Legion Artifact Weapons and You

[@battlescargigantica2159]

Preach, really like the intros you're doing on these new content videos. I think it's a great idea

[@Preachgaming]

me too, makes it very clear what the video is going to be about. Weve noticed vids without out give people the wrong impression and they get mad sad

[@Jesus-warrior]

+Preach Gaming preacher I don't know if you're going to read this and this is kind of random and may sound weird but I am an individual who speaks his mind last night I had a dream about you and we were roommates and I asked if you could give me a shout out on KZbin and you said no I don't do that it's against terms of service or some b******* like that and then I said are you and Babyface friends and I woke up and then I went to work and now I'm at work and now I'm writing this

[@Jesus-warrior]

+Preach Gaming also an FYI I don't know why the hell I have the dream I do watch your videos and I like them but I'm not obsessed or anything

[@Preachgaming]

You think that's weird, but I dreamt about you last night. All I asked for was a ham sandwhich and you squirted mayo in my eye and said 'take that you bukkake bitch!' Gotta say, this whole situation is eerie

[@ianlux9063]

Oh,hi Ghosty.

[@Asmongold_CatDany]

You always put my favorite tracks from monstercat into your videos and they distract me from what you're talking about :p

[@jeremy_duck]

YOU WERE RIGHT, I WILL NEVER UNSEE THAT SCRATCH.

[@clysmic]

Its so obvious! How did I miss this before?!!?!

[@jeremy_duck]

I KNOW!

[@jeremy_duck]

if i tell you, you will never unsee it. . . .. . , ,, on the left TV in the right bottem corner there is 2 scratches

[@Damingo54]

I wonder if I am alone when I say I absolutely am in love with this artifact system!

[@Cooldudehero123]

im happy its a grind, its something to finally do between raids for me, its exactly what I felt what was missing in WOD, hopefully i like it

[@Feneckou]

The grind is not a big deal, the problem, is that you have to choose where to put it between 3 weapons. and that everything can fall apart if a nerf comes or an encounter that require you to play another spec.

[@steeve6171]

Or 4 if you play druid :P

[@joedirt4190]

One thing that Preach should have gone into detail about but only briefly mentioned is that there is a point in your artifact weapon where the AP cost jumps from like 600 to 3000. Right now, this is from level 13 to 14. So after you get L13 on your main weapon, you should go and start putting points in your offspec weapon up to 13, then go back and try to fill up everything else on your main weapon (which will cost a ton more AP from this point on, but if you want the end talents you have to do it). If you plan to play all 3 specs instead of just 2, then you will want atleast L13 on all 3 weapons before you work to maximize your main spec's weapons. That should be more then enough to play your specs effectively without sacrificing any real progression on your main spec weapon.

[@Preachgaming]

I'd consider this really really bad advice. There really isnt any reason to do that unless you are absolutely forced to play more than 1 spec. Traits compound upon each other meaning any points invested into other weapons slows down the compounding effect. Furthermore reaching level 13 is actually a very cheap deal at 110. That means if it became apparent you needed to play a diff spec you can reach it very quickly (

[@golamrumman]

The problem is people thinking all specs aren't viable for all fights. Legion bosses are designed for all specs to be competitive. Will some be better than others? Yes on some fights, but on others your current class and spec will be slightly superior. Honestly, as preach said numerous times, it doesn't matter. WoD promoted gameplay where people had 10 alts and in a span of one raid logged on to atleast 3 (im exaggerating ofcourse). But the point is, this isnt healthy and Blizz recognises it. You have a spec, play that spec to the best of your abilities and know which talent combinations works best for which bosses and enjoy it. Legion is not an alt - whoring - expansion. WoW was never an alt-whoring game until recent shortcomings from blizz.

[@Jowhan2k]

Don't you honestly think that Blizzard has always tried to balance most fights? Even if that is their intention it will never be like that in practice as there will always be better specs and classes for certain encounters and once something gets buffed/nerfed everything changes. I doubt Blizzard will do a better job balancing the specs for this expansion as that is pretty much impossible to do.

[@Ozten-gg]

People that complain about something being a grind are playing the wrong game genre.

[@twilit4995]

Indeed

[@seangannon6005]

+Illidarn what do I satwhen the name you want is taken? Darn it

[@twilit4995]

+Sean Gannon Considering my Demon hunter's name is Ilidarn, unfortunately with only one "L", that is what I said

[@juice6521]

Wow hasn't been a grinding game at max level since tbc

[@seangannon6005]

Illidarn that's the joke

[@Gabbdez]

I like the idea of the workorder/research note system since it allows more casual players to still be able to max out their artifact

[@icresp4263]

your intro is so short and like doesnt have much but its so iconic. I fuckin love it

[@Juan-zf6kw]

Couldn't help but start laughing when I saw Felo'melorn in the background :D Thanks for the good times Nobbel and Preach!!!

[@matotias]

THE SCRATCH ON THE TV ON THE LEFT, I CAN'T UNSEE IT NOW

[@benedictifye]

Preacher, the Voice of Sanity in the WoW community. Always nice to see. I think that it actually sounds like a clever system, overall. I like it

[@drakefire6675]

Stockpiling was my idea. Nice to see Bliz has already stopped it.

[@TyRex93]

Cant stop staring at that frigging scratch

[@skyrasmus4760]

Incredibly informative as usual, Preacher. Doing the work of gods.

[@excaliber009]

One thing from the WoWhead guide (that might be out of date) is that it said that one time quest rewards would not be affected by artifact knowledge, so there would be no reason to delay doing these quests to game the system. Sorry if this is already been said in the comments, but I didn't see it from skimming the top ones.

[@pinkphoenix3728]

Thanks for explaining this! Raid Leader has already told us that there won't be much spec switching since the artifact weapons are such a grind.

[@Ep0xy]

Thank you so much for this video. I was confused how this works. Sure, there will be some changes but you explained it well. As a 37 year old adult that has a life (not much of one but some) the whole thing about catching up is awesome. I remember in Vanilla I felt that I was always falling behind when not playing. Cheers buddy, you got my sub for this one.

[@stalok5963]

Great vid BUT THIS DAMN SCRATCH ON THE TV MAN!

[@SirGoodRat]

thanks for reminding me.

[@Geothunder]

*Sigh* can't unsee.....................................

[@Natheirean]

rip TV 2016, #neverforget

[@SirGoodRat]

***** bottom right corner on the left tv behind him.

[@introvertsunited5526]

He was right in the PG show. I can't un-see it now.

[@lgnlint]

Are the 2 notes in your intro from Squarepusher - Tundra? EDIT: Apparently it is - crazy that those 2 notes stuck with me for so long, thanks for making me go back and listen to the song. So good.

[@EpicGamingWarriors]

This is the best kind of grind, progressive rewards, genuinely helps gameplay, develops your character and you can do most of it through the main content.

[@bombademar4711]

wait, so i think i didn´t get you... why did you not go into details? i mean, the exact numbers matter, right?

[@Lsano32]

bc it's changing so the exact numbers are in flux

[@milban5608]

I guess it's because the exact numbers change CONSTANTLY?

[@vomitoriumbassist]

+i dont even know yea its beta.. Of course things are going to be changing and not entirely fleshed out all of the way at this moment

[@ImThinkin]

There's a scratch on your left monitor :) You were right, I won't ever be able to unsee this. Nice videos, keep up the good work. Thank You!

[@SterlingArcherify]

Someone please clarify: Does the catch-up mechanic figure in how long it has been since your last log-in (like rested XP), or is simply adjusted based on the gap between your Artifact level and the best-geared person on your server? If it's the former, we may have a humerous instance of an newly created alt quickly gearing up past a person's main.

[@Preachgaming]

a mix of all

[@SterlingArcherify]

Thanks

[@Kaytwo_o]

I don't think that an alt going over a main's artifact progress will occur, because with your main, you will constantly progress on your artifact. Also the catch up mechanic doesn't reduce the research work order time so quickly. It would have to be a few months at least for it to be take ~2 days as opposed to the normal 5 days it currently takes.

[@solitarynerdette]

thank you!! I no longer worry about not getting g playing until October and being so far behind!!! the cheesing of the research notes is good for your alts that you just want to blast a few hours into each time. great vid!!

[@Twistedman2000]

can you make a guide for how to just unlock the 2 mythics in suramar so we can get the dungeons and stop so we can cheese ?

[@themadgamer319]

Should be just follow the story.

[@bobnewkirk7003]

I'm not a raider, so having this information will really help me get into a position where my plethora of alts can go farm world quests and not fall too terribly behind on AP if I ever want to change my "main" (still haven't picked yet)

[@E6A4A1V2]

pretty sure you simply getbto about 8000 honored with Nightfallen. That will unlock a questline which i believe is called Statecraft; complete that and bam you get quests for arcway and CoS

[@Preachgaming]

follow the story and avoid the extra missions you see whilst wandering around

[@Twistedman2000]

wasnt expecting an answer lol thx man :p

[@joestiensmiet3312]

i really don't mind the artifact system.. like, at all..

[@Whit3_Tig3R]

that's really good, the idea about slowing down at Suramar until you get them research. you could even do all the quests just not turn them in or for ''Fill The Bar'' quests keep em on something like 98-99% oh boy this is golden.. thx Preach Edit: THE SCRATCH!!!! :@

[@Terran0va_Plays]

So excited for legion. After watching all your videos I can definitely tell blizz has changed alot from early alpha and so has your attitude towards the game. I am way more pumped for it now.

[@monkerud2108]

they had a similar system in lotro and that worked well, your weapon feels more important and getting it to the cap feels rewarding

[@Reverend2007]

I just have to say preacher man that I am so glad you redid the size of the text in the opening xXx it used to bug me to no end

[@SH22765]

It's a good day when there's a preach vid

[@kylemoe4288]

Preach you were right about the TV scratch.... never forget.

[@Claytis]

Preach, your right man that TV scratch is real lol! cant take my eyes away during intro! xD

[@stijnvanrijswijk2928]

just because of your Fears for Legion video I'm gonna like this before watching, with the hope of it still being online when I'm able to watch it

[@scottmackie9308]

Loving the content at the moment, keep it coming! Quick bit of feedback - the audio in the past couple of vids has been a bit low. See you in Legion :D

[@TheAssirra]

Preach, will you ever do a video about brewmasters? Even during your tank comparisons they were essentially still being made.

[@Omugaru]

Only advice regarding the artifacts that I can give, a few days before the launch open the calculator and check what path you want to walk ahead of time. Find a short route that skips the less usefull traits and go for the golden dragons that are important. Some are more impactfull than others so think of your playstyle and see which one will benefit you the most. Having a little plan set out will save you a lot of time hanging in the artifact upgrade screen and it also prevents you from getting a less usefull trait and wasting an artifact point that could have gone towards a better goal. This is ofcourse only for the first weeks.

[@nakai86p]

Nice video. There are still some things I wonder about the artifacts. First, how do they work in PvP? Do they matter in PvP? Second, Do you have to do different quests to get the artifact for different specs or do you get all artifacts as soon as you have done one artifact quest?

[@HavocHounds1988]

I love that they are gonna make it so content is relevant throughout the expac.

[@amphrosia4557]

Really like your videos, really like your opinions on most things. Just subbed. :) Thank you for preparing us for legion!

[@bubosbamba4910]

Where is the new tank comparison though mate? Honest question, interested in your view. I won't be changing from DK anyway, but kinda interested in the ranking anyway

[@666ironnecro]

I wonder if Preach will make a video about which classes are the most and least dependent on their artifact weapons to perform well.

[@johnsherman9547]

Great vid! I do have a concern that later on in the expansion we will see the Group finder tool full off "Have maxed out artifact or no invite" messages. I hope Blizzard has a;ready considered this possibility as well.

[@TheBromerz]

Hi Preach, Just wandering if you were going to make an up to date tanking comparison like the one you made for the alpha/ early beta, or have the classes not changed enough to warrant a new video on the topic? Keep up the great videos!

[@PowerOfDoi]

Iirc the non-repeatable content is not affected by Artifact knowladge, so the quests in suramar, for example, when you hit honored you get a BIG power item as a reward (wich also keeps changing... was 1k, got bumped to 20k, i tihnk it's now 5k sooooo yeah) point is that one time item is not affected by AK, neither is for example the AP you get from loremaster across the various quests. What it DOES for example affect is the tiny little AP items from the treasure chests around Broken isles, so you COULD dodge the little crappy 15 ap chests and a couple months in loot them all and get your second artifect quickly up to par. Point is AK knowladge should only affect repeatable content, WQ, daily heroic, dungeon drops, raid drops, the items you get from reaching certain honor levels, etc.

[@macedonianking9510]

The audio has been a bit low lately

[@ethan_245]

put up your volume?

[@Chritter]

+Ethan Lee lmao right

[@akumpi]

Yeah because you totally won't forget to put it down before watching the next video, and your subwoofer totally won't break any windows

[@Preachgaming]

it's set to 13db on everything, It's the safest level

[@ChristopherPuzey]

Yeah but compared to most of youtube it's low.

[@ValuedOpinion]

Great vid preach this helped me a lot!

[@kimgelotte]

Really hyped for legion! Especially the artifact weapons! It's an interesting choice blizz has decided to go with. A question tho; If I decide to change specc or level with 2 speccs (for example tank and dps, or dps and heal) how will off-specc with artifact weapon work?

[@wircoal]

First video I see of you, I checked the other, really nice content !! Keep it up :)

[@Fexx123]

Afaik, suramar quest reward artifact power is a set ammount and not influenced by research.

[@QuatroXEspada]

Preach if you read this, you said at the start of the video that you get lore for this, do you mean the Class Hall campaigns are tied to this? I have 12 toons and I only actually play 2 of them the other 10 are for completions sake and the Class Halls and Artifact quests, this video sort of gave me the impression that I will need to play each toon and do these work orders and collect artifact power in order to do class hall campaigns, is that true or do I just get them to 110 and then do a questline?

[@mrtacomoo]

Whats the background song???

[@TheGnurgen]

Think you misspoke at 3:45 ish, where you say you can use like 1k AP to respec your weapon, but then you say to move artifact power from one weapon into another, think you meant from one trait into another as you 1 min earlier said that AP once used is bound to that weapon forever :)

[@createmore1322]

YO preacher, long time follower here. Quick tip for better video quality in your new studio space. You can see the video is very yellow, switch your white balance in camera, add some blue!!!

[@zali500]

Hey Preach! Good vids, keep up! :D What do you think about the factions storyline? will the horde get again the best storys? Or we will se some good thing on the alliance seide too?

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

I'm personally pretty excited about this. I think one of ESOs major flaws was the champion system. It made vets and no lifers so much more op than casual or new players. I like how blizz is working out catch up mechanics for Alts and new players. Also, new sub and returning wow player. Love your videos dude.

[@bobertst21]

I love your videos and your skill at cursing. top notch. :)

[@mordeth19]

with the multiplier you get for artifact power gain being attached to the order hall mission stuff and i believe those multipliers stack across characters, would lvling a few alts specifically for those multipliers (off to the side as you gear and grind atrifact power for your main) make the artifact power grind less of a pain? i mean yes its a catch up mechanic for alts but couldnt the alts be used to gain your main more power inversely?

[@confusedpebble6265]

The multipliers only apply to the character you actually did the research on. It's not cross character or account bound or whatever.

[@mordeth19]

+Confused Pebble Ahhh I was under the impression they were, ah well

[@MrPatrick115]

Keep up the great work man! Love these vids!

[@InfamousNapkin]

you're doing a great job preacher bro keep up the good videos

[@kevinrex7414]

All this catch up mechanic talk concerning Artifact Power and I'm wondering when the heirlooms are gonna get upgraded to 110? Got all the rings from the shipyard so now I have a 50% exp boost for every class. Probably get upgraded with the second patch drop.

[@virtuspotentia287]

I kinda like the 3 talent trees , spec talent tree, pvp and wep. Many options.

[@sophiejones7727]

It's not for alts Preach. It's for offspecs. So if I'm a ret pally, and I max out the Ashbringer (which I will be doing) then when I go back and get the Silver Hand, I will progress with it faster than with the Ashbringer. And then if I go get Truthguard, it will be even faster.

[@Merlininsider]

Shorter research time is the catch-up mechanic meant for alts, unless you plan to gear all your alts at the start of Legion.

[@giefvideo]

on relic slots: I had two relics that buffed the same perk on beta - 5/5. Pretty cool as it was prolonged time on wings on my pally..

[@burningheart2909]

Love the vids, preach it! I wouldn't be so opposed to equipment that levels with you if it didn't take so long to grind. Fun idea, imo!

[@CreamyAux]

When you cap your artifact research does the game let you know? Or do you manually have to keep track?

[@joshuakerr8906]

Your note regarding saving the Suramar quests for after you get lots of knowledge wont work, Blizz thought aheard regarding that too, the quest rewards from Suramar don't increase with your knowledge level.

[@Lucie.Greening]

Lovely to see how many crying ignorants complain about bringing some form of grind back into the game. First the catch up mechanics are awful, now grind is awful. God bless mankind! 😁 Honestly, I cannot wait to grind stuff on my main to the crispy top. It will make us love our mains again. Good job, Blizzard!

[@freeIancer]

People don't say "Oh, that's a really nice idea!" if they like something( with the rare exception of extremes), but if something is mildly annoying; *things change*. Grinding is now up? Pro-grind people are just gonna shut up, be relatively happy, and move on, anti-grind people are just *never* gonna shut up, repeat this with every other issue or mechanic. Usually the people that complain in the comments are the extreme anti-_that_ guys, so you can use them as a representation of literally the worst, it makes me mostly okay with what they say and how salty they are.

[@Matisaha]

People whine just to whine. While all games have their share of these people, I've seen more of the whining in WoW than in say, Dota 2 which is also known for this type of thing.

[@vomitoriumbassist]

I love the idea that i can wake up at 3am, when i do. See that noone is online, but still do stuff by myself in game, that will ultimately make my weapon and character stronger for when we can raid.. So tired of not being able to do much of anything, or have to grind out gear for a pvp spec, etc. i think legion is going in the best possible direction wows been in, in a very long time.. Cannot wait!

[@Poooopdollar]

Does the Portal to the Underworld trait on the Unholy DK's artifact weapon take effect on the ghouls that are summoned from the Apocalypse spell ability when you pop all your festering wounds?

[@maxpheby7287]

So on your alts you should just do the research missions and nothing else untill some multiplier is reached and then do all the quests and what not?

[@Trollrocker89]

Does the content matter where I get artifact power items from or are they equally good?

[@soccermaestro24]

Are the artifact quests at the beginning or early during the leveling experience or at 110?

[@MrFeelingperky]

Suramar quests artifact gains don't scale with research (unless its been changed)

[@RIFTProdigy]

hey preach from what ive tested on the beta the suramar quest artifact power is 100 base line which doesnt scale with research notes

[@waterface111]

Hello Preach, im a big fan of your videos!! I wanted to ask you about the combat numbers that pop on the screen, is there any easy way to remove them? THank you and cheers!!

[@TheLobos42]

Did they change the respec cost? Last I saw on beta it was what ever my current level AP cost was it how much it cost to respec. So early levels is cheap, at level 13 its like 6800 AP to respec.

[@lilintern]

Hi Preach, I know you're MEGA busy on the run up to legion with the videos, however, is there any way to contact you? I have a question i've been trying to ask people, i messaged your twitch stream but i understand you may not have got it. Many thanks

[@Barcasaur]

So how relevant would it be to level any alts early on to get them doing the research missions? I have a main, but I don't play top end and I was planning on having 3 characters at 110 during the xpac1 true main and 2 alts for a change of pace and professions.

[@Kzamikaze]

Do you think that "5days" time window can be used to level alts while you wait for the class orders ? Or should i still do the main content on may main ?

[@MrMadaleex]

How do you get the party health bars to stack up to the left of your portrait? =)

[@MrKrids91]

I thought the artifact power from non-repeatable quests where locked so they didnt benefit from the artifact knowledge. Have i misunderstood that at some point or is that true?

[@timothykazmir]

so should we avoid looting treasure and turning in non daily quests at max level until we have a few research notes?

[@RM-nf5eq]

DISCLAIMER: the numbers im using are not the final tuning and were from a few months ago: the treasures drop so little you would litteraly have to wait a month to make it worth anything (they start at 10-25ap). when i was at rank 15ish of research they were still only giving about 400 where your first random heroic was 14k.

[@harrison1735]

Originally non-repeatable sources of AP like treasures and quests weren't supposed to be affected by research level because Blizz didn't want people saving quests for later just like they didn't want them banking items.

[@MsSquishme]

Too many comments, not scrolling though, but: Has anyone checked far enough in the calendar to check if there is an AP bonus week, for example?

[@rubenloza1920]

Cant unsee the nail lines! Great vid.

[@26mmmmgood]

can you show the actual respec of the weapon? I'd like to see it live before I go and do it on my Titanstrike and potentially want to destroy my computer. I am up to 18, and I really would cry if I lost all that time on farming AP, only to be back at square one.

[@chriswhited]

what number matters to reach the initital point for empowered traits, after doing quest lines necessary? Do you need 34 purchased traits or do you need to have a 34 level artifact knowledge level? Just wanting to make sure about this. I'm at a 54 level total purchased trait level ................29 artifact knowledge level. So which is it that matters to get to empowered traits? Thanks for any help .

[@darkpiske]

Are i going to make a video about brewmaster monks? I really like WW and MW, but its either really crappy or im just to dumb to play it xD

[@raymontus]

preach, should I be periodically logging my arts to do the research missions while I am doing my first playthrough or does it not work like that?

[@Fflintiii]

Do Relic's get destroyed like gems, if you take them out or put another in it? And how does it work with leveling up a relic in mythic's?

[@cloyd1234]

So when can you start the work order on artifact power? 108?

[@Nalera782]

If you are maining a spec for raiding you should try to get your first 2 big traits through you're artifact weapon which should be possible before the raids come out.

[@aaronnorman2733]

the scratch... WHY DID YOU SHOW US THE SCRATCH ON THAT TV. Great video Preach, i have watched almost all of them, keep it up!

[@Dudditsrnp]

What is the song being played in the background?

[@alexanderchristian5858]

is there a cap on the amount of artifact power you can increase your weapon by? and can you transmog your artifact weapon?

[@joesphbrown7322]

Thanks preach for the update info and look forward to hearing more about this around the time its about to go live or has been live. know full well they working on the wright numbers

[@Max-rg3sh]

What I'm worried about is selecting the right spec of that class you will main. One could be far stronger as the expansion goes on with their artifact abilities and so on. For example Mage, if you enjoy all 3 specs, and don't want to be bottom of the overall damage meter, how do you pick? You could have put all your artifact power into your weapon but yet still be far worse then the other 2 specs! Hope this makes sense

[@SenipLuff]

Honestly, the best way is to simply look at the stats. Frost is probably the least dependant on stats like they always have been and has historically done better at the start, so you should probably go frost. Fire on the other hand scales really really well with crit, so that might be the worst option. Simply look at how it was in the past and decide on that, outside of that, though. If you keep up with your artifact knowledge, changing over to a secondary spec as a main spec will not be a HUGE pain, only a small one.

[@xychogaming]

so after full research it will only take a person 5-7 days of gaming to max their offspec weapon with full traits. this doesn't include the 20 points in their main buff (for dps players it's extra % in damage)... that will still take about 90 days, but at least you will have all traits :) this means if you main one for a couple months and keep up with the research, of they ever make a change 3 months in you can easily switch specs no problem. switching classes will be much harder but at least switching specs will be super easy.

[@xychogaming]

I should of mention that's about 4 hours of gaming a day. you can of course make it faster if needed

[@Zzahh1]

@Preach Gaming, Awesome to hear you will be a mage. Just wondering what Race and Professions you will choose? Love the videos. Thanks!

[@karlittos]

Hey preacher, I wanna ask you something...if I have a recently boosted hero to level 100, and start on legion will I need to do garrisons draenor to play the game/class hall? cause I would like to think of a place where I could play the game without garrisons....or i'm wrong and that class hall got followers to?

[@XDShadowShotXD]

So can you just grind to 110 not do any quest or anything then use the research notes and then go do all the questing?