Legacy Trashmaster: Have you Seen the Concept Art?

[@danielmedela8725]

The mess of colors is actually very appropiate for a Junkion... they just pieced him together of parts of different vehicles. But yeah, the missing forks is sad. And, I´ve seen in Instagram some psycho that actually made a combine mode with only 1 Trashmaster, 1 Crashbar and 1 Axlegrease.

[@Cdr2002]

The Junkion weaponizers are literally just referred to by Hasbro as Junkions and that’s enough to justify them coming apart officially

[@just_a_random_viewer8884]

5:34 I knew i wasn't the only person who realized this hopefully there will be a upgrade kit that can fix that.

[@Anonymous_ButNot]

Now I want a junkion faction symbol, that would be super cool

[@russellharrell2747]

A mustache and goatee. No face, just the mustache and goatee.

[@TinyRobotED-tm9rs]

That would be great

[@IMosuGoji]

I think the official one is a recycle symbol

[@dialNforNinja]

You can use the two forkless hydraulic strut pieces from one of the arm ports to the front wheel blocks to hold them wheels-forward like Rhinox's guns, to add a third bruiser bro to the set. I've seen pictures (don't know if they were actual photos or a digibash) of him done up in brown and green and gold as a pre-beast mode Rhinox, even. Worked pretty well, though the brown was a little too dark for full marks.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Oh yeah, man that makes so much sense, I can totally see this as an On Cybertron Rhinox.

[@MitchBam]

I prefer the concept art Color’s, it’d really make him stand out and seem more special than the other Junkions. Like he’s the big boss of all the legacy Junkions. I can picture him fighting Wreck-Gar for leadership every 5 minutes and somehow losing every time.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Same. These colors though well broken up, are fairly boring.

[@duoconprime2057]

I got this figure last month for my Birthday and I love him. Also, thanks A lot. That cursed Knuckles comic is something that will forever be glued within the inner cortex of my brain!!!

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I actually used to Follow the comic that first showed up in, so Nipples the Enchilada is glued into my brain more than most.

[@finalbossgamer5481]

I saw the orange, red, and grey garbage truck and the first thing that came to my mind was Animated Wreck-Gar, and i kinda wish they had done that instead.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I'm sure someone will do an upgrade kit.

[@Nolans_Stop_Motions_reviews_YT]

This should be repainted/remolded into Salvage from Rescue Bots.

[@aidenmb7932]

This is one of those figures that i want but i keep putting off on buying, and i know its gonna bite me in the ass eventually

[@RHM087]

I do find Trashmaster's Weaponizing works great with Detritus - legs as boots, the lift arms as armor to fill out the front of the lower legs, the halves of the front of the truck as shoulder pads, and the claw weapon used as I usually use it, as a double-bladed weapon on the side of the arm (which does stick out a fair way but that's the way it's sculpted)

[@justawiltingheadofcabbage]

Another one I've been waiting for. Thanks, as always

[@KodyCrimson]

Really hoping they turn this into Salvage from Rescue Bots. Same with making Bulkhead into Heatwave so Chase has some allies.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Can't say that I know the character, but if it would make people happy sure.

[@KodyCrimson]

@@PerspectiveEnd He's an alright character. I saw RB for the first time a few months back, he didn't get enough screentime. Good show though, surprisingly. Helped it had actually good humans on both sides.

[@shockwave191]

Honestly I just wish Hasbro would give us more of a variety of different vehicles, this the third time we get a garbage truck transformer. And then afterwards it’s the same plan, tanks, and cars

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Yeah, considering how normal a vehicle it is, you'd expect them to do it more often.

[@emo_link]

A junkion being a garbage truck. Eh that checks out. But Trashmaster *IS* the only real kibble-filled junkion so far

[@rhyperiorhunter7339]

I swear when I look at this all I can hear is Danny Devito

[@Shockblade95]

finally brother realizes he can pose the toy in the thumbnail

[@jamescoleman5020]

Funny he looks like Crunch from Mighty Orbots.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

They do have some Similarities.

[@stickyfingers1156]

i got jumpscared by how quick the intro was

[@MassterF]

Just the type of video I need when I feel shitty. Thanks PE!

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Happy to provide. Hope it helped.

[@MassterF]

@@PerspectiveEnd Ofc it did. By the way, are you ever gonna make another one of those Christmas Recommendation videos again? I know we’re already into December, but I wanted to know if they’ll ever be back, since they’re really helpful.

[@nfortyeight]

Here’s a fun thing you can do when posing him 1) have him bend down and run forward as if he’s about to use his head to ram into something 2) attach his little chomper hand to his back ports 3) flip the back flap upwards -Head can’t bend all the way forwards btw 4) profit -imagine getting chased by this guy

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I suppose that would make the accessory somewhat useful.

[@Prowl_32]

Hasbro did make a Junkion badge

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Really? What does it look like?

[@Prowl_32]

@@PerspectiveEnd never mind turns out the badge that I saw online was just a fan made one but the fan made one looks pretty cool it’s like the auto bot logo but mix with wreck-guard Head

[@kurtdrehwing5552]

Great review! Honest & detailed.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Thank you! Glad you appreciated so much.

[@KoopTroop15]

hate how only the legs come apart but I like everything else about him

[@spyredrum3447]

I actually love the mish mash of colors cause it gives off the vibe that trashmaster was built diy style

[@PerspectiveEnd]

The problem I have is that, yes it does look like that, but it's clearly all one vehicle so I think it works better if he's got mismatching components.

[@ATaylor9223]

This combines two of my favorite things garbage Trucks and TransFormers..especially him being a Mack style front loader ...missed opportunity with the forks/dual swords

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Isn't transformers usually trucks?

[@TFfangeek]

Epic review PerspectiveEnd!!! When I first saw Trashmaster, I thought he was a new figure of Heatwave from Transformers Rescue Bots, since his alt mode looked more like a firetruck then a garbage truck. lol Keep on being amazing.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Thank you so much. And I do see what you mean by it looking more like a fire truck.

[@TFfangeek]

@@PerspectiveEnd You're welcome. Thank you too. I wonder if Heatwave will be the first repaint/retool of Trashmaster?

[@ghostlybeannie]

Take a shot every time Perspective says 'Concept art' in this video

[@PerspectiveEnd]

You'll have like 5 shots in 10 minutes.

[@supersonicmario56]

There's a version of the combined Junkasaurus by someone of the name Speedfreak01 where Axel Grease isn't needed. They've even made some pretty clever alternate combined versions: Armored Trashmaster, Junkion Godzilla (Junkzilla), and a Junkion elephant (Trashtodon).

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Who was the person who made these?

[@supersonicmario56]

@@PerspectiveEnd If you're talking about the guy posting tutorials of Speedfreak's customs, it's Bot Bender Orinj. He has his own channel full of random transformer combinations.

[@DaLegoMan.]

With the faction badge they could re release the og weaponizers with some retooling and the badge for the people that couldnt get them when they were released! Love the videos mr End

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Oh my god. That would be brilliant and Evil. Figures now with Faction Badges at a Mark Up. And thank you.

[@TheGravityAxe]

I store the Jaw on his back... gives him rabbit ears.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

An interesting idea. Though it does mean the butt flap has to stay where it is.

[@MightyMecha]

There’s a combined mode that dosen’t require axel grease, it’s by speed freak and it uses the 3 main junkions with all parts included

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Interesting I didn't know that.

[@j-sant-animations8105]

If you unshroom the arms and ditch all the garbage parts, you get a wicked mad max flatnosed truck. And now with all the parts on, I can’t unsee it as a flatnose with an engine taking the entirety of the back half of the truck

[@papersamurai00]

Exkaiser? Lionizer? Jazzercizer? ...Now I want a Jazz-weapinizer to give that name too.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

A Jazzercizer would be fun.

[@louking9045]

Yeah just be a bit cautionary with crash bar I accidentally cracked one of the ports on his shoulder because I was trying to combine them with other weaponizers

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Really? Thanks for the warning!

[@superpixelwarrior6893]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he got retooled into animated bulkhead

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Nor would I.

[@xavierwalko4175]

The utter insanity you made in this was amazing

[@PerspectiveEnd]

What parts stand out as particularly insane to you?

[@xavierwalko4175]

@@PerspectiveEnd The mashup forms

[@isuckatusernames4297]

the fact it took us this long to get a junkion combiner who's main gimmick is partsforming.

[@Harrier343]

A Daniel vs The Cooler Daniel situation

[@randomguywholikesstuff6536]

I have him, and he's great to me. The head can come off easily, revealing a hole that is 5mm compatible

[@dangipson5504]

Perspective, I need your help, I'm currently trying to get the 86 ultra magnus but none are selling him for his original price, Amazon is no longer selling him, he's sold out on bbts, I'm not going to drop an extra 40-50 dollars using Walmart or ebay, and the only one who's selling him for regular price that isn't sold out is hasbro pulse, and I'm not trusting them to deliver it. But while trying to find others I came across the cmd store, which is selling him for just 5 extra bucks, and I'm asking you if you have prior experience using them, or know of how they are, or anyone else who does to tell me if they are a trustworthy site that won't take 2-3 business years for it to deliver. Also is legacy galvatron just the same as kingdom galvatron?

[@MiguelR2006]

It would have made sense to make Trash master into a leader class because of the concept art.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

That could have been really cool.

[@ashervoss5398]

I am drooling at that concept art

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I KNOW RIGHT!!!

[@SalooBC]

personally I like to split the butt plate in 2 and put it behind the shoulders and then put the weapon on the back so the grey bits poke up behind the head

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Funny someone else JUST mentioned that like 2 comments ago.

[@thexivthlegion1713]

The ankle tilts on mine just do not work cause of how unbelievably tight they are

[@INSIDEVIEWOFYOURMOTHER77]

That's exactly what she said.

[@15oClock]

I only just discovered that they named a character Trashmaster and I need to process that.

[@goldenfoxy1982]

Personally, I like adding the accessories on the shoulder ports on him and having been garbage truck pieces which are clearly missing an accessory on the inside of them to look like it's doing over her shoulders as armor, it also makes him look much more like a chunky ass fuck in my opinion.

[@theguywiththegoatee7801]

I found a velociraptor combined mode on reddit for scraphook and crashbar that is so dumb it has come almost 180 back to being really cool. Which is kinda these guys whole thing, really. That is how i will be keeping those two until i get a trashmaster and they release a different colored crashbar. Also, for some reason target got a recolor of scraphook called Tow-Line that looks perfectly at home with the toxitron figures. Kind of a scooby doo meets mad max looking fellow

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I saw that too, it's pretty fun looking. Got some Horizon vibes.

[@Dinosaur_News_Center]

There was this 3rd party Megatron from 2022 or 2021 where he came with accessories to form a super mode. These accessories can then be used in his alt mode to create all kinds of configurations to make different alt modes. It was so cool. These Junkions reminds me of that figure some what. It lets you use your imagination and go wild with the modes.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Which Megatron are you talking about?

[@Dinosaur_News_Center]

@@PerspectiveEnd TFC Toys Tyrant.

[@aaroncheda1680]

Question of the comments, do you think this will be repainted to either Animated wreck-gar or rescue bot salvage? I’m personally on the side of Salvage.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I can definitely see them doing that, though I don't know if he's likely to be.

[@gleamingcolt]

I feel like they might retool this figure into a rescue bots heatwave, i mean I hope they do

[@TheBudgieKing]

My copy ended up getting smited by the QC gremlin, and out of the box he had the worst joint tolerences, and the softer plastics were all warped... It took about 3 hours of work, and half a bottle of superglue to tighten the joints to a point that they actually were usable Then again i also cant really complain, as i did get mine for free, as hasbro customer service sent it as a "replacement" for my broken BwB Towline...

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Sounds like yours got shipped from a Florida Parking lot. Sorry to hear that. I mean if you BwB Towline is broke, and your Trashmaster is Trash, then I think you have every right to complain.

[@ATaylor9223]

The concept art was so much better omg and another missed opportunity they could've gave him his hydrolic forks for the posts at the end that attached and 5:39 disattached to become dual swords his missing his forks

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Yeah the concept are ruled this is OK.

[@anthonyanderson2108]

Hi perspectiveend how are you? Will you do legacy dreadwing? I just wanted to ask. I am sorry

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I'm doing good. I haven't seen a Dreadwind in stores yet, though I can say I don't really think I'll pick it up, the review would be pretty much the same between him and his brother. Even if it has slightly nicer colors.

[@iamnotme9995]

When I first saw the product shots of Trashmaster i thought he had an American WW1 helmet on which would have looked sick and it is a shame they didn’t add that

[@PerspectiveEnd]

What made you think it looked like a Miliatary helmet?

[@iamnotme9995]

@PerspectiveEnd My terrible eyesight

[@shadyreligiousleader]

This guy kinda seems like if animated wreck-gar dropped the weird al stuff and went to join mad max. The concept art makes me wonder if this was a legacy animated wreck-gar at some point

[@robertj.3383]

You need another Crashbar to tab the legs together. But the legs need to be identical.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

That's what I figured.

[@confusedshovel1232]

the concept art color palette was such a missed opportunity for trashmaster. Still looking forward to the figure tho

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Yeah, they had such a clear goal for him, it's unfortuante.

[@cyranantone8430]

Remember? KZbin refuses to notify me about these videos anymore, I guess my drooling over GTA 6 is taking over my fyp

[@PerspectiveEnd]

O course I remember me boyo, twas but not that long eh'go that twe met... Why the Duck did I decide to be Irish for that. Fyp? And you know that you can prune that right? Removing vids from your watch history will get your regular recommends back.

[@cyranantone8430]

@@PerspectiveEnd for you page?

[@i_like_anim]

I'm not the hugest fan on the back kibble stopping the leg movement but it's my favorite junkion

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Yeah that part is pretty annoying, but the rest of it is pretty good.

[@SkyLynx8888-ut6gq]

eh i don't care for this but that concept art is the most Badass transformer ever! but story i went to my local store yesterday to get snarl, but it turns out that my family were going to get it for me as a gift for the 25th, so i improvised and got SS primal(he just released for me) and i think you should get it, it feels amazing, the plastic feels oddly satisfying for me and he is just fun i definitely think you'll like him if you get him

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I know right? Like the Concept art is what this should have been. Sorry to hear you now know what a Christmas Gift is going to be, but hey glad you are enjoying primal.

[@MrFedoraFilm]

Wow, his concept art 0:32 design does look cooler. But I like the figure as it is anyways. This Junkion garbage truck looks cool and I'm glad to add Trashmaster to my Junkion collection. -From Trashman to Trashmaster, yeah I got Danny Devito's voice "I'm the Trashman" stuck in my head when I see Trashmaster.

[@HereAlex]

For some reason when I put those same blast effects on mine the papi t started coming off on one of the knuckle blaster things :(. So just a small warning to anyone else out there in case that’s with all of them. Also, I know the listings for next years legacy line have been leaked but I do hope we get a repaint /remold for both trash master and crash bar Especially when the evo poster showed at least two different designs/repaints for crash bar

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Wait there's paint on the Fists? Yeah I saw that too, but at this point I think it was just artistic license.

[@HereAlex]

@@PerspectiveEnd I think so, because I only have the purple blast effects and when I took one off there was orange left behind. And so far I had only used those with the “outside” to connect and not the inside. Unless I did, which equally terrifies as to which junkion is losing point But yeah, I figured it was just artistic liberty. Upsetting none the less

[@josevelador4156]

Who else thought when his prototype was leaked was animated wreck gar

[@tbonejenkins8807]

Tines? he don't need no stinking tines, just a micromaster to pick up the garbage and throw it in the back. Of course then he doesn't need the dumb arm thingys to lift the nonexistent tines either, but if you attach them at the back instead of the front, they make a nice shaped sillouette of what I think of as a garbage truck shape.

[@insertcringynamehere6554]

Oh yeah this is probably going to be remolded into salvage from rescue bots and I guarantee that’s where most of his weird quirks come from

[@PerspectiveEnd]

You are not the first to suggest this and it does make sense.

[@michaelpapp5518]

0:31 Kevin Michael Richardson? I’m pretty sure he voiced Bulkhead and at least one series.

[@losisansgaming2628]

0:36 thats just animated wreckgar. But yes he also looks perfect for danny devito

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

The concept art looks more like this guy’s Shattered Glass version. Better than the Insecticon colors that were slapped on the actual SG Junkions

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Really? What makes you say it looks SG?

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

@@PerspectiveEnd Mainly the ochre and purple in contrast to the traditional Junkion brown, tan, and red.

[@EnderMaster707]

The scraphook front make buss

[@PerspectiveEnd]

There are also flat faced busses.

[@VenomFox1-sk5xu]

I put decepticon logos on mine for his vehicle mode so he matches detritus

[@PerspectiveEnd]

It's weird that they gave Detritus both.

[@VenomFox1-sk5xu]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Guess he's a mercenary and a weapons dealer so maybe that has something to do with it. Gotta get energon somehow

[@simonobrien5166]

So u now that one character from rescue bots… united retool when

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I know not the character you speak of.

[@ignitedmotion5807]

What if you mount the fork onto the wheels does that help?

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Mount them where in what context?

[@ignitedmotion5807]

Front wheels

[@dedalionarts6077]

Over all, I think this guy is quite solid. And granted, I can agree that this was so close to been a good garbage truck, but even with out the forks, I think it's still quite good. And as for the question of the video ... Who so you think Hasbro gonna retool this guy in to first ? Animated Wreckgar? Or Rescue bots Salvage ? And whitch one you would like more ?

[@nitrostormskystriker478]

I'm betting on Salvage

[@josiaharaki7310]

Regarding the combiner, Don't you have two scrapbooks? Alternatively, don't you have towline? Anyway, any thoughts on what SS86 commander Optimus will need to justify the price?

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I've never taken the other out of the box, because I felt guilty about it. It'll need to be a new mold. It'll need to be bigger than Commander Rodimus by a head, and it will need a much bigger trailer, with all the gimmicks it's supposed to have. Spring Loaded gimmicks would be cool too.

[@moosiefate]

Thanks for the review. Any chance you’ll do a Christmas recommends for this year?

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I plan to.

[@0pt1tr0nD27]

I don’t feel to much of a need to get this one, but I still think it’s cool.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

And that's fine, I won't tell you to run out and grab it.

[@yonderjam]

Here's every main Evolution figure that still needs a video (* means retools, partial or full): Grimlock Scarr Swoop Snarl Breakdown* (I don't even think Spoiler Wild Rider here needs a video unless it's a full menasor review due to the minimal retooling) Shrapnel Axlegrease* Devcon Bombshell Detritus Shit-ow Striker (I doubt a review would happen because why does the mold look terrible) Strongarm-Minus-One* (same as shadow striker, but worse since the character was terrible and she's just an Elita One retool) Metalhawk* Bludgeon* (Everyone else is a repaint or exclusive)

[@sabre1080]

He looks like Bulkhead, if Bulkhead joined the Los Locos gang.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Holy Shit was that a Short Circuit 2 Reference?

[@sabre1080]

Heck yea it is. Lol Los locos kik ur azz, Los Locos kik ur face, Los locos kik ur ballz into OUTER SPAAAACE!!!

[@smol_robo6146]

Hey so good news! You don't need axle grease to make the combine mode, for theirs a fan made combine mode where it makes the 3 autobot junkions into a junkasuarsues T-rex

[@TinyRobotED-tm9rs]

Bulkhead, is that you?

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Here's a Hint. CHOMP.

[@BertoBoi]

I like that this guy turns into a garbage truck, even if its a bit bad. Studio Series DOTM Garbagebot when?

[@Megs_the_gamer]

In the concept that kind looks like if Optimus prime had a brother and he was based on mad Max

[@domydomy6668]

I quite like this guy solid figure. I learned this really cool configeration that requires this,crashbar and scrapbook that combines them into a Tyrannosaurus rex by bot bender orinj.

[@Dualbladedscorpion7737]

Oh interms of weapons he can transform into would be a transformers equilvilent to DOOM 2016's BFG. I'm not joking here you know how you can use SS ROTF jetfire's torso as a massive canon? Similar concept here really just use half of trash master's truck mode as a massive canon with using those lift arms as handles and the claw weapon as the barrel end of it. As for the legs... Steel toe boots and the front bumper shoulder pads or some peice of armor

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Do you have a picture, cause I'm having a hard time envisioning this?

[@raphgreene8532]

Rescue bots reference? With these transformers I’m sure the designers wanted to go haywire on the details but get cut down by budget restraints. He just seems like a fun figure

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Did I make a Rescue Bots Reference?

[@raphgreene8532]

@@PerspectiveEnd oh no trashmaster was a well - trashmaster gone haywire in one of the episodes. Sry for the confusion I meant the transformer

[@starlaleroux1926]

man it looks cool

[@PerspectiveEnd]

It does look pretty cool.

[@zenerstorm95]

I'm kind of glad they didn't go with the concept art in this case, it just looks too busy to me. It doesn't look bad by any means, just a little too crowded. If it was for a Commander Class? Oh yeah, I'd be all over it, but for a Voyager? Yeeeeah, nah.

[@RileyCabacar]

have you seen transformers combaticons by Keyan Charlie its very good if so what's your favorite charecter and what's your favorite design becuase I really like onslaught in the show

[@ReaperRedeemer2112]

You can make a decent looking Junkasaurus with just one Scraphook, hell, imo it looks better without Axelgrease cause the purple doesnt match the Junkion color palatte anyway.

[@TruelyGumdrop]

They’ve gotta use that concept art for another junkion

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Doubt that will ever happen.

[@TruelyGumdrop]

@@PerspectiveEnd we can only hope

[@DPTHCRG]

Honestly, the only reason I even remotely want the Legacy Junkions is for Junkasaurus, not saying that the figures are bad to me, they just don't really appeal to me personally, also yes I'm still waiting for Depth Charge, and yes I'm turning me waiting for a Depth Charge into a running gag

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I understand that. I think they are fun, but I can see why they aren't for everyone.

[@e.sage-47]

Sheesh

[@awesomeguy9513]

This guy spins nice but feels like the first designer had such a cool colour concept but was moved to a different project and the second guy saw junkion and just slapped that default skin on the figure, the vehicle seems to be more of bulkhead but mad max instead of garbage truck due to the flaws. The combined mode is neat but the mostly unified colours kinda needs 2 scraphooks and crashbars to get a unified color layout

[@PerspectiveEnd]

I 100% feel you on that.

[@Ms.Ronloodle]

To be honest, the only retool I see from this guy is Animated Wreck-Gar.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Yeah I can see that, maybe a weird Bulkhead.

[@DarrenLee73]

Speaking of robots that transform into garbage trucks,Hasbro update Gobot Flytrap please.

[@MC_73]

Rescue Bot Salvage retool…?

[@robertj.3383]

Junkions didn't have faction symbols on the original show. They shouldn't even be wearing Autobot or Decepticon symbols.

[@PerspectiveEnd]

But they are a faction, and Faction Symbols are cool. So it would be cool if they had their own.

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

I might buy one if he ever gets repainted in his concept colors. Otherwise, Trashmaster is a pretty easy pass for me. This toy clearly isn’t bad, it’s just that Transformers are so expensive these days I really can’t afford to buy something that doesn’t fill a hole in my collection.

[@HamManReviews]

I thought he felt like a unicron trilogy figure, I like him and the rest of em. but I agree he aint a great weaponizer

[@PerspectiveEnd]

Literally all they had to do was get the knees closer together and he'd have been fine.