Legends of Horizon Zero Dawn: ARTEMIS & ELEUTHIA

Legends, the series that explores the history and mysteries within the world of Horizon. In this episode, we expand on the origins and purpose of two of GAIA's sub-functions, ARTEMIS and ELEUTHIA. Join us as we delve into their respective and fascinating pasts.
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[@CrazyBanzai42]

I just started getting back in to HZD. Was curious about lore on KZbin. Sad that you're the only one pushing this. Great videos and I cannot wait for the future videos :)

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks so much! We publish a new vid every Sunday, and If you haven't already, hope you consider subscribing!

[@SkillaWillits]

Who were the writers on this game, this is an amazing story, their story craft is on the level of Hideo Kojima.

[@MaxC_1]

@@ThomDeth not to mention Kojima and Guerilla games have a great relationship considering the merger between the games and also the fact that Kojima was allowed to use the game engine for free by Guerilla

[@CrimsonAlchemist]

On the level of Japanese writers

[@EccentricGentelman]

I agree there might be a slim chance to gain access to Apollo's knowlege in possible sequels. The information collected by the people at Zero Dawn was encoded into DNA in synthetic fossils. It was the only way to make it compact enough for storage in the underground bunkers and prevent it from degrading for centuries. As I understand it, apollo would scan these fossils as a way of retriving the data which was held in a pysical form. Faro deleted the software that could read and relay this data but he couldn't have desroyed the data itself. Basicly he desroyed the librarian but not the library. Anything that can be created by man can be re-created, incuding the Apollo software. Tht's the whole reason he killed the Alphas isn't it?

[@NaturallyNavi]

EccentricGentelman That’s brilliant!

[@RandomSideQuest]

That's too funny, I just got this notification to this comment thread. Spoilers, we'll be covering this topic in depth sooner than later.

[@EccentricGentelman]

If you are going to do a video about Apollo I have some suggestions. Somone commented about the state of HZD society without Apollo and how Faro's purge diddn't result in the innocent world he thought it did. "Goes to show humans are just flawed" Personaly I think it's deeper then that. Apollo was also intened to tech the uture generations not to make the same mistakes, how can they do that if they don't know what the mistakes were? Also I think that our sociey, which is more liberal, fair, tolerant and kinder then the world of the past, was somthing learned and developed over time. Ideals like eqaulity, limited power of leader, seperation of religon and state, questioing the status quo and respecting other people's way of life. These poeple were never tuaght that. And then there were all the supersitions, like the ones that made Aloy an outcast from birth and was blamed for the tribe's bad luck. not to mention the pointless sun-ring. And if you want a more pratical reason, when Gaia destroyed herself she left the terraforming system to degrade and eventualy breakdown, his would end life on Earth if it were not fixed. Which the people (except Aloy) can't do becuase they don't even know Gaia exists. And here's a line I think would be great for the Apollo video, "Ted Faro my have destroyed the world a seccond time." What do you think?

[@RandomSideQuest]

Hey, those are really good suggestions, unfortunately the vid is already finished, just needs to be uploaded. Maybe for a lore bites later down the line though :)

[@EccentricGentelman]

Perhaps a lore bite exploring what the effects of the purge was other then lack of technical knowlege? What cultureal, societal and political problems developed in it's absence? If so could you maybe mention me in the credits?

[@stefanw.3562]

First of all: I love your series about the lore of HZD, absolute amazing work, thank you. I really hope this is or will be honored by Guerilla. It would be great if they would have incorporated some of your theories into "The Forbidden West". My little contribution to the ELEUTHIA topic: I think that when Aloy visits ELEUTHIA 9, in one scene it might be revealed, where the Nora's title "Brave" comes from. When Aloy activates the hologram, in which the servitor tells the meahwhile grown up kids that she has to release them to the outside because they ran out of food, the kids ask: "And when we are outside, what will become of us?". The servitor answers: "You will be brave". Maybe they transitioned this word to the title, that was given to the first ones who were strong enough to make a stand against the odds of the outside world.

[@amkdream]

I found this series after the announcement of the sequel and wow man good job !! HZD is one of my all time favourites im binge watching this for now

[@ChiliFrog]

Great job compiling all the data, do one on Vast Silver next

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks so much! I think I can definitely make that happen sooner than later!

[@MrAcehood321]

a very good explanation on these 2 sub functions. i mean i have a knowledge of most your videos due to playing the game and reading the lore but its just so good to hear other voice it. good work.

[@Tekirai]

Sooo that whole world is living without the joys of DAIRY!!! 😭😭

[@kelly-bo-belly]

Thank you for doing these!

[@anndra8687]

God damn it, Ted.

[@rbl4ever187]

I am more curious than ever what happened to Apollo. Its location, did it crash landed to earth somewhere, or was it just disconnected? The Alpha's did state the loss of vast knowledge because Ted purged it, but could stand to reason that nobody out side is alive to fix it. It could just be in outer space waiting to be reconnected. Sylens did say that the Cauldron can be repurposed to fabricate any thing. So, if Apollo is intact just physically disconnected in space there is a chance with the Cauldron.

[@adamhedrick3230]

Thanks for your videos! The concepts you've brought up relating to the GAIA subfunctions, Vast Silver, Far Zenith, and a Ted Faro clone get me excited. I'd be disappointed if they don't use at least one of these ideas for the sequel!

[@eekenny]

So basically all humans in this game are “Clone” But the “Old World” technology are so advanced , I believe some of them survive in space, and perhaps the one who send the signals (Red Lightning) to Hades.

[@LordTelperion]

FZ and The Odyssey wouldn't need to journey to a distant star system to found a new Human colony, they only need journey to Mars.

[@baneofbanes]

Mars is completely incapable of supporting life

[@s8t6u1a9rt]

I have a request for a couple of videos. They are both linked with the Eleuthia video you did. We are aware that the cradle facility that the Nora, Carja as well as Aloy come from is Eleuthia 9, but how many Eleuthia cradle facility are there round the world. I have watch the seen the Gaia explanation a few times and when I gat to the Eleuthia part of it I count about 13 on the part of the map that is shown and I believe that is not enough to start to repopulate the world. Also another video which could linked to this one is about it is possible that tribes such as the Oseram, Banuk or any other tribe we learn about in the story of Horizon might come from different Eleuthia cradle facilities as we only know that both the ancestors of Carja and Nora came out the Eleuthia 9 cradle facility, but not any other tribes. They might of come out of the same facility but I don't remember seeing any information about them coming form there throughout the game. Hope these ideas help you to create more videos as they help us all to have a greater understand of the law of the game

[@hampter8546]

(I know this comment is late) I think they didnt put enough cradle facilities because the new humans would reproduce

[@CrazyBanzai42]

So I found the exact number of days when you go to makers end after facing the Deathbringer for the first time in game. Late 355,510 days in game tokeet Ted Faro. That's 973.3333 years repeating. When did Zero Day Occur, and when did Aloy's pod gestation and birth occur? That's the true question 🙃

[@CrazyBanzai42]

*to meet* Ted Faro

[@RandomSideQuest]

Nice work BKG! Yeah, to the best of my knowledge at the moment we only have a broad timetable for Zero Day. If there is a date on the log of Elisabets meeting with the joint chiefs, you could add 16 months.... or check to see if a date is included on one of the data points in Enduring Victory headquarters. So many mysterys left!!

[@CrazyBanzai42]

Random Side Quest I'll keep you updated if I find exact dates :)

[@RandomSideQuest]

Sounds good, thank you!

[@brandonwithnell612]

well i guess 1 good think about the ai going rougue is that artemis might reintroduce the other animal species that was inteded to be done by the humans itself instead, as for eleuthia im not sure what it would do its job is basically done unless its able to make more humans

[@lochness5524]

2:22 Wolves? I don’t recall any wolves in the game. Plus, the map has us in areas where wolves lived in, such as The Cut, aka Yellowstone National Park. As far as I can tell there’s no sing of them anywhere

[@KhanSaab-pi6sw]

They have to be out there...otherwise the Wild Boar population would go overboard

[@lochness5524]

@@KhanSaab-pi6sw unless the human population acts as the apex predators of the ecosystem, therefore maintaining the wild boar population possibly. If anything the only other place that they could possibly be could the the Forbidden West. Plus, Carja explorers have documented strange sounds of unknown animals, perhaps one of those ominous noises could’ve been the howls of wolf packs

[@KhanSaab-pi6sw]

@@lochness5524 Perhaps...plus now that Artemis is an independent A.I, she could be making animals irrespective of Apollo

[@lochness5524]

@@KhanSaab-pi6sw it’ll have to be in a specific location, somewhere isolated where humans won’t harm these animals, assuming Artemis has the hindsight of the man-made extinctions triggered by mankind throughout the Pleistocene and Holocene. Maybe she (I reckon it’s a she due to the fact that her namesake was a Goddess) may have gone so far as to clone animals that are extinct today, such as Mammoths or Passenger Pigeons, since we already have DNA samples of these animals.

[@jacobfurneaux1705]

They said monsters in the description for far west I wonder if Artemis is getting a little creative with her freedom. Same way Hephaestus sees his machines as something he needs to protect from humans, Artemis would likely if free from Gaia she might come to a similar conclusion since humans hunt the wave 1 animals. Idk if by monsters they are just talking about new machines but I really would love to see the other functions going balls to the wall like Hephaestus with their new found freedom from Gaia. Also if Hades and Hephaestus are anything to go by the subfuctions seem to, when free from Gaia, become fixated on their particular purpose with no regard for the other goals of zero dawn.

[@shadyshadko3430]

I wonder if Hephaestus was effected at all by the deletion of Apollo? I'm just thinking about how Hephaestus would of been able to make machines based off of animals while no longer having any information on them.

[@bigtreeguy7336]

Unlikely as it made a machine based of a T-rex and a sabertooth cat so the animal like machine designs are either pre-designed or it's just an artistic choice from the devs.

[@kaylinevans]

Apollo was only the learning system for the new population. Deleting that information would not be the same as deleting knowledge from Gaia or another sub function.

[@Niobesnuppa]

@@kaylinevans Exactly. This is also why Hades could give so much knowledge to Sylens, because Hades had its information separate from the Apollo program.

[@kaylinevans]

@@Niobesnuppa Yes!

[@DJB1PlanetFunksville]

THE FIRST TIME PLAYED. HORIZON DAWN I KIND OF PLAYED IT AND BEATED IT NOW IM PLAYING IT AGAIN AND IM MISSED A LOT

[@AdamLComic]

the lore of this series is far better than its gameplay.

[@kevinvisher5285]

in Horizon: Zero Dawn Ted Faro deleted all copies of Apollo.... What about the original? and in Frozen wilds we meet Hephestus. Gaia said that her functions became their own entities... does that mean that all of them are Individual AI's? in that case could Ted Faro created Apollo and became self aware? For me this raises more questions then i have played in the game... What of Cyan? Would/could she help Aloy recreate Gaia??? So many questions.

[@cecarter10]

With the vast resources and money Ted Faro had. What are the odds he somehow is still alive, but inside a machine? Maybe he was the one the sent the signal?

[@RetroApo]

Sylens mentioned the cryogenics as a possible way to extend or preserve human life for extended period of time in the Old One's civilization, so there is a possibility of him being still alive.

[@stefanw.3562]

Then he would be the first for me to kill in the sequel :)

[@Silver-jg4zf]

Everything going well seems to have hinged on Apollo. Is there no chance that it could be recovered? Surely the humans of 2043 would have Finally learned you have to back yo data up >__

[@RandomSideQuest]

I certainly hope so Maddie, but it seems Ted Faro was very thorough with the purge. Hope I'm wrong though, would love to see Apollo back in action!

[@patriciaheerdt4350]

Remember Ted had the same privileges as Elizabeth did, so my guess is that he definatly purged it. Perhaps Liz was smart enough not to completly trust Ted. There have been misgivings about him from the other Alpha's which Liz must've known about, so perhaps she backed at least some of Zero Dawn up in a seperate facility. However with her death nobody could get to it. There was a back up of Apollo on the Oddesey. Further proof that Far Zenith must've known the true purpose of Zero Dawn.

[@sundarvs108]

Patricia Geheim wow... A back up on Oddyssey of Apollo... And that jus opens up what Sylens is so interested in ( hearing his anger about how Ted Faro left humanity "benighted in ignorance" ) so Sylens is going to build a space ship and go find the space ship with what humanity needs to progress properly... I dont know,, i love thinking about what HZD 2 will give us.

[@Rellana1]

Even if he did purge it,it would seem very strange it there wasn't a means to un-purge as least some of it. For example I have a utility program called revora that will scan my system and any drives attached to it,give me a list of any deleted files and then attempt to recover them. Surely something like that would be a part of the system,as it would seem like common sense?

[@mattstorm360]

Patricia Geheim What HADES knew and taught Sylins, maybe there is a backup in all the other subroutines. Not the classes Apollo would teach but the data would be there.

[@sierralovat5498]

Its funny how they put a lot on apollo.

[@FJF1085]

I mean technically had any of the other sub-functions failed the whole project would have. That was the point of HADES, a hard reset. Though it was not supposed to activate if ELEUTHIA had already begun. But if POSEIDON or AETHER had failed earlier the whole project would have. Or if MINERVA hadn’t been able to break the code nothing would have ever even have started. The fact that everything worked but for the sabotage of the very last function is telling. I do think ARTEMIS should have been able to complete without human involvement but I understand what they were trying to achieve. It’s unfortunate though, based on how GAIA’s machines are still out there maintaining the environment tells me that the biosphere is still not self-sustaining and likely won’t be unless and until all those other animal species are reintroduced.

[@Ben-rz9cf]

I'm going to take a shot in the dark way too early and say Horizon 3 is going to be Horizon: Far Zenith and explore continental europe

[@beenalive1736]

Welp, looks like Horizon 2 was about Far Zenith and the third one will likely be in Asia

[@cryptomancer2927]

Does anyone else just hate Ted Faro? Like if I ever hear about some powerful business man named Ted Faro, I'm going to be like: It's on. Time to take a long walk off a short peer. LOL

[@strawbellia5945]

I feel the same. I've never hated a video game character so much

[@idcgaming518]

He created mechanised doomsday machines, then destroyed all human knowledge that was supposed to save humanity. He was an idiot

[@ecdudis9557]

r/fuckTedFaro everyone

[@FrostWolfPack]

@@idcgaming518 More like a fool how could not stand the idea that his name will forever be marked not as great man how advanced humanity but an near devil like figure hows ego and greed destroyed all. The how he expained to the team before he killed them all gave me feel that he self ashured that this was right thing to do but in the end he tried to cover his own wrong doing to the future generations.

[@addisonwelsh]

@@FrostWolfPack It never struck me as him trying to erase his role in the worlds destruction. To me, it always felt like he truly believed that we would be better off without the knowledge of the past. Not defending him, I actually hate him more than any other character in gaming, but I feel like people saying he was trying to erase his role in the apocalypse are getting too emotional. He had unlimited administrative access. He probably could have just rewritten history if he wanted to erase his role in the apocalypse.