Legends of the Dead is stupid | Crusader Kings DLC

[@Mattilainen45]

Liked for not meat riding paradox

[@mindseye1790]

It really says everything when the standout feature of your dlc is a big plague that kills off all of your overbuffed characters.

[@CrilTump]

"I WANT REALISM" "WAIT YOU ADDED SOMETHING THAT KILLED MILLIONS AND IT KILLED MY CHARACTER THAT I DID EUGENICS TO GET I HATE REALISM"

[@CausticSpace]

Me when most people like to Roleplay and not minmax

[@CrilTump]

@@CausticSpace Fr did my guy just complain that one of the most deadly viruses ever was op?

[@tuxtitan780]

In my opinion, the content is great, but the price is insane. I love the dlc, but the price is blatantly ridiculous. I always recommend people buy paradox dlcs, but to wait until theyre on sale

[@alecshockowitz8385]

I like ck3, but the price of DLC is absurd. I really feel that the games want and need to model out characters ate a shit ton of the budget for the game.

[@TheOneEyedMac]

Or, you know, use other alternatives to get the dlc....

[@damienzht]

or go to instant gaming

[@revilokid]

@@TheOneEyedMac 😶‍🌫️

[@dantereinhardt6911]

The main reason the DLC prices are so absurd is because you aren't paying just for the DLC, you are also paying for the 'free' updates. Because the teams that work on those aren't paid with thoughts and prayers, they need money, and that money comes exclusively from the DLC. So when you buy the DLC, you aren't only paying for the DLC's content, you are paying so Paradox knows it should keep maintaining CK3 and improving on it.

[@mudnarchist]

I'm a big fan of the "critiquing strategy games from inside my garage" vibe you have going.

[@davefekete7187]

I hate the legitimacy, i love playing as a count then forging myself a tiny kingdom but this mechanic makes it way harder then it as to be but my main problem is how easily i lose it all even when i'm winning all my fights anyway i gained 400 Lgt from my legend seed while on a crusade but we ended up losing the crusade, i only lost 2 major fights and lost all of my legitimacy, that is the biggest load of crap ive seen in this game. Another thing that bothers me is that when you have low lgt you get a -50 opinion because of low fame plus more similar annoying debuffs, i just wish they revamp the whole system behind this legitimacy because it has potential but not like this, oh no.

[@AHersheyHere]

$20 for an AI story generator.

[@cuff1626]

CK3 is about making your own stories. They text doesn't have any flavour to avoid saying stuff not in line with the player headcannon

[@hipoxis]

​@cuff1626 actually the flavor in the text is instead custom based on your character's personalities so you'll get slightly different event texts depending on your character.

[@MedievalAngryDude]

I don't understand the concept of legend mechanics. Why does the character come up with his own legend? wouldn't it be more logical if the legend appeared regardless of the player's decisions, and only then the descendants could mystify it for their own purposes? Why are legends so short-lived? Historically, different “legends” were supported by different social strata such as trouvères, minnesingers, court poets, clergy, notaries and others. The very concept of legends of legitimacy could be a good help for depicting the formation of the administrative apparatus in medieval kingdoms, but no.

[@Bannermann]

Exactly what I thought.

[@ComradeCorwin]

I wish. Not a super lover of AI technology being shoehorned into our daily lives everywhere, but I recognize it can still be more creative than this. If it is AI generated, they put that chatbot on a very short and repetitive leash.

[@jackochainsaw]

I've started playing with this DLC but have noticed that if you are not in the zone that has plenty of seeds already, the seeds you do get are very generic. A lot of people play in Europe, but I'm kind of bored of Europe. I play Africa, the Middle East, India, Tibet, the Steppes. All those regions feel a fair degree blander than Europe. I will be unpopular but with this Chapter 3, Roads To Power is essentially a massive fan pleaser/Byzantophile pack. If you aren't a big lover of Byzantium, you aren't going to get half as much out of that pack. I had hoped that they would perhaps continue doing flavour packs but spreading them out. We could really do with some for Africa, India, Tibet and The Steppes. They don't have to do struggles every time either. In this pack, it is very easy to remain at max Legitimacy which does a lot for you. In addition, you can stack legends pretty high (although they are expensive). The plagues are annoying for their development burnoff but at least its an uncontrollable obstacle to progress. If you get mythical legends and follow the new dynasty legacy for legends, they are OP. Depending on the type of mythical legend, you can do some insane things and cut down the curve on map painting. The danger with this game from what I can see is stat-stacking. I sometimes hate the balances that Paradox make to nerf them as well. It's a bit of a "paradox" ding ding. I am going to work on my own mod for Crete and the Minoan culture, and this DLC does add some extra useful things for it. Especially with the Legend seed. So I think there is benefit to it. Also, it does give Royal Court a bit more function by adding legitimacy every time you hold court. Another benefit is that the court positions (for a small portion of those said positions) have been expanded slightly to do some more useful activities. Does that add up to $20 well spent (or in my case £16.75). I'm not sure. I could probably have bought a discounted game in a sale that would have been more value than this DLC for sure. I think this DLC was worth half of what Paradox charged. I wouldn't say it is a bad one though. Just average. In combination with other mechanics it could be amazing in future.

[@junn805]

i would say tours and tournaments was the best dlc by far. but saying 'best'is pushing it. the travel events are so less and after a few journeys all the events become predictable and repetitive. so far all dlcs are overpriced and raw as hell

[@mymejojo2]

I watched this video and then it led me down to almost everything else you've posted. They were all very fun to watch, good work

[@OneFinalAutumn]

One thing about the legitimacy thing is that it's a bitch to build if you don't have the DLC. There are a hundred different ways to lose legitimacy, but you're screwed if you want to rise through the levels without shilling $20.

[@TheChamp_YT]

A stocking stuffer dlc is such a perfect way of describing it.

[@milsugione]

the only way i could enjoy ck3 was with agot mod, have close to 800hours in it, now i have to wait a month for compatch oof

[@rudeboy212]

Legitimacy is a good mechanic for early and mid game, but when you reach the end game and your empire is made of half of europe then it becomes very clear that the only way to keep legitimacy up is to have the legends of the dead dlc, since every time a plague hits your empire (which at the end game is every single month) you lose 100 legitimacy, it is literally impossible to keep it up without the dlc. PS: it almost feels like they gave legitimacy for free so you would have to buy the dlc to keep it up

[@Cream127]

CK2 once again, winning and handled bloodlines better.

[@thetrolluminati9714]

People don't want bloodlines "because it's broken".

[@lephinor2458]

Yet they try making OP characters through genetics.

[@turnopsverdsen9578]

2:49 The second I saw this screen I knew I would not buy it. "Heasteinn was born to a great Gothic lineage to rule 'EMPIRE OF HISPANIA' as his forefathers would have"... They couldn't even be bothered to spell-check it to say 'The' kingdom of whatever, and there's no situation in which that would be right. Unbelievably lazy. They literally had one page to write for this entire DLC and they fucked up the first sentence.

[@afrovarangian]

Court_physician_event1

[@Beorthere]

Welsh and Anglo-Saxons have the Arthur Legends btw. But yeah, I get you.

[@FantiniBlake]

I love the jacket. Also, I had imagined the legends would be built upon in-game decisions made previous.

[@THEpoppaSAUCE]

From what I’ve noticed, it takes preexisting legends (or you can start your own) and insert yourself into the legends. And it doesn’t care if you actually did these things, it’s what the protagonist in the legend did, and then you can make yourself the protagonist of the legend. And add other stuff to it that you DID do, and it gives you buffs and claims and whatnot. Like making yourself the protagonist of the King Arthur legend gives you claims on all the titles on the British isles

[@iltizioerrante7239]

I don't know what they were thinking about when creating the legends mechanic, they basically added propaganda campaign for your ruler

[@eddieosorio2435]

Lmao been pirating every dlc for years and couldn't be happier. Love this game! 😂

[@MrRendulic]

Me to bro

[@syncprime987]

help a brother out , how does one pirate dlcs ?

[@user-nk8zx1yw8s]

@@syncprime987 don’t know about DLCs specifically but you can find a lot of info on r/piratedgames, look at their list of trusted sites dont download shit thats not listed there.

[@Weiswolfe]

same, i had legit stellaris and legit ck3, but every missing piece, yoooink

[@footballman271]

⁠ make sure to click on where it says steam games, look up crusader kings, and just scroll the forums

[@tombkingsethbattlechannel9419]

Tbh i stopped playing and buying Paradox games entirely because everygame that they release is only the bare minimum, stripped of any interesting game mechaniks, only serving as a platform to sell u DLC´s later. Worst example for me is still Imperator Rome and with City Skylines II it reached it peak so far.

[@globalfreaking]

CS:2 was made by Colossal Order and published by Paradox.

[@tombkingsethbattlechannel9419]

@@globalfreakingi know, but with paradox as publisher its the same business concept in my eyes.

[@ap6480]

Paradox does hide a lot of content behind dlcs but games like EU4 definetly don't just have the "bare minimum" of mechanics, you can still enjoy those games without dlcs, especially taking into account the insane amount of mods there are for Paradox games, which Paradox supports more than most companies. Yes, Paradox has a huge issue with hiding content behind payed dlcs, but let's not be dishonest about the quality of most of the vanilla games.

[@hieratics]

​@ap6480 the vanilla games are unplayable, you must have some dlcs to have a decent experience

[@VioletPunch-e34]

Ok, free update is really cool. I can’t imagine playing without legitimacy or plagues ever again. But this legends stuff…it’s ok for 5-10$, but 20$ is just crazy

[@noragrey7016]

I wanted to like the DLC, but it seems so shallow with barely any content. And i am a huge CK fan usually ....

[@carlomariamizzi8387]

We sail the Seas bois

[@LunaMoon0]

I'm so scared that they portray landless characters really badly

[@tylerfennell5920]

Also the legends cost so much to do and to promote the rate it spreads adds another 12 gold per month cost. The only buffs you get from it are ones that are worse than those available in events, both random and planned. I.e. a little % boost to piety from a legend vs just going on a pilgrimage. The big payoff is supposed to be the legendary buildings but you can’t even choose where it goes. You holding onto a shitty county just because you have an extra domain slot and want the extra 2 gold. Well now you’re forced to put a legendary palace there and you’re either forced to build that county up or ignore it. If my main domains are the duchies of Leon and Galicia why would I want it the palace in the one holding I have in Mallorca? I could see how giving complete control of its placement could cause balancing issues but complete randomness is worse. The buffs aren’t even that crazy anyways.

[@tylerfennell5920]

I do like how one of the seeds allows you to instantly shift a kingdom to be de jure part of yours. But that’s not worth $20 and little Timmy could make a mod for that in a weekend

[@thesittingtraveller3467]

The legends mechanic is literally this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3zIfKiXf5mhotk

[@flamethekid]

while the pricing is a bit much, this is actually a thing in real life, life in general is mundane and we as humans just dramatize things and a large part of this DLC is for roleplay. if you play to do map painting with the META strats, then the dlc is skip. if you play for roleplay wait for a discount.

[@MedievalAngryDude]

he literally says why legends are such crap. They do not reflect the events happening to the character, they have nothing to do with history and are very indirectly related to the perception of history by medieval authors. This is not a roleplay mechanic, this is another way to get more buffs and development points.

[@hantorfolezproductions4402]

@2:47 was that legend generated by AI? It seriously reads like it was generated by a free LLM

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

I don't think so - they included an "AI generated content disclosure" on the steam page, but it only mentions art assets. Might as well have been though

[@Disnean]

Please Dungeonman, make a review for the next Expansion as well, would appreciate that. Thanks!

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

Ok, kid

[@mystic4576]

This dlc is worth like 5$ at most

[@Astroexx]

The dlcs for me are new mechanics for the modders to use. From one dlc you can get like 3 great mods (I usually run around 100 mods) but I don't really see any potential in this legends dlc, no idea how any modder could use this one so for me its just not worth it

[@chanegun]

Great video bro

[@CrilTump]

There is actually a prester john thing and also the slaying dragons lol Edit: I really agree with the plagues i like those wish console had those which they dont because lab42 is really shitty

[@Logan4201]

Bro is upset that what we now view as “history”, was viewed as legends back in the medieval age…🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Listen, I have my fair share of problems with Paradox games, yet this entire video just came off as a jaded mischaracterization of this DLC and Paradox as a whole…

[@MedievalAngryDude]

“historical” legends do not contain any references to historical events. The HRE emperors proved their Roman heritage by committing italienzug, not by killing a fucking dragon. belonging to the family of King Arthur would be relevant for the Welsh, but for the English the courtly image of Arthur from the chivalric Romances is more relevant. Medieval people were not stupid; they had an idea of ​​the historical past, although they thought of it in a symbolic and eschatological sense. Moreover, legends appear spontaneously, they are invented by people around the character, and not by the character himself. The legend about the legacy of Charlemagne can be a legend not about Charlemagne, but about the player, if the player has proven through his actions that he is descended from Charlemagne... not through killing a fucking dragon.

[@Logan4201]

@@MedievalAngryDude Whoever said that legends were purely fantastical stories with dragons and witches??

[@MedievalAngryDude]

@@Logan4201 because that's how they are in the game. Your character simply decides to come up with a cool story for himself and somehow tie it to a legitimizing historical event. The way legends like "The Roman Legacy" or "The Descendants of Charlemagne" are structured have no reference to historical or symbolic precedent. Another example is the “Přemyslid legacy”, a character from the Přemyslid dynasty...must prove that he is from the Přemyslid dynasty. “brilliant”, no really. This is a cosmic level of stupidity. The player simply lives through a couple of events and the hero of the legend supposedly performs some actions (in fact, no) and this has nothing to do with this legacy. Ideally, the developers needed to separate individual legends and historical legacies with events that referenced specific historical precedents through which the rulers of these historical legacies secured their power. Stop meat riding a multibillion corporation, dude

[@Logan4201]

@@MedievalAngryDude Ok so if the problem is that the legends aren’t specific enough to the individual character then that’s a different thing lol. Nice essay though, yet I honestly don’t care to continue this pointless discussion about some stupid youtuber’s opinion. Also, ending with saying I’m “meat riding” paradox bc I don’t believe the legend system is “an abysmal excuse for a dlc” is definitely an opinion in today’s gaining climate… yet ig $20 cosmetics are more your thing??

[@MedievalAngryDude]

@@Logan4201 Oh yes, let's justify the crude, lazy and unhistorical DLC for a historical strategy, since the developers had previously released cosmetic packs, and now they have condescended to give us a pack of events. It's like enjoying a rotten piece of bread because you were previously fed shit. You are pathetic

[@BuckStrickland19]

Hay-stein lmao

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

Please man I'm begging you

[@jalapeno84_25]

And the Venerated Dynastic member trait which you gain if you have the Dynastic Legacy and complete a Mythic or Holy Legend, doesn't actually give you ANY trait lmao. Broke DLC

[@LunaMoon0]

I have to be honest. I hate the new legitimacy system. I had expected more

[@Notphenix]

I like legitimacy and plagues but legends are bad

[@sebastianreyes8042]

okey the dlc pays the patch and the patch added a lot with plagues. If people dont buy the dlc we will not get patches like that. its like a package.

[@Tom-mk7nd]

Your comment about the price is really old and comical. Spending 20 dollars a year on a game if it keeps getting better and better is not really an issue. Some people spend much more in a year on Netflix. It's their money, their choice.

[@ap6480]

Saying that "There are people who spend more paying for Netflix" is such a cliche way of diverting attention to the problem that I thought most people would've dropped it by now but apparently nope. Also, it doesn't make sense for you to say "It's their money, their choice" since he's criticizing Paradox and not the customers and saying that dlcs are overpriced for their quality definetly is some valid criticism, if you're fine with paying 20 dollars every year for ck3 dlcs then that's great but that isn't really a counter argument for anything he said. Overall great nothing burger👍

[@khoroatos]

Calling a statement "old" doesn't adress its validity, neither does the greedy industry practice of baiting gullible consumers into giving out cash somehow justify incrimental game mechanics packaged as "downloadable content"

[@Tom-mk7nd]

@@ap6480 but is it really overpriced? I'm saying it's an old comment because people seem to be stuck in the 2010s. If you look at the current market, the price are reasonable even if at the higher end. Paradox are doing well but they also have to pay a workforce based in Sweden, working on developing the game across a couple of years. You have to factor that in too.

[@Arcaryon]

⁠@@Tom-mk7nd The problem here is that they are, imo., supposed to deliver interesting mechanics. Estates in EUIV for example are great. Meanwhile, legends of the dead feels like… Meh. It’s not bad but it’s just not a real banger because the stuff they released for free is so much better and to put this into perspective, for 20$ I can buy entire other games that offer actually varied content.

[@Tom-mk7nd]

@@Arcaryon the real banger will be landless gameplay. Legends of the Dead is the appetiser.

[@Doosteroni]

I mean I can understand the criticism but like 20$? Thats not a lot...

[@su1t0n11]

for a dlc this bad? It is

[@raed1642]

It ramps up, EU4 is like +200 dubloons for the game and dlcs, if you think it's sensible for games to be priced that much then map painting induced autism is the least of your problems

[@karlstainer9958]

Use RICE mod from creator of VIET. It's really great.

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

I do, it's excellent

[@TerrorZelle]

I think its fine and worth 20$.

[@FurrLapse]

This is great

[@jansenjunaedi4926]

It's not undercook, but this DLC concept is already a problem since ck2. Which is why I'm skipping it.

[@Magnus14535]

Me who has it pirated with all dlcs

[@President_Snow]

HOW

[@borginburkes1819]

Crusader Kings 2 will always be the better game

[@Kevinopn]

Legends of the dead is basically a cheat god for conquering all your neighbors... I hate that DLC SO MUCH i stopped playing CkIII...

[@dmainayar]

Lotta yapping about the cost considering it's the price of lunch

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

We can't all be eating lobster bisque on the riviera like you david

[@dmainayar]

@@dungeonman.fromyoutube lobster bisque on the riviera for $20? Sounds like a steal

[@Sherlokplatypws]

k, I eat lunch for like 3 bucks but ydy

[@shodan2002]

Garbage dlcs so far could have gotten complete games for that

[@wkf97]

You are wrong.

[@quinnemann]

Last

[@dungeonman.fromyoutube]

Fourth

[@bountyhunterswag3937]

I concur