LET'S ARGUE: EDM Will Never Be Mainstream

[@3Ggian]

where the hell was this guy when the charts were full of artists like Avicii, Martin Garrix, Zedd, David Guetta, Calvin Harris, etc.

[@Hevvvyyy]

Shout out to his family 🫡

[@cyinic]

​@@Hevvvyyy shoutout to you man

[@donmach6458]

KPOP EDM too is extremely popular as of today

[@aeswds7575]

@@Hevvvyyy this record is dedicated to george floyd

[@ImpendingRiot83]

Probably in a crib, dude must’ve legit been a baby if he didn’t see any of the many, _many_ mainstream producers. lol

[@NaikoArt]

BRUH THE 2010s was PURE EDM domination this dude crazy

[@jazzfeline5970]

I'm guessing the person who made comment is

[@ПлутаркоФарше]

He probably lives in another dimension

[@s1ckboy_1]

EDM is for gen z

[@jeboidss6420]

​@@jazzfeline5970 I'm from 2006 and I lived through edm domination the whole radio were shitty pop songs with an underwhelming drop

[@GodEmperor_]

@@s1ckboy_1 EDM is more Milllennial in my opinion, Trap is more Gen Z.

[@chrisjfox8715]

As far as I'm concerned, EDM most definitely was mainstream in the 2010s. What the status of it is now, I'm not so sure

[@HruaiaVaiphei3]

It still definitely is mainstream through kpop. Artists like Marshmello are still very popular today as well

[@mariokarter13]

Depending on how you classify EDM, the late 2000's club boom was literally the most mainstream you could get.

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

Like, we didn’t forget about the time when dubstep was literally everywhere.

[@grahamreece519]

EDM was so mainstream that it thoroughly infiltrated popular music and is now indistinguishable from a big chunk of it.

[@LordofDiamondsMetal]

it was huge for like 3 years and then just died real quick

[@h1dd3n56]

Bruh whoever thinks EDM was never mainstream literally lives under spectrum service towers

[@RastusSoup]

Lmaooooooooooo Fr though

[@ztker]

YO LOL

[@s1ckboy_1]

EDM is trash it can be used for any reason and it can also make you look like an old person who has a lot to learn from it but it can also help with your depression or depression or anxiety or anxiety and it is also good to know you are a better man and that you’re a better man because of it so it’s a lot of different people that are going to have to learn from your past mistakes but it’s a good way of learning from them so it’s not that you have a lot to do and you can learn to do better but it’s a good thing you can do it for yourself it’s just a good way for yourself it’s a great thing you have a lot to do better than what you’re going through but it’s a lot more than you have a better life is not good enough to do it but EDM helps people who have to be better people who have been there are many things you can be good enough for them to do better and that’s the best for them and you have to do it to you are the people who have been around you are a lot of things you are the best people who have done a good person you have a good life and they have been there are a few good things to be around people who have worked for me I have a a good life I am not the one who is the bad guy but you have a better chance to get through it than me because you have to do what I have done and I will be there to do what you want and you have a better job I am the one that I can help me with that you have the money you are a better than what I have to be honest I have no one to do it for me I am not a bad guy and you have a better man and you have to do better and you are a better man I will do better than that you have to do it you have a good job you have to be good and I will be the one who will do better than me I am a better man you have to do what I have a good man you have to give you a good job I will be your best man and you have a great day I will do what I will be a better man I am not not the best person but you have a better life and you will get through this I am the better man and you are better and I am the bigger better person I will always love and you will always have the better man and you have the better person you will always have your back I am your friend I am your mom I will be with my family I am a better man and you have your own life you will be a good man I will be a great man I am your father I will always love and you will be my son I am your brother I will be my father I will always will always will always will and you will always will I am a better man and you will never ever forget that you will be a man of your heart will always will forever will always will never ever change I am the only one who is a man and you have always been my son and you will be a great man I am not the only person who is is the one that will always love me I am not your only one who will always be the only person that I am the love of your heart I am your mother I am the one that I love and always love and always be with my children I am always will be with my family I am always the love that I have and always is I will be always will always love and be always with my children but you are not always with my heart I am not the only person who will be with you I will never forget that

[@tittlemanscrest420]

💀

[@cardellino5342]

Those people enjoy Minimal Techno (Berliner Plinky-Ploink), IDM and Merzbow.

[@cogito919]

This is one of my favorite let’s argue segments ever that take on pissing sitting down is hysterical and fantastic

[@hellbach8879]

The editing on that section was fucking gold

[@nicoquota]

@@hellbach8879 giggling the entire time

[@cksupreme]

Indeed, he really took the piss out of that piss-take.

[@katyamishka5627]

Melon 🍈 is funny

[@daniellavaladez7820]

That part had me rolling

[@chadarmyman5000]

It's been mainstream in Europe for like 35 years

[@sunfish9341]

americans really need to step up when it comes to EDM lol. let Illenium and Skrillex lead us into the next phase

[@antonknuhtsen865]

😂

[@spark9_]

pissing sitting down?

[@SonnyMeadows]

Right.

[@DistrictWitch]

thank you, also why did americans decide the need to call it 'electronic dAnCe MuSic' - it's just ELECTRONIC MUSIC, or DANCE MUSIC, aaAAAAA lol, they just have to acronymise everything don't they? It's strange how infuriating it is when americans ruin other cultures music, they really do go at it with some full force ability to claim they created it somehow, at the same time as turning it to sh*t. Oh god that just reminded me of the 'candy kidz' - those americans that saw europes rave scene and then tried to copy it with candy-bracelets for some reason. God. We just need to stop allowing them to dictate western culture, really. Hasn't gone well.

[@longlivebeans]

Musicals make me uncomfortable. I don’t know why but the only way I can describe it is the overwhelming feeling of dread that washes over your body anytime you have to watch a sex scene with your parents.

[@prototypeproud9095]

Beautifully put

[@megadouche]

Same, I love theater and music but the two together? No thanks.

[@robbiedubbelman3024]

Watch Singing In The Rain... It's a fun story with good music and great dancing

[@Lucarioguild7]

I love the absurdity of musicals

[@allenbell1427]

I mean I generally agree but you gotta agree that the Sound of Music is a fucking certified BANGER

[@lewt187]

Disco didn't die, it became House. Jack had a groove, and from this groove came the groove of ALL grooves.

[@maitele]

Let there be house.

[@WiloPolis03]

Disco just became one of those genres that'll pop up every now and then from popular artists, without ever really having a true second wave, and beyond that it just influences a ton of stuff like you said

[@cardellino5342]

Or Hi-NRG.

[@blakeunderwood1075]

I love that sample.

[@PsychedelicPenne]

The editing on this one is particularly funny. Kudos Also Cal technically appears in this video. I give the editor credit for that. Double Kudos

[@JaredSoSunny]

Edm is so diverse, what a take to say it will never be mainstream 😂

[@stevesk8r]

Ambient House should be mainstream

[@pricklycatsss]

Most pop is literally just EDM if you take away the vocals. EDM basically trumps every other genre by default.

[@jacoblacey7851]

Hopping on AOTY is like having a conversation with your best friend you haven't seen in ages when you bump into them in the tortilla isle of a Smiths, and RYM is asking that same friend to go to dinner to "catch up" where you have to pretend to enjoy your 50 dollar ribeye whilst enduring his stories of his church mission to Chile

[@Vanashido]

Viva Chile conchetupicoooooooo

[@prajwaljayaraj5887]

This is so oddly specific that I feel mind-boggled

[@acheez-it6999]

I 110% agree

[@dimwitted-fool]

I understand that this is a bit but I truly have no fucking idea what you mean by this

[@phenethylamines]

This is such a fire and overtly Utah take

[@afrofantom6631]

To say that edm would never be mainstream makes you a daft punk

[@hawtdawg877]

Perfectly put, except... don't ever abuse their name like that again

[@ASCENSiON_]

As an AOTY user, it can get toxic every now and then. All it usually takes is Brad Taste dropping one review before people start getting mad in the comments.

[@ringer1324]

Yup it’s awful I love it

[@cyinic]

As an AJR fan it is very sad 😭

[@super6070]

@@cyinic I don’t think AJR gets love in any music review site

[@Salad531]

I agree but damn that’s my experience on literally any album page on rym

[@cyinic]

@@super6070 I know 😭😭

[@Deifus]

Saying EDM will never be mainstream is like, the rage comic with the guy eating cereal and then spitting the cereal after realizing the truth

[@boblanaranja]

Fantano's opinion on Disco is the one realest takes I've heard. It's such an important genre, you hear its influence nearly everywhere in modern music. Anyone who dismisses it is crazy.

[@sasukesarutobi3862]

Always love to see Anthony repping GUA IGN. Such an underrated artist.

[@Nicksterbruh]

7:38 I find this really funny now considering there’s a track off the new Jack Harlow album that does in fact sample Stereolab

[@HMz83]

The AlbumOfTheYear vs RateYourMusic comparison was 100% spot on.

[@treysonmcgrady4750]

One thing not taken into account is the live music scene in terms of “mainstream-ness”. I may be biased because I tend to mostly go to raves/festivals, but EDM shows are some of the best produced and highest attended of any shows I’ve been to, and it gets a consistent rabid audience to continue going. In my area alone there are minimum 4 really big 2-3 day shows a year plus a dozen smaller 1-2 day events that bring in the biggest names in EDM. Not sure if that can make something “mainstream” or not, but it is most certainly popular.

[@robbiedubbelman3024]

EDM is as mainstream as can be... It's common denominator music... Anyone can get it because of the bombastic 4 on the floor that grounds it. I have never heard an EDM song that challenged my ears or conception of what music can be. It's just "boom boom boom" and I always imagine cannons going off shooting confetti+pyrotechinics while a mass of white people on some fucking field in Europe are jumping up and down and throwing their hands up the air in that way, you know that way, that fucking EDM arm and hand dance that they've all been doing since 2010 😒...

[@teriyakigringo]

Are you in socal? Just making that guess lol

[@shawn6970]

going to other festivals really made me appreciate how organized these big (and small) edm events really are

[@peaceofpie94]

I don’t have the money to attend festivals and such but I desperately hope to one day attend a Porter Robinson show. Even just watching videos here show me gorgeous, ethereal production

[@matthewtaylor4992]

Edm (evil dance music)

[@birkobird]

would listen tbh

[@gurnwallace]

merzbeat

[@ombrenightcores]

Another episode of Fantano having different facial hair and t shirts every take

[@ZachBobBob]

Bruh I literally didn't even notice till I read this comment

[@mr.morale2022]

That Daft Punk x Slayer shirt goes fucking HARD

[@waywardlaser]

Didn't this guy live through the 2010s???? EDM was HUUUUUGE

[@aubreamber]

"EDM Will Never Be Mainstream" the 2010s are calling!

[@bigbrothertw]

i think you mean the dimes

[@DistrictWitch]

aaah this comment section is hurting my soul lol - it was MAINSTREAM in europe in the f*cking 80s, all the way through the 90s, and even into like late 00s. It's so strange to me that the gay black rave scene INVENTED techno and house, and then just casually let it die, meanwhile europe grabbed it by the balls.

[@aubreamber]

@@DistrictWitch ..mainstream in the United States

[@DistrictWitch]

@@aubreamber yep, i.e America is far too self centric to the point of not even UNDERSTANDING the world outside of their hellhole reality

[@breezytrash9218]

I hate how I understood everything he said about going to the bathroom despite it being censored

[@rossrobbins7707]

Ahh, Smashing Pumpkins. Back in like 1997 I had a website called The Church of Billy Corgan. (in my defense, I was 14)-but yeah, I was obsessed with that band. Really a drag to discover that my one-time hero turned out to be a giant flaming douche. Oh, well, I'll always have Siamese Dream, Gish, Pisces Iscariot, Mellon Collie, and yes, Adore. I loved Adore!

[@thesnagglewolf]

If I'd know about that website I would have been on it. I was the same. I'm always kinda hoping they have a comeback especially when Jimmy is involved but man that last album sucked so hard.

[@rixbyte7438]

the first tweet must have been born after 2015 because edm was mainstream back then

[@sonikku956]

The hell is that first person on about? Like Anthony said, EDM was extremely mainstream for decades now. The second electro (not electro house, electro, which is a far older genre from the late 70s/early 80s) and Hi-NRG disco became a thing, EDM has been consistently on the charts for over 40 years.

[@WiloPolis03]

Electrohouse is one of the worst named electronic music genres tbh. Like not just because electronic music genres are obsessed with using the same prefixes and suffixes over and over again (electro, house, future, wave, etc), but the music that falls under it is neither electro nor really house

[@WiloPolis03]

That aside I agree with this take. Electronic dance music covers a ton of ground

[@sameerdodger]

@@WiloPolis03 this. when you're outside of America EDM refers to these 'electro-' genres, prog house, deadmau5, skrillex, big commercial festival music. music without a groove lol. whereas the other side is just referred to as club/dance music is like techno, house, jungle, dnb, garage etc - the more musical, danceable and cultured side. OP is wrong when they say 'electro-house is a far older genre from the 70s/80s', it's funny how completely un cultured the average EDM listener is. And i really am trying not to sound elitist or a snob, they're just f*cking wrong lol.

[@blackdog661]

​@@sameerdodger OP is talking about 80'-85' Electro; NY acts like Man Parrish, Warp 9, Jonzun Crew, Egyptian Lover, Newcleus, Afrika Bambaataa and Cybertron.

[@sonikku956]

@@sameerdodger You didn't read what I said. I said "The second electro (not electro house, electro, which is a far older genre from the late 70s/early 80s)", which implies I'm talking about ELECTRO music. I'm not saying electro house is from the late 70s-early 80s, I'm saying electro, or as its sometimes known electro-funk, is significantly older and reached mainstream success in the hands of Afrika Bambaataa, Kraftwerk, and other electro artists of the time.

[@dontgivetwothwips3615]

Disco never died, it just evolved! A wise man once said, “ Disco, uh, finds a way”

[@mcmcnair97]

Its such a good RE the sampling/copyright point. You always think how good it would be for the smaller artist but you just know major labels would use it to kick smaller artists even more

[@DJ-Ophidian]

I had never considered it this way around. I think it’s scarily accurate. The big guys ripping off creative niche scenes already happens a lot, but without the laws they’d do it all the time with 0 effort.

[@johnnyterra1309]

Yeah. While this is all true, don't forget who setup these laws in the us: people from big labels and music industry experts. These "sampling" restrictions have already been setup to make more sense for big then for small artists. To leave all laws out would def. Do damage to any artist out there but to say that the laws applied right now are good and only for the artists best interest....that ignorant. Haha Seriously. Try to get a sample cleared as a small artists....it's almost impossible.

[@BIGpony777]

mang is been a few years since ive watched you and i needed these chill ass random videos in my life again ty. i used to lie and tell people i met you when i was younger id say i went up behind you and just put my hand on your head. they all believed that you were chill af about it

[@pearcebernhd]

EDM is one of the most universal sounds palatable to everyone worldwide to at least some degree.

[@170AndBeyond]

As a BIG fan of Tennis, I agree with you. I love the new album, and although I think it sounds slightly different than their other albums, I think the sound has sort of run it's course.

[@suites.74]

They should go more into kitchy and cheezy imo. Thats where theyre the best. Full on 70s grocery store please

[@170AndBeyond]

Yeah, that’s what they set out to do when they created the project.

[@goldengrill769]

The singer went way too insane with Streisand vibes it got disgusting to look at like you don't need to have a 18 inch pron 70s bush and a gigantic afro on your head and wear platforms and wear tight cut cleavage with your aged 40+ yo looking body to make some sort of point about how the old days were better than today.

[@calliope_x3]

AOTY is so so so much better than RYM it's insane. the culture is nicer, the 0-100 rating system is literally 10x more expressive than RYM's, you can have short reviews and no one cares, there's a general sense of humor to it as opposed to RYM's heavily enforced dead serious tone, and it just visually looks better. the only real downside is that it has way less people on it (and even that is arguably a positive)

[@zacharywoloszynski4258]

I agree, AOTY feels more like a community with running jokes and recognizable users and shit.

[@Warnerchild]

it has more people if you compare amount of reviews

[@ricochetsixtyten]

Adore is an amazing album, how can you not love For Martha, Annie Dog, Ava Adore, Perfect, many amazing songs.

[@blob_cancel_aftercast]

honestly what the fuck is that take

[@ricochetsixtyten]

@@blob_cancel_aftercast Considering how shit they became after Adore I stand by that take.

[@blob_cancel_aftercast]

@@ricochetsixtyten i meant the take in the video, I love adore

[@CP-zn2mg]

Gish-Adore is one of the best album runs of all time

[@colmd7680]

In the UK EDM has been mainstream since late 80s. During the periods in the 90s and early 00s it represented around a third of the best selling songs

[@julietalozano-ramsay8511]

About musicals! First off all everyone should def check out sideways if u like film scoring, musicals, video essays, and just music in general. Secondly, I totally get that reviewing musicals is a totally dif thing but I have to say for all the musical haters out there…. I’m sure there’s a musical for you! If you out don’t the tap dance I got rhythm type or the quirky modern teen type or the super dramatic dark comedy type or blah blah…. There’s always more. Even in mainstream there’s like bluegrass musicals and shit. Its gotten way more diverse. It’s def an art form that requires some commitment and suspension of disbelief but if you go international or indie u can find some awesome shit that suits you. Even If you don’t fall in love with theatre, or rather, musicals as a medium, I’ve seen even huge haters able to at least appreciate the art and enjoy some aspects . Also I think everyone cries listening to les mis anniversary concert wall of sound lol. Plus there’s some great comedies, even the South Park boys wrote a musical and obviously there’s Mel brooks and many many many more. Try out hadestown if you want a mainstream musical that’s a bit less pop but still very accessible

[@kJ922-h3j]

In the 90s and early 2000s in Europe with the variations Eurodance it was very mainstream

[@eoinroche3447]

The best thing about these videos if he puts the first question in the title

[@sampsqwantch4612]

THIS

[@nopenope7654]

Some of my favorite memories are chugging coffee and chain-smoking cigs while falling into user lists rabbit holes on RYM. Good times

[@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield]

I’ve had similar late night sessions on the Steve Hoffman forums when I want to get more in depth on older periods of music, mainly 20s-50s era blues and jazz.

[@nopenope7654]

@@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield sounds pretty incredible and comfy

[@phillipbell4394]

I don't know if EDM heads want to claim Black Eyed Peas anymore, but growing up The E.N.D was inescapeable. Like if that's not mainstream, then I don't know what is.

[@Noirlore]

10:45 AOTY kills your laptop battery somehow, plus has too many ads, plus the search bar is trash. But outside that, it’s better

[@anastasius2805]

over half of the songs that topped the charts in the early and mid-2010s were either full edm or at least influenced by it

[@winterv.4715]

I guess the guy arguing about EDM never being “mainstream” forgot that Daft Punk made an electronic score from Tron Legacy, which is a DISNEY film.

[@superzrod7723]

The song Kiss on the roses first line is “there used to be a greying tower alone on the sea” There is a rose sprouting out of a tower and that’s why it’s a kiss from a rose on the gray

[@cooperschulze7661]

The two best takes I’ve ever seen about pumpkins. I always loved those early records so much

[@tylerhackner9731]

That opening bass is everything

[@6amsunset_]

just went on AOTY for the first time and its refreshing like,, good albums have actual good rates instead of people giving it 1.5 stars just because it doesnt sound like r*diohead

[@LoraCoggins]

I had a professor who said that EDM was not true electronic music because it had to be something that couldn't be replicated by other instruments. Like he said an EDM song can be replicated through an orchestral arrangement. Bruh. I have never been so confused by a professor in my entire life. Every student said he was wrong. Every one of us.

[@notgarybusey]

I don’t understand that at all. Does he mean it can’t have intentional pitch? If that’s the case, the dubstep, a type of EDM, is true electronic music, and also don’t orchestral percussion instruments exist? I don’t understand your professor at all.

[@TheShmileyDawg]

Here's a hot take: Anthony Fantano opens up this segment with the most simple, by-the-numbers bass chords because if he did something crazy with it he would blow our minds. I know he's hiding his true power, lets see some crazy Steve Harris gallops or something on that thing.

[@div7624]

I can't stand musicals. When someone makes me watch one I'm just, eyes rolling into the back of my head the entire time. I can't help it.

[@blantant]

Same

[@joevb4635]

I guess Purity Ring just scratches that itch for me. It gives me such ethereal joy that it is confusing for me that others aren’t feeling it. My wife just looks at me like I’m from the moon when I’m vibing to it. I’ve wondered if it has tones like in a dog whistle that others just can’t hear.

[@scoopmaloop3203]

Thanks, I relate way too hard to this. XD

[@goh02]

EDM run 2009-2014 was the last good peak of mainstream music. Daft Punk, Calvin Harris, David Guetta, Avicci, Skriller, Zedd, Martin Solveig, Steve Oaki, Jack U, Armin Van Buuren and more and more. Dude, you can’t hide back them. Really funny times.

[@WiloPolis03]

I feel like it hasn't been long enough to declare a 6-year period of time that ended less than a decade ago "the last good peak of mainstream music"

[@johnmaldonado2974]

Daft Punk is French House tho lol

[@WiloPolis03]

@@johnmaldonado2974 That's arguably a form of EDM, everyone has a slightly different definition of EDM

[@goldenirie]

​@@johnmaldonado2974 their last album was quite the evolution of French house, just like Justice

[@Viper-dz2kw]

HARD disagree the mainstream edm period was awful, popular music has finally recovered to an acceptable standard after like 10 years

[@huntergalloway3944]

When they make the Arrested Development Musical you’ll be a perfect Tobias.

[@LitCactus]

You know who would play the perfect Tobias? David Cross

[@unhelpfulrevelations7989]

That Jack Harlow Stereolab prediction can't be a coincidence

[@rtredz]

We deserve more tasty bass licks outside of the ‘let’s argue’ videos

[@jasonbraun127]

Why does everything have to be the best thing of all time with some people? Can't you just say you enjoy something?

[@joeschianodicola1810]

"generally speaking i just don't enjoy musicals." common Melon W, let the theatre kids rive in pain

[@kJ922-h3j]

3:21 Jamiroquai had some disco elements, they have so many bangers

[@LindsayHands]

"EDM Will Never Be Mainstream" Everywhere outside of the United States: "lolwut"

[@cheesoboy2]

Bonnaroo is one of the biggest music festivals in the US and it grew from indie/alt/jam rock roots; nowadays it has a fully committed 24/7 EDM stage, multiple other fully committed EDM stages, and when there are musicians booked after midnight that play instruments, you now have to remind EDM lovers that Roo isn't primarily an EDM festival and it's okay to have non-EDM artists (yet it is easily the most represented genre). EDM festivals are now everywhere and there are EDM nights at fairly mainstream bars in most cities any day of the week...it's undeniably mainstream lol. I'm glad Fantano didn't entertain this argument.

[@EFNBrktt]

'Shrines' is dope, but I never cared for much other Purity Ring

[@churricardo1457]

Sample licenses should just work like mechanical cover licenses, artists get a cut every time the song is played just like with normal covers

[@inglejuice]

“EDM” IS categorically mainstream. It’s a mainstream commercialised format of pre existing genres of club music. It is not a term for ALL electronic dance music in real world use - it refers to a specific, mainstream style of music.

[@4jonah]

Hot Take: I get the pushback on musicals. People breaking out into song and dance is not really my vibe either BUT there is a sub-genre called "backstage musical", which are films and plays about music. The songs are not a soiloquy; they're baked into the story. Movies about musicians like Inside Llyewn Davis or Once have the musical numbers feel more natural and stand on their own.

[@mhyt7788]

LET'S ARGUE : Fantano kinda cute

[@davidjones8047]

*Let’s Agree*

[@caitlynsult2685]

agreed

[@cyinic]

That's not even an argument, he's such a twink 🥵🥵🥵

[@jackkelly9048]

EDC is one of the biggest annual music festivals here in the U.S. and its mostly EDM/Electronic

[@Fortnite87463]

Edm is the definition of mainstream

[@Wintergreen_]

I can speak for the fact that piano is SOOOOOO helpful for arranging. I also play the violin, but it has basically no carryover to writing songs, beyond knowing how to use a violin in a song. That piano experience transfers *perfectly* onto the paper or DAW, no awkward conversions or anything.

[@adamseers]

I personally use more RYM because it has a larger userbase

[@tcaporale4]

Yeah this, and also I think it’s easier to find more obscure albums there. Plus I think the stuff people on RYM champion/recommend is more aligned with my tastes, maybe that’s because AOTY skews younger with its user base and now that I’m in my thirties there’s some difference in generational tastes there. I do like AOTY though and I think it’s got a great, less toxic community. Although I’d also say the toxicity of RYM gets overstated, I think most interactions and album pages there are fine, there’s just a few that devolve into arguments

[@TimothyCHenderson]

The idea of popular music for dancing is an old one. It was one of Mozart's favorite genres to compose for. Readily consumed but also rather disposable.

[@debbiecrankin]

Smashing Pumpkins take is spot on and unfortunate.

[@IceKoldKilla]

Usually people with negative views on certain music, know nothing about it and haven't even listened to the album they are hating on. Or artist/band. It's why I tend to not give a fuck what people say about music. But you have a balanced palette I feel. If that makes any fucking sense. Anyways, dope shit. Fuck the music haters who have no knowledge of music and can't even write music, yet they think they know more than the creators.

[@-natdog-9516]

I like AOTY for its user interface and its userbase being very LGBT friendly, RYM is fine if a bit rock purist

[@cyinic]

Yeah same for those reasons and because of the rating system, it's easier for me to give a rating from 1-100 rather than one from 1-5

[@ringer1324]

Finding a non lgbt user on AOTY is like finding a needle in a haystack. Okay maybe not that extreme but it’s definitely more common than with most sites

[@cyinic]

@@ringer1324 yeah I noticed that when I joined the site, there's a lot of fellow LGBT and it is pretty cool to see

[@rateeightx]

@@cyinic Technically RYM is 1-10 since you can give things half star ratings, But I get what you mean. Personally I find it _easier_ to give a rating on a smaller scale (1-10 or 1-5), Just because it requires less thinking, I can pretty easily go "Do I hate this, Dislike it, Am I meh about it, Do I like it, Or do I love it?" and then get a 1-5 rating from there, Although 1-100 is definitely more meaningful, Because with a smaller scale I'll often find myself ranking two things I enjoyed to quite different degrees as the same thing.

[@rateeightx]

Wait, So are you telling me that when I went on RYM and looked at the top ~5 LGBTQ singles of the year and listened to them because I was bored, I should've been doing it on AOTY instead?

[@IPODsify]

Edm is literally the foundation for most modern pop music

[@dasanii2467]

Blues is the foundation for modern pop music lol

[@whatastandupguy3050]

@@dasanii2467Bro you know we WISH that were true

[@rayleeharris]

Edm is an all encompassing term for multiple sub genres of music. This new decade in particular, I’ve seen artists repurposing a lot of break beats or dnb samples as beat structures. I love it but I don’t know what pushed us here.

[@johnnyterra1309]

Black eyed peas and Skrillex pushed us here

[@Flameclaw123]

Kiss from a rose "on the gray" makes total sense when u look at the lyrics of the first verse lol. It's only confusing out of context

[@ssaunter9965]

I believe epic doom metal will be mainstream

[@Sonicshadow8989]

Me too

[@rosewrath_s_revenge]

AMEN (oh fuck please music godz)

[@luilast6112]

the violin play was so beautiful I cried 3 day straight 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@thebasedgodmax1163]

couldn't disagree more about the Smashing Pumpkins take. Billy Corgan was always the main focus and the creative drive of them since day one, not to mention the fact that these days (or at least a few years back) both James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlain were back in the band. Corgan can't be that much of a "tyrant" if 3/4s of the original band were happy to get back together. Adore also rules.

[@shmackydoo]

Hadestown started as a concept album by Anais Mitchell and then was sculpted into one of the best musicals ever, imo. It was a banger record too, Bon Iver was on it. Def check it out if you haven't. Musicals fuck

[@trenttournour5846]

About the aoty vs rym discussion I think rym is better for finding new music aoty is better for hearing other opinions on music you already know

[@maryfreegirl2029]

Perfectly put

[@zacharywoloszynski4258]

Yeah that's what I always say RYM's descriptor tags are so nice

[@_natedunn]

the third button from the top is not buttoned. i couldn't unsee it, and now neither can you.

[@mtterzoli]

Your take on removing copyright is really interesting. One of those cases where you think taking a certain decision will benefit independent artists and boost creative freedom but it actually ends up having unintended consequences and hurting them in the long run.

[@mrrocket1701]

I would watch "The Pimp of Butterfly" Musical

[@asteroidrichie6997]

My Chemical Romance is one of the greatest bands of all time and if people would just swallow their pride they would realize that (freezing take)

[@maxexodus]

I agree

[@sampsqwantch4612]

i mean im not going to argue with that. not really sure if its possible, even.

[@mocapcow2933]

Depends what you mean of all time, I’m their lane and because of their popularization of a genre. Yeah, but across every single band, including jazz bands, pop bands, etc. hard to argue.

[@santicarbajal3927]

Greatest at being mid 😂

[@sagethevvitch]

I......AGREE.

[@alexyoung5836]

This felt like a ThatIsThePlan edit for a few seconds 😭

[@paydenmcknight]

I will say, AOTY as an interface is incredible. But as a community, it can be hit or miss wherever you go. And the average user scores tend to get swayed heavy based on larger opinions like you, brad taste in music (who is raised up as a God on that site for some reason, no hate to him tho, he's entertaining), and a couple other popular reviewers on the site. There are also a lot of very small niche artists that get added to the site for the sole purpose to either get overly praised or overly hated. But all-in-all AOTY is still better and cleaner than RYM.

[@dwahwuiadhwaiudwuhwaiudhwa1494]

The “fantano effect” or “Brad effect” in most scenarios is mainly placebo or very hard to notice. I gathered some data and found the average rating shift after a fantano or Brad upload on an albums was typically less than 0.5/100 and that’s not taking into account that there would be change from new people finding it from that. Also yeah, the site would be better without Brad Taste, most users don’t like Brad or his fans.

[@zacharywoloszynski4258]

Yeah that sums it up pretty well I dont think the site would be better without Brad though, he's grown the site so much by putting it in his youtube videos and lifestreams.

[@ehouse33householder74]

Above & Beyond and the State of trance podcast have been active for over a decade. Everytime u see them live they a huge crowd that loves it.

[@mattkramer6061]

Lol at Fantano being a /mu/ poster at heart.

[@mjwbulich]

As someone that started going to house clubs and underground raves in the late 1980s I find the whole notion hilarious. It was a bunch of kids partying in sleazy clubs and dirty warehouses. There was no radio play. No record sales. The general public had no idea the scene even existed. Cut to 25 years later and EDM is everywhere. Films, TV, advertising, DJs are international celebrities with multi platinum selling albums. Everyone's grandparents know what EDM is. I'm pretty sure that's the dictionary definition of mainstream.

[@unclebruncle]

literally got into an argument with my friend earlier where i said piano is the alpha instrument and the skills from it can be utilized on other instruments

[@rateeightx]

What about a Synth though? Most of the same benefits of a Piano, But being a master on it you'd probably also be able to do a bit of engineering or production.

[@Kaz999998]

​@@rateeightxIf we're being pedantic, then yeah, synth would give you overall more musical mastery > piano. Valid point.

[@unclebruncle]

@@rateeightx you can pretty much categorize both under keyboards. same with harpsichord or organ

[@agonzalez7095]

the first guy forgot that the 2010's happened

[@mrlevinielsen]

2000s too. Good lord you could not avoid Eurobeat music on the internet.

[@BrickFlairMMA]

Deadmau5 is an absolute genius he makes the most unique sounding dance music he’s unreal 🔥

[@Nefariousbig]

No. He makes the most generic music posisble what on earth are you on about? He's electronic music for people who don't listen to any other electronic music.

[@torstenatterberg5788]

​@@Nefariousbig I stan Autechre and While(1

[@Samcorbett1999]

@@Nefariousbig while i agree with both of you, i do have to say deadmau5 is easily one of the best and most talented djs in the entire scene, he does tend to stick to what he knows best and doesn’t experiment and try different sounds. Ive also seen deadmau5 live. Hes super dope.

[@Nefariousbig]

@@Samcorbett1999 he's really not that impressive at all as an actual DJ, i've seen plenty better at random squat parties and shit.

[@HertzGud]

@@Nefariousbigyou really haven’t listened to his early career stuff huh.

[@maryfreegirl2029]

HE TALKED ABOUT ALBUM OF THE YEAR OH GOD OH FCK IT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN AAAAA

[@Josh_Read]

Both Adore and Machina are stellar Smashing Pumpkins records. It’s lovely to see that over time people are coming round to both those albums - all the Pumpkins material from Gish to Machina II is one of the finest streaks of unfaltering creativity I think there’ll ever be.

[@kyleaustin1901]

Agreed. some people think they fell off after Mellon Collie, but they actually fell off after Machina II

[@mandobrownie]

@@kyleaustin1901 I agree with yall that Adore and Machina I and II aren't as bad as the person in the video suggests, but also they are not as good as all the albums up until Mellon Collie. Zeitgeist is basically butt rock, Teargarden had some good tracks but was sort of too much classic rock worship, Oceania was about as good as Teargarden, and then from Monuments until now it's just clear that that they're neck deep in classic rock worship in a sort of sad boomer-y way.

[@8bitdiedie]

@@mandobrownie I’d say Adore is better than Gish

[@MarkArandjus]

Artists should be paid if their work gets sampled, yes, BUT... There should def be a cap on sample clearing prices and royalties. Like I dunno, you can't charge more than 100K and you can't collect more than 90%. Also like a 10 year denial clearance, there's so many bands that reject sampling flat out. So if after 10 years you're still against being sampled, charge 'em 100K per sample and collet 90% of the royalties.

[@Deejaynerate]

The real question is when is Carpenter Brut gonna go mainstream.

[@AlleyCatJazz]

The kiss on the gray is because of "the cold graying tower" bruh, Seal universe building on point.

[@mianovak9700]

If only everyone dropped molly