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[@LawyerYouKnow]

Get 15% off OneSkin with the code LYK at www.oneskin.co #oneskinpod

[@007nadineL]

Thx.

[@arelendil7]

You can check how to pronounce her name in American English in KZbin. It could be more similar to the Italian pronunciation, but somehow it is like it is.

[@sherryimhof2037]

Seriously? Pushing a product in an ad in the comments??

[@ScarlettGraceDesigns]

@@sherryimhof2037why not? It’s his channel.

[@sherryimhof2037]

@@ScarlettGraceDesigns it’s unethical and leaves me with no respect for the person. It wasn’t enough to self gratify in his own professional business but then he has to push a product. This is why the world is where it’s at today… stuck in a cesspool of greed.

[@dianna1979]

My 15 yr old daughter went into cardiac arrest at her birthday party. We were at a pool and we called an ambulance as the lifeguards were performing CPR on her in front of her friends and my family. I watched in horror because we had no idea what happened. They transported her to the hospital and she died after they tried to resuscitate her. Blue Cross later refused to pay the ambulance bill because they said it wasn’t a medical necessity. I tried to fight it and even my husband’s employer tried to fight them since the pool was on their property. (It was a University). They NEVER backed down. The University paid it on our behalf. THIS is why there is so much anger. I don’t condone violence but we need change and we need it now in so many areas of our medical system.

[@tahsha.truffula]

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm also angry for you. BCBS should be ashamed. Absolute Nonsense.

[@16BitDungeon]

I love my Insurance. They paid for everything this past year with my wife's stroke. I also have BCBS.

[@marbleswalker630]

I am so sorry :-(

[@Enoughalready20237]

I’m so sorry you lost your child. I can’t even imagine. Then add the BS you went through…I’m made for you!

[@jeannemarie5908]

Oh my gosh .. what a traumatizing experience. I am so sorry for your loss and ensuing experience.

[@sarahb2004]

Coming from a former teacher, current counselor, what makes me so ANGRY is why we don’t treat our school shooters with this much show of force. This whole debacle has really, really made me take a look at the way this system operates and it’s so unfair it’s sickening.

[@u.synlig]

This is how you know who is important in a society.

[@sarahb2004]

@ absolutely. Don’t mess with the 1% or else…….

[@IntrepidTravellor]

Most of the effort went into identifying and capturing him which isn’t usually a problem with school shooters (who are often shot to death on site). To help address the school shooter problem, I thought there was substantial government and community effort placed into school shooters drills, on site security guards and in being able to identify “high risk” students? Senior executives and board members of most organisations don’t have any personal security. If they need to start having security the costs of goods and services will increase (to cover the cost of it) plus there will be a lot less people prepared to take senior roles (reducing the “talent pool” - potentially resulting in only power mangers being prepared to take the senior roles).

[@maryanneglines5459]

@@IntrepidTravellornpc

[@lynnb4348]

Most don't make it out alive.

[@sarahm4365]

The way the world treats the shooting murder of ONE CEO vs the mass murder of children, teachers and school staff is absolutely baffling and sickening. It is very obvious where the priorities lie.

[@lynnb4348]

@sarahm4365 most school shooters are caught on the site. Few live through it. Do you know of any who weren't caught? The ones not caught on site, that I'm aware of, were still arrested the same day. Therefore, the whole aftermath, man-hunt is different.

[@TRIGGEREDHarambe]

Well lets put in security officers near schools then. Instead violating and confiscating citizens rights. Lets have an honest conversation about solutions that don't violate innocent citizens rights. Cause we have offered solutions and everyone says having security guards is racist towards minorities somehow.

[@Chucanelli]

Thoughts and prayers for Brian’s family /s

[@Theburnedmanwalks]

Doing all of this to Luigi is the clearest demonstration about how they believe the CEOs life was worth much more than all of ours.

[@stevesilva2780]

That is as ignorant a statement as I've heard in a long time.

[@Theburnedmanwalks]

@stevesilva2780 feel free to explain yourself.

[@maryjaneshoe-fm4yr]

The authorities are reacting to stans like you. He wouldn't get this much attention if it weren't for the crazed fanbase.

[@Theburnedmanwalks]

@@maryjaneshoe-fm4yr you act as if he started a movement. As far as I know not a single one of his "fans" has done a single thing to warrant a full army of police officers, A charge for terrorism, several press conferences, a visit from the mayor, and trying to convince us that violence isn't the answer despite the fact that the actual system isn't doing anything to change what has been a clearly necessary change for years.

[@RobinSentell]

@@maryjaneshoe-fm4yr The only thing that should be relevent is the alleged actions of the accused, not the impact.

[@Katie-vy5rd]

To get denied care is so much more than just being denied funds, it's being dismissed as a person when your condition is deemed irrelevant and that your suffering is not worthy of care/help. As a nurse who believes in treating the body, mind and soul.. most of the time you're not just denying the body but the mind and soul as well and dehumaizes individuals and can destroy the psyche. I've recently lived this and has left me a bit less of the person I used to be. The insurance company can tell you; You're not ill, you're not in pain, you're not in need , there was no injury, or whatever. This can elicit an entire gammit of feelings, self doubt, dissonance, hostility, insecurity, fear... need I go on? Laws must change. Please

[@jeannemarie5908]

So true. I am a nurse of >30years. You bring up a reality that we know that not everyone is aware of. I am sorry this has happened to you. Frankly, I have decided to quasi ‘opt out’ of insurance & western medicine. Life ends, right? I don’t want to have my end of life medical issues to consume any inheritance for my children.

[@leav388]

@@jeannemarie5908 That-s how it works in America: You work your whole life to tunr over all your assets to the medical parasites in the end. You as a nurse would know.

[@belgicataveras8192]

@@jeannemarie5908 que pena de verdad , todo es injusto.

[@hxj880]

The government piling up charges on Luigi is making things worse for themselves. Making it look like the government vs. the people.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

I agree with you. Looks like different laws for the rich 🤑 What a surprise.

[@Framed4-29-22]

I believe the government should be charged as well for allowing insurance companies more and more power

[@Framed4-29-22]

The firearm and bullet theory of them being matching is no longer a good theory, more states are actually to be used as evidence. Peter I would recommend speaking 2 bunker of the Bailey another KZbinr he is a lawyer and he is a firearms expert it will open your eyes I was shocked

[@BradEnquist]

Is the name of his channel "bunker of the bailey"​ I tried that and couldn't find anything except a guy in a concrete room (basement?). @@Framed4-29-22

[@patscats2080]

I agree. From the very beginning of this, media, and the extreme announcement of this, makes me think something else is going on. People commit crime everyday but something about this feels like it was “meant” to be company vs. people, it feels political.

[@Ebony0420]

I love the way you introduce your father. You can tell it really warms his heart, to hear you speak so highly of him and his accomplishments. Give him his flowers, while he can smell them! Love it. God bless ❤️

[@ednacrabapple5392]

“Give him his flowers while he can smell them” this is beautiful and such good advice.

[@cinderella0773H]

I was thinking the same. It says so much about what a beautiful relationship these guys have and the respect within the family. Just gorgeous

[@rileyallen489]

Eliminating jurors who think health insurance sucks is like eliminating jurors who believe the earth is round. The facts are what they are. If insurance companies don't want people to think they suck, they should suck less. We all deserve a jury of our peers. My peers, your peers, and Luigi's peers all hold negative views of insurance companies. None of us should be additionally punished for believing something that's just true. I take issue with saying that Brian Thompson was just doing his job. He was rich before being a CEO. He could've retired and not done any job. He chose this job. He chose to approve an AI that auto-denies cancer patients. His choices impacted millions of people. He chose this legacy, and that's on him.

[@susy590]

What kind of mind spins a murder of an innocent man into a good thing?

[@rileyallen489]

@@susy590 There’s a lot to consider here. How do we define murder in general? If Charles Manson was guilty by only directing murder, is Brian Thompson not guilty, too? His company has killed and tortured far more people than Charles Manson. Do you feel bad that Jeffery Dahmer was put to death? What about the system? We’re supposed to bring about change by voting and engaging with politicians, but what happens when that system does nothing while conditions get worse? People are rightfully furious and our politicians have made peaceful change seem farther and farther out of reach. When change within the system becomes impossible, people turn to violence. People condone that violence. I don’t think it’s a good thing that we’re in this situation, but it was glaringly obvious that this whole thing was foreseeable and entirely preventable.

[@Chucanelli]

@susy590 If you’ve heard and read the horror stories and still don’t understand why people have no sympathy, I don’t know what to tell you. I think “spin” and “innocent” are disingenuous words to use here.

[@mindyrolston3915]

​@@Chucanellioh so you're also gung ho vigilante justice and a murder of another human being no not just a murder and assassination. People like you have no business being on any kind of jury

[@rileyallen489]

@@Chucanelli Yeah, exactly. And while 41% of young people "support" what happened, a whole lot more understand it. We could sit around splitting hairs about whether supporting is less moral than understanding, but that distracts from the issue and I'm not going to sit around telling victims they're wrong for feeling vindicated.

[@claudiajohnson2935]

I’m so sorry to hear about your mom’s diagnosis. Cancer sucks! I hope and pray your mom has a full recovery soon.

[@annieb5647]

I am struck by how easily you and your father express yourselves verbally. You two are in the perfect field to make use of this talent.

[@gooseywaldron9113]

Take a lesson from your Dad... he never says ...uuummmm. You do too much.

[@Grammichal]

@@gooseywaldron9113 Goosey 👋🏼

[@sarahbeebe7100]

I have a question about why this crime is being charged Federally and the Idaho 4 isn’t. All the reasons they claim make this a federal case apply to Brian Kohlberger as well so why isn’t he facing Federal charges as well too, times 4. The claim that they aren’t treating Luigi any different than they would if he wasn’t accused of offing a CEO of Healthcare is easily dismissed in this example alone.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Billionaires are scared of their ways & it’s politics for the rich!

[@lynnb4348]

Good point. He did cross state lines, and I assume used the internet to some degree. He didn't have a ghost gun, though, which is another federal crime. Also, if convicted, he'll likely get the death penalty, so there's nothing to gain. With Luigi, if he's only convicted of 2nd degree, he could be paroled. Therefore, there's room in terms of potential penalties on the federal side.

[@paulsmudga55]

​@@Tam-mp6gkHah it's just because of who the victim is. This is just a show of force in a bid to circle the wagons around the 1%

[@lollnr3447]

That's a very good point

[@lynnb4348]

@@Tam-mp6gk the feds aren't alleging terrorism.

[@organikpnw]

Why should Brian Thompson's life hold more importance than even a homeless person?

[@herbwitch5681]

The thing about the perp walk for me, was how weak it made the mayor, et al , look. They handed him a lot of power! 😂

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Exactly & the Mayor is a crook himself 😳😬👀

[@ebhs2202]

Luigi looked good in that perp walk

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@ yes he did! He’s a folk hero for us, “we the people”!

[@Javas_Dream]

@@bonniejosavland3227 ~ Luigi started a conversation that needed to be started. But I wouldn't call him a hero.

[@brendawheeler5377]

I hope the mayor gets found guilty on all counts for anyone that isn't aware of his prior charges he's facing, I believe he thought it would take eyes off himself. It didn't work!

[@Beetmonster]

Peter, it's possible to believe that Luigi's alleged choice to murder was wrong and he should serve life in prison, while also believing that if this murder is enough to move the needle and start the process of dismantling the corrupt monopoly of for-profit healthcare, then it was 100% worth the price. I won't grieve the loss of a corrupt CEO who was far more heinous than a family guy who was just doing his "job". I will grieve if this movement dies out and no changes come about. N*ZIs were just doing their jobs too.

[@Chucanelli]

This is exactly how I feel. Jury nullification would be cool with me, but I would accept that jail is the cost of premeditated murder, which should obviously be illegal. Luigi seems to be lucid about that possible outcome as well.

[@maluribeiro68]

Non sense! There’s nothing normal about this case! Very suspicious! It’ll budge nothing the establishment and they’ll Continue to use him as a distraction from our major losses in Ukraine, and against China. If Luigi was a true hero he’s have created a movement or a business! He has the know how and the money. This whole thing is a farce from beginning to end

[@heathersaso]

I work for a Medicaid insurance company in California. My company is not like the commercial companies at all. The member’s health is always first. I’ve worked in healthcare administration for 23 years and I’ve seen a lot. To me, for profit healthcare companies are the problem. Whether it be insurance or providers. It’s sick how much some of the hospital corp execs make for example and how they cherry pick who they see because some people are too expensive to treat. It’s all gross. That said, I don’t believe he deserved to die but I do somewhat get how people feel especially if they’ve been hurt or not properly taken care of.

[@MinkasTNR]

Agree!!!!

[@dsoule4902]

ACA put the problems on steroids Gov appointee laymen decide which treatments can be given

[@ChanceNP]

@@dsoule4902You have been given incorrect information.

[@Pray4USA]

I worked for Kaiser. It’s not For Profit. Take into consideration that Unions go on strike and artificially drive up the prices. They do it a lot! That’s just one reason. Competition sets the market price. These hospitals don’t compete. We don’t even know the cost of one pill They charge whatever they want.

[@u.synlig]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4GQknujid-oors "Dr. Glaucomflecken" satirizes UHC's hiring practices.

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

I am glad he has KFA as his defense. She was a high ranking prosecutor in New York and knows the turf.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Absolutely & back up of her husband! This Karen is #Awesome❤🎉

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

@@Tam-mp6gk I don’t know what or how they get paid, but as soon as he was arrested people donated money for his defense. Wouldn’t you use that? (By the way. I don’t like PD slander. I. They are great lawyers. The only thing that they are missing are the financial recourses for expert witnesses that, for example, the government has. Very important in a case like this. 2. It is “if you are not able to hire a lawyer”. I don’t know if he was eligible for one in the first place.)

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

@ I am sorry if that came across like this. DAs are doing an important and in most cases a very good job. No DA or PD shade in any way. I just mean that in a high profile case like this the DA has not only New York money, but also federal money for the second trial. You have a hard time going against that with the limited funds of the PD office.

[@susy590]

She also knows her client is guilty. That's part of the 'turf' that you are claiming she is very familiar with.

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

@ A defense lawyer has to be the best representative for their client they can be. No matter if guilty or not. Everyone has the right to a lawyer who defends them relentlessly. When I am taking about turf I talk about things like jury composition in New York and inner workings of the DA office that prosecutes the trial. When you work for decades in a jurisdiction, you know the local quirks.

[@annier.6976]

taking the life of somebody "who's married, with kids" ... as if their life is more important.

[@Srilaurab]

And he was estranged from wife with grown kids.

[@edrathephoenix]

I thought the same thing when it was said.

[@SighFFS.17]

I agree. I never understood how people think that.

[@annier.6976]

@@edrathephoenix Glad I'm not the only one :/ .. that was extremely upsetting

[@annier.6976]

@@SighFFS.17 It's really upsetting :/

[@raptureready5004]

So if someone is married with kids they are more valuable than single people? Seriously? Everyone has relatives. How is that any different?

[@WhyGreyButterfly]

And if Brian really cared for his children, should he not have behaved less aggressive? If not he uses his children as a kind of human shield.

[@thegreypath1777]

And, if Brian Thompson really loved his kids, why wasn’t he living with them?

[@brendacurrie358]

Terrorism charge is a HUGE mistake !!! Thanks Peter and Dad Tragos !!!🙏💫🌟💫

[@charlottehanna790]

I love that a grown man can ask his dad questions about his profession, and then dad gives respectful and useful information. Wow. You're so lucky. Love your channel. I'm sorry, I forgot the name of the Lawyer that I know! Lol.

[@jackieraulerson2005]

The actions of these corrupt healthcare insurance corporations needs to be kept in the forefront.

[@DomVonDoom]

I worked as a supervisor for a disaster restoration company and most claims adjusters revealed to me that they are trained to DENY claims. That was property claims so I don't know about the health side but i wouldn't be surprised if that's how they roll as well.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

It’s absolutely how they roll! UH denying 32% = 30 BILLION IN PROFITS on $270 billion that policyholders paid in!

[@selahr.]

This isn’t the zinger you think it is. Yes, they are taught to look for ways to deny claims… meaning to make sure the claim is real, accurate, and required to be covered by the policy (ie both parties upheld their ends and the rules of the policy). If we trained them to accept everything the insurance companies wouldn’t exist because fraud would eat them alive. Most companies actually have some of these same policies. Like stores that sell goods have requirements for when, how, and why customers can get a refund or an exchange. Or what requests, substitutions, services that a customer initiates should be approved, denied, or upcharged for. All businesses have boundaries necessary to ensure they financially can stay in business.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@ but dump got $17 million for a storm at MAL with no repairs 🙄👀

[@007nadineL]

Yeah.... we know

[@Gigi-Anai8c7l]

its obvious by trying to get a claim go thorough as a peasant paying normal person like us, go Luigi!!!!!!!

[@LaughsALot-n3v]

Thanks for the love fellas! You guys are amazing! Great to see a father and son doing a show together!!

[@divinelovebath]

The woman that killed Selena is up for parole but Luigi would potentially go away for life? Wtf is the difference??? And as for the perp walk...it made us like him MORE!!!

[@Brooke2000]

The Insurance companies are protecting themselves….they want to stay greedy and make 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 The 1% will protect themselves at any cost. I don’t believe Luigi did this and I vote to Nullify.

[@belgicataveras8192]

Muy cierto lo que dices.

[@nataliewalton8590]

At least she knew Selena. He had no connection with brian

[@sookiebyun4260]

Let’s try this, again. If Luigi is found guilty and the insurance companies continue their disgusting practices, it will be very harmful to the psychological state of Americans.

[@EKADAB214]

What a weird sick comment

[@maryanneglines5459]

I agree!

[@robinlathim8221]

Exactly!

[@robinlathim8221]

​@@EKADAB214 youre in denial or i dont know what!

[@divinelovebath]

@@EKADAB214 Why? Her comment was on point!

[@tinahorne6018]

What you haven’t really gone into is how deep and wide the problem of lack of healthcare is in this country. There are many of us who are activist who have gotten laws on the books and the laws haven’t been enacted because of the huge power of the conglomerates when you come bind the pharmaceuticals along with the healthcare industry and the insurance industry and the total corporate capture of our lawmakers we have a huge problem. I wouldn’t shoot a CEO but I completely understand the culmination by someone is bright as Luigi who understands Acutely how impossible this problem is and how the attention need to be drawn to it. It’s like he sacrificed himself. This is a societal problem this is not just a legal problem. Yes it’s landed in the courts but it is our problem!

[@mardyross2838]

Fellow activist here, and didn't work on laws but in education of consumers and specifically in the niche of being effective navigating the system. I think this is going to be a historically significant event / case. Extremely so.

[@jeannemarie5908]

@@mardyross2838 I sure hope this becomes a historical event. What concerns me is that I haven’t heard anything from the political realm.

[@iwanttogotothebeach4233]

Finally a discussion on his case which is elevated and where I actually learned something I never knew! Thank you for a quality channel!!! 🎉

[@sg3-h7u]

One of the best discussions/analysis of this case I’ve seen so far! Very informative! I hope this coverage & discussion continues as the case moves forward.

[@JenniferNeu]

As I drive past the newly built state of the art United Healthcare Building located in De Pere, Wisconsin. UHC also happens to be my companies insurer for which I have a $4000 individual deductible before they pay one cent and for which I pay $700/month for family coverage.

[@Brooke2000]

Exactly what we have. 60K a year for UHC with a 5K a year deductible.

[@JenniferNeu]

@ disgusting isn’t it! With my husband’s employer coverage we pay over $1200 per month just for health insurance which would sure go a long way towards my mortgage or college savings for my children. Instead the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. Not poor enough for free healthcare though!

[@lolz-f6c]

Kicker is, I’m sure your employer is paying towards that insurance plan too.

[@thegreypath1777]

@JenniferNeu - Get a health insurance policy through Obamacare. That is what my husband and I did when we were both changing jobs at the same time. We were assigned to Medical Mutual - they treat us great. We pay $400/month for our health insurance.

[@nataliewalton8590]

And??

[@Sina-aka-potatosupreme]

One thing I am really disappointed about that neither New York nor Federal court does live streams.

[@courtgood52588]

I heard that also & it does suck but I can guarantee ya there will be youtubers traveling there like they do other cases

[@brookdamm4567]

When I was 19, I was selected for a jury for a 19 black male who was accused by the Philadelphia police of selling drugs. They had pictures they had the lookout they had staked out the property. They had substantial evidence, but my father was a drug dealer, and everyone else lived in the city and had been brutalized by the police at one point in their life or another. The funny thing is I did not realize we notified we literally said fuck the police. 😂😂 The major conversation was just how bad the Philadelphia police has acted towards it citizens that they couldn't believe anything that they said so we let him go, but I really never put two and two together that that was jury nullification😬

[@brookdamm4567]

*nullified not notified

[@evelynsubratagosh4524]

Well done ❤

[@mtngrl5859]

You were a good example of who shouldn't be on a jury, you shouldn't be proud of your lack of service.

[@cherryorchard5600]

You did well. It was your constitutional right.

[@mtngrl5859]

@@phuongthaolee4100 If OJ had killed a black woman, the verdict would have been different. OJ had been a wealthy man for years, so his jury were not his "peers".

[@AngeliaTaylor-h4g]

Watched a documentary last night about the subway vigilante in New York. Shot 4 kids on a subway claiming he was getting robbed and jury found him not guilty. The city was in an uproar about crime on the subways and supported. They found him not guilty on attempted murder but went to prison for not having a concealed permit.

[@tongyeong]

I remember that in NYC, must have been the Bernie Getz case, he shot 4 youths on the subway, he was tried, found not guilty, then tried by a second grand jury who found him guilty of possession of a weapon, sent to prison, got out in less than a year.

[@babyclown]

Where’s the doc? I want to watch it lol

[@deltalima6703]

Bernhard Goetz.

[@dsoule4902]

Bernie Goetz. The "youth" shoved a screwdriver in his face and threatened him.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

Yeah they’re going to try & get you if they want you!

[@gamingbutter5768]

That McDonald's employee will one day wake up with a horrible back ache, and day after day the pain gets worse and worse and worse. Finally he goes to his doctor, gets the CTE and MRI, and needs a very costly surgery. Insurance calls him days before the surgery is scheduled to take place, tells him 3/4 of it is not covered. That is traumatizing. Pain changes the way you think, act, react, ect. It takes over your life and he doesn't have one anymore.❤

[@nomejc13]

I am living the situation you describe. And I am virtually homeless in chronic pain, even Medicare not authorizing.

[@Javas_Dream]

Why would you want to wish this on anyone? You could have made up a factitious character & named him Joe Blow. The McDonalds person just reported an individual that was in the news that the police had been looking for.

[@Brooke2000]

@@Javas_Dream whoever it was …I’ve never heard that the snitch got the money 💰…$60K

[@sallycinnamon5370]

@@Brooke2000Apparently they called the police, not crime stopper, so they aren’t eligible for reward.

[@Brooke2000]

@@sallycinnamon5370convenient, isn’t it 🤔

[@CS-xt9er]

Murder is wrong yet I understand, not condone, luigis non mainstream logic. That said, Using your logic, Why is beating up/killing someone who hurt your child “Good jury nullification “ but killing a person that leads the charge to deny healthcare knowing people are dying,- our children, mothers, fathers etc, is different or not ok?

[@fiv3lionz]

In a way wouldn’t jury nullification be an ultimate check and balance for the judicial system? Meaning the circumstances are such that every juror has been affected in some way by the plaintiffs party. And because of this fact it (for a lack of better terms) justifies the defendant’s actions. I feel like if jury nullification does occur, it speaks to the lack of trust the general public has on our current governmental and economic system. I’m open to hearing some opinions on this.

[@stevesilva2780]

Jury nullification amounts to mob rule. "By any means necessary" is a bad way to effectuate change. You need to rethink this attitude.

[@brendacurrie358]

The World saw the perp walk ! Karen Friedman Agnifilo is an excellent attorney and will represent him well🙏♥️

[@laurenhelms1161]

While i deeply appreciate that you see the horrific effects of the health care system and that you stand up against them i think there’s a couple of things you haven’t considered- your clients have been lucky enough to survive, they have the cognitive and financial ability to sue, they know how to go about seeking legal support, etc. so they are all starting off in a better position then a LOT of sick people in America. Murder is wrong. I’m not debating that. But if you have not personally experienced the kind of suffering (or even death) that the American public is talking about then I’m not surprised that you don’t understand how someone could get to this point.

[@chicagodoll]

This. When he said he was surprised at how stronglu so many people feel, all i could think was "its probably only surprising to people who can afford to not stress or stress much less about their own healthcare." Which isnt a knock against those people... its just that they dont have the perspective of facing crippling medical debt, rationing meds, having to decide "is it reeeaaallllllyyyyy worth going to the dr???" And thats without getting into things like the extortionate costs of medical care anyway in this country. When you dont have to worry as much, its easy to forget not just that others do, but just *how many* people do..

[@BeautyisSacred]

❤

[@thegreypath1777]

Both of these men have had good health insurance. Dad worked for the courts; he had the best. They do not understand Luigi; they do not understand The People.

[@Melthornal]

it should be illegal for a prosecutor to try to find if someone is interested in jury nullification. jury nullification is a constitutional right of the people. we are the law. prosecutors are not the law. congress is not the law. we are the law. period.

[@Melthornal]

jurors do not refuse to follow the law. the jury IS the physical manifestation of the law. they ARE the law. what they do IS the law.

[@Melthornal]

it freaks out lawyers that they don’t get to control what the law is. that is why lawyers want jury nullification to be bad. lawyers want complete control over the court room. but they do not get it. jury nullification is a constitutional right, and the right guarantees that we are not subject to lawyers. we are subjects to ourselves.

[@senseicorey9979]

"We are under no obligation to convict"

[@leav388]

@@Melthornal Yup. These dammm lawyers.

[@lindsayceara]

*jury nullification for Luigi* New York 👀🤝

[@Moonlightdance58]

Regarding jury: They are going to have a hard time finding anyone that has not had a bad experience with an insurance company I think.

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

and even if they haven't had a bad experience they could still be on his side. I'm in Europe, never had a hospital bill. I am outraged on behalf of normal people who are completely screwed, and the right and left collude with other to make sure that the system CANNOT CHANGE. I would lie my way through voir dire and then find him not guilty if i were going through jury selection.

[@annikajohansson9171]

​​@@SusanaXpeace2uI simply just don't pay my medical bills. Credit gone to hell, but I have no other options

[@MYEMMIE2004]

I can have bad experiences with an industry, but I can still remain neutral, until I hear all the evidence. I doubt I am alone!

[@MYEMMIE2004]

@@SusanaXpeace2u, so you will lie, under oath?!

[@BradEnquist]

​@@MYEMMIE2004don't politicians do it all the time?

[@TAMMYARRINGTON-q3z]

Your dad is THE GOAT

[@christineniering1233]

Peter thanking you and Papa Tragos for this great synopsis of the case to date! Bless you both for taking time out whilst on your holiday!🙏😊🌟

[@annetownsend4983]

I love how you respect your Dad ❤

[@lyndamason-genovese8404]

Did you see that a few days before the unaliving, blue cross blue shield had said they were limiting payment for general anesthesia for surgeries and then afterwards changed their mind.

[@chicagodoll]

What scares me is how they backtracked, but will likelt find a way to quietly implement it anyway. :(

[@mangotango2399]

I’ve had quite a few big issues with health insurance as I’ve had heath issues my entire life but just last week my insurance dropped coverage for the doctor I’ve been going to monthly for the last 4 years, after they stopped covering my LAST doctor that I’d been seeing for 3 years. And it’s nothing crazy or complex just my general doctor. It really sucks to have a good established relationship with a doctor & are forced to leave simply because of whatever stupid administrative changes they’re doing to save a little money. I dream of getting medical care without all the confusion and costs and coverage issues… the system is so broken.

[@silvanusforth1180]

If I was a juror I would vote not guilty.

[@WhyGreyButterfly]

No one should post this openly as this would mean you will not be allowed to be a juror. However secretly we all think the same here.

[@kathermansen6288]

No we don't ​@WhyGreyButterfly

[@WhyGreyButterfly]

@@kathermansen6288 Sorry for the "we", I know that there are people who dislike Luigi but I didn't expect them to show up in this discussion- therefore "we". All humans want to be "different" and stand out somehow. This is in itself not evil but an understandable survival instinct - for if you don't get attention from others you don't get help from others too. So I should have foreseen that someone would show up in this discussion to follow the instinct to ...welll... "stand out". By the way: Do you think you arrived at your opinion independently of media manipulation?

[@thegreypath1777]

@silvanusforth180 - Jury nullification. But, you can’t talk about it in the courtroom, OR they will kick you off the Jury! Mum is the word.

[@ginab5515]

Anyone who doesn’t understand why people support Luigi is living on another planet. Let the Class Wars begin.

[@pj3341]

I m not living on another planet. I have huge issues with insurance companies but don’t want to live in a society where “ unpopular’ folks can be gunned down on our streets. Who’s next ? Used car salesmen ? Lawyers? Plenty of folks hate them

[@susy590]

Well, here on planet earth you can make monthly payments to the hospital that provides your treatment instead of making monthly payments to an insurance company. In most cases, your monthly payment to a healthcare provider would be less than paying an insurance company. And here on planet earth, most of us, with a strong moral compass, do not support the taking of an innocent life, under any circumstances

[@mastersnake42]

“Let the Class Wars begin” Ginab5515 said from the safety of their computer chair, with no obligation to actually do anything that would put themselves at risk, and zero understanding of the potential suffering that could occur if we as a society start to be cool with murder when it happens to someone we believe to be a sufficiently bad person.

[@susy590]

@@mastersnake42 Well said, my friend, well said.

[@Chucanelli]

@susy590 Insurance companies have negotiation power. The bill is MUCH higher out of pocket for individuals.

[@meggieoneill4190]

Wow. Dad is awesome. Congratulations and thank you for input - from both of you.

[@mardyross2838]

Ditto this comment for me, please!

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

Just tuning in but totally overcharged and I think the feds charges will be dropped. That’s why they will “let the state go first”

[@MaxwellsDemon9]

The appropriateness of the charges has nothing to do with what the Feds do. The Feds charged because health insurance CEOs prevailed on their friends in the Justice Department (the odious Lisa Monaco and the odious Ben Mizner) to charge. The entire justice dept isn't bad (Jonathan Kanter is the opposite of bad), but those two, #2 and #3 under Garland, are as bad as they come.

[@ElizabethPuglisi-df2gt]

This whole perp walk fiasco was ridiculous…..they guarded Luigi like he was a serial killer……there is so many more heinous crimes happening in NY and in the subways that are a detriment to the public …but they choose to blow this particular situation-out of proportion

[@leonzlair1]

Insurance companies that ate publicly held answer to their stockholders. Stockholders want profits. This is the problem with for profit Healthcare. Our health care system has been broken for decades. I used to have problems with pre-existing condition riders when I first entered the workforce in the 80s. I no longer have that problem and I'm actually now getting 100% of my surgery paid for by my health insurance. The problem is, every time a national health care plan is brought up, people just hear increased taxes and stop listening. It's also going to take decades to make a major change.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

It’s bc Republicans use that heavily in their PR! Do you want to keep your current provider! Not knowing that 32% of ppl get denied! Larger companies probably don’t use UH! But now ppl are much more aware including all of us Rs, Ds, & Independents! We all agree things must change! Dems need to stop taking $$$ from UH & their lobbyists & the other companies like UH in the For Profit sector 😳👀🙄

[@TrishPenland723]

I love Papa Targos and Peter..they are so informative and have great love and respect for one ❤️ Cuteness too!!

[@donnacash954]

Thanks to you and your Dad! Great show and explanations. Just subscribed.

[@MR2spyder100]

All of us in the chronic Lyme community are following this and interrsted to see how the defense may bring that diagnosis in play.

[@PauloAraujo273]

I will tell you an episode that happened around 2008, my 3 year old son became very ill with a lot of fever and vomiting, it was around 1 am, I called an ambulance, they arrived very quickly, when they arrived I was desperate about my son's health. , they didn't even look to my son to know about his health, the paramedics were desperate asking me for my insurance details, they asked me a million of questions abaut insurance information the only thing that mattered to them it was the insurance and not the child's health this left me devastated to this day whenever I remember this episode I feel very sad. These people who work in the ambulance should be better trained and give priority to the patient, we can talk about payment after the patient improves his health the way my son was treated was very inhumane, it left me very devastated.

[@a_lucientes]

Why would he have given the fake ID used in NY unless he wanted to be arrested? He had his own ID on him but chose to give police the one in the name of the most wanted person in the country. Police had no probable cause up to that point.

[@bz3548]

You introduced him as your dad, told us all of his accomplishments, but forgot to tell us his name.😊🤷‍♀️ As I said before, love when he’s on your show because I can understand what he says, he never talks fast, plus he has a wealth of knowledge.😊👍👍👍

[@staciefarrow3173]

Thanks Peter for the clarification on jury nullification. I wasn’t exactly sure what it was.

[@Chemlady]

I was called in for the Dylan Roof case in Charleston, SC. Had to come in and sit in courtroom with him while the lawyers were introduced. Then went to another room where I had to fill out a LONG survey with open ended questions. I wasn’t picked to come back thank goodness.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

We let off gramps who SA’d his daughters (DA couldn’t tell us), he SA’d his grandchildren & we let him off👀😳💀 I will never serve again, or I’ll do the opposite of many of what they’re charged with (depending on the situation)!

[@AnnQlder]

I wish I could serve on that jury

[@jeanneschultz65]

A charge of terrorism is absurd.

[@ashleyd2145]

agreed. who felt terrorized? I never felt so due to this young man.

[@Beverly-d6y]

I agree! The use of terrorism is becoming too mainstream.

[@ZephyrInTheSky8008]

So if they don't find him guilty of terrorism, does that mean the murder 1 will go away?

[@MsNG82]

You’re the ONLY ONES I TRUST regarding this case!!!

[@annsmith7196]

Imagine coming into the country illegally, illegally traveling interstate, setting a U.S. citizen on fire in front of dozens of people on a federally funded transit system, leaving the scene, and not being considered a terrorist.

[@gayleboudreau9355]

A person who is married with children is more worthy than a single, childless one?

[@HerMajesty1]

What about all of the children who are without parents because of being denied payment for a service that we are required to to purchase?

[@susy590]

​@@HerMajesty1You are not required to purchase health insurance.

[@ElizabethPuglisi-df2gt]

Everyone’s life matters

[@vitalucas9452]

I think so. From my experience.

[@Chucanelli]

@susy590 That’s like holding someone at gunpoint and saying they’re not obligated to comply with your demands. You’re being intentionally obtuse.

[@TheHolliHolland]

Love when you guys are on together ☺️ Great show.

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

Well I bet it had nothing to do with Luigine’s lawyer because they got to the court house and got thrown a curve ball. She pointed to the media when she said “he is being treated differently already”

[@Lisam880]

I really enjoy watching you and your father. You can see how proud you are of your dad, as well as him you. Happy New Year!

[@veronicamcminn7775]

Good morning and Happy new year! It’s going to be a busy year for trial coverage! 2024 far exceeded my expectations! Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on these cases set for 2025 and some we don’t even know about yet!

[@martiferguson7087]

This has created major discussions with my family. My son and myself don't agree with LMs actions but my daughter and son in law do

[@hellkatt]

I never hear about the phone call he was allegedly on in one of the early surveillance photos they released. You don’t really see that photo anymore either.

[@jamirfilms]

Married with kids means his life is worth more than the lives he took by denying claims? Give me a break.

[@brendawheeler5377]

@jamirfilms his wife didn't even live with him she lived in a house down the street and I'm quite sure they stayed married so she can have the perks of his money and job! They had been separated this way for a long time, I also wish someone would address the insider trading charges that Brian Thompson was facing!

[@susy590]

​​@@brendawheeler5377 So you think a man deserves to be unalived because of insider trading? Seems a tad drastic, doesn't it?

[@Starry_Night_Sky7455]

Yeah, and it's not as if no one cares that those kids faced a loss. But seriously, their dad didn't care while he put profits over people.

[@susy590]

@@Starry_Night_Sky7455 C'mon now. Do you really think the CEO of a humongous insurance company like United Healthcare sits in his office all day personally denying claims? He has hundreds, if not thousands, of employees who do all the grunt work. And most of the claims are approved or denied via computer generated algorithms. He did not deserve to die at the hands of some spoiled rich kid whose mind snapped. No one deserves to die like that.

[@nerdybucky]

His 2 sons had been estranged from their father for a long time and were living with their mother in separate houses for many years. Thompson was an alcoholic who was arrested multiple times for drunk driving-look up his mugshots on Google.

[@maryerichardson8302]

Don’t compare Luigi to Bundy! There is NO comparison.

[@Yellow.Surgeonfish]

This is not about how hansome Luigi is, that's ridiculous. This is about justice. And if Luigi is guilty of murder, so are the insurance companies and so is Brian Thompson, even if he didn't kill nobody with a gun. It's still murder when someone dies because you refused to help.

[@ElizabethPuglisi-df2gt]

I’m from New York and Alvin Bragg is the pitts!!!He does not deserve to be a Prosecutor or any kind of lawyer……FYI I am restraining myself while speaking of Mr Bragg😤😤😤😤😤😤

[@bz3548]

I love when your dad is on your show. Admire his knowledge and how he is so calm when he talks. Never hyper ( like you😂) . Great, great person to listen to.

[@ZephyrInTheSky8008]

I learned about jury nullification from Darrell Brooks, unfortunately. lol

[@mandimoo4073]

I love the father son relationship- warms my heart when I see you togetherness’s. ❤

[@iknownothing-49]

Stalking across state lines. Some domestic partners travel across state lines to do harm. Is that charged as terrorism?

[@MelissaPlessinger]

What a beautiful relationship the two of you have. It's a blessing. Happy New Year.

[@jeanneschultz65]

That prison is horrendous.

[@selenameans4281]

Okay I have heard about Quince and told my husband about it but love that it has LYK’s stamp of approval! Will try it out now

[@saross48]

50 Years? Did he graduate law school when he was 10? He definitely doesn't look like that is even possible! Excellent genes!

[@lunalady1821]

Thank you Peter, for your deep dive and broader understanding.

[@nancycorreia1517]

Good morning from San Jose CA! Happy New Year's 🎉

[@debbieblair3329]

Great info! Thank you Peter and George!

[@meggieoneill4190]

What responsibility does Health care take for being the actual reason for all the deaths they cause? Or is that ok?

[@fordfrances1005]

Why haven’t there been charges against the healthcare company? There have cases over the years and numerous movies/documentaries about how bad health insurance is. People are acting like Luigi was a hero. He committed murder!

[@shroomhivemind]

@@fordfrances1005probably because it’s hard to find a lawyer to represent them against healthcare insurance companies?? Anyone can sue for anything… suing multimillion $ companies is not easy to get a win. They have more $ & better lawyers.

[@mrs.jessicafletcher8770]

Right! Insurance gets to just blantently ignore doctors and say no to treatments, surgeries, meds, and make people suffer and die, all the while the people are even paying the insurance company, that isn't even helping them at all!!

[@acb1057]

Love your channel and love when your Dad joins in 😊

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

I believe the money issue he had was they said “money of a different currency” and he lashed out was because they were not being candid with the court and said different currency to make the judge believe he was a flight risk but it was the Monopoly money they found

[@tongyeong]

the Monopoly money was found in the grey pack in Central Park, days later. When luigi was found at McDonald’s in Altoona, then taken in, cops said that 8000, and 2000 in foreign currency was found in the backpack, which Luigi said were not his. Are you sure they didn’t say foreign currency, I’ll have to check. I don’t think the color of his backpack was mentioned, the shooter had the grey one, (later found in Central Park), Luigi had the black one… I think backpacks and people were switched so shooter could get away, leaving Luigi to take the blame, question is how involved was he if he wasn’t the shooter?

[@laurie6332]

@@tongyeonginteresting. I noticed the 2 backpacks too. I thought it was me and my brain playing games on me.

[@obsessedwiththetruth7016]

@@tongyeong interesting perspective, I thought they found the backpack with the Monopoly money within a short period of time after the shooting and said in the arraignment hearing that he had been in possession of foreign currency or something which caused him to lash out because as cops do they manipulate the truth to suit themselves. I don’t think it’s out of the realms of possibility that he had help and that help met him at the bus terminal as they don’t know where he went after that. Interesting hypothesis about not being him and switching out. So interesting. I respect your perspective and ability to look at things objectively.

[@emilyg2451]

Anyone who is against Luigi, i would love to hear your suggestion on what to do. Lobbyists won't allow the laws to change. Whistleblowers are turning up dead. As a law abiding citizen, what's my next move? I'm 100% backing Luigi until someone can find a better solution.

[@lyndamason-genovese8404]

Why such slow perp walks ? The one after the helicopter, armed police, numerous police, the crooked mayor, and the perp walk at the court, all excruciatingly long..The only time they rushed him is when bringing him to the jail and him yelling out something to the media.

[@ElizabethPuglisi-df2gt]

This was so over the top 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@Griffinand3]

Great show! Happy New Year!

[@sallycinnamon5370]

I think it is a bad look for the government to treat this as more than a disgruntled person attacking a person they are disgruntled with. If purposefully killing someone you have a disagreement with doesn’t get you to first degree there then this shouldn’t either. But the fact that they are treating him like they would a state actor is very telling about the closeness of politics and the health industry.

[@Sleepingsparklegirl]

They need to find jurors who are strictly going to go based on law and are really into rules.

[@ashleyd2145]

just realized the other day that ny new employer uses united, which has the highest claim denial rate of anything ever. so, thats ultimate disappointment.

[@melp8175]

Great podcast! Enjoy your vacay 🎉🎉 dad is great !

[@robinlathim8221]

The support for Luigis alleged actions should make the government look into the real problem. And that is that insurance companies keep people from continuing to live through denials, defenses, and depsitions. And whether anyone likes it, agrees with it, etc., or not, depriving someone of life saving measures is equal to murder in the majority of Americans minds. And its because noone listens to our complaints, our frustrations of our demonstrations, and the legislature continues to allow these companies to basically commit corporate murder, and they continue to look the other way. Plain and simple. They shouldnt be making an example of LM, they should be making an example of these cold, greedy and disgusting insurance companies. I mean its simple, so and so's life ended because of these insurance companies tactics, while people like Brian whatever his name is get multi- million dollar salaries and raises for basically killing Americans. Period end of story! Personally i dont understand why everyones so shocked that Americans have had enough a very long time ago! Luigi speaks for the majority of us like it or not, things in this country are NOT ok! Wake up people! Thanks Peter and Papa Tragos for covering this case. ❤

[@fivenine2]

Looking at you in your beanie in the covershot, i saw your dad and thought you were Mangione 🤣🤣

[@fredpayne7581]

Love to see Papa George

[@WhyGreyButterfly]

The only legal question that realy counts is: was this justified by the golden rule or not. And the golden rule can justify the killing of a bully if that bully is a) lethaly dangerous to many people and b) there is no likely way to stop him IN TIME (before more other people die) differently. Due to corruption and due to the length this bully was allowed to kill and torture undistrurbed it is is obvious that there was no other choice. By asking "do you think murder is ok" the media is already playing a language trick on you. "Murder" is any killing that can not be justified by the golden rule. The question should have been "is killing always wrong"?

[@noeleen5250]

I just spent 2 weeks fighting an insurance company while my husband fought for his life, it was obscene how they treated us.....if I was on Luigi's jury, I am seriously leaning towards giving him the freedom of the City, I mean Diddy got it😂

[@noeleen5250]

I was denied cover because they said I didn't disclose pre existing conditions so I asked for a copy of the call where I took out the insurance. Guess what was on it. 30 minutes and 42 seconds of me describing in great detail my husbands medical condition and the medication he took. NEVER EVER TRUST THEM

[@WaiWill]

The way yourself, husband and family were treated is appalling, however, is vigilantism and murder morally justified for the way insurance companies act? Shouldn't we be upset and demand action from the state rep's and federal rep's for not holding the insurance companies accountable for their conduct? Being cool with murder is a slippery slope, and allowing people like Luigi to be free because you happen to agree with his violent ideology is obscene.

[@al19809]

Oh, by the way what happened to the e bike?

[@al19809]

There is so much evidence that is going to be challenged

[@al19809]

Luigi Mangione is not the same person who did the shooting. The pics don't resemble him and the timeline is off. There is so many inconsistencies with the evidence.. It's crazy! Are people blind?