Legion Tanking Comparison

[@saberwolfcdw]

TL;DR List Worst Prot Paladin - 1:09 Prot Warrior - 3:19 Better Vengence Demon Hunter - 5:55 Gaurdian Druid - 10:43 Best Blood Deathknight - 12:35 Brewmaster Monk - 15:45

[@Dotoku14]

This is like a comment version of adblock. Stop.

[@Eeiv.]

Why do you read comments before watching the video then?

[@geoka9991]

+Chef Larom Shut the fuck up. This guy is being helpful no only writing the list, but also writing the times so that people can go to the class they want to see. Stop moaning.

[@saberwolfcdw]

Exactly my thoughts!

[@CloakingDonkey]

The point is that you watch the entire video though. That's how youtube works. I will never get it. You folks will sit there and watch janky ass streams for hours on end but you can't watch a 20min video without needing to skip half of it? Gotta take some more of that adderall me thinks.

[@Doomdougie]

If you like playing certain class play it ,don't let other people effect your decision ,for me I like playing a warrior and pally

[@Prayse9]

I am playing my undead warrior too... was my first max level char on an official server and I really love him

[@kershaw1450]

i think people freak out a bit too much with the "numbers" of the class.

[@Jonra1]

Well that's something that should be obvious, but as 8-9 year warrior main, WoD was my last expansion playing one. Just far too boring and easy, it's something that you seemingly can't play wrong. While rest of my raid learned their new specs and boss fights, I'd be there with nothing interesting to do or learn. Demon Hunter is seemingly bit of an underdog anyway, works fine for me.

[@ranorando613]

Yeah no shit, idk why everyone feels they need to say this whenever someone makes a video about specs.

[@khuobol6349]

Yeah no shit that's why he repeats himself over and over that it's all his opinion and he understands why people play other classes.

[@wtred92]

I really like the explanation of your decisions at the end of the video. It helps make everything clear. Great video Preach!

[@chimchompat5909]

What you said at the end is why I love brewmaster, not only do you have the interaction with brews and lowering the cooldowns but brewmasters have a really fun ability to kite adds and live through stuff that shouldn't be possible.

[@DominarQuintus]

That decision turns out to be spam ISB to keep 90% up time at 110.

[@AtzenMiro]

That was just in the beginning of the Brewmaster. Now it is not possible anymore to keep ISB up 100% all the time, at least when you still want to purify your stagger. And you also do not want to keep it up 100% all the time, the stagger will get very high very fast. The tuning at the moment is so you use ISB as your active mitigation tool (the Brewmaster hasn't others) like the Prot Paladin is using SotR as his and then purify your stagger whenever needed.

[@TheShinyDunsparce]

If you have that high of uptime on ISB, the stagger damage is going to kill you.

[@chimchompat5909]

+TheShinyDunsparce yea there isn't a point of stagger if you never purify it

[@AtzenMiro]

Chimchompat The issue is that you can't purify all your stagger at once, only half of it with one charge of PB. But when you keep ISB up 100% all the time you won't have the charges of PB to purify you in the long run, or when demanden.

[@Duxaization]

I like how you explain your reasoning and the other factors after you list, it beings allot more clarity to your videos. It also makes them more professional, as you are taking other factors into account and you are addressing bias you may have. Keep up the good work.

[@Mr3Machine]

LOVE these comparison videos so much, first time WoW player here getting ready for legion and they help so much! Thanks

[@darcraven01]

i tried the brewmaster and it just felt horrible to me. i really enjoyed the brewmaster up through wod but it just felt bare to me on the ptr and in the prepatch... but i guess to each their own

[@RobinotX]

In what way you felt it is horrible :)?

[@belro17]

Prepatch definitely feels pretty bad, but the artifact has quite a few quality of life things

[@Gewsfrahba]

yeah i dont get that what didnt u like? i think its better

[@Geroaergaroe]

You need OD for the brewmaster to work properly.

[@darcraven01]

+Gewsfrahba +RobinotX idk.. it just felt slower than i remember it, and didn't feel as martial art-sy... idk. its just my own opinion, and obviously a lot of people will disagree with me... thats alright. to each their own.

[@williammclachlan4078]

I agree with most of the list except warriors which I'd have first or 2nd. It could be better, with more choices but the mobility, animations and some of the dbz style screaming are really awesome and compensate for ignore everything.... I mean pain.

[@brettpierce5225]

Agreed completely

[@williammclachlan4078]

+FuZZy961 Nice trolling. Much wow. I want your babies.

[@adianblabla]

Nah mate, he actually thinks for himself. You should try that yourself sometimes.

[@5133937]

Also agree, but moreover I think Preach may be selling the warrior rotation short a little. With ~40% haste you can get 100% uptime on Shield Block, and that then leads to an interesting rage management challenge in which you want to 1) keep Shield Block up, while 2) buffing Shield Slam DPS with Focused Rage as much as possible, while 3) getting as many IP's in as possible too, without rage starving yourself at crucial moments. Talent synergy between Ultimatum and Vengeance adds RNG procs to the mix, reducing rage costs on FR and IP but at random times. It turns into a high-maintenance high-apm playstyle but with a hefty reward, particularly in hard progression content. I would rate Warrior #2 for that. (Druid #1 b/c you get the same thing just spamming Swipe, IF, and Frenzied Regen).

[@fyre8011]

I'm so glad you're making these videos and keep pushing the point that numbers don't matter. It's all about having fun.

[@Twistedman2000]

wtf is going on with legion. top classes: shamans monks and shdowpriests

[@SadBirbHours]

A revolution, a beautiful class revolution.

[@Akeche]

Top in terms of gameplay for him, not performance.

[@keeganoneill4]

Forgetting Death Knight

[@twinkacast]

Mage will reign supreme. that said no ks are a close second.

[@brettpierce5225]

That's what I've been saying, eventhough I don't play them (and still won't), I'm really glad those classes/specs have gotten some love

[@TheNaum80]

So this is just a fun factor list? not a viability list? beacuse what I've read and seen Prot paladins and Bear druids gonna be the togo tanks

[@niminikune]

its mostly fun cause palas are strong but boring so if u want too know which is the best tank not the most fun than this lsit is wrong for u

[@williammclachlan4078]

Just no. One of them can be a warrior's sidekick but that us all.

[@tomboyle4312]

He does say they're viable though. Listen to all the words.

[@niminikune]

yeah he says all the tanks are viable and he looks at the utility each of them brings but he doesnt look at ok this tank takes 0.021% less dmg cause that will change

[@Omega_thehusky]

that's weird I heard dk and dh are gonna be the best tanks

[@mbarko606]

Love your videos so much Preach, gonna love them even more now that Ghost is joining you full time

[@Phbickle]

Thanks for the video! I'm just getting back to wow after 3ish year break (left in second tier of MoP) and wanted to level a tank alt. I don't really like tanking that much, but like having the alt to help others, so the simplicity of Warrior and Pally really appeals to me . This video made my deciding on an alt much easier!

[@MitchelBurton]

It's finally here! Thank you Preach, been looking forward to using this to help me finally decide what class to play!

[@FrictionCanada]

Very helpful thank you. Just came back to WoW after not playing since Lich King, your thoughts gave me a lot to consider for my grinding old chars, and for my 100 boost!

[@UrutoraTatsujin]

Hey Preach, is the song at around 20:55 Varien - Sacred Woods? It is hard to tell and there's nothing about it in the description but I thought I heard some of the vocals.

[@anthonymunoz7322]

Thanks Preach. I've been taking your advice on picking a main for Legion. Your videos paired with my own testing has been a great help. I was so looking forward to maining a DH but have decided that Monk is my way to go. Loads of fun and lots of utility and role options.

[@davisactual]

was REALLY looking forward to the this recap. Thank you very much!

[@aetherfukz]

As a fellow tank player since vanilla I can concur that Brewmaster is the only tank that still feels rewarding to play in this expansion.

[@1NURHEAD]

Exactly what I was saying from the start about the prot warrior, it comes down to just using "Ignore Pain"

[@Graenolf]

Really struggling between prot pally and vengeance DH.. Any thoughts?

[@atikin1995]

Well first of all play what you like, its all about having fun in the end, so pick class that you like the most. I would personally choose paladin, I like the button smashy style and as he said its kinda hard to fuck up with prot paladin. But thats totally my opinion.

[@Graenolf]

***** Good feedback. Thank you : )

[@woelke]

After playing WoW for 12 years an never tanking, I'm really enjoying tanking as a Vengence DH. i dont know that i could go back to not having double jump and double leap.

[@kershaw1450]

one is very mobile the other is not so much haha

[@EurekaELVN]

Try watching the video

[@languajephillio]

The end of this video was really good! Just hammering home that point that it's personal opinion, stuff changes, play what you enjoy even if Preach doesn't personally enjoy it! Shows some responsibility from you Preach knowing the influence your popularity can have. Gotta hope people take that to heart and chill out when it comes to judging other people's decisions in that oh so fun elitist way some tend to do. Also I'm really enjoying prot pally due to how somewhat relaxed it feels to play (at the moment at least!) and the new animations and sounds (CLONK) really help add to the fun.

[@Zer0Hour17]

Just an FYI to people. Just today in a hotfix on live Death Knight's bone shield and Prot Warrior's ignore pain have been nerfed.

[@ventem]

And Vengeance Demon Hunters got buffed. The self heal is now even stronger (by 22%) and their main mitigation ability (demon spikes) now reduces more damage via mastery. The baseline ability was not changed, just how much their mastery affects it.

[@Davion89]

Ignore Pain is still strong AF and Warrior is still realy strong. Dk is still fine and the main problem for DH wich is magic damage still wasn't addressed. Demon Spikes mitigates only Physical dmg. For Mythic content u still don't want to use a demon hunter

[@ventem]

MasterofDesaster1989 While I agree that Demon Hunters can't quite deal with magical damage very well compared to some other tanks, I definitely wouldn't say "don't use a Demon Hunter". Many people say that they're going to be fantastic "off-tanks" or "add-tanks" or whatever people want to call it these days due to their movement alone. They still have ways to help reduce magical damage though; they passively reduce all magic damage taken by 10% which is okay. Plus they have Empower Wards to reduce that by another 30% for 6 seconds which is on a 20 second CD. Those two combined is pretty good. Every tank is going to be viable in Legion, whether anyone likes it or not. There will always be a tank that may be easier to handle or manage in a single raid due to mechanics and how their kit could handle the mechanics (that's just the nature of MMOs), but all will be viable. It looks like Guardian Druid is going to be that easier tank this expansion with their large health pools that don't affect the healers mana any more than any other tank would. Warriors a close second with ignore pain. But we'll see what the top guilds start saying when it comes time to raid in Legion. But as of right now, it's far too early to start spreading the "don't take this class/spec" stuff.

[@Davion89]

+Ventem Well everything you said is correct but that doesn't change the fact that dh just gets killed during one global cooldown in high mythic+ dungeons. And you don't have a good defensiv cooldown to mitigate dmg when you pull a big pack you will be dead before you can say soul cleave. And the last time you had something like an off tank or add tank was years ago. As a warrior you can just use one ability and than you can use Shield block and you are good to go. Same with dk (Bone shield) paly (SoTR) druid (iron fur + massiv health Pool) i don't play monk so i cant say anything about monk.

[@Sullaxe]

Your insight to Legion before launch was ideal for me. I myself am now starting to main a Brewmaster Monk with a fire theme. Keep up the awesome videos.

[@brettpierce5225]

I love your lists, even if I don't agree with parts of them (I love Warrior tanking still). If you did a restrospect of the DPS (Melee/Ranged) and Healing right before launch when the balancing is wrapped up for the most part, I'd be so happy. Maybe even just one video, saying who'd you'd move up/down, and did a Winner and Loser's list for the Classes for Legion, taking all the specs and their playstyles into perspective.

[@nestrior7733]

Began to focus on Tanking in WoD, because I didn't feel like the feral or restro druid were for me anymore and did have quite some fun with it in the weeks and couple months after launch. When I heard that Tanking in Legion got much simpler, I was bumped out, but got kind of excited for feral and restro again, but other speccs sounded more exciting. I even abandoned the druid for a long time because I wanted to level other characters instead. But hearing about having proper options makes it much more exciting than I had in mind so far, and now I will stop levelling and try to get back into stuff. I know, I know, pre-patch is nothing to go by, but it allows to get a general feel and when I like it, I will continue maining my druid for the 6th year.

[@Bluggardpirate]

I'm going to try out Guardian, but this is the first expansion since WotLK that I might be switching mains to something other than Druid (which is a shame because I got the Salty title on him). I'm a long time Feral, but the duration changes to the most viable talents (savage roar & jagged wounds) make the spec damn near unmanageable. This compounds with the spec's other weaknesses and I'm just about ready to throw in the towel - giving a close eye to DK and Monk given Preach's recommendations. Hopefully Guardian can save druid for me...made a lot of progress on him I'd prefer not to abandon.

[@nestrior7733]

All in all, the druid seems to be this multitalent it always (or at least since WotLK) was that offers most players something. Will probably play around with everything I can get half decent gear for until launch and then make my proper decision on it. Haven't played him since before 6.1, so it's been a while. Though Enhancement and Shadow are so damn tempting...

[@Jandau85]

Just one complaint - DKs have good talent choices? REALLY? DK has only 1 good talent in most tiers. There's next to no choice with DK talents. Seriously, it's kinda sad. I love my BLood DK and will likely main him iin Legion, but talent choices are garbage...

[@viktorm7672]

very true. ive found most Dk specs have mustpick talents, with some noteable exceptions like UH DK 100 talent choice. but like: the sludge belcher for instance, its a must pick for PVE, it's boring, ugly (uses a scaled down vanilla model whereas the wlock got tons of cool new pet models) and you can't even glyph it to look better...

[@noherczeg]

I can't understand this either. Same goes to healers where druids are fun, but priests aren't while one of them mashes the button in whole fights just like the other while the difference is HoTs vs direct heals. Talent wise druids have like two rows where there is any decision to be made.

[@redfellow]

I believe he was talking about the talents in regards if they were to be balanced at 110. Current balance gives us really three tiers that have the "best talent" but that also have a niche talent that is useful in certain scenarios. Rest of the tiers really have just one choice.

[@Migolcow]

Seriously. DKs have ~5 mandatory talents, and ~8 that just don't work worth crap. The only tier you get any choice on is the last.

[@redfellow]

First tier has a niche talent for encounters you require healing but are often out of boss range (Blooddrinker can be channeled while running to the boss from up to 30yd). Second tier has a niche talent (Spectral Deflection) for bosses that hit very very slow, but very very hard. Third tier has Anti-Magic Barrier, and if we ever see a fight that has comparable burst damage to Mythic Mannoroth, it can be a valuable extra CD (it's doubtful thought, but it's there.) Fourth tier you take Red Thirst no matter what. Fifth tier is a free choice in raiding, but Tightening Grasp let's us kite with DnD in high Mythic+. Sixth tier you take Foul Bulwark, and tha's it. Seventh tier you take Purgatory unless you overgear content and want more DPS, in that case you take Bonestorm. TL;DR; #1 is 99% Heartbreaker, but on some raid bosses you may opt Blooddrinker #2 is 99% RD, but on some raid bosses you may opt SD #3 is 99% Ossuary, but in future tiers you might opt Anti-Magic Barrier for some raid bosses #4 and #6 are set to stone. #5 is personal prefereance, but Tightening Grasp is generally the right choice for M+ due kiting. #7 you swap Bonestorm / Purgatory likely when you are overgearing content or in/out of raid/M+

[@Bibleybob]

I was so lost without the lord and savior preach, thank you for once again showing us the way. *stops refreshing preach youtube page every half an hour 24/7*

[@gearzdesign]

As of today, DH just got a minor buff for tanking, doesn't really change gameplay, just a bit more healing/tankiness. I've been tempted to see how monk is. I have a lv. 34 that I started a while back, maybe I'll start leveling it up.

[@Cromon3]

That scratch on the TV tho ...

[@Znuffle]

15:29 (your wraith walk is not out of the action bars?.. Its DK's mobility.. You can also talent it so it last twice as long)

[@Nemesis5887]

If I could suggest a video, since release day for Legion is ticking by, for a comparison among all the characters with all specs. For the people who are undecided, seeing the comparison of all the classes compiled into the strength, weakness and how fun they are e.g. someone torn between DK and Monk could see how all the specs compare and what would be more interesting for them to try. Thanks for your time and the great videos. :)

[@RatchildUK]

Monk master race....errr class.

[@chasedogman2032]

Pandaren master race!

[@twinkacast]

+Chase P. As long as they're mages

[@MInquisition]

I've picked up monk in the prepatch due to all their really fun specs, and sifting through every one of these videos I've been sitting here like "The monk spec is gonna be the best one, just watch"

[@Robster-Craw]

i played a monk for the last 3 months, I just resubbed after a 9 or so year break from WoW. My last expack was burning crusades. I was really digging the Brew master and then they changed it. Now i have to say Demon Hunter is much more fun to tank in regular/heroic dungeons. Seeing how i havent raided yet i have nothing to compare it too in that area of gameplay. I have a paladin, monk and demon hunter. And the demon hunter is what i find my self enjoying the most.

[@justin4018]

To this day I have never seen a pandaren mage in the wild.

[@liangdar9675]

To be honest lists like this seem needless for tanks and misleading for everybody, who are still looking for a main as a tank for legion. Don't feel discouraged to pick a class preach ranked lower on this list. I spent a lot of time on the beta and let me tell you guys gameplaywise the difference between the low end and the high end is very small for tanks. I feel like all of the classes lack a lot of depth and feel awfully similar. Additionally my list would look completely different. I hate the new brewmaster, which could be because I mained one in WoD and hate the changes, which is maybe partly a reason why preach dislikes the Legion Prot Warrior so much. I still enjoy tanking, but I feel like which class I'd choose would make very little difference. Only thing important is first which kind of gameplay you enjoy as a tank, proactive or reactive or in the case you're looking to progress the hardest content, which classes are the strongest. TLDR: Don't let this list influence you too much. Try to get more in depth information and try it for yourself.

[@Oli_Thompson]

I'm really enjoying my Brewmaster at the moment, really having fun! :) Great video Preach and always look forward to hearing your views :)

[@Rookums]

PREACH! Thanks for making videos man. You help make my life awesome!

[@curtisschrum6289]

@PreachGaming I love your work. I personally find tanking stressful as shit as this is the first xpac Im going to tank Ive healed since Vanilla. So Pally is where Im going but your insight into what I can level my eyes on for more engaging tank experiences is good. Keep up the good work man

[@YoutuberMusics]

Great video. What is the background music you use in all these videos?

[@ryanexsus]

I have 8 100's right now heading into Legion. My three tanks are my Guardian Druid, Blood DK, and Vengeance DH. My healers are Holy Priest and Mistweaver Monk. Then I have my old main Arms Warrior, Ret Pally, Enhancement Shaman and a low level rogue and warlock. I'm working on my level 94 Survival Hunter I'm trying to get to 100 right now before Legion launches. I might think about tanking on the warrior depending on how hard it is to level two artifacts.

[@prinstyrio0]

While I think Protection Paladin lacks certain things and could surely be done better, I find it more fun and engaging than Warrior or Druid tanking, and it especially feels better than WoD Protadin for me, and I've played one since TBC and partly vanilla. The thing about Protection Paladin (especially now) is that if you wanna be a tank with self sustain and self mitigation, saving your abilities only for yourself, it's damn easy and not so engaging, which ends you with a boring rotation. But if you take Protection Paladin a step further and see them as a tank with the ability to support the group and the healer, it becomes a ton of fun if you're into that sort of thing. I've started using the Hand of the Protector with Righteous Protector, along with Bastion of Light, which is actually a ton of fun. There's a lot of encounters, especially bosses, (mostly in 5man but raids too) where it will benefit you more healing your allies to help your healer than to wait for that moment when you need to heal yourself. If your allies requires the immediate healing more than you, and knowing your healer will struggle, using that heal on them puts less strain on the healer and also means they can focus on you sooner. You become this "oh shit" off-healer, seeing as Hand of the Protector heals more the less HP they have, which makes it very rewarding when you get that massive heal with an ally at 5% HP. This support side can be seen with other things the paladin has, like the Blessings or Lay on Hands. They're not all just for yourself, and what makes me engaged in playing a paladin tank is knowing when these are useful for me and when they're more on others. Add this with how we finally have a useful ability to heal others regularly (Don't even say Word of Glory or the talented version was useful for anyone but yourself), it makes me feel like a true paladin that can protect others beyond just tanking. Now some might see this as pretty niche, especially if you're doing Mythic raiding or progressing content. I'd not go it other than when I'm confident that I won't have much problem and I know the encounters. Others may also say that tanks should just tank, and healers should do the rest. But frankly, I see no reason why you can't have a mixture. In the end, as a tank your job is not just to tank, but to make the runs as smooth as possible. I feel this was also what they were always trying to aim with Prot Paladin (even if the heal is a talent) and why it has such simple and at times boring rotation. The rotation allows you to widen your focus to your whole group a lot better, which in turn means you can pull those quick moves to save your allies.

[@SutaSafaia]

Nice to know where the tanks stand for raiding, but what about soloing? For doing old MoP or (possibly) even WoD content solo, who do you think is best? Is that still blood dk? Seems like guardian druid and vengeance dh might be closing the gap. Maybe even the new affliction locks.

[@madcat789]

Preacher! What is the name of the music you put in the Legacy Of: Paladins video!

[@UltraEclipse]

Hi Preacher , QUick question i notice you are very minimalistic in your UI setup, what kind of add ons do you use ?

[@iceee420]

hello preach, in the healer video you said its possible to level to level in a dps spec and save your artifact power to put into your healer weapon at max level or whatever. atm im playing a blood dk and am unsure if i like this iteration of it. would leveling as a blood dk and trying it out be tolerable and able to do normal/heroic difficulty while saving my artifact power?

[@astavo1667]

That would be perfectly fine. You'll only get a real test of tanks during dungeons, but for leveling, you get a sense of the playstyle. It's the best way to try a spec

[@Zer0Hour17]

It should be fine in normal dungeons while leveling, but heroics may be too much.

[@tokyotom86]

Whats the song playing in the beginning of the video during the pally and warrior comparisons?

[@RagnarokiaNG]

Is a Blood DK a suitable offtank with a protection warrior? I've only been DK as my "main alt" before so this is the first time actually doing my main raiding as a tank so I'm unfamiliar with combinations etc. I doubt I'd change since I adore Blood DK but you know, it's good to know if I'm dragging people down with my choice or not.

[@radu-stefanbudau9642]

@preachgaming Regarding what you said about perpatch being chaos right now on my prot paladin i can easily be first on zakuun mythic because its a short fight and im always first on burst ,i play my tank as an burst dps regarding talents and playstyle will this be completlty nullified in legion?The only thing keeping me on my paladin is that if i align correctly im better than dpsers its really sad if thats not the case at least in the first 2 raids. Would appreciat your response.

[@sequel4]

preach, you mentioned some stuff about tweaking with the warrior mechanics, but is rage still tied to % max hp?

[@CaseyNickell]

Preacher, do you think DH tanks will be Viable though for more serious raiding? Or is running DH tank going to hold my guild back?

[@BurakkuHishou]

For Warrior, i got the talent that allows my ignore pain and my Focused rage to buff each other so instead of just focusing on ignore pain, i bounce between the two and shield block. it makes for a much more interesting rotation.

[@ibage508]

Just curious, I've just recently tried tanking on a DH and I love it. During the Alpha, I managed to get a Havoc DH to 110 and I really enjoyed that. Honestly, I could do either. However, I'm planning on sticking to 5-man progression and Normal and maybe a bit of Heroic raiding. How does DH fare tanking in Mythic+?

[@noherczeg]

Everyone should watch the outro, because he summarised his views and reasons pretty well. First time for example when I see someone mentioning that pre patch is broken effectively. I know many of us know this, but to other people this might not be trivial. The OP-ness vs fun explanation is clear for me now as well.

[@brantbechtel1164]

Been a Guardian Druid since Cata and I just love this incarnation of the hybrid talent tier. Just a bit ago I actually healed and tanked a dungeon on timewalking VP because healer died to static cling twice (side note love the brez without needing to be in caster). For me the question isn't "Is the tanking interesting?" but "rather what can I do for the group in addition to tanking?"

[@TheAssirra]

Are you planning to do an overview of Brewmasters after all the praise?

[@Chamassanya]

dude you fixed the audio in the office and i love it even more keep it up

[@scollumbell]

Good Job preach, Really well looked at and understand your choices! :D BUT THAT SCRATCH THOOOO!!!!!!!

[@DjorgusPlaying]

Hey preach, I was thinking about Maining my monk but I really love tanking and don't mind healing is leveling as a tank fine or should i do the lvl as dps and don't put artifact power into the weps and save them for the tank and healing weapons?

[@CosmicMusic2k]

So as a hybrid, Monk seems to be the go to choice. I was planning to play a Windwalker anyway but I am happy to see Brewmaster and Mistweaver beeing up there aswell. I think i'll go with the Windwalker/Mistweaver Combo as Holy Priest just isn't as fun anymore.

[@Cultofkaji]

Hey preacher can you try and make a in depth guide on legion brewmaster. There is nothing out there right now on BM real shame love the spec could use some help though understanding it . thx in advance m8

[@havocgamin9070]

Preach Im curious, not mad, about the demon hunter, you say they dont have alot of mitigation but they have, empower wards demon spikes and fiery brand?

[@josedavidmunozmartinez4722]

I don't agree with you at all, not dps, not healers, not tanks xD I just like watching your videos haha.

[@jwenting]

yes, he's overall just spouting negativity about Legion on all fronts. Just because he personally doesn't like anything about it doesn't make it bad.

[@josedavidmunozmartinez4722]

Yeah, it's a shame he doesn't like it :P Personally, I think Prot Pallies, Prot Warriors and Bears are amazing... both fun and good to play and for healers, Hpaladin is my favorite along with the Disc Priest.

[@herogamer555]

This is an opinion video. He states quite a few times that this is his opinion. He never said that any of the tanks were bad except for DH, and it's a very real problem that they have in higher damage situations.

[@Monstarz]

Prot Warrior is going to be a required main tank spot for every top guild. They take next to zero dmg and have many cds for pressing mechanics. Also they have a leach talent for the whole raid to passive heal from their dmg. Past that either Guardian druid or blood dk are picked up as the other tank. They are both great for tank swapping as they heal themselves up. They don't spike when they are holding the boss either due to blood shield for dk and prepping the dmg for the druid with iron fur. Unfortunately DH spikes in dmg without something like blood sheild. Pally's are having dmg spike issues without their cds currently. And Monks do best when below half life where healers never want to see their tank at half life.

[@yoshiguy123]

That's a flat out lie. I've watched only like 2 or 3 of his legion bids but he said tonnes of positive things. Selective hearing?

[@WCamden]

The scratch on the screen... Can never be unseen

[@Baardnick]

Preach what is your GPU and CPU setup? how much FPS do u have and what settings do u play on?:)

[@willgalloway2050]

evening preach in need your help I'm struggling I've applied your entire tanking guide and I'm still struggling i think it's a defo case of its me not you, I've gone with a vengeance deamon hunter as a tank (I'm not new to tanking I've been a feral druid in tbc and a blood dk in wrath and cata didn't play mists and returned in wod but didn't tank) I can't find a legion guide you did for the vengeance deamon hunter did you do one ? are you able to share with me your thoughts

[@even1313]

Can we use the group finder for mythic+ dungeons in legion? I haven't tried the betas at all. I'm not asking how viable it is just if it can be done.

[@codalicious666]

with the first tier bonus for DH it looks like there will be a huge uptime on demon spikes and stacking mastery mastery makes demon spikes super powerful. I have a feeling when nighthold comes out DH tanks will be OP.

[@QuantaKill]

Can u do a more detailed gameplay of the Brewmaster? I've been a long time player, but didn't really play more than 1 month of Draenor. Having a hard time reducing damage with my Brewmaster. I pull, press Ironskin Brew and if I Purify only when the Auras shine in yellow? Expel Harm and Gift of the Ox to work, u need to be like at close to 50-70% HP ... which is quiet different from the other tanks ..

[@Jonasansu]

My list is almost completely inverted. Mind you outside of my server community I am a nobody and this is my personal very biased opinion. I am really enjoying my prot pally. That obviously might have something to do with having the same main since vanilla and being a prot pally since BC, but I really enjoyed both the beta and it in live, the artifact weapon and talents are really good and we have a lot of mythic dungeon utility. The only thing I would switch around on my list are monk and warrior. I can't stand prot warrior now and brewmaster is just so good.

[@Malakree]

Personally I kinda agree with you on some things for vengance. - Losing sigil of chains was a sad thing when I noticed they had put it back on the sigil tier :( - Meta really needs to be buffed to actually have it's gameplay improved. - The DH does have the same mitigation potential and complexity as guardian druid but it's all tied up in felblade, fracture and soul barrier. With those 3 you get way more choice in how you utilise your resources and also in prepping for incoming damage. High haste and mastery are guna be really important in making vengeance both fun and good.

[@TheTarne]

i will be going druid resto. however curious how guardian stacks up in mythic +? . always nuce to be that guy who can help out the main tanks during progress

[@aciarduce]

I think that the most viable end game atm in regards to shrugging off damage without too much of a thought are Guardian Druid and Brewmaster Monks. Monks have a much more interesting rotation and options. Druids have great base line reduction and can pick and chose how they want to improve one it, not to mention their self healing is beautiful for when the reduction isnt enough.

[@HalikBun]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I actually like the new Shield Of The Righteous and "word of glory." Never cared for the pooling system of [Get 3 holy power, wait for attack CDs, use Shield Of The Righteous/Word of Glory, spam 3 attacks for holy power, use SotR/WoG again]. Now you can just pool 3 charges of SotR, and Light of the Protector can be available for those clutch saves. The problem is that your three attack abilities are still spammed. Judgement still just gives you "holy power," Avenging shield gives you an absorb (which I'm going to avoid the trait for as long as I can so I don't feel obligated to spam it asap), and Blessed Hammer is just mitigation, so you want to spam these as soon as they come up, which is what they should have focused on giving functionality to instead of consecrate. If they give Judgement the same kind of functionality as Thunder Tea/Blackout Strike where it modifies other abilities, as well as removed the defensive capabilities of Avengers Shield as to keep it as a utility/damage move instead of a spam asap move, I think the prot paladin would be in a nice place. Or heck, just increase to CD of Judgement and Avenger's shield a little bit and increase their defensive power (for example: instant charge of SotR from Judgement), and that would add some kind of decision making to the spell.

[@tuskybarn]

Great video Preach! Wanted to ask: does active mitigation still feel like it gets chewed up and spit out as you said in the first one? Where you felt sometimes you just ran out of answers and had to pray the healer was awake? Thanks and keep up the good work, your Legion coverage is probably the best you've ever done, very appreciated!

[@dextermariclarsson5606]

This question is not really relevant to max level. As i will be tanking (guardian druid) in Legion. Shall i go directly at Guardian artifact weapon and level as a tank? Or just go feral artifact and then complete the tanking artifact at max level instead at lvl 100?

[@avoidconfusion]

Biggest turnoff for Druid Tanking is the fact that I need to look at bear-ass all day long. If they had a glyph that gave me the option to maintain the normal humanoid form, it would be much more attractive.

[@SadBirbHours]

But you can be a stone bear. That has to count for something right?

[@SalvLav]

Cant you use toys and such now while you are in different forms now?

[@puppe213]

Then druid really isn't for you.

[@brettpierce5225]

That's honestly the reason I won't go Boomkin, although I could see myself really enjoying the spec now. I just can't stand to look at that Owl MONSTROSITY for weeks on end

[@zepetv589]

there's a glyph to not look like an owl

[@rickgrimes6947]

how do you get the camera to go that high up im a newb having problem targeting in small spaces cause i cant see

[@WaxedWolf]

/console cameraDistanceMaxFactor 2.6 It got added when the invasions came out. Not as good as it used to be but much better than the default.

[@scflippy]

and under "interface > camera > camera following style" pick 'never adjust camera'

[@danieloliver8683]

I have played the same Blood Elf pally tank since BC and will continue to do so, but I think that I might check out the brewmaster now.

[@snowdatanktv6502]

Well. Had already picked Brewmaster to tank legion, it's just so elegant when compared to the other options. Great vid preach.

[@TheEaker]

I've been a Bear since Wrath and that will never change. Also do you tank alot because you face the mobs towards the group....why? You always tank with the back towards the group.

[@aleksanderbodolai7048]

How do Blood DK avoid being oneshot by stronger raid bosses without a shield or mitigation cooldowns like the rest of the tanks (bears don't have shield, but they have several mitigation abilities)?

[@thebritishgeek]

Rune tap + trinkets probably. Even so you cant really be one shot as a DK, you have purgatory.

[@Xantosh82]

i have been saying this since they stopped them being a hero class, i was a frost DW at launch of them and took way less dmg than my guild leader who was blood and only once i came across an Unholy tank (who was off fucken tap! he topped dps and never died!) they should have kept Frost tanks and made Blood dps!

[@aleksanderbodolai7048]

I use neither Rune Tap or Purgatory, and Purgatory is moreover on a 3 min. cooldown, so I think there must be another mechanic that makes Blood DK viable against bosses that do loads of damage. By the way, I've been tanking mythic dungeons in WoD with my Blood DK without any issue, I just want to know the mechanic that compensates not having damage mitigation cooldowns...

[@thebritishgeek]

Aleksander Bodolai You asked how you make them viable against hard hitting bosses and i told you. You don't just keep one set of talents and expect to do everything.

[@aleksanderbodolai7048]

TheBritishGeek I get what you are saying and you are right, but how can Purgatory, on a 3 minute CD, save you from a boss that could kill you in 3-4 hits? What I mean is that Blood DK and Vengeance DH have this retroactive tanking style where they heal the damage they take instead of mitigating it, so my question was more focused towards something like this: "Does the Blood DK have more stamina (and thus health pool), parry/dodge, anything that would make them beefier than other tanking classes stat-wise to make up for them not having damage mitigation CDs?"

[@MythosGRsenpai]

Are you going to do the same but for PvP ? thanks anyway :)

[@HonaxOfficial]

Not sure why this was recommended now, but it was a nice walk down memory lane

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

I won't lie, I hate Focused Rage the most on the prot warrior. My main is a prot warrior and I despise focused rage. It feels so out of place like it doesn't even belong in my rotation.

[@lialockhart7455]

Whats fun is that I like both your worst and best tanks! Fun vid.

[@Rattja]

*Shrug* I like the protection paladin. Looking at their giant bag of tricks I don't quite understand how they have little choice but hey, that's just me. Fun for me is to be able to do things no other class can do, and the paladin can do just that. That they are also looking to be very strong with their mastery and all that is just a bonus.

[@boohennessy4638]

I tried brewmaster in WOD, it felt weaker, maybe I just sucked at it. Does it just have a higher learning curve?

[@Tytus01UNIT]

I like that I main monk for legion, exactly because of this reason - you have to play monk right. It really feels that the skill and fun cap is a little more higher then just numbers or safety of most other classes. But from the other side even I know my class is the not brain dead class, it is not a best choice for RL. Progression in games is not about how fun it is to play your class - the fun comes just from progress. So all op/safe classes will be higher in this list of picking for hard content. For me monk will be a competitive in dps/heal, but tank is just too stressful for me as a healer who has to heal a tank.

[@jonneeley9866]

Whats a scorching day in the UK? 23 c?

[@bruceliu1657]

do you have to remake it with the bear edit?

[@zxc9884761]

who is better at soloing 1 tier before current tier content now? Blood dk or Veng DH? thanks.

[@mikkelmv3991]

So got to ask. For Mythic What tanks do you think would do best? ranked in Power compared to not what is most fun. but what can do best in Mythic:D

[@thecakewolf9274]

BM Best.... Have you seen the cooldowns and things we have to chose from as talents... Followed preach for a long time but never have I had such complete opposite opinions to him on a video.

[@alexbeatsow9378]

How did you move you Unit bars in the center, mate?

[@kbdemonbain]

i am hoping fury warriors are viable at 110 cause i am just having a blast playing my fury warrior. i'll eventually tank and hopefully prot warrior is acceptable in raids but right now fury all day every day and having a blast. but i do look forward to my shadow priest

[@kbdemonbain]

***** that is not much different than any other rotation especially since my other choice was my paladin, and ret is so damn boring.

[@fatalexception1269]

I got rid of that stupid filler ability that fury warriors have: can't even remember what it was called because it was so damn boring. Whirlwind all day now baby!

[@kbdemonbain]

***** well furious slash you throw in when you can single target

[@TheLifesentence2278]

back in the day I was able to get my paladin to 96% damage avoidance + the 40% block chance. I suppose it's impossible to get those types of numbers with a dh tank?

[@TheLifesentence2278]

I'd pull rooms and just watch my pally dance.

[@notes9465]

during the prepatch im currently bringing my toons to ilvl 700 because i stopped playing WoD just after Blackrock then once legion hits i'll have 2 classes 110 asap the first being the one i enjoy the rotations on and will be my main and a DH who i will be leveling with my friend to 110 when we can

[@Snowflash38]

this will be my first expansion tanking and i'm feeling happy about rolling a monk. Can i just ask, what is the exact role of the off tank? What are they expected to do?

[@niminikune]

think about tank number 1 and tank number 2 tank u are tank number 2 the number 1 tanks the boss the the other one the adds if thats possible mostly cause of debuffs is not and u need too swich

[@ianmitchell5169]

Also, there are quite a few boss mechanics that will quickly kill a single tank, like stacking DoTs or debuffs. Offtanks will switch in like a relief pitcher to give the main tank time to breathe.

[@niminikune]

yeah but today its more like u have 2 tanks thats it both tank mostly 50% of the time cause of debuffs

[@onein32k77]

You were on hiatus! Welcome back man, thanks for the video. I missed that video you posted and took down immediately, what was the drama about?

[@mrheartbane]

Strength of tanks watching Slootbag (Serenitys MT) and Sco twitch : 1.Guardian Druid 2.Prot Pally 3.Prot Warrior 4.Blood DK 5.DH 6.Brewmaster

[@dragor7059]

as dps i want to main a demon hunter for progress raiding, but i'm afraid i wont get a raid spot since its a new class and many will be playing as dh. what do you guys think?

[@SadBirbHours]

Depends on how viable they are, although if you know how to tank you'll stand head and shoulders above the scrubs playing the same role just because they think it looks cool.

[@puppe213]

You should have already locked in a spot in a raidgrp. At this point you'll have to be lucky to get into a decent raidguild as a DH.

[@brettpierce5225]

I agree with the fact that it will be very competitive as most people will be rolling one. If you already have a raid spot, talk to your GL and go for it. If you're not in a guild/don't have a raid spot, you'd honestly be better off playing another spec. I know you should be able to play what you want, but if you're worried about getting a raid spot than you need to think realistically. Good luck either way!