Leslie Jordan: Gay, Sober & Fabulous

Mayim explores the neurobiology and neuroanatomical differences between gay and straight men while the beloved comedian Leslie Jordan shares his personal struggles with crystal meth and alcoholism. He discusses growing up gay in the south at a time when no one talked about gay rights and he reflects on starting his first serious relationship in his 50s and how sobriety has allowed him access to aspects of his mental health and love life he had never experienced.
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[@corkycobon1481]

RIP Leslie Jordan. Gone way too soon and never too be forgotten for the all the roles that he brought to life with his charm, grace and outrageous comedic chops. An absolute ICON and LEGEND!!

[@corkycobon1481]

@@beantrader4723 Spout your religious BS somewhere else. I don't appreciate your hate filled post.

[@beantrader4723]

@@corkycobon1481 All sinners hate God, his teachings, his laws, & his judgements. My post quotes Bible scripture, so this is the proof that you hate God & despise hearing the truth. God's world, God's rules. Live with it.

[@corkycobon1481]

@@beantrader4723 Judge not lest ye be judged yourself. You like to spout scripture, I can as well. Anyone can. That is not proof of love of God. It is proof that you know bible scripture and nothing more. Love of God is actions, not words or have you not read the Bible yourself???

[@curtisrobinson7962]

@@beantrader4723 Jesus was a gay.

[@sl4983]

He was jabbed :-(

[@todddepue681]

I'm gay, 49yo, 6 months sober after a 20+ year crystal meth addiction. I'm grateful. Thank you Mayim and Leslie.

[@reneejr3650]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@suzybailey-koubti8342]

Todd, hope you are strong and triumphant! ❤

[@nkyjenn]

I hope you’re still doing great Todd. 💙

[@todddepue681]

@@suzybailey-koubti8342 thank you!

[@todddepue681]

@@nkyjenn yes I am! Thank you!

[@JonPSF]

Leslie died a few days ago and today I listened to this and cried almost ceaselessly through his portion of the show. He clearly had so many more contributions to pass on to this world in future years that our world will be noticeably poorer with his far-to-arly departure from it. My heart is broken.

[@conniemerritt3206]

I could listen to Mayim and Leslie talk all day! RIP Leslie Jordan, thank you for your light that still burns!

[@anniefannycharles9951]

I'm going to miss Leslie Jordan so much. I never DIDN'T laugh when I was watching him act or just talking in an interview. He was a very very special man.

[@emilyflotilla931]

RIP LESLIE ❤️ Thank you for being a bright spot in our world that can be overtaken by darkness so easily. Mayim, I'm so sorry for your loss. This show is worth a replay!

[@andreacasco7612]

"Our brain can't tell the difference between real and imagined fear". This is so true! Loved the episode, rest in peace Leslie.

[@annfisher8784]

Leslie Jordan got me through the low days of the pandemic. Brought humor and joy to the scary days. Love him and love you Mayim.

[@robertclatworthy1857]

I could just cry listening to this interview. He was such a sweet man who wouldn’t hurt a fly. God bless you Leslie ♥️♥️

[@GreenWitchesKitchen]

My daughter came out when she was 11 yrs old and she did it in the sweetest way. She created a scavenger hunt and the treasure at the end was her coming out. It was so prescious. My husband and I support her 100%.

[@bronsonmcdonald5473]

I love this!! Thank you for being supportive parents ❣️

[@checkyourhead9]

Leslie is a national treasure and we just protect him at all costs💕 I'm so glad that people are realizing who this wonderful man is

[@maddydunham7995]

Welp 😢😢😢

[@impishsongster333]

💔😥

[@phriedokra6158]

RIP lil funny guy

[@ginacheselka6086]

RIP Leslie I have been a huge fan you will forever be missed. You are such a bright light. You have such an amazing gifts. I absolutely love this episode cried through it. Prayers and condolences go out to his twin sisters and of course his mama and his cat and his partner all his friends and family

[@DaNieloBaCa]

OMG Mayim! I learned A LOT with this one. I’m gay, I’m fighting to be sober, I’m a Buddhist (Nam Myoho Renge Kyo 🌸) and now beating cancer... Leslie and you made my day better... thank you! GREETINGS FROM SPAIN 🇪🇸❤️

[@karenenderle532]

I'm so sad that this man is no longer with us, but it was his time and we have his works and words to last us through our life times....a beautiful soul and wonderful human being!

[@AmyDeCaussinStudio]

Thank you so much for inviting everyone, including those that don’t agree to listen. One of the best ways for us to make progress together is to stay in conversation with one another and listen to all different perspectives. I have a lot of respect for you for your inclusivity.

[@iamLaneyonX2]

And Love & Respect 🫡 ❤

[@mondelro]

Mayim, you are a gift and a treasure! Please keep doing what you do..

[@jeanash9502]

Thank you Maya so sensitive

[@suebrozek4305]

I watched this interview and was in tears through most of it to think he is no longer with us. It just completely breaks my heart. To hear him talk about his book coming out Mother’s Day and you wanting him to sign them. He was such an incredible human being. Funny. He was hilarious. May Leslie Rest In Peace. Mayim I am sorry for your loss!! ❤❤

[@PanthroSamah]

I knew Leslie Jordan on Will & Grace, and since that I love him. I'm gay myself and know gay older people was what gave me strength to get out of the closet myself. I'll be forever grateful to Leslie and everyone that came before me and make the world better for myself.

[@jonathancohen4774]

🙌🙌

[@paulinegarcia7192]

I'm a 58 year old lesbian. I'm so grateful for what you're doing. This life isn't easy. But that's who we are. Thank you so much.

[@jonathancohen4774]

thank you for listening!

[@quellm84]

Stay strong sister! ❤️🇧🇷

[@MichoacanaRobertson]

Love you 🥰

[@francescaa8331]

In solidarity.

[@francescaa8331]

@thelesliejordan you're not Leslie Jordan are you.

[@jarmom4033]

Just seeing this man's face never failed to make my whole day! So 😥 sad to hear about his passing.. I hope he knows what he meant to so many. . A truly wonderful person! ❤ RIP ❤

[@kristibrown5899]

Through laughter and tears, this is by far, one of the best conversations I've seen. May he rest in peace. A beautiful soul.

[@robdaltoniii6661]

I usually find it hard to sit through an hour long video. I sat through this entire thing with ease. This guy has so much amazing complexity. I've always loved his characters but now see him on such an amazing level

[@katieoberst490]

I was a handicapped child (in a wheelchair now, walked with forearm crutches then) and I LOVE that story about your father, thank your father for me because people like me are not really seen accurately, especially as children, and my high school drama teacher saved my life because he saw me. People like him and your father are angels!!!

[@KimberBeckham]

This is exactly what I needed to hear this morning. So sorry for this loss. What a great and wonderful man.

[@terrymott2816]

Thank you Mayim for this precious intimate conversation with sweet Leslie; it's immensely comforting to hear his voice as we deeply grieve his departure.. You've given us a treasure to return to, and guide us.. one day at a time. Rest in peace, beautiful Leslie.🕊️🙏💔

[@robertclatworthy1857]

Bless you Leslie. Ive needed laughs to get me through this horrible pandemic and youve been the person to give me those laughs. I dont know what i would have done without your stories. I cant believe youve been taken from us so suddenly. The same happened to me but I survived. Rest In Peace Leslie, youve gone but you’ll never be forgotten xx

[@JoniNYon]

I grew up in Chattanooga and absolutely ADORE Leslie Jordan!! His sisters were counselors at the GS camp I attended (I found out later). This was such an informative, interesting episode! Thank you for exploring this topic deeper. As a heterosexual woman (a child of the 70's and 80's), one of the things I've always wondered was "What does it matter whom I love, when I love? Why must we be so stereotypically male or female? I don't often wear makeup, don't get all girlie (no clue HOW to even put on half of it anymore), but I'm not into man stuff (fixing things, cars, guns). I'm a widow, but don't date because I have no clue how to. I love getting together with friends and sort of see myself as an "Earth Mama": nurturing, accepting, caring.

[@unity1016]

I sooo identify with you. I'm not the only one. Wow. Really, I don't mind I'm this way. I found a gem in this episode myself. Loved it!

[@oneirishpoet]

Sounds like you have a nice life and are pretty comfortable with who you are. I'm a 63-year-old white male have similar experiences, I'm definitely not a "manly man" and not effeminate either. I went back to nursing school in my 50s because I love caring for others but I don't think of myself as a real nurturing person. No children, by choice, and been married just once (I pretty much screwed that up because I didn't know how to express my love and affection for my wife... and I don't blame her at all for the divorce, as a matter of fact I encouraged her to initiate it. I have more women friends than men, mainly because they are usually smarter, more intuitive, and have a better sense of humor than most men I know...but none of my friendships are sexual in nature, just good friends! I'm also a certified yoga teacher and kind of Buddh-ish, I garden to grow my own food, and am a vegan because I love animals and hate cruelty. I like my solitude and my favorite companion is a little Jack Russell rescue dog named Wally, I lead a simple life and just bought a lovely little casita in the mountains of Costa Rica where I plan to retire in less than two years.

[@susanmontgomery3968]

I am so very sorry to learn of Leslie's passing. I loved this episode when I first watched it, and my thoughts are with you Mayim as I know he was dear to you. (((((((HUGS)))))))

[@vanessawhitneypro]

What a brilliant conversation... Thank You, Mayim & Jonathan... And, THANK YOU & LOVE to Leslie Jordan!

[@debbiethomas7276]

I wish everyone would listen to this episode. Thank you. My brother was gay and was scared to death to come out. He has passed now and I wish everyday he could have been his true self to everyone.

[@aj-yi6os]

God bless you Debbie. It is so sad that your brother suffered for one minute trying to be who he WAS. I’m happy he had you.

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@CharCanuck14]

I've always loved Leslie Jordan as an actor and now discovering the private side of him makes me love him even more. Thank you all for this wonderful hour!

[@lesliejordan5220]

Thanks for the love! For being a fan!! I wanna appreciate you in particular for being a fan and you should keep supporting me it brings me joy that I'm able to put smiles on your faces and hearts.❤️❤️❤️

[@CharCanuck14]

@@lesliejordan5220 You just brought some sunshine into my dismal, cold (16F), snowy day here in Canada. :-)

[@CharCanuck14]

@Leslie Jordan You're an absolute sweetheart Leslie! It's been a tough year for all of us, but probably worse for old women like me who live in an apartment with just 2 cats...in a country with cold-arse winters. I'm tired of hearing just "meow" (translated into "feed me and then f*ck off"), so intelligent, humorous conversation would be so welcome.

[@EstherLilyW]

I can't imagine how gutted the whole set is Call me Kat must be. Leslie was such an awesome spirit and soul among us and so glad he got as far as he did with the challenges he had with depression and drugs. I will hear his voice in my head whenever Im down, "How y'all doing?" And "Well well well..."

[@kellybetts2690]

Watching this a week after Leslie left this world. What a wonderfully sweet and honest man. The world feels a little more empty without him in it. Great interview Mayim. RIP Leslie. 😢❤

[@hjsimmer1742]

Fear and resentment are the two things that are going to stop you from being who you were meant to be. WOW. This is more profound than anything I've heard in the last year of therapy. Amazing. Thank you, Mayim!

[@MsMadmax1]

I've always looked at sexuality and gender identity the same way I look at being left-handed. I'm left-handed; my brain has wired me that way. I didn't choose to be a lefty it's what I am. No one in their right mind would choose to be something that makes life difficult. People are what they are and can't help but be what they are. I'm no scientist that's just my take on it.

[@harrynac6017]

Good one! Btw. In my country in "the good old days" it was not done to be left handed. People learned to write right handed. Something that sounds ridiculous today. Luckily most people in my country see homosexuality as a given today. Something as odd and normal at the same time, as being left handed.

[@erin723]

Spot on analogy. 👌🏻

[@tropicalladyj8033]

Excellent way to help people understand!

[@erinpixton432]

Very well said! (Lefty’s unite!!!!)

[@stacey-dsignwithstacey8291]

You were born the way you weren’t meant to be not the way humans decided we should all be!💗

[@juliepeterson6639]

Thank you Mayim, this is up-lifting and beautiful! Leslie Jordan is an astounding icon. May he sleep in eternal peace, forever.

[@Pechblosm7]

Here after hearing of Leslie's passing today. I hadn't watched this but assumed she had interviewed him knowing of this podcast. Good as expected. Leslie was a gem

[@donaldewert2332]

@@beantrader4723 It is people like you who influence the crazies out there to murder gays!!! I pray for you to be understanding and have empathy!!!

[@gigidodson]

I LOVE Mr. Jordan! That man is amazing. His "well shit" got me through months of quarentine. He is hysterical.

[@jennkerwin4821]

I agree with you Gigi! Leslie Jordan is absolutely Hysterical! If I Leslie is a part of a show I will watch it for the gauranteed homour!

[@sarahbellum4904]

That was a great interview Mayim.

[@jennkerwin4821]

@Leslie Jordan You're Welcome, You Deserve It!

[@jennkerwin4821]

@Leslie Jordan [e-mail]. I check my e-mail daily.

[@fancyellerman]

#i(i

[@lilwing6969]

When he mentioned real and imagined fears.... That really hit home... Had a wonderful therapist say to me, "Just because you FEEL the whole world is against you, doesn't mean it's true". Man, that really made an impact on my way of thinking and putting my feelings in the right context.

[@kimberlywalsh5733]

hit home for me too! i stopped and wrote that down

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE. Learn to align your thoughts & feelings with that which is of God.

[@aprilleighallred8546]

Thank you so much for this! Leslie Jordan was an amazing man and will be terribly missed!

[@carolhubley4765]

I loved this episode. Leslie was a beautiful soul who will be dearly missed. RIP.

[@annedreilleclarete9613]

"You are not alone, you do not have to suffer.." Thank you so much, Mayim and Jonathan for this! ❤️

[@marcsurles2568]

Thank you for sharing this with all of us... What a blessing! How lucky you are to have been a part of his life!

[@SarahSallyMeng]

I am a therapist and will recommend this series to everyone I haven't already recommended it to as well as I love, love, love it myself.

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@jolenemewing8544]

Oh how I loved this! Thank you Mayin for all that you do. And thank you Leslie for leaving us with your bright light. You’ll be sorely missed….

[@gemeralderin]

Leslie is a gem. Thank you, Mayim. This discussion is going to help so many. I am really loving the show.

[@anitahargreaves9526]

I just discovered this, makes a change dealing with intellectual conversation. No conspiracy, no political agenda but sincere, thoughtful opinions. I actually think this has a positive attitude and helps me understand my best friend more.

[@onesunnyday5699]

🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@pamm5287]

@Leslie Jordan Just wanted to say hello & let you know that I absolutely adore you, if this is really Leslie Jordan.💞😘

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@brijmsn]

@@beantrader4723 The only one full of lies here is you. Homosexuality is NOT a choice and it doesn't take much empathy to see that.

[@linseybachko4470]

One of the last times I went to church (also a Baptist church) was when our pastor spoke in his sermon about how God hated all of the homosexuals in New Orleans and that's why he sent Hurricane Katrina there to kill them off. I remember being horrified that he would say such a thing, and even more horrified that so many in the congregation were nodding in agreement. I was raised to believe that we were all created in his image, and to my logic that meant that hating anyone for any reason was to, in turn, hate God. One of the greatest gifts he gave us is the ability to love and it comes with no qualifiers, no exclusions, no restrictions. As Mr. Jordan said, I am currently seeking faith and am finding it in all things from the love we all share on this planet to our remarkable ability to feel and show compassion for those around us. This was a wonderful episode and I hope that anyone watching it does so with an open heart to better understand that though our journeys in life are different we are all united by the fact that we are all moving forward, seeking and exploring and experiencing this world together.

[@sherilynl4038]

my 20 month old son, barely talking full sentences...had never been to a church or even had any religious teachings of any kind over heard his dad and i talking about God in some way non religious way and chimed in...stunned, we both looked at him and said "what do you know about God?" he very sincerely replied "God is in you, God is in me, God is in the trees". (like Duhhhhh) i looked at my husband and said "and THAT is why i don't want him going to a church". i like to think if we just get all the "noise" of it out of the way, we will innately understand all we need to.

[@lorelllasecki8192]

Beautifully Said❣

[@bethteer1509]

@@sherilynl4038 It is Written that we are to be like a Child in our belief in our Creator GOD. Until the last few decades, most children were Extremely Innocent in Worldly ways & far closer to GOD than older children & adults. Today's world has sadly corrupted that Innocence!!! So good to know there's still those children who gave the Innocent Wisdom they were born with!!! Cherish your child's Innocent Wisdom!!!

[@susanfrancis3761]

That's is so wrong of that Pastor to say that! God will judge nobody else should! I don't think being gay is a sin!

[@donnagoodale9105]

I'm so grateful for this episode. What an amazing, open and caring man! His story hits close to home. Thank you Mayim for presenting this

[@sherrylee6719]

My family and I went around the dinner table saying 5 people they would like to have at their next birthday party. Leslie Jordan is my number 1 pick who I would like to have at my birthday party. I love him and I love his story. I'm from the south and he has told stories that have actually happened in our own family. He has brought so much happiness. I love being one of his "friends!"

[@debeichmann236]

This inner glimpse of Leslie makes me adore him even more. Thank you Sir,you are the gem of many tiaras.

[@trishabnot7125]

I loved Mr Bialik!!!! He was my drama teacher at Bancroft JR. High ❤️❤️❤️ He TOTALLY supported my “talent” of singing in the 8th and 9th grade 🥰

[@themaggattack]

How beautiful to be able to support kids like he did, so genuinely, with such empathy and inclusivity. Sounds like you were lucky to have had him as a teacher. And Myam was lucky to have had him as a father. It speaks VOLUMES that she was able to be a child star and still grow up unscathed by the sick entertainment industry. I mean, I'm sure her path hasn't been perfect or anything, but she's been able to advocate for herself (and others), which is usually something child stars are groomed NOT to be able to do. It really seems like her parents protected her from the creeps, and taught her how to protect herself, allowing herself to truly "Blossom". (I had to. 😁🌼)

[@truenews3763]

What the hell does that have to do with this podcast ?

[@BRLambert4]

@@truenews3763 she discussed her father right before she introduced Leslie. She talked of his inclusivity to children who typically would not have engaged in theater.

[@Weirlive]

4:50 is so amazing.. he is 1000% right you can't have an open conversation any more. People have their belief and everything else is wrong... I love this ep and am super happy to have found this channel.

[@leonardogarrido]

This whole podcast and interview were like therapy. I hope more people share it. I knew since I was 5 years old I was different. I'm 41 and I am still struggling with my identity and how it has shaped my life decisions.

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@brijmsn]

@@beantrader4723 Its not a choice unless you are bisexual. Is that why you think this way? Are you bisexual, had these urges and chose to be attracted to what "god" and society wanted you to be attracted to?

[@deborahpetipas9365]

How wonderful to listen and watch this episode. I learned so much. Thank you for your clarity and your expertise together on this podcast. Leslie is one of my favs over the years. I've known so many kids like him over my. 30+ years teaching middle and high school choirs and musical theater. My heart hurts so for them and I've counseled many over the years. I am a conservative Christian and have struggled with the Biblical teachings some along the way. The best thing I've told kids is "God doesn't make junk". "You are wonderful" and "remember if no one tells you I love you". today, remember I do". Life is too precious to waste years fighting against who you are. Again thank you for doing the show!

[@ElizabethFranquiEsq]

Such a great episode. I love that he spent time discussing his recovery journey. He is an American treasure. Thank you!

[@lesliejordan5220]

Thanks for the love! For being a fan!! I wanna appreciate you in particular for being a fan and you should keep supporting me it brings me joy that I'm able to put smiles on your faces and hearts.❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@silviahenriss5260]

I love how excited Mayim gets when talking about the brain!

[@pattymihalek8282]

Me too!

[@beantrader4723]

Then, you should pay more attention to what God says about the brain. When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@alisong826]

This normalizes my feelings. Hearing the contentment with being alone as an adult is so refreshing! I have like 3 friends too 😻😻

[@sidsuridhawan6620]

Hi Mayim, I'm a Bioengineering major at Stanford with an interest in molecular neuroscience who is heading to graduate school and medical school. Your podcast is absolutely phenomenal. I love the way you 'dejargonize' a lot of the terms and information that intimidate people outside the scientific community and convey content with empathy and compassion. The best example of science communication I've seen in the recent past.

[@danithefiend6167]

I wish you all the luck in school! You seem very intelligent.

[@jonathancohen4774]

Thanks so much for listening

[@markmacatee4602]

I quite honestly don’t know where to begin. There is just so much about this topic that I would love to discuss with you. Thank you. Thank you. I am 54, gay, a recovering alcoholic, a recovering Catholic, clinically depressed (possibly unipolar), medicated, and have been with my partner for 31 years. I was an alcoholic by 22 trying desperately to forget I was gay. I stopped drinking and got into therapy (for about 25 years). So many people think that if you stop drinking the problem is solved. That is so untrue. The drinking is the symptom, not the underlying issue. I have never found my way back to organized religion but am constantly trying to help,others and be my best me. I used to think about killing myself every day for decades until my partner got me to finally ask for medication. It was a hard struggle to,find the right one, but I made it. You mentioned that many think a pill is a cure all. It is not. It is a tool to use to help (as you said) bridge the gap. It is a tool just like the tools learned in therapy and the tools you use in the garden. People need to know that asking for help is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of strength demonstrating that you have the courage to obtain the tools necessary to fight your way out of that dark lonely place and be the amazing, beautiful incredible gift that each and every one of us is in the world. Sorry for going on and on, but this is something about which I feel so passionately about that any chance I get I want to shout it from the rooftops. Anyway, I’m done. BTW, I saw the first episode of your new show and can’t wait until it becomes more about your character and less a repeat of Miranda (which I love). You and Miranda Hart are two completely different actresses and, in my humble opinion, you shine most in this show in all of the scenes that were not directly pulled from Miranda. I wish you so much luck with your show and Breakdown. You are truly a gift to the world in all your incarnations.

[@MichoacanaRobertson]

You’re truly brave, and so spot on on your learnings from your life. Love you 🥰

[@anitahargreaves9526]

I applaud you, you show a depth of character, that is lacking with many 🇬🇧 Well Done ✔

[@danielledumont6536]

I do agree. I am so sorry for what you have had to deal with. I am a Catholic, but your sexual identity is none of my business.It shouldn't be anyone's. I have friends that are, well not sure these days what to call anyone. But, they have same sex partners.As to Mayim, absolutely she needs to make this show her own. She is amazing.

[@monicapeters7903]

I am so very impressed with your self awareness. that you are on a positive path. i have PTSD and depression and anxiety and I am not gay or trying to deal with an alternate lifestyle. my belief is that to thine own self be true. GOD is the only one you have to answer to because most judgmental people have shit of their own while they are in other peoples business. to thine own self be true. You are not alone.

[@bebeveritas7306]

God Bless you, for working on yourself and not giving up, for a 31 year relationship and for sharing, it helps so many!

[@graphix81]

R.I.P. Leslie Jordan, your fun, bright, and colorful Spirit will be missed by so many! 🌈

[@Songs-lr4wt]

I'm glad that you did this....Rip Leslie

[@BrookieWookieBee]

My brother was teased mercilessly for being gay when we were kids in the 80's. He was just a kid and thought nothing was wrong with liking Barbies, playing dress up and tea party. My parents let us play however we liked. I used to stand between him and bullies in elementary school. My brother learned what gay was when he was teased and thought it was a bad thing. He spent his life up into his mid twenties thinking this. He came out to himself in his early 20s and to the rest of us in his late 20s. I love my brother and just feel so bad for what he went through. When my kid came out to me they still faced bullying but came out when they were 12 and knew they would be accepted.

[@lisawilliams2013]

Respect. Thanks for being an amazing sibling and parent. 🙏🏼🏳️‍🌈❤️

[@kylorenthehusky2584]

Yay Brook!!

[@PeggyStentzCasey]

@Lisa Williams That is the same exact message I got from Leslie Jordan and I am convince that this is not the real one. He even sent me DMs. I think that is his account, but I think he has been hacked.

[@PeggyStentzCasey]

@thelesliejordan Thank you Leslie! you are the best!

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@lisamcneil5767]

I am a straight woman, and with that said I can't tell you how much I needed to hear this. My head space is a bit low energy this made me feel better and reminds me I'm not alone. I am also an empathy, I need to remind myself is my feelings my own or from the energy around me. Excepting all that we are including our differences is a beautiful thing. Thank you for sharing, you beautiful people!

[@calisongbird]

*empath

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@robinedwards8796]

Aw!!! I'll miss this man. He was one of those actors that I could watch in anything. His voice with that southern drawl is so comforting.

[@EveryHandleIsTaken979]

Thank you for this interview! He was such a light! And he was aspirational! My aspiration watching him was to always try to find that spark of joy even when it’s a hard thing to do! He was home with his elderly mom during Covid and he just brought light no matter what darkness was happening in the world.

[@MegaBurnzie]

This was fantastic. I just accidentally happened upon this and thought it was another tv show promo. Thank you. You are fantastic. Leslie and I are ten year different in age. But I arrived in LA in 86 and very quickly got involved in activism regarding the issues that the LGBTQ COMMUNITIES INJUSTICES that years later we are still dealing with........We have made great strides through the years but still have MUCH WORK TO DO. This was wonderful. I have a been a fan for years. Even more of a fan now. Be well. Stay Well.

[@abbiebroussard3220]

What a beautiful way to acknowledge human beings who have suffered for centuries. Being Cherokee and gay, this has become an issue as well. Gay people long ago in the Cherokee tribe and many others were considered two spirited and a blessing to the tribe. They were councilors and sought-after for spiritual advice and now because of other influences we are now pushed aside and considered an abomination; however, there are those in the tribe who still consider us a blessing and that is awesome.

[@brianbaron6847]

So love the idea of two spirited .

[@dixiechampagne2892]

I saw a TEDx recently that discussed the historical significance of gay people in societies and the notion of them being a blessing to their "tribes" was seen as especially beneficial during difficult times. Blessed Be!

[@debbiesavage7107]

That’s awesome!

[@elizabethheyenga9277]

So much of what native americans understand is beautiful. I wish we'd never invaded their beautiful land, everyone would have been better off

[@dyanalynn6698]

The word abomination is one of the worst words in the English language isn’t it…and when it’s used to describe people who simply want to love who they want it’s even uglier…

[@mickithompson5888]

I had the immense good fortune to work with Leslie Jordan through North Carolina Pride and Human Rights Campaign back in 2009/2010. He was exactly what he portrayed in this interview, charming, lightning-fast wit, gracious, and unbelievably kind. News of his passing was shocking and so sad, and watching this interview was just beyond uplifting. I can only imagine how much this had to hurt Mayim and Jonathan since he passed so soon after this podcast went online. Much love to you all, and fly free with that sparkling baton, dear Leslie.

[@shirleyrhodes3741]

I cried for days. After the pandemic, I felt like I knew Leslie as well as any of my friends. I still miss him. RIP Leslie!!

[@sessaraquel1]

Mayim, it’s awesome what your dad did with his drama department!! I’m sure you’re very proud of him and vice Versa. He really truly is a blessed memory! 💕💕

[@Pronchick1]

Thank you so much Mayim and Jonathan for your interview with Leslie Jordan! I’ve been a fan of his IG posts this past year and now feel blessed to know him as an amazing human being. Beautiful interview! 👏🏻

[@fureveryoungfarm3752]

I never knew this channel existed. My love of Leslie brought me here after his passing. I can't imagine the lose his friends and family feel. What a beautiful soul.

[@lj9524]

Rest in peace dear man. 🙏 Mr Leslie Jordan brought so much laughter and joy through his gifts.

[@2323Linz]

Love this podcast, love the empathy, love the education, love love love it all! But that Leslie Jordan is the most open honest, sweet, kind hearted, hilariously beautiful person. I’m grateful for you all!

[@velmacoffey3763]

What a great guest. Leslie Jordan speaks for so many!!♥️

[@sofuggit]

I have GOT to meet Leslie some day. I just love him. So fabulous.

[@sofuggit]

@thelesliejordan You're so welcome :)

[@cindiwade-mitchell7927]

I’m so glad we got to experience this! 😢RIP my fellow Tennessean🙏🏼💕

[@GregM-pf8pq]

Mayim, I just found your podcast, and am loving it! I love listening to stories such as Leslie’s. We all have one! They are truly beautiful portraits for us to love, admire and influence our own creations. ❤️ Thank you for sharing his many colors!

[@hairdresser1300]

I LOVE Leslie. He delivers a message with humor. I learned so much from this interview.Can't wait to view this new show you two are involved in

[@555pghbob]

Mayim, I love your intellect so much. You are so insightful as well as compassionate and I appreciate you so much! Thank you for being who you are.

[@gnorman8852]

I got here by looking for more info on Leslie. But was so happy to learn about Mayim's podcast. Then the topic was so interesting. Thank you, thank you all!

[@erinchandler1]

Love Leslie so very much... he was a dear friend for thirty years and I adore him always always until we meet again on the other side! Thank you for your kindness and your brilliance, I'm so glad Leslie was with you so much toward the end of his extraordinary life.

[@tkdpower1]

Thank you, Mayim. You have been a virtual friend for life, and Leslie is a role model.

[@TinyTotPropShop]

My son walked in while I was watching this... "hey! That's the guy from Call me Kat.,." I said "yes, that's Leslie Jordan. "He follows up with "Ah, and that's the legend herself Kat!" Soooo Mayim, according to my 7 year old son, you are a legend

[@TinyTotPropShop]

@bigpink pencil He started talking at a pretty young age and hasn't stopped since. His vocabulary impresses me almost daily! :)

[@jazminratzlaff5357]

One of my top fave interviews of Mayim’s podcast, love Mayim, Jonathan and Leslie Jordan. What a fabulous talented comedic talent and sweet kind gentleman. Gone way too soon, he is forever missed, loved and remembered. 😍😘🥰🤩🌟✨❤️♥️🎙️🎧😆 😇 ♾️ 🧠

[@melaniefisher8823]

I am not a gay person, or even a person with a confused identity, but there are a lot of points made here that are helpful to me and my brain. Thank you for this episode ❤. I need to do some thinking, and put a few things to work in my life. Bless you and Jonathan and Leslie for this episode. Everyone should take advantage of the little drops of wisdom given here. XOXO

[@nexussever]

You took the words right off of my keyboard.

[@nedanother9382]

getting moved off "your spot" even a little, is awesome. Its growing. Great points were made here but most importantly see the person rather than the group. You will never go wrong

[@danithefiend6167]

I agree, Melanie.

[@nicolewilliams2468]

I love this reply. ❤️❤️❤️

[@gypsyman1967]

As a woman of transgender experience.. I would just like to add that our identity is not confused. We know who we are.

[@warmchapters]

57:32 “from your mouth to our Higher Power’s ears” I love how Mayim is respectful about religion and truly listened to everything Leslie said about it 🤩

[@sirpercarde709]

I think she was talking about the network.

[@rachelgrig9985]

She meant the managers of the show.

[@johncrespeno9157]

OMG! I watched this wonderful video again because it was so outstanding only to have a CNN alert drop down from the top of the screen to announce that Leslie Jordan was killed in a car crash. My heart is still pounding. He gave us so much pleasure and opened our eyes and minds to how everyone’s lives can be so different but you have to work to put it all in perspective. God love him. ❤😢

[@conniecoffee8372]

Such a great, funny man! Leslie Jordan you are Greatly missed.

[@leslie.dixon.]

Thank you! You have no idea how much your show means to me! Leslie Jordan is my favorite human. It is so good to hear his story. 💕

[@lesliejordan5220]

Thanks for the love! For being a fan!! I wanna appreciate you in particular for being a fan and you should keep supporting me it brings me joy that I'm able to put smiles on your faces and hearts.❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@creech444]

Grew up in a very, very conservative area of the South. My family had actually founded the local baptist church generations ago. The only gay person I had as a role model was this older gentleman who was from a very prominent local family who when they found out he was gay sent him off to the local mental hospital for shock therapy. Then they kinda warehoused him off in a little house way off the beaten path, if you ever ran into him it was obvious his brain was completely fried. So growing up thinking I might be gay I was terrified that this was what I was facing. Played sports, had a girlfriend, did everything I could not to be that. When I went off t college and kinda got out in the world I just couldn't deny it anymore. But it did get me disowned and I had to leave home and school. Found out much later there were several gay people in my high school, all terrified of being found out, like the quarterback in the year ahead of me. I did go through a short "born again" phase thinking my problems were that i just wasn't praying hard enough or my faith was deep enough. The problem though isn't religion so much though as the culture of religion, especially in the south. the problem with homosexuality is cultural, just using weak religious arguments to justify that homophobia. I'm very CIS though, which often seems to really scare people more. They're ok with a gay person if they're very effeminate since it makes it easier for some people to dismiss them as "sissies" but a masci;ome gay person that seems "normal" makes them uncomfortable. All that heteronormative classification stuff is BS now anyhow. I remember once as a kid trying on my mom's dress and shoes and looking in the mirror thinking "mmm, I don't think so" but I"m probably lucky my mom wasn't more of a snazzy dresser, I don't think any gay kid has tried on a pair of sensible shoes and a frumpy farmer's wife outfit and thought "mmmm, yeah, that's who I want to be."

[@francescaa8331]

Haha that last part. Whole comment was great.

[@EliCrousey]

❤️❤️❤️

[@themaggattack]

As a chubby bisexual with bunions, I definitely tried on a sensible pair of shoes and a frumpy dress and said that's who I want to be! 💯 'Frumpy' dresses? I think you spelled 'comfy' wrong! 😆 (Although we have radically different clothing preferences, I really appreciated your heartfelt post. The bit of humor at the end was a nice touch.)

[@dixiechampagne2892]

I don't think anyone of any identity has ever tried on a frumpy farmer's wife outfit and thought "Yep, this is my jam". I did once don some granny-ankle hosiery and orthopedic shoes and say "Oh yeah, this is it", but I was assembling an Church Lady Halloween costume, so there's that...

[@lizzie1897]

So confusing for the women dating gays…

[@valeriestolper7570]

Mayim, I am so in awe of your incredibly knowledgeable, well expressed and compassionate views. 😭💖Thank you for, well....YOU!! We need more people like you to educate the masses with empathy and brilliance. UGH, you’re amazing 😘🙏🏼

[@audreykavanaugh8589]

Your conversation with Leslie Jordon was wonderful. Thank you to all three of you but especially Leslie. Love that guy.

[@carrielopez1728]

I wish I could be best friends with Leslie. I adore him ❤️

[@kathicarlisle995]

I've always said that. He would be so much fun to hang out with. I just love him!!!❤💜💛

[@kathicarlisle995]

@@lesliejordan5220 Thank you so much for replying to me. That means so much!! I'm from southern Indiana.

[@sexyspirit2323]

ME TOO!! ♥︎

[@jodiewhitham6850]

I want more of Leslie! He deems like he has lots of wise words and so much more to say ☺️

[@beantrader4723]

you think? When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.

[@risqueblue420]

I have grown up watching both Leslie and Mayim almost my whole life! A world without Leslie is hard to bare! He shall never be forgotten!!!

[@coleleigh9431]

oh man

[@sarachazindonaldson909]

This was BRILLIANT! And funny. And honest. Simply beautiful.

[@saraharclerode5207]

Can I just say... I needed this today! Blessings for all being so real and vulnerable.

[@lesliejordan5220]

Thanks for the love! For being a fan!! I wanna appreciate you in particular for being a fan and you should keep supporting me it brings me joy that I'm able to put smiles on your faces and hearts.❤️❤️❤️

[@milliehicks7436]

I'll sure miss him! A beautiful soul and bright light is gone, but will not be forgotten!! 😭💔

[@yolandaneely6431]

Leslie is just awesome! As a good southerner tells the truth with such grace.

[@beantrader4723]

When we start accepting lies, we stop recognizing the truth. Dedicated sinners live by their own rules, "they become a law unto themselves". God said, "Homosexuals, Adulterers, fornicators, murderers, liars, thieves, blasphemers, gossipers, usurpers, nor idol worshipers will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (because sin is not OF God, evil is OF Satan). God set down laws, commands, teachings, & judgements, taught man what was allowed & what was forbidden, & WHY, then told man to CHOOSE to whom he would serve; good or evil, right or wrong, God or Satan. It's a CHOICE. It's impossible for God to contradict himself, therefore, it's impossible for God to create humankind into something that he calls an abomination! Is God a liar? OR is man a liar? We are made in the image of God (in thought, word & action). We are to imitate God in the ways he taught us through the Bible. We are to live our lives AS it is in Heaven, not AS it is in Hell. IT'S A CHOICE.