Analyzing of the Dangers of New Age Movement

[@araenasanchez]

New Age constantly had me feeling like such a failure. So happy I stopped practicing. I was so broken I ran to JESUS! Can you say RELIEF?!

[@cammyhackwith5941]

My husband has been greatly influenced by a hyper or radical grace pastor. I find a lot of his teaching to be heretical but he uses a lot of gaslighting techniques to make you feel bad about questioning grace. A lot of Melissa’s comments on manifestation reminds me of how the hyper grace teachings focus on over-riding sin or the need to confess. I would love for you to address this in your conversations. Thanks so much for your channel! It has been super helpful. As a side note, I was taken to one of your dad’s college events when I was in high school and was angry and hated what I heard! However, God used that experience in my journey to accepting Christ a year later so I’m so grateful for his ministry, and now yours!

[@ahhitskatie9094]

Love both of you! Excellent conversation 👏

[@SeanMcDowell]

So glad to hear you enjoyed it!

[@Cwood79]

@@SeanMcDowell While I appreciate Melissa's testimony, I have difficulty with her putting Christians who belong to a Word of Faith in the New Age category. She does this on a consistent basis. The very idea that Phineas Quimby, a metaphysical teacher from the 1800's, is told by Miss Doughty as the beginnings of WOF is incorrect. That idea has already been disproven but somehow, she continues to share that narrative. If her facts are incorrect, how then is her conclusion about WOF considered correct?

[@Heartwing37]

Love Melissa! She’s my fav apologist. Thanks for having her!!!

[@daphniefarkas5703]

As a former new-ager and rookie apologist I love me some Melissa Dougherty 😁

[@SeanMcDowell]

Yes!

[@skippy675]

"Like, hey Scoob, why do you think apologists and theologians start with step 2 and ignore the fundamental question? Why is existence better than non existence. It makes it easier for a theist. Just define God as perfectly good, then his nature is inherent in whatever he decides to conjure up. God in the Abrahamic faiths never bothers to explain why it was better that he created everything instead of not. Is a small percentage of souls finding eternal peace and joy while the majority find eternal torment mathematically advantageous to no existence at all? Was God just lonely? Is it true that you are nobody until somebody loves you? Thus God could not be love unless there was someone else to love him back? Can love exist in a bidirectional sense just within the Trinity in its purist form? If so it could only go downhill by introducing angels and material beings into the mix. Whatcha got?

[@fluffysheap]

@@skippy675 lots of Trinitarians argue that the three persons all eternally existed in a perfect state of love before the creation. I agree with you that this doesn't really work as there is then no need for the universe. But I'm not a Trinitarian, so, whatever. No eternal hell either. As for why something is better than nothing... This is obvious to everyone who isn't an anti-natalist. But suppose hell isn't real. Now there's an infinite good if even one person is saved. The door is narrow, but it's not that narrow.

[@skippy675]

@@fluffysheap thanks for your thoughts. I don't subscribe to any faith in the current marketplace. What I try to do is reason through any and all of the claims that are out there, as well as any ideas for the necessity or goodness of existence I may have. I get stuck in the same loop. The evaluation of whether existence is better than non existence depends on one's view of the terms (heaven or not, hell or not etc). The rub is that we can't evaluate the claims fully without knowing for sure what the terms are. We can't know what the terms are for sure during existence because they are defined as unknowable, matters of faith. Literally, the best we can do is pick out the faith claim that most resonates with us and go with it.

[@skippy675]

@@Svetty00 very explicitly and intentionally, I did not. I asked exactly the opposite question. Is existence better than non existence? If so why? Read again and try again.

[@luamizondagh3620]

Love both of your channels! Thank you! Such a great conversation! 😄🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@darrenmiller6927]

What a great guy. His father saved my life with his books more than once. Apparently his son is very blessed as well, so happy for Josh McDowell, what a son - talk about thanking God on your knees for a blessing. And this young woman, super encouraging, powerful story. I just got calm listening to this, hypnotic, in all the best ways.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Wow, thx for sharing!

[@dianenlc8284]

I think Ray Comfort has nailed it by naming this type of belief (New Age) as inventing your own 'snuggly, cuddly 'god' who basically let's you do everything you want to do. All about Self and nothing to do with Submission.

[@FiveNineO]

They're their own god. That's why new age and luciferianism are so similar

[@biddiemutter3481]

It's so helpful to hear this conversation. I think I make the mistake of believing that every 'new ager' is aware that their beliefs are different from mine. I see that I need to take more time to converse.

[@laviniamasa7159]

Thank you so much 😊 I’m from Fiji 🇫🇯 and I think we have new age worship here. I’ve seen books sold here by new age pastors. A great video.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Wow, Fiji. I’ve been there and it’s AMAZING!

[@cliffordnewell2445]

Melissa combines brilliance and goodness.

[@kathrynknipe6615]

Thank you! I believe that understanding the moments when a person is drawn back to orthodoxy are important. The guest talked about the birth of her child. We can look for times when people are naturally drawn away from the woo woo. When life gets real. We can be there with even simple things such as grounding food. I don’t enjoy these conversations because they make me remember things I left behind for good reason, but sometimes God calls us to hear again and remember. Sending prayers. Grateful to hear you talk.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks Kathryn!

[@tinkerchristoferson7672]

Great discussion. Thank you

[@accordingtobetty5035]

I am so glad I had very strong doubts when I was reading "The secrete", even though they quote the scriptures it just didn't make sense to me and then I started watching videos about the law of attraction and funny enough the more I watched the least convinced I became until I bumped into one that opened my eyes and I was so relieved I had doubts about it and I looked into it before I went full on that path

[@libertylarochelle8517]

Thank you for this video. Hello from South Australia 🇦🇺

[@francinemeeks3911]

Albuquerque-WOW, I’m in Rio Rancho. Love both of you! Now, I’m going to keep my eyes open for you, Melissa!🤣

[@MrFrogmon]

Two of my fave together again

[@SeanMcDowell]

Aww 😊

[@leftykiller8344]

Really powerful discussion. Thank you for sharing your story. I had a friend who described herself as Wiccan, but definitely had some New Age thrown into it. I was traveling through Oklahoma to visit family in North Dakota and decided to stop by for a couple days. Now, my idea on things is that I don’t judge what people believe. I can choose to not believe it myself and think they are wrong, without judging them as a person. To be honest though, the way she described the world was terrifying. She claimed to actively see forces of light and darkness, believed she had magical powers and such. Her and her friends effectively believed that they were in “The Mortal Instruments” series. Referred to me a “mundane” and such because I couldn’t see it. They didn’t mean it as an insult, just a state of being. Long story short, after a couple days (so as to not appear rude) I left and never went back. It was one of those things that, from the outside, I could tell they were messing with things they shouldn’t be, and I wanted nothing to do with it. I still pray for them, but it’s not something I could be anywhere near.

[@themicdropprophet]

At about 17 to 18 minutes into this video I had to pause and listen to it again. Melissa was saying how the spirits in the New Age seemed to be angered by a Biblical world view of Jesus. He could be an "ascended master" or "a son of God" but to consider him "the son of God" or "God in the flesh" unique from all creation, this would anger the spirits. This point fascinated me for some reason. @Melissa Dougherty if you'd be comfortable answering this I have a question. How were you able to tell it angered the spirits?

[@margaret3785]

@TheMicDropProphet I can’t speak for Melissa, but using Melissa’s questioning, I confronted my New Age “Christian?” daughter about her beliefs. I felt I was talking to another spirit. When I asked her what Jesus means to her and who He is to her, she became so angry and cruel in her responses, but refused to answer the question. Even the spirits know Jesus. For the New Ager who was raised in Christianity, I believe they know deep down something is rocking their beliefs and it threatens them and their new chosen form of existence.

[@deevisel7673]

Thank you for this information.

[@SeanMcDowell]

You bet

[@jamessheffield4173]

Coming out of the dark light of New Age to Jesus was by the power of God.

[@priyarachel]

Love Melissa!

[@sarah_alline6849]

Thank you Sean! I’ve had the opportunity to hear you speak when I was in high school. I believe you were friends or at least knew my youth pastor (in Temecula) who used to be very Biblically solid. Unfortunately, over the years, he’s fallen into more progressive, new age thought and is into Richard Rohr now. It makes my heart sad, and I’ve been praying for him because he’s a pastor at a large church in Temecula leading the flock astray.

[@SeanMcDowell]

That’s heartbreaking, sorry to hear. Keep up the prayers!

[@sarah_alline6849]

@Gordon Freeman if it contradicts the Word of God…it’s not the truth.

[@FalconOfStorms]

My favorite superquiet audio channel.

[@maryannmccabe3648]

so helpful to me, still in the sorting process, after being in the New Age for 40 years!! Thank God He led me to a Calvary Chapel, the only way I could have come Home is through a grounding in the Bible, or I could have stayed in the confusion she describes for the rest of my life. Unbearable thought.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Amen!

[@pr8951]

It would have been nice the questions in the rapid questioning would have been, 'how do you know that what you believe is true?'

[@susanboccia6919]

Excellent

[@megb6820]

@Melissa I didn’t know you were a fellow New Mexican!!😮 I grew up @ Ghost Ranch (Northern NM Presbyterian adult study center) and lived in Albuquerque for another 20 years where I got deceived into the “New Age” etc. before moving to Alaska where Jesus used my daughter’s conversion and baptism to draw me back into relationship with him. I especially relate the need for better understanding of the spiritual dynamics involved. I’ve found some answers that are Biblically consistent, but once deceived there is so much caution and skepticism, which in some ways can hinder understanding. Still…Philippians 1:6 NASB [6] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work among you will complete it by the day of Christ Jesus.

[@glen6494]

Very interesting.

[@Saint.questions]

It's amazing.... that the serpent is doing the same thing *xxxxx* years later. How many find these experiences as verification of *power* . Wow.. thanks for sharing.

[@skippy675]

Sure our particular species of primate has no capacity for evil on its own. It's that pesty fucqing snake that leads us astray. Grow the fucq up and take responsibility for something.

[@timovesterinen3611]

Thank you so much. I have seen many debates between christians vs. atheists, mormons...etc in youtube,. but very few debates/discussions with newagers(or nondualists in general). What do you think about the idea in your channels, how would that work out?

[@SeanMcDowell]

I’d welcome the right person to have that discussion…

[@jkcrews09]

What can’t you talk about is such a revealing question!

[@peterfox7663]

Once you read the details & methodology of the "study" for ice crystals in The Secret, it's extremely easy to dismiss the entire book & movement.

[@megb6820]

“You gleaned from it (the Bible) what you could to apply to what you believed.” 🤯

[@JewandGreek]

Melissa is terribly confused. Word of Faith has nothing to do with New Thought. We don't believe that "like attracts like" based on energy, vibrations, and frequencies. We believe that God responds to faith in His Word, and there's a ton of Scripture to support that view. In fact, that's how you get saved. (Rom. 10:9,10) I've done numerous videos on these issues. I would welcome a dialogue with Sean on what we believe.

[@jahcal777]

Amen. Respect!

[@lolasimmons9152]

When someone says that someone they know or someone they know about is their spirit animal. Are they opening a door for demons to their life?

[@donnawashington5834]

Guilt can be seen as a form of self condemation. A low feeling comes over you. Because you have lowered your vibration committing some type of wrongful act...in which on soul level you are now feeling bad for. Its a very strong disapproval of one's way.

[@paulklemer]

What is new age vs old age?

[@jamestrotter3162]

"New Age" is really nothing more than old age mysticism.

[@kellyschroeder2210]

Thank you that I’m not God. Thank you Jesus Christ ✝️🙌🏻

[@bella-bee]

Crystals. I have turned my back on all that, but I was very interested in using them, hoping they would heal. I remember feeling force from quartz, and that could be piezo electricity, it’s how computers tick, and quarts watches, come to that. I remember feeling like I’d been kicked in the gut, winded, by a piece of quartz, and I get the same feeling from Wi-Fi, close to my body. Can’t hug my iPad! Very unpleasant, but I wanted to understand and was rather pleased to be sensitive to it. I thought this was some esoteric thing. Atoms do vibrate, that’s scientific, right enough, and a pure arrangement of atoms (a crystal) I presumed does too, and it was explained to me that we vibrate too, and when sick, we don’t vibrate as we should (really?). A crystal with the right vibration might be able to retune your sick body, make you better, like simple harmonic motion (remember your physics class?). Sounded good. And they’re so beautiful, and I loved that God made them happen because of his laws of nature. (Because of each element’s unique atomic structure they can only form their particular distinctive crystal forms, which fascinated and please me, and so beautiful) Colour and chakras were also involved. Ooh and don’t forget the high priest’s garment was studded with crystals/stones, to represent the tribes of Israel, so that’s all right then! What a shame to hijack God’s beauty. I actually healed myself. using crystals, and I watched a whopping bruise mature through purple to brown and disappear in 40 minutes. I fell in the shower and bashed my shin. That injury hurt like crazy and should have hurt me for ages, but the pain went. I was very impressed and thought I’d found something wonderful! So please don’t say these things don’t work. Ask rather what or who’s using crystals to convince you, what demonic power? Do not go there. Do not. I repented and got rid of them.

[@mystrength5640]

Gods love and Blessings to you! ✝️

[@jamestrotter3162]

What is the draw? " Ye shall be as God."

[@bella-bee]

Oh I’m so glad to find a new age video that’s still fresh, so maybe you might answer my concern, I hope so! And thank you I was into new age, so I’m very suspicious about it popping up in church. Last night the person leading the prayer asked us to visualise Jesus and what he’d look like, how he was there, looking at us, waiting for us, perhaps reaching out to us, or whatever. I once knew a spiritual intuit and she said “see” but don’t visualise, it’s dangerous. I don’t exactly know why, but I’m inclined to believe her. So is visualising Jesus as the image in my mind not a bad thing to do? Sounds like my invented Jesus for one thing. Can you say anything else about this please? Thanks very much

[@makaynach]

Hello Bella Bee! As a former New Ager and ex hypnotherapist, I would strongly advise against using those types of visualisations in your prayer life. They are occult techniques that open doors to counterfeit spiritual experiences disguised as truth. “We are told by some to visualize Jesus as we pray. When those into imagery and visualization believe that the "Jesus" being imaged in their mind is not just a image, but the real Jesus, even going so far as to dialogue and touch Him, then they have opened the door to counterfeit "spirit guides.' You might think you're focusing, on Jesus. You might have a real spiritual experience. But, when you create Jesus in your mind, He is not the historic Jesus of the Bible. He is The Jesus of your imagination, and the Bible warns about "another Jesus.' And many through these techniques have testified that the Jesus they encountered was not the resurrected Christ, but another Jesus, a counterfeit, "an angel of light" impersonating the Jesus of the Bible.” You can read more about this in this article: www.letusreason.org/NAM22.htm God bless you!

[@fluffysheap]

This doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Jesus said "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20 Whatever your old new age teacher said, it doesn't apply to Jesus!

[@ourtexasjourney1850]

It may be different for you because of your previous experience. Good job catching issues and lingo that might affect your walk with Christ.

[@bevmelban4997]

Do you have a video on the Rapture and your thoughts about it? I am very interested to know. Thanks

[@SeanMcDowell]

I don’t, sorry!

[@margaret3785]

@Bev Melban Read Revealing Revelation by Amir Tsarfati. Very helpful.

[@ruthtirado2750]

I really can’t understand why any believer would not embrace the word of faith! Although I certainly do see how New Age would twist those beautiful faith scriptures. It all boils down to following and obeying the Holy Spirit. But why desire to live a life without embracing and believing Gods great and precious promises and the price Christ paid for our healing, forgiveness, and abundant life??? God’s sovereignity ends with our free will. Otherwise, how could He ever have the fulfillment of our choosing to love Him? Hence, in His sovereignity, He gave us free will.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

Why would a protestant become Catholic or Orthodox for that matter

[@kellyschroeder2210]

Interesting and great conversation. Wow, yoga and enneagram !! ?? Can be Christian and mistaken 👍🏻. So, on this kinda subject. Would be good to have convo or discussion about Halloween. After reading about SA and individuals stories I will choose to honor these peeps and not ever celebrate Halloween even “innocently” or put up decorations or hand out candy. Please look into it and have discussion down the line ….. 💞💙🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻👍🏻

[@grammym8262]

This is why I pray for God's wisdom because it could be so confusing, so we can fall for the lies of Satan. He does appear as a angel of light to guide us away from the one true God.

[@peterfox7663]

"The law of attraction" taken to the new age lengths is absurd. But the general idea that we tend to see what we focus on is true.

[@m76353]

its weird, i never actually knew anyone actually believed this stuff. thought it was just random stuff hippies and drug addicts mumble before they ask you for a cigarette. didn't know there was an actual entire belief system around it. weird

[@joeypchajek]

It's literally being used as part of the NWO, the UN basis many of their philosophies off of the New Age. People like Alice Bailey and Madame Blavatsky. p.s. Drug addicts are human beings, not drug addicts. Many of em are very smart and have huge hearts but got led astray. Many of em are less lost than rich sophisticated folk.

[@m76353]

@@joeypchajek i'm not saying anyone is a bad person. i just didn't know drug addicts and hippies actually believed that stuff and thought it was just part of their hustle. and lol idk about that with the UN, lol. i have a feeling most people with money and power don't actually believe in anything except money and power

[@MusaKafiar-i2f]

Thanks Ferry good oke ♥️🙏

[@ruthtirado2750]

Apprehending Gods promises is in NO WAY CONTROLLING GOD!

[@bella-bee]

Letting go of access to spiritual power…… the Bible tells us that the spiritual realm is his and the revealed is ours. I understand that to be the physical. The occult is the hidden. “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law." (Deuteronomy 29:29) That told me yes it’s all real, but I’ve no business messing with it. I let it go, and trust the Lord that it’s his business. It has left me very worried about some of the things that spiritual Christians want to do, and I’m not good at discerning what’s really the Holy Spirit, because I don’t want to go into the spiritual realm without the Holy Spirit with me, and so far he’s not shown me, so I stay firmly in the physical, the ordinary. And Jesus is enough! To reiterate, you can have spiritual experiences without God, but don’t go there, it’s dangerous, and he tells us not to for a very good reason - he loves us. It’s all for our good. He also rates obedience highly!

[@punchbowlhaircut]

Go Go Gadget Conversion!!

[@SeanMcDowell]

Haha, yep!

[@paulc7190]

are these apologists baptised in the Holy Spirit?

[@lolasimmons9152]

When you have Jesus as your Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit is given to you and lives in your spirit. God seals you by the Holy Spirit and there's no such thing as being baptized in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is given to you the moment you say yes to Jesus Christ.

[@patriciapification]

❤️

[@csmoviles]

💖🙏💖🙏💖

[@John-Christchurch-NZ]

The lens you come to scripture with will determine what you see in it. The Word of God is not some magic incantation that gets you saved or gets you what you want, or even need. It is a description of a reality that exists - which is why Christian faith is about relationship. A live relationship with a living God. Nothing wrong with positive confession, but it changes us. It doesn't effect God.

[@jace76ful]

Ya satan even appealed with "you will be like gods." Notty satan. Bible is the key to exposing lies and falsehoods. I love it.

[@FiveNineO]

Reincarnation is real. Up to judgement day it's possible to reincarnate and "try again". But at judgement day time's up and the souls will be divided and only one group will go to the new Heaven and the new Earth. It's of course not at all necessary to believe this, hence the forgetting

[@FiveNineO]

Hell is still real. Some souls stay there, others dwell there for a while before they come to their senses. After judgement day, or the harvest of souls, if you are a hellish person you'll go to hell and stay there permanently. Just as there are many heavens there are many hells. Btw, there's no comfort in this for the harvest of souls is now

[@YenkammaNe]

aBrahamic logic , Moses/Jesus/Mohammed believing. (Judaism Christianity Islam) is based on messiah hero worship. They constantly over hype their 'son of god ' to market themselves since there is no God in aBrahamic logic. Brahmic logic ,SELF believing (Sanaathan Dharma, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism) is based on Cosmic laws, Nature laws/worship, knowledge gathering, defining divinity as symbolism thru images, Stone dietes..etc Worshipping Nature's forces, elements, animals birds plants is a core part of Faith....combined with individual Self consciousness, self inquiry , self realization.. Nature/Universe around is manifestation of God

[@sarahlaslett3279]

I think by your list of various religious figures, following on with various natural elements and finally "self realisation, self inquiry, consciousness etc you have come full circle to favouring/endorsing New Age beliefs. Aspects of nature do reflect God's glory but they are not God. They are creations not the Creator and as such should not be worshipped. I may have a fabulous dress on that does something for me but the dress is not me. We are to worship the Creator not the things the creator made. You set Jesus in a line along with Mohammed, Moses, Brahmin logic. But Jesus does not belong there. Jesus was God manifest. No other in the line were that or claimed to be that. The gospel of John begins with "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God. All things were made through Him. And without Him was not anything made that was made. In Him was life and the life was the light of men." The Word of God is Jesus. If you are really interested in finding out the truth about Jesus please read chapter 1 verses 15 - 20 in the book of Colossians ( in the New Testament) whoch gives a powerful description of Jesus. Jesus said "I am the way, the life and the truth" You need to give serious consideration as to whether Jesus was speaking the truth or not. And whether you are going to follow your ideas or Him. Please consider this that there will come a day when you will stand before Him in ration to the truth.

[@jamestrotter3162]

Joel Osteen = New Age teacher- " Your Best Life Now?

[@JewandGreek]

No. Joel Osteen is mainstream on all the essentials. Most of the people who attack him based on that haven't even read the book.

[@ruthtirado2750]

Yet you said you would have wished to know the truth at your church. Why would you want to talk more about the lies you were living? Speaking the lie just reinforces it every time.

[@saber714-r5f]

sounds like a lot of emotionalism is running new age

[@Mymle]

That’s so true, it could be past trauma that pulls people into it. I was in the new age / alternative world.

[@MusaKafiar-i2f]

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[@MusaKafiar-i2f]

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[@MusaKafiar-i2f]

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[@MusaKafiar-i2f]

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[@francinemeeks3911]

Albuquerque-WOW, I’m in Rio Rancho. Love both of you! Now, I’m going to keep my eyes open for you, Melissa!🤣