 😞 that mathew did this to her. He made a mistake with deciding which person he truly wanted. He should have took some time to himself to figure out who he truly loved.

[@hellogoodbyeandallinbetween]

She was collateral damage and Matthew especially could have handled the situation better. Leading her on the way he did even though he'd already gone behind her back with Mary? So selfish. It's always the kind people who somehow seem to die unloved, while eternally spoilt and selfish people like Mary are loved by many

[@helenhern893]

He never should have proposed to her. He was not over Mary. He pretended for 3 years that he was until 2 nights before his wedding. Though even after he kissed Mary, I don’t think he intended on leaving Lavinia. If Lavinia has lived she would not have married Matthew, it took her 3 years to see what everyone else has been seeing for years. Matthew’s heart belonged to Mary.

[@hannahdyson7129]

She was loved , Matthew loved her . Just in a different way . Mary loved her , that says a lot . There was a reason why Sybil and Dr Clarkson called for Mary and Mathew when she died . Its why Mary gave Richard a cold look when he said " let him be with her " . The dark looked she gave said " this isnt about him " and why Richard let her go . He knew ot was about more than Matthew.

[@rowanaforrest9792]

@@hannahdyson7129 I agree, Lavinia was very much loved. Was she the woman Matthew loved the most? No, but Matthew did love her. Even Mary loved and respected Lavinia. Had the Spanish flu not killed her, I believe she would have held firm and not married Matthew, but she wouldn't have held it against him and eventually her broken heart would have healed.

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@rowanaforrest9792 You are right . It would have been nice for her to start her own life in Yorkshire. I don't think going back to London would have worked out for her. At least in Yorkshire she could lie low and allow her wounds to heal without all of the London gossip

[@l.a.3479]

@@helenhern893 If Lavinia HAD lived...

[@alyssapinon9670]

I saw the title of this video and thought of This is Gospel. Then I thought “man she sure took the line of ‘if you love me let me go’ too seriously”. I’m so sorry I actually really liked her and was so sad about her death, especially the reason she died.

[@Su27Birmingham]

at the first moment she arrives to Downton, Lavinnia sees than is a huge task to be a Countess, and here is honest with Matthew, telling him than she´s not the right person to be in charge of that kind of tittle, even if she loves him, that´s not her; she would make the effort for him, but knowing than he´s in love with someone else... well, why would she?

[@thezord6686]

Lavinia is the hero of the series.

[@AcE-tt5hy]

U don’t cheat girl like her u don’t let go girl like her, she’s perfect and u r lucky to have her

[@pksmith7560]

Honestly i really hate people like that if he doesn't love her he already love someone else why he want to marry her then broken her heart by go behind her back he with another girl that like killing on purpose

[@donnademarino4845]

He died a young man too. He didn't come out on top for very long, so sad.

[@l.a.3479]

Your comment is annoying, and not just because you say you "really hate people like that." It's some kind of weird run-on thought without punctuation.

[@pan-opticon]

*IF YOU LOVE ME LET ME GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!*

[@donnademarino4845]

She's completely adorable but looks a little out of her comfort zone in Matthew's world. This is a sad era in history, just after the great war another 50 million people died from the Spanish Flu, mostly young people. So tragic.

[@hannahdyson7129]

Flu Pandemics mainly claim the young , in 1918 , 1957, 1968 ,2009, and throughout history . They are deeply unpleasant experiences

[@howtubeable]

@@hannahdyson7129 Are you serious? Flu kills the young and healthy but spares the old?

[@hannahdyson7129]

@@howtubeable In flu pandemics yes it does

[@paris2439]

People hate her because they can’t deny the fact that Lavinia deserves Matthew way more than selfish, arrogant, naive, manipulative Mary does.

[@vidamitchell1529]

People love who they love... Matthew could not help being in love with Mary.. No one is to blame! Of course it was just a show, if it was real life it would be sad. No One should be to blame, not Matthew, not Mary, Not Lavinia, it just was what it was!

[@kpax2066]

Lavinia was a beautiful young lady with the selflessness and wisdom of an old soul. Matthew was a kind man, who unfortunately was already in love with the often cruel and unfeeling Mary. Mary was my least favorite character on the show. I never understood why people liked her. Edith got it right when she called her a bitch.

[@ravenkushner]

Mary is my least favorite character too. I don't get it. Almost everyone else is more interesting to me than her. I'm just watching this show for the first time. Now that I know that they conveniently killed off Lavinia to give Mary what she wants, the only other people that interest me are Bates and Anna. So I'm not sure I'll end up finishing this how.

[@hannahdyson7129]

I think they summed up Mary's character to a tee when she used Marigold against Edith . Thats the marks of a cruel woman. Using an innocent child as a weapon

[@l.a.3479]

@@hannahdyson7129 *Those are the marks...*

[@breezymango4113]

I really, really like Lavinia!! She is so much better than Mary!

[@sharonozvenom]

Mary didn’t want Matthew back until he suddenly was able to recover from his injuries. Mary was a selfish being and Lavinia was treated badly.

[@helenhern893]

That is not true. Mary wanted to be with Matthew on “any terms” - it was obvious she was saying it about herself when she asked Matthew when he sent Lavinia away after he was injured. Also - when Mary was talking to Matthew when he was in a wheelchair- she tells him that she did not have to Mary Richard . It was a self loathing Matthew that said that she did - that he could not be with anyone.

[@sharonozvenom]

Helen Hern I remember Mary deciding not to marry Matthew when her mother was pregnant with a son because her family no longer needed him to keep the title within the family . That said a lot about her true intentions .

[@vidamitchell1529]

Helen Hern Thank you! You are right.

[@jehannethompson1432]

Sharon Ozvenom she didn’t accept him bc of Pamuk. She thought he would leave her if he knew.

[@helenhern893]

Mary has not given Matthew an answer for 2 months because she was trying to figure a way to tell him about pamuk, before Cora was know to be with child. It muddied the water further for her - but she tells Rosamund that she did not want to put him off, that they get on so well etc. Rosamund puts doubts in her head. And given the secret she holds , she does not commit to Matthew, though she never turns him down. Matthew knowing only 1 part of the story, no longer trusts in her love, rescinds his marriage offer. Mary at the garden party tells him she herself was not sure she would have rejected him if he were to be usurped as heir.

[@cindyhalpern3187]

Lavinia was wise. She wasn't who Matthew loved. A very sweet girl, but not a match for Matthew.

[@byednalda]

Porque parou de passar no netflix?

[@dietdrpepper15]

She is so cute. But she has a very good point, she isn't really made to be in charge of Downton.

[@hannahdyson7129]

She was . She was stronger then she realised .

[@bluemercy297]

She's 2 sweet

[@TheRealCcE]

So she chooses death bc of Matthew? I’m disgusted. If that was my child I’d never forgive Matthew and Mary.

[@hannahdyson7129]

Both Mary and Matthew where destroyed by her death. They didn't want to marry out of gulit . Mr Swire perhaps didn't want three young lives destroyed ? Lavinia wanted them to be happy

[@gabygaby5701]

I wish a had all the ladies nightgowns, they are so femenine and elegant.

[@l.a.3479]

*I wish I had...*

[@l.a.3479]

*feminine*

[@ultimateclotiluver]

Lavinia was the real MVP, so much better than Mary.

[@halfstayed]

Lavinia is like Karen from The Office - we all rationally know she’s a good match except _nothing_ can compare to our OTP

[@jm1657]

Great analogy

[@x_n_x_gal9161]

She should have survived and went on and found her own happiness. I really hated Matthew after this.

[@breezymango4113]

Mathew should have told her that she was NOT the wrong person and that he loved her! Why did he ask her to marry him if he didn't really care for her?

[@coracaoturco-heartturkey4558]

Brazil 🇧🇷

[@msinvincible2000]

Matthew didn't deserve Lavinia, he didn't deserve her love, or the money she left him. He was just a moron, who fell in love with the nastiest woman in England. I wasn't sad when he died, I love when Karma does it's job. I was just sorry that Mary wasn't in the car with him

[@l.a.3479]

Keep calm. Carry on. It's only a television drama.

[@bareabopopera3091]

Do one on Thomas!

[@MsDoctorWhoFan1]

I imagine them having a Jack and Rose Titanic reunion after he died in the car crash, both waiting for Mary

[@yahairacalvo8791]

She didn't deserve someone like him

[@samg1879]

Looking for some coronavirus inspiration

[@ΕΜπα]

Poor, sweet girl! And very good looking, certainly more than the obnoxious, stiff Mary.

[@sanamunir3756]

Don't. Cheat. One. Fromsachoolmadamyes

[@l.a.3479]

?

[@Su27Birmingham]

at the first moment she arrives to Downton, Lavinnia sees than is a huge task to be a Countess, and here is honest with Matthew, telling him than she´s not the right person to be in charge of that kind of tittle, even if she loves him, that´s not her; she would make the effort for him, but knowing than he´s in love with someone else... well, why would she?

[@l.a.3479]

This is like the 3rd time you've said this, misspellings included. 🙄🤦