Legends That Have Spoke Negatively About LeBron - Barbershop talk (Episode 88)

[@Dom2K]

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[@ampr6164]

He is not hating. He isn’t taking anyone off his list for LeBron.

[@Gemcitylex]

Definitely hating. Dude played on a superteam. He’s just mad because he doesn’t have the freedom players do today.

[@BigZ-u2q]

Ion think he hating lebron is my favorite player of all time and lebron is better than dr.j ever was so it doesn’t matter what he says he played like 30-40 years ago

[@christianr1941]

I mean he led the 2020 lakers to win the championship and that wasn't a super team

[@kajockkijekmplei1555]

He isnt hating too much but hes being an ignorant and disrespectful oldhead

[@maddmancord]

Lebron casually greens a game winner on dom in the end 💀

[@dusk6159]

Back out to James BANG!

[@UntouchableToby]

All the proof I need. Goat

[@cloverxivxx99]

Spoiler

[@willfrmdaqc]

@@UntouchableToby 💀

[@SlayersOfYou]

@@UntouchableToby you are right. MJ is still the goat.

[@cameronpearson3650]

I find it funny that the player that many people consider to be the only player better than Bron, MJ, never has outright hated on Lebron. He really just minds his business and stays quiet for the most part, it's the legends Bron has passed that talk shit.

[@JoJo-oc8zf]

Yeah i'm pretty sure MJ has only said positive things

[@Heart_ken01]

I also think for the most part MJ hasn't really been saying anything about anybody not just LeBron. I just think he's just too focused on Hornets to really care

[@toogoat9293]

Because hes satisfied with his legacy and knows that no one will ever be able to eclipse him in the eyes of most

[@arthurhenriqueguimaraes4969]

Yeah well thats how grown men behave

[@nikolasmolyviatis4275]

@@toogoat9293 no one ever is an insane stretch. U really think no one ever in the history of humankind, as long as basketball and we exist, will not pass his legacy? Not realistic. In his lifetime maybe

[@DP_1605]

He’s still playing. Once he retires and is gone for a while these same guys will be saying the players that are still playing can’t stack up to him.

[@user-lb7pt6jb3o]

“I woke up this morning and went to Twitter” that was your first mistake

[@darklordrisingg]

😂😂😂

[@legendarywiimaster]

A rookie mistake that a lot of people including myself make over and over and over again

[@WarGutsy]

That legends league game will forever be ICONIC

[@benjamintete7335]

He gotta bring it back

[@klowstanaccount7976]

shiiit you guys got a link to the vod? i wanna see that again

[@traguy2625]

Dr J himself have one of the most dominating super team in 80s with Moses

[@BandyMane]

Exactly 😂

[@joeyy7904]

I think that's more of a knock to free agency than anything. Dr Js sixers were very good but most of the players were drafted by philly. On all of james teams they are comprised of a bunch of former/current all star free agents and a couple superstar free agents. A lot of people feel like the current state of how so many players switch teams now so frequently is a result of james. Not agreeing but just saying

[@joeyy7904]

If you think about it, when james returned to the cavs they traded the #1 pick (wiggins) who was supposed to be a superstar (they didnt know at the time he wasnt going to be) for another superstar in love. And yes i said superstar, he made the all nba 1st or 2nd team that year meaning best 10 in the league which equals superstar

[@JonnoEmonno]

I think he was talking about the way LeBron goes about joining teams. He was the first to do it the way he did

[@stratosphere2323]

@@joeyy7904 Kevin Love really only played 1 healthy season with LeBron, and that was 2017. 2015 he got his arm ripped out it’s socket, 2016 he got concussed in the Finals, 2018 he was dealing with mental health issues and was in and out of the lineup in the playoffs.

[@leburnerjames6962]

the 2k game ended with bron dagger how poetic

[@tationastick11]

ikr

[@anthonyspeta2181]

The take that "LeBron couldn't have handled the trash talk in the 80s-90s" ages really poorly when u consider he had a literal hate crime committed against him and he handled it with class. Not to mention most of those dudes in the old days wouldn't be able to deal with half the criticism that Bron gets on traditional media and social media

[@shaheerkhan341]

I agree. People also tend to forget where he came from, coz he’s so successful now. He didn’t have much growing up, not even a home at times, probably dealt with hate, and trash talk on the daily wherever he played. His mental toughness is probably off the charts.

[@1vaultdweller]

90s fanboys have no brain.

[@9ra307]

People also seem to forget that he played in the *2000s* where he had a LITERAL beef with one of the greatest trash talker Kevin Garnett, and some of the toughest players like Ben Wallace, Ron Artest, Kobe Bryant, etc.

[@bino_4221]

That 2k game had me sweating

[@juste3418]

These legends need to remember that LeBron is one of the 1% of players who had to be drafted into a horrible situation and had to spend 7 years accommodating a trash franchise that did little to nothing to help.

[@goatman380]

🧢

[@bbqblazekyleg7551]

@@goatman380 how is it cap? The cavs when they got good players let them go and also were afraid to go all in with lebron. Like they literally could have kept Carlos boozer but they were dumb. They could have gotten Amare before all his injuries but didn’t want to trade JJ Hickson who left 2 years later

[@dusk6159]

@@goatman380 Cap? The hellhole Cavs not only were trash but they made it a duty to impersonate either a child not wanting to collaborate or a straight franchise wanting to be the worst loser possible instead of wanting to have the biggest success. You have no idea of the state of the Cavs in the 2000s that fell on the head of a teen out of HS, the Cavs at that point were burning rubbish, worse than the Wolves. Now it's night and day after what that kid did but, before, the biggest (and single, really) bright spot literally was a broken down player getting older but that at least was friendly and wanted to work together, Big Z.

[@goatman380]

A lot of players good players are drafted by terrible franchises, and spend 7 years with that team. He’s in the small minority that actually make something out of them. But after a while the cavs did try to put some pieces around Lebron. The problem was trying to get a big name to join Cleveland. The best they could do was give him good to decent role players.

[@maxh276]

@@goatman380 ya but those players got help. Bron had to form his own team, he didn't have a good GM or coach

[@kgangireddy04]

Dr. J was on a team with Moses Malone and two, damn near three, other all stars idk why he's hating on LeBron for "superteams"

[@ballershotcaller2314]

Fr, plus we can’t even consider any of the teams LBJ been on, as not super teams. According to google, a super team is a team that consist of 3 or more ball-fame caliber players.

[@ballershotcaller2314]

This Lakers teams is just Bron and AD, with a good supporting cast, their not like the 16-17 Warriors, who had like 3-4 all stars on their team that year.

[@kodakwhite1696]

@@ballershotcaller2314 fr dawg people act like they’re stacked because of they’re cast. Did they forget that previous champions also had great supporting casts, clearly they did😂 i mean how else do you win a title, people are casuals

[@benomerovic5515]

@@ballershotcaller2314 people really call that team a superteam when Danny green kcp and javale were starters 😂

[@whydontiknowthat]

@@ballershotcaller2314 you can consider the Miami Heat a super team, but I’ve heard some clowns call the 2016 Cavs a super team and those people need to stop

[@VSPoster]

Superteams have literally been around since the NBA’s been around. Bill Russell literally won 11 championships with a superteam. And as Dom said, LeBron did lead charge into giving players a voice into doing whatever they want but the 2008 Celtics were made 2 years before LeBron officially made any decision. Could it be considered a weak move to make a superteam to realistically compete with them? 100%, I’ll be honest with that. But you can’t cut one of the best players of all time from a list off of the “fact” that he made superteams become a thing

[@johngodfrey8060]

The Celtics were made by the organization though lebron started the players creating super teams

[@VSPoster]

@@johngodfrey8060 that is a very true. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I never thought of that before

[@mattmmixes]

I don’t think dr.j was saying they were the first superteam rather he started the trend of artificially built superteams

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

@@mattmmixes so it's okay for a team to make a team that's head and shoulders above everyone. But if a player does it, it's bad?

[@user-lh8zz6st5r]

@@oluwaseyijohnson3162 it’s the double standard man 🤦‍♂️ same thing for loyalty as well

[@SportsOnTheSide1]

The old generation is always so hypocritical, nothing new here

[@kodakwhite1696]

Just like my all time fav player shaq

[@iwantaoctosteponmyneckbut3545]

@@kodakwhite1696 he's old gen, so yeah. Tbf tho, he at least used to be a big Giannis fan

[@br5073]

That’s cause those old heads have class.

[@beatsro5040]

@@br5073 class of sticking to there old ways

[@kodakwhite1696]

@@br5073 class my ass, they’d get destroyed by modern nba players

[@BigYARK]

Dr J is part of an era that doesnt get recognized. His first team will never change, Oscar, Jerry, Elgin, Bill, and Wilt are his influences and the all time 60s team. The 2nd team: Magic, MJ, Larry, Karl, Kareem is pretty much all time team when you dont factor in post-MJ, which Dr J very well may not. Dr J's legacy has become "MJ before MJ" and that's it. His stats when factoring in ABA stand against anyone. He was just as or more influential than A.I, was the most famous player, and dominated. Now 3rd string players with less than half of his talents get paid more in 1 year than he did in 3 of his prime. He's just the wrong person to ask about GOAT or all time teams. I would be "salty" too. I can totally see where he's coming from. The league and it's players have become more "pampered" over time from a certain perspective

[@ishmeetsingh5672]

U smart dawg

[@ole2x211]

I agree the thing is he’s not hating. Doc my all time favorite player but he’s said multiple times he’d never change his first team. An every hooper gives the nod to their era. So his 2nd team is what it is plus he said the goat to him is Kareem an he’s on the 2nd team. But people blow it outta context an the casual fan (people that started watching post 2010) think it’s blasphemy if Jordan an Bron ain’t 1a 1b. Only dr.J an maybe 3 other hoopers have been in the exact spot they are. he kept the aba an nba alive by himself. Produced an won plus was that level of superstar, he’s earned the right to say what he wants an in this case it’s that starting with Bron is the first time a player has determined his destiny from an empowerment standpoint an it’s true. Every other move including the 08 Celtics was org lead. These orgs milk you for ya first 7 years, waste your prime then kill u in the media if u leave but if u stay they treat u like Isaiah Thomas in Boston. Doc ain’t hating it’s facts but when u take a sound bite an clip it sounds like he bitter when it ain’t the case. Nobody including Jordan had the say so. Bron said fuck that an it’s to be commended even tho it opened up another can of worms but it’s facts. The casual doesn’t understand the history of the game or how big of a superstar dr. J was. His only gripe is that the history of the game that’s shown starts with a lil magic bird, then joooorrrrrrdannnnnn, then Kobe Shaq n post 2010 an the greats before get lost in transition. But sidebar Those 80s drafts were WILD. How does the Lakers get James worthy an the Celtics get Len bias an u have 2 dynasties already!? Tampering! Lol

[@BigYARK]

@@ole2x211 well said brother. I agree with and echo everything you said

[@phillipbell4394]

I think that the reason people have to say, "Well, X player wasn't on a superteam" is because career-wise Lebron, Curry and Durant are so head and shoulders above the rest of the league that fans of other players feel threatened. I don't think CP3 or Lillard are going to end their careers with a ring (and that's okay, their career was still valid), but I think their fans need some way to justify that.

[@bbqblazekyleg7551]

Lillard might end up being forgotten if he doesn’t get a ring. He has great moments but he plays in an era where he’s like steph Curry just more ball dominant and worse.

[@manz7860]

@@bbqblazekyleg7551 yeah, I think dames game winner against the rockets was a double edged sword. Gave him all the clout and respect, but I think, also sated his hunger to dominate

[@hervelabrie-durand4574]

Magic, bird, wilt, jerry west, Elgin Baylor, MJ, bill russel, etc. They were on super teams lol

[@dusk6159]

Dr J also

[@Poopopotamusgaming]

People like to call any team thats has multiple all stars a super team which is stupid, every good team has good players. IMO, super teams are teams that break the league and dominate leaving no real competition (60s Celtics, 10s Warriors).

[@hervelabrie-durand4574]

@@Poopopotamusgaming every all time great who’s won multiple championships have been on super teams, you cant win that much with an average team

[@Vibrant133]

@@Poopopotamusgaming Well then LeBron has never been on a super team then? He lost in 11, went to 7 in the ECF in 2012, went to 7 in the ECF and Finals in 2013, and lost in 2014. That's clearly competition.

[@pranith850]

@@hervelabrie-durand4574 Jordan did not have a super team, especially for his first three peat. Go look at that roster. In his first and last chip, he had no other all stars on his roster. Pippen wasn’t an all star in those years.

[@shyrickman3289]

The intro never gets old bro 💯 hope y'all havin a good day

[@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24]

Let LeBelt be drafted by Miami or a franchise that actually puts players on the team and attract free agents he’d have 10 rings fr. LeBron was drafted into an Allen iverson type situation and have zero future in Cleveland.

[@JKTh3D0n]

A solid Barbershop Talk will always make my day. Great shit as usual.

[@ousseynou7776]

I hate how the people who love and hate on lebron just always reach when they talk about him there isnt much of a middle ground

[@shaheerkhan341]

I agree. No one can just step back and be like this is why I don’t think he is the best, this is why I do. It’s always like LEBRON COULDNT EVEN BEAT A 59 YEAR OLD MJ, or on the other hand, LEBRON COULD AVERAGE 85 SINGLE HANDED. It’s always some next thing🤣

[@maxh276]

@@shaheerkhan341 it's mostly the haters that are extreme. Most Bron fans are logical

[@shaheerkhan341]

@@maxh276 I agree, as I am one myself.

[@mjstray7961]

@@maxh276 that’s not true lol. I’ve spent just as much time arguing with delusional Bron stans as I’ve spent defending him against illogical haters.

[@RonnieTon]

Why legends swear that Wade was the best player in the NBA he wasn’t even the best at his position and neither was Bosh, Tim KG Dirk all better than him

[@theveteran8546]

Facts they talking like Mario Chalmers was Chris Paul. Ray Allen was past his prime and who was checking for Shane Battier or Rashad Lewis come on man at the time the average person was taking Blake Griffin over Bosh just old head hate

[@dvonnlynch1607]

Yeah that’s why I hate that quote “MJ would never play with Bird and Magic”... WADE AND BOSH ARE NOT BIRD AND MAGIC!! Honestly Wade and Bosh may be the equivalent of Pippen and Rodman.. MAYBE

[@TeflonAlexander]

Behind Kobe and Lebron who was wade better then? Everybody, that’s who. What big man was better than Bosh maybe Dwight. The heat had 3 players that scored 25+ the year before. They chose the best player from 3 teams in the league that’s 10% of the leagues top talent. You kiddin me?

[@dvonnlynch1607]

@@TeflonAlexander PF’s better than Bosh; KG, Dirk, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol. The reason they even teamed up was because the celtics had the best 3 players from 3 teams. Wtf are you even talking about?

[@TeflonAlexander]

@@dvonnlynch1607 Stats for the pf you listed in the 09-10 season including CB. CB: 25-10-2 age 25, DN 26-7-2 age 31, TD 18-10-3 age 33, KG 14-7-2 age 33. Chris Bosh in the year before Lebron went to Miami was top big man prospect to build your team around. When the Celtics teamed up they were all around 30 and careers were on the decline. They were all around 34 in 09-10 and could barely average 15. Kg Ra and Pp was never the best player at their position even when they weren’t on teams. Lebron and bosh were the best at they’re position the only reason wade wasn’t was because Kobe was out there.

[@Heart_ken01]

Damn Dom you really gonna let LeBron hit the game winner on you🙁

[@dusk6159]

Damn, Lebron really wanted to repeat the brick-to-splash second-try dagger of Game 6 vs the Spurs 😐 this time straight up at the end though, with all green, and also reenacting Ray's other 4th quarter Heat bomb 😭

[@aramismcginty918]

The thing I always wonder. Is if the heat or any other team won the ring in the bubble would it still have an asterisk? Hell if OKC had won in 2012 would it still have an asterisk? Folks hate LeBron and that’s fine but some of the arguments against him just don’t add up to me.

[@allen62]

7:00 Kobe used to literally have tapes of MJ talking and rewind it when he noticed specific traits that’s insane to think about

[@danieldominguez5863]

It's comical to me that Dr J made those comments acting like super teams weren't around in his day.

[@dusk6159]

Or right after it in the 90s, or before in the 60s.

[@youngbullcee3513]

dom got snatched blocked and lost to a game winning 3 within a minute, cole world

[@silasbaby96]

Old players really mad at him for having the power to have a choice unlike them lol

[@Rendclaw]

I believe that if you stripped away everything else, that is what the issue really is.

[@jonwhispers]

It's an important principle to learn: Don't hate, appreciate. It's hard for me to do at times. You gotta respect the game, you don't have to agree with it, but you have to respect it.

[@dylan-jf8gz]

14:40 Bosh back to bron BANG!!!!!!!!!

[@JoJo-oc8zf]

The Bill Russell led Celtics were essentially a super team considering the entire roster had multiple hall of famers

[@Azariah-Israel]

So we’re the 80s Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Philly all had Multiple HOF players... to compete then u needed one... Lebron formed one and weakened two contenders in Cleveland and Toronto by he and Bosh Leaving making them the favored team to Beat a Old Boston

[@mattmmixes]

Tbh they were more of just a really well constructed roster than a superteam

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

@@Azariah-Israel Toronto wasn't a contender

[@slickeddy2000]

@@oluwaseyijohnson3162 they were In the playoffs and up and coming. Like the Bulls with D.Rose . Rose made a big leap over the summer and won MVP in 2011 . Bosh was still getting better and his team around him could have just been improving as well. Same with Paul George playoffs 1 yr with Next 2 yrs him and Bron exchanging Buckets in the playoffs

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

@@slickeddy2000 they were going to be a really good playoff team, but not a contender. Kinda like the trailblazers

[@m13alikmegaman]

I don't the super teams should matter in any conversations. You just need a lot of great players to win anything in this league. It is so hard to do everything by yourself. Even if the player makes it to the finals being the sole star of the team, eventually, the better team will stop you

[@lxbronx6]

Just ask AI in 2001.

[@jacobloftus4993]

Lol Doctor J says Moses Malone brought him a chip but criticizes LeBron for forming super teams 😂 pick your side! Then Barkley and Miller say that BS like anyone was coming to Cleveland 😂😂😂

[@dusk6159]

You can be MJ paired up with Isiah and still nobody would even touch those hellhole Cavs literally wanting to fail instead of winning like the other franchises lol

[@RonnieTon]

Dr.J had to say this not him fake voice cause how is the 2008 Celtics with 3 of the best players in the league not considered one even with a MVP 25ppg scorer even way before that

[@KleinpeterHank]

The first team he listed was people he grew up watching.

[@avkiavry9944]

How i love that all of the video is nba players saying bad things about Lebron while the gameplay is a 2k game that Lebron dominates and then he hits a game winning 3 lol

[@VincentVincent_89]

Lebron didn’t like these legends talking about his decision so he hits the dagger in doms face

[@cavsszn8231]

the weird thing to me is how he ssid lebron started the trend, but he played against superteams while having his own

[@cavsszn8231]

depending on if you call young barkley, old erving and malone a superteam

[@ccece6938]

@@cavsszn8231 it is

[@malikwilson7387]

@@cavsszn8231 lebron fan lol it was two superstars not three like lebron smh do resesrch

[@ballershotcaller2314]

@@malikwilson7387 you mad? You should be because Dr.j’s point is really invalid, he’s leaving him off of his all time list just because of he “created the trend of superteams” he didn’t, superteams have been around for decades, he’ll, they’ve been a thing since the beginning of the NBA.

[@RealCGH]

@@ballershotcaller2314 notice how almost every great that has won multiple rings had generational talent, Magic literally played with Hakeem which many consider the best center in history and the Lakers had elite supporting cast , Birds supporting cast was elite, Kobe literally played with Shaq for the first half of his career and I can go on, but when LeBron does something similar it's an issue.

[@jamesonevers3262]

Lebron is in the title, we know the comment section is about to be all out war

[@A2Wealthy]

What people don’t seem to get is the sport itself is more focused on accolades and awards than actual artistry and skill...these players get pressured to win awards and trophies more than being praised for the actual skill they possess...for lebron and KD they reached there peak with their franchises and kept getting labeled as non winners, lebron was in a dumpster fire for 7 years who let go of carlos boozer in free agency who eventually became an all star and didn’t trade for amare in 2010...KD was on a contender but you started to see not only injuries but the fact that Westbrook and KDs play style just did not coexist...I blame more the media and casuals who don’t appreciate the game they only appreciate stats and awards, so quit blaming these players when they do what is best for them...legends like bird, magic, Dr J and Jordan never went to the finals empty handed whether they had super teams or not💯💯

[@Costelloworld]

Well said 👏👌🏾

[@ryanm4074]

why do people keep saying he chose his team 😂😂 they act like he’s really LeGM, them casual takes gotta go

[@user-lh8zz6st5r]

Chris smoove been hating on Lebron since he left the heat

[@dusk6159]

An emotional casual like Smoove had a lot to do with that kind of spreading, and of course only after he left his favourite team, the Heat.

[@manz7860]

Plenty of evidence that lebron does LeGm. Just look at the quotes of some of his old team mates. J Crowder was probably the funniest.

[@chibuezendukwe3121]

Lebron and Steph would still be elite even in the 90s

[@dusk6159]

Lebron and KD would destroy everything in the 80s and 90s, Steph has a lot of factors going on but he would probably be at the very least another bomb in the 80s, especially if he has the chance to get going.

[@RealCGH]

If Steph was in the 90s it would be ridiculous

[@PAntS-23]

7:40 im so glad i dont play 2k anymore 😂😂😭

[@tawilliamson83]

The LeBron discussion is really a generational battle.

[@imagineguyio1612]

Can you do a tutorial on how to do the sunset beach court like Dominus and Imdavisss. Thanks. Everybody like so he can see.

[@glyle2504]

Ngl, LeBron has a lot of stans but his haters are way worse.

[@MR12AMAZING]

Lebron stans aint even that bad. I prolly see x10 as many people hating on Lebron than supporting him.

[@wipe919]

I just don't understand why NBA oldheads can't respect today's players? Like what's so hard about that?

[@EpsilonKeyXIV]

I think it's because, a lot of the time, people don't actually respect the older players and CONSTANTLY downplay their own success during their respective eras. Like, when was the last time you heard people actually respecting Dr. J's accolades, or the things that Elgin Baylor, Wilt, and co. did? While I don't agree with Dr. J's assessment of LeBron (while LeBron did start the current trend of superstars collaborating and planning to join teams in Free Agency, he didn't start superteams), the disrespect Dr. J has received in the process has been RIDICULOUS. Especially when you consider the fact that a good deal of Dr. J's success came while he was in the ABA and keeping the ABA afloat by his lonesome. Sure, it doesn't give him the right to downplay and snub the younger generation, but he's entitled to his opinion and well...with how little respect the older generation of ball players get, is it no wonder they're bitter?

[@dusk6159]

@@EpsilonKeyXIV ? This generation of players never slandered the past legends, let alone Dr J. Let alone Lebron or KD (or Steph especially, with Dell as his father) doing it.

[@EpsilonKeyXIV]

@@dusk6159 Never said that it was the players doing the slander, so much as the media and the basketball/NBA community. All you have to do is look through online discussions of basketball and see how much people downplay the older legends.

[@No-Hassle]

I feel like the 80/90’s are the only eras that aren’t disrespected.

[@wipe919]

@@No-Hassle Yeah true. Also they always overexaggerate the physicality of those eras

[@urbaindelva7869]

Dr. J and all of those legends laid the foundation for the opportunities that LeBron takes advantage of today. He shouldn't be penalized for that.

[@360Shadowmaker]

That LeFuck you 3 pointer at the end lol

[@Lisa-rx6io]

Yea I still think he should have recruited instead of leaving Cleveland but I personally believe KDs move to the warriors saved LeBron because it put that heats team in perspective and they lost twice in the finals

[@Boss-ut8mn]

Bron always showing these oldhead loves when they goofy asf

[@johndavis9321]

Lies when has lebron ever complimented or talked positive of a past player besides jordan and maybe Kobe once or twice

[@somregularguy]

@@johndavis9321 um he’s talked about how he was a Doctor J fan and even put him in his top 5 all time list, he’s also said about liking Magic and Larry bird, you just a casual 💀

[@johndavis9321]

@@somregularguy when? where? Give up a link

[@somregularguy]

@@johndavis9321 look it up he talked about his top 3 players all time how you not know about this 🤦‍♂️

[@legendarywiimaster]

Yup, if I’m an NBA player and an oldhead like Charles Oakley starts talking smack about me, I’m returning with that same energy.

[@slack685]

BUT THAT SNATCH BLOCK THO 😭😭

[@217ShowOffBoii]

Older players are mad that LeBron said buck the system and not solely rely on GMs and owners to build a contender. The first stint in Cleveland gave him nothing for 7 years.

[@user-lh8zz6st5r]

I’m still sad about that 7 years of his youth before his prime completely wasted 💀

[@Ghostkiller__166]

A lot of the legends that talk down on LeBron's decision were drafted to great teams that were dedicated to getting them help, LeBron was draft to one of the worst franchises in NBA history who did nothing to get Bron help.

[@dusk6159]

It would be damn funny if instead of not only their co-great players, proper franchises and all-time front offices they would've got the Cavs hellhole, Cleveland market wasteland and front office-ownership literally wanting to achieve downwards instead of upwards.

[@dusk6159]

And of course running into the Bill Russell Celtics, those thoroughly stacked legendary Moses 76ers, those packed Bad Boys Pistons and their system, the Showtime Lakers, the Big 3 Celtics and the HOFers party Bulls steamroller dynasty. Not only because they were the teams running around in all those decades but especially because Lebron ran into those and then some (way more some, all time conglomerates of HOFers and dynastyes, legends and modern 3-pt automatic machines firing from all sides, starting already in the 2000s with the Big 4 all time role players and machine Celtics and, eventually, the Kobe-Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum, Fisher - and shooters actually shooting, unlike the 2000s Cavs - Lakers coached by Jackson).

[@benomerovic5515]

I’m sick of people getting upset that lebron left Cleveland when they couldn’t get good players around him

[@osahon6278]

people are upset he joined Miami not that he left Cleveland

[@stopplzs]

@@osahon6278 that’s the same thing....

[@lakernation26]

Man it’s been 10 years and people still bitching. It’s pretty sad 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@cia6520]

@@stopplzs not really. I think what rubbed some people off was the whole Decision show. I think his overall likeability degraded but the money got from that show went to charity. I love lebron for doing shit like that.

[@subairali8075]

It was a different era. Now it’s normal.

[@Kenzoah]

10:23 how tall is that dude missing an alley oop like that 😑

[@SkubaAj]

Crazy how u missed that oop with gasol but Lebron makes that contested layup 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@dylanmoore3368]

BARBERSHOP TALK LETS FUCKING GET IT

[@yungxsauce2873]

that boy dom got clamped at the end of the game lol

[@dpistons149]

I love it. The Older generations stay roasting Lebrons Legacy.

[@randomguy5489]

What part is the “roast”

[@oluwaseyijohnson3162]

This what I'm talking about, nba Fandom is a soap opera

[@LarryDaGoat23]

@@randomguy5489 good question 🤔

[@ceebee312]

Never fails it's always the previous generation that throws shade at the modern one and justify their reasoning for such unwarranted hate but hey what do I know I'm jus a direct care staff

[@manz7860]

That would make sense if my generation didn't actually suck. I'm actually trying to enjoy it as much as I can before dumbass millennials start a Civil War.

[@Alexander-ru3qc]

Players had very little control during Dr. Jay's time...so who knows what they would have done if they had control...who the hell wanted to Cleveland back then

[@tradtrad1000]

They're just mad he's transcendent and people are forgetting about them. You think in 50 years people are gonna talk about Dr J? Doubt it. They'll about LeBron in 25 years like they talk about Jordan now. No one talks about George Mikan and Bob Pettit and there's a reason why.

[@FinalQueue007]

I wanna say legends are hating LeBron because recency bias is making it seem like their era was trash basketball (I see it a lot on Twitter). Only defense i can give Dr.J is that it was easier to see talent stack on one team during his era because there were less teams in the league. While with LeBron and other players today, theyre openly just trying to team up via free agency/forcing trades instead of Superstars wanting to lead their own team. Plus theyre more teams in the league now so shouldn't be seeing superstars stacking on one team unless that franchise built that team through the draft

[@redruler7462]

ay im a heat fan and i was rooting against you in the game and man chris bosh was trying to sell the game but bron iced it

[@MattSantanaa]

Mans got game winnered by Lebron at the end, tough.

[@manz7860]

I for one, am looking forward to a time in the nba where lebron isn't scheming to form a very stacked team whole off-seasons in advance.

[@RonnieTon]

They are really comparing Wade and bosh like MJ playing with Clyde and Malone (Wade isn’t the best at his position and neither was Bosh) or Kobe saying that’s like playing with Dwight and Cp3

[@peterpan3022]

wade was arguably the best sg at the time tho. at least second best behind kobe. bosh i agree with u but wade rly was a mvp caliber player and in fact would have won fmvp in 2011 had they closed out that series.

[@RonnieTon]

@@peterpan3022 ahh so you gonna say argue then double back and say second behind that’s not how arguments work that’s like saying someone is arguably an MVP Kobe was better than Wade at everything maybe not defense only due to his age but Kobe was a better shooter and they had the same skill set

[@peterpan3022]

@@RonnieTon the point is even if kobe was better than wade at that time, which u can argue, it wasnt by much. wade pretty much was as good as a sg as u could get to play with. for gods sake hes at least top 4 sg all time, maybe even top 3 behind mj and kobe. absolutely comparable to malone for his respective role.

[@tylerholland4652]

Just appreciate greatness, whether you like him or not, he’s number 2 all time.

[@9ra307]

@Dro look at the numbers, achievements, and accolades. No matter what you say, by the time his career ends, he will be pushing for the number 1 spot. 🤦🏽

[@gabe425]

I think the older NBA legends who say they wouldn't be joining each other dont really understand the situation. Most of them had good teams drafted around them. LeBron didn't, so when the Celtics got their big 3, he had no help.

[@juicyplanet7977]

Dr. J himself was on a superteam wtf? Lebron led empowerment for players to control their careers instead of the organization. I don't see nothing wrong with that. If it wasn't for "the decision" LeBron would still probably be ringless or eventually got traded.

[@pohlman1]

Reggie evans is a legend

[@iballjay850]

So this might be a dumb question, but I just never thought about / discussed it. About that quote when ur a 2x NBA MVP, you don't go anywhere, they come to you, I kinda felt that statement bc back then w LeBron seemingly entering his prime (clearly at least good enough to carry the Cavs into the playoffs every year) and with his playstyle, how come Cleveland never did attract any other stars or ya know, BETTER players? 🤔

[@Costelloworld]

Because Cleveland was never a basketball town football and baseball at best Cleveland was an okay team back in the 80s once the Infamous shot made by Michael Jordan happen they were never the same until they got LeBron James and they only got LeBron James because they were the worst team in the league you see it the way LeBron puts teams together now she doesn't like playing with younger players players that have to develop most likely the veterans in the league when he came in had the same thought process no one was going to go to Cleveland to play second fiddle 2 a high schooler you got to remember LeBron took the Cavs to the finals in his fourth year so if that was the start of his prime he still had plenty of learning you should check out more of Dom's videos to get a good idea on how trash Cleveland front office truly was in my opinion these old heads Wasted Years of their career with bad franchises and when it was almost over try to win a championship these old heads and crazy fans give the impression that if you are a superstar all you have to do is wait for other superstars or really good players to come play with you and the organization will have no problem putting that together for you and that's just a laughable thought process

[@oliverhorvath2039]

Cuz they gave 37 year old washed "big name" players more money than Bron made expecting them to be their prime selfs but look what happened with the Ben Wallace signing and trading for Shaq.

[@bulletproofbasketball7739]

You playing a prime Kobe and not once take a mid range jumpshot or turnaround fadeaway no wonder you choked it

[@pimb160]

Ah yes, because LeBron didn't have to deal with the Spurs dynasty or the big three Celtics before he went to the heat. And can we really say that the 90's Bulls weren't a super team?

[@dusk6159]

Who instead could deal with a broken down Magic without Showtime, Clyde left on an island, Charles with a Suns team with their picture on a cartoon of milk come Finals time, Kemp and GP helped by Eric Snow and Ervin Johnson and an old, overworked and no-retirement's rest Stockton to Malone helped by Greg Ostertag and Antoine Carr lol Yeah, a pretty ridicolous conversation.

[@juanpagan7944]

1 negative thing i have about lebron is clutch but if he wins the rings again

[@Cotswolds1913]

The 08-10 Celtics were not a superteam. Miami had both of the two best players in their 2011 playoff match with the Cs, and by a large margin. None of those Celtics players save Rondo, was in their prime, or even close to it outside of maybe Pierce in 2008.

[@cartdot]

Dr J is easily a top 4 sf

[@J2CDOTCOM]

Only people lebron hasn’t beaten in his time period are Kobe , dirk and Steve Nash and he didn’t even really get to play Steve nash and Kobe but they wouldn’t have stopped him

[@dusk6159]

That is true and would be completely true if not for the Lakers surrounding Kobe. No way Lebron alone beats Pau, Odom, Artest, Bynum, Fisher coached by Jackson, they would've swept those trash mannequins in the Playoffs called the Cavaliers around James.

[@J2CDOTCOM]

@@dusk6159 yeah maybe not the 2010 lakers but anything else is losing to lebron because it don’t matter who he plays with but then again you do have to get to the finals to play Kobe😂

[@ryand8412]

A bunch of boomers who can't accept that basketball Is more skilled then when they played

[@hotboya4717]

My English teacher tried to debate me saying that Dr.J was the GOAT over MJ and LeBron

[@TheProfEddy]

i dont even put lbj on my all time team but yeh Dr J's argument on the superteam as a reason is weak.

[@raiou5010]

M Thompson took a fat L, LeBron after Klay's comments literally exploded

[@BAA188]

Ayo @dom what's the name of the song in the intro you using

[@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24]

12:38 facts🗣🗣🗣💯

[@b.w.8909]

Just shows you that even the biggest legends can talk absolute Bullshit about their sport

[@cmac6345]

The criticism of Lebron in my opinion is both over done at times but also justified. I think it's hard in today's society to produce a story without extremes or controversial takes. We all get annoyed at it but we often get sucked into it as well. The reality is, Lebron's decisions as a player and as an influencer piss people off. He's pushing for what he believes in off the court and plays to his advantages on the court. He's certainly made mistakes in both. You combine that with people (especially legends) having to pick a side right now, it doesn't surprise me at all that this is what we have now. I do think at times Lebron really needed to not do/say what he did in a moment, but at the same time, I have an appreciation for him advocating and pushing for a players league and his overall basketball talent. I couldn't come close to doing everything he does and I would not want to be in his shoes.

[@allsmiles3666]

Dr J's list is more of a "favorite player's list" than an actual ranking tbh. The dude meant it to be a ranking but it's obvious he doesn't care about accomplishments and just ranked it based on who he likes. There's really no debate about how shit his list, even if he added LeBron the rest of it is still shit.

[@nanagyambibi7426]

As much as I don't like defending LeBron its obvious the legends of the game hate Bron because throughout his career he has something that they didnt have and that is control. Bron controls where he wants to go, who comes in and out, what the coaching staff looks like, etc. Bron is in absolute control, some would say he is taking the easy route(I say that) but even I have to admit that alot of players eventually get to a point in there career where the execs control their destiny and are shipped around. I think Bron will walk away with his middle finger in the air before he allows an exec to determine his future.

[@chubbypompie553]

when LeBron is retired he'll be in the Legends group so idk why they are hating on greatness since them themselves have experienced what it feels like to be the greatest basketball player in the world

[@TruthTeller10444]

Dr.J speaking facts LeBron loyalty isn't real. Alot of legends don't respect LeBron. Like I do.

[@djstillnice5075]

It’s a possibility that MJ was trying to support his star player and not hate on Lebron. 38 and 19 is nothing to sneeze at. But yeah...61 points is definitely a topic worth staying on

[@Matt-nb6tl]

crazy how the 1st or 2nd best player of all time is the most disrespected and hated... smh

[@Matt-nb6tl]

@KMR lol funny

[@jeffmichel4312]

I’m not old enough to have watched magic Johnson it is day and really have not seen a lot of highlights but when I watch LeBron I feel like I might be watching a magic Johnson incarnation if anyone is old enough has seen employee am I right or wrong?

[@winter9242]

Nahh magic johnson's passing is on another level he squeezes through the tightest of windows even if the defender just turns his head he's able to exploit that into turning the play to a high percentage shot

[@jerd2947]

LeBron and Bird would be a lot fun

[@dusk6159]

No doubt about that, Lebron and Larry Legend would probably the most ubique and best duo/pairing of all.

[@overpowered7041]

A player that isnt even a top 15 player of all time leaves a top 5 player of all time out of an All-time team, his opinion kinda doesn’t matter

[@KOCChristian]

Miami Heats without Lebron, Bosh and Dwade is literally a g league team they would be worst then Bobcats

[@dusk6159]

The 2011 team especially would just be sent in High School.

[@LarryDaGoat23]

@@dusk6159 + they rec was Okey but they was trash going in the playoffs before lebron came he made the heat even more better same with the cavs when kyire was on the team

[@braidenb3973]

I didn’t watch the full vid so idk if he said more after/before but the quote was “[bron] is leading the charge in terms of superteams” idk how that’s a diss nor wrong. Lebron is leading that “charge” and Ik dr j said he was the first guy to go do it on his own. So ima but lost

[@ChuckyBeingChucky]

There has always been superteams

[@braidenb3973]

@@ChuckyBeingChucky I never said there wasn’t? I just said it’s true that bron is leading that charge. What other player was the one making the superteams? I don’t even think it’s a bad thing 😂

[@PainfullyCasual]

Its funny because LeBron feeds off on these kind of hate. 😂😂😂😂

[@theveteran8546]

I’m a old school fan I grew up watching MJ but this is laughable the legends complaining about super teams are the same ones who couldn’t beat 1 man in MJ or tried to team up in the latter years to chase a ring ie; Barkley ,Payton,Garnet,Nash, Kidd ,Howard etc.some successful some not but don’t fault Lebron for taking his career and legacy into his own hands if anything he deserves praise for empowering players to not be at the will of an organization that will trade or cut you if they feel you’re past your prime I expected better from the superstar of the ABA/NBA merger who knows how cutthroat the league can be shame