Lesbian Interrogates Ex-Boyfriend on Mens Behavior (pt.2 lol)

Hey everyone, hope you're excited for part 2 of last weeks video. This week we ended up getting a little deeper into topics and I think we were able to have some pretty solid discussion. Have a lovely week!
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[@MsAaannaaa]

I love how he analyzed the whole when men think they deserve the world topic and I think it's spot-on. I sometimes think that this is the root of the entitlement many men show in the way they interact with women.

[@vitortrevisan336]

True! That goes both ways though, actually it isn't gender specific

[@hydreigon2709]

entitlement is foreign to girls right ;)

[@Pittsburghfan247]

I think it was true for the most part, but the point Mak made about Adam Sandler made no sense. Why does his appearance matter in the context? Are people not allowed to find someone attractive that isn’t conventionally attractive? “Hot” women dating “ugly” men and vice versa isn’t gender exclusive and has nothing to do with men thinking they deserve the world

[@King-zx4qr]

Yeah but I feel like women can have the same entitlement.

[@MsAaannaaa]

@@vitortrevisan336 the type & level of entitlement and how it shows in people's behavior is very gender specific though. men are more likely to turn violent than women. being humiliated sucks big time, I hear you, yet being violated or killed is not the same, thank you very much.

[@ThunderTaco206]

He nailed that first question. The only difficult emotion I was able to express without fear of ridicule when I was growing up was anger. As a result I have spent most of my life expressing most of my emotions as anger. Fear, sadness, depression, grief, anxiety; all of it was expressed as anger. I'm 40 now and have only really started learning how to be genuinely vulnerable in thr last five years or so. It has affected my wife, my kids, and my friendships. Teach boys it's okay to cry; that it's okay to say that you're afraid, or depressed, or worried.

[@golub2585]

Capping, men don't cry.

[@ThunderTaco206]

@@golub2585 The ones with zero life experience? Yeah, you're right.

[@elenahofer9413]

There's actually a documentary about that with kids. They made a study/project on how a "not gender-free language" affects them. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYqXnZqBo9KKic0

[@timetocanceladhdanddosomet7947]

@@golub2585 damn.. you really thought you did something...

[@timetocanceladhdanddosomet7947]

@@ThunderTaco206 ignore this person,there are always 14 year old trolls in the comments

[@mistabook]

When I was a little boy, my mom once said something about how scary it can be walking around alone as a woman, and I asked why. She explained that when you're a woman and you're small, any man coming toward you is likely a lot bigger and stronger than you, and you have no way of knowing if he's nice, or he might hurt you. It made sense then, and it makes sense now.

[@emmabellon13]

U know what. I don’t necessarily agree with everything he said. But I think it’s really interesting to hear it from a guys perspective (especially since I’m not close with many) and he has the right idea abt most things. His analogy for “not all men” was so well put, I’ll use it from now on!

[@itsgivingbougie]

I think Jack (and men) focus a little too much on the external… “skill set, physique, worldliness…” what about becoming more empathetic, emotionally open, less toxic, getting to know women as human beings… I’m not saying he doesn’t, but it wasn’t something he brought up.

[@ethandortch8593]

Men are brainwashed to think this way. Men are instilled growing up, or atleast we used to because its starting to change today, but men are taught growing up that what we can do and what we look like defines us. We aren't taught to experience the world on an emotional scale. Women are raised to think emotionally and define people from the inside out. Psychology can also back this up too, however, how men think more physically and women think more emotionally. We're kind of like the yin n yang. When it comes to toxicity, both sexes are guilty of this, we just dont notice it based on our biology and how we're raised and brainwashed. We are taught social norms so they can be exactly that, norms.

[@eternal7912]

I suppose that's why I often find it easier to talk to women then to other men, because my definition of masculinity is different than most people's. I see myself as masculine not because I'm a big strong guy who's good with the ladies (I"m not), but because I know my strengths and weaknesses and I'm not afraid to be vulnerable and empathetic, and get to know people for who they are regardless of gender or sexuality or how attracted I am to them. A lot of men default to being rough and intimidating. I default to gentleness, but can be rough when I really need to be.

[@ethandortch8593]

@@eternal7912 And this is exactly what it should be, I have this same exact thought process, guess we were just raised right!

[@Newspeak.]

I’m in my 40s so from my perspective things have certainly got better then they were in the past (let’s hope we keep progressing holy shit) but by and large society still doesn’t tolerate men showing emotion outside of the boundaries we are socialized into. My emotions are closer to the surface than a lot of other folks and it’s harder for me to reign it in but I’ve lost jobs for breaking down at work before. Some of this absolutely is reenforced by the reality of living in this society and it still can have very real consequences. I personally have chosen to be alot more open about my issues with severe depression and anxiety because I’ve just reached the end of my ability to hide it and push it away but with that too I face consequences for even talking about it. There’s alot more work to do on this front unfortunately.

[@Onnarashi]

Many women (and society at large) expect us men to be skillfull, strong, competent. When we're not, we get shamed (called deadbeats, weak, unmanly etc.), so we adapt. I've seen plenty of women (including female feminists) shaming men for crying, being emotional, opening up about their feelings etc. I've seen feminist women with "Male Tears" t-shirts, mocking men for crying or expressing emotional pain. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Less toxic? The assumption that men are toxic is in itself toxic. As a man, I feel at times that some women see us as incomplete humans, caricatures and unemotional robots. As men, we're told we need to be fixed because we're "obviously" broken, by women who (naturally) know better than us and are better than us. This patronising attitude rubs men the wrong way, and when we express that it just reinforces the belief that men are toxic.

[@kyra3483]

I really appreciate seeing the goofy side of Jack and the wisdom side of him. Its great to understand his perspective on these topics also you two are so funny love that 🥹

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Wisdom where??

[@neliavisagie]

Wow, Jack's perspective was really insightful. Thank you so much for doing this and sharing it with us. 🌻

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@Steertanzer]

I would've wanted a follow-up question... "WHY do you not try to think deeper about your privileges and examine them?" It's work that we all should do, and more important to do it the more privileges we have...

[@bestleader8294]

Why would you?

[@ThatGirlShelbyy]

@@bestleader8294 because intelligent people are typically self aware, and continually trying to improve themselves 🤷🏼‍♀️☺️

[@bestleader8294]

@@ThatGirlShelbyy i know plenty of dumb but self-aware people.... i think people who think of these stuff often have got less to think about...

[@Steertanzer]

@@bestleader8294 In order to not make life harder for people, and to avoid harming people through being oblivious about your own behaviors.

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@lizwrites2463]

I really don’t like the persistent idea he’s pushing that we can’t change things. “We can’t change expectations” “at that point it’s to late” “no one’s going to shift their mindset” Not tryna cancel him, just a strong believer that everyone has the power to change themselves and their surroundings

[@alyaperez1440]

I believe in that too, but from what I've seen people usually only change when it's too late.

[@isobeldann7091]

Jack’s answer to the question about privilege highlights the problem - bc the fact that hr doesn’t think about it or just thinks that everyone can just do the best with the hand you are dealt - is something only someone from a position of privilege can do - and if u want to improve the world u do need to acknowledge ur privilege and how that compares to others so it can be addressed and changed

[@pbthefirst630]

Exactly. When he said he does his best with “the hand he’s been dealt” I rolled my eyes unintentionally. He’s literally been dealt the winning hand…

[@shai10101]

It also shocked me that he found nothing wrong with saying that he doesn’t examine his privilege. He was basically telling on himself yet he almost seemed proud of making that statement. Just fully lacking self awareness or even awareness of WHAT privilege is. 🤯

[@pbthefirst630]

@@shai10101 yes I was very confused what point he was trying to make by his statement that he actively chooses to live in ignorance. I was trying to understand where his pride was stemming from

[@pbthefirst630]

@@shai10101 it’s mind blowing he doesn’t seem to understand the concept of privilege in this day and age when so much info is out there and being shared by others. Does he live under a rock?

[@shai10101]

@@pbthefirst630 I kind of don’t think he understands what male privilege or white privilege or able bodied privilege IS. You can tell by how he’s answering the question. I think that may be part of why he was proud that he “doesn’t examine it”. But yeah it’s hard to get past the blatant admission that he chooses to be ignorant about his privilege.

[@bingbongalong]

16:34 So true. As a female, I'm terrified of that disgusting herd mentality most men seem to have around objectifying or even assaulting women. Like Mak said, there's often no accountability and it takes a lot of courage to be the one guy who stands against it. But my partner makes a point of being that one guy wherever he goes, and he's changed whole institutional cultures with his matter-of-fact, no-BS approach. As soon as one guy says something, others join and turn the tides. So I encourage other men to stand up and fight back. We need you.

[@Onnarashi]

What herd mentality? Most men know it's not OK to harass or assault women. Where do you live where that's even seen as remotely OK? Objectifying, OK. That can be subjective though. A man saying a woman is pretty is "objectifying" her. Are you saying a man thinking a woman is attractive is always wrong, no matter how he goes about expressing that? Is a man never allowed to be atteacted to a woman, even in a respectful manner? What about the opposite? I've seen girls and women salivating over shirtless men, treating them like pieces of meat, but nobody talks about that. I wonder why? I've seen men literally be reduced to a body part (penis) when talking about them, because a man "needs to satisfy her". Is that OK?

[@Theomite]

You need to understand that there's a risk of physical danger in the process. A member of the herd who goes against the moment can be shit on at best and nearly beaten to death at worst. Intergroup tension among males triggers fight/flight responses and when the dominant voice in the group is aggressive, flight doesn't come up. That's why a lot of guys don't stand up to bullies or even stand up for themselves. Because they know from early experiences (at least my generation did) that if you DO tell a bully to back off, his inevitable response will be "Make me." And if that isn't bad enough, if you do beat a bully at his own game, he will likely return and escalate the situation to win his power back. As much as a threat as we are to women, we're also a threat to each other.

[@bingbongalong]

@@Theomite I do understand that, and obviously the context of each situation determines how you should approach the subject in order to be most effective while also protecting yourself. But my partner has pointed out sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. countless times at his unit with a bunch of macho marines and they've never attacked him or even got close. From what I hear, the key is to be very confident and matter-of-fact about it. He doesn't criticize anyone's personal character, he just explains simply and logically why their behavior is wrong. Most men aren't used to another person bluntly pointing out that they're being hurtful, and it seems to humble them pretty quick. When they can't argue against the logic or find a hint of self-doubt or emotionality in the other person to attack, they usually just admit they were wrong and move on.

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

I've never gone along with any kind of herd mentality. I've never really gotten along with most men, either. I've had a lot more female friends than male friends and a hell of a lot more female friends than romantic or sexual partners, the last is the part that sucks.

[@Biggie_Burningtrash]

You are talking about men as actual animals... And you don't even know what it's like, there might be some rotten apples. But my lord, it's not like we go all caveman apeshit the second we see a picture of a girl... :/ Generalizing half the world out here smh, no normal man is gloating about abusing someone... You are making the rotten apples look like the majority, that's just plain wrong.

[@doodlepotahto]

I had to stop watching at the point of him comparing men's worth and being unable to get a good partner due to being overweight and needing to do some "push ups" to be worthy. No matter what your body weight is for men, women and everyone else, you are valuable as a person. Your body type does not determine your worth. And to think that because you have muscles that you deserve the "prettiest" girl in the bar is just another example of the toxisity he's getting asked about.

[@АлексейЗаботкин-т1х]

Say it to your heart

[@spootot]

I'm just gonna put it out there that it sometimes sounds like Jack speaks about weight as if it's tied to a person's worth. I get why that might be the way he thinks, based on him being raised and socialised as a boy, not to mention the unrealistic body standards society puts on everyone. It might be healthy to examine those thoughts. This could be a misinterpretation. Still, I liked the videos

[@cameronrouse2033]

I went looking for a comment like this

[@spootot]

@@cameronrouse2033 I'm glad I could provide what you were looking for ♡

[@ChrisRedfield98]

@@cameronrouse2033 I agree but it's not unhealthy to want to better yourself mentally and physically

[@spootot]

@@ChrisRedfield98 depends on what your motivation is imo

[@MrDivinity22]

Yeah, I had the same thought. Striving to be a better person is fine and all, but he seemed to tie a lot of it to fitness. I felt kind of attacked when he mentioned "putting down the controller". Like I go bouldering 2 or 3 times a week, but I can still have an incredibly emotional and moving experience with a game about a young trans-woman's struggle to find love and acceptance in a world that doesn't seem to think she's earned them (This is not a joke, it happened just 5 days ago). But I guess that's not the kind of game most people play... 🤷‍♀️

[@angeliconda123]

Once again I request that you two make a podcast together. 😂😂😂 But fr I would watch that.

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@ellagcharleson]

i second this omg

[@mariamsaakian4139]

you shoulddd i would listen the hell out of it

[@JennySieck]

I would totally listen.

[@priscahermene9107]

what jack is saying makes sense to me. There is a lot of expectations for women to always be exceptional, and then men have a feeling of entitlement to women, they feel they can say whatever they want and get whoever they want. And just like with any relationship, it’s always a lot easier to be with someone if you guys meet in the same place … you know ? Like obviously be with who you want, but it’s easier to be with someone if you are on the same path and share similar values. And so, I think it could have been worded better because physical and mental health looks different for everyone (regardless of gender). But men usually aren’t encouraged to be emotionally mature and there isn’t too great of expectation for physical health. I think physical health is also very gendered, so there’s that dimension. I think the question were heavy and required a lot more in-depth answers because there is so many layers. I think everyone in the comments expects Jack to know everything and touch all the different aspects of these things, but he obviously didn’t but I think he still did a decent job of answering them.

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@Onnarashi]

I don't feel entitled to women, and I'm a man. Don't make blanket statements like that. I could say women feel entitled to men's attention, time and money, when it's not all women. Female entitlement is never talked about, despite the fact that you see women expecting their fiance to buy them a $20 000 engagement ring, or getting mad when men they're attracted to don't hit on them. I've seen women listing off how men should be a certain height, have a certain size penis, have a sixpack and a fat bank account, but if a man doesn't want an overweight woman that's bodyshaming. The double standards are getting tiresome.

[@priscahermene9107]

@@Onnarashi yeah I don’t agree with that either :)! Sorry I should have acknowledged that. But I think those expectations (whether placed on men or women) are through institutions and other political apparatuses and not everyone truly abides by them. I guess speaking from the men I have interacted with and the men in my life, they offer those things to women (no one forces them) and then they usually fall short lol, so I guess I, personally, I know a lot of men who don’t really do much to improve themselves but they want to have the baddest bitches in their life (again, this is my personal experience). Have a great day :)!

[@Onnarashi]

@@priscahermene9107 That's fair. We can all fall short of someone's expectations, and self-improvement is for everyone, both men and women. Take care!

[@helvete_ingres4717]

what expectations for women to be 'exceptional', what are you talking about? Women are middling across all variables incl. iq - exceptional is a male thing, women look for exceptional men not so much the other way round (men's standards tend to be lower). Also it's blatant cultural gaslighting that women are more emotionally mature. Proof: I tell a story abut my 45 year-old co-worker loudly crying in the lobby b/c they're the only one in the office not invited for drinks that evening, no one on earth needs to be told what gender they are, it's already obvious. also women on average have terrible physical health, averaging a waist size of about 40 inches - and society encourages her to think of herself as a catch

[@pandora.z]

"Cause we're never taught how" "like when you grow when your emotional your just told don't be your not supposed to express emotion and if you do its considered weak" i felt that one on a personal level😭

[@kennyjac]

This is a great convo! I appreciate that you're both trying to listen and learn. I'd recommend to Jack to catch himself on saying things like "this is the way life is" or "this is the case for everything/everyone" Y'all are still so young and have limited experiences/perspectives, so just remain open to changing your mind about how the world is :)

[@nightwolt3454]

I feel like other people might notice this so I feel like it’s important to say. but I want to make it clear this isn’t meant as hate toward anyone! I’ve seen him in videos for a few years now, and he definitely seems like a nice guy, but It just made me really sad that he spoke of gaining weight in such a negative light. I know that that’s the sad truth when it comes to Society, but I really want this mindset to change. I feel like what he was saying otherwise is a good point though, just changing it a bit, to being a good person on the inside will make so many more people want to be around you, and care about you in general. And focusing your looks on what you’d want💚

[@tat._7384]

"When a woman and a woman love each other very much" LMAOO

[@TheWindsofWonder]

He definitely has some views about what a man "should be" that I disagree with, but hey, I respect that it seems his intent is coming from a good place. His view on shows misrepresenting the best example of men because they show "nerdy" or "fat" men is a bit toxic though. As if those are aspects that limit men from being good people. But hey, that's also just my opinion. That being said, I do agree with a lot of what he said. I just think he's fed a bit too much into the "alpha male" mentality that's been growing in popularity amongst men's self-help communities (the dreaded red pill). I absolutely love living a healthy lifestyle but it appears he's a bit fat-phobic. One of the most inspiring examples of a man that I've come across has been an ex-boss of mine. He happened to be very overweight but to say he wasn't the definition of a good character, work ethic, social skills, networking, and charisma is just wrong. He was constantly volunteering for his daughters' youth groups despite running an engineering firm that he started himself. The type of guy that wakes up at 4am to work and doesn't sleep until midnight if he has to. He doesn't have time for the gym. Not saying that his lack of self-awareness of his personal health is a good thing. But to such negativity about someone's appearance and attribute that to the amount of drive in their life is misguided. Anyway, rant over. edit: typos. Also, I do want to state that I do agree with him more than I disagree. I just found those particular opinions offputting.

[@ilja1198]

I think Jack said a lot of valid, interesting stuff, but talking about someones worth comparing with their weight is fucked up dude. I don't want a guy with sixpack, I want someone who is respectful, friendly, funny and open minded. Dark hair and a nice smile for bonus. I don't care how many pushups he can do

[@agust.6214]

Yes I don’t think the comparison with weight was ok, but I think that he was trying to say that man usually have big expectations of themselves and usually think they deserve more than what they do. I do agree that man need to stop thinking they deserve everything, like I hate man that think that they own the world. That kind of people in general is just annoying.

[@hmc5613]

I think it is fucked up but I also think he may be referring more to the idea that many men want a woman who looks a certain way and is specifically skinny while not making the effort to be that way themselves.

[@ilja1198]

@@hmc5613 because only skinny people deserve skinny people? Not trying to start a fight with you but I think fatphobic thoughts are so easy to slip into our brains. You can' t expect anyone to be skinny, not if you're fat and not if you're skinny yourself. You can have preferences lookswise. You can prefer skinny people if you're fat and if you're skinny. Just like I prefer people with no sixpack. Your weight isn't something that has to come from 'both sides' like being respectful and making time for each other

[@hmc5613]

@@ilja1198 More that you can't put all of those things up as your ideal thinking you deserve them when you aren't willing to make an effort to be the kind of person you're looking for. Weight is a stupid one and people shouldn't look at it as something you deserve but still.

[@Spapadap]

Youre twisting his words into something completly different. Hes talking about working on yourself, your appearance and beyond. Also, you may not value looks much but most people do that's just a reality of life.

[@52Paulis]

Mak thank you for that. Jack is a wonderful friend. Brilliant and deep like you are. It is a testament to both of your characters that you are still friends. Yes, I follow his channel, and yes, quality social media can change the world. The two of you work well together so yes more and it can be whatever you're into. I'd also like you to have fun chats with Dylan Thomas. You could have similar conversations with straight and bisexual women to add to the point of view to these questions. I also believe both men and women have been screwed over by the media of the past. Well done!

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@AlanSizzlerKistler]

bi guy here, and I've quickly become a fan of your channel the past few months. This interview was really great, you both had such a good discussion with insights I really appreciated. Thank you. I do a lot of research and consultation on storytelling in US film and TV, and one thing that strikes me as nuts is how often men will be forgiven in narratives by acting better but are still never expected to apologize or accept that action can matter more than intention, or how often romantic dramas and comedies (particularly 80s and 90s it seems) have told us it's ok for the guy to lie to a woman if he liked a woman. "This whole time I thought you were a millionaire or gay or a cop with a different name, but you like me so it's ok let's get married." It's insane.

[@saratucker9387]

I like when jack is on the channel! I love this content either funny or serious. Keep doing what you’re doing because it’s great!

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@themagicbookstar]

I love how Jack's answer to the Are You Sure You're Straight? question went from Definity to Absolutely Not 🤣

[@michaelwicker9538]

He's literally explaining masculine erasure really well with his example that there are zero examples of masculinity that isn't either toxic af or feminity with a penis. But saying it like it's men having bad expectations... That's a classic sign of being gaslit to high hell.

[@samygafsi6429]

I love this video. We really need videos like this in both directions and for different orientations as well. I believe that watching these responses and having these interaction creates the necessary exposure to push us to be more accepting of other people. So I'm doing my part here and answering some of those points (as a guys) : - Communication : It has to do with the upbringing. You learn by seeing how your parents and adults behave in front of you and that teaches you the wrong habits as you don't see the full pictures. - Privilege : Well, everyone is priviliged in their own way compared to the least priviliged person. When you are not in contact or encouter the situations that shows you that difference it's hard to gage how priviliged you are. By getting older and going through life you start to realize those points. Some people live in their own bubble town or communities and don't get exposed enough to realize this or they don't want to fight it to not lose the advantage it gives them. I personally look at those priviliges and believe that everyone should have them and not as things that should be taken away (to a certain limit obviously). And year over year I find myself pushing further to remove this difference. I'm also aware how I'm not the the one suffering from it and can't be the one to solve the issue. But I can support people who suffered from it as they udnerstand it better and help them achieve that goal. - Expectations : I agree regarding the media part they talked about, but it's only part of the picture in my opinion. Seeing how men had expectationsfor women in the past pushes men towards that level. The only issue is that what used to be the expectations for men has shifted over time since there is barely any wars around (to expection them to sacrifice themselves), we now have home security, women can work and bring the necessary amount of money. So only high expectations for women remained, which creates this unbalance. I personally believe that expectations should be towards the relationship itself as to where it should be leading and not what the partner should be. If the expectations are pointed i nthat direction, you will find that it gets much healthier and much more realistic. - Princess : Mulan is my favorite character, but I find Pocahontas to be the most attractive. Comment getting too long, so I'll stop here. And I encourage men and boys to share their side as well. Women you are welcome to share your opinion as well or what you believe the answers are.

[@zoewagner9434]

I really appreciate hearing this, it's refreshing to hear a perspective of someone who is doing their best to think about everyone and not just the norm. I really appreciate this, both of you! Thank you!

[@noammiriamlevy2174]

these two go very deep in conversations very fast and I'm digging it:)

[@tbella5186]

As a Mom of three boys, thank you for pointing out that unrealistic expectations are set for men as well. Also so true about raising kids in the Midwest. My boys are lucky that I am Alt (90's Pagan/Punk here) to my bones, and I try to expose my boys to the reality of differences that they will find in the World.

[@CallmeOzymandias]

I wasn't expecting such a deep and insightful conversation when I clicked on this. Super enjoyable watch.

[@jagtai]

How to change the expectations of women? A good place to start would be to teach men (and whoever else need it) that her physical appearance is ultimately irrelevant, because her mind/personality will attract / turn you on a hundred times more than the size of her "assets". ;) I am attracted to eyes and smiles much more than anything else; and if she can make you laugh, she's a keeper ;) Just my two cents

[@-tom-8720]

Well just biologically guys (while highly valuing both looks and personality) prefer attractiveness over personality and is the main thing they look for in woman (Same applys for gay men), and if they are an R-strategist then the womens personality largely means diddly-squat and more so her "assets" mean literally everything. (It's the opposite for women in general personality>looks while highly valuing both.)

[@priscahermene9107]

I think Jack should have explained how health (both physical and mental) is different for everyone and sooo much plays a part in why someone struggles or doesn’t struggle their health. Butttt I also think he was just saying men usually don’t have to work hard to improve themselves, and they are still valided and recognized and they feel entitled to everything. I just grew up with men who did nothing for themselves… they put no effort into anything lol, like just so unmotivated. So I think it’s important for everyone to work to improve ourselves (I know it’s easier said than done, lol) so idk, give grace to people of all genders but definitely don’t let cis men get away with being average and shitty to everyone else

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@Onnarashi]

When have men gotten away with not working on themselves? We're constantly told to be successful, strong, competitive, competent etc. Are women told that? I don't think women are pressured as much to succeed as men are, so I have no idea why you'd single out "cis men" here.

[@priscahermene9107]

@@Onnarashi again, I don’t agree with those pressures placed on anyone of any gender, I guess I’m thinking more in social roles (like men can be really immature and abusive and usually they get away it) and again, this is my personally experience with men.

[@Onnarashi]

@@priscahermene9107 I see what you're saying. I do think some men get away with being immature, and probably moreso than women would (at least being emotionally immature). Not sure about men getting away with being abusive though. Depends on what you mean by that. I tend to see it the other way around, where it's normalised (even seen as funny) when women hit and berate men, but it's considered horrfic if a man hits or berates a woman. Even a multimillionaire like Johnny Depp went 6 years with the media and much of the public thinking he was an abuser, but then the truth came out and people were still defending Amber Heard. He had his career ruined over an accusation (and zero evidence), whereas she became a spokeswomen for female abuse victims and still (to this day) has an acting career, after all the facts about her abuse of Depp came out.

[@priscahermene9107]

@@Onnarashiyeah I agree with that sentiment too, no one of any gender should be able to get away with abuse. I’m honestly also coming from a different culture (Congolese woman) so abuse towards is not even categorized as abuse, it’s literally seen as “tradition” so there’s that. And I think women definitely can and are abusive but historically men have been more so, and I think it’s not until recent times that they are held more accountable.

[@kurloveskitties8667]

As someone who was ACTUALLY groomed, I very much dislike that he throws the word around with no regard for the meaning. I know he has no ill intention but please be mindful and learn the meaning of the words you use.

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

As someone who was also groomed I’m glad I stopped watching the video when he was being incredibly fat phobic, ableist, & ignorant to his privilege-if I had continued to watch & had to hear him spew more bs, especially regarding the topic you mentioned, I would have been furious. Some people need to have microphones & platforms taken away. Just because you can speak doesn’t mean you can speak ON something.

[@-tom-8720]

@@emmabunch-benson4795 Practice what you preach.

[@victorpetrov8535]

@@emmabunch-benson4795 I find it fascinating that you commented under a post stating how damaging it is to throw around these labels willy nilly by doing that with a plethora of labels. First thing, both for you and OP, the term "groomed" is actually not limited to the use you (and most of us) expect from it, but that is the meaning that's been inscribed as of late. Therefore, I don't think there's any mal intent or even, necessarily, him being misinformated, it's just that we've collectively come to expect a certain thing from words that are not limited to it. Then I'll go to the privilege argument, cause that's by far the easiest to explain. He said (boiling down to) he is aware he is privileged, but doesn't feel privileged, because it's the only thing he's ever known. And every single other word he said on the matter further implied he is aware of it. And that, I imagine, holds true for just about every guy who's in some way conscious of it. It certainly does for me. I don't know what exactly expectation you've set for privileged people, but I think you may be chasing a unicorn. As for the fat phobic claims (I'll choose to mention that I'm overweight myself just because I think it'll add a bit more value to what I'm saying, not that that would necessarily imply it's correct) he essentially said that people as a whole could stand to do a bit more exercise and take care of their body (slam dunk of an argument, no debate) and that, implied by him, fat people won't necessarily always be capable to get into relationships with fit people or significantly more fit people. Now I see how this could be perceived as an issue. The thing is, it's true if you look at it as a statistic, it's only an issue if you apply it to a single individual and tell them they can't do this thing outside of the arbitrary bounds you've set for them. Given that he was talking about an arbitrary non existing person, I choose to take it as him talking about the statistic. You can choose what you like, I'm just giving another perspective. As for the ableist I must not have noticed entirely anything relating to that, but I don't feel like rewatching the video just to confirm if there was anything. So you may be right, or not, I don't know.

[@victorpetrov8535]

I'm sorry for everyone who's gonna read that badly structured wall of text, but I have REALLY strong feelings about people throwing these terms at others who clearly have a somewhat progressive mindset, just haven't yet reached the right words and terms to express themselves and think they're helping society by demonizing people who are demonstrating clear signs of positive change.

[@curse4384]

Thats not what groomed means… that is an example but it is being pushed somewhere for a long period of time. Pedophilia is not the only example

[@justagirl4117]

I've stumbled upon part one of this video and discovered your channel through it. You both seem to be very cool, honest and open people and I'd love to see more of you together. You have great dynamics, so honestly any talk with the two of you would be very interesting.

[@Medisapq]

Jack is pretty well spoken and his analyzation about why men can’t communicate properly makes total sense

[@anadd6195]

Children up to a certain age actually cannot be exposed to certain types of content as it genuinely damages them, especialists say that so you can ask your therapist especially if they specialize on children. But, there is a degree of exposure depending on the age that can happen. I grew up in a complicated situation (no sexual-abuse involved🙅‍♀️) and having also seen some media content too soon that was extra-damaging. People who specialize and studied this stuff for years do know what they're saying boy so let's keep that in mind. 🙌

[@heyhey8528]

everyone is going to be damaged a little bit, its just life

[@gesche9263]

I like these deep conversations

[@Makingemi]

same :)

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@Jazz-zu1jl]

I'm having a proper full on bi panic 👀 Great conversation guys!

[@wojocolebuilds]

I've talked to guys a little about this, and I'm sure there are other perspectives. I think a big reason why guys don't share our feelings is bc it could often be considered annoying, off-putting or lame. OR (mostly) we're worried it will come off that ways. Sure guys complain about things often, but talking about delicate things going on with us just isnt usually accepted in a public setting very well. It's akin to standing facing everyone else when you get into elevator. So imho, it's less having to do with w/ masculinity sucking, and more having to with our culture's acceptance of what masculinity definitively is. On the far extreme, I'd look at post war PTSD and how combat vets havent been able to express themselves well. Our culture needs to be willing to hear stuff guys got going on. This could continue being a problem romantically until society in general gets better at allowing men to decompress healthily, bc honestly, one woman can't and 100% shouldn't have to teach them how to. Also I think with some of the male privilege discussions of recent years, it's easy for guys my age and younger to just assume that no one wants to hear our problems whatsoever^2. But that's more recently.

[@karinagutierrez7134]

“You go to school, middle school or even grade school and think ‘Where are the tiddies?’ And then you get bitter, upset, and unsatisfied and then your expectations soar”. If this is truly representative of the male experience, ESPECIALLY for a literal child, I am truly horrified and understand where the some of that male entitlement comes from.

[@views-kb6sv]

That isn't exclusive to men tho.

[@gesche9263]

Loved watching the video. Video ideas for more content together: reacting to old pictures and/or texts, letters, snaps

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@fridajuliansdottir8414]

"It's a lot easier to do terrible things, when behind you, people are cheering"

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

The irony of this statement. Pretty much sums up these people/this video.

[@Suileabhain]

Excellent and refreshing. Great to see two intelligent young people having a real discussion. From a 60yr old male

[@garielkagrela2456]

its so sad that hes just a decent man and im over here absolutely amazed by his respectfullness and insightful, thought through opinions

[@__orlando__]

I think its important to frame the loss of negative expectations not as "worse" but as an improvement, like acknowledging that a woman's looks is not the only thing that will make u happy in a relationship or that harmful expectations make women miserable is a good thing that will make men happier...

[@linusjklett]

Amazing video! Jack did an amazing job of representing straight men. This is an average guy, unlike what many people here seem to expect from straight men (which seems to only be toxic alpha male podcasts/channels).

[@vallentinac9513]

I love his answers, so aware and insightful.

[@cohenstocks5614]

I love these videos but in my opinion I feel Jack put a lot of types of men down, and says that to get the girl you want and be a great man you have to work out and stuff which I truly feel is not the case. I love Jack I just think so of his awnsers were to one sided.

[@ashsingh2597]

Agree about almost everything but the comments on weight. Saying men who are overweight or don't work out or are fat should be lower in the hierarchy. That did seem extremely fatphobic and generally like bodyshaming. Men's self esteem/ mental health suffers because of this.

[@magnuswendin7924]

I didn't take that as what he meant. It sounded as he meant those men who used to be the shit in high school. As adults they let themselves go but still expect the most beautiful and sexy women to fall at their feet. It didn't sound as he bashed overweight men in general.

[@Onnarashi]

Many/most women don't want overweight men, but bodyshaming is never brought up because they're men.

[@crabbyman9696]

It is up to us as men, as people in general, to strive to be healthy as possible. His statement was definitely about people who feel entitled but fail to look in the mirror. Being unhealthy is definitely was one of those aspects

[@sierralloyd2777]

a guy one time legitimately told me "sexual assaulters are just nice guys that dont know how to talk to girls".....

[@ashamachin-hunt6099]

being straight is definitely a privilege. e.g. Unlike my two mums I have never had to worry about holding hands when travelling in a country where being gay is illegal. And so is being a man for so many big and lil reasons, just look at stats.

[@views-kb6sv]

Being a woman is also a privillege in it's own way.

[@hopemoore2724]

I feel like in general their conversations are fun to listen to but in this video I was kinda bothered by the fact that weight gain/ being fat was equated with being lazy and unattractive and how the main part of working on yourself would be to change your physique

[@Chhhhelle]

Exactly.. A good personality trumps looks any day!? But then again, it seems that men get attracted to womens looks (and personality comes second) so I guess they think women think the same way as them

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

YUP. The fat phobia was strong in this one. I’m now unsubscribed. She sat there agreeing with him. They clearly don’t understand how fat phobia is deeply rooted in racism & sexism & therefore should be a concern to someone who is also part of a minority group that can also be dehumanized. And just be something you don’t partake in in general if your a bare minimum decent person. The ignorance. If people were as outraged at fat phobia as they are with sexism & racism & homophobia (again one in the same/all connected) they would quit being so openly fat phobic like this. They’d get de platformed.

[@Makingemi]

agree with you. i responded to a couple people about this because it’s clear that the idea got lost in context. in regards to talking about men’s expectations for women, jack was pointing out how the same men that have very strict expectations for girls, are ones that would refuse to live the lifestyle necessary to look that way themselves. sorry that it didn’t come across that way. i understand your concerns

[@Makingemi]

i very much understand the roots of fat phobia and have spoken about it frequently on my instagram stories when people ask me about my nutrition and fitness. if you had read any of my responses to these you would see that what i agreed with was jack pointing out that men that have insane expectations for women would refuse to follow the same lifestyle necessary to look up to that standard themselves. not agreeing with fatphobia at all and i’m sorry it came across that way to you. that’s certainly not the way i feel and not the kind of content i want to put out.

[@evermore331]

@@Makingemi I recognize you have good intentions. I do challenge you in the future to think about how you can make that come across rather than replying to people giving you genuine feedback to tell them that their interpretation and feelings are wrong. Avoiding stigmatizing language such as the word overweight (and I know it wasn't you who said it but there is still responsibility in hitting publish without addressing it) as well as repeating these harmful narratives without clear criticism in this instance can be harmful. People have told you this. Some will stay, some won't. But I hope this channel can be a safe and fun place for fat people going forward.

[@MrChickenmanOfficial]

"Nah, she was in the fucking TRENCHES" That killed me

[@potmki6601]

Jack is cool and you two have great energy. Bring him back for anything, I’ll watch it

[@willa7743]

wow a decent straight guy that is actually aware of toxic masculinity and willing to try to change those toxic social constructs ... haven’t seen one of those in a while

[@stephtaylor6292]

Haha, Woah.. serious talks! Appreciate it. Also appreciate the funny ones. Both are good. 💚

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@faintsmileten]

more interviews with Jack pls!!! Love his answers!

[@paulkrasemann3651]

It's funny, because the Questions are so biased and Bad, but the actual conversations are pretty good. "Why are Men bad at communicating" - They Aren't, you just straight up do not talk to enough Men to realise that Men are actual individual People and not a homogenous group. "Do you feel privileged for your gender" - Privilege very explicitly is not something thats felt, it's the absence of extra obstacles. The question straight up doesn't make sense. Also Male Privilege is very overrated at an individual level. "Why do guys have Unrealistic Expectations?" - They don't. Idk what kind of Men you know, but like, thats just not a thing. (The expectation for a Partner from a Man is mostly "a Partner who actually likes me and treats me decently). - Also, the whole thing about Male Values and not looking at themselves is so weird to me. wtf. Like, do you know actual Men or just have a Picture in your Head of how a Man is. Also also, the whole "You need to have the right weight and skillset and etc. do have any expectation" is just weird on top. Funnier because after a couple minutes the question "what are the expectations" gets raised, and the only answer is "well, they are probably pretty i guess?" "How do you know that you are straight" - Actually good question, but probably only can be answered individually. "Do you find it offensive that Women are afraid of Men" - Also decent question, i think the problem is that it effects everyone, and both as a "Victim" and a potential threat very much effects all Men. Like, Men are both supposed to be the Scary ones and also are not allowed to talk about their own bad experiences by Women to not raise their own problems. Like, the Problem is you pretty much only Alienate the Men that aren't Shit by saying all Men are Shit, nothing else happens. The actual Fear of Strangers is valid, but also not Gendered at all. "Do you think Girls are as Horny as Guys" - Guys and Girls are, i know surprising, IN FACT BOTH PEOPLE, and not Homogenous Masses of Sameness. I want to stress i think it's a fun concept and a good conversation, but it annoys me how the questions always are pretty much thinking Men are just shitty emotionless sexblobs with one singular Borg-brain for all of them.

[@justinolm]

Finally some real shit facts

[@allenedwall3835]

I enjoy your honest and informative conversations about the topics you are exploring. They are thought-provoking, and if we try to consider different ideas without our natural biases coming into play, well, we might just be able to learn new things and perhaps may even be able to improve ourselves. Thanks for sharing.

[@rivwilson9330]

this is extremely important stuff. I was raised male and there's a heap of messed up stuff we are raised to believe about ourselves, women, the world and our place in it. at least in the internet era, I can't speak for prior to that

[@bingbongalong]

I agree, we need more discussions about how the traditional socialization of males causes suffering to everyone. The patriarchy is bad for everyone.

[@anjalamot3930]

I really like this type of video, makes me think about stuff. I'd love more content from you two, love the dynamic!

[@JamMastaJeremy]

Y'all are cool as shit. Never subbed to a channel after watching one video before, but just did on part 1, and part 2 is even better! Great convo. Love what Jack said about iCarly. It's true -- as guys, we so rarely see anyone who's both a) actually worth emulating and b) is relatable. There'll be people like Freddie and Spencer who have talents and passions, but they get treated like the butts of jokes more often than not, so you end up thinking "I don't wanna be like them." And then there'll be characters like Drake on Drake and Josh or Beck on Victorious that are just like... way too aspirational to the point where it's demotivating. I remember growing up watching things like Unfabulous and Lizzie Mcguire and Zoey 101 and As Told by Ginger where the girls were both relatable and *regularly* going through things that made them process their emotions and deal with unrealistic expectations. And looking back on it I'm like... why weren't there any "just a regular teen trying to live my best life" type shows for guys? Ned's Declassified was the closest thing but it was so school-centered and slapstick-sitcommy that it didn't really hit the way the girl-centered shows did. Idk what Nickelodeon, Disney channel, etc. are showing these days but I hope at least one show has carved out that space for guys.

[@scottrobinson4611]

Regarding the unrealistic expectations question around 4:00 - it's worth noting that this is absolutely not isolated to just men. Many women also have unrealistic expectations for men, and I think this is often looked past by women. I'd definitely say men are still much worse for it, but they're not innocent in this regard. For men, I think it mainly stems from porn, and to a lesser extent, TV and film. Women in all of those industries have a relatively narrow range of physical attributes, and put a lot of effort in to "improving" their appearance. This leads to many men expecting women to look the same way, often by altering their appearance with makeup or even surgery. As for women, a lot of women expect men to be taller than 6', much taller than the average height for men. They expect men to be visibly very muscular. They expect men to earn a lot of money. Basically, they want successful tall men with high testosterone, but without the 'negative' effects of it like aggression and male-pattern balding. I don't agree with it from either side. Expecting people to be anything but their natural selves is insane to me. I don't expect my girlfriend to do anything specific with her appearance, nor does she have any for me. Our attraction runs much deeper than physical appearance. We have preferences of course, but there are no expectations to adhere to those. Generally speaking, there's also the problem of mismatched expectations, which aren't inherently a bad thing, but can cause misunderstandings. When someone with few expectations (like myself) meets someone with much higher expectations, I'll view their expectations as unreasonable, while they'll view me as a slob, and therefore undesirable. If I put a lot of effort in to my appearance, maybe I'd have higher expectations of my partner, but I don't on both accounts.

[@Alejandro_Arispe_III]

I Have Always Expressed My Emotions Regardless Of The Outcome. I Am 50/50 Masculine & Feminine. Express Your Feelings! Those Who Are Meant To Be In Your Life Will Stay & Those Who Can't Handle Your Emotions Will Not. We Can't Control How Others Think & Feel.

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@Alejandro_Arispe_III]

@@battleboss8376 Thanks! Same To You!

[@tals.8960]

I really love this series. Thank you for doing this. First of all, your ex is so pretty! But, also, I **love** the way you're discussing this. "I think it's a problem with masculinity, as opposed to a problem with men." YES. We're not taught how to communicate, we're not taught how to understand other people's emotions in the same way. And just like Jack says - until you are actually in the situation, or until you actually talk it out with someone, it can be really hard to realize your own misconceptions or just to realize the logical/reasonable reaction that someone else would have. God. I love the way Jack talks about this stuff. Yes, we are privileged, but that doesn't mean we don't worry about our own precarity; doesn't mean we aren't also people just trying to do the best with what we've got (even if what we've got started off at a better place, a more privileged place). Surprise: men are people, just like anyone else!

[@tals.8960]

Jack's take on entitlement and expectations is interesting. I think he's right about entitlement. For sure. Personally, I heard the question rather differently. Why do men have unrealistic expectations about women? Because far too often women present themselves as being so much better than men. When women present themselves as being so much better than men at emotional availability, emotional intelligence, not being driven by their libido, being better than men at hygiene and cleaning and cooking and other basic life skills... well, then we expect that our girlfriend or partner is going to be good at those things. And sometimes they're not. And that's okay - they're only human. But when you set yourself up with saying that men are so incompetent, such disappointments, that men have such a low bar, well, the implication is that the bar is that much higher for what a woman, by default, would be expected to be like. My ex was endlessly critical of me for basically everything. I didn't have the emotional experience or communication skills she expected of me, didn't do various basic life things (cleaning, eating, hygiene, sleeping, dressing) the way /she/ wanted me to, the way /she/ thought was the right way to do it. She set herself up as the expert, as the baseline for knowing. And then she was herself a mess. So, she basically created the unrealistic expectations herself, setting herself up as the expert at relationships, at communication, at dealing with emotions properly - set me up to have unrealistic expectations for how together and level-headed and experienced she was. And she wasn't.

[@user-gq1hb1ou9z]

Hey mak, i love watching your channel but i have a small suggestion. Could you maybe turn down the backround music a bit next video. Itll make it that much better and a little easier to focus on what you guys are talking about :)

[@Makingemi]

totally can, sorry about that i thought i had it low enough :/ hope you still enjoyed!

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@asdfhun]

@@Makingemi also doublecheck the audio channels next time, kinda weird that who's on the right speaks from the left ;)

[@KaiKailuv]

@@Makingemi I barely heard it till I turned it up. I thought it sounded fine.

[@larissapienaar2436]

@@asdfhun THAT’S WHAT IT IS I COULDN’T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS BOTHERING ME!

[@Sleepingwei]

“I bet he travels a lot” I laughed out loud 💀💀

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@5thRing]

Everyone and everything has some kind of privilege. Accusing someone of having privilege is like accusing them of existing.

[@marwahmajeed1517]

Jack is so genuine I love it

[@jannekejaeschke8500]

“watching pretty people do stuff, that’s social media for you” and me watching this video..

[@miamaude1]

Loved earing Jack's opinions and mostly liked how he talked about the issues. Sadly i chose to stop the video halfway after earing many fatphobics coments. I just wanted to share my discomfort if you ever want to reflect on the issue. Sending you lots of love!

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Same

[@magnuswendin7924]

Didn't really hear any fatphobic comments in the video. Just that some people who was the shit in high school and dated the beautiful girl, let themself go as adults but keep the same mentality. Getting pissed of that the sexy woman at the bar wants nothing to do with them. It's not fatphobic. It's reality.

[@Birdie-]

@@magnuswendin7924 I believe they're talking more about the way that he seems to indicate that he thinks weight is tied to someone's worth, which is fatphobic.

[@EmilySkillett]

your videos make my day Mak!

[@mimimindless4034]

i LITERALLY spit out my water watching jack be so dreamy about timothee chalamet lol

[@amandadavis5687]

Wow I love the way Jack speaks about dynamic between men and women! The fact most men think they are “high value man” I love that Jack said that often men go for people way out of there league and then get pissed the girl doesn’t want them, and not out of their league as far as looks but as far as being a functioning healthy human. Like if a women has her own place, car and high paying a cooperate job they are absolutely not going to want to date a basement-dwelling jobless man. If men were to look at themselves as Jack said and try to better themselves to become kind, caring and good at communicating the high class women would be more likely to date them then.

[@Onnarashi]

It goes both ways, except many women aren't expected to be nearly as successful and put together as men. There's an imbalance here, where men have more pressure on them to be successful than women do (on average).

[@oliviajulien3952]

The fat-phobia in this is crazy

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Absolutely unacceptable

[@magnuswendin7924]

They can't really help how people interpret things. So many people here that seems to have selective hearing.

[@axps4964]

07:00 You can't fix your face with push ups, you have pretty privilige already and wouldn't get it. And all the be the man, be confident and initiate every single thing talk I think is pretty toxic too and gives hardships to men.

[@Makingemi]

i understand what you mean, and agree with that mentality potentially being toxic. i think his point was that sometimes men expect a lot from women when they wouldn’t even want to do those things themselves. hope this clears it up, have a wonderful day :)

[@axps4964]

@@colleenr3358 That is true. Acceptance is healthy and we must all do. This will not change the reality but I think not everyone ment to form romantic or sexual relationship anyway. We are not entilted to peoples desire. It is what it is.

[@ChrisRedfield98]

Actually becoming fit can alter your face slightly

[@axps4964]

@@ChrisRedfield98 You can have an accident and lose most of your face or just get old. Finding your value in how you look isn't that sustainable. And if someones love is partly based on your look, that love isn't that sustainable either. Main point is that how big that part is, I guess.

[@ChrisRedfield98]

@@axps4964 the sad truth is that looks will always be a factor,

[@nothankyewpls]

This is one of the best/nicest straight guys I have ever seen. Congrats, that takes a lot of work and self reflection to be that good of a human, especially when conditioned otherwise.

[@АлексейЗаботкин-т1х]

He is not straight at all

[@JulietteVeronica1201]

You two have such good best friend chemistry

[@MrNicoleCherie]

I think when all there is, is media and porn to educate youth there has already been a problem, long before the existence of either of them. The problem just gets seen via the things we depend upon to describe life. We shouldn't be blaming movies and porn for everything. It exempts us from realistic conversations about the way life works. The truth is, is that we don't understand life as well as we think. It's mis-education teaching mis-education. So the cycle continues.

[@OcyTaviAh]

Not sure how accurate Jack's statement about privacy and accountability is. Because breeches in privacy often lead to exposure of things that lead vulnerability minority groups exposed to violence more than it leads to people who are willing to perpetrator that violence being exposed. Almost always these things will lead to those already vulnerable suffering more than those who are in power and want to make the vulnerable people suffer. He says he is interested in history, so he should know that it is never the people in power who are held to consequences, and we are still seeing that today and lack of privacy is not helping that at all.

[@amyvlogs9355]

love your videos so much Mak!! ❤️

[@tipsandtricks5361]

Seventh good job

[@amyvlogs9355]

@@tipsandtricks5361 thanks!!

[@rocklegends0773]

Im super interested in this sort of thing, especially involving how different genders view the world, and I have NEVER heard anyone have such an insightful way of explaining it, literally in ways I've never heard but it makes so much sense! Definitely subscribing to him.

[@ysaurefulconis4826]

When a woman and a woman love each other very much... IM CACKLING

[@Mad.E]

The whole expectation thing... what really fucks with me is when people talk about it as if the women were the problem, as if it's them disappointing the men

[@lisje2496]

Love this conversation! We need like a 100 more of such videos! Thank you!

[@Denf0]

Both his responses to the expectations of women question are pretty spot on, tbh. That's why there's so much pushback from traditionalists & conservatives on less restrictive systemic changes like critical race theory and book banning because they would rather maintain control over a world that enforces their views & beliefs than let people grow and change on their own when that might not benefit them.

[@mistabook]

Oh my god, the gay woman and the straight man being completely derailed by Johnny Depp's crop top. I hear ya, guys

[@Emilyberry1D]

I love Mak but I can’t with Jack trying to be “deep”, it’s clear he has a very shallow and one sided perspective. People can and do change their perspectives, if they make the effort, saying they can’t is excusing bad behavior. Also what’s with the fatphobia?

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Preach

[@wordsofalegend8228]

Hiiiiii, I love these videos so much they are so entertaining and ur both so insightful and respectful and smart, i wish this would be a podcast honestly I could listen to yall talk for hours. Ps. This channel is litreally my comfort zone I've been watching it for a yr and a half, mak is my role model, and the videos are always so pretty. And I fucking love mak's hair.

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@fabianehase1461]

ohh ive been waiting for this video! u guys should definitely do a part 3

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@deklein6444]

He gives so much insights about mens' perspective on certain issues but i'd rather listen to Mak talk. I'm literaly allergic to men

[@katmon9757]

18:31 FRIKEN DYING OH MY GOD😂😂😭😭

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@masonkline2644]

Jackie do a video where he interrogates Mack about girls behaviors

[@shelbyteresak]

Favorite jack video so far!! I really enjoyed hearing his thoughts on all this!

[@fionadandler7850]

Jack is cool and has some good points, but I don’t think he should’ve commented about weight being tied to someone’s worth as a person. Also when he said he knows he has privilege but doesn’t dive deeper, that’s a red flag, we should be working to acknowledge the privileges we have so that they can be taken down

[@BebeLife486]

I thoroughly enjoyed these questions and the conversation you two had! I just watched the past 20 minutes with rapt attention!

[@mia.uya._2000]

First 💕💕💕 thanks mak your videos just Made my day

[@tipsandtricks5361]

Ur second good job

[@battleboss8376]

Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋

[@LilThreat88]

Great serious talk, guys. Love more content with him in the future, funny or whatever

[@alfie6703]

hi mak just wanted to let you know that you make me smile every time i see your face you are so funny and handsome your my favourite influencer ever i inspire to be like you.❤️❤️

[@tipsandtricks5361]

Fifth good job

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Wishing you a phenomenal day 👋