Legendary Crafting and Trials of Mount Tiamat - Idle Champions

[@emmote77]

Great guide as always. I would just add for those who may want to go upgrade spamming: Upgrades increase the damage of the legendary upgraded by a flat x2 multiplier. Doesn't matter if that's upgrading from level 1-2 or 19-20. Naturally though - the 19-20 upgrade will cost more for the same benefit. Because of this: *ALWAYS* upgrade your lowest level applicable legendary. It's the most cost-efficient.

[@tyredack]

And a very good point as always. I went over the fact mine were leveled to 11-13 but didn't say why I kept them all in that range together. Wouldn't be me if I didn't miss something along the way.

[@robotroy]

Perfect timing for me, I just started Trials 2 weeks ago and had no idea what these changes might have meant or how the system worked. Another great video! And thanks for the peeking gnome.

[@tyredack]

Glad I was able to get this up at the right time for you! I gnome you guys any chance I get, can't help it.

[@dreckar5480]

I am not going to lie I am one of those new players who unlocked Trails of Mount Tiamat and instantly ignored it because I did not want to hinder other players with my very poor ilvl or lack of knowledge of the game mechanics. Your video has me reconsidering it, I will probably watch it a few more times and try it out. Thanks again for the clear, concise and entertaining method of delivering complex mechanics that even the newest of players can follow.

[@tyredack]

Good to hear! It seems to be a common thing for a lot newer players to shy away from it and I don't like seeing that, because even if you run it on the lowest difficulty until you're more comfortable with it the rewards really help out.

[@legendmaker694]

Clear, clean, funny and concise. Great one! I was already well informed on the topic, having fished for info all over the place, then found the old blog post update on CNE's site and devoured it, then looked up and read up some more. Your guide still exposed more for me, notably the info on buff selection and how they stack and add up was new and clearer than what I went by till now. More importantly, you've opened my eyes about Jarlaxle and Makos and more generally who to pick for "Jury Duty " as Gaarawarr aplty calls it. ^^ These two barely give above 10% if they come from me, which seems like a very bad idea in retrospect. In my current run (Grand Legend) one party member's Paultin maxes out our scales bonus on his own. It's pretty likely another member's Jarlaxle could have helped us a ton more than mine (especially since I run relatively high tiers compared to my account's age, so my evergreens' ilevels are puny). I'll stop doing that with the next Trials. Thanks a bunch! By the way, the Game's UI for the Forge is very very tedious and impractical, especially for planning or checking where you're at. Out of all the things the user-made companion site ByteGlow makes a ton easier and clearer for us, I think their Legendaries tab (which they've already updated for the new patch) is one of the best (along with the Modron tab). Of course, although this site does nothing against CNE's ToS and it's popular and established enough CNE certainly knows about it and doesn't have an issue with a lot of players using it... Advertising it directly might still not be in your best interest just in case CNE change their minds on it further down the line or something. But man, what a time saver! You can see all of your Legendaries, sort them by Favor, Level, Effect, and so much more. Certainly beats awkwardly clicking through each legendary slot of every champion through the in-game grid where they're sorted by order of release and that's it. ^^ Gotta love the effort and humor that went into the pics at 12:51. I humbly contribute to all three stacks, but are they additive or multiplicative? ^^ I hope it's the latter.

[@tyredack]

Appreciate it! It can be hard sometimes, though, because it might even be that no one locks in those important roles as well if you don't even at a lower %. Generally, though, someone will but you have to be watchful. It is true this game has some UI issues no doubt. They suffer from being on all Mobile, PC, and Console in a state of constantly updating all of them. I haven't tinkered with ByteGlow much personally, but I know plenty of people enjoy it. Thanks for the trifecta! Lol, I didn't think about their scaling, so if they end up being multiplicative that's going to scale pretty damn hard!

[@mein2006]

Nice Like, Sub, and Bell "gear" at the end. Great level numbers! 80085, classic! I've learned a lot from your videos. Keep up the great work!

[@tyredack]

Lol, thanks, sometimes I can't help myself with the classic, you know? Glad to be of help along your Idle Champion'ing.

[@kerutlj]

Great video and information, oh and always an amazing voice!! Your Like Sub and Bell equipment was amazing!😄

[@tyredack]

Appreciate it! But what would the other 3 pieces of equipment be I wonder...

[@CS.AtheistChannel.VoteBidenAOC]

Epic play button Fabled comment. (A plaque with glyphs) ... A shiny gnome?

[@kmsallfoknday7022]

Idk why this was in my recommended but your commentary is strangely pleasant.

[@tyredack]

I appreciate that. Glad I was able to somehow sneak in there and you didn't hate it.

[@silenceofdoom]

About being scared of the trials, I think that the first three difficulty levels, maybe even the fourth one, are way easier than the last level of Decent. At this point, reaching area 100 on the first try, without any bonus from favors, is trivial. A trick I've found for upgrades, maybe it's an exploit, is to go as far as possible before resetting, either during free play on lightly restricted variants. If I can reach a point where resetting would give me at least close to 100% of my current favor, I spend as much as campaign favor before resetting then, I get everything back from the reset. It doesn't really matters if my favor go from e40 to e5 when I will get e42 from the reset after my spending spree

[@tyredack]

A good point about the difficulty. If you can unlock it, you can do it!

[@lefterisnydras4860]

Thank you brother for explaining to new players. Great work as always

[@tyredack]

My pleasure! Glad to be of help.

[@emmote77]

5:29. I feel that. I managed to hit e930 BUD before the double legendary bug was fixed. The refund was great though. I went from e119% on my legendaries to e292%. I thought the rework was generally in the right direction - but I'm really sad they didn't change reforging. It's still terrible. Trying to turn dud legendaries into applicable legendaries - especially on champions with 3/6 that apply is painful.

[@tyredack]

As soon as I started peaking those numbers, I knew something was wrong because the math was not adding up, but it was fun while it lasted. I agree, reforging should have changed along with everything else. But the fact it stayed the same and everything else is for the better is at least a positive step without an actual step back, which is often what happens lol

[@emmote77]

The legendaries have actually been applying twice ever since the start - but yeah - the refunds really highlighted it when some of the Artemis people were breaking e1100 BUD. Ridiculous numbers... And true on that. At least reforging being untied from forging now allows people to do both every week. Definitely a benefit to newer players.

[@tyredack]

@@emmote77 Yeah, I didn't notice it until the change when I did a big batch of upgrades and spiked like e150/200 in BUD I was like... uhoh.

[@KenshinPy]

Thanks for the videos, cleared one or 2 things i was not sure about xD. now to farm favor to get those legendarys leveled up.

[@tyredack]

Glad I could help you clear those things up. Get those legendaries!

[@Pineapply_Queen]

I actually went out of my way to make a spreadsheet of Asharra and all applicable Potpourri and Half-n-Half champions, what gear they have, what the best Legendary (or Legendaries in the case of ties) would be based on my formation, and whether or not I've gotten that Legendary on each piece of gear. This was before Byteglow added a favorites feature to the Legendaries page so this was more convinent than scrolling through a bunch of other champions to find Orkira or Valentine. Admittedly I didn't pay too much attention to the update, so it's good to know I don't have to wait to start upgrading Legendaries that aren't waiting to be reforged (though I might have to start doing Favor Farming runs again if I want to get anywhere with that). I've been slowly grinding Zorbu stacks in the background think he'd have to be how I beat Grand Torment but maybe there's hope for my multiattacking birb.

[@tyredack]

You always know you're getting into a game when you go pen to paper (literally or figuratively) to figure things out. Get ready to pump that Favor back up after super charging that Birb!

[@AWDTalon92]

"The longer you go, the harder it is. " Phrasing Tyredyke, Phrasing!

[@tyredack]

Archer moment

[@Egalia_1]

Thank you for your videos, without it I’d still be hard stuck on the first few campaigns

[@tyredack]

Most of that comes from you own skill, but I'm glad if I've been able to help along the way!

[@PragmaticPsychiatry]

Suuchhh a good change for the game. Very happy with this change to legendary forging.

[@tyredack]

It's always good to see when a change comes to a game like this that is just a standard good thing all around for everyone.

[@gjorginbibin]

holy shit 800+ dps !!! Great video as always

[@tyredack]

It will be missed. Appreciate it!

[@sohu86x]

Excellent video as usual. Upvoted :)

[@tyredack]

Appreciated it as usual! Thanks for making that like button legendary.

[@JesseStutsman]

it was a great update to push everything to legendary, however i'm not sure if i'll ever have enough favor to keep upgrading..thanks again for a great video

[@tyredack]

As long as you have a decent gold farm you will make up that Favor in no time. You can make up multiple exponents worth in a good push once you've drained it down. You got this!

[@JesseStutsman]

@@tyredack thanks man, embarrassed to say i've never gold farmed in the year or so i've been playing

[@donaldlouie7354]

Great info, tyvm!!

[@tyredack]

Appreciate it!

[@daniloshimabuko]

You are amazing! I love your vids!

[@tyredack]

Don't know about that amazing part, but I'm glad you love them!

[@Greplt76]

Perfect. Thx!

[@chaosgyro]

Looking through the Trials restrictions...how does someone even manage to clear stuff by the end? If you're using a fairly restrictive setup - and all the top DPS do - then how can you get enough required champs when you're down a couple slots and have several attributes locked to 14+?

[@tyredack]

It does get quite difficult and is why I often rank Champions a bit lower when I take availability into consideration. Just takes buffing up those numbers and potentially relying on CDB by farming up Bahamut Favor that week in Free plays if you get a really bad setup. It will rarely get to Day 5 or 6 unless your group isn't clearing days + doesn't have good assault damage bonuses, though.

[@sallamachar9148]

Amazing guide. While Torogar's %300 buff looks amazing if 6 items will hold it, it is most unreliable one. If another Minotaur is introduced, they will cut the buff in half while giving you chance to dismantle. Does dismantling the reforged item gives back favor and additional scales? I dont think so. And can you reforge higher legendary level items? I am still trying to get all equipments legendary for my formation.

[@tyredack]

Much appreciated! It's wholly possible that will happen, and you do not get back the Favor. Just a potion of the equivalent level legendary to use freely on a different Champion. And you can reforge any level and it will maintain its level, just reroll the affix.

[@itsLalm]

well, if they did do that they probably wouldnt cut it in half. d'hani's per aarakocra is at 230% with three of them in the game. it seems more tied to a loose sense of how likely is it that another champion of this race is added to the game ontop of the current population. rather then being directly tied to the current amount. after all there is only 1 goblin and its set at 260%. add in the fact that this takes alot of effort to pull off and torogar is hardly the strongest support in the game and i really i dont see them nerfing it even if they do add another minotaur. they would probably have to add 2 or 3 before they'd consider nerfing it. and even if they did they would just lower it to 230% or something.

[@VideoGameVillians]

As of this change, every character became full legendaries for me. I used to always wait for minimum cost. As for rolling the same legendary effect on 2 pieces for one champ. Is that a recent change? Because when it was new I tried reforging on a champ that had all 6 pieces and got the same buff back so I thought it must be one of each only...

[@tyredack]

Nice, grats on that! Not to my knowledge. It was hard to see but when I was talking about that I show my Zorbu with 2 Male Damage rolls and those happened fairly early on for me. There might be a priority system in place that lowers the chance that they haven't talked about, but it's certainly possible.

[@ejnarsorensen2920]

Last week I beat a new high level of trial with less than 10 minutes to spare. Every assault damage can count!

[@tyredack]

Nice, must have felt good to sneak that win in at the last second. It is true though, never give up!

[@sarubo6652]

Top video!

[@TheKarishi]

Just realized the scale cost used to...scale. :p

[@tyredack]

I heard you like scaling, so I gave you scales to scale your scales.

[@alexsuperpower1]

Great video, actually quite a long time player here but I never focussed much on legendaries (bad I know) I have two questions. You say you don't recommend reforging, from what stage in the game would you recommend it? To get some of the better rolls on champions (especially main dps) I assume could be worth the rolls. And secondly is there a way to figure out easily till what level you should upgrade the legendaries?

[@tyredack]

Appreciate it! It really is a hard thing to answer as there are a lot of variables, but I will say reforging is for sure worth doing, you just don't want to push it too hard too fast so that scaling cost doesn't skyrocket. I kind of give myself 1 reforge a week to maintain a relatively low cost so I don't burn through scales, but if you have it down to like 1k absolutely give it a go on a bunk legendary. If you have to choose between reforging, crafting, or upgrading, it's just generally more frugal to craft a new piece on your main formation or upgrade a good legendary that you know you're going to be using. As far as what level you want to upgrade to that's a balance of how many scales you have to work with and how many you're able to pull in a week. Emmote said it best in a previous comment, "Upgrades increase the damage of the legendary upgraded by a flat x2 multiplier. Doesn't matter if that's upgrading from level 1-2 or 19-20. Naturally though - the 19-20 upgrade will cost more for the same benefit. Because of this: ALWAYS upgrade your lowest level applicable legendary. It's the most cost-efficient."

[@ArmenianFire]

I still do not know where or how do I get my champions gear to a golden one, and where do you get the golden scrolls to level up the champions gear for 1000 levels.

[@tyredack]

If we're talking a "Golden Epic," the step up from Shiny, there are only a few ways and usually has to do with paying money. There are Golden Epics for Ulkoria, Azaka, Dragonbait, and Reya in the Patron Shops for the farmable Patron currencies, though. But if you've never crafted a Legendary, that gives it a different type of golden outline as well. The golden scrolls come from dismantling a Champion when that is available.

[@ArmenianFire]

@@tyredack Thank you, wanted to get Briv up to at least 800% and wasnt really able to do anything.

[@ZenciVer2]

Hi Tyredack, I hope you'll see this. What suggestion do you have for that stupidly annoying 60% damage every 10 seconds? I recently completed the 2nd highest Tiamat difficulty. But I struggled REALLY hard because of that debuff. Lucky me also used Calliope as entry champion. So I had no chance of shielding my heroes with any meaningful shields. The last few levels to complete (around level 1000) were abyssmal, because I had to brute force my way into the next stage by hoping for Brivs heal, with the healing spec, to outheal the damage. It had a mediocre chance of working. But oftentimes I would succeed after a LONG time, going forward and back. I fret of thinking of going into the next Tiamat challenge and having to face that debuff a third time (had it twice in a row :( ). What I tried so far, was using Korth, Dungeon Master and Antrius for shielding. They stood no chance against the 60% damage. Only thing that saved my butt, was my Miria. She would usually stay alive, long after everybody else was dead, because she wasnt in the frontmost row. With her being alive, I could somehow clear the level with clicking damage and a click damage potion. Any words of advice how to struggle less in that challenge?

[@tyredack]

That is truly one of the worst ones to deal with, no doubt. There aren't too many ways to try and mitigate it sadly. There only suggestion I can make is you actually want as little health as possible. You might not want to use you high health boosted tanks and instead opt for ones like Krydle/Turiel/lower ilvl tanks so your healers actually have a chance to heal everyone up. 60% of e5 HP is something healers can help with vs like e9 where their healing does nothing.

[@ZenciVer2]

@@tyredack Havent thought of Krydle and Turiel. Gonna try them out next time. Thank you.

[@bradleyscott6304]

I can't believe every time I watch this you poop your pants

[@tyredack]

Hey, not *every* time. Just, sometimes.

[@Vol77733]

I wonder if trials are getting too easy. I started at the beginning of june doing trials and now I am constantly winning at the highest tier without any problems. I haven't lost any trials and they always end like two days before deadline. I am playing only in public teams. Also I wonder how I get some times like 4,5 e4 scales and other weeks I get only 1,77 e4 which should be the maximum, if I understand correctly. Maybe there is some bug or feature I don't know yet.

[@tyredack]

Yeah, 17,744 should be the standard. If you only got the increased amount once, the very first time you complete a difficulty you get extra, so that could have been it. I certainly wouldn't say no to a new batch of difficulties with more scales to be rewarded!

[@azumag4432]

Can you please recommend me 10 Champions to lvl up the legendaries on? I guess I need a 10 Champ push team. Maybe the Absolute Adversaries + 3 other Champions? Guess I don't need (at least at first) legendaries on my Gold/Favor Farm champs or on the "low tier" champions...or on the "speed" ones. So can you please recommend me something. (10 Champions to focus on)? Ty...and sorry for my english.

[@tyredack]

Talking specifically leveling legendaries for a pushing team, The Absolute Adversaries are a great option. And there are two more coming in the upcoming 3 months of Events (Minthara and Halsin), so they'll have even more to directly work with to round out that full team in the near future. There is always an Artemis team, which is technically the *best* performing DPS output, but The Dark Urge does win out in availability and a more ironed-out team. An Artemis team is ever-evolving, though, and often has changes to keep up with depending on new released Champions. Both are very valid options, Artemis for absolute peak numbers, The Dark Urge for an affiliation focus with a DPS that is always available and still has good numbers. If you want to research an Artemis team, I highly recommend joining the Idle Champions discord and looking at their dedicated channel for Artemis. He has a "meta" team, but there are plenty of options to choose so it's hard to directly state a solid 10 imo.

[@azumag4432]

@@tyredack I guess I need to research what an "Artemis Team" looks like...and to learn to use Discord. But tyvm for your lengthy comments/opinions! And sorry for my english

[@tyredack]

Your english is great! I could break down Artemis here for you a bit, but it will be a big infor dump and wall of text, so your call lol.

[@everettjohnson9374]

Jesus I was excited to get an item to level 300 lol seeing yours makes my accomplishment look weak af lol

[@tyredack]

Not at all, we're just at different stages. Every personal milestone you make is important and you should be excited for!

[@everettjohnson9374]

@@tyredack damn thanks man!

[@Brancliff]

I want to meet the person who has six lines of gnome damage.

[@tyredack]

Here's hoping they're at least using Zorbu as their DPS in that case.

[@Xailion]

I'm waay too stupid to do all this modron / tiamat stuff

[@tyredack]

When it comes to the Modron Cores, so am I, which why I just follow the guides other people make for ideal piping when working on my cores. 😅 Tiamat ain't so hard though. Just need to unlock it and make sure you keep pushing it when it's up, then just make some legendaries and level them up as you go.

[@666Rageburst666]

item lvl 10500... omg