LCC 27 vs POL Gas Fitting - What's the difference?

[@usernamemaxleclerc3014]

Thanks, mate. Good video. I didn't realise there was a change in fitting. I thought I was going mad.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad I could clear it up for you.

[@111alteclansing]

This is the most informative and to-the-point video on KZbin. Thankyou mate! You saved me a lot of worry.

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 👍

[@DEPLORABLEOZ]

So glad to hear it still has the internal thread on new bottles.

[@AndrewTomes-xo4ug]

Great clear explanation. Went to a hardware shop today to swap a gas bottle and they told me I could only use a bottle with a POL fitting. Now all makes sense and I dont have to worry about changing house fittings. Thanks

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped

[@Xeno_G23]

Thank you. This has help me understand my new appliance couldn't connect to my old pol gas cylinder, I was total confused; thinking I had bought a gas stove with a weird connector.. Cheers Andrew.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped

[@WAYNEGREGORY-o9m]

Well said... You saved me time and negated confusion.

[@FormanddesignAu]

I’m glad it helped

[@suga76chale]

Wonderful - Very helpful Thank you !!!🙌 You saved us a second trip to Bunnings. We'd bought a new hose for our old portable gas stove but didn't realise it was only LCC bottle compatible! 😅Thanks to your video we only need to make a trip for 'swap and go'. 😊 Lucky we can still use our POL gas bottles for outdoor bbque.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad to have helped!

[@heikkimalmberg3796]

Thanks for the simple straight-forward explanation

[@FormanddesignAu]

You are welcome. Glad it was helpful

[@tommoss2005]

Thanks. Very helpful and informative. I bought a gas bottle gauge from Bunnings today, not realising it had the LCC27 connection. It was only when I checked on line that I learned about the change from POL to LCC in 2021 and found myself suddenly pannicking, thinking that if I changed out my Swap and Go bottle it wouldn't be compatible with my BBQ, Caravan, etc. Reasuring to know that I can still connect both types.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped

[@zenonsplawinski9436]

The LCC Type 27 is basically the same as the old US QCC fitting. This was superseded some time ago by the OPD fitting. The OPD fitting has a triangular valve handle and an overfill protection mechanism inside the cylinder. The Australian LPG industry missed an opportunity to eliminate the problem of overfilling.

[@andrewrose9707]

Very clear video thanks mate. Only found out about LLC-27 today when I assembled our new external portable gas heater. We had also grabbed a new gas bottle for it from the regular swap and go area. Surprise, surprise it didn't fit! Hopefully we can swap the bottle for the LLC-27. The heater and bottle was actually bought a couple of weeks ago

[@FormanddesignAu]

You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped

[@alisterwood8440]

Thanks for making this video! I wasn’t sure whether my old connection would work but you answered that straight away! 👍

[@FormanddesignAu]

You’re welcome. I’m glad it helped

[@CountryMusicSavedMe]

I recently purchased an LPG pizza oven fitted with the LCC27 attachment, knowing that all of my gas cylinders are POL, I asked the salesperson if they had adapters and his response was that it was illegal for retailers to sell them. Once I was home a search revealed that the only place to buy the adapters was via EBay. The problem is, if you were to use one of these adapters, you could be potentially creating a gas leak scenario. When you are tightening the LCC27 knob clockwise (right hand thread), you could at the same time be loosening the POL side of the adapter (left hand thread) and therefore breaking the seal on the POL side.

[@jozlod]

Did a swap and go recently for my POL fitting, got the LCC without realising, and the POL fitting doesn't actually depress the safety valve in the LCC-27 connector. There is a difference on the end, and I tried putting it in tighter, but still no go, managed to get it to work with a different POL connector, but seems they aren't all exactly the same.

[@FormanddesignAu]

There are some discrepancies with older POL fittings. Also the regulated useful life of a regulator/fitting assembly is ten years. That goes for gas bottles as well since they have to be re-certified every ten years and stamped as such. That's why it's good to use a swap system. In terms of your old POL fitting, my recommendation is to go to a hardware store and buy a replacement hose/regulator/ fitting, like the one I showed in the video and replace it.

[@stewartstaughton4824]

Exactly pol won't depress safety valve.

[@parqld]

Great and informative to the point video. I have both and did not realise LCC27 fits both. Swapping my second bottle over (green) when it runs out.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@thedronedownunder3919]

Excellent explanation of the changes. Thank you for posting.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Thanks

[@shtuwang]

great explanation. unfortunately my POL fitting will not fit my LCC27 cylinder. i reckon someone has borked the thread. anyway, trip to bunnings for some new gas lines.

[@FormanddesignAu]

There are some discrepancies with older POL fittings. Also the regulated useful life of a regulator/fitting assembly is ten years. That goes for gas bottles as well since they have to be re-certified every ten years and stamped as such. That's why it's good to use a swap system. In terms of your old POL fitting, my recommendation is to go to a hardware store and buy a replacement hose/regulator/ fitting, like the one I showed in the video and replace it.

[@HeerShahzaib]

I thought i need to change my regulator.Thankyou for saving my time

[@FormanddesignAu]

You're welcome. Thanks for your comment

[@PHiLYOHARA]

Thanks

[@FormanddesignAu]

Thank you

[@mikewalles8605]

Great video mate, thanks for clearing that up in a few minutes, much appreciated!

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 👍

[@axelknutt5065]

That’s all very well and good except … I have a POL cylinder, exchanged it at Bunnings back in May. Still has heaps of gas in it. But the hose & reg on my BBQ was perished and the O-ring was pretty squished, so I thought I would just buy a replacement. But POL hose and regs are not available anywhere. I didn’t want to get an LCC27 type because my cylinder is still nearly full. Fortunately I found one on Amazon. Then I bought a Matador Rapid Searer (brilliant machine, cooks a steak in 2.5 mins), but of course it comes with an LCC connector that doesn’t fit my POL cylinder. aaahh! At this stage I was about ready to stick my head in the oven, but didn’t have the right connector.

[@o0FranklySpeaking0o]

Great video, cleared up questions i had to WTF was going on when replacing a bottle today

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped

[@brettwatson-will3388]

Cheers bro. Didn't know this. I will keep an eye out next time I swap out a gas bottle.

[@FormanddesignAu]

You're welcome, good luck with the swap!

[@yomogo]

Well done. Short & sweet, appreciated.

[@PittwaterMowingAustralia]

Thanks for the info on the lpg gas fittings Great clear explanation

[@FormanddesignAu]

You’re welcome

[@zenonsplawinski9436]

LCC Type 27 connections introduced in Australia to increase safety. The appliance fittings have a number of safety features.

[@lancer1993]

A year ago i needed a new line for the BBQ and didn't know about these new fittings, ended up having to get a new swap and go bottle with the new fitting. Will probably get the house lines checked soon and swapped over.

[@FormanddesignAu]

That’s a good idea, it’s worth it

[@pushagainstthezeitgeist4968]

Great video, clearly explained. Thank you for the update.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad you found it helpful!

[@spencerrodgers]

Here state side this switch happend for us quite some time ago before I was born so at least 2 decades ago but for us POL is still used for bulk tanks connected to the first stage regulator or 100lb propane tanks only come with a POL connection as they are mainly used for residential heating applications or food trucks

[@101bennyc]

That the accident of that kid blowing up the rental tuck is just horrific. I’m glad this is coming in. Also good they selected a reverse compatible design.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Yes, that was a tragedy but it highlighted the need for improved safety standards.

[@jaybles97]

Great explanation almost had to take out a return policy refund, now I’m stress free knowing Australia has now adapted to an American gas fitting. Now in search for an LCC 27 fitting, also definitely a lot more safer knowing that gas won’t leak if knocked. When will we adopt the same standard fitting for diving tanks where if knocked then gas pressure can not release.

[@StevenYoung-j5m]

I just found out about this chage recently whilst talking to my gasfitter. I don't have a problem with the change, but would be interested to know if there is a safetey issue that I came across years ago whilst changing out a forklift bottle. The fork gas bottle has that same feature of not allowing gas out of the cylinder until thje fiting is attached. However, in the incident I mentioned, I once changed out a cylinder, not realising that the tap had been left openAs a consequence, I got a gas burn on my hand when I inserted the fitting and straight away the gas came out before having a chance to screw in the fitting! After that, I made it a habit to check the tap prior to fitting the hose, but I have so far not seen any comments about this happeningI would be interseted to know if it can still happen with these new fittings, as currently I don't have one ot try out.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Firstly, you make a good comment that you should always check that a valve is properly closed before attaching or removing a fitting. Secondly, it sounds like both the forklift LPG bottle and the propane bottle (in the video) use a similar kind of safety/check valve. However removing our attaching a fitting to the bottle when the valve is open will always create some kind of pressure blow back even if only momentary. The tightening nut on the propane bottles have a shroud that should give some protection from the gas blow back when removing the fitting when the valve is open but the bigger problem could be the tightening nut flying out of your hands from the back pressure. I haven’t tested this and I really don’t intend to try it. The best and safest way to handle these fittings is to always double check that the valve is closed when attaching or removing a fitting.

[@Stevegrande1]

Very informative. I just got a new outdoor heater with the new connection and I thought what the hell is going on here lol. Just solved my problem. Thankyou

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped

[@FawadBilgrami]

Thanks for the video. I was wondering if I needed the new pipe or not.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad I could help

[@kasavubu]

Excellent information and has now sorted my issues. Cheers.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped!

[@gearheadgregwi]

Cool!! I've got an old tank top heater. Still using old tank. Didn't realize POL male connections are backwards compatible. In winter Wisconsin, propane heaters are a must for shop

[@FormanddesignAu]

Just check your local gas fitting regulations. This information is specific to the Australian LCC27 fitting not the US QCC fitting. It might be similar but I honestly don’t know. Thanks for your comment anyway

[@zenonsplawinski9436]

@@FormanddesignAuThe US has transitioned to the externally similar OPD fittings. It is basically the same as the QCC/LCC27 but has a triangular valve handle and an internal overfill cutoff float to prevent overfilling. All of the QCC connectors I’ve seen so far from US manufacturers have retained the internal POL thread for backwards compatibility, so it seems likely that they’ve got backwards compatibility built in too.

[@tanjowil9743]

Thankyou for this, I now feel confident to handle this

[@FormanddesignAu]

I’m glad it helped

[@mcdn88]

Great video mate 👍🏻 answered everything i wanted to know

[@FormanddesignAu]

Cheers, happy to help! 👍

[@colinweir5807]

Thank you for your info. Fast forward to Set 2023 and maybe less than 10 years. There is push to eliminate gas usage all together.

[@carolynem7361]

@@colinweir5807 so will it be back to the bush BBQ, chop your wood etc. 🤔 I love my portable gas bbq 😪

[@jackreacher7183]

Thanks for the clear information about the types..

[@FormanddesignAu]

I'm glad it was helpful

[@maaaa123456]

Cheers Andrew, thanks mate for clearing things up !

[@FormanddesignAu]

Happy to help

[@joedyeranch1]

Don't know about how it is over there but, here in the States on the new style, when the rubber ring in the push valve wears out you have to replace the whole valve meaning the new style valve is not serviceable. Might look into it. I still like the old style better.

[@syncopationcreation]

Great video - thanks! If you need to retro-fit a new hose to an older BBQ (like the host at the end of your video) do you need to use gas-tape on the thread or are they pretty much standard screw off the BBQ body thread and screw on the new one with a spanner?

[@FormanddesignAu]

Check the instructions on the pack and follow those. Make sure that the connection does not leak by using some soapy water over the fitting before igniting the appliance. If unsure, get a plumber to do it for you.

[@harleysoars9498]

Thank you for you for detailed explanation! Many thanks

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it was helpful.

[@starhopper457]

Honestly, I prefer the POL fitting. I feel they are more secure and for me have less leaks around the RV. I know the other ones are only supposed be done hand tight but sometimes to seal them tight, I've had to use channel locks, which I don't like to do.

[@minxythemerciless]

The POL connector has a nitrile rubber seal on the tip. I can't see any form of seal on the LCC27. How does the LCC27 regulator seal to an LCC valve? And how does the POL regulator seal to the LCC27 valve? Edit to add: The original POL connector did not have a seal and used metal on metal but quite quickly manufacturers found it was prone to leak so they added a variety of rubber seals; settling on the bullnose and oring variety. Will Australia need to go through the same discovery process?

[@jamie-dd9pt]

What about the 2 burner they come with a black hose and that's it

[@FormanddesignAu]

I'll duplicate the response to your previous comment here. "Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps."

[@andrewlawrance3751]

Marvelous Andrew thanks for the content well.done.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@shankarannamalai3328]

Very good explanation and demo. Thanks

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad you liked it

[@AK-bi7vq]

Thanks for detailed explanation. What’s the option with old floor bayonet inlet? Should it be changed by a licensed plumber or I can change it myself?

[@FormanddesignAu]

That’s a good question. It’s not compatible. DO NOT TOUCH IT. The bayonet fitting is for natural gas. Gas bottles are filled with propane. The gases are different as are the delivery pressures. They have different regulators and different burners. Note this relates to Australia only. Always use a licensed gas fitter to change or adapt gas fittings wherever you are in the world. Seek their advice in the first instance

[@kuldipsingh366]

Thank you Andrew, that helped!

[@FormanddesignAu]

You are welcome 👍

[@mehdiasgharzadeh5162]

thanks mate, just heard it has changed to lcc27 😁, thanks for sharing

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 👍

[@scb822]

How can you blow out dust on the LCC27 bottles?

[@shubbz87]

Thanks I need a new bottle for my new furnace 😭

[@johnvarricchio6856]

Thanks a million mate You have explained that brilliantly 🏆🏆

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 👍

[@scottjkern]

I wanna get rid of the counter clock wise turn on the tank to tighten it. I’d rather have the other end with the big plastic so I can hook it up clockwise and un loosen it counterclockwise like normal on anything else then I don’t have to bring a wrench. Is that possible for cutting the hose and putting a different one on?

[@FormanddesignAu]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The new LCC27 fitting is a clock-wise fitting (for tightening). If you have an old POL fitting, then simply go to a hardware store and purchase a new hose which will come complete with a regulator and the new LCC27 fitting attached. Then simply replace the old hose, by unscrewing it, with the new hose/regular/LCC27 fitting. I hope that answers your question.

[@scottjkern]

@ I went to a hardware store and they actually had it for once every other place in this small town never had crap. I bought the adapter and it also has a regulator on top to let you know if you’re full or lower or medium wish I could send photos on here.

[@scottjkern]

@ so my 10 foot hose is a pol end to it. So I got the adapter that has the threads inside that you turn counterclockwise to tighten it and on the other side it has the big one that you just put over the top on the tank and that goes clockwise like normal.

[@FormanddesignAu]

I think I understand what you are trying to achieve. I have seen on internet searches the type of product that you have purchased. If I understand this correctly, what you have purchased is an adaptor that converts a POL bottle to a LCC27 fitting. Just for the sake of explanation, I am a Professional Mechanical Engineer and I designed many pressure vessels and their associated fittings. I also managed design and manufacturing operations that made cryogenic road tankers and pressure vessels. I have some experience in this and I have seen many accidents and heard of many more from gerry-rigged appliances as well as accidents happening that have caused redesigns of products. The problem with the type of adaptor that you are using is this, the two threads work against each other as you have pointed out. So when you install one, let's say the POL fitting which has a CCW thread, every time that you tighten the LLC27 fitting (which is a CW thread), you risk loosening the POL fitting. That's because to loosen the POL fitting you wind it CW. You might say that you tighten it more than enough so that it won't loosen, to which I would say, that's an accident waiting to happen. The adaptors have been banned in several states already due to severe burns occurring from adaptors that have come loose. Given enough time, these adaptors will be illegal all over the country. There have been a few comments from people who seem reluctant to just upgrade their equipment. I'm not sure I understand why. In stead of spending money on adaptors, isn't it just easier to swap a bottle. The swap system doesn't care if it's not their bottle. They don't care if you go and fill the bottle through a manual fill station later when it's empty. Also, their bottles are certified, checked and stamped. Bottles have to be re-certified every ten years. Also the considered useful life of a hose and regulator is also ten years. New hoses with regulators are also a cheap alternative. My recommendation is to, throw away your adaptor and upgrade your gas bottle to the new LCC27 fitting either by purchasing a new one or by swapping it out. The LCC27 fitting will accept both POL and LCC27 fittings on your appliance.

[@scottjkern]

@ like I told you before I’m not allowed to send pictures on here. They don’t let you if you would look at a picture I have you would understand. When I hook up my Mr. heater, I like to have a ACME hook up with a huge plastic handle that you turn on clockwise onto your tank. With the POL you have to turn it counterclockwise to your propane tank. All I did was buy an adapter that the POL screws right into the adapter and that will personally stay there nonstop. I will not take it out. The other part is the ACME. I told you before give me your email please

[@crouchingwombathiddenquoll5641]

That explains it well. Thank you.

[@avargogroove4431]

POL fitting doesn't depress the internal safety valve in the LCC fitting , Screws in but no gas

[@FormanddesignAu]

If that is the case then either your POL fitting or the LCC27 fitting is faulty. Try your POL fitting with another LCC27 fitting. If that doesn’t work then mostly likely your POL fitting is the problem. If it does work then it was the LCC27 that was faulty. Make sure that it is actually an LCC27 fitting made for Australian use. Other fittings from other countries are similar but not the same. Also there are some discrepancies with older POL fittings. Also the regulated useful life of a regulator/fitting assembly is ten years. That goes for gas bottles as well since they have to be re-certified every ten years and stamped as such. That's why it's good to use a swap system. In terms of your old POL fitting, my recommendation is to go to a hardware store and buy a replacement hose/regulator/ fitting, like the one I showed in the video and replace it.

[@KneelB4NoMan]

I just picked up a new POL fitting for my tank and for some reason I can’t get it to release any gas using this new fitting. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@FormanddesignAu]

There are some discrepancies with older POL fittings. Also the regulated useful life of a regulator/fitting assembly is ten years. That goes for gas bottles as well since they have to be re-certified every ten years and stamped as such. That's why it's good to use a swap system. In terms of your old POL fitting, my recommendation is to go to a hardware store and buy a replacement hose/regulator/ fitting, like the one I showed in the video and replace it.

[@anttiroppola4414]

Another safety feature is that in the event of a fire, the plastic LCC fitting can melt and therefore allow the auto shut off in the bottle to trip.

[@tysontyson1244]

Thank you for my propane education.

[@christopherbraddy2650]

Great video. Question... do you know if the LCC-27 is the same as the US QCC-1 fitting? They look the same... however I've seen there are different POL standards around the world!

[@FormanddesignAu]

I really don’t know. I was only commenting on the Australian situation. I believe that the Australian fittings are unique to Australia

[@jaybles97]

Thread size might differ but it is the same concept as American qcc1 gas cylinder fittings.

[@rodbender7946]

No there is a small difference in the shape of the brass cone so the AU version was unique

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

thank you for your excellent explanation.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@S1000RR3]

Great video mate!

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad you found it helpful.

[@dragan3290]

Thanks for the info 👍. I thought my son got the wrong bottle for my weber Q? Cheers 👍

[@SpitfireExtra]

Hello and thanks! I see UK, Aus and also here in Sweden we have LH 5/8 POL connectors. UK and Sweden are not the same. How about Aus POL. Is it same as UK or Sweden?

[@FormanddesignAu]

Thanks for your comment. I have to admit that I really don’t know the answer to your question.

[@michael9616]

How do you fit a pressure guage to the new fitting

[@FormanddesignAu]

I mean this with all sincerity, but if you are asking that question I would strongly recommend that you seek the assistance of a gas fitter/plumber to help you. If you are not familiar with how to change a gas fitting then you might create a situation where gas could leak from the fittings and cause a fire. Incorrectly installed gas fittings account for a large proportion of injuries from gas operated appliances. FYI gas hoses with regulator, pressure gauge, and LCC27 fittings are sold as a complete unit from camping stores and hardware stores

[@ecopennylife]

Thanks for the update 😊

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 😊

[@voltare2amstereo]

Common for house gas users to use 9kg in place of 45kg , this would make changing over easier, if the lcc fitting is allowed on fixed installations.

[@paulalvarezdelcastillo4117]

Thanks for the very thorough explanation!

[@FormanddesignAu]

You’re welcome

[@ifyoucantjointhem]

First time I've see one of these things, snd it's 2 years old 😱

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

how about the small gas bottle the 3 kilo? will they make one with LCC 27?

[@FormanddesignAu]

No. As far as I know LCC27 fittings will not be applied to the smaller camping style gas bottles. LCC27 fittings will be progressively fitted to the “leisure series” bottles such as the 4-5kg and 9 kg bottles like those typically available through gas bottle swap outlets. This only applies to Australia.

[@ParadigmImagesVideoPhotography]

@@FormanddesignAu thanks for that, I do have 2 x 9kilos and one 3 kilos, I meanly use the 3 Kilo one till it runs out , then change to 9 kilos till I fill the 3 kilos. They very new, will keep for now.

[@decossar]

Do you need a licensed gas fitter to change the hoses over? I i know it's easy but i don't want to give the insurance co. a way out

[@FormanddesignAu]

If in doubt, get a licensed gas fitter. It’s always good practice to check the integrity of any gas fitting, new or old, by using soapy water around the fitting. If it bubbles then the fitting is not safe. The fitting needs to be under internal pressure (ie gas flowing through) for the test to be valid.

[@kiemdochoi]

Thanks Andrew

[@FormanddesignAu]

You’re welcome

[@helendorning4450]

Excellent instruction: thank you!!

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ericdodd681]

Just be careful of the gas flow on the new fittings as they won’t work on larger BBQ’s the hole in the end of the hose where it screws into the bottle is a lot smaller and won’t allow high volumes of gas to flow out.

[@FormanddesignAu]

The new fitting only applies to the 4-5kg and the 9kg bottles. They are not being implemented on the larger 45kg bottles or the smaller bbq bottles. The stated flow rates and pressures for the POL and the LCC27 fittings are similar.They both have similar pressure ratings between 2.75 and 2.8kPa. The flow rates are 1.5kg/h (LCC27) and 2.0kg/h (POL). These are the stated pressure ratings at the regulator. I would recommend checking the regulator ratings because they might differ slightly between brands. The ratings will be clearly stated on the regulator. It's the regulator that will determine the flow rates and pressures, but it is true that the nozzle inside diameter on a LCC27 fitting is smaller than a POL. This is a correction from an earlier version of this response where I stated that they were essentially the same.

[@harveyhutchinson8266]

You can get an adapter for your gas bottle so you can use either fitting

[@FormanddesignAu]

Following your comment, I have searched online for either POL to LCC27 adaptors or LCC27 to POL adaptors and found none to suit LCC27 fittings in Australia. There are plenty of QCC to POL adaptors for the US market (available online in Australia through foreign sellers), but these are not for the Australian market, so my comments are restricted to the Australian specification for the LCC27 fitting. A gas bottle fitted with an LCC27 valve assembly accepts both LCC27 and POL fittings, so no adaptor required there! If you have a bottle with a POL valve assembly the easiest, simplest and safest way to allow it to accept a LCC27 fitting is to go to a petrol station or hardware store and swap your old POL bottle for a bottle with a LCC27 valve assembly. If you were to attach a fitting to an old POL bottle to accept a LCC27 fitting then you are introducing another possible source for leaks. Also this suggests that your bottle is older and it would be wise to change it over for a newer bottle that accepts both fittings. The swap system does not care if the bottle is yours or belonging to some other swap brand. They are happy to have your business. You are not talking about a lot of extra money to swap the bottle over either. Additionally, if you want to keep the swapped bottle and then get it refilled instead of swapping it then you can do that. My recommendation is to go with the safer option and not use inline adaptors when there is a simpler and safer system available.

[@flying_Color]

Thank you for solving all my questions of BBQ in AU

[@FormanddesignAu]

Happy to help!

[@gailcohen4538]

Thank you for your very clear response.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it was helpful!

[@stewartstaughton4824]

The pol fitting won't push the safety valve to release gas from new cylinders

[@FormanddesignAu]

Unfortunately the problem lies with the POL fitting not the LCC27 fitting (I’m assuming that you are Australian and referring to the LCC27 fitting. If not then ignore this video). The problem with the POL fittings is that not all the manufacturers are sticking to the design and there are variances. There is no variance with the LCC27 fittings

[@theoriginalEmuman]

Thanks. Buying a new bbq and finding this out was a real pain. Hopefully othrrs ma be saved some of it.

[@AbdulkadirMairakuma]

Tnx u saved my gas from escaping

[@petrochemicals4u]

Can you get an adapter in case you're camping and forget ?

[@FormanddesignAu]

Instead of looking for and purchasing an adaptor, consider either buying or swapping your bottle. The new valve assemblies accommodate both POL and LCC27 fittings

[@axelknutt5065]

Hi, yes you can get adaptors. I needed to go from the new LCC on the BBQ hose to an old POL cylinder. I got it off Amazon, about $16 I think.

[@mickromer6199]

Used to run on the theory of if it's flammable it LH thread.. RH thread non flammable.. I guess that's null and void now lol

[@PoisonShot20]

Question to anyone here! I have an old tank, old valve system, its full, I bought an adapter for it, but my new grill hose conection only works on the new tanks. How I go about to use the lp gas that its in the old tank! Hate to waste it opening the valve to air it out. Finding an old grill and remove the hoses and install on the new grill, just to use the gas in the old tank?

[@FormanddesignAu]

The following comments are specific to AUSTRALIAN gas bottle systems only! The new LCC27 system on your new BBQ is safer than the older POL fittings. Also if you are using an older POL bottle it might be out of date and could be dangerous with prolonged use. You might be better off investigating gas bottle swapping systems through petrol stations and hardware stores. Check out this article from ELGAS www.elgas.com.au/disposal-recycling-lpg-gas-bottles-cylinders/

[@PoisonShot20]

@@FormanddesignAu I understand all that you said! I just want to use the full tank that I have, not to waste the gas, than recycle the tank. I have the new ones, and use them on my new grill. Maybe I wasn't clear enough explaining my question. Thanks any way!

[@axelknutt5065]

⁠@@PoisonShot20you need an old POL type hose and reg, which are nearly impossible to find. I got one off Amazon.

[@356cruzer4]

Thanks did the clear explanation 👍

[@FormanddesignAu]

No problem 👍

[@tomnguyen1015]

Thanks for sharing 🙏👍

[@FormanddesignAu]

Welcome 👍

[@HDXFH]

POL TO LCC27 adaptors are available too

[@FormanddesignAu]

Be warned that these adaptors do not provide the additional safety that the LCC27 bottle fitting provides. The safety valve is not included in the adaptors. Also if purchasing one of these adaptors make sure you are buying a POL to LCC27 adaptor and not the American QCC adaptors. It’s just a whole lot easier and safer to swap your bottle for an LCC27 bottle through one of the bottle swap outlets. They’ll happily swap your own bottle for one of theirs.

[@terrymarshall4964]

great video, thank you

[@FormanddesignAu]

You are welcome!

[@sniffinout9316]

What the hell does "POL" and "LCC" stand for?

[@FormanddesignAu]

POL stands for “Prest-O-Lite” the name of the company that developed the fitting. LCC stands for “Leisure Cylinder Connection”.

[@PlumbBob-FGX]

@@FormanddesignAu Never looked at a 9kg LPG bottle, and thought to myself that's a Leisure Cylinder.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Me neither. It's a strange naming convention.

[@mpalaskokkalis1476]

Perfect gas

[@margarethobbs2471]

Just bought new barbecue . Where Is the seal Ring

[@FormanddesignAu]

I’m not sure what you are referring to. Perhaps you’re question would be better directed to where you purchased the bbq from

[@samh7162]

lifesaver :) thankyou!

[@FormanddesignAu]

Glad it helped!

[@mat7247]

Must be a heap of ppl including me that have been caught out upgrading their bbq. Off to the the server to swap to a newer fitting bottle. 😮‍💨

[@PeterLGଈ]

Minor issue: If you are using an LCC bottle with a POL fitting, the POL fitting will NOT engage the internal valve in the LCC fitting. If some clever cloggs has opened the tap on the LCC bottle while it is detached the safety valve inside the LCC fitting will close. When you screw the POL fitting in, because it won'tnengage properly, the gas pressure behind the safety valve will keep it closed, meaning no gas will flow. The only way I have found around this is to make sure the tap is closed and force the internal valve open with a suitable rod of some type-it's high pressure, so it takes a good thump-preferably made of brass (sparks are a no-no). There will be a slight puff of released gas, and the POL can be attached and used normally. Then, replace all of your POL fittings with LCC ones 😉

[@FormanddesignAu]

If you find that "the POL fitting will NOT engage the internal valve in the LCC fitting" then chances are that your POL fitting is old and needs replacing. These things do not last forever and some older spec fittings are problematic. If you are trying to gerryrig something like this, then OBVIOUSLY something is wrong. If the POL fitting and the LCC27 fitting are in good working order then it should work as designed. My recommendation is to NOT fiddle with the safety valve. It's there for a reason. Figure out where the problem is and replace or fix the part that's faulty. Put simply, the new LCC27 fitting on the gas bottle in particular is a major safety improvement designed to reduce the risk of accidental gas bottle leaks and the consequences thereof.

[@Clinton_Cann_Media]

They make an adaptor to use LCC27 fittings with Pol bottles on eBay but fat chance finding them in a place like Bunnings.

[@FormanddesignAu]

Adaptors are dangerous and illegal in most states. This is because the two threads work against each other. When you tighten one it is possible to loosen the other since one is CCW (POL) and the other is CW (LLC27). Also all the adaptors I’ve seen are POL to QCC which is slightly different to our (Australian) LCC27 fitting. The simpler thing is to swap out your bottle for one with the new fitting which safely accommodates both POL and LCC27 fittings.

[@garymcsullea7330]

LCC fitting takes 1 second to connect the other can take minutes.

[@jamie-dd9pt]

So why is everyone selling gas burners with just a black hose.

[@FormanddesignAu]

"Everyone" might be an exaggeration. Firstly, I'm only talking about Australian standards. It's impossible to tell where you are from without you identifying your country. If you are not from Australia this does not apply to you. If you are from Australia, I think that you are referring to small bbq's or camping stoves typically purchased from camping shops. If this is the case, then you can find these smaller items supplied with a simple black hose and a hex shaped coupling on the end which is not at all like the the POL or LCC27 fitting in the video. In that case the video is not for you and should ignore it. If you do have the smaller bbq/camping stove with the simpler fitting then these fittings are designed for very small gas bottles of 2kg or less, not the 5 to 9 kg bottles referred to in the video. I hope that helps.

[@spacemanmat]

Be real careful with the new hose and old bottles. Had a kid attempt to connect the new hose and it sort of screwed onto the old bottle, could have ended real badly. Fortunately I checked it and realised something was wrong, I’d not seen the type of connection until then.

[@MogCity2]

Pain in the ass, new appliane means new bottle as well

[@FormanddesignAu]

Not really. You'll get a safer bottle and you can simply swap your bottle (even if you own it, for a pre-filled and checked bottle) at a petrol station that uses Swap-n-Go or other bottle swap systems. It's hardly onerous and you don't have to wait around for someone to fill your bottle.

[@johnretallack3629]

Milk comes in a bottle gas comes in a cylinder!

[@FormanddesignAu]

"Pressure vessel" is the over-riding name for this type of product. There are naming conventions that are usually associated with size, shape and usage. There are "gas cylinders" but the standard terminology used to describe this product is "Gas Bottle" (here in Australia anyway). It is also true that milk comes in "bottles".