Choosing a Raid Class for Legion - Finale

[@MichaelPGilbert]

HUNTER HYPE! Very surprised you picked it.

[@scrappybristol2011]

BM m8, too good.

[@Tanidge]

trololololol

[@Whitewingdevil]

Curse you Ricky Spanish!

[@Knightblade87]

am i the only one who whispered his name?

[@RoboCobeh]

*Whispers* "Ricky Spanisshhh"

[@firedrake110]

"I need to be the guy who can swap out immediately if a role is suddenly required" * picks a class that can only dps *

[@Jackallleo]

He also said he doesn't want to swap between roles a lot like he did in Ulduar, plus there are still different gear requirements between Frost, Fire and Arcane.

[@firedrake110]

It was him talking about how he's such a reliable player, always making sure to be ready if anyone needs him to step up, which he subverts immediately with his reason for picking mage boiling down to not wanting to tank or heal at all.

[@flameman9]

But the thing that he's explained over the years is that he has a compulsion to step up and be the tank and healer even if he doesn't like it. That's what he's trying to say. If he was to chose the shadow priest, he would still try his hardest to be really good at holy and disc as well and step up and be the healer when they need it even though he wont enjoy it. Picking a mage means he can only dps and focus only on dps which is what he's enjoying at the moment, and he'll still work hard to make sure he at the top of his game with all 3 specs

[@Jbayz]

I think that's the point though. He enjoys things about other specs like shadow more but no longer wants to feel compelled to keep up with a healing spec or two for that matter. If you have something available to you in your class choice, you don't want to be the guy who refuses to do it.

[@will-tani]

It was a matter of *self*-given duty. If he takes multiple specs, he'll have to gear up and be practice all of those specs, not because anyone's necessarily expecting it of him, but because HE can't not do it. That's HIS compulsion, and one he finds annoying to sate especially now that he has less time to play.

[@brandonb417]

I really appreciate how not once during this discussion was there a mention of output. It was all about what he wanted to play and for the various reasons.

[@kuivia]

yeah preach doesn't really talk about that, and besides that in beta you can't trust the numbers

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

Because numbers change. If you play what is best due to output, you will main 4-5 things each xpac

[@r.gletscher5162]

that.. and different encounters will yield vastly different numbers aswell. retri pala as example. numbers will fall down quickly if you have to clear ads, because of the way judgment works.

[@KronosSupreme]

He said the class needed a requirement of 2 roles and cut the rogue right away. But then he chose mage. WHAT IS HE SMOKING?!

[@escolyte]

the requirement is MAXIMUM 2 Roles

[@josejuanandrade4439]

How i chose my class: December 2004... "Hum, i main a necro in D2, what's the closes thing in wow?.. Warlock... OK!!!" And now... almost 12 years later of maining Warlock... i gotta say... FUCK YEAH !

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I find Demo realy fun. Always has, and now, even tho i no longer has Metamorph, it's still realy fun. It has the cooler artifact weapon, lot's of demons, and atop of that, good dps.

[@TheRyoux]

new spriest is really similar to demo

[@Jbayz]

+Ryan W agreed, spamming that empowerment shit felt cumbersome and started to introduce mana management

[@schwann145]

But... Unholy DK is the closest thing to a D2 Necro. xD

[@josejuanandrade4439]

Not back in 2004, Sean. :)

[@CJL10398]

Gratz! You completely opened my eyes to a new way of looking at the class I choose this helps tremendously Preach!

[@effit300]

what'd you choose then? personally: shaman

[@fernandomartinsolarz6992]

I dont know because i really want to play rdps but im not too convinced by the pure rdps classes. But dont wanna be bothered with healing, and i hate being melee, so probably end up playing a mage. Although i'd really like to play ele shaman.

[@NateTheScot]

Enh shaman is serious fun atm. I'm not sure if i'll be able to give up the 2 classes i've alternated between since vanilla as mains, but god the sound and effects when you crash lightning 20+ gathered mobs is like a thunderbolt from zeus himself hitting your speakers.

[@Woosle]

It's always good to know what you're interesting in, and what you want to strive for in a game i.e. raid progression, pvp, roleplay, etc. etc.

[@bilmason5197]

+BeaU Keepo is u like dots assassin rogue affliction warlock and boomy Druid are for you

[@nubiepwn555]

Your videos have really helped me out to choose a priest as my probable main for Legion. Thank you for this series. When I first got to try out surrender to madness I was laughing maniacally I was having so much fun just trying to stay alive during the void form. Disc has brought me back to healing as I used to main a holy paladin back in WotLK and holy priests although they are more boring than the disc priest are still fun and good in my opinion. I like being able to switch my healing spec dependent on what the group needs. Lastly the lore of the shadow priest and the void really draws me to it. The Old Gods and Void Lords in my opinion are darker and more menacing than Sargeras and the Burning Legion. Wielding the power of the void is super badass. Thanks for this series preach.

[@jonsweeney2641]

Preach... your video quality has gotten so much better over the years. Please continue to provide solid content to the WoW community, as you have become quite the asset. Thanks Preach.

[@AndrewYoungPlus]

Loved the creative ways you gave each class a "send off". Keep up the great work and thanks for all that you do for the community.

[@FoaL1991]

I'm happy to see someone else put so much stock into the race (for reasons beyond 1.3% DPS differences in Racial Abilities) and cosmetics for his character. People thought I was crazy for really hating on orc warlocks even back when it was "the best race for the class." The hunched over and huge shoulders just didn't sit right with me. Female orc isn't bad at all, proportion-wise (everything looks great on them), but I didn't want my "main" to be a female, haha. That said, I've chosen Blood Elf Demon Hunter for Legion. Reason 1. Warlock was my first love in WoW, but since Cataclysm I've found a calling in tanking. There was a brief time in 5.0 where Warlocks could "tank" with a Glyph and it was loads of fun, and this is as close as I can get to that. 2. I've been watching other videos about Vengeance and how it has a high skill ceiling: "When you have a shitty DH tank, you'll know it; when you have a good one, you'll know it." That was me with DKs early on in their existence, Monks early on as well. It was so awesome to get a whisper at the end of a Heroic that said "Best [class] tank I've ever had, props." So there it is :)

[@brettpierce5225]

This video actually helped me a lot by really breaking down the potential classes I was deciding on maining. In the end it came down to Warlock and Warrior, with the Lock winning out. Demonology just looks like my style of play and I'm going to give Affliction a go as well, although most people seem to be split on it.

[@benderbg]

In before "Preach, we already have 3 mages but we really need a Ret paladin. Would you mind stepping in homie?" Kappa

[@InfusionTheory]

no mythic guild is going to ask for ret dps, if the need melee they will ask for DK or warrior

[@fatcloudripper1137]

+Adrian Voss extra heals/lay on hands while maintaining dps

[@InfusionTheory]

Bullshit, dont even start bro. If they wanted utility why not get a resto shamman.

[@PriestKikyo]

lol wtf? ret pala and disc priest are the definition of "utility" or "support" now... mix of dps, heals, buffs...

[@charlesscott1468]

also greater blessings will be huge.....just saying

[@jaundiceman]

+preach Thanks for all the encouragement to figure out raiding, choosing a fun class & spec, and applying for a guild. I never would have done it without your videos, and it's so much better than just world questing.

[@VanorstusTV]

Hey preach, do you think playing the beta for hours and hours kinda kills the game for you? Like don't you feel burnt out when the actual expansion comes out because you have spent hours playing the beta? Just wondering, not bashing or anything.

[@themetalone7739]

I've wondered this, myself. Gotta be a buzzkill. The expac comes out, and there are very few surprises for you. I'd never want to do that.

[@Asmongold_CatDany]

If you're competitively raiding, ofcourse it doesn't.

[@Preachgaming]

its part of the job, the thing I avoid is raid testing which is my love

[@CoachNuke]

I think one of the things Preach, just like everyone else, is looking forward to is to see all the cinematics implemented because most of them especially the important / longer ones aren't on the beta. Same thing with several scenarios so that's definitely something to look forward to since we know Blizzard is generally awesome when it comes to cinematics.

[@beenbeen130]

I personally find it makes it better. I went into WoD blind and I kept getting disoriented and lost and it was very unenjoyable for me. I just prefer to know what I'm doing and to do it well

[@Snowmirage6453]

thank you for posting this follow up I've been struggling with what to do for weeks. going back and forth. hearing you walk through your reasoning really helped me ask and answer those same questions for myself. and I finally feel I've made the best decision I can! love your channel keep up the great work.

[@Shana_Fenix]

I have decided what I want to play in Legion AGES ago and I'm still watching your videos simply because I love your videos. XD

[@Sly_404]

Great video and looking back at my process ahead of Legion it's by and large very similar: - Which roles do I prefer, which ones do I try to avoid as much as possible? - Do I want to play a class that fits multiple roles and if so how many? - Which classes/specs do appeal from a gameplay, aesthetics (artifacts) and class fantasy perspective? - Which class/role are most needed in my guild? 1) Healer >>>>>>Ranged>>Melee>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tank 2) Yeah but having the changes in Legion in mind I would probably try to spec out all of the roles the class brings to the table, in order to keep myself in check and not burn out trying to rush everything in parallel I would prefer a class that fits 2 roles preferably without tanking being one of them 3) I love holy spell animations (played Holy Paladin for my most die hard time), however which dress to wear is not really the first thing I think of in the morning, really dig the class fantasy changes they made to shamans (boy how great do the elemental shaman effects sound and look) 4) As in most guilds tanks and to a lesser extend healer are highly asked for, no one needs additional melees Following this approach I was able to narrow it down to priest and shaman. From a pure healing perspective I tend to prefer priest. Holy improvements being noticeable and I am in the camp that loves the changes they did to Disc - only concern being that the Disc concept just might not be there yet to be really valid to be a valid choice in higher level Mythic dungeons and Holy being too much of an jack of all trades that gets pushed to the background in raids in comparison to the more specialized healer specs. So basically 3 weeks left for me to decide in between priest and shaman - in worst case I will toss a coin :)

[@wowantonlavey]

no one ever goes melee dps for the good of the raid.

[@ZephWraen]

It's sad, but it's true XD

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

My raid at one point was all cloth leather and mail because we had no strength users and our holy pally had IRL issues come up. We had no problem except that now we only had 2 healers instead of 3.

[@0ZIR0]

YEAH fuck survival hunters!

[@Retributzen]

Yeah. Earlier in the year when I joined my current guild there were NO melees whatsoever in there. I was the first one to join and as a warrior it was more than easy. Now, as time went on we lived through some drama, a failed guild merge and lacking players for mythic. I became an offier in that guild and together with a lot of new and awesome people I decided I'd reroll mage. One, for the good of the raid of course as our hunters just want to reroll and two of them chose melee classes. Two, I tested mages together with boomkins on the Beta after I maxed my warrior there and it was just so much fun. Every mage spec has its problems but the extreme viability of the class and their playstyle are just such a big factor for me to reroll. I'm happy I am going to reroll a mage :)

[@stickDK123]

if there's no melee, what about the melee mechanics, won't they just be targeted onto the ranged?

[@alexridley4419]

Dude, you really are one of the greatest personalities in the WoW-KZbin community. Your videos are entertaining, thought-provoking, and funny as hell. And you're always honest about playing WoW for the right reasons: having fun, fantasy immersion, playing for the challenge. I just appreciate the way you play the game so much

[@BrackishBrit]

Full respect, Preacher! I'm a mage myself and, while I'm still mourning the loss of Momentum (rip :( ) I'm still having a ball on my mage!

[@twinkacast]

I'm not sure I can main the mage like I have since TBC, the playstyles to bland as everything but frost and the numbers while incomplete may force me to play fire or arcane. Probaly gonna use my mage as my main alt but monk seems to have won

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

I'm really enjoying the new mage specs, having mained one since Cata I've always enjoyed Fire. The only thing I really REALLY dislike as a mage (especially for the more mobile Fire spec) is Rune of Power, I've hated that spell since it's implementation and it's always been frustrating how it's consistently been the best choice out of every talent in it's tier.

[@Aimtofflan]

15 min video to tell people to play what they think is the most fun. Good job!

[@PsytheZero]

I've been a mage since 2006. Welcome to the dark side.

[@twinkacast]

We have cookies

[@pepesaur3874]

+Elias And lots and lots of portals

[@KronosSupreme]

Mage is a dark path. So much control, so much dps, so much burst. It destroys yourself in the process. I went warrior after burning Crusade after being tainted by mage since Vanilla. I might go back to it again after over 8 years.

[@UrutoraTatsujin]

*Thoughtfully strokes the glorious beard on my female Belf's chin* I think he will be quite happy here friends.

[@JunglebeastYT]

Yeah same here. I've mained a Mage through the last half of Vanilla and beginning of TBC. And also the beginning of MoP. I am now torn between the Mage and Druid.

[@hifgames7076]

From someone who's been a crazy altoholic for 3 years and finally in late mist found my main I can say that this method works pretty well for finding your main. Instead of thinking "What do I like?" Think "What do I not like?" That way you start to eliminate classes and specs pretty swiftly. What finally did it for me though was realizing I needed to mix my favorite race with my favorite class. I'd always been playing a class I liked, but at the same time I didn't particularly love the race I was playing or visa versa. When I came to the realisation: Why don't you pick the class you love and mix it with the race you love, I was bound to a main. I am for one a more casual player who connects emotionally with my character/s a lot, and that emotional connection had to be just right.

[@Zer0Hour17]

Currently can't play because of whiny banned Overwatch cheaters DDoSing Blizz

[@TheHorreK2]

when did that happen? i can play fine

[@hykoru193]

+TheHorreK2 Its been resolved

[@shrubninja6444]

They "got their revenge" by causing a minor inconvenience for WoW players for about 20 minutes. Those angsty 14 year old cheaters sure showed us.

[@1stKimozabi]

You think 14 year olds know how to ddos Blizzard?

[@shrubninja6444]

+1stKimozabi Yeah? It's not hard. A bunch of them download a script that does it for them. Ddosing isn't hacking, it's running a script.

[@TheJousted]

Orc Mage master race. underrepresented combo with solid racial, great casting animations, and badass transmog (kirin tor T8 with horde T9 helm and brutal glad shoulders). PORTALS! period. Mage is the one class that i really feel like quick single target/cleave/aoe decisions have a real impact. And seriously, shimmer + displacement + ice floes/endless instant crit pyros are infinitely satisfying and moving out of fire without having to stop casting is amazing. and free food. I was almost goign hunter/dk but always come back to arcane/fire

[@brandonmiles9747]

"woah guys I need a class with 2 different specs"

[@janetrajkoski1424]

Im really surprised with this but also pleased with your choice. Having been a mage for 8 years now I look forward to see you play it. I may learn something new. Have fun man

[@SterlingArcherify]

Preach, as a long-time fan of your work, I'm warning you now: You're gonna have a bad time. You didn't pick a class that inspires you, one that grabs you by the balls when you first play it. You picked the "least bad" option. Several months in (if it takes that long), you're going to to find yourself bored with your class, and you'll start looking around the raid and wondering if you made the wrong decision. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the mage. But have the guts to go with the thing that moves you, instead of the safe choice.

[@2TheExile]

You should write a novel or something. At least that would be worth your own time and effort.

[@altoozabe1157]

+Ducky1521 Did you try rhyming in the middle? ????????

[@altoozabe1157]

+Ducky1521 Did you try rhyming in the middle? ????????

[@SterlingArcherify]

I'm well aware that this is only a video game. That said, I'm somewhat concerned that you don't realize that this is only KZbin.

[@Pedro7TP]

I'm going through the similar thought process and I'm inclined to go with the safe choice as well, so it was a nice thing to hear. :)

[@Gozzi178]

Was a bit nervous at the start when you started eliminating classes quickly and thought people would get the wrong idea. But the final minute of the vid where you explained the process, and asked people to apply their own similar thinking for picking their own, rather than telling people what to play, really came out strong. Well said Preach :-) Have fun on your main!

[@Jaywalkerz93]

Wow. Didn't expect him to choose that class to main.

[@williamramsay7448]

I love the thought process that you put into choosing your spec, and laughed out loud at the fact that you don't want to play a troll because of the melee animations, that is just so funny to me. But it also pointed out why I will be maining my Druid. I am an altoholic, so I LOVE to change around my specs/class, so having the ability to do WHATEVER role that I want to now gives me more drive to focus on my one character, and make it a beast (pun intentional) is fantastic in thought to me. I look forward to the challenge that keeping 4 specs up to date, as well as working a job, and attending my senior year of college, will grant me, because I will feel much more accomplished when we all reach that end game! Thanks Preacher!

[@sundertooth1666]

Very shocked it was not the shaman. Do you not like Orc shamans? Orc casters are pretty brutal and so are melee. I can understand not liking Tauren and troll, but goblin is fun too.

[@joeford455]

Troll racial is too good to give up in Mythic raiding

[@ScottBrown124]

He doesn't want to heal, so he took 3 great specs over 2 amazing ones

[@mrsinbad6048]

Maybe not on alliance but on horde both the orc and troll racials are not all that bad as a cd

[@vellor9145]

he said in an earlier video that he hated orc casters

[@justarandompally]

+Ryan W Doesnt matter, it's still more powerful so you have to play troll if you want rank 1

[@caitlincaitiecait]

This was really helpful for me. I'm a chronic altoholic and generally really indecisive, so I've been struggling with choosing between a few classes, but I think I'm finally ready to commit to one as my main for this expac! Thanks, Preach!

[@slavenbozic1237]

started watching, already know he gonna pick spriest edit: wait, a mage?

[@ollyrandell8393]

Welcome to the Mage club Preach! I have mained one since vanilla and still love it to this day!

[@MagicMarty90]

I'm sticking to Affliction because my gut instinct tells me it'll be good mid-expansion

[@deloreigames8641]

Calling history as my backup, it will be nerfed :D

[@TragedyLtd]

It won't be getting nerfed rofl, it's already trash outside of PvP. It'll be buffed or tuned, since it'll have to be.

[@cameronsmith8005]

Only just watched this video even though I knew you chose mage already, can I just say the music when you said you're going to main a mage made this video well worth the watch! Keep up the good work Preach!

[@ZugZug99]

Priest: Wears cloth, nope. Mage: Wears cloth, nope. Warlock: Wears cloth, nope. Druid: I wanna see my armor, not be a bear, not be a cat, and not be a healer - nope. Demon Hunter: Band Wagon? Bish please... nope. Monk: I need to see more use outta those weapons... nope. Shaman: Eh.... not a fan of a 1-handed warrior... nope. Death Knight: Lame... dead... glowy eyes.... nope. Hunter: Huntard. Nope. Rogue: Coward. Nope. Paladin: Boring. Nope. Warrior: Fury. Yes. 2 2 handed weapons. YES. COOL ARMOR. YES. YES YES YES YES YES.

[@onepiecefanboy17]

got me on hunter: huntard warrior main since cata here :) and wont change in legion

[@ragnarokda206]

haha coward... love that. For monk if you use fist weapons you use your weapons for all of your skills.

[@ZugZug99]

Yeah man but I need my swords and axes ya know, not first weaps!

[@saiosonstower9439]

+Athill Sivapatham personally. I think monk , and I think two hander. Like a bow-staff, or pole arm. I want more ninja skills with two handers. Hah

[@ZugZug99]

Lol, I don't know much about raiding dude, I'm like the second to last person you would want to ask if you want to go hardcore raiding. If you just want like normal and heroic and stuff, pretty much any server is fine - just make sure you join a dedicated guild. From what I hear, for alliance Sargeras and Stormrage are supposed to be pretty good.

[@kaaelo0]

You sir deserve a medal for sure! Thank you for this easy guide, actually by watching it I made my mind almost the same way you did, and i was struggling to find the reason to get back to my beloved mage. 3 cheers to mage, long live! :)

[@Lunicia14]

Think i'm going to go with Feral just because it's a Kitty and i have always been playing that since forever ! Fluffy things!

[@Leclwrd]

If only I could decide on a class as easily as you :(

[@TheFromaster24]

Well, that is a reason I suppose.

[@Neglesh]

Feral still sucks AoE. And have fun being forced to play the boring savage roar :^). I'm changing to Unholy DK from a feral druid since 08....

[@asdfz0mg]

Very nice elimination process Preach. I'm sure we're all grateful for you sharing this with us. I haven't played WoW since wotlk but still enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work!

[@ShoLombard27]

Preach looks like he lost weight.

[@mmokej]

Its the cancer from mmo champ im afraid D:

[@fish3977]

Good for him! *shoves a handful of chips to my mouth*

[@KougaJ7]

#JohnDoeTriggered

[@onixmortes]

Gratz! Welcome to the club. I've been a mage since I started in BC. Nothing has felt as much fun to me. Hope you enjoy it Preach.

[@LeonusStawalker]

Honestly I'm pretty close to dropping Shaman as my main for the same reason as you. I want to make my main look cool, and every shaman-available Horde race has a major problem. Male Orcs have such a hunch that you can't see their chestpiece, Trolls lose their boots and the male's tusks clip through everything, Tauren's horns clip through everything, their heads are gigantic, and their backs clip through everything, Goblins are so outdated they just look terrible and they're too short, Male pandas are too fat, and Fem pandas have weird casting animations and their heads look weird in helmets, and both lose their boots. The only Shaman class I don't have a problem with the appearance of is Female Orcs, but their voices are super annoying so I couldn't stand a single encounter as one. If I end up enjoying my Demon Hunter once I finally get a chance to play one I'm probably going to go with it.

[@SK4R1337]

I see your point, but what is your problem with the voice? you mean the "i can't do that yet"? you can turn that off?!

[@LeonusStawalker]

If it was just the error messages I would be fine with it, it's the yelling and grunting during combat that bugs me so much with female orcs. I can't really describe why it's bad but it is really bad, I could never stand listening to it for an extended period of time every time I go melee.

[@jacobbeard8428]

Female Orc shaman for life. Considering switching to male Tauren or male Orc though. Heck maybe even a male dwarf or gon

[@SK4R1337]

I can understand that. I don't really hear it anymore but if I would it would turn me off that race too

[@jeremylawrence6041]

I loved my Tauren and now Goblin shaman. I had no problems with them except for the new Tauren run animation which I am now slowly getting use to.

[@rtello511]

Awesome vid Preach, great info and great analysis of the classes. Makes deciding what class to play a little easier now.

[@MEDOBOLT]

thats the problem of having all classes maxed out cant seem to chose anything

[@MEDOBOLT]

i have downd my options to rogue DH and dk

[@itakenaps]

i was a hunter for 5 years, before that a mage. i stuck with my hunter through all of it cuz i loved the class and with what they changed i didn't like it anymore. i have every class maxed so i had every option to choose from. i am also in the beta for a few months now so i got to test everything to make my decision based around the artifact. the artifact really makes the gameplay for the new classes. after deciding between 3 classes, dh, boomkin, and holy pally. i ended up choosing holy pally. its really hard for people to pick a class right now because they dont have the artifact weapon which really makes a huge difference. if my opinion will help your decision, go with death knight. they are in a very good place

[@zeakonz70]

i cant recomend a dk enough bro... all speccs are a true joy! =)

[@MEDOBOLT]

looks like ill be main dk and rogue / dh alt

[@kds6992]

i like unholy most, frost and blood arent that great imo, id rather play my raid alt(rogue) then frost or blood.

[@blarkgirl]

I am very happy you talked about choosing which class/spec works for you on your own level. The fact you didn't want to play a class cause of animations of a race seems silly....but you will be playing it for many hours each week. Go with something that will make you smile! I have chosen to pick BM hunter because of how easy it is. I have a few chronic issues that requires me to take medication that really slows down my timing. My guild raids mythic and having a challenging spec along with mythic would mean I may not be able to play. But with a simple class like a hunter, I can focus just on the bosses without worrying about missing something important. I am very excited about Legion, and love your videos!

[@JeffreyButcher]

I just wanted to see if preach would come to the correct way of thinking. Mage is Love Mage is Life

[@SadBirbHours]

+nipa 101 Didn't Legion get rid of a lot of the self sustain from DPS classes

[@JeffreyButcher]

Fire does in fact have cauterizing blink in their artifact tree. Heal for X% of health when you use blink

[@Perid0tStar]

+nipa 101 If you roll a Dranei mage tho, you get their self-heal racial :D thats what I did and its super nice--plus transmogs look great on them.

[@Rybat117]

Grats! Just got my mage to 100 and really looking forward to playing him in Legion (though I'm maining Fury). I've been going back and forth between boosting a priest or a warlock, and these videos have really helped out with that decision, even though they'd only be alts. Thanks a ton!

[@austinmagnuson6299]

But you said you wanted to have 2 roles???

[@lps89br]

His requirements were "Max 2 roles" BUT, he said that he didn't like the dual roles classes as much as the mage in general.

[@austinmagnuson6299]

Luis Paulo da Silva undeestandable

[@austinmagnuson6299]

+Luis Paulo da Silva understandable

[@ermahgerdjenkins6145]

He is doing that. Great dps class & awesome dps class.

[@bennyskillz7864]

OK so I have lost count of how many youtube videos I have watched over the last few months trying to help me decide my main and YOU SIR have just saved me another 4 weeks of hell!!! Thanks so much for this video! and RIP my faithful BM HUNTER because i'm bored already!

[@Wee_Man435]

I'll bet he'll swap again around 2nd tier though ;P

[@Easytorememberanyday]

After listening to you describe what you wanted from your class, I wholeheartedly agree that Mage would be the right pick for you. Really happy to hear you managed to make a solid decision. Best of luck in Legion!

[@Spinexus]

[@BiIboSwaggins]

Bless, I can't play a character for longer than one expansion, I literally change every expansion haha.

[@Sodacacik]

i change randomly.

[@xoroy8694]

Same

[@Speedracer6]

Preach it

[@Endtimescoming]

Only been a shaman since Cata but I have no intention of changing mains either, before Shaman for BC and LK I was a druid which I really enjoyed then at the end of LK they took Tree form away which angered me thus the change to Shaman havn't looked back since. Main spec for me is restoration as it was for the druid. Elemental is okay if its needed for some reason. Don't really care that much for melee.

[@mnoggle81]

Thanks Preach! 21 hours into launch, you finally helped me pick a main, which has been an extremely difficult decision. Priest it is!

[@seanwiggins4116]

Not sure if I'm the only one but Monk is the way to go!

[@zngee]

I have chosen monk as main. I also have a pally and shaman which I played during WoD. Ty Preach and I hope everyone enjoys Legion!

[@twinkacast]

After reluctantly giving up on maining my mage due to playstyle reasons il be maining link in legion baring major changes to my plans or guild. The Wind Waker feel engaging and while I kiss old fistweaving i love healing with the reworked spec in a more traditional light.

[@Speeds_Gaming_Corner]

I almost chose monk because it was my main in WoD and I was gonna try ww instead of just brewmaster, but I chose mage because I want to play 3 different dps specs

[@Geroaergaroe]

I am actually leaving the Monk for Priest. Playing Monk would mean I would have to switch to tank sometime (I was MT1 our 9/12 Mythic clean), and I just can't stand what they did to the brewmaster or the tanking in general. I will still up my monk as a crafting alt, and for the sheer background of the class, however I can't wait to surrender to madness.

[@seanwiggins4116]

Haha I can't disagree with that at all. I myself am going WW Monk

[@MrCircusanimal]

Mages have always been my first love in WoW and am glad to see all three specs viable. I believe you made a wise choice and your videos have helped me choose my class for Legion. Best of luck to you Preach and hope to see your name at rank 1.

[@KronosSupreme]

Requirements 2 roles.... (mage not on the first chop block) HEY, this is kind of biased! YOU HAD ONE JOB!

[@HowToSayILoveYoux3]

He said MAXIMUM 2 roles, meaning either 1 or 2 roles :)

[@JeffreyButcher]

He said "Maximum of 2 roles"

[@KronosSupreme]

Read and listen to what he said again. He meant 2 roles as in tank,dps, healing. I checked back again to make sure of myself. He goofed it. It is the same reason he cut the Rogue also.

[@elrinconetereo1190]

Says "Max two roles" so having one is still within the criteria

[@KronosSupreme]

Here 2:06 I made it easy for you two. HE CLEARLY said tank,dps,heals

[@Vaio11alex]

I've really been struggling with this process for a long time Preach, but here it goes. Purpose: I want to raid heroic. I could raid mythic, I don't think my work schedule will allow it sadly. Role: I want to deal some damage. I've been that guy that switches to heals for too damn long. I want to pew pew all expansion long. So I have mage, warlock, hunter left. You said silly things are ok, so here it is. Rune of Power is ruining mage for me. I like the new rune of power, but there's just something about it where i subconsciously feel like I'm not doing anything unless I'm in a rune of power window, and the numbers back that up quite well right now. Warlock is so much fun. Its got three specs that are fun and packed full of great talents and choices. But demonology feels like the power isn't in your hands, its in your pets. Destruction is fun but I love change and it didn't see much of it. Affliction is cool, and it has been tempting me to main since I tested it on the beta. It got old really fast though. It is in dire need of more animations for me. So I land on hunter. A lot of people hate the hunter, which made me not want to pick it. But its my damn spec, and my money just like you said. Marksmanship hunter is a real joy for me. Running around firing off the big dick piercing shots, or seeing marked shot fire off on a huge lot of enemies I just marked is so much fun. TLDR: Hunter. Thanks Preach =)

[@iriso2882]

Who mains all 4 druid spec lol

[@ThomasBachler01]

i know right? You'r amazing if you main 3 specs, I have never even heard or seen anyone playing all 4 specs

[@shaquillefrancisco516]

I'm trying to, got the hang of resto, guardian and balance, but Jesus... Feral makes me remember I own a shotgun :^)

[@dammpe2]

well druid had 3 specs but 4 roles in wotlk :p

[@ermahgerdjenkins6145]

Preach with his OCD. Never would have guessed he was an OCD'er.

[@JadedOriana]

Ive main all 4 druids spec on 2 druids with a mm hunter and aflic lock and blood dk.

[@morbidgull8922]

Hey preach if you see this I would like to say you are awesome and watching your videos has really improved my mood in life in general thank you!!

[@CherryPKz]

Supporter of the arcane dream?

[@UrutoraTatsujin]

YES Mage main ftw! I honestly have no idea why this brings me so much joy lol

[@Jkrue73]

What is the problem with rogue? I'm playing my sub rogue and it's ok, no need to shit on it.

[@sandbag44]

Sub Rogues are fun as hell. Some people just have shit taste.

[@Zman0888]

No one is "shitting" on the rogue, its his opinion, and he's entitles too it. His main in WoD was a rogue, and he hates what they've done too it, so therefore, why would he play something for a whole expansion, if he's going to dread logging in? You enjoy playing the class, Perfect....own it. Make people know the fury that is the rogue. But like he said, he wants a challenge, and its not there for him with that class. If you made videos for people to enjoy, Im guessing you'd have chosen the rogue as your Top pick for Legion, but he is insanely fair in his discussions, and doesn't want to lie to people, to appease his audience. He wants to put out pure, honest content, for people to make up their own minds. He's not trying to choose a class for you, he's doing it sole cause its his $15 a month, and wants that money to be spent on what he enjoys. Don't nock his decision. He is a very respectable player, that isn't going to BS anyone, cause its what "they want to hear", which gives his content more credibility, if you ask me. So just take that into consideration

[@Jkrue73]

Z Spot I know it's his opinion, but he only really explained why he disliked outlaw, and just called sub shadow dance changes bad, but did not say what about it was so bad.

[@sandbag44]

Let's all take a moment to acknowledge the ass in the comments. LESS GO BABY

[@kix783]

I'm fairly certain he did mention his concerns with the play of it when he made the first look videos for legion alpha. Basically in losing the original shadow dance mechanic sub has lost its 'moment of glory' and was instead replaced with a very repetitive rotation without any significant breaks and no options to increase complexity or enough options to alter the general play through the talents. He also felt Sub, as well as all rogue specs, had a very lacking talent system as they do very little to improve upon the skeleton base of the rogues play Personally I would have to say rogues are a far cry from a lot of other classes in legion, it's clear far less work was put into them than other classes. This doesn't mean anyone is 'shitting on' them, it just means that if i compare it against other things, it's come up lacking.

[@ScriptsNZ]

Welcome to team Mage! When I finally went Mage in MoP I didn't look back. I get so much enjoyment from Frost. I haven't played much in WoD but having beta tested the Mage and DH I thoroughly enjoyed all three specs for the Mage with the changes, and I've never been interested in healing or tanking all that much. Perfect choice for myself. Grats!

[@twinkacast]

Does the mage get better at 110? On prematch it's kind of dreadful as everything but frost.

[@SadBirbHours]

+Elias Fire does far more damage than frost.

[@twinkacast]

+Christopher Kendall Not damage, playstyle.

[@ScriptsNZ]

Damage balancing is going to be a constantly changing thing at launch, so I wouldn't stress too much about damage numbers right now.

[@twinkacast]

+Arcinate Gaming Ya but I'm in a raiding guild, I have to play the best spec damage wise at any given time

[@alexduncan413]

Requires two roles *Mains mage*

[@Hatsjekideee]

*Maximum* 2 roles, not minimum

[@KougaJ7]

Basicly he said that by choosing 1 role he kinda choose the easy way for himself, because it will only take one set of gear to manage. Which is fair, with his kids and all. (Lol)

[@thickymcghee7681]

Recommends not to play Druid if you require 2 roles, because it has 4....picks 1 role Mage. What?

[@TonyBone21]

This reminds me of some of the best professional advice I've ever gotten. If you're not sure what you want to do, at least know what you DON'T want to do. That can certainly help narrow the field. Seems Preach took the same approach here. A sound example of a key decision for the multi-toon WoW population.

[@Jandiss]

guess i'll be maining Mistweaver and Guardian druid :)

[@firedrake110]

That's not how having a main works...

[@Jandiss]

for me it does 1 alliance 1 horde :)

[@firedrake110]

Alliance sympathizer! Burn it!

[@kristophermcgregor5245]

tanking in legion...man i feel for you.

[@Woosle]

That's not maining. ;o You can only have /one/ main where you dedicate your time to so you can get them as strong as possible.

[@b0lkan]

Welcome to the Mage club! Been playing a mage since 2006, I think you're going to have a lot of fun.

[@Trollhammer0210]

Seems like it's time to remove race restrictions for the old races.. Someone not wanting to play a class because race choice is problematic I think.. The races have been around now to have cross race classes.. I don't see it a stretch for a Blood elf orphan raised by Orcs as a Shaman etc.

[@themetalone7739]

I've been leaning toward Frost/Unholy DK, but I also have a resto druid and assassination rogue I'm pretty fond of, with this latest patch. Even after the suggestions in this video, I'm having a hard time deciding. Frost and Unholy (mainly frost) are the most fun for me... but- I think a lot of people will be going DK, which means it will likely be easier to get a raid slot if I'm a rogue or cat DPS. People like to diversify, even if it means bringing in something like a rogue which basically brings nothing (in terms of utility) to the raid. I like healing, and resto has been my favorite for a while now. However, like the DK, I think it will be a very popular choice. The frost DK artifact interests me the most out of every other in the expansion, speaking strictly in terms of lore. Assassin rogue (latest patch version) just makes sense to me, and I picked it up perfectly right out of the gate. Not sure why I'm sharing. I guess just to point out some different ways of looking at things. Still no fucking clue what I'm going to main. I've never had this many max level alts before (one for every class but monk, hunter, and shaman), and never had to face this question before.

[@vladimirpeace-kun2084]

I can't understand why 'max 2 specs' requirement. Who the fukc makes you manage all four specs as druid?? Why don't u discard mage at once, doen't it have only dps specs? Didn't u say u have to have at least 2 roles? Your points are so counter-logical. You claim that in cutting edge pve you have to choose the best spec and look only at stats because those 3% will matter, but at the same time you discard shaman because you don't like racial combos.

[@Preachgaming]

I made myself do it, that was what I was explaining

[@sauldownbadman876]

+Preach Gaming I don't understand your "compulsions" and a druid I think would be the perfect class for someone who doesn't know what they want to play as. No one forces you to keep all specs up to date, if that is your choice to so because that's the way you play that's up to you but for anyone else I would say otherwise.

[@jesperjohansson9857]

Preach is the king of counter-logic. Look at ranged dps comparison. BM hunter is lowest cause its so "dumb" according to preach, then elemental is nr 1? Oo elemental is stupidly easy just as much as BM is.

[@yung_cheezy]

The point was actually "max 2 roles," not at least. He won't main something like druid or monk because he doesn't want to manage all three roles. And lol at the guy saying elemental is as simple as the new BM. They are objectively different in complexity - and that's okay. Blizzard might want less experienced players to have an easy spec. No shame in playing it bud :)

[@FlavourfulJakk]

The weird thing about individuals is that they tend to like and dislike different things. What Preach considers a deal breaker might be something you don't. That's fine. I like Havoc's variety of builds, he dislikes it. That's fine.

[@TheJackg1]

Preach, You and I have the same taste in classes. I was a rogue for WoD and wanted to play ranged in Legion. After debating between hunter, warlock and Mage for about 3 months, and finally getting the feel for the three from PTR/ the updates finally going live, I decided to play Mage. Will look forward to you making Mage guides for us :)

[@jasonbennett1667]

lol what a scrub

[@SalvLav]

wut

[@slimgpd]

That's not a response idiot

[@tomentor2854]

Wow! That decision shocked me, seeing you as that class feels weird, but at the same time I like it :) A new challenge and something different, it'll be interesting to see how things go for you during Legion with this class :P

[@ItsTheChloeUwU]

Way to go Preach :D Glad you choose the Mage as your Main for Legion as well. After playing almost all the time a Melee or Tank in WoW History I´ve changed to a Mage while WoD and I couldn´t be happier with a Class ever again. It was a though challenge going into Range DPS but it feels after adapting all those changes I couldn´t go into Mythic raiding with any other classes again , it just feels right. So much ways to handle certain mechanics , so much survivebility , so many "special snowflake" moments and a shitton of DPS. And finally a reliable Fire Single Target specc without having insane Crit value (Started playing fire again in Mythic after hitting around 45 % Crit from Offgear). And tbh I´m glad that there´s no PoF crazyness going on as well at this point anymore , even it was fun starting Archi Mythic with like 700k dps Burst it´s not how this Specc should work. It´s funny though that Arcane feels like a Melee specc atm because of the insane Arcane Explosion value in AoE fights x´D I dislike frost a bit after testing all 3 speccs in Beta for a good amount of time but 2 value Speccs are perfectly fine to cope with almost all Mythic Mechanics while Raiding.

[@stuart2515]

I love this series. Following rules. What kind of gamer am I? Causal PVP, normal/heroic raids, and lots of solo and professions. What do I find fun? I love range dps/melee dps, and healing. I hate tanking though. What specs did I find fun preppatch melee and range? Well Shadow, Enhancement, Outlaw, both DK specs. Which healing did I like? Holy, Restro shaman, restro druid. Given guild considerations what should it be well there were a lot of shamans in my main guild so I choose a Priest. Shadow was fun, didn't mind Disc for 3rd spec, and loved holy. Then like a lot of things guild died. Now scrambling, but found another guild that fit me. Now Shaman is open as not as many. Never really did much melee. New challenge plus trying a different heal! So Enhancement shaman for leveling, with restro for alt. Only 2 classes I liked all 3 specs were shaman, and priest. I feel like I made the right choice. Plan on raising level on all 3. Good times. How did you guys come to your decisions?

[@manipularsilver]

Great video (as always)! I'm super looking forward to your healer comparison video to hopefully help me put the nail in the coffin as to what I'm going to play in Legion. It might just have to be Shaman for the first time ever; it's between that and Paladin (though I have all healers maxed right now they don't really interest me as healers or any other spec they can go).

[@ekmicecream]

I picked wind walker monk. My thought process was a bit different however. My guild currently has a DK, Pally with core tank spots as well as a Demon Hunter and Druid who are second spec tanking through Mythic and they would not choose me to go brew master as i have never tanked. So, I have no problem pretending the tanking specs do not exist. Wind walker having similar feel as you have with shadow priest (it being the most fun spec in the game) makes it very easy to make my choice. Mist weaver is my favorite healing spec and usually healers are dropped thru the expansion so having to switch would be no issue as well as most likely not necessary. This video further strengthened my decision on WW Monk, thanks Preach.

[@akoreanname832]

That was my plan for a main as well, I found all the specs enjoyable and very relevant with many different talent setups to keep me occupied

[@arainbowinthedark2]

Yay! Finally a youtuber I can watch for all things mage, at least for this expac. Thx Preacher keep up the good Vida.

[@Neluzzyt]

Great vids again on choosing a class. Thnx Preach, really enjoyed them. Good luck with that mage!

[@Deadeye2907]

Don't play WoW, but I've been watching your videos on classes for funzies and I've gotta say, I was surprised when you said "I feel compelled to play every spec" While I don't feel the exact say way, I can totally understand where you are coming from--I do the same thing. Even just a tiny thing in the back of my head just nagging me over and over again that I should probably do X or Y with my character/class/job just ruins the enjoyment for me. Feel a bit better knowing I'm not alone xD Nice video btw, I really like your thought process behind picking a class and I'm going to use it for the MMOs I play. Have a good one! o7

[@shamsmaster]

Preach: It must have 2 roles. Preach: I'm playing a mage.

[@CarrowMind]

Since I've never every played a Priest past level 30 I'm super exited to try Priest this expansion, Shadow looks incredibly fun and so does Discipline, I love the new "damage to heal" mechanic! Also, since I've never raid healed that will be a new experience for me too. :D

[@Xynth22]

My choices were between Death Knight and Demon Hunter since both have good dps with rotations that won't distract me from boss fights that have a bit of self healing to make up for minor mistakes that cause me to take too much damage, but after deciding to level up a Demon Hunter on the beta instead of waiting to avoid spoilers, I decided on the Demon Hunter. Its so much more fun to play, and being able to double jump, run faster with mastery, and glide is just too good to pass up since it makes navigating the maps so much better. It also kind of rewards my twitchy play style, which is a huge bonus as well. Normally while doing quests I am jumping and running around the mobs like an idiot just out of boredom, but now doing that is something you need to do a bit of so you can collect soul fragments for self healing and more fury.

[@kalebblake4699]

Funnily enough, it had come down to Mage or Priest (Shadow) as my main in Legion aswell. I couldn't decide, both classes are super fun. It's nice to have another perspective on this and helping me decide but when it comes down to it.. FIRE MAGE, YESSSS. I hoped & tried with every new raid tier throughout WoD to make fire mage work, but damn frost and arcane always trumped, now I can just go fire mage and play it through Legion. Thanks for the video Preach, nice work! (and good choice of main).

[@Jjk82486]

Preacher, your compulsions and mine are eerily similar - must be a vanilla raider problem. REALLY looking forward to your healer vid, I'm strongly considering swapping from Healadin (which I've mained for two xpacs) and going to a Priest. (I do enjoy healing.) Good vid brother! Keep up the good work. :)

[@Siggy152]

Welcome to the mage community! The first ever WoW character i created August 2008 was a mage and it has always been my main.

[@LordKinjin]

He said, follow along and use YOUR reasons for YOU, but you can use a process like this. Here are my reasons. Somehow an entire gaggle of people don't understand that. Great vid Preach!

[@Xierdan]

I joined in TBC and here has been my main pathway: TBC: Shaman WOTLK: Shaman CATA: Paladin MoP: Paladin WoD: Warrior Legion: Rogue Outlaw in particular and going all passive talent points makes it so RNG-based and that is super fun and exciting for me.

[@spicyram3n363]

I know warriors have been changed, more specifically Prot... But I love it. I love how strong they feel, how meaty they feel and how much of an unbreakable wall of hatred. I know that Ignore Pain is dumb mechanically, but I actually like the class fantasy. I think that long time warriors might be upset with the changes, but I actually really like it. The talents add a few interesting choices and I like them. It's sad you're moving away from Warrior (and that you have been for a while), but I understand your decision. Keep making quality content!

[@chiralchimera]

I picked mage a long time ago after sitting on the fence about the fury war thanks to preach. I'm both surprised and glad I ended up with the right class for me.

[@brennanmoore720]

my friend turned me onto preach many months ago because i was very indecicive on what i wanted to do in WoW anymore. and he had said to whatch his videos and he will help you choose/explain what do you really want from your WoW experience. i came to the same kind of thought process when choosing the Demon Hunter for my main. im a big lore nerd and ever sinced i was introduced to Illidan i have always wanted to be one. As i no longer have crazy amount of time to dedicate to learning the niches of a class. figure i can start with a brand new one, which is pretty simple. have fun playing it. and learn as i go. plus...demons. huge effing demon.

[@appetizingly]

Good choice, man. I was actually torn between Warrior, Mage and Druid. Ultimately decided on playing Warrior because right now I enjoy two of its specs in PvE and I could potentially enjoy Arms with a few tweaks and both Arms and Fury are fun in instanced PvP, although Fury is a bit on the weaker side there. Considering that I dislike Frost, as well as Feral and Resto (or rather healing in general), the Warrior had the slight edge simply because I can see myself enjoying Arms with a few particular changes.

[@vilestine]

Yaaay! I had picked mage before even seeing this video :) I am really happy about your pick because I can expect a little extra mage content on my youtube during legion =)

[@djounthefirst7374]

What if I want a class where you should consistently change between specs to play at a high level ?? (that was my favorite bit w my rogue main in wod where sub was single target and combat sustained aoe and you constantly had to switch between them to fit the fight)->Is there a class like that in legion?

[@texasbelliott]

This a great video with loads of useful information. Helped me a lot. Thank you!

[@Bany1911]

Damn Preach hated the Hunter class so much he didnt even consider it enough to tell it to fuck off.

[@TheJaultman]

My pick is a Druid. I love feral and their bleeds which I'll be using for pvp, and I enjoy healing in pve and MAYBE trying out tanking for those instant queues. Plus the new cat form skins look incredible! Great videos btw, really helped me make my choice

[@semipork]

I was convinced you'd be S priest and not for a second thought youd be a mage haha. You got me Preach