Legacy Deluxe Class Arcee | Doctor Lockdown Reviews 135

[@DrLockdown]

Welp, looks like the leak squad was DEAD wrong about there not being a Flamewar. She's coming out and she looks absolutely beautiful. Still have my reservations with the mould, but I am so glad she's actually getting made.

[@sebatianmatospelaez7018]

Good to see that the mould works for her more than Arcee.

[@princefleet18]

Stop using bad words

[@DrLockdown]

...bad? Elaborate?

[@orion9026]

As someone who got into Transformers via Transformers prime, it hurts to see characters I had on TV for 3 years rehashed as obvious pre-tools with most of their identity removed

[@sirscreamethbehemoth780]

idk man, Bulkhead is pretty awesome

[@DrLockdown]

He's not a pretool. Prime will be the retool.

[@reedy9333]

At least you didn't have to live through the transition into generation 2🤮

[@FvTv_]

How did you think beast wars fans felt when all the alt modes were realistic

[@DrLockdown]

I only saw a couple complaining. Most were okay with it

[@blackcatleader2459]

I think I've figured out the "display figures from the back" thing. While it doesnt bother me, sometimes Ill have a display where two bots are having a sword fight or something similar with one of them with his back to me. And that's when I noticed how hollow and awkward the back looks. Not a big issue but I think thats why people dont like hollow backs or backpacks.

[@DrLockdown]

Eh. I still think it's an okay compromise given transformer budgets, unless it goes overboard (like arcee here)

[@thetempleton6622]

To add to that some people love doing photography with their figures and having an ugly angle (this case being the back) limits the poses and angles you can take a photo of

[@DrLockdown]

My whole thing technically counts as 'doing photography', but I don't usually mind backpacks

[@ronaldpaterni5081]

Great review! It’s funny how TF:Prime, at times, stylized G1’s blocky designs (TF:Prime Shockwave is awesome, but has an organic creepiness, too). Now Legacy makes TF:Prime “blocky”, but yeah, Bulkhead pulls this off way better than Arcee. Her weapons, are odd, too. Maybe, they could have made bike/mode hand covers that became arm blasters? Maybe if they had put both wheels, split, in some non-Mospeada way, on the backpack? Hmmm… I’ve only read a little about Flamewar, after getting her legion figure. I hope Hasbro reconsiders, and makes her. Thanks again!

[@awesomusprime8611]

My biggest problem with this figure and Legacy as a whole is how insulting it is to Prime fans. G1, G2, and Beast Wars characters are getting amazingly accurate updates while Prime characters/designs are shoved through a G1 filter. Knockout is also extremely lazy, only being a slight remold or SS86 Jazz, but the biggest issue is that we still don’t have proper updates to these designs and that hurts for Prime fans like myself. We still don’t have a proper TF Prime Knockout and that just sucks because his design in the show was awesome. Whether the figures are good or not isn’t really my point, I’ve heard that Bulkhead is great, it’s just that Prime fans are getting the finger. But hey, at least it’s not as bad as the lack of Animated figures.

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

And then the geewunners have the gall to tell us it's perfectly justified and we should just suck it up because "ThEy FiT bEtTeR iN a G1 cOlLeCtIoN."

[@awesomusprime8611]

@@hyperdimensionbliss Exactly, and Hasbro listens to them! All they do is pander to the G1 fans and just don’t care about the other fans. This toyline shouldn’t be called Legacy because that implies that it celebrates the legacy of the whole franchise. Instead it just celebrates the legacy of G1 while giving only a couple of things to Beast Wars fans, G2 fans, and Unicron Trilogy fans. I bet that this will be a trilogy with a combiner in each line, and I bet every combiner will just be from G1 again.

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

@@awesomusprime8611 It's exactly as Thew once said: "and here I thought the word 'Generations' was supposed to be a plural."

[@DrLockdown]

I don't think it's that bad. Bulkhead is great and knockout looks fantastic IMO. It's really just arcee that suffers. Would've loved figures closer to the screen model, but I get that they wanted to compromise

[@tronlives1004]

@@DrLockdown that and they’re probably doing it to fit the mor generation feel with their previous figures and such

[@djdee6386]

Something fun i found: The wheel weapon when split can make “roller blades” when attatched at the feet.

[@DrLockdown]

Huh...I'll look into it

[@ELCarnerojrLFDO]

@@DrLockdown I WISH IF HASBRO COULD REUSE THE PRIME UNIVERSE ARCEE IN THE BUZZWORTHY TOY LINE!

[@Gruffization]

How do you have the weapon attached? By the 5mm peg?

[@Toon_Lucario]

This is definitely one of the figures ever made

[@XboxTF2Tidbits]

I agree, it is definitely a figure

[@random_cocaine4667]

i loved when Hasbro said its HASBROIN time and HASBRO'D everywhere

[@raphaeldagamer]

I want to see a redeco of this mold as Transmutate from Beast Wars: Uprising. The character is already a cool concept in the Beast Wars show, and Uprising takes it a step further, confirming a gender for her, and establishing that she has a Cybertronian equivalent to our Autism Spectrum Disorder, then making her one of the most powerful types of Cybertronian in existence, a point one percenter. As an autistic person, I appreciate this very intentional and subtle piece of representation in Transformers media, though I am sad to say I missed out on the old Arcee redeco to Transmutate.

[@_V.Va_]

So he has Hollywood autism.

[@szymonlewandowski9690]

3:08 - THANK YOU! Finally someone acknowledged that Bulkhead doesn't work as a Grapple retool. And yeah, like you said. This review didnt really help much in guiding my decision on wheter or not to but Legarcee. She's still the Wave 1 Deluxe im most interested in, and I still kinda want her. But I propably will be more passive in my efforts rather than go out of my way to obtain her. I still like the overall design.

[@Flandre_Scarlet8]

"You're a human Jack, can you build me a small intestion?"

[@masterfarr8265]

17:27 NGL that actually looks pretty cool that way and seemingly opens the floodgate for a chromia from this

[@DrLockdown]

I'd rather take a chromia from the studio series mould (the bumblebee one, not the ss86 one)

[@CyberKnightMiky]

For me, I actually like this Arcee. Sure it may not be perfect and there's qc to be sure, but nothing in the world is perfect and she has some charm to it, which is good that everyone has their own opinion and point. But at least it's better than the Fembots (not including Kingdon) we had in the past for main line Transformers.

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah, but I guess its not a high bar to jump

[@SwiftpawWolffox]

Not perfect, but not nearly as terrible as a lot of people have said. I think the figure is fine, and I'm looking forward to the Road Rocket version. My annoyance is more with the weapons, and the dumb half discs instead of her proper arm blades, and the 'lets call this a weapon even though it's a transformation for the later variation' wheel goobly.

[@masterfarr8265]

Crazy how far prime universe figures have come. We went from this to Skyquake and Thundertron.

[@ToaArcan]

I am in the awkward position where I am torn between this one and the Bumblebee movie one, while also knowing full-well that if HasTak ever grace us with a reissue of Titans Return Arcee then that will automatically win and both of the current options would become irrelevant.

[@DrLockdown]

Doubt TR will ever get a reissue. But why not get this AND the SS one?

[@ToaArcan]

@@DrLockdown Money and storage space, basically. I have neither the funds nor the room to get every figure, especially as this isn't my only hobby (I got a fair bit of Lego Star Wars backlog to try and address and that aftermarket is not a forgiving place), so I have to be picky.

[@DrLockdown]

Ah. Fair enough. I don't have other hobbies, so fortunately it's just this for me

[@legalsaga4684]

For me the blue, pink and silver looks is soo eye-candy.

[@DrLockdown]

The colour scheme works well. For me it's the materials used. The detail gets washed out

[@beauaadams153]

While I was mad at first I kinda given up and I'll just wait for 3p to do prime stuff. But great review as always.

[@DrLockdown]

Thanks mate. Fortunately we have APC at the moment, although I hear their arcee has build quality issues

[@brotquel1592]

@@DrLockdown Sadly, with most 3rd parties, they have to cut prices where they can, QC being one of the first to be cur off, otherwise I'm sure 3p would bury Hasbro. I mean, a Voyager size prime Soundwave? Airachnid? Vehicons? BWU RAMPAGE? Not to mention Legend/Core class that actually look good (mostly complaining about past legends, modern cores are great)? Sign me up!

[@TBgunsandbutter]

this is my Chromia ! and i bought her because she is a Suzuki GSXR 1100 hell yeah 👍 1986 - 1998 the Golden Years of 🏍️ riding & Cybertron

[@zafool4997]

Where and how the heck did you find it? I can’t seem to find any Legacy in stores! I can’t find Tigertron either……:(

[@DrLockdown]

Imported from Singapore. I got sick and tired of of nothing showing up here

[@NovexusNui777]

Legacy Arcee is the lesser Arcee figure *(because SS BB Arcee is just godlike and I will die on that mountain)* But I enjoy it for it's potential like if we don't get Flamewar, I sure hope she gets turned into Ransack, all the DNA's there for it to happen. So I may not like the mold as Arcee but will definitely get it once it's turned into Ransack or Flamewar, or both. Also Legacy wave 2, honestly Birbabuto Kingdom and Super Bell Hill is playing in my mind, and With the announcement of Cybertron Metroplex, hype's real and for Motormaster, I pray to Primus and. everything holy it's backwards compatible with CW.

[@DrLockdown]

Looks like since the announcement, they've explained the legs kinda are, but it's fairly loose. The arms apparently aren't though

[@x-modulator4067]

For a second I thought you uploaded this a day early on accident, then I remembered you’re Australian. Glad to see some more reviews anyway!

[@DrLockdown]

Welcome to timezones lol

[@x-modulator4067]

@@DrLockdown yeah lol, I like when I see people who are like, “If China is 12 hours ahead of the US, why didn’t they warn us about 9/11!”. Never ceases to amaze me how little people understand what a time zone is, anyways you made a great video, interested what your thoughts on laser prime are if you get around to it.

[@DrLockdown]

Lotta people commenting and asking, but the idea I have would take a lot of work. Not feasible at the moment

[@jeremysommer147]

When this figure along with the rest of wave 1 was unveiled, I was in The camp of this just seems absolutely bad. I was mad that they were Geewunning such unique and fun character designs. But I wanted to give it a try in hand before making a final verdict. Getting it in hand, it won me over. Not enough to say it’s the best thing ever, but enough to enjoy it. Like others have said it makes for a good fiddle toy and I absolutely love the way the waist and legs work during transformation. Ultimately I can’t hate this figure for what it does, but I still dislike the fact they generisized the heck out of it

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah I think the design could've been done better. I don't mind the new aesthetic, but this particular one fell flat for me

[@ixadorcraine6736]

@@JROD082384 wtf is this comment? Also G1 characters weren't exactly generic?????

[@roboticcynic580]

​@@DrLockdown Surprisingly, Generation 1, Generation 2, 90s Beast Wars, Early 2000s and Unicron Trilogy Toys were quite chunky looking. Especially female robots which were very few in quantity and sturdy to transform.

[@Turbo.RF4]

​@@JROD082384Oh boo hoo, can't wait for about 20 years, G1 is as good as dead you fucking boomers.

[@ToaBastignika]

"everything is better in a nemesis deco" *shows cybertron runamuck* damn what a perfect example hahaha. I hope they eventually make flamewar! I hate how the Cyberverse Class Prime Arcee has a way better transformation scheme for the wheels than this one e-e. Also I wish the front of the bike formed the chest

[@DrLockdown]

Would've been neat, but the torso is simply too different to facilitate it

[@RevengeoftheBallen831]

@@DrLockdown if the chest was the front of the cycle, it would have given her chest lights in an unfortunate place…

[@tgiacin435]

I’m torn with Arcee. On the one hand I’m glad they actually gave her her right shade of blue with pink accents, but I wish they could’ve engineered the shin tires better, and found a better way to make the backpack more flush. However I did notice you can hide the hands better if you rotate them before putting down the arm guards. But I guess as a G1 inspired version of prime Arcee it works. And I ended up getting the repaints of the ninja and Flamewar. And I’ve been wanting for a more mass market release of Flamewar about as long as I’ve been wanting on a mass market release of Slipstream

[@reedy9333]

I think they should just go back to the animated prowl mold or something based on it

[@DrLockdown]

Knowing them, we probably aren't going to get any representation any time soon

[@reedy9333]

@@DrLockdown Not sure if I was unclear, I'm not looking for a redo of the animated travel character... It's just the way that mold handled motorcycles was genius!

[@DrLockdown]

Ah. Yeah fair. Could reuse the transformation

[@wakspacific6928]

It irks me that HasTak gave Cybertron Metroplex an accurate figure despite being Non-G1, then gave the Prime Characters G1-ifications.

[@DrLockdown]

I think it's more that the Cybertron aesthetic matches up with the current WFC style already, whereas prime needed adjustments given its stylisation

[@abdullahqavi1465]

BTW, what are your thoughts on the Animated Prowl that was leaked today?

[@DrLockdown]

Looks a bit messy, so I'm concerned the engineering will turn out similarly to arcee, but the aesthetic is far less bland.

[@MrRobot1984]

Did anyone else have defective rear wheels that didn’t line up and have to return it to Hasbro? They swapped out the bit with the tail pipe with the same bit on the opposite side so when In vehicle mode one half tire arches up and the other half arches down and doesn’t connect

[@DrLockdown]

First case I've heard

[@MrRobot1984]

@@DrLockdown according to Hasbro the serial number says it was assembled in Korea.

[@DrLockdown]

Huh...guess they're doing it elsewhere now

[@MrRobot1984]

@@DrLockdown almost 5 months of waiting for a replacement and it still hasn’t come. I gave up, bought a new one then stuck the defective Arcee in the box and returned it telling them the part was wrong and they should return it to the distributor. Also Hasbro sent an email saying the case# had been closed, and hasn’t replied to follow ups .

[@DrLockdown]

That's...kinda messed up. At least return the old copy telling staff 'this is faulty'. You should at least be covered by consumer law. Someone's going to buy that off the shelf now, and be stuck with it.

[@GetHexedNerd]

Mate, You scared the shit out of me with that Armstrong meme! Anyways, Great review as always!

[@DrLockdown]

Oh sorry. Didn't mean to :p

[@leftygurl]

as the proud owner of a war dawn erial in addition to this, a slathering of pink and a windshield that doesn’t come off really help. that and the plastic feels a bit improved, surprisingly.

[@soundblaster1987reviews]

With the split wheel on the legs and the windshield behind the head, I'm seeing both Protectobot Groove and Cybertron Ransack in this mold somehow.

[@DrLockdown]

A ransack could work if they redid the chest, but they really need to pin that chest and adjust the tolerances

[@DragoonMS]

It's supposed to be a pretool for an updated G2 Road Rocket...which will probably be just as fugly as this.

[@DrLockdown]

If they redo the chest it could look good, but sadly there's not much saving the mould after the other issues (if you already don't like arcee that is)

[@thetempleton6622]

My problem with this figure (a problem that I feel that some people would get mad at me for) is that she doesn't look like a female, prime arcee looked sexy and this looks like it was supposed to be a male bot and will probably be repainted and used as a male bot (probably animated prowl) it removes one of the biggest appeals of her prime design Also to the people who would say "she's a robot they're not supposed to look feminine or masculine" I'd argue that your point would work if they didn't make earthrise arcee Edit: I just wanna point out that I don't want Hasbro to add boobs to make her more feminine, I just want her to have the proportion and form of one, you know like an hourglass body, slightly thicker legs, and shoulders that aren't far apart

[@optimusprime-i5h]

i really like my version however my figures arm joint really is killing me anyone know how to fix

[@DrLockdown]

Is it the same issue as mine where it falls apart?

[@optimusprime-i5h]

@@DrLockdown No kidding, is there any way to fix it?

[@DrLockdown]

I'm guessing regular joint tightening methods? Vangelus has a good tutorial on it. Personally I dont care for the figure enough to do it though

[@optimusprime-i5h]

@@DrLockdown Thank you so much

[@det.bullock4461]

I'm still waiting for a proper carformer Arcee based on the Alex Milne redesign for Robocop vs Terminator. :P At least Elita seems good enough to preorder.

[@DrLockdown]

I'd love that, but I doubt Hasbro will ever do it. Not 'accurate' enough

[@Bunbiichuffn]

Your contrast to Legacy Wave 2 vs Wave 1 caused me to choke on my food Quality content as always

[@DrLockdown]

Oh dear. Sorry mate. Didn't mean to cause that

[@Bunbiichuffn]

@@DrLockdown it's a good thing, not choking but the laugh that came after. I live for that brand of chaos

[@drigoleus1055]

These prime figures from legacy remind me of the lego ucs gunship Where the company makes a product that is subpar but from a fan favorite part of a franchise So then if people dont buy it they will take it has that they wont sell so they will stick nostalgia But if they do then they will think that mediocre products Shell and wont need to put effort Thats the feeling the "prime" figures give to me

[@DrLockdown]

For me it's just Arcee. Bulkhead is nice and knockout looks great

[@drigoleus1055]

@@DrLockdown I guess But them making more g1 looking prime figures and saying its prime its really dumb If they are doing prime figures but g1 dont call them prime atleast

[@DrLockdown]

I don't particularly care what on the box. I'm so used to ignoring 3P names anyway, so it's easy for me

[@drigoleus1055]

@@DrLockdown I guess but also having g1 fans getting so much all the time feels bad

[@ReviewerKid90]

I bought this when she came out and thought "Yeah no, I'm buying the Prime First Edition".

[@Nemesis_Slime]

that persona soundtrack is a nice touch

[@DrLockdown]

Love the songs from that game

[@mecha53107]

I'm probably picking up Legacy Minerva as my main Legacy Fembot.

[@DrLockdown]

Why not both?

[@Cent_Reviews]

Arcee’s motorcycle canopy isn’t supposed to be a partsforming piece, it’s more along the lines of Earthrise Allicon’a tail or studio series gnaw’s head to make packaging the figure more convenient

[@DrLockdown]

Doubt it. There seems to be enough space in the package for it normally. I reckon it's intentional

[@Cent_Reviews]

@@DrLockdown I could also see it as a way of possible theft prevention since the cardboard insert is sandwiched between the figure and the front of the motorcycle

[@DrLockdown]

Also doubt such. Other figures in the wave have big backpacks and they're all secure

[@whydopeoplelovefoxy2051]

4:26 I had to replace the muffler on my car multiple times

[@mashman1287]

This figure just...Really makes me feel conflicted, it's in a weird grey area. She has the nicely done details on some aspects like the pink paint but then you get to the way they made the blue plastic and how the kibble is situated that ultimately has me slighty turned off so I definitely am with you on her just feeling janky. This review really just made it easier to understand the strange status she has at the moment. Thankfully with Elita looking so fantastic there's a glimmer of hope for more consistent looking fembots. Would definitely love to see a Thunderblast someday!

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah a thunderblast with though the backpack would be rad

[@mrheroprimes]

I'm probably going to just wait and see what this mold gets repainted into since I already have my definitive Arcee which is thrilling thirty

[@DrLockdown]

You mean arcee arcee or chromia arcee, given prime arcee was initially meant to be chromia and T30 chromia reuses parts from the original prime arcee?

[@roonis418]

Great review as always mate. Hope all is well. Yeah that sucks no Flamewar repaint. In the IDW comics she's great (I get a very deadpool vibe from her). Plus I feel with a new head sculpt and better paint she would be the better version of this mold. Were just have to see about the walmart repaint that's rumored. I feel like the netflix line had the better paint work so maybe it will again. Keep up the great work looking forward to your next video.

[@DrLockdown]

Thanks mate. The Walmart repaint is road rocket sadly.

[@jtek2259]

3:42 The delivery on that line was PERFECT

[@rubiconprime1429]

I just got the Toxitron Lazercycle and though I’d use your backpack configuration to differentiate her from my Road Rocket, and realized your configuration doesn’t really look good on the other variations of the mould due to the inside of the front wheels not being painted. Still really like the wing configuration though.

[@wakeangel2001]

This Arcee reminds me of a lego hero factory figure, where it looks comprehensive from the front, but from behind it's just a spindly skeleton with armor snapped on the front

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

In all honesty, I love this thing, but my biggest issue is literally just her size. It’s weirdly scaled in robot mode being much larger than her prime counterpart meaning the bike doesn’t scale either sadly I know it’s rare to get KO undersized versions of figures or core classes of figures like this but damn I’d happily buy that all up if it existed

[@DrLockdown]

I'm not that much of a scale nut, so sizing like this doesn't register to me

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

@@DrLockdown eh, I know, not everyone is, I just like tiny things. If I can ask, are you planning to do bulkhead?

[@DrLockdown]

No plans. Really don't have much to say

[@Pikminer-5087]

After getting this toy in hand and having made peace with the design changes, she's actually pretty alright! The various options with the way the backpack can be fiddled around with the wheels is a fun little touch (for me anyway), the transformation is really cool, and the bike mode is great, I kinda love it.

[@solbadguy9025]

I guessed this mold could also be retooled into Cybertron Ransack. What do you think about it?

[@DrLockdown]

I hope not, mostly because I'm not a fan of it.

[@TheRealHiboman]

I will say I think the back wheel pegs are placed intuitively. It’s been a thing forever that Cycleformers have weird frustrating ways of putting split wheels back together with a lot of asymmetrical tabs and pegs and things that tend to take a few tries if you’re not focusing And the most frustrating example of a splitting gimmick with asymmetrical assembly I can think of is actually also from a Cycleformer, but not the wheels. Animated Oil Slick’s barrel chain flail thing has entirely unique ridges that go together precisely one way and it takes FOREVER to get them aligned lol Having only one peg on one side and only one hole on the other means you can line up Legacee’s wheel halves after only checking once For me it’s second only to RID15 Fracture who has a circular ridge on one wheel piece and a circular slot on the other so you’re guaranteed to line them up no matter what

[@DrLockdown]

I think I could have been a little less harsh if it wasn't so tight. Getting them apart is really annoying. Might just be my copy though

[@halite_g]

Is the kibble on the shins pinned to the shins?

[@DrLockdown]

Nope. It just sits on the sides using a faux ratchet

[@halite_g]

@@DrLockdown Well I guess depending on who you ask that could be a good thing. (I personally have no problem with removing ugly kibble to improve aesthetics)

[@DrLockdown]

Aaahhhh. I thought you meant does it peg in. In that case yes it is pegged in. It cannot be removed

[@halite_g]

@@DrLockdown Well that sucks

[@ethanpersonius-naff7899]

I feel like Hasbro needs to give more love and care for non-G1 characters even if they share a G1-based design. I feel like if they make something like a leader class Lugnut with amazing engineering, weapons and modes, it would help build the potential Legacy could make in the long run which so far has been interesting to say at the least.

[@DrLockdown]

They did with bullhead, and the beasts before him

[@Tazer_Silverscar]

Oh dear, the Yorkshire Airlines sketch X'D

[@DJLuckeyLu]

Personally, I like the cycle mode, but the wheel kibble on the legs for robot mode kills it for me, plus the weapons are lame.

[@bighoss6816]

I've had this arcee since it's released in my area (southern MN) and I've played with it a good bit and I haven't had any issues with parts breaking or falling apart. That one ball joint you pointed out while transforming it to bot mode hasn't given me any trouble at all. And my copy has solid joints and no flimisness. Just due to proportions with the backpack and thr fembot proportions making it a bit awkward to pose

[@wakspacific6928]

I expected Legacy to be at least, Studio Series but with other shows

[@DrLockdown]

Looks like they've got the greebled unifying aesthetic. It's not necessarily g1, because it doesn't look like the toys or the show exactly, but it is consistent with WFC

[@Loremastrful]

I would put down money that they'll release a Flamewar model before Legacy is done. Hasbro is pulling that FOMO maneuver like they did with SS/Buzzworthy Kup and Cliffjumper. All around Legacy Arcee is OK. I'd get it after Dragstrip, Kickback and the 9thers or if I'm bored and they are lining the shelves. It is good, but it could be better.

[@DrLockdown]

I think she'll potentially show up in the next line, or maaaybe the last wave. Fairly certain the line is fixed at this point

[@nemesisprime1758]

mine had a really tight ball joint but used some dish soap and now it is great not loose but not too tight

[@SwedishSeacon]

They better redeco this one into Flamewar. I mean it would be stupid to not to do it since they have the mold.

[@DrLockdown]

No plans as of yet sadly. It's baffling

[@stevenschramm6640]

I'm wondering as I saw this in the store if studio series Arcee is the same mold?

[@DrLockdown]

Oh 100% not. SS arcee is fantastic.

[@stevenschramm6640]

@@DrLockdown okay just wondering.

[@ZipZeroYT]

I like her, she’s the weakest of the wave, but not bad. My main issues are the backpack not plugging in somewhere so it wiggles around and the way that the waist swivel joint isn’t pinned in so when you try to swivel the waist it feels like it’s gonna break and sometimes pops out I kinda like the ability to pop off the headlight/wings bit for transformation. Makes things a little easier Yes, the weapons are half-assed but I have a decent amount of spare accessories so that’s not a big issue for me The face looks off, but I can live with it. Better than SS86 Blurr by far 6.8/10

[@optimascrime5235]

I think the Legacy Knock out is probably the best one out of the 3 new Transfomers Prime figure's we have gotten so far...Yet again that's not saying much LOL

[@Central_Zensation]

This is just my opinion, but I think he's the worst. He looks the least like his prime counterpart compared to the other two. His face is off, his staff is off, the only good thing is the vehicle. Bulkhead is the best one imo, because he fits the most into the g1 asthetic

[@Anur_Vladias]

Also just letting you know you can get a side to side at the waste section

[@DrLockdown]

Ah damn. Must've written 'waist swivel' instead of 'ball-jointed waist'. Sorry mate. Force of habit

[@Anur_Vladias]

@@DrLockdown don’t mind watch perspective ends video of this video to know how it works

[@DrLockdown]

No I'm aware. I have seen it and know about it. I just wrote the wrong thing there.

[@moosiefate]

It’s interesting that you mention the plastic hiding details, I thought the red plastic on inferno was able to pick out the details… but that was compared to orange grapple…

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah it's not the colour as much as the plastic used. You can see the difference between normal siege prime and the premium finish version: the old one looks fuzzy and you can't make out anything, while the new one looks crisp

[@moosiefate]

@@DrLockdown Thanks for the clarification. Hastak plastic seems to be all over the shop now. I’ve heard some people saying their Netflix Soundwave’s grey plastic are yellowing, and then there’s shattered glass Starscream yellowing as well.

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah. Had to replace my SG Starscream for that exact reason

[@konstantinszelcs2766]

This is my only purchase of the Legacy line, I've no interest in the line. And I gotta say, I (do) like her, but she has her caveats. Like, I did find some new things about her, such as the tabbing of the legs for robot and crotchplate for motorcycle, and the back kibble can be adjusted to your/my liking, but after discovering the stress marks that transforming the shoulders did (I have TFanPage101 to thank for pointing that out when I saw that review), I might as well not convert her again, despite how enjoyable I found her transformation to be. (I've no idea how Siege Springer's transformation is so bad, considering how clever it's trying to be, and I'll never transform my Earthrise Barricade ever again, not because of the clear plastic, but because it's supposed to be a dead-easy transformation and somehow it's incredibly difficult to get it together.)

[@konstantinszelcs2766]

(And I've come to accept that fembots (must) always have back kibble. And I'm at peace with that.) (No, I do not hate the Earthrise Arcee.)

[@masterfarr8265]

i kinds like her more than Blackarachnia

[@konstantinszelcs2766]

(And I call this Arcee "Arcee II" just to differentiate her from G1 Arcee/the original Arcee.)

[@masterfarr8265]

@@konstantinszelcs2766 or Legarcee

[@DrLockdown]

Legercee works for me

[@insertnamehere2144]

Y’know when I first saw this thing. I had a eh opinion on it. Cause when compared to Bulkhead she didn’t really seem all that good. But after getting her alongside blaster I gotta say she makes a fun fiddle toy for someone like me. I also do enjoy the amount of options you get to customize her look. And for some reason no matter what pose I put her in she looks great. A nice 4/5 for me. Was not expecting to enjoy the ‘prime’ stuff as much as I do now tbh.

[@DrLockdown]

I think the new stuff looks great. Just not a fan of this one

[@insertnamehere2144]

Fair enough.

[@elxr9434]

As other characters it's a pretty decent mold I like road rocket but as an arcee I hate it because it is the antithesis of prime arcee it almost makes me hope they don't do a slipstream

[@boots5304]

Not sure if it's intentional or not, but Iguanus' robot feet can be unpegged and pointed down to make a kickstand on either side.

[@DrLockdown]

I'd prefer something more substantial personally

[@boots5304]

@@DrLockdown understandable, I'm just glad the functionality is there. Lackluster as it may be.

[@DrLockdown]

He's still a great little core class figure

[@boots5304]

@@DrLockdown I would have liked a wider range of neck articulation, but for the cost I am quite happy with how he turned out.

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah it's really posable for the size

[@hassanrao470]

The real deal breaker for me are those leg brackets… but at the same time the more reviews I see the more I want it. Still not enough to drop 25 bucks on it tho lol

[@DrLockdown]

The brackets really needed to collapse further

[@masterfarr8265]

shouldn’t it be the skywarp effect?

[@DrLockdown]

Nah because typically skywarp is based on an already good Starscream mould

[@masterfarr8265]

@@DrLockdown but he’s a black repaint of screamer who is always better

[@DrLockdown]

It's because the first observable case of it happening was between G2 Laser prime and rid scourge, aka car robots black convoy. These days nobody minds G2 Laser prime, but back then people thought it was hideous. As suck, scourge was seen as the 'fix' the mould needed. In G1, nobody ever complained about Starscream. These days he's considered one of the worst g1 toys, but not back then. The effect is named after its first ever occurance. I didn't come up with the name: I've seen it used occasionally around the fandom

[@TheBLUEM64]

Legarcee has issues but compared to earthcee it's an upgrade. (although if their technically different character's could you really call it an upgrade) I've recently realized I prefer the elastic of g1 so the look doesn't bother me. However, as a figure, I hate how my copy has a loose waist but it's fine for what I want. also, my I suggest for the blue pizza of doom for you to make her hold them at the bottm of her hands. I did this with mine and i can no longer imagen this figuer with out it. Love the bit at the beginning.

[@DrLockdown]

Yeah I saw that on twitter. Looks better, but still not a fan of them

[@leviticusprime4904]

I love the bulk head, this however it both pains me, and satisfies me. I like the bike mode, it just that even with the beast wars figures, there wasn’t to much of a difference between them and the original, except scorponak, but at least those guys got fairly show accurate toys, what do we prime fans get? A bulkhead while good is more like movie hound, a really good retool of 86 jazz for knockout, and this blurssed figure. I really hope a 3p company makes show accurate prime toys one day. But even then 3rd party figures are all about trying to make the best insert random g1 character here. I should be grateful but at the same time, I’m disappointed.

[@masterfarr8265]

can we get Flamewar

[@Randomguy1ism]

My opinion on Legacy Arcee is the same of Alpharad's on Sonic Forces: Aggresively Average. Not a good toy, not a bad toy, she's just neat.

[@ian1231100]

Are you picking up the new SS Arcee? I've fiddled with mine for a while, and I gotta say she's pretty decent.

[@DrLockdown]

The bumblebee one? Very much so. Didn't realise she was out though

[@ian1231100]

@@DrLockdown Well, she's out over here in Hong Kong, got her with BB Ironhide. Not sure if she's out in Australia though.

[@DrLockdown]

Nah Australia hasn't even gotten the last wave. We're still on kingdom waves 3 and 4. I tend to import from Singapore instead

[@raphaeldagamer]

I hate the way they are handling the Prime characters. G1 stylization eliminates part of what made them so likeable as characters to begin with. G1 is all boxes, so that means the Legacy Prime characters have none of the smooth curves, none of the sharp points, and they just feel like they were lacking in the creativity area when the characters were brought up and it was time to put pen to paper and think of something.

[@DrLockdown]

As much as I joke at the start, I don't really see this as 'g1'. It doesn't line up with anything from the 84 show, toys or comics. It does line up with WFC though, and it looks like WFC will be a catch-all going forward. I'm okay with the choice, except for arcee here. Just a single you failure for me, not a frustrating aesthetic

[@gwoingme]

Love the use of Hale & Pace

[@RevengeoftheBallen831]

I think the mold would be better if the leg wheels were removable and could be used as a Captain America-esq shield. They are the right shape.

[@Prime501]

This ones fineish ig. Honestly I'd prefer to see ROTB Core Arcee repainted blue woth a remolded head or something tho.

[@masterfarr8265]

maybe it’s meant to be an RID 2015 version

[@DrLockdown]

Concept art from the fan first event seems to display the contrary

[@jacosisaba]

For some reason I really like this mold. There is a ton of problems but it is so fun to mess with and I love the mix of G1 and Prime. I honestly thing the last few years, with WFC and SS, has been the best for transformers fans.

[@DrLockdown]

Oh definitely. We're living in a golden age of toy quality, even if the media is somewhat lacking

[@jacosisaba]

@@DrLockdown For sure, I love that we are getting releases of definitive versions of characters that all scale pretty well.

[@Alzeal07]

I think it's good but not buying it only for the alt mode scale

[@jasonx2808]

Ah yes, Flamewar. Loved so much she's only ever got three figures and none of them sold particularly well. Plus no third party figures despite the "love".

[@DrLockdown]

She's quite loved at the moment

[@KirkWilliamsIsBroken]

They did Prime Arcee dirty with this figure.

[@agavinshayt2399]

Here some recolour/retool of legacy arcee : 1.flame war 2.botcon trans mutate 3.road rocket 4.armada sideways(my favorite) 5.animated prowl

[@DrLockdown]

Well they are doing road rocket, according to leaks

[@coffeeinhandproductions3238]

3 stars feels about fair. On the list to buy to go alongside Legacy Bulkhead, and Knockout which I think are great. Owning FE from Prime though it wonderfully captures the look and character I've come to really dislike handling most Prime era toys due to how fickle the transformations are as well as thin the plastic is. For posing on a shelf though they're great. Legacy from what I have seen despite the complaints of clear plastic are still a lot more fun to play around with. Legacy Arcee definitely looks like the weakest entry looking nowhere near as clean as the original with the wheels just pegged onto the side but still looks serviceable and probably has the nicest bike mode since ROTF deluxe Arcee.

[@namorbot920]

I think she’s just… fine. Not great, but the parts I like balance the parts I don’t well enough. Now I’m interested to see if the alleged Road Rocket in the Velocitron subline might take the reins and do something phenominal, even though it’s still a step down from Flamewar

[@skytheguy2.0]

I really like this mold. Everyone can have their own opinions, and I understand the flaws, but I just really like this figure.

[@MrSwindle]

Im so mixed on the figure… but mine just feels like garbage … although she does look good next to other legacy figures

[@DicePunk]

I'm just wondering why you didn't go with "cycle-bots" or "bikeformers".

[@DrLockdown]

Bikeformers works, but cycle-bots seems a bit restrictive. What happens when you get to the decepticons?

[@DicePunk]

@@DrLockdown motocrons?

[@DrLockdown]

Eh. Seems a bit vague

[@DicePunk]

@@DrLockdown Bikecepticons lol

[@DicePunk]

Please ignore me now, this is all garbage.

[@SylviaMoonbeam1127]

While I personally hope we get a Flame War, I still love my Arcee as she is. Yeah, her hips/back don’t plug in on mine, and yeah the light piping is lame, and yeah the partsforming and weapons are meh… but she’s also a damn decent fembot! I actually didn’t really like Blackarachnia that much, finding her inarticulate spider legs more a waste of plastic that constantly get in the way. And Kingdom/Earthrise Arcee was… oof. I liked Air Razor, but she didn’t have the same level of nostalgia to me since I didn’t grow up with Beast Wars. I came into the fandom at Armada. Which means that Cyberverse Arcee (which has serious plastic yellowing wtf?!) and the Cyberverse Slipstreams were the last “good” fembots I picked up that I had a connection to. This Legacy Arcee felt like a step back in a way, but a step back to the Cyberverse figures I adore. And I can’t be too mad about that

[@windowbewbs9064]

Imo, this is the weakest figure from Legacy so far, in competition with Knockout. Its a shame, because Bulkhead is actually not horrible (even though I would vastly prefer a show accurate Bulkhead), meanwhile the other two have fallen flat on their faces for me. I’ll say it again though, thank god for APC toys.

[@DrLockdown]

I do want to get some APC stuff, but I don't have the cash at the moment

[@lorinshadow]

@@DrLockdown if you can even find it holy hell is it hard to get now

[@bingbongtoysKY]

no way!!! the head sculpt is fantastic!!! it just has a nose! ahhh! no! a nose!!!😂 seriously, the lack of noses was the only thing I didn't like about Prime or 2015 rid! and when the glorious Cyberverse came! I was so happy to see noses❤

[@hyperionthundermain]

I like this figure, but it's through the filter of: -Prime Arcee aways had a massive backpack -motorcycle transformers are HARD -this is clearly a pretool. That said, my copy was misassembled in the package. Her spine was on backwards, and it took me forever to figure out why it wouldn't transform.

[@DrLockdown]

Damn. I'm hearing of more and more QC issues in this comment section

[@hyperionthundermain]

@@DrLockdown fortunately, all I had to do was pop it out and flip it over, buts it's the first time I've ever had something like that happen that didn't effect every copy

[@cartkart1]

I am so excited for Elita 1! She looks incredible!

[@DrLockdown]

That she does. I just hope she feels as good as she looks. That engineering had better work well

[@o.8.p149]

I mean I got this figure and I like it I mean it’s a bad Prime Arcee definitely but I do like it for what it is

[@DrLockdown]

I reckon it could've done this new aesthetic justice with crisper plastic and less egregious leg kibble, but ah well

[@reyonXIII]

Very interesting that you've compared compared the darkhorse status of this figure to TR Arcee. Because, like with TR Arcee, I also see the brilliance she has, but quality-wise, now I'm on the fence about getting her....albeit not AS her. The potential Flamewar redeco would have been better for this, but I kinda wanna get this mostly to emulate a custom by someone into Animated Prowl, using the Beast Hunters Prowl head. But I'm honestly not sure if I like her enough to do that project. For now, she's not a must-get, much less than Bulkhead, and far less than Iguanus and the Wave 2 Deluxes. I still have my FE Deluxe one, and there's the APC one if I REALLY need a new Prime Arcee. And to scratch my Animated Prowl itch, aside from my Elite Guard Prowl, I'm sitting on a deal for Legends Groove. I've been debating whether I extend my narrow leeway for sizeshifting (only slight size adjustment to match vehicle size, definitely doesn't apply for the Micro Change and Triple Changer guys) for bikeformers, but at least, I'll have a nice Legends/non-sizeshifting bikeformer to stand in as that ninja Prowl.

[@DrLockdown]

With titans return arcee, I love the look of her, but most people I talk to think she's the worst on the market

[@reyonXIII]

@@DrLockdown Such is indeed the resistance I frequently come across whenever I sing praises of what she represents (a template for future carforming Arcees, fully separated from trying to emulate the G1 design), even if I myself have SOME problems with her looks (e.g. Titan Master legs making the head side a bit unsightly, even for the design, but I'm designing some tiny pla plate pieces to stick to them to make them look better w/o compromising TM functionality). As you said, they don't see the brilliance beneath the surface, and merely look at her as a Blurr remold, as if that somehow completely disqualifies her potential as a better direction for fembots.

[@DrLockdown]

It's not that they don't see it. It's that they've got different criteria for what constitutes 'good'

[@reyonXIII]

There are some where I discern that and I hold nothing against them (but it's harder to do so if they put ERcee over this, but that's still their choice and I can't take that from them). But sometimes, some just plain balk at the idea that lessons could be learned from TRcee for future designs. Lessons that, ironically, Legacy Elita have taken to heart (back forming the legs)

[@needsmoretacos4807]

I like the legacy prime arcee. I also have the first edition arcee which is pretty much perfect so I don't want another rehash of the exact same design. Again that's me personally and relates to my collection. Why I think the wfc g1 stuff makes sense is that it updates the g1 toys with modern engineering and design. Both of those things are already present in the original prime toys. Again that's all very personal to me and I cam empathize why people what an update of the original prime design

[@DrLockdown]

I don't mind the aesthetic itself. Bulkhead is great and knockout looks pretty neat. It's mostly that arcee doesn't do it well in my books

[@needsmoretacos4807]

@@DrLockdown fair assessment

[@soundwavegamer2321]

I’m on the ropes with this figure as it seems decent and I really do want a Prime Arcee, but it’s because they made it a pre tool that keeps me away. Don’t get me wrong it looks fine, but to me Prime Arcee was one of the best incarnations of her character she was head strong, a good fighter, and sassy as *beep* honestly she was one of my favorite characters in Prime mainly because she was broken she had been a soldier for so long and both of her partners were dead she loses so much and it shows she has an unhealthy obsession with killing Black Arachnia to the point she would risk everything just to kill her and it made sense she killed her partner someone she trusted with all her Spark without remorse and all because she wanted to watch Arcee squirm, but at least the show acknowledged that her need for revenge often times isn’t good and leads to worst things happening. Look most people will say Windblade is better and that’s their opinion even if it’s wrong which is. All sarcasm aside I never could get into the character of Windblade she just didn’t blend well for me I didn’t like her in RID I thought she was meh in Cyberverse and her comics well I never touched the IDW stuff as manga and LN don’t buy themselves. With that all return to the figure besides I have more important things to buy like Black Zarak and his companion piece Ricochet (I think that his name)

[@DrLockdown]

Black riroritchi. Ricochet is the jazz redeco.

[@donnaroman2727]

Regardless I think she’s still cool looking and the bike is just as good. Hopefully Toyhax makes a cool label set. My only gripe is the wheels on the side instead of the back of her legs

[@DrLockdown]

For me, I'm not going to bother with toyhax. I won't upgrade a figure I don't like. Too much of a hassle