Elizabeth Holmes Testimony Continues- Week 13 Update

[@colinmclennan1465]

Her defence is something like “we all know I’m guilty but I’ve said I’m not guilty, and I cried on the stand and have a baby now, so can I just go home?”

[@lornarettig3215]

You‘re so right! And I really think she expects exactly this to happen 🤬

[@27gts]

if she gets away with that plea- the precedent is set- a high, high percentage of women incarcerated have babies and/or toddlers, and they are locked up for a lot less then what lizzie has done, will have to be set free for the same reason

[@NY-cg6fd]

🤣🤣🤣 really!

[@emintey]

You forgot "Sunny made me do it!!"

[@providencephelps1497]

Seriously!

[@ritu.sharma]

Peter, you have a very admirable way of explaining things so clearly . I do hope that the jury can see that Holmes is not innocent and finds her guilty.

[@billk8780]

Would not be surprised if this jury is tiring of hearing "the victimized, poor little me" and find her guilty on most counts. Sentencing will be another matter.

[@lornarettig3215]

Hope so - poor victimised little me‘s are rarely CEOs of anything, never mind the ringmaster of this scam.

[@Liitebulb]

Hurtful to legitimate cases where a person is manipulated by their oartner sadly. A truly ethical lawyer should remember that cases set precedents

[@Wombats-1]

Even if they find her "guilty" That word doesn't mean much of anything in that world. The only ones that see the inside of a cell are people who have an ounce of pot. When you rip people off of their life's savings you only get probation or house arrest. Madoff was like the only exception and I'm still surprised they actually gave him real prison. Probably because it was the largest ponzi scheme ever created. I was expecting them to offer him a job as a consultant and forgive every crime he ever committed.

[@navi2710]

Such a victim who has been paying her self millions and somehow she didn't know her own invention never worked. No business owner will be so incompetent and clueless that their primary product didn't work.

[@tarheelmoni5793]

@@Wombats-1 Well, what about Enron's fraudsters? - The Fastows & Skilling got real jail time.

[@emintey]

I've followed this case pretty closely and what i haven't seen in any of the comments is anyone actually defending her...no one. No one.

[@scasey1960]

I’m defending her. She’s done what SV CEOs do - raise money and bring in business. The R&D and development staff did not deliver. Family funds (like DeVos) make their money by insider trading. They have zero ability to do any due diligence. Family funds have been cutting out VCs and they suck at early stage investing. This trail is family funds with government connections trying to stick it to Holmes. Her defense attorneys are a disaster.

[@davidporeilly1]

@@scasey1960 Na, she was engaging in clearly fraudulent behaviour. It's tough to be a defence lawyer when your clients behaviour is indefensible.

[@emintey]

@@scasey1960 Wow, I did flush one out lol Seriously though, your view is a distorted one. I'm not sure what kind of beast you think an "SV" CEO is, but you can't just promise the moon, say it's yours to give and then hire someone to create it for you, and then blame those Bozo's that you hire because of false promises that you made, when the R&D is more difficult than you thought. I hope you don't try to pull that one off yourself, especially where lives are at stake.

[@lornarettig3215]

@@scasey1960 She had no basis to believe the R&D would ever deliver - she was told by her betters that her idea was science fiction, but of course she knew better than all of medical science. She isn’t the smartest person in the room when she’s alone with her new baby, and I hope she pays for her hubris with prison time.

[@pete6705]

@@scasey1960 it’s pretty hard to do due diligence when everything you’re being told and all the documents you’re given are fraudulent. The laws are the only thing that prevent companies from showing investors false statements, so without prosecuting the people that do this, a company can do whatever it wants and get away with it. The only person who uncovered their lies was a journalist who had to secretly talk to ex-employees to get the truth. Also it was a medical company who’s lies were putting thousands of patients in serious danger

[@Inkling777]

Interesting that Holmes has so few people wanting to testify on her behalf.

[@SilkyShish]

Not interesting at all nor surprising at all because she is guilty as hell.

[@PungiFungi]

Expecting her brother to testify on her behalf...and take the blame.

[@tiffsaver]

HER MOTHER... maybe.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

very

[@APBpa]

It's because her actions are truly in-defensible.

[@sylviadurham4918]

Glad I made the “live” - good summary Pete - as to jury deliberations, I believe it will be a few days, not weeks… the woman is guilty and I trust the jury to come to the correct verdict!!

[@bsmith1339]

She's guilty as sin!!

[@APBpa]

We have to remember that during all of this trauma that she was experiencing, she neglected to think of all the people she could have killed with all her false test results, all the while enjoying all of the perks. Again it's about HER being the victim, but perhaps, just perhaps, it isn't she who is the victim here. She sure didn't sound remorseful in the least bit. It was all I'm the victim, forget about all the perks, not my fault, okay it's been fun I'm going to go home now. 🤔

[@custer2449]

If the jury was paying attention and if they have the intelligence God gave a turnip, Holmes is toast.

[@aldrigforsent8862]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@LawyerYouKnow]

lol

[@custer2449]

"Had I known that I would be in this position, I would have done things differently."--E.H. "If I hadn't murdered that guy, things would've turned out differently."--Take your pick.

[@supermopar7497]

She’s busted. This chick can lie on a scale the likes of which is, to the average person, is on a quantum level. But on the other hand, I can’t help but marvel at her ability to lie. She’s off the scale.

[@LichenAndMoss]

Totally! She lies with the ease with which the average person breathes. She’s the Picasso of BS artists.

[@futureworks6116]

Great word

[@olivesmith1920]

I thought she was creepy from the beginning. People who know science where more likely to reject her lies. It's disgusting how the hype go her so much fame money prestige. Who fact checked her? Who verified the product? It showed weakness in leaders who prompted her crap. She should do hard time. I find her extremely disgusting cruel and dangerous to others.

[@watashinoetube]

Can you believe Elizabeth's statements after all of these lies ?

[@christinesomera9718]

I watched her deposition from a previous matter...civil case, maybe? She comes across as a very arrogant jerk (=her true persona, imho), especially when being questioned by opposing counsel and her counsel objecting to the question, or rather advising her not to answer. She’d do this “in your face” kinda smirk at the attorney questioning her then. I wonder if she’s coming across the same way here, in front of the jury.

[@barbthomas8783]

You are absolutely outstanding!!! Clear and concise. Her going on the stand has been her ticket to prison. So guilty and blaming others is so lame. She will be found guilty as “power and wealth totally corrupt “ and Sunny will be found not guilty. ...There’s lover retribution. Bad idea for the defense to allow her to testify, but l’m sure she insisted on it. If she is not found guilty, then our criminal system is corrupt.

[@emintey]

I think she thought that she could hypnotize the jury with her eyes into acquiting her.

[@RunningGirl0205]

Same as Jodi arias. They both are psychopaths that get away with a ton of shit but when they hit the legal system, they are screwed bc they think the same manipulations will work. They don’t. It’s a great lesson.

[@marvfj6451]

Concur she insisted on testifying, because con artists gotta con.

[@PungiFungi]

@@RunningGirl0205 again, con artists can run their scam only in the context that you think they are legit… never in a context of a criminal trial.

[@elsebethlind1076]

Is there a record of the rape?

[@booneymazz649]

Fantastic coverage

[@donnalambert7674]

Love your recaps

[@manchitas3531]

Sorry, with all due respect but a rape is no excuse for being a crook

[@briankendallRyanandBrian]

if there even was any rapes... my guess is the whole story is made up as a hail mary

[@Liitebulb]

The defense it getting desperate

[@curtalaura796]

I was thinking about the same. Imagine that everyone who is raped goes on to create mega companies and defraud people of billions... And if she uses rape as an excuse but it didn't happen... 😳 Why would you do that? Rape is a serious thing! You can't just throw it in your testimony like that!

[@briankendallRyanandBrian]

@@curtalaura796 so far 100% of what she has said has cold hard facts saying it was a lie. like not even questionable, logos appearing on investor documents, we can run 200 tests, sunni was abusing me, when all the texts say opposite? so far every word out of her mouth only has evidence saying opposite. don't mean to cast doubt on any rape victim, but this one smells like a made up hail mary lie if you go by everything she has said thus far.

[@joenaylor34]

Has it been made clear how rich Ms. Holmes would be if the Wall Street Journal had not investigated? If so I think she has no chance of getting off because there is little sympathy for rich people who maybe got rich by cheating.

[@amalhayati4]

Really enjoying this series!

[@LichenAndMoss]

It’s like reading the news articles, but with gesticulation

[@tallblonde1976]

Oh my gosh I'm so sick of this! This woman came across as a strong woman, tough, no nonsense. But she falls back on the "oh he abused me". I don't believe it.

[@IvarDaigon]

I was the CEO and I still own 51% of the voting rights in the company but yeah I'm the victim here because I was being controlled by a guy who split every asset evenly with me.. that's how manipulative he was...

[@ginamills5597]

The ghislaine maxwell trial. I’d be interested to hear ur thought. That one as I enjoy ur videos & breakdowns.

[@dr.garyhatcher8364]

Good overview. The crying helped at the time but it will be forgotten. She can't cry her way out of this. She didn't love this guy. She wanted his money. She got it. She had to use her body to get it. Evidence is overwhelmingly against her. Her dude has problems of his own. I expect the jury to be out for four days or less. I expect a finding of guilty.

[@sportsbadcalls334]

Where was her father? I would have dragged her back to TX if my daughter started romancing with a guy old enough to be her father. It is always distressing to see young women that sell their bodies to have clout and money and things. Sick family not to bring her back home. Sunny got what he paid for.

[@deborahgrover9358]

It makes sense they would purchase a house that way because she was telling reporters at the time that she lived alone in a small, barely furnished apartment with a refrigerator filled with green juice. She wanted to keep up the narrative that she lived like a monk because her entire life was her business. I hope the jury sees through her. The bottom line is that she endangered the lives of innocent people because she wanted to play entrepreneur and make a ton of money.

[@alexwong8851]

Great job covering the trial!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thanks for watching!

[@amirismail8550]

Hi, been loving your videos. Since you asked what coverage you can do after Holmes series, may I suggest for you to go for old hearings? There are many that are interesting like Al Capone and Madoff Maybe you can do a pole with your viewers

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@nadineF]

I don’t know whether she is guilty of fraud or not but seeing a woman who is clearly highly competent and who has shown so much power now posing as a victim and taking refuge in the sexual and emotional abuse from a man, that’s really disappointing.

[@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644]

Very disappointing but not surprising, blame the man and never take accountability is the game for the majority of modern woman.

[@deborahgrover9358]

Let's not forget that Sunny was married at the time he knew Elizabeth and she had no qualms about breaking up his marriage. She seems to have a strong sense of entitlement. If she wants something she gets it no matter who she steps on, lies to or endangers to get it.

[@L3x4Pr0ne]

Good update, muh dude.

[@TheSusieTom]

She was the chief executive officer! Executive being the optimum word

[@furyofbongos]

Excellent recap, THANKS!!

[@ShakespeareCafe]

How can the jury believe this obvious Sunny blame when they can't hear his side of the story?

[@rweems5796]

My view from the cheap seats - putting her on the stand was a Hail Mary effort to appeal to “that poor young woman” bias for frail looking little blonds, which, as a female manager, I find quite distasteful. The ‘I’m a victim’ appeal is moot, in my view, because if, as CEO, she was forced to act illegally - go to the FDA on one of her junkets back East that she went on alone (such as when she visited Rupert Murdock in NY to ask him to force Carryrou to back down.…which he declined to do),. During that visit with the FDA regulators - spill her guts, offering to work with the FDA to correct Theranos’ violations. If she’d thrown Balwani under the proverbial bus then, 2014-2015 timeframe, I might have a wee bit more sympathy. Now? Frankly, I think she’s just playing the pity card. Having worked in the FDA regulatory environment for a number of years, I’ve observed first hand how Sr. Management, especially at the executive level, refuses to accept that they must conform to regulations. Egotistical conceit and the profit motive push many of Elizabeth Holmes ilk to seek work arounds, avoidance tactics and/or plain old corruption, as in pay-to-play, to circumvent regulations in place to protect the population from “Snake Oil Salesmen”. My prediction - the prosecution’s case was sufficient to bring the jury to a decision to convict, but I concur, I think it will take 5-7 days of deliberation to reach that decision. At least I hope they convict her. It will be shameful if they do not.

[@2bigbufords]

Anybody else think her husband is getting used? If she somehow gets out of this I would bet she ditches him fast.

[@lornarettig3215]

She won‘t ditch him - she‘s unemployable for even an entry-level, minimum wage job, so her husband has to pay her bills for the rest of her life.

[@27gts]

hope she is incarcerated but, don't think she will get the whole 20 the prosecutors are asking for- but, I hope she gets over 10yrs. do you think she will get a girlfriend in prison? it is quite common I read- lizzie acts pretty butch- some women are attracted to those types of mannerisms

[@RunningGirl0205]

@@27gts more importantly, Billy Evans will ditch her. He isn’t going to wait around for 10 years. He’ll get another baby momma to raise her kid. That would be justice.

[@lisadellaratta495]

Her husband is in on it! He wanted to marry her knowing she had a trial coming up. He's looking for his 15 minutes of Fame and is a trust fund kid.

[@PungiFungi]

I do not think they are married.

[@vernefits1953]

awesome review

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@meetscottyb]

LOVE THE SERIES/CHANNEL! I was in court yesterday for cross and my my, what a day. I spoke to her in the hall, spoke to her mother and her partner (real cocky ass), spoke to the prosecutor, the media. Such an exciting day!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thats awesome Scott!

[@nataliegaron9900]

Great recap tks. Gosh, her audacity on cross examination (selective memory) is unbelievable!

[@futureworks6116]

You do such an outstanding job giving us the inside track - my question to you - do you think she is guilty of the Gov charges … flat out -

[@roro9040]

Thanks for doing these overviews, easy to understand what is going on. For next series what about the Ghislaine Maxwell trial? That one is going to be an interesting one too. Have a great weekend.

[@Bullshod]

Great commentary!

[@David-os9ej]

You asked for predictions, so here you go. It depends on when the jury gets the case. If deliberations start Thursday afternoon, they'll come back Friday morning, take an early lunch at Il Fornaio, announce they have a verdict at about 2, and beat the Friday afternoon traffic out of town by 2:45--give or take 15 minutes. Ms. Holmes seems unlikely to present much of quandary for a Santa Clara jury.

[@chrisphillips5722]

These Facts that can’t be denied. 1. Ms. Holmes was brilliant at selling the "vision" of her business. 2. Some of Ms. Holmes investors had a lot more money than brains. (In this case I am referring to the brain of a sheep.) 3. From a poker stand point Ms. Holmes was trying to “draw to an inside straight”. Contrary to Steve Jobs and APPLE, Ms. Holmes did not have all potential blood analyses technologies and the experts to achieve the vision. Her final position was to keep the money flowing in as long as she could in order to buy time, and hopefully the technical expertise would be developed.

[@emintey]

As Mr. Rogers said: "Wishes don't make dreams come true". It's easy to say what you want, but quite another thing to develop a new technology to do it, science just doesn't work that way. She had no new technology and we know that because it was not part of her defense, it's put up or shut up time.

[@stephenhosking7384]

Great analogy - she was trying to “draw to an inside straight”, and buying time. She possibly also thought that it's normal to "exaggerate" claims for investors, customers and the public, and suppress problems. It is. There is no clear line where it becomes "deceit". Most outsiders would say she crossed that line, but maybe she thought she didn't

[@davidjma7226]

But will the jury care about that? They will buy the 'little girl lost' in a world of powerful men...etc' She will walk - with a few restrictions on her activities in the future.

[@PungiFungi]

@@stephenhosking7384 psychopaths have no lines to cross.

[@chrisphillips5722]

@@emintey So true!

[@bt4582]

There are so many issues that I have with this case and this defense! The way Elizabeth Holmes does not want to take any responsibility as the CEO is one. Blaming Sunny is ludicrous since he was the finance/computer guy and she was the one that came up with the concept and supposedly had the science/engineering background. This is a company that gave scientific test results that affected people's health and lives! However, there is also the larger issue that the rich elite, professors, public etc. were so taken in based on superficialities and the perception that it must be ok if others are investing in it, instead of focusing on and researching the SCIENCE. No scientific experts were on the board and Elizabeth had like two semesters of college. We all need to be a lot smarter about who we so readily believe and trust and put on a pedestal!

[@elizabethworthington3728]

love these videos thank you!!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Glad you like them!

[@barbarapitts6618]

Do you think the prosecution will just let Elizabeth “get away” with that rape story without questioning her regarding whether it was reported, who raped her, etc? If the rape was the reason she decided to drop out of school and start a company, it should have been important enough to report. And, why oh why are they dragging this trial out so much? More than three days a week is just too much to manage?? As for what other trials I would like to see you report on, the Ghislaine trial would definitely be of interest. I love the way you cut right to the chase and explain what they are doing and why you believe they are doing it! It makes it so understandable and interesting for those of us who are not trained in the law.

[@marivipalomino6975]

On the contrary. They shouldn't dig into that because it is not relevant to the case.

[@lornarettig3215]

The reason she dropped out is because Steve Jobs dropped out and she was obsessed with him. She literally started at school for the sole purpose of dropping out like her idol.

[@jamesstaplesv]

you are so fair, as more me, she needs to be glad I am not on the jury, tears send me into guilt mode unless you can seriously prove to me she has a good reason for it.

[@sarahfisher9008]

re: Other trials - would love to see coverage of Josh Duggar's trial - it was set to start yesterday

[@jvmlucky13]

I agree!!!

[@glanyan5462]

I give the jury 5 minutes, then a guilty verdict.

[@Karly9725]

Do a series on the Ghislaine Maxwell trial!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

You got it! Watch here -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5WvlomOgpeDmKs

[@gracedelia8540]

Love your show!

[@lamo1724]

This coverage has been fantastic. Listening to the whole playlist one video after another, it sounds like the classic fable about Icarus. I'm not necessarily saying that Sunny was Daedalus; but he certainly understood that Elizabeth was flying too close to the sun despite knowing her 'wings were made of wax'. With investors like the Devos family who were happy to wait for a return on their investment, Theranos should have operated in accordance to regulation whilst developing a working Edison device. Their vision was admirable; their deception was unforgivable xxx

[@lisadellaratta495]

So bummed I missed the live!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Catch you next time!

[@antonymcnaughton3102]

Can you do a piece on the recent developments for Purdue/Sackler insolvency cases? Thanks

[@shannoncrawford8902]

You’re doing a great job thanks for the show and information. Would like to ask you to give us more information about the charges, and if she is quilty, what the charges would deliver as far as jail time punishment.

[@27gts]

that would be interesting- especially the laws at the state level- am thinking that maybe the laws are a bit different in California then say if this trial was tried in say NY- federal trials are the same wherever they are tried though-- Kyle Rittenhouse got off in Wisconsin (I think it was a miscarriage of justice) but looks like he may have a federal trial in the new year- feds have deep pockets to mount a stronger case

[@Liitebulb]

Nothing real. White collar crime doesn't incarcerate the rich. If anything she'll be in some kind of house arrest

[@susanallison183]

@@27gts Federal court, not state.

[@tiffsaver]

I'm certainly no lawyer, but it seems to me that far too much of this trial is centering on the so-called guilt of Holmes' LOVER, not HER guilt or innocence. I wish the judge would confine the entire course of this trial to determining if she committed material fraud or not, leaving all of the sexual allegations to be settled in a separate civil suit between she and him, after the larger issue of criminal fraud is resolved. As far as his personal implication in the deception, that is already scheduled for a later date. As far as her lover advising her to commit questionable activities is concerned, that was entirely her decision to make as Theranos' SEO and owner. The fact that she accepted his advice at all is the smoking gun in this case. As a fully-functioning, intelligent adult, she had the right to leave or rebuke him at any time, and she chose NOT to. In my opinion, they were "two peas in a pod," and both complicit in criminal fraud.

[@johnfilce9236]

She is NOT a victim.

[@Irena_Posner]

For a suggestion what trial to talk about next, I'd say the Danny Masterson criminal case about alleged rape. But even more interesting is the related civil case.

[@christinesomera9718]

I’d like to see the ghislaine maxwell case covered!

[@charlesritter6640]

I agree.

[@baqirhemraj7639]

Normally, as Chief Executive Officer (CEO), is responsible for the management of the operations of a company as well as setting its overall vision. The role involves a high level of responsibility, with pivotal decision-making affecting the future of a company and its employees. The Chief Executive Officer is the main driver of an organisation and is ultimately accountable to the main stakeholders/shareholders or the business. Within this role, the CEO is expected to oversee all operations including product development, logistics, and marketing. The CEO is lso be expected to develop and approve strategies for the company as well as communicate these strategies to an internal and external audience. The question for the jury is: Did Holmes discharge the duties that were expected of her?

[@plugplagiate1564]

in my opinion, it is never a mistake to take the stand. but in elizabeth case, i think she has exposed herself in a negative way. the jury will consider her to be less trustworthy, and therefor she will be convicted. and for the jury, i guess they have made up their minds, already.

[@whitewave16]

I think it was a mistake to let her take the stand.

[@ccdogpark]

I'm sure she insisted on it.

[@mattbritton6222]

Enjoying the series!

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Thanks for watching Matt!

[@eekaygames]

I grew up in the bay area and in the same county. To give people an idea of how wealthy Atherton is, here is a list of people who live/lived in Atherton. Stephen Curry Willie Mays Jerry Rice Sheryl Sandberg Shirley Temple Meg Whitman Ty Cobb Guy Kawasaki In high school, I remember going to track meets at Menlo-Atherton High School and I was in awe of how nice that school was and still is. The parking lot had so many luxury cars, I thought it was a car show. People who live there are CRAZY successful

[@katarinanicol1651]

Interesting - cheers!

[@malcolm356]

How many females are on the jury?

[@stulev2934]

This is basically a review of what you can read in the papers and online. I was hoping for more lawyerly insight. DIsappointed that there wasn't more .

[@ginamills5597]

Oops sorry I just saw ur video for that one pop up under watch next.

[@larky368]

All this time she has enjoyed being praised as a strong woman competing in a man's world. And now she walks to the courthouse every day with her Mommy holding her hand like it was her first day at kindergarden and she puts all the blame on the man for being a big meanie.

[@pete6705]

One of the things I find interesting is that Liz was lying from pretty much day 1. Shortly after she dropped out of school and started her company she did a radio interview and said that her technology was completely developed and ready to go into production. But she had no technology at all, it was just a science fiction fantasy. Someone must have taught her from an early age that the only way to start a company is to lie your ass off. Usually when people just start out in business they first try to learn the correct way of doing things, but on her very first day she didn’t even consider being honest, she was already ready to con everyone before she learned anything else. I really wonder why she was so hell bent on this path from the beginning

[@davidtran9701]

Great video! What is your take on Holmes’s defense strategy to shift blame on Balwani, and gambling that he will not take the stand in her case? I don’t think the jury will take long in their deliberations. 3 days, tops

[@matthewbenn3987]

Love these videos. I think she’ll be found guilty (and should be) and I didn’t find anything in the texts messages mentioned where Balwani explicitly demanded or coerced her into providing false information to investors

[@tazzinnc]

Defense made a big mistake putting her on the stand.

[@janfilips3244]

True dat imho

[@JohnSmith-eo5sp]

If the jurors are unanimous in a guilty verdict on all charges, then I believe they will arrive at their decision very quickly

[@joc4739]

I've really enjoyed and appreciate these summaries. While its clear she's 100% guilty, she's playing every sympathy card in the book and you never know how a jury will respond.

[@royalcandles9197]

She admitted to at least one count of fraud when stating she put Pfizer logo on letterhead - could be some other instances as a result of the logo. Her plea for sympathy is unbelievable.

[@PungiFungi]

Her ploy is to admit to some wrongdoing… squeeze some tears out and hope the jury will see she realize the errors of her ways and let her go.

[@MrArdytube]

I think her defense illustrated how duplicitous and manipulative she had been in her representations to investors

[@scasey1960]

Great update - playing the victim card with zero accountability. I’m shocked, shocked …

[@jacques6753]

Please a series on Ghislaine Maxwell's trial. Thanks

[@LawyerYouKnow]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5WvlomOgpeDmKs

[@jacques6753]

@@LawyerYouKnow Thank you for the link.

[@BlushingForeigner]

Somebody asked how many women are on the jury. I think it's fairly even but can't recall for sure. I think the female jurors will be the ones most...unmoved by her allegations of boyfriend abuse. Two things can be true - he abused her, AND she committed crimes. But trying to leverage the abuse as an excuse for her crimes is distasteful at best. It hurts women and sets back the Time's-up/anti-sexual assault movement. Most victims of abuse don't go on to commit fraud. It was more likely narcissism that did her in.

[@jazamaraz8029]

@ BlushingForeigner. I agree. If any of those women (or men) on jury have been abused and have gone on with their lives without committing crimes, I don't think that will bode well for EH.

[@PungiFungi]

@@jazamaraz8029 I was sexually molested at 4 or 5… I sure ain’t dragging this up years later to rationalize or justify some of the stupid choices I’ve made.

[@timames4405]

Please do videos on the Maxwell Trial.

[@LawyerYouKnow]

Done! Go check it out!

[@ak203]

Why do you assume there will be no rebuttal witnesses for the prosecution?

[@LawyerYouKnow]

They have hinted they will rest next week.

[@joseph2707]

I think she would have a better chance if the jurors did not have so much time off before she completed her examination. The jurors are going to be overwhelmed with bad press during that time.

[@richardvinsen2385]

Jurors are instructed to avoid stories about the case.

[@joseph2707]

@@richardvinsen2385 Obviously, that is true. However, that which should occur and that which does occur are two different things. Do you really believe the jurors are not going to use their phones to read the news or review social media over a period of five or six days without anywhere to go?

[@baqirhemraj7639]

Elizabeth Holmes might have succeeded in hoodwinking investors but now does she think she can hoodwink the juries into believing that she was being mistreated by Sunny Bharwani and he took all the major company's decisions in spite of her being a CEO of the company? Perhaps she could as juries are not capable of understanding how the company is run,, the responsibility of the CEO and board members, etc.

[@janfilips3244]

What's your thoughts are how it's goint to end for Mrs Holmes?

[@banedon8087]

My suspicion is that Elizabeth and hey lawyer(s) know that the verdict of guilty is highly likely, so they are doing damage limitation it reduce the impending sentencing, with the very faint possibility that she may actually pursuade the jury. Her defence is like a tick sheet: - She was manipulated - She was abused/raped in university - She wasn't the person in control, she in fact was controlled - She has a baby on the way. Any of this might or might not be true, but all (apart from her pregnancy) is difficult to prove and indeed the evidence seems to say otherwise. In any event, none of the above absolve her of guilt if true, but they may influence the jury and/or Judge to be more sympathetic. Personally, my belief (admittedly without all of the facts, so based on what I have heard) is that she's guilty as much as her (ex) lover and they should both go to prison. If she does then her baby will have to go into care or go to her parents/family, which is bloody horrible as the child is not to blame - Elizabeth is. She's the one who decided to get pregnant at such a time.

[@Liitebulb]

Who else rolled laughing with my tiger my master texts 😂😂😂 omg the cringe

[@ricksanchez8451]

It’s super corny.

[@sportsbadcalls334]

can you cover the DAN MARKEL MURDER case; Katherine Magbanua is being tried 2/14/2022 for the second time. Thank you

[@trailrunner925]

I think she should have stayed off the stand. If I were a juror, I'd feel like I was just another "investor" to be bamboozled. Bad move on defense part bringing past rape/abuse allegations..... sorry, we've all had bad relationships at one point or another. Curious, was the "rape" ever reported to Stanford University?

[@plugplagiate1564]

... but we all do not know, what is happening behind the scenes.

[@allyourcode]

Wow. They actually tried the battered woman defense. Are we supposed to believe that he cast a magical spell over her? That he used jedi mind tricks? That he held a (metaphorical) gun to her head? The only "gun" here is that she wanted to be in a romantic relationship with him. That is NOT a gun by any stretch of the imagination. She had her reasons for being in a relationship with him. I don't even care if there was genuine love one way or the other. He wanted her to do this or that, but she was not his puppet. She did the things that she did because she made those choices by herself. That's what it means to be an adult, a big girl. She certainly wanted to be a big girl, acted like one, and perhaps most relevant of all, her age qualifies her to be an actual adult, meaning that she owns what she does (both legally and morally) and can't just dump it on someone else. She was happy to receive the benefits of adulthood when the company was flying high; therefore, she accepted eligibility for the punishments when it came crashing down. THAT is REAL gender equality. Anyone who disagrees doesn't understand the basics of adulthood.

[@malcolm356]

According to a news report about the prosecution’s cross examination, the prosecutor asked Elizabeth if she had had another lover during her relationship with Sunny. She apparently replied, “Yes, but it was not a formal relationship”. Did you hear about this exchange?

[@PungiFungi]

So a woman under the control of her abusive sugar daddy had some on the side.

[@3catmom844]

Wonder if she will be subpoenaed to testify in Sunny's trial.

[@MikeyBe]

I have a couple of thoughts, 1/ Who keeps that many txt messages for that period of time.

[@charlesritter6640]

Text messages never completely disappear. The government can always find them no matter how long ago they were deleted. Maybe hers were not even deleted.

[@u2ooby]

When in doubt ...blame Sunny.

[@marioarias9942]

Her defense is, I'm just a girl! 🤷‍♀️

[@felicialipansky5319]

Did the prosecution discuss the “fake” room with the Edisons or QC runs of tests which were discarded, etc? I didn’t hear much talk of falsifying data, not meeting GxP requirements etc

[@felicialipansky5319]

Was the rape proven/reported or defense calling threat information not relevant to this case?

[@ddmarty]

I think it's going to take at least two weeks, and I think the defense is going to call Kerryrou (sp).

[@mrandersson2009]

She is being deceptive as always.

[@internetpolification]

I hate to say it but I think she will be found not guilty. Juries are lay people, not specialists and can be swayed by sentiment. Holmes’s defence is “none of it was me. I didn’t know, I didn’t do anything. I had a baby. I cry on the stand under friendly questioning from my own lawyer after arriving at court every single day holding my mummy’s hand and my boyfriend’s hand because I’m so weak. I’m white and from a wealthy background. It was a nasty older (brown) man manipulating and sexually abusing me after I got raped at a Stanford”. It’s all pathetic. Totally pathetic. But a jury…and only one member of the jury is necessary at that, will probably fall for it

[@davidfoster-lyons4977]

She will go down. Jury done within a day

[@LawyerYouKnow]

We shall see

[@SKYRIDGENIGERIANDWARFS]

i know that if you are in business - you are aware of what is going on and she started the business /held the stock / presented the public face - the alleged abuse is actually irrelevant

[@LichenAndMoss]

The house in Atherton was bigger than 1600 square feet.

[@dautolover]

How were they able to get communications between the attorneys and Holmes into evidence? Aren't they privileged?