The People Vs. The Last of Us Part 2 - A Messy Story, Fan Outrage & A Very Naughty Dog (Review)

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[@ubisoftcaveira8303]

The Last of Us Part II 4 million......

[@Slyarno2795]

It goes on to receive one of the worst games of 2020.

[@baskkev7459]

They are going after things on the game that are false. The sjw hate is real, your fellow KZbinrs have said it was forced, bad etc. And they hate it because you do play as a different hero. It never said on the tin that it was a game you play as person x.... Hell all the marketing showed clearly what was going to happen. They are right about 1 thing... The story.. The writing is new star wars movie bad. But all the trolls and bigots who gave it a 1 are wrong. But so are the 10 out of 10 critics. Game wise it's a 9 for sure. Story wise a 5. So let's call it a weak 7 or a strong 6 out of 10.

[@heathmcgee1599]

What about people not being able to return their day one copies and not being able to trade in games at GameStop all of a sudden?

[@bossalinedezz]

THE LAST OF TRANS PART 2 🤢🤮 YOUR'RE A SHILL !!

[@jimcanterak7349]

"...no one loves these characters more than we do" "So anyways I started golfing"

[@avallonemuzic5732]

😂😂😂

[@interceptingfist5682]

This is honestly the first good golf joke I've read.

[@etam8099]

LMAO🤣🤣🤣

[@strakk]

the memes are the best

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Cringey.

[@ItBeNolanTho]

They wanted the story to be so much about hate that people literally hated the game. They nailed it

[@MigjolVanMjol]

Top ten anime plot twists

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

Exactly, that's why it's the greatest story ever.

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

@Chase Jordan exactly.

[@billysanderson4921]

@Chase Jordan dunning kruger effect in action people!

[@billysanderson4921]

@Ali Shabbiri People who Imply Others are Stupid are Usually Insecure About Their Own Intelligence lmao

[@stefaniverson2739]

“The Last of Us is about these two characters specifically.” *plays half the game as Abby*

[@justyouraveragefluff2298]

Lil more than half it feels like

[@Naim-Lest]

yep that's why this game is called "You lied to us"

[@harrynguyen2503]

Pretty sure he was talking about the 1st game

[@ReckSaber3664]

@@harrynguyen2503 he was talking about the first game. These people dont listen

[@harrynguyen2503]

@@ReckSaber3664 more specifically they only like to listen to what they wanna hear

[@sealstorm1935]

Older Games: "Oh, can't wait to play this game." Newer Games: "Oh, can't wait to see how they fuck this one up."

[@hollowman9410]

Cyberpunk 2077, Fallout 76. Atom heart, I don't think it's going to be bad, but my expectations are low (I have learned my lesson).

[@ArberArapi]

@@hollowman9410 that aged well

[@edwardsanchez3708]

Same for tv show reboots and remakes

[@johnathonjackson7343]

Bro I feel you there I literally can't get excited for new games anymore because I'm always expecting the worst by these big money hungry companies. The only games thatre actually good to play are passion project games that have just a couple of creators.

[@Riqq44]

@@hollowman9410 holy shit this aged well 😭💀

[@billbillinger2117]

" Never douse the flames when your enemy is a dumpster fire" - Sun Tzu probably

[@Bagginsess]

"Never interupt your enemy when they're making a mistake." Napolean

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

"Prepare for war if you want peace." - Mickey Mouse.

[@Happy3D]

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take . " -ᵂᵃʸⁿᵉ ᴳʳᵉᵗᶻᵏʸ -Michael Scott

[@fakebunny1272]

"quoting famous people alone wont be enough to heal the world from this SJW pandemic" me

[@Dancan799]

yudhi adhyatmiko siswono That wouldn’t surprise me

[@slicerneons3300]

Oh boy 53 minutes? This is where the fun begins...

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Hello there

[@Kell_Craask]

Game time started.

[@CelestialFalkon]

@@mercenarygundam1487 General Kenobi!

[@aidanassenov6640]

CelestialFalkon You are a bold one

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

You've obviously never seen a Plinkett review

[@janistheflowzion]

Its like killing Mario and then the game is about Luigi taking revenge but suddently you play Bowser and the game wants you to understand him and then you have to beat the shit out of Luigi with Bowser lol

[@twomo1]

Not quite, cause people have come to know and love bowser and he's an already established character. It would more like they kill mario, you play as Luigi, and then they bring in an entirely new and foreign character who has a tumultuous history with the Bros. that the creators pulled out their "warp-pipes.

[@carrymywill]

But mario killed bowser's dad..& bowser got revenge on mario. . Luigi is weak.. so that's why bowser its beating the shit out of Luigi lol

[@carrymywill]

But fans will say. We love mario. He cant die.. heroes need to survive always.... but this game went into reality for a second.. . Just cause his main character Doesnt mean he will be immortal..

[@skeleex]

@@carrymywill Yes but that kinda ruins the point of a game called super mario brothers doesnt it?

[@dimensionlesss]

I would play this lol

[@11us31]

"Its a story about right and wrong written by people who think they're always right" - A Japanese fan

[@Ol_eg]

there is no wrong or right in this game at all, just people who have their own point of view on the situation sorry for my English

[@_Yohanan]

Why do they "think they're always right"?... I'm honestly confused... the game is very morally ambiguous.

[@rupertacuesta]

@@_Yohanan that's very true, but Joel's decision has been made; he moves on with it.

[@7331warrior]

Jokeré i think that’s the point of an ambiguous story of moral.

[@7331warrior]

I agree with you, it shows how an apocalypse changes people of all backgrounds to think they are in the right or what they convince themself to do for self preservation.

[@Majima_8]

neil: some people won't like the game and that's ok some fans: we didn't like the game neil: you hate female characters and you are racists we don't want you to buy our games

[@dragonslayerornstein387]

Yup saw that live on my twitter feed.

[@vash_the_stampede6570]

*WhaT a tWisT*

[@sirgorash5704]

Neil the Hypocrite

[@Andrew-fq7pu]

Neil is Randy Hickey in In My Name is Earl, when Randy develops a crush on the cat lady but is allergic to cats, and Earl tries to talk sense into him. It isn't pretty. The only difference is, Randy never told a story as stupid as Neil tells in TLOU2.

[@Brando0406]

@@megjenb as opposed to the majority who have legit criticisms of the game, those few people that you're talking about don't really matter.

[@mixichip]

Isn't it sad that Joel's flashback cutscenes feel more alive than the characters throughout the rest of the game?

[@vr-vik5660]

You are right Mixi, Mixi!! The story father and daughter was so amazing in the original TLOU....That's the way it should have been in the sequel.......But instead players are forced to play with Abby!

[@solofade7524]

@@vr-vik5660 I really enjoyed playing as abby. Speak for yourself

[@nexus.accounts]

@The Bounty Hunters people like you are the reason the world is a dark place

[@vr-vik5660]

@@solofade7524 Congratulations mate, good for you.....Abby will continue being an awful character for the ages to come...!!

[@vyrenvygolo2429]

@@vr-vik5660 I enjoyed smashing people as Abby. I couldnt care less for anyone in the game. I wish the cutscenes where skipable it would have made the game better.

[@johnroyal4054]

Joels character certaintly is left open minded

[@greysonmartina8492]

John Royal 🤣🤣🤣

[@greysonmartina8492]

Too soon man :p

[@ULTIMATEGOOSE01]

oof

[@TzarBomb]

I see what you did there.

[@namelessbeanie423]

Man I hate you for making me laugh at Joel’s death. But also, very clever.

[@aznfattass]

"fans of the first one, trust us" bro, you couldnt even get people who never played the first one to ever trust you again.

[@assman7218]

The only way ND can recover some trust is with both Amy Hennig and Bruce Straley returning. Sadly I don't really think that's possible.

[@aleksiheija8170]

@@assman7218 AND neil cuckmann being fired for this shitshow

[@YoMama9021]

AMEN

[@YoMama9021]

They seriously, SERIOUSLY fucked us on this

[@supremeworld87]

im sure he really cares about the highly vocal minority of butthurt little sheep who hated the story because they didnt get a rehash of the first game. hes the best writer in the industry, he doesnt care about what you think of his game. he told the story he wanted to tell, that all that matters. if you dont like it then go cry somewhere else

[@steffan9840]

Kratos: after killing all the gods i will forgive you zeus because revenge is bad

[@heat_of_the_cold]

Yes that’s exactly what i had been thinking of

[@DerfelCadarn81]

❤

[@philly_sports1558]

Or John Marston at the end of RDR2: "Hey Micah, I know you betrayed my friend Arthur and I have murdered dozens of people to get to you. But now I've suddenly realized that senseless violence and revenge are bad."

[@Pokerking4128]

Yeah because Kratos likewise was having trembling hands and other symptoms of disgust over his own actions.

[@josephmoore5422]

@@Pokerking4128 huh?

[@M0mzSpagheti]

“We don’t like it because if it’s story.” Game journalists. “Y’all are sexists and don’t like it because of sexual orientation.” When did it not be ok to dislike a game?

[@Ray_Adams]

It's this current cess pool society. Where the weak, misguided, heretical fools, avoid accountability, and reality by boxing anything that doesnt suit, or fit their agenda into one of two or three compartmentalized categories. This way they can never be criticized, be required to improve, or re think. It's a futile insufficient exercise designed so that they can refuse to acknowledge failure. It's a sad state of affairs corrupting the core of human beings.

[@itatreeneetee]

They're trying to guilt trip us. Lol.

[@PLaStiiCMoNtAGE]

For real, I hated Abby and Owen too, so I guess I'm both homophobic and heterophobic lol

[@vintermyst]

Ever since toxic leftist, cancel-culture took over. The mantra behind it is "Accept and praise our message or be condemned as a bigot, racist, or out-right villain." Sickening

[@Faint366]

Have any of you watched videos by the quartering or read the comments there? There’s thousands of people who hate the game because it features lgbt characters

[@Zaixven]

"Go in open minded" is just an admission to me that you KNEW people were going to be unhappy with the story. Being open minded never makes me appreciate what I see as bad story telling. And telling me to play a game like that only makes me step back and feel like YOU don't have faith in this game.

[@nickrelax1]

Or they knew they would challenge hoe you felt about characters in the game. They said that people are gonna be mixed about this game wayyy before troy said that. It wasn't out of fear that they said that. They said it because it's the story they wanted to make. That wanted to. Lets say fill in the paintings that are the characters in the game even deeper than before. You have every right to be skeptical but to say its because their game was gonna flop and they knew it is an unbelievable reach.

[@tyleremmert7045]

I disagree with that statement. Telling people to have an open mind can be a very important statement. We've become so used to things going our way and stories being practically written for us. I think we NEED to be more open minded. And more accepting to the fact that there are things in life that arent going to go our way and aren't fair. Its real. And its ballsy. I respect that.

[@Zaixven]

@@nickrelax1 I disagree that that's an unbelievable reach, the director stated himself that he contemplated the risk of even making a sequel to his highly successful first game because of the possibility of it being poorly received by fans. And even said he also shared fans worries in regards to writing a sequel and making a mistake. It's clearly from a place of fear and i'm not necessarily faulting him for that. If I happened to make a critically acclaimed story and had to face the challenge of writing a sequel to it I would be absolutely terrified. But them constantly stating in retrospect that it will divide people and they need to be open minded completely indicates to me that they themselves were not secure in what they produced. Also I never stated it would flop, it's a massive franchise and would likely have sold very well regardless of if people dislike it or not.

[@nickrelax1]

@@Zaixven the open minded aspect is what I mean they knew jow the story was going to affect people and how they would feel towards it because they feel the same way. Its just saying prepare to not have everything be going your way. In which a lot of people didnt want to even do that. I red the comment above and they make a good point that i thought previously. Imagine every game has a story that goes exactly the way you want it and every character you hate dies violently and every character you love lives for eternity. It gets boring but it's what you want. For people that expect to change that kind of thing they are like we are experimenting with something different than what you are used to so keep an open mind.

[@Zaixven]

​@@nickrelax1 Shocking unexpected death is not new in any way to storytelling. They themselves used it in the opening of the first game with Joel's daughter. The difference is that in the first game it was executed better. Joel's death as I mentioned earlier is not an issue, how he died is. The disconnection is poor writing, not the concept of what they wanted to do. When you outline a story and say, "How do we get this character where he needs to be to kill him off?" you have to consider what kind of death you want that character to have. If you have to compromise a character's previously established qualities to make them do something to fit the story, you have failed.

[@angrypolishonion673]

"Fans of the first game, have faith in us, we're gonna do right by you" IT SMELLS LIKE LIE IN HERE

[@xxmadmax999xx]

All I'm smelling is bullshit and it's giving me hives!!!

[@RyvrStyxStreams]

How bout don’t speak for all fans because to be they did amazing and I’ve been in love with the last of us and the franchise since the first game came out

[@ironeisen9912]

😤 I smell cap

[@Kay_86]

We will never trust you again Neil!

[@dariosanchez2557]

I loved the first game and I was hearthbroken when I finished the second one. It's a very cruel game. It forces the player to make very difficult actions. Ultimately the game put me in very emocional state, and I loved it for that. Best game experience I've played ever.

[@donuttoy8482]

TLOU3: Random Ethiopian kid wants revenge on Abby for not finishing her food. Edit: Holy shit guys I'm glad some of you share my dark humor! My Grandma used to always give me shit as a kid for not finishing my food. She'd point to a laminated news clipping on the wall about the starving kids in Third World countries.

[@natpat4094]

Lmaooo

[@elizabethcomstock6038]

And a side plot with Miss Man wanting her steroids back.

[@naurthanks6122]

Lmao

[@PassportGaming]

LMAOO💀 I’m Ethiopian and I laughed my balls off. That plot would still be better than what we got in part 2

[@lachazASMR]

And he`ll be a trans, lesbian, bi, tri gendered Vegan, who thinks there are too many white males running things.

[@YangBalanceYin]

Pretty unbelievably sad that the only thing about this game met with universal acclaim is the options menu...

[@adammohammed2185]

Very true, hopefully more games adopt that style of accessibility.

[@billbillinger2117]

Gameplay: pretty much exactly the same Graphics: Great improvement Sound: Pretty solid Story: ...Punishingly lazy and nonsensical to the point where merely having to suffer through the plot makes you just reinstall the original and play that instead.

[@defaulted9485]

Probably an artifact from the previous devs before they left.

[@MrSwitchblade327]

@@megjenb why would you set out to make a game you know the fanbase will hate to begin with?

[@MrSmithGuy]

Exactly. They wanted to make a game the fans hated, they achieved that frankly moronic goal. Pre-orders ensured rapid initial sales but actual gamer reviews will kill follow on sales and any possibility of a third game because having been lied to and deceived so contemptuously, no-one will pre-order a third game and Druckman would have to admit he was wrong. That kind of fevered ego will never do that.

[@Paradoxriom]

"I just ask fans of the first game to trust us" I did... and I am sad to say I was very disappointed...

[@BeyondCashed]

Sucks to be you

[@bimmerguy9274]

BeyondCashed I know so many butt hurt people about a video game lmao. TLOU2 was phenomenal.

[@youngveggies6558]

@@bimmerguy9274 Well that's your opinion. I personally think it was dog shit. Just my experience.

[@KayJ2012]

I went in completely spoiler free, and the game lost me when Abby got Raw Dogged from the back from a character they were shoving down our throats to like

[@jet100a]

You trusting a company is where you made your mistake.

[@cpt.waddledoo4645]

Saw a deleted tweet, and felt that it needed to be kept alive. “TLOU2 is revenge blue-balled.”

[@chestor2314]

Facts

[@Vampwars]

I am a female & I believe this is 100% accurate. Never have I been so emotionally exhausted, aggravated & disappointed with an ending of a video game in my life.

[@jimaco0312]

I’ve never had blue balls before... Until I finished tlou2

[@gabethyrubenstein7984]

that is more or less what the first game was as well, but for saving the world

[@bobbynelson5849]

@@gabethyrubenstein7984but the first makes sense compared to the second

[@The_Dead_Zone]

"so what's new?" "jumping" "what about the story?" Silence .........

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

Haha too true.

[@Rei-bg3rf]

"Flashback"

[@matthewoneill2701]

Well basically having next gen graphics is pretty amazing, as well as amazing sound design. The story on the other hand........

[@thelongertheiconofsinisone6570]

and mechanics, and upgrades, and perks, and enemy types. Story sucked, sure. But yeah. Just sayin.

[@gcon.807]

Knowledge, Well, replay the og and then play the 2nd, the combat felt much clunkier than the 1st.

[@faboo2001]

Hearing Druckmann say that some of the play testers actually hated the game makes all of the reviews that initially came out all that questionable. He flat out admits that some people didn't like the game, but ALL of the reviewers were calling it a "masterpiece"? Something definitely doesn't add up.

[@UsonoHoushi]

Base on a few gaming journalist who were honest and suffered for it by the company they worked for. It's very clearl that many of the positives were threatened. Not physically but mostly because of FOMO. the fear of being black listed and not getting a game review needing to wait for the games to be out for everyone. It's first come, first serve and people will do anything to stay ahead.

[@MGrabowski70]

I am a normal gamer and fan of the first game and I love part 2. Not afraid to defend it either looking for valid criticism but so much I’ve seen has come off as hollow.

[@faboo2001]

@@MGrabowski70 I'm actually a huge fan of the first game, so it's sad to hear how divisive the second one is. And funny thing with the "come off as hollow" comment, that's how I feel with all of the reviews that raved about the game prior to release. Most of them have done a poor job to explain how the game could be a masterpiece and deliberately avoid talking about the game's narrative.

[@faboo2001]

@@UsonoHoushi Yeah I get the impression that this is one of those games where reviewers for gaming websites have to give it a positive score, or end up being ridiculed or blacklisted as a result. A perfect example I can think of is the game "Gone Home". Reviewers were put into a tough spot where they kinda had to rave about it because it addressed LGBT issues and saying anything critical about the game itself could be taken the wrong way. However when players got their hands on it, they called it a "walking simulator" in a derogatory manner.

[@KadayiPolokov]

@@MGrabowski70 You can't be looking very hard given there are plenty of youtube videos out there articulating at length and in detail people many issues with the games narrative both in terms of structure, characterisation and plot.

[@KwameBruceBusia]

Do you remember the time there were leaks that Druckmann wanted to kill off Nathan Drake in Uncharted 4 and that's Why Amy Hennig was forced out? Because Pepperidge Farm remembers. The way TLOU2 worked out was just a hold over of what he wanted to do since Uncharted 4. Seems he's really been wanting to use that shock tactic for a while now...

[@KwameBruceBusia]

@your face reminds me when I stepped on a burrito 3 then this would have been a great opportunity to tell us what DID happen then.

[@capitatecab6049]

Did he really?

[@wxhammii6922]

Tlou 1 is aletas going to be the best since the 2 is really shit

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Yeah and the shock tactic it did not work.....not on the last of us part two....it did not work

[@Sgt_ioiwsl]

Thank god that’s not what happened to my boy Nate, the PSP uncharted game is the only game you can play here on site and the thousands of people would be sad to see Nate die

[@Matt-rm5ir]

Whenever someone says "go in open minded and you'll have an experience" that is code for "this will piss you off."

[@rubenlopez3364]

Backwards to suggest lowering our expectaions to sort of kinda enjoy the game. Fuck Naughty Dicks

[@haileyabley6731]

I went in and pretty much loved the game before I played it and I still was upset.

[@sanoichiro]

Just because it pisses you off doesn't make it bad. Perhaps it was a bit above your reading level.

[@Wesker10000]

Only if you've a closed mind :)

[@JesusChrist-bq6lu]

sanoichiro people can have different opinions and thoughts personally I hate the story of part 2 but adore the gameplay especially the rat king boss fight it’s so cool how they can make you feel so helpless and afraid during the whole thing uncertain when it will strike Part 1 was perfect in terms of story, gameplay, characters, character development and ending nothing will ever come close to how this game made me feel especially during the winter and escape the city chapters This is my opinion.

[@Maculure]

it’s like they expected us to forget about first game after 7 years. BOY THEY WAS WRONG

[@jordanc587]

i feel like the people that hated this game did forget the first game, how it ended.

[@zionsimanian9310]

Jordan C you’re in all these comments defending the game huh? Care to explain why? I’d like to put you on the spot like you have done to others. Go ahead, enlighten us all as to why this game deserves a better response from the community

[@ImfernusRizen]

@@zionsimanian9310 It's been a year bro I don't think he coming lmao

[@berimar5675]

were*

[@blaniac6591]

@@jordanc587 we’re waiting…

[@gas481]

The last of us 1 ending scene is too much to watch. The writing is so powerful

[@voidziqr]

That’s a damn lie

[@floppedforrealsies]

@@voidziqr oh no i dont know which side you on

[@xozach7062]

Mr. Cactuar sorry tlou2 is the most basic plot ever, dont get it twisted

[@zhaolang1215]

Japan hates the Game and the returns are at 80% lol

[@wayneberry6012]

lol the ending of last of us 1 was taken straight from a movie called the road with vigo mortneson

[@flatearther6315]

This game makes me feel like im playing as micah after killing arthur

[@angelaricci4878]

pret much

[@Algastar]

@Hfghbb Jggv way better

[@firepunchman]

At least I liked a bit micah, *but I hate Abby so much*

[@abiwan_kenobi]

@@firepunchman I'm curious how you found even one redeemable quality about Micah, lol.

[@H3YB33ZY]

Hfghbb Jggv her personality is reminiscent of a soggy bread roll

[@jthomp97]

“There are going to be people who played the first that won’t like the second” YOU DON’T SAY?!?!

[@Ephra_wangai]

Right? Coming after saying shit like "we know people loved the first one and we want to do right by them". Its pretty clear they either can't write worth shit or they never cared about fans of the first to begin with.

[@spreadwuvokay]

If knowing about the lore before this game makes the next game less enjoyable maybe there's a problem with it.

[@t.haenssgen8333]

@@spreadwuvokay I loved Part 2. But maybe that might be, because I never played or fully watched Part 1. I just find Part 2 is a masterpeace for it's own.

[@filmnationstudios389]

T. Haenssgen You’re an idiot.

[@diogofaisca5027]

@@filmnationstudios389 He has the right to have his opinion tho, actually idk why people hate tlou 2, most of the haters are blinded by the most famous people that streamed the game and didnt like the game.

[@stefaniverson2739]

Crazy how he said some fans of the first game won’t like the second game. And he’s okay with that. His (and the studio he represents) reaction doesn’t reflect that. Not only that, why wouldn’t you want the 14 million people who bought the first game and loved it to love the second game??

[@zynostik5873]

Cause "cYclE oF vIoLeNcE"

[@6ixlxrd]

What I want to know is why did he explicitly say he wanted players to "passionately hate" his game, then flip around and do a 360 the moment players started hating this game, as he wanted? He created it to be "controversial" then gets upset that it became controversial because he suddenly wants people without brains to call it a "GOTY 10/10 Masterpiece". Tf is he on?

[@angryKleiner]

I notice a trend lately, really. 1) A sequel eboot is made 2) Warning signs in pre-release interviews. "It's not made for old fans" "We don't need X group of people to like it" "It's a story about X empowerment" 3) The release is a dumpster fire of crummy writing, character butchering and fanfic-level drama. 4) Several sjw-pleasing characters are tacked in as cheap, disposable protection against any criticism, screeching and pointing fingers at critics ensue. Tell me if that sounds eerily familiar and applies to way too many catastrophic releases in recent years...

[@bielawski24]

Because Neil Druckmann is a smug leftist who’s more concerned with pushing an agenda over rewarding his loyal fans with the game we all wanted.

[@nikobellic9010]

Because Cuckmann wanted to appeal his ego. He thinks that he created a masterpiece when it just doesn't work

[@cowpokemorgan9147]

Naruto's Pain Arc does the whole circle of hatred narrative better.

[@Lucky-fs7xz]

True but there is no comparison because last of us 2 is just bad at telling a story

[@jacksonmay153]

don't forget Kratos

[@elvismatilde6630]

@@jacksonmay153 God Of War did it way better than this sorry excuse for a sequel

[@tails183]

Never seen it, still agree.

[@Captain_Chromosome]

Hey Arthur

[@Ytomany]

So in Troy bakers mindset (A VOICE ACTOR) if you spend a long time making something that means it's good. Also the first game was not divisive at all it was literally universally praised. The game does not do any character development for the new characters Dina's whole character is that she is a lesbian and so is Ellies everyone is kinda just there to serve a purpose but not there to be people. The 2 Asian characters are the only people that feel like actual characters but we don't really know much about their story it's like we only saw the climax.

[@barackobama6858]

The first game had the same problems, with character development for every character that aren’t the main characters. Sam and Henry had basically no personality

[@Ytomany]

@@barackobama6858 What?!! Ok sure dude.

[@Heroinedown]

Jay curious No need to be a fanboy to dislike a bad story. The guy in this video proves it so your argument falls apart.

[@jackcaffrey8493]

not to mention the director of the OG walked FARRRR away from this project - these people didnt actually create these characters they just took them and twisted them for a sorry ass manbun whos taking money from someone he will never share about

[@douglas98465]

I'm a fan of some of the voice actors who worked on this game and now it pains me to realize that these voice actors hyped up the game outside of official promotional materials. I used to think that they were pretty in touch with the average person and didn't think themselves holier than others, but Coronavirus, the protests, and this game are making me rethink that.

[@goclunker]

Ellie’s sexuality is not even remotely an issue. Turning her into a sociopath, and a shitty story is the damn issue.

[@rael1999]

Exactly. Totally unbelievable, turning her into Rambo and removing all of her character traits from the first game. All just done in order to fit a revenge story line and some sanctimonious bullshit that Neil and his team wanted to preach to the fans of the first game. You must have some high opinion of yourself to preach like that from your little holier than thou soapbox.

[@6ouiss]

The hell.. people really was mad bout her sexuality 💀?

[@danskyl7279]

@@rael1999 Yeah... But at least Rambo you understood why he did what he did (Plus he's War hero and was mistreated). At least Rambo didn't pussy out the last second to kill the main villain. Yea, Rambo didn't killed Teasle but that's bcoz Colonel Trautman.

[@datiger39]

@@6ouiss no not really just people who call this mediocre narrative a masterpiece claim that, majority of people just hate the shallow story but people who love it, love it blindly and call anyone who hates it “bigots”

[@PhazonEnder]

@@datiger39 No, the narrative of the first game was mediocre while it's sequel was just plain awful.

[@coldwater8062]

4:35 “it’s about hate and how we make the player feel that” Well you certainly accomplished that.

[@GOffensive]

He did. Unintelligent people like you weren't able to understand the story though. Can't create art when people like you are too dense to get it.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@GOffensive You think you're very smart don't you?

[@mauriandlaw]

@@GOffensive I bet he was very intelligent when he loved the first game..... that was fine...wasn't it ??...... It is really out the realm of possibilities that this story is fucking trash.... that's right, he doesn't know how to appreciate "ART"...... You are an idiot !!!!

[@jsonmac319]

@@GOffensive you really think this game has a super complex story? Plot twist: it doesn't. Everything is presented open wide to the player, nothing is held back, nothing is hiding in the shadows. Everything is thrown at your face, like seeing the villain of the story petting a dog and trying desperately for you to like her. You think you're so smart like that and didn't realized the story tries to manipulate your feelings in the dumbest way possible? Well, then I have a bad news for you.

[@stevetheiii477]

@@jsonmac319 exactly, the game is ridiculous in the way they try to make the audience empathize with Abby's character by giving her a storyline with the scars outcasts, like who gives af abby's half of the game was so irrelevant and such a waste of time the way they executed it was trying to hard, her character was all over the place, its sad that the game forces us to play a character who's already crossed the border very early in the game

[@hawkeyes4768]

they vilianize the main characters, while using cheap tricks and manipulation to prop up abby. they purges anyone that didnt bent the knee to have constructive criticism or criticism in general naughty dog has lost all credibility and joined the long list of Devs that dont deserve day 1 purchase

[@lloydcaskenette1095]

Could not agree more

[@tierk4328]

But the world of The Last of Us has never been about 'heroes and villains' the world is about anti-heroes and morality. To me it is very reminiscent of Neo-Westerns like 'Hell or High Water' and 'No Country for Old Men' TLOU2 takes tropes from the genre and implements them into the game. For example the 'Kick the Dog' trope which is seen in westerns in order for the audience to distinguish the villain. They did this in RDR2 with Micah and Cain (Jack Marston's dog) which Micah abuses and literally kicks. This is meant to foreshadow that Micah was a villain. In Neo-Westerns this trope is meant to demonstrate that someone is an anti-hero whos morals are grey. I actually enjoyed Abby as a character too but not at the start. I think when Lev and Yara were introduced I began to get more interested in her story. I agree that there is stuff wrong with the game and genuine criticisms such as the pacing of the story, etc. But you cannot deny that there is also a shit load of people hating on it because there are LGBT characters in the game. I read a shit tone of reviews on meta critic and a lot of them called the game SJW garbage for doing that.

[@johnathanera5863]

@Iain Steele I've seen the rebuttal. Its pathetic lol. The game is shit. Deal with it.

[@defaulted9485]

@@tierk4328 Good luck justifying killing your own saviour.

[@Barbarossa97]

That is why uncharted 4 was already trash because the ghew Druckmann was responsible

[@peabuddie]

the switch to another character has "proved to be somewhat controversial". Understatement much?

[@Steeze9369]

Dead space 2 eh? I see you’re a man of culture

[@fluidwolf]

@The Man vs PC The problem with the switch to Abby is basically completely down to her being made an unredeemable monster to the player almost immediately then having the game try to manipulate the players emotions afterwards.

[@ravenssahadow]

The devs hated working on this game about as much as I hated playing it.

[@aidan7631]

That’s what bugs me most about the game. Personally I though the game was neither terrible nor a masterpiece, it’s just somewhere in the middle. But hearing about how much the employees hated working on the game, but were forced to keep going pissed me off more than the game.

[@jugsofmalk9987]

I give it a 4.9/10

[@kendallspeaks6869]

Troy: "play the game and find out" Us: *plays the game* "this is literally exactly what the leaks said would happen"

[@silenthero2795]

Not really. It's WAY WORSE. Hearing their pretentious explanations just shows how out of line they are to their own fanbase.

[@leguminous7564]

Don't blame him, lmao he's gotta raise the purchases somehow.

[@UnfoundFilms]

If players are led to believe they wont enjoy the game then they have no obligation to “play the game and find out”.

[@NotCthulhu]

@@silenthero2795 You want pandering shit go play Call of Duty.

[@NotCthulhu]

@Dreyness That's art, when your baseless hysteria goes away you'll realize it was good.

[@josephabrams8529]

48:57 “It’s super gross, super depressing, and (sadly) super predictable.” Not gonna lie, I thought he was talking about the game itself at first.

[@amosmoses5201]

"Who has more potential to disrespect the characters? The people who actually work on the game or the leakers?" Neil Druckmann's self-insert: *literally spits on Joel's corpse*

[@wisewolfds]

Druckmann was not Manny. Druckmann was on a collectible card. I forget the actor for Manny by the guy who voiced him did motion capture on his face for the game. Manny is completely modeled after someone else. Albeit someone that does look very similar to Druckmann lol

[@CyberChrist]

@@wisewolfds Isn't Manny supposed to be the scenarist's self-insert ?

[@GOffensive]

@@CyberChrist Manny looks exactly like Alejandro Edda, the actor who did mocap and voiceovers for that character. Druckmann has nothing to do with this character.

[@filipemrbean2]

@@GOffensive yes "its all coincidence" i gonna edit, i trought the sarcasm was so obvious that would not need anything... well....

[@lightningdashproductions8824]

Manny may not have been his self-insert, but im sure we can all agree that Druckmann was metaphorically Manny in that scene.

[@BreezyRatccoon01]

"There was a sequel. Wasn't as good"

[@tyleroutland435]

There was a sequel it was amazing

[@coryakabueze4541]

Know is was garbage

[@rekunta]

“You need to go into this open-minded”, a.k.a., “This will destroy everything you loved about the previous game, and if you don’t like it, it’s your fault”.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

No. It's a.k.a : "Don't judge a story by reading its summary on cliff notes."

[@indrickboreale5463]

Aka: I legally have to side with Naughty Dog and this was the best sentence I could use.

[@Cheonging101]

*bashes your head open, exposing your brains*

[@braydude104]

@@Quotenwagnerianer You'll reach the same conclusion by doing either/or.

[@ULTIMATEGOOSE01]

I was thinking of playing the 1st game before the 2nd, but given how the 2nd may likely leave me hanging with its ending, i think i will play the 2nd game and then the 1st so I'm left feeling better lol.

[@martinlayne5612]

The scene with the downed wolf. You don't have a choice but to kill him. After you do it Jesse chastises you. I hate that. A general lack of player choice!

[@jordangarcia465]

I hate when games do that kind of thing. "Here's a choice where you don't really get a choice, and we're gonna make you feel bad for that choice!" Like, bitch maybe I would've done something different if you let me??? Edit: I would also like to add that video games tend to forget they're video games and try to be movies. If you wanted to make a game where it's basically a long, interactable cutscene might as well have made a movie.

[@sanelino3069]

Yeah guys but that is not how ND games works. And I get why. The Story of tlou woudn't be this impactful if the player had a choice. Because ND want you to feel the way they wrote the Story.

[@tekakiuluy3221]

@@jordangarcia465 Especially coming from a game who wants to make you think about the ''cycle of violence'' Undertale did this better

[@narudan]

@@sanelino3069 But instead of feeling something you feel nothing because you had no choice? big brain move then.

[@-Trauma.]

*shoots Wolves & skins them in front of Wolf Man* "Yeah? And? So? What?"

[@charliededes5185]

"no one loves these characters more than we do" * proceeds to make abby repeatedly bash Joel's skull with a golf club *

[@mauriandlaw]

in the first couple of hours of the game....and spitting on his corpse...

[@flopgamer9757]

"No OnE lOvEs ThEsE cHaRaCtErS mOrE tHaN wE dO" he said, while killing the most loved character in the game with unnecessary brutal methods.

[@liky6539]

“The people who didn’t play the first game, would love the second game” I haven’t even seen or played TLOU1 and i still hated the second one. bouta go watch TLOU1 now.

[@ashkhri]

if youve already watched the first one, how was it?

[@ashkhri]

@JamesHLanier Please dont insult people like us whove played both games and still disliked the second one. A lot of people have written very comprehensive reasons as to why they dislike it, if you really want to understand i can link one of them to you

[@nathanzhou1162]

seems like you haven't even played the game

[@gautamg9175]

@@ashkhri I played it years back and it's great definitely worth playing :)

[@ashkhri]

@@gautamg9175 I played it around the time it came out and you're right it was lovely

[@GoodwinGhost]

ah yes philosophical questions like "do i like killing this dog now that I know its name is Bear" yes. yes i do

[@Miss__Understands]

LOL!

[@enviro7673]

The only dog your forced to kill is Alice, I went the whole game without killing any other dog, which would include my dude bear.

[@dmpg1994]

All I have to say here is lol

[@countdooku3373]

​@@PendantKeychains That's incredulous, and hilarious.

[@jordanc587]

ah then this game shows you that you have something in common with all the people who hate it; you lack empathy.

[@averakair9831]

Games that make you feel bad for playing existing. Game Devs: This is where the fun begins.

[@goddimmus]

"We dont use the word "fun" in our games." Niel Cuckman.

[@Lord_Numpty]

At least Spec Ops was clever about it.

[@tominatorxx]

​@@Lord_Numpty Spec Ops had a beautifully paced very cohesive story with good characters and clear motivations. I wouldn't call that game fun. However, for people who like storytelling games it's imo a must play. Based on Heart of Darkness and perfectly executed. It really captures the theme of the book. In fact another game (which still is one of my personal favourites) is the "love it or hate it" Far Cry 2. Also based on Heart Of Darkness. Way less heavy on story. It's there and imo it works perfectly. A simple modern story of a mercenary hired to kill an armsdealer who is supplying bot sides of a conflict. You realize throughout the game you've more in common with him than you thought at first. The strength of that game isn't necessarily the story itself but the actions you do and how spontaneous it brings over its theme. Sneak up on a camp and shoot someone in the chest only to hear him moan of pain while one of his comrades is trying to comfort him. Weapons breaking down in the middle of a fight (like the sandstorm moments in Spec Ops meant to convey a a harsh conditions). Having buddies who can die trying to help you (even putting a bullet in them yourself to relieve them from their pain). Healing animations that are extremely graphic (same as some of the graphic wounds you can cause on enemies in Spec Ops),... Unfortunately the rest of the Far Cry series went way more in your face with its story and left out a lot of that narrative depth (through actions) in its world. Too on the nose and since they are open world games, suffer too much from inconsistent pacing. As for The Last Of Us games. I can't really say much about it, since I've never played either of them. But the thing is with these types of games you can do 2 things. Either go the route of Spec Ops in a linear game and make sure the characters, the story and the pacing are perfect. Or in the case of an open world game make something where your actions tell a story and convey a theme. Pacing is going to be an issue anyway. So make the player feel lik they are the character who is making certain decissions. Now that last one can't be done in The Last Of Us obviously. But in that case plot holes, mismatching motivations etc. are going to make people upset. I feel like that has happened here. Direct sequels with these types of games are really dangerous to keep narrative consistency.

[@RaikenXion]

If a Video Game makes you feel bad for playing it, thats not a "video game", its a "tool" designed in such a way to condition you to a certain way of thinking. A true "video game" will always be "Fun". And if its not Fun its not worth playing.

[@tominatorxx]

@@RaikenXion I disagree with that. A game needs to be compelling. And that doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be fun in the traditional sense. If a game is compelling you to continue (whether it's the story, difficulty,...) then it doesn't necessarily needs to be fun. "Fun" is kind of a vague word tbh. Do movies, music and books also need to be fun to be compelling? At that point we would lose a lot of possibilities in terms storrytelling, interaction possibilities, etc. The fact that games can amplify an emotional experience (thanks to the level of interaction) is what makes this medium so powerful. We wouldn't have great games like "This War Of Mine", "Brothers: A Tale Of Two Sons", "Spec Ops The Line", "Papers Please" and many others. Unique experiences that are compelling but not necessarily fun in a traditional way.

[@DorthLousPerso]

"I'd rather have people passionately hate it rather than be 'ok'" Good think this game is free, is not a follow-up to a beloved art piece and takes no time to play, right?

[@jordangarcia465]

Yeah that would be horrible. Thank God Druckmann isn't stupid enough to do any of those things..

[@d.riddle2965]

Why do some people in the gaming community think they have a better grasp on the story than the writers themselves? Neil Druckmann wrote the first game as well. If you don't like it, fine, but it's ridiculous to think you love the game more than they do and wanted it to succeed more than they do.

[@jordangarcia465]

@@d.riddle2965 Who said that? It's not a matter of people thinking they have a better grasp on the story than the writer's and claiming they love the game more than them. It's the people who play the game calling out the story for bad writing and lashing out because they waited 7 years to be disappointed. When a game jumps from a universal 10/10 to a whopping 4/10 then it's clear there's something wrong with it on a fundamental level. I played the game myself and I will admit the gameplay itself is enjoyable. Ignoring the story the gameplay would be a 6/10. But the story..

[@DorthLousPerso]

@@d.riddle2965 How dare people paying for a product have an opinion that differs from their creator on said product? In fact, people should spend everything they own on every game on the market that have their creators claiming it's a good game!

[@d.riddle2965]

@@DorthLousPerso Typical response, though I'm not seeing where I criticized people from having an opinion. Pretty sure that if you took off the hate goggles for two seconds, you would've clearly read in my comment that it's completely natural for people not to like a story. It's about people who think they know better than the creator. But you know... go on.

[@philly_sports1558]

At the end of the day, this game was just a miserable experience. The original game was very dark and depressing but it still had plenty of sweet, heartwarming moments and the development of a beautiful father-daughter relationship between a man who lost everything and a teenage girl who gave him hope again. There always was a glimmer of light in the darkness that was the original Last of Us. The sequel is nothing but heartbreak, loss, and despair. I know that was the point, but it doesn't make it good.

[@fgdh2460]

And it doesn't make it bad.

[@philly_sports1558]

I mean it kinda does make it bad. At the end of the day, video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining regardless of how dark and serious the story is. You can watch sad movies like Schindler's List and Green Mile and still be entertained by them. I don't really see the point of playing a video game that purposely makes you feel like a bad person for playing it. It's pretty manipulative.

[@noelaliu368]

Agreed

[@itspossiblyvertigo1232]

@@philly_sports1558 shut up lol, not every experience is supposed to be a good one. The game teaches you a lesson. That lesson is that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. And really the only way to really drive that point in is with a dark and depressing story.

[@lordofcinder1169]

@@itspossiblyvertigo1232 I saw what you did there with the lol bruh naw this game is bad dude

[@johnnywhitsel1583]

Him praising Anita Skeeversion is an unforgivable act. It put's a lot of their decisions with both TLOU & Uncharted in perspective. In my mind: Star Wars ended with Return of the Jedi and, now, TLOU ended with the first game. An exceptional one-off.

[@pollekem6459]

Totally agree. Until ND formally apologize and distance themselves from Anita and her lies I am not buying any ND product ever again!

[@SonOfExcess]

100% agree.

[@OoXLR8oO]

Dude didn’t praise Anita though. He praised what she was trying to do, and then politely roasted her for how badly she was doing it.

[@DVRKSTXR]

polleke M Naughty Dog doesn’t owe you or anybody an apology for THEIR story that THEY created. That’s an extremely entitled and dangerous mentality. Feeling as if the world owes you something because you came across a disagreeable plot line in a video game that negatively affected you by making you feel uncomfortable.

[@nerdzforevr9657]

@@DVRKSTXR bruh, the game is very obviously not anywhere near as good as the first, not because it "makes people uncomfortable" but because the story just isn't good. Outta here with that negative crap

[@crozraven]

you know things truly a mess when even Bruce Straley even said some thing about ludonarrative stuffs in his tweets back in January. He was concerned, tried to warned us, & then left ND.

[@herbs7482]

Really!

[@fishy7901]

I like how the narrative shift at IGN is also very timely, they ran an article about Amy Hennig being driven out of ND by Druckman, and now they are saying they made it up...kinda timely since everyone is saying ND hasn't been the same since Amy left and Druckman has ruined them.

[@Aloyhero]

Bruce just retired thats all. it was probably a mid life crisis thing he was like yeah i dont want to work on games anymore and moved on and that was it. people have quit there jobs because they want to do other things in life that cant do in there other job it happens.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

kinda hard to warn anyone when 1 IDK about everyone else but I never joined the T so who's gonna see the message? and 2 no news outlets would report on such a comment cus there's no context for it..... sites like the T are useless when some of us put zero stock in their validity, the T is not real life and thus should not influence real life, sorry [T = Twitter, I hate even saying the name anymore]

[@Laroac]

@@Aloyhero And disregard his tweets in favour of your midlife crisis fan fiction. He has been in the industry for a long time and is very passionate.

[@jakethompson5129]

4:15 They wanted the players to feel hate. I would say they succeeded. They were so good that people that never even played the game hate it.

[@omarsiddique9211]

Lmao the dude said we dont want you to enjoy the game, and they achieved that objective spectacularly

[@vlone2212]

@@omarsiddique9211 Did you play it?

[@prodalowany]

I don't even hate the story, I just hate the devs that spent 7 years to destroy character we liked and delivered poorly written game while from technical point of view game is a masterpiece.

[@omarsiddique9211]

@@vlone2212 lmao no shit dude i wouldnt say it was unenjoyable if i didnt play it

[@vlone2212]

@@omarsiddique9211 A lot of people are saying the game is trash and have never touched it. I was just asking. Sheesh

[@darthdragonborn1552]

“How could these people hate these characters when they worked on this game for 7 years??!!” Well again, 70% of the company left lol

[@jameslanier2510]

70% of a single department left over a period of 5 years due to crunch. One even said that the game was damn good. The crunch and work conditions are a serious problem, but don't misrepresent the struggle for these workers by claiming that the workers had issues with the story. That wasn't the case.

[@ollehkacb]

@@jameslanier2510 I think what the op is saying is that the majority of the staff were not the original developers and thus would have no qualms with butchering the characters.

[@jameslanier2510]

@@ollehkacb The director of Part 2 literally created the characters.

[@HOWEZY4769]

​@@jameslanier2510 he was co director of the first. The other director left for the second leaving Neil druckman free reign to live his own fan fiction

[@milacruz3970]

Hahah exactly. Now we can tell who were the ones responsible for the great game the first one was.

[@GoodwinGhost]

I need to remember that the reason I hate it so much is cuz of how good the first game was. Niel shouldn't be happy about the hate of tlou2 because it's not tlou2 that made me hate it. It's my love for the original that made me hate the sequel. If it wasn't for the original no one would care about this game.

[@Miss__Understands]

THATS VERY PERCEPTIVE!

[@stifito]

hate is for those who don't understand it...

[@gurgamous]

@@stifito love is for those easily enchanted by ostensible substance.

[@yerevani6614]

@@stifito It's just a bad story

[@berimar5675]

Nobody cares about it even now with present circumstances ....... and no amount of fake awards will convince me otherwise ..... the users score and number of angry reviews speak for themselves

[@akitsushima_1453]

"I don't like the story" "You don't like the story? You must be a moron!!" Seriously though, I like most thing about the game. JUST not its story.

[@SneakySnake133]

Its a story game

[@justincastillo4739]

@@SneakySnake133 nah man I just skipped all the cutscenes and played around with how creative I can murder

[@Aye-Em]

@@justincastillo4739 Did the exact same.

[@interceptingfist5682]

Someone with some sense.

[@Mastropiero9]

I just see the history and i love it... conclucion: this game is not for you PD: make your game :D

[@padovarockaty]

I just finished the game, and literally i've never felt more empty after finishing a game. This game left me with a bad aftertaste that will be very hard to shake off.

[@generalkinobi6215]

True.

[@itatreeneetee]

Thanks for the tip. I aint touching this one!

[@PotheadCowpoke]

I feel sorry for your wallet. What a waste of money.

[@austinkersey2445]

Just pick up a better game. I don't know play Pokémon or something? I mean nobody gets mad playing Pokémon right? *remembers Whitney* On second thought just play Persona. 2-5 will wash that taste out of your mouth pretty quick, considering they take months to beat. Hell, if you just play 10 hours a week those games will last you roughly 3/4 of the year.

[@jojoman4223]

Same. I got a really bad afterbirth after finish this game.

[@FrankMcFuzz1]

Lol. Did Neil Drunkman just says "Fans of the first game aren't going to like the second game and people who never played the first game are going to love the second game"

[@Vaultboy101]

Just like the Disney Star Wars movies, they don't give a shit about the existing fans as they think they're so into the franchise they will eat it up.

[@Wesker10000]

@@Vaultboy101 When a story teller starts fretting over what fans want that's when the art starts to suck.

[@Tkara8]

I loved the first and second game. Y’all are just babies that can’t see past your “beloved character” dying. And focus on what the story is really about.

[@tixnofal0971]

KaraCookies88 You’re one of those, it’s sad...

[@sentinal_entity]

@@Vaultboy101 Damn if this isn't the truth. I swear most (not all) hardcore fans of The Sequel Trilogy are either casual fans or not even legitimate fans of star wars at all in regards to being familiar with the lore that the previous films/games/shows built.

[@Koyuki_Yukihime]

rather than playing as Abby , I would rather playing as Tommy for some part of the game . I mean revenge have to be solved with another revenge but ten fold right ? The answer have to be if you kill them all there will be no one left to take a revenge on you.

[@nomansdie8624]

I love how Tommy just went in guns blazing, not tracking anyone down (apart from the interogation at the beginning). Dude was just snipin' wolfs.

[@XxSeedOfEvilxX]

That's not how life works, the people you kill inevitably have people who love them and would be prepared to seek revenge, making it a cycle that may never end unless someone breaks the cycle

[@marocainforlife]

Still much better than OP with his "sorry Ethiopian kid Imma have to kill ya cuz I killed your oncle once removed and now I don't want you coming for me in case you might wanna get revenge or something."

@@XxSeedOfEvilxX stfu

[@nanaraoof4241]

it would be so cool to play as tommy in the part where he’s a sniper omg

[@radiorebel8223]

"There's gonna be people that played the first game and won't like this game." "There's going to be people that didn't play the first game who will like this game." I didn't even play the first game and I didn't think the game was that good. The end was especially empty to me.

[@brackattack9513]

I highly recommend the first game if you havent played it since commenting. Its amazing and the second game shouldn't discourage anyone new to the francise from checking out the first.

[@decentlyaverage9483]

The second one is neil's powerfantasy of a complete mess story that he wanted to realize long ago. Bruce (game director of last of us 1) always held neil back on objectively dumb and stupid decisions. Neil for example wanted to always kill of elena in uncharted 2, or kill of nathan drake in uncharted 4. Now that nothing held neil back, it was time for him to realize his fantasy once and for all.

[@TheMetaB]

Decently Average Neil wanted to do WHAT? That would just destroy the Uncharted games

[@messeduppika5314]

The 1st one is on ps4 and minimumly 10x better then part 3

[@betterdrugsthanyours]

The first game was a beautiful story with a father/daughter dynamic that’ll make you weep. The second game is a lecture about shit you already know from a developer who just bukkake’s all over the fans from his high horse.

[@1894db]

One of the major weaknesses Naughty Dog has had for a while is their repeated and senseless attempts to make the point that killing and violence is bad. In games where 90% of the gameplay is basically mass slaughter..... I genuinely don't understand why they're incapable of realizing that this doesn't work.

[@GOffensive]

You are incapable of even understanding the basic principle of the story. The make the point that violence is bad by showing you what happens when you resort to violence.

[@frankwest5388]

GOffensive games are not books. The interactive part of the game is storytelling as well. So if your core gameplay loop is all about murdering people, having your main character spare someone feels contradictory. This is like me trying to convince you that cars are evil, by showing you how great people get from place to place with them and driving you around all day. The action goes against the core message. Now, if you wanted to make a point about how violence and revenge is bad, there are ways to do that in a game. Punish the player for killing. Make the game harder if you have a body trail or something. While I haven’t played it, one of the MetalGear games has a clever way to portraying an anti violence message. During one segment you wander through a dream state, where everyone you killed attacks you. Meaning that you have an a lot easier time, if you try to avoid killing and go the stealth route. Or the game undertale. Where interactions with NPCs become a lot more hostile and unfriendly if you kill a lot. If you can’t grasp this basic idea you are probably incapable of understanding the self contradictory story or the complaint that the other guy said

[@1894db]

@@GOffensive That doesn't work when it's fun, all of the people you kill are unknown faceless mooks, and there aren't any consequences for killing them or even the option of being non lethal.

[@caldw615]

Spec Ops The Line is a violent shooter game by design and does a far better job of making the player question or feel bad for what they are doing as a commentary on violence in video games and movies being glorified.

[@gabrielgiron4273]

What is this mine craft

[@beastbeats9159]

Developers - "Nobody cares about these characters more than us." Also Developers - "Hehe Joel's head goes splat splat." Finally Developers - "It's a masterpiece."

[@debrh.b]

People that say it's a masterpiece , please stay away from my toilet because we have different views of what a masterpiece is .

[@VulturePilot]

The story is badly written and absolutely worth criticizing. It does not immediately and automatically turn you into a racist sexist to have issues with plot holes, forced contrivances and nonsensical scenarios despite what certain outlets would try to have you believe.

[@faiz8840]

@Iain Steele it's full of damn potholes what do you mean lol

[@mathieuosakue8449]

@@faiz8840 tell me

[@barackobama6858]

I enjoyed the game but the pacing is terrible

[@jjones1032]

@@barackobama6858 Same. I enjoyed parts of it Okay. Some parts (especially Abby's part) were a slog to get through. @Faiz The first plot hole that comes to mind is: why did an army of infected suddenly show up outside Jackson?

[@tierk4328]

@@barackobama6858 100% especially in the middle. However, in the 3rd act, it started to draw me in again.

[@ScrimpBoat]

This game made me feel like my wife left me and didn’t take the kids. All kinds of f’d up.

[@DavidRodriguez-cg6lg]

LMAO

[@oinkleberry]

For men who have literally had their kids taken from them this isn't really a bad fate for JUST the wife to leave

[@ScrimpBoat]

The Reasonable Extremist Lol. You right you right

[@ecir_winchester_petalclaw]

@@oinkleberry How about the wife taking all your money, leaving you with the kids. And you still, have to pay her alimony?

[@fenrirab620]

If my wife leaves, im definitely keeping my kids.

[@taylordaub70]

Every time they defend the game by saying critics are homophobic and sexist: As a gay female, THIS STORYLINE IS STILL AWFUL. Grateful to see some (not great) representation, but wow.

[@DanishAli-qz8xr]

Taylor Daub the funny thing is sexuality and stuff like that should be secondary to a game. The gameplay and story are primary things. If you wanna see a non straight character done extremely well look at ciri from witcher 3. I Absolutely love her

[@messeduppika5314]

Lol same but they did focus the game on being lgbt and not a game

[@DanishAli-qz8xr]

Caferino hmmm......its rather clear that you haven’t played the game or read the books Geralt and ciri are not the same and you dont need “lgbt characters” those things should be secondary not the primary focus. The differences between geralt and ciri are pretty damn clear,ranging from different temperaments to different personality traits

[@theworld6710]

The storyline isn’t awful, it’s actually amazing and well-crafted. Also is the representation ‘not great’?

[@DanishAli-qz8xr]

Matthew its not amazing and well crafted in any way whatsoever. And yeah there’s no development for the representations it feels unnatural and forced.

[@gottesurteil3201]

These people need to be reminded that we are more than just "fans." We are consumers, customers, people who give them money. I am not telling them to snuff their creativity for the sake of making money, rather they need to have their creative endeavors begin matching the sort of universal appeal that will make their customers desire their product.

[@fgdh2460]

And that is pretty stupid...best way to produce the common shit producers give us all the time.

[@kamageddynvideochannel3479]

Um no would would you want people telling artist what too paint

[@gottesurteil3201]

@@kamageddynvideochannel3479 if I'm going to buy the painting then yes.

[@shelbydewever7017]

There are plenty of games that do this already. Go play any Ubisoft or EA or Activision game if you want a game designed for mass appeal. It is clear Naughty Dog had a story in mind for this game and they told it the way they wanted. As someone who loves Part 2, I can 100% understand how some people would dislike, or even hate it. What I can't understand though are the people telling Naughty Dog that they should have catered to any one group of people when making their game. Druckmann was clear that people wouldn't like it and that is because they knew they were making a non-typical story.

[@yveltalpoderoso1303]

I can’t definitely say that part 2 was not a crash grab , sometimes good writers make mistakes and good stories not always come out , Neil wrote the first one and he deserves praise for that game , not videos telling he is a sell out , Neil just believed in the story he wanted to tell and it just didn’t work

[@Skylancer727]

This was a mistake. They should have left the masterpiece as a one and done instead of milking it for all it is worth.

[@justincastillo4739]

Gta 5 online is milking a game, having a sequel is not milking a game. But yeah they probably shouldve left it alone but oh well, at least the gameplay was good

[@Gabrilos505]

The Last of Us is kinda like Arkane Studios's Dishonored, it works for one game, and it's amazing, but it probably should've been a one off with no sequels

[@ErickRodriguez-gl5wg]

Kyel ! Except this sequel did ruin the first games whole purpose.

[@Skylancer727]

@@justincastillo4739 decent, just decent. And no, they clearly did it just because the first sold so well. They knew a sequel would carry sales more than starting a new franchise so that's what they did.

[@jakeh_13]

making a sequel isn’t miking a franchise milking a franchise would be making like 10 games (Assassin’s Creed) however i agree with you that they should of made a single last of us. always thought the original the last of us game didn’t ever need a sequel

[@calebrobinson4616]

I’ll forgive it if we get a dlc where I get to drown Abby as an alternate ending

[@ccateni28]

👍

[@GrievousReborn]

Naughty Dog said there will be NO DLC

[@MyShiroyuki]

Grievous Reborn I guess they knew people would hate it and wouldn’t support any DLC.

[@marywilcox3102]

@@MyShiroyuki And it sold 4 million copies in 3 days. Who cares at this point?!

[@GForceIntel]

@@marywilcox3102 bet you 98% are not satisfied with the outcome

[@gnumann64]

4:30 "this story is about hate". Oh boy was he right with how many people hate him and ND now. Also lost all respect for Troy Baker for lying and shilling so hard.

[@finecastleie]

Talk about good marketing though, he did manage to get his intended audience to hate it.

[@alejandrodecorse9437]

Hahaha

[@ghosteclipse8875]

@@finecastleie Troy Baker lying? He warned us that this was going to be a divisive game before it launched

[@DR3S1NGH]

@@ghosteclipse8875 Then said a couple of screenshots didnt change how the game really is, when in reality all the context made the game even worse

[@ghosteclipse8875]

@@DR3S1NGH Oh sorry, now I got the part where he highlights Troy Baker defending

[@iliasVoolgaris]

The moronic thing ND protectors say is "You're just mad they killed Joel". 99% of people expected Joel to die in the sequel. It made sense for Ellie to grow, as we were pretty aware we'll be in control of her, for the most part in a TLoU sequel, that was never the problem. Even Ellie finding out about what really happened in the hospital and being mad at him, all story beats that make sense, he's not a saint we all understand what he did was morally wrong, but there's a reason people say that he was treated very disrespectfully, he died like a fukcing clicker you stab in a basement trying to beat a level. And on top of that, you get 10 hours of gameplay as the woman who killed him. It was such a mess of wrong decision after wrong decision.

[@malbosc1087]

Even clickers you stab them swiftly you dont torture them 15 min with à golf club

[@bar-elch7809]

I hope the next God of War doesn't turn out like this

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

Hmm

[@humbleservant7797]

If kratos dies atleast the covered they ass with end of the first game since we know its prophecy. I wanted to say santa monica neva disappoints, but neitheir did ND till this game.

[@GForceIntel]

That's impossible.

[@jortharob3406]

Kratos dies and Atreus loses his identity and wants to be called MA'AM! 😂😂😂 Edit I know about Loki's questionable history did wanna say his name In case people didn't play the game.

[@rileyschmidt8753]

well as long as Neil isn't working on it

[@ilikesleepZ]

" I swear -- " and that's where it should have ended permanently.

[@Paradoxriom]

you mean "okay.."

[@foxhound931]

You mean the "credits music"?

[@skep7964]

@@Paradoxriom tbh this one of the best endings with a clifhanger and i wasnt mad about it because i trustet ND to do another master peace they did but its not a hood game if you play the first one (i played part 2 befor i just finished part 1 and i get why the people are mad now)

[@matteomeloni3681]

I just refuse to aknowledge that this is canon, I don't care.

[@SavageRush012]

Jim Sterling is in the LGB community and even he dumped on the sequel's story. Forget 1 to 10 ratings. This games rating scale is 1 to 7 at best.

[@TheHikeChoseMe]

i'm a lesbian. i'm all for having a diverse cast of characters. the whole story just doesnt make any sense. i was all excited to get the game, when i found the leaks and yikes. big nope for me

[@StNerevar76]

@@megjenb He also said he envied people like you. Because you clearly still haven't discovered books, or movies, and if you think this is masterful storytelling, you have actual wonderful things waiting for you ahead. It's in his first video about the game, it's the very beginning.

[@SavageRush012]

@@megjenb Yeah I did. He made two videos on the game. In the first he gave his impressions and said he liked the gameplay and went on to point out problems with it's pacing and narrative. The second video he basically said the story is nothing special. Don't just listen to a reviewer's words, but try to understand as well.

[@Brando0406]

Imagine watching Jim Sterling

[@darksidegryphon5393]

*LGBT

[@MrYFM2]

The biggest problem was that it took 7 years of development, which apparently was enough time for them to overthink the story and fate of the characters for the second installment rather than just making a simple sequel game. I'd always choose the simple, mediocre story that makes sense, over the outrageous and grandiose story that tries to teach you a lesson most people already have a grasp on.

[@anneshepard]

The fact he says he rather have people hating the game than thinking "it was ok" made me sick. The classic "love or hate me but give me views and attention" bs

[@gabethyrubenstein7984]

"simple sequel game" what does this even mean? the first game had death by suicide, explosion, attempted sexual assault (and even some sexual assault" and allowing the world to die because Joel wanted to save the person he loved. how could you possibly make a "simple squel game?" like most fans, you just didn't like the story that was told

[@YTuseraL2694]

​​@@gabethyrubenstein7984you didn't like the story that was told" and that's... Bad? Really? You're only allowed to like the game that was told to be legit, is that it? Wtf. As for Joel "dooming" the world, for one, world isalready beyond saying, figuratively or literally. Secondly, for anyone with brains to reject or at least see through Drucky's blatant retcons, vaccine was never guaranteed in the first place, and even had it been made, would likely have solved close to nothing.

[@quinnarnold8733]

That opening clip of Druckmann pretty much proves this game was intended to shirk off the former fan base in search of a new one.

[@Picollus1]

Quinn Arnold it is not about fan base.

[@grayaj23]

And everyone fell for it. A pox on both their houses.

[@arclight_greatsenpai7073]

@@Picollus1 then who? Non-players? Cause yh i guess most of them SJW sounds more like it...

[@kc4276]

I agree. A new audience for beyond video games (like the recently announced TV series) - a larger potential audience leading to more financial success. I think this is Neil shifting from the video game business to the culture 'business'.

[@rileyjohns7933]

So I just finished the game today and I felt so empty and feeling so unaccomplished I've never had this feeling so bad after finishing a game, the story was getting so bad half way through the abby section I had to stop playing and take a few day break because I was so fed up with the story, I feel like they absolutely destroyed a game series that could have been amazing so I'm going to play the first game again and forget this one even exists

[@SydBarker]

I know what you mean, I had the same issues with this game. I finished the game a few days ago and I still feel bad. It's awful.

[@maxlandry2745]

I have stop playing at the abby part too

[@HectorArchundia]

wanna play factions?

[@justkickingit272]

My feelings exactly

[@wesleyhowes373]

Same here. Although it may have turned me off from video games completely for awhile. Maybe forever. ..Theres the cover crates etc..., here we go again...lol... Repetitive boring and bland.... The guitar mechanic was cool though. You could play whole songs.

[@CinemainMotion]

"undue blame" He literally was the person in charge of the game. That blame is HIS, whether he wants to accept that or not. Not accepting it only shows he's incapable of being a real leader.

[@robokill387]

what do you expect from a nu-male liek him?

[@grumpytitan3926]

If Bruce did stay this game would’ve been better

[@Inressa]

@Fuhe Yu Literally zero evidence.

[@wxhammii6922]

Totally agree

[@zakimubarak7862]

@Fuhe Yu Bruce aint falling for any of the feminist at play

[@canvas_125]

@@Inressa are you kidding me? Drunkman wanted to make Tess the villain and Bruce was there to keep him in check. Simple Google search. Bruce and the ones who left Drunkman were the real geniuses of the first game.

[@Dr.Oofers]

@@canvas_125 Might be why there is such a tone shift between the first game and second game.

[@redohealer2]

How the tables have turned.

[@darthrevan454]

How the turn tables

[@banzaicroc9227]

Turned the tables have

[@yaboidarkrai1920]

Have the tables turned how

[@fox_gold4340]

Tables how turned the have

[@SILVER_JP]

table.

[@lwrcica5]

Pretty simple. I don't like the direction the 2nd installment went, nor how the launch went, so my $$ stayed in my pocket. Next.

[@Stretch501st]

I’ll probably buy it on sale during Black Friday, but yeah I’m not gonna spend 60 bucks on it

[@stealthbrawler]

@@Stretch501st Nah..look at some older games man

[@alehop333]

@@Stretch501st Buy it used. None of the money will go to ND, only to the store, and it will be cheaper

[@mrpetebojangles21]

Good job man! Even without your money TLOUS2 is the fastest selling first party PS4 game in history. Whiny idiot.

[@YevheniyKripak]

So... You formed your opinion without having played the game..? Okay.

[@CevaQ]

I liked Troy Baker but this guy in this time went out & blatantly lied about this story and utter disrespect for a beloved character. For me the sooner Druckmann is gone the better.

[@baditude41]

I agree whole heartedly.

[@JayDuverney]

I disagree wholeheartedly

[@omarlugos]

i cannot wait for the dlc, so i can not fucking buy it,

[@nickelakon5369]

I've always felt iffy in Troy after he dropped playing various characters for no reason. Most voice actors I've seen get really connected to their characters, especially when they kind of jump start their fame, but Troy seems to have no connection to characters unless they're from titles that are essentially the video game version of oscar bait.

[@briandc2216]

BrokeHomieQuan Nolan North is better, I fuckin said it

[@Mihogan]

Never have I switched from respecting to despising somebody so quickly like I do Druckmann.

[@henreebee6561]

I definitely don’t despise him. I reserve that level of hate for you know... actual bad people, not someone who’s art I didn’t like lol. But I did lose a lot of faith in his storytelling ability with this game.

[@MrSmithGuy]

Nah, despise him, his behaviour, both prior to the game’s release, lying to and actively deceiving fans in order to secure their pre-order money and since, accusing all those who say anything against it as being stupid, misogynistic, homophobic, trans-phobic bigots is deserving of that at the very least.

[@henreebee6561]

MrNickguy1 - lying to fans? You mean by not telling us Abby is a main part of the game? I mean, I don’t mind that- it would have ruined the surprise. I don’t think he was doing that just to get our money. It’s just too bad the surprise kinda sucked.

[@PassportGaming]

Henree Bee Not to mention he forced out Amy, Bruce Straley, most of the naughty dog staff, and overworks his employees to the point of hating their jobs. Like the guy in the video showed us

[@gabethyrubenstein7984]

wow, over a video game no less. he still has your sixty bucks

[@julianx2rl]

I remember the God of War writers saying that they started to get carried with all kinds of ideas. But realized that they were getting too far from the main premise, almost stranding into sequel territory.

[@asadbhatti4506]

They realized it but naughty dog didn't they got carried away

[@jmaxim3474]

I would rather have a game with bad graphics and a GREAT story instead of good graphics and a bad story

[@GOffensive]

And you got great graphics and a great story here. Unless you are too stupid to understand it that is.

[@sosig8332]

@@GOffensive yeah, this game is amazing, some people are too stupid or brainwashed by pathetic stories these days, everyone wanted to feel right instead of realising that they're wrong. Thats whats happening with this, people want a nice little fairy tale. This story is about revenge, and how it destroys people.

[@lukescrew1981]

@@GOffensive Compared to the first one it is shit

[@lukescrew1981]

@@sosig8332 It's not the worst thing ever but compared to the first one it is pretty shitty

[@delusionfrag1]

​@@sosig8332 All art is subjective. This time around they painted a beautiful painting of a fuck finger, expecting people to "get it" If you are an art snob you might like the boldness of it, but for the average joe its just a fuck finger.

[@alexjay8257]

The Dr. Uckmann card was pretty ... prettttyyy.. prettttyyyyyyy cringey.

[@madalindragan7722]

So is your comment!

[@lastmanstanding7155]

@@madalindragan7722 No u

[@oisinosborne4154]

Have you played a Hideo kojima he was been putting himself in his video game for years and Neil is a big fan of Hideos. Also the old bait and switch is a trick foundly used by Kojima so it nothing we haven't seen before.

[@soulofdeath9303]

@@oisinosborne4154 but at least he didn't renamed himself lol

[@gustavohuehue7460]

@@soulofdeath9303 it's suposed to ve an easter egg, not actually him in the game.

[@Gweb52]

Love how he said at 4:17 that this game was about hate , yet they spend a good 10-12 hours doing every possible manipulative thing to get people to like Abby .

[@enenrax]

all this could have been solved with the endgame having 2 endings, we would decide if we were going to forgive Abby or not. only one choice and world would be better. and IF there is tlou3 with Ellie, they might just not mention that ending and the sequel would be the ending we chose.

[@gigachad3925]

And they also did everything they could to make you hate her. Just because they showed you Abby’s perspective doesn’t mean they are trying to tell you “Abby good and Ellie bad”. If they wanted to make Abby the good guy they wouldn’t have made her a ruthless killer. When Yara calls Abby a good person, that’s not the game telling you, it’s just Yara telling you because the only context Yara had of Abby was her saving people. The point is that both Abby and Ellie become awful people, yet both still have a glimmer of hope inside of them.

[@DavidsonPaulo]

Artists be like: "I'll do whatever pleases me and if people don't like it it's because they're stupid."

[@patrickm.7084]

literally everyone defending tlou2

[@HectorArchundia]

@TheVirusSoftware I consider myself a fan of part 1, I actually still play factions BUT I HAVE A GODDAMN BRAIN AND CRITERIA.

[@mishoa1]

Please, like the people who like it are any better.

[@zionsimanian9310]

WarGod Venersis which comment are you referring to?

[@zakimubarak7862]

only pretentious one like whats left of those guys

[@Kameesama]

I just want to return the game, racism,lesbian or whatever they dont matter, but fake advertising has really been disgusted me.

[@Andareas]

Fake advertising?

[@allegedlyallegedly3183]

@@Andareas yes fake advertising. ND are liers

[@austinsmith3011]

Reading comments as I listen to the video.. just curious.. what are some examples of false advertising. Forgive the question if it is answered in the video. PS I am an exclusive pc gamer, so I will probably never play LoU or LoU2 so I have no dog in this.

[@dimitree7543]

@@austinsmith3011 well, it was said, that we wouldn't have to kill dogs, cuz that's unnececarily cruel, then the whole thing with manipulating footage, never mentiining half of the game and it just goes on like z that. I actually wanted to buy the game 4 me and a friend, but after seeing how shit it is, I'm glad I didn't have to do that to ourselves ;)

[@nicholasarchie6440]

Racism?

[@LithiumLogica]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to play a sequel to a sequel that spits in your face.

[@snusemcgoose1001]

They killed our favorite father figure in the game on Father's Day, and thats just to scratch the surface, these people are morally heartless

[@Alex-fz3oz]

A true gamer takes the game he loves personally. Thats normal...

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

@JamesHLanier Because it's completely missing the point of the original and just slapping on a name for brand recognition. Just look at what happened to the Final Fantasy franchise.

[@BirdOfHermes83]

It might be their fetish 🤢

[@BirdOfHermes83]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz if the first one makes them alot of money. Of course they're going to make another one!

[@perchipy7900]

I went into the game completely unspoiled and ready to love it, and I was so thoroughly disappointed at the middle through the end I cannot bring myself to play it a second time for all the secrets and enjoy the gorgeous graphics. It is a bankrupt for a narrative-driven experience.

[@Seb90009]

I would love to know Abby’s workout routine. Probably all that golfing

[@zionsimanian9310]

Big mountains made of steroids. Every meal should have at least 10 pills ground into the food

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

I don’t consider this so called “sequel” canon it is just really bad Fanfiction. The Last of Us never had a sequel and never will have a sequel that’s final.

[@TheMrCHELL]

It has. You were even watching a video about it.

[@g9900-n9c]

@JamesHLanier gameplay yes. Graphics yes. Story and writing no.

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

Conan this is not canon to me. You have heard of headcanon right?

[@tuckerjohnston1844]

JamesHLanier no your wrong this Fanfiction sequel game is not superior because this so called “story” is dogshit.

[@Hubert_Cumberdale_]

@@tuckerjohnston1844 Headcanon is the only canon that counts.

[@thechainsawcollection1749]

Sounds like everything went down for Naughty Dog after Bruce Straley leaved the studio

[@gojosatoru4875]

Tbh the first TLOU was okay but when it came to TLOU 2 i never hated such a game before like this-

[@gspida25]

No shit really went down hill when Amy Hennig bounce.

[@Kiddo_williams]

Actually Neil druckmann is the main director behind the first game so

[@thunderbug8640]

@@Kiddo_williams The first game in its plot and concept is much simpler than the second one. If the same guy wrote both it shows he had the writing skills required to create that story [TLOU1] but was not skilled enough to properly craft this one [TLOU2].

[@SSdecline]

@@Kiddo_williams Both him and Straley. And Straley was the one advising Druckmann that a revenge story in a setting like this was retarded. First game had Tess as the antagonist following the characters through america. read more about the dynamics in the making of the first game,you would be surprised about how bad it was for druckmann to not work in pairs

[@jonathanfan8813]

this game is an overexaggeration of the darkness of humanity and less expression on its bright side, it is due to the director's less capability and over confidence

[@fiveaeonspast]

"We love these characters so much that we're gonna give them the most miserable end possible for shock value" Neil Geniusmann, 2016

[@maxdirks8213]

Did he really say that?

[@laureloneiros1500]

If you only see shock value, I’m sorry for you

[@bba3875]

Laurel Oneiros if you don’t see the poorly misconstrued “shock value”, I feel sorry for you.

[@rcballesteros]

We love Sam and his Brother in TLOU Pt. 1 and yet Sam dies horribly and his brother commits suicide seconds after killing him. Through the same scope that's just shock for you and develops nothing for the story, nothing advances here, worse, the people we spent a few hours bonding with get erased all of the sudden. We also love the protagonists and when one of them dies we could see only shock... or the match that starts a fire (and later develops into more important concepts when we meet more characters). Going back to Sam and his brother, they're more than shock, they're a reflection of our protagonists and what would happen to them if one of them dies, the same way they could be only shock for the game they could also serve a purpose. Also, people seem to be angry at the way Jo el dies, as if he was supposed to die in an heroic or peaceful way, or not die at all, why? Loving someone doesn't make them immoral, and in such bleak and cruel world why are they supposed to die in a respetable or even important way? why? Because they're videogame characters? Doesn't make sense

[@GoodwinGhost]

why is everyone's defense of the story actually an attack on the people who disagree with it? like "who's really being disrespectful of the characters" or "you're just too closed minded to understand the story"

[@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN]

You assume these people are interested in honest debate and an exchange of opinions. They aren't.

[@mihru6479]

a lot of the comments i see on youtube shitting on people for shitting on the game are payed libtards doing their job of spreading their agenda by defending a game that was meant to be a breakthrough in lgbt and feminism storytelling its why i see the same 2 or 3 arguments defending it compared to the dozens ive seen of people who dislike the game id love to genuinly be able to prove what im saying except for the ridicilously obvious patterns they follow but i sadly cant not saying everybody who defends the game is like that but theres tons of people who say the same copypasta all the time about what a masterpiece this game is and you simply do not get it because youre dumb and blinded by nostalgia and bias and whatever else they said so far

[@TBMYT]

In Instagram, lots of "paid reviewer" said the game is masterpiece

[@RyanYeehaw]

Everyone’s defence of the story isn’t like that, actually. Seems like you didn’t look very hard, or you’re just trying to misrepresent how people who liked the story act.

[@SonOfSeth]

@@RyanYeehaw Huge surprise that. I'm still looking for a video with more than one or two coherent critical points, while rest being misrepresenting or misunderstanding the story.

[@_V.Va_]

They knew they couldn't top the first game's story so they just went full regal with this one so everyone just hates it.

[@StayFractalesque]

everyone actually loves it, best thing we've played all year, and we all agree it's a flawless masterpiece and 100x better than the first game..

[@skeleex]

@@StayFractalesque You have to be a fucking troll. 100x better than the first game? Explain what parts are good? Hmm other then the gameplay?

[@nekronaium]

@@skeleex maybe he is sarcastic or I hope so...

[@Setogayamari]

@@skeleex the whole game was great. Both games. Might not be better than the first one but it's still a good game. Playing the game is an entire new experience

[@Jonas6032]

Stay Fractalesque *”Everyone”*

[@juicestains52]

I think the biggest contributor to all of this was the unfortunate external factors. It’s one thing to make a game that you know will anger fans to an extent but for it to be released during a global pandemic where not only are ppl having a rough time getting through life but have to be thoughtful on the commodities they purchase? You’re kind of taking what could’ve been a cathartic and refreshing place for ppl to revisit a world and characters that they missed for so long and slapping them across the face with something cynical, uncomfortable and downright mean. At a time when there was no shortage of that in real life already.

[@bradtorville5526]

For a game that's "the most accessible ever," it's a damn shame it's simply not worth playing from a story standpoint. The story? You do remember how important story-telling is in a game, particularly one called The Last of Us? Yeah, oh well, at least it's accessible.

[@StayFractalesque]

you haven't played it have u.. 🥴

[@rapalla021]

Have you played it start to finish?

[@aimanrizal97]

@@StayFractalesque You don't have to play it to know how shit it is.

[@sonicfan12121]

@@aimanrizal97 Yes you do? I don't like it either before you start reeeeing, but that judgement came from my own experience with the game, not some smartass on the internet.

[@alley-man0557]

Nope don’t have to play to know the plot, story, characters etc. All of which can be gained through journalists, reviews and play throughs. Since when do you HAVE to play a game to have an opinion about it?

[@etmstMdg]

They tried to pull on our heartstrings but they pulled our balls

[@leviticus6896]

Now that a BIG FUKEN OOF

[@WOODPAUL1000]

I’ve said this before and I believe the game to be a true 6/10 experience. The first game will always be a masterpiece and Joel’s decision is still talked about to this day. Whether you believe him to be justified or not THAT is powerful story telling. Sadly this game will be remembered for its shortcomings and story that tore the fan base apart because we can’t have an honest conversation about it, our criticism is turned into attacks which is ironic because the game ask you to look at the other side, maybe the critics and devs should take a page out of their own book instead of believing they only release hit after hit.

[@rickylovesyou]

Well said.

[@karmax5615]

For me it’s a 5/10

[@aidan7631]

Exactly my thoughts. I’ve seen so many reviews either call it dogshit or a masterpiece, but I can’t agree with either of them. For me it’s a 6 as well.

[@gvasilyev84]

Well, the director of the game went for maximum shock value, so of course it came out polarizing. And BTW judging by the Metacritic, they bought professional reviewers wholesale, did not see a single negative review from any outlet, at least in the US. Or, even worse, all the "official critics" are just too afraid to go against the "party line". Like, you know in some other country with name starting with "US..."

[@jacklane104]

I just finished my 2nd time through. I'm in my mid 50s and have played maybe 40 games total since PS1, so I don't have near the experience to comment, maybe. Like everyone else, I've waited years for this game to come out with baited breath (whatever the hell that means). It wasn't the story I thought it would be. It was misery from beginning to end. But... I love Stephen King. I read the Gunslinger series as the books came out. Some were better than others, but I enjoyed them all... except the last 10 pages of the last book. My adult son loved the end while I hated it. It didn't ruin the series for me, but I was pissed for awhile. As for TLOU2? I didn't feel like it was shoving political or liberal agendas. That's just bullshit. I feel like it was maybe too real, because life can really suck in our world. In a post apocalyptic world, I can see where this story would be authentic. Depressing as hell, but believable. So, I liked the gameplay. The saving grace for me was that it showed what happens when the desire for revenge becomes one's singular driving force, it not only ruins that person's life but also the lives of their loved ones. And if one achieves their goal of vengeance it just leads to another's need for vengeance. At some point someone has to say "enough" and break the cycle. I've been wanting to say all this for awhile and I'm greatful for the chance to unload.