LET'S ARGUE: Hating Hip Hop Isn't Racist

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[@yummyjackalmeat]

Hating hip hop isn't racist but a lot of racist people hate hip hop.

[@BiasedSportsFan]

This is the correct take

[@ArchibaldClumpy]

I remember when I, a sheltered white kid from rural America, first heard Eminem's "The Way I Am." I knew he was a rapper and that was it. I'd never heard rap before. Somehow my brain turned his vocals low pitched, ominous and scary. It felt like a huge guy looming over me while the song was playing. Obviously that's ridiculous given the man's vocal style but the moment I found out he was white, somehow all of that went away. The reality distortion field of racism is very real. A lot of people hear rap beats or black voices and have a very loaded reaction based on race that they have to retrofit as a legitimate one based on the music. The song may be clever, lyrically intricate and sensitive, but they just hear thug shit. And when they hear a MAGA rapper who's coming from the same place as them politically, they're not defensive so they suddenly listen semi-objectively and realize they like some rap. Which ultimately isn't much different from middle school me who had to put in work and thought to truly hear music coming from outside my culture for what it was. If they're adults and still thinking this way it may be too late. They're always going to see the scrawny teenage kid as a linebacker or a rhinoceros about to charge.

[@sayethvexus8332]

The fact they'll make exceptions for Eminem, Kid Rock and Tom McDonald speaks volumes.

[@princejellyfish3945]

@@sayethvexus8332can we stop throwing Tom Mcdonald into this shit. Dude’s only relevance comes from people using him as an example and all it does is legitimize him bc almost no one is bumping his music for real

[@Z3in_]

Not only that you have the corniest rappers promoting MAGA and the racists promoting that, and that's even worse

[@eyfoe]

if you like MUSIC so much why don't you MARRY IT??!?!?!

[@BiasedSportsFan]

Yeah he should marry Carti’s new album that’ll show em

[@TedBilk]

Why do you think he got divorced

[@TomokoJinx]

Nah he should name every song

[@theyabib3323]

Is that an avatar reference?

[@perfectallycromulent]

because i asked, and music said "oh hell no"

[@robertbarber1198]

Who doesn’t know that it’s not racist to dislike something? The problem is most of the people that dislike it use that disdain to make racist comments which is why people think that on some cases.

[@BiasedSportsFan]

W take. I’m a guy who mostly listens to hip hop, and I’m fine with people mildly disliking it as long as they have a good reason to back it up. But it’s not cool at all when people trash on hip hop cuz it’s mostly dominated by Black artists.

[@christianryan9989]

It also doesn’t help that a lot of people will say they don’t like hip hop and then follow it by a couple of white rappers as exceptions (Eminem, NF, etc.) I don’t think that’s particularly racist, but I think it does come from a lack of understanding or appreciation for black culture.

[@dais.2620]

@@BiasedSportsFannot to mention the “I don’t like hip hop, but Eminem..” type shit

[@TheAndrewj96]

@@dais.2620Worse yet, “I don’t normally listen to rap music, but that Tom MacDonald…”

[@TheRealHaloLover]

It isn't racist but it usually is...😂

[@chrisgenovese8188]

Someone needs to drop a hip hop album heavily featuring bagpipes.

[@ashleylamont7687]

Andre perhaps?

[@ncg1294]

Eminem Bagpipes From Baghdad but 12 times

[@sitvisjes]

Kanye West sampling Mull Of Kintyre

[@diosrightcalfmuscle4090]

It's a long way to the top (if you wanna hip and hop)

[@stevenfloury6351]

not the album, but the song Do You Want More?!!!??! by The Roots are my fav usage of bagpipes in a rap song

[@Adays700]

It’s racist and ignorant when the right wings of Fox News went after Kendrick and tried saying shit like “does he realize it’s mostly black people that kill each other” when black on black violence was a large theme on TPAB and other albums too… Literally never actually heard any of his songs or put in any effort to think about anything he said. Whether you agree or not it’s clear ignorance

[@xnopytt]

well if Fox News was going to give a take on hip hop, it was probably going to be racist

[@henrylangham6428]

fox news is based. you should be aware that kendrick and most of hip hop agrees with the things kanye's said about who he hates. EVERYTHING that kanye said is correct. he's right about everything in his deathcon 3 tweet. go look at that tweet and look at the line starting from ""the funny thing is" and ending at "also" now go to rap genius and look at the kendrick lyrics to YAH. look at the two lines below this line I'm not a politician, I'm not 'bout a religion READ CLOSELY. also click on the annotated highlight and READ CLOSELY now study wutang clan DEEPLY. heres a hint. look at the lyrics to Wutang Clan - Older Gods look at this line "Ac-10, most of my team" now look at what two words end this line. go research what those two words mean. also google search "hip hop and (blank) with the blank being the two words from the wutang song.

[@henrylangham6428]

biden calling LL Cool J a "boy" and said "ll j cool j uhhhhh" in dementia slurring@@xnopytt

[@projectc.j.j3310]

I don’t think u know what racism is💀 that’s called out of touch or ignorant not necessarily racist. lol y’all are as slow as the right wings u cry about

[@turningmememachine7256]

@@henrylangham6428 I don't think most people here are big fans of Biden. Fantano is a leftist, not a democrat.

[@Platanov]

Oh my god, imagine being in the same conversation as Arcade Fire, and YOU'RE the one being called out for having too many band members.

[@azalago]

To be fair, Broken Social Scene is more of a music collective than a band. It's almost impossible to remember everyone in it offhand, never mind all the different things they've done.

[@p0werfu11]

"Half of Canada plays hockey, other half is in Broken Social Scene"

[@IIIISai]

no way people need this explained 💀💀💀

[@persuasivebarrier2419]

as a white person from the south, people underestimate white people's need to be victimized. some.

[@RabbidTheNabbit]

Braindead twitter mfs do ☠️

[@SauceBoss14]

12 year olds are online a lot of the time

[@leftisbest7173]

People are really stupid....

[@elenasayshi]

my thought is that if you feel the need to specify you aren't racist when you say you dislike hip hop, you probably have a lot of other red flags to signal you're racist anyway

[@kurogotbeats]

there is a stark different between simply disliking and then invalidating and diminishing though

[@kramersilver8331]

People do that with country music all the time though, so its kind of a two way street

[@finthetrashcan]

@@kramersilver8331country music isn't vilified and used to justify racism

[@kramersilver8331]

Yeah, it kind of is @@finthetrashcan

[@scottiebarnes7417]

Not really, in either case it isn’t inherently racist. Diminishing a music genre which often discusses a broken and vile culture (gangs, violence, prostitution, etc.) has nothing to do with race.

[@OrgaNik_Music]

@@kramersilver8331 It really, really, really, really, REALLY isn't.

[@creepspilla]

What if you are a racist but like rap music? Like that scene in Office Space where Michael Bolton is listening to hardcore gangster rap but locks his door when he sees a black guy walk by his car

[@BiasedSportsFan]

Are there people who are actually like this? Not disproving your take im just genuinely curious if people are racist rap listeners lol (and don’t listen to Tom McDonald).

[@KatSpicert]

​@@BiasedSportsFan There definitely are. For the most part, they listen to Eminem. But it's likely they have their lil token black rap artist they listen to, saying literally everything else even remotely different from it is "mumble crap"

[@henrylangham6428]

yes. im one of those people my favorite hip hop songs/rappers constantly uses hardcore ableist and HARDCORE homophobic slurs and are HARDCORE misogynist, talk about rayycyst ⚪ supreemacyst khahnspearacy theories and anti vaggx, rap about religion such as a LOT about christianity, islam and a LOT about the people who german ww2 bad guy didnt like, say the n word while not being black and are white, and have song titles that are the hard r, CONSTANTLY reference 88, have album titles that have the name of german ww2 bad guy in a series of multiple albums with the name in the album title. white rappers are just as important as black rappers and they hold the same level of cultural significance of black rappers and the black originators/biggest influencers of the culture@@BiasedSportsFan

[@mildly_miffed_man1414]

@@henrylangham6428what the fuck are you yapping about

[@Boyd2342]

Fascinating post @@henrylangham6428

[@sicksadworld765]

It’s ok to not like a music genre (I’m not into metal) it’s a personal preference but saying that certain genre ain’t music is just dumb. That’s some Ben Shapiro type shit

[@p0werfu11]

Hyperpop isn't music.

[@MidnightEkaki]

@@p0werfu11 this person just outed themselves as dumb, congrats it is brave of you

[@AshiwiZuni]

Spot on. When Ben Shapiro tried using the argument that his father is a music theory teacher just shows how little Ben knows about music theory, and possibly how dishonest his father uses his education. As someone who has also “studied music theory” I can tell you with 99.9999999% certainty, Hip-Hop is music.

[@henrylangham6428]

nope. its not music. its kidzbop on helium. anyone who likes 100 gecs is lying. @@MidnightEkaki

[@KWin246]

@@henrylangham6428 Can you not erase my culture in the comments? Thx sweaty

[@Bigdawg2504]

I haven’t slept since the last let’s argue drop. I can finally rest

[@BiasedSportsFan]

You will not sleep. I am currently inside your walls.

[@darkjanggo]

sweet dreams. you'll need your rest for when you wake up, the next one is a while off. good luck.

[@philly_sports1558]

I went out to eat at a restaurant with my family recently and some 60 year old jerk and his wife sat right next to my family and started blasting country songs out of his phone (inside a Thai restaurant) and I audibly heard him say "I hate black music". It was shocking to see and hear someone actually be that rude and ignorant and offensive in real life with out any self-awareness in a real life setting without hiding behind a screen.

[@vain.a2]

old peo

[@kleptrep94]

Find out where he lives and put itching powder in his Klansman outfit. That’d embarrass him.

[@StellarMaki]

@@vain.a2literally lol, as a retail worker you unfortunately hear stuff like that way too often from old people who don’t give a shit

[@MyBichSustained]

And?

[@MyBichSustained]

I love hearing rattling car booming rap music while pumping gas.

[@mHHARMLeSS]

Impossible to use bagpipes in modern music? Desire, I Want to Turn Into You isn't even a year old yet. I'm actually surprised Anthony didn't mention Blood and Butter. Shout-out to Caroline Polachek and Brìghde Chaimbeul.

[@tss3393]

I'm surprised he didn't mention Kate Bush either. Sure, you'd expect them on Celtic-inspired tracks like Jig of Life, but the way they seamlessly blend into the swells of a song like Hello Earth is just 😚🤌

[@kc-lz8gs]

cool. one song. awesome. strong case you're making.

[@dfkdb6249]

@@kc-lz8gsthe solo on that song isn’t very enjoyable either (imo). I think a lot of people are just talking about it for the gimmick

[@TheThomNorth]

Not to mention Untitled by NMH, which is my favorite off ITAOTS

[@mHHARMLeSS]

@@TheThomNorth The pipes on that song are somewhat abrasive compared to other pop-friendly examples so I can imagine a lot of listeners completely dismissing it within the first fifteen seconds, but I'm so glad you reminded me about Neutral Milk Hotel. ITAOTS is such a great album.

[@marek9741]

Beethoven's last piece of music, Grosse Fuge Op.188, was so dissonant that everyone walked out of the hall. I am a big Beethoven fan and it must have been heartbreaking seeing everyone walk out of your last, most forward thinking piece. Especially after he released his 9th symphony, arguably the greatest piece of music of all time.

[@malcolme9780]

He mightve been thrilled about it in all honesty. Think about it, a career of making masterpiece after masterpiece and generally being considered the greatest of your time, just to end things with a work so difficult that not even your most dedicated enjoyers truly got it. He probably loved it

[@brooksbaczkowski8382]

​@@malcolme9780 I'm choosing to believe this not just because it feels nicer but because Beethoven was just pretentious enough to have that thought process

[@DefenestrateYourself]

@@brooksbaczkowski8382 why do you believe he was pretentious? Bless your little heart

[@brooksbaczkowski8382]

@@DefenestrateYourself only the numerous contemporary accounts calling him an egoist lmfao

[@bernabefernandeztouceda7315]

That wasn't the last Beethoven piece at all, do your homework

[@quietman208]

26 year old black male. I still love hip hop but really hate most of the genre now as I’ve gotten older and educated myself on misogyny. Now I can only listen to certain rappers and music artists in general that don’t use women as props and objects in their music. Which is EXTRMELY hard in hip hop tbh. Everyone from Kanye to Kendrick has said something problematic that personally just ruins the music for me.

[@nonamesam]

People who use "problematic statements" as an argument are cringe. Js

[@quietman208]

@@nonamesam How? If someone said they didn’t like a song because it was Nazi propaganda, or said they didn’t like a movie because it endorses genocide I don’t think most people would have a problem with that. Music is subjective anyway. If someone doesn’t like something because of the message it espouses, that’s like their opinion man.

[@audiosurfarchive]

​@@nonamesam*"Ugh, look at these **_LOSERS_** having problems with what they perceive as distasteful and unethical to them!"*

[@kirgizikable]

"Problematic"🥺

[@nondescriptcat5620]

@@nonamesam people who get triggered when people say "problematic" are cringe. js

[@lexiqu360]

She's So Heavy is my favorite Beatles song of all time, so yes, i would play it for someone who's never heard music before. If they cant handle it, they're too weak to handle the rest of what music has to offer.

[@Ellie_2810]

“they’re too weak” bro you are listening to music not slaying a dragon 😭

[@eliesutter4156]

Being a "metalhead", a community where racism is unfortunately much more prevalent than in others (at least where I live), I can definitely feel the link between hating hip-hop and racism. Especially when people say they absolutely hate rap and then ramble about how unique and better Eminem, NF or Mac are.

[@Slime-Man-Extreme]

Are you from Europe?

[@evanoglesby9504]

If you’re anti-racist, you’re in the wrong room. Punk is down the hall and to the left.

[@id1550]

It’s more of a cultural difference than racial. These people love Tom Macdonald because he regurgitates right wing talking points. People love Eminem because he is one of, if not the best white rapper, which to a lot of white people, makes it easier to connect to someone. Like a suburban white kid isn’t going to resonant with TPAB. Now it may evolve into race at some point, but it’s almost always a cultural difference, especially at first.

[@eliesutter4156]

@@id1550 I'm going to answer both comments qt once. I'm from europe, France specifically, so I'm certain growing up in a non-english speaking country plays a part in how I experience this, in that most people couldn't care less about english lyrics. But still, being a white suburban boy didn't prevent me from becoming a metal AND rap fan. I absollutely, along most of my friends, adore Mac Miller, whose music and lyrics (i learned english at a young age) really resonated with me. But I also love guys like DMX, Wu-Tang and Tyler, because 1. Bangers 2. They convey a humanity and life experience that I'm not acustomed to and make me see things from another point of view. And it really feels different when someone praises the white rapper but shits on the rest. Also, more often than not, if you dig deep enough you'll hear them discard prominent rappers as thug music, agressive, dumb and so on with all the racist undertones that go with it. Thinking about it having written all this, I believe the language barrier doesn't even play a part in the end . I have a french specific example of the same thing at hand. Our rap scene is huge here and the same thing that happens for american rappers happens for our own too. I often hear Booba (the most prominent figure of french "Gangsta rap") being called "musique de racaille" (music for thugs), while Orelsan (white rapper from Normandy) gets praised by absolutely everyone and their moms for being a musical and lyrical genius (which he is) So yeah I feel like there's a connection with racism. On the other hand, race issues don't look quite the same in the US as they do here. So we might both be right.

[@id1550]

@@eliesutter4156 It’s close to racism but I don’t truly believe most are being racist. Most people are ignorant and do not care about/want to hear other people’s life experiences; me included before listening to rap. I don’t think it is racist to empathize with people who are similar to you, and race is a big part of that. Just because Eminem is white, already provides a head start for white people that black people don’t grant, and even more so vice versa. I kind of was the same, but it was because I didn’t believe I could ever resonate with that type of music. Even now, it’s hard to empathize with artists talking about issues I have never experienced before, and I feel like this is something that is very important to people, which is why they don’t listen. Also I think listening to something of a different language is very different when talking about meanings and messages behind the lyrics. A song recorded in English, Japanese, Spanish, etc etc. Are all different languages, but all those songs could have the exact same meanings and messages. And even then, if you don’t even understand what you’re listening to, it is a very different feeling than understanding something, but not being able to empathize with the artist. The latter is a worse feeling imo. I’m not going to discredit your experiences, but I promise you it is mostly *not* racism.

[@tafarithehooligan]

there's a clip of a guy leaving a store because they were playing "rap" music and it was like carley ray jepson or something💀💀

[@detcom9140]

If I’m thinking of who you’re thinking of then he was being satire

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

As for examples of modern music that uses bagpipes well, I want to shout out all the folk metal bands who weave it in nicely with the guitars and other traditional instruments.

[@keshavsrivaths4882]

Saor do this so well

[@ihaar]

True. Father Sun by Villagers Of Ioannina City slaps hard. I hope it's actually bagpipes tho because if not then I'm gonna sound ignorant

[@JackXombi]

Shoutout to the Celtic Punk bands like Mudmen or Dropkick Murphys ... There should be a badass bagpipe festival, Korn can play too.

[@AKthewinner]

On the topic of "Hip-hop represents the worst of black culture" that I hear a lot. From ATCQ, to early Kanye, to Cole and Kendrick, every period of Hip-hop has had artists reach worldwide acclaim without pushing negative aspects of "Black culture" and have actually used a black art form to spread positivity If you aren't a fan of the sound of the genre, that's fine. But the "Black Culture" take says way more about how you view Black people than it does about hip-hop

[@Obi-WanKannabis]

It's not wrong. It glamourises violence, casual sex, and drug useage. If pointing that out makes one a racist, then being responsible is racist. It also never said that black culture is just that. You're committing a logical fallacy. It is onyl racist if you admit black culture is just that. Which it isnt.

[@eskimogioia9848]

​@Obi-WanKannabis the funny thing is you are committing logical fallacies in your reply. You literally responded that hip hop glamorizes all these things on a comment where someone literally shows that not all hip hop artist do those things. But you are treating a portion of the whole as if it is the whole. This is a fallacy of composition. To your point about "pointing that out," the people who make that claim tend to ignore their own logic when their logic doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to push. For instances, a lot of people that try to make that point ignore the same topics used in the music they like. There are musicians in the rock, metal, country, and just about every other music genre that glamorize violence, casual sex, and drug usage. These are not topics exclusive to only hip hop.

[@max.a.trillion3217]

despite the few gems of hip hop artist you have mentioned the majority of the music being made in the genre is full of egotistical, braggadocio, hyper violence, hyper masculinity, and sexuality. there's no denial that the genre has some toxicity.. And you on here in the comment section trying to gas light folks into thinking that because they are bringing up a valid point about the toxic aspects of a culture ( which Kanye and many of the other artists you mentioned have brought up as criticism as well) that somehow means there's something wrong or racist about them in how they view black people is some bs. just stop.

[@QuikVidGuy]

​@@eskimogioia9848I've seen comments on Aerosmith and gunsnroses songs about how "music nowadays is all about sex drugs and violence" Like sir did you think Steven Tyler was being metaphorical when talking about doing coke off toilet seats and eating pussy in an elevator

[@JackXombi]

@@max.a.trillion3217 Dude... Wait until you hear about this "Rock and Roll" thing: the majority of the music being made in the genre is full of egotistical, braggadocio, hyper violence, hyper masculinity, and sexuality.. Oh or this "Country music" the majority of the music being made in the genre is full of egotistical, braggadocio, hyper violence, hyper masculinity, and sexuality AND drinking and driving. XD

[@WheresPoochie]

12:00 I hate to be “that guy” but the stories about the Rite of Spring premiere sparking a riot are considered to be urban legends. In actuality, the “riot” was just heckling and laughter and those jeers weren’t directed at the music but rather the ballet-choreography, which the audience considered to be inelegant and goofy (likely because Nijinsky was heavily influenced by folk dance). Aside from some snooty reviews, Stravinsky’s music was applauded from the get-go.

[@archer1949]

My feeling towards Hip Hop is the same as Country: I don’t like most of the mainstream current stuff,but am a fan of the indie and classics.

[@KatSpicert]

Huh, I guess I've never realized how much I relate. I listen to predominantly rap, yet most artist I listen to are nowhere near mainstream, some even getting less than 10,000 plays. So yea, I definitely am someone who listens to whatever sounds good to me, which happens to definitely not be the mainstream.

[@camwad1238]

If you dont like the sound of bagpipes your either english or have not heard enough traditional Scottish music, some legitimately beautiful pieces out there

[@0tterhead]

Honestly unrelated to their sound they are such a cool fucking instrument they're just so insane

[@MrAbomb234]

nah hate that shit tbh, have heard one of the best bagpipe players and I absolutely disliked how grating and nasally it is

[@camwad1238]

@@MrAbomb234 if you say so my guy

[@MrAbomb234]

@@camwad1238 I did

[@kerrermanisNL]

Something about bagpipes just makes me tear up. In a good way

[@tonyschannel7438]

I do have to wonder why there aren't more well known black rock musicians, expeically nowadays? I mean 2 of the most influential rock musicians of all time were black (Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix)

[@TheRealHaloLover]

There's plenty. Sevendust, Howard Jones, the Altar, Zealand & Ardor etc. It's just the problem with rock is the stuff that is popular and pushed is pop rock and alt trash think Imagine Dragons, 30 sec to Mars etc. Also the legacy stuff just keeps getting beat over our heads, like move tf on from the 80s guns & roses stuff.

[@nimrodery]

Rock music just isn't cool or trendy. The rebel personalities that might have gravitated toward rock and roll at one time find more appeal in hip-hop. Tosin Abasi is pretty awesome though.

[@kdpwt]

There’s also slash. But let’s be real, elvis is the reason lol

[@BluesAndNoise]

Equipment is more expensive now. Not just the guitar gear, but you would need gear for a full band to make the endeavor worth it. The ROI on DJ equipment is far better.

[@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek]

Those two are definitely not the most influential. Definitely not chuck berry.

[@orion10x10]

"people die when they aren't killed" is such a poetic way to describe the decay of artists work over time and the typical waning popularity, wow.

[@phillipbell4394]

My mom doesn't like rap. She's in her 50s and grew up in Mexico. She never really experienced it young, and then just never got into it. And that's it, that's the whole story. Mfs will literally write entire essays about how it's not music. There's obviously a difference there. Also it will never not be funny to me that you can run into whole-ass Led Zepplin fans who think the blues are trash. I don't know if the guy was, but I've certainly met the type.

[@nnarcus]

Hey Fantano I just want to say thank you for making great lists I have been kind of in uninspired by music lately but because of your lists I was able to find a great amount bangers like hemlocke springs

[@kenrobinson7563]

Ima be honest only time I’ve ever heard someone say anything negative about hip hop or rap in the open there was definitely undertones

[@KatSpicert]

"Hip-hop Americans" "usual suspects" type shit. It's genuinely interesting too, calling it out for them to try minimizing their words like "I never said anything about race" when it's clearly implied.

[@kdpwt]

Yeah. And/or sometimes it’s just a coincidence. Like some old british boomer who has never seen a black guy in his entire life isn’t going to really get anything out of hip hop, and he’s probably going to be racist as well because it’s easy to be one when you’re an old white guy

[@kdpwt]

@@KatSpicert”basketball americans”

[@KatSpicert]

@@kdpwt Another "great" example lol. That's one of the most overused ones, too.

[@seanmckelvey6618]

Were there undertones though? Or did you just personally feel like that was the case? Most hip hop is pretty mid, regardless of the skin colour of the person making it.

[@wqnd]

side note anthony, your editor has been killing it

[@moviesquad73]

Each BSS member needs to do a collab with their Wu-Tang counterpart

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

😂😂😂

[@rmv9194]

I generally dont like hip hop, I love soul, funk, jazz and blues. The hiphop I like is because of their arrangements and most of the time I would prefer those tracks to be instrumentals

[@joshuapittman4663]

Take a listen to MF DOOM. Even if you don’t like his rapping, he released everything as instrumentals as well. Anthony has even rated his collab album with Madlib. “MadVillainy” as a 10/10. Madlib also released the MadVillainy instrumentals. Heck you and DOOM would have a lot in common since had said in an interview that he only rapped to feed his wife and kids and that he didn’t listen to rap and mostly listened to jazz.

[@amanSpawn00]

It’s less of people not liking Hip Hop and more like, just cuz you don’t like it, don’t make it sound like it’s trash And within that, there’s people who trash styles with the same kind of mentality For me, it’s like, can’t we appreciate everything offered? Like I rarely listen to fast rap. Where that’s the main focus. But I can appreciate the specific talents that’s required to pull that off

[@gabe_o_verse]

Bagpipes are AWESOME! They need to listen to some medieval rock, bagpipes and Electric Guitars fit together perfectly!

[@jaux12240]

On the bagpipe note, they were used AMAZINGLY on the Caroline polachek album this year. Got their own solo, and sounded amazing

[@guesta6005]

I was thinking just that

[@mariomcp]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The two most disparaged music genres are Rap and Country. One is "black" and one is "white" (even though both are enjoyed by all races and have artists of many races). Both seem to be the subject of more scrutiny than other genres and much of the criticism seems aimed more at the cultures and listeners than it does the music itself. I've heard lots of people say they dislike rap and they definitely were making insinuations and that is rightfully called out. Sadly, the same is not done for country. When people attack country, plenty of them (not all) are basically saying they think southerners are stupid, ignorant, fat, uneducated, obsessed with trucks & beer, etc. Yet these people seem to have never heard of Johnny Cash, for example. It is just a strange irony to me, that two of the genres of music that are PERCIEVED to be the most racialized are also the ones that get the most flak.

[@malcolme9780]

Also both hip hop and country was from the start pretty eclectic genres. Country was basically started from combining American folk music ("white music") and blues music ("black music") while hip hop been pretty open with its electronic influences through the year. The pioneers of the genres were obviously very open to experimenting with different sounds and genres from different cultures yet both genres been described as "racist music" by those who oppose them

[@yurifairy2969]

The problem with this comparison is that much of today's pop country music explicitly endorses ignorant, even racist messages. There's no rap songs about lynching white people at the top of the charts, and there never will be, but country music goes nearly that far regularly and the country audience eats it up.

[@ghost_of_jah5210]

Thomas sowell has been talking about these similarities for decades

[@DefenestrateYourself]

9/11 era country is rightfully disparaged as trash. That’s all 🫡

[@austingee238]

These two genres are also so polarizing because they are so very similar yet appeal to a very different demographic. Country music was for the poor rural folk (the vast majority of which are white) and rap music was for the poor urban folk (the vast majority of which are black). Country music (originally) served to tell the stories of the working class folks out in the middle of nowhere struggling to get by. It started with folks who really lived the lifestyle but was taken over by rich assholes who threw some cowboy boots on and grabbed a microphone. Rap/Hip-Hop (originally) served to tell the stories of the working class (and even less fortunate) inner city folks struggling to get by. It started with folks who really lived the lifestyle but has been taken over by rich assholes who threw some Jordans on and grabbed a microphone. The cultures these genres appeal to also causes a lot of polarization as they are very similar yet very different. First off - gun culture. Both genres promote the use, sale, distribution, and possession of firearms - and often both genres also support the idea of not registering said firearms with the government. However, country music tends to support the use of these weapons for legitimate purposes (hunting, self protection) first and blatant murder second. Rap music tends to do the opposite - blatant murder first (yes, drug related gun violence counts as murder) and legitimate purposes second. Secondly - drug culture. Both genres promote substance abuse like hell. Every. Damn. Song. Country music tends to promote alcoholism, although modern country music and Willie Nelson supports marijuana usage. Cocaine has been mentioned from time to time in country music but not very often. Rap music tends to promote the use of cocaine and marijuana alongside alcohol (although alcohol in rap music is almost always centered around social settings) and modern rap music refers to the use of drugs like heroin sometimes. Next up - sex culture. This is probably the biggest difference in the genres as country music tends to promote the ideas of long term relationships over temporary hook-ups. Country music also tends to promote traditional family values and by and large treats cheating as a bad thing even when the artist is the one doing the cheating. That said, the “bro-country” era helped push country more toward hook-up culture - but in a less vulgar manner. Rap music has pretty much objectified women, promoted sexual deviance, and supported the ideas of fatherless homes and hook-up culture throughout its existence. Like I said though, country is getting that way (the history as to why rap music likely supports such vile ideology so consistently is far more interesting than this comment section will ever be, and should be something all of us are aware of - because this phenomenon among black Americans started sometime in the 1970s shortly before rap music came to be). Finally - both genres are quite conservative, really. How? Don’t black folks all vote Democrat? Well, that’s racist to assume all black folks vote the same way, but yes, a lot of black folks do vote Democrat and seeing how conservative most really are, it doesn’t make a lot of sense, but here goes… like I said above, both genres are full of gun nuts who would rather gun laws be more lax than they are. Both genres are very very homophobic (although rap music tends to be more friendly toward lesbians -see “objectification of women”). Despite the debauchery of either genre, both genres and their respective cultures tend to be Christian - or at least Christian identifying. Both genres express a disdain for child support enforcement (more so in rap music) not only because deadbeat dads but also child support’s role in enabling the destruction of the family. Both genres, despite being full of support for substance abuse, have plenty of artists expressing disdain for the different drug epidemics affecting our youth. Both genres express a hatred - or at the very least an unwelcoming attitude - toward people from outside their respective ways of life. Neither genre quite understands the other, and the cultures depicted in either genre dont necessarily care to understand the other. The country folk are convinced the inner city folk are a bunch of gang bangin’ pieces of shit and the inner city folk are all convinced the country folk will hang them on the first tree they see. Maybe it’s because country music is associated with the south? I don’t know. But yeah, two very similar yet very different demographics represent by two very similar yet very different genres of music - no wonder they’re so polarizing.

[@ThePhreakass]

The thing is that drugs and violence in rap music have been consistently criticized within the black community since the gangster rap genre was established so by itself this still isn't racist. There are other indicators for racism like "usually not liking rap, but Eminem and Tom MacDonald" which would be a dead giveaway.

[@IllusionistBeatsOfficial]

But not all hip hop or rap music touches on those subjects, and lots of it is critical of those elements of culture. It IS racist to imply that hip hop, by Virtue of being black music, only has that to offer, when anyone who isn't racist knows that isn't the case.

[@ThePhreakass]

@IllusionistBeatsOfficial You don't even get my point, and besides when its mainstream representation consists of gang culture etc. it's not far fetched that the average person (who isn't invested) would come to the conclusion that this is rap. You could even make the same case for other types of genres.

[@IllusionistBeatsOfficial]

@@ThePhreakass you'd have to be willingly ignorant to think that's all there is to hip hop. How could you be alive in 2023 and not have ever heard Lauryn Hill, Childish Gambino, or the Pharcyde? There are thousands of very famous household names who represent the variety within hip hop so you'd have to characterise them based on something other than their image or their content in order to come to the conclusion their music is just about drugs, sex, and guns. The "mainstream" representation you're talking about only exists within right wing discourses like fox news bulletins or whatever. Even rappers who ARE gangsters don't present themselves like that to the actual mainstream media most of the time. Hip hop started as party music, and the idea that it represented an unlawful culture was introduced in response to hip hop's commentary on social injustice. We all know the story by now.

[@ThePhreakass]

@@IllusionistBeatsOfficial Yeah, I am talking to a wall right here. Try to be more understanding for future reference. There are many people who don't care about the same things you do.

[@DrGameNwatch]

Funny enough I do see where both of you are coming from, I think at a certain point in my past I would of agreed with the general take of the un-invested person looking at rap so linearly. As I have gotten older I think I agree with this illusion person in saying that as this point in time, with hip hops growth and impact. artists like Kanye Travis Kid cudi Pharrel Tyler and the ones he's named and more, it alot of the time is willfill ignorance to paint such a broad stroke about the genre. I carry that understanding with me when it comes to other genres (like country) and tbh just about every aspect of my life. Sorry if this comment did nothing for you I just felt like my input might of made a difference. @@ThePhreakass

[@mewgiah8057]

I’ve had two friends who were PoC and who hated hip hop music. Interestingly they told me that they used to sometimes feel pressured to like hip hop culture. And because they weren’t into it they were made to feel like they weren’t “black enough”. What’s wild is I’ve actually seen what they were talking about from within the black community. Where they will bully someone for not being black enough (whether that’s due to music, culture or even who they date). Was a pretty eye opening experience as I hadn’t ever even considered this would be a thing. I think it’s awful that a person can’t just be themselves and like the things they want to like without feeling bad about it. I don’t think anyone should have to feel like they need to adhere to a larger groups culture because your skin color.

[@theyabib3323]

Is it just me or is this a pretty recent thing of people hating on blues music, I especially see it with metalheads, which saddens me as one myself. I grew up on that sh*t. Anybody who hates on it for being old has no taste, because yes its old, and its aged like fine wine.

[@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield]

I’m curious about which circles of metalheads are hating on the blues. This news disappoints me, as I’d say my greatest musical obsessions are in metal in most of its forms and folk music, primarily as a result of loving blues early in my musical journey. If you ask me, some blues songs go toe-to-toe with metal in their depictions of a bleak reality and the heavy attitude because it’s based in a tangible reality and experiences (this can also be applied to some styles of rap and punk as well).

[@theyabib3323]

@@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield I agree. It's just a different angle of expressing this bleak reality is all. In blues, I find, it's more personal and everything. And portrayed through an angle of personal experience, and it's coping with it by letting it all out in the form of, not quite sadness but... Blues. Instead in metal I often find the lyrics themselves to express those topics more generally about the world. And the music as a way of coping with rage. But that's just my interpretation. What I'm saying is, the reason some people hate on certain styles of music is that we all have these locked-in ideas about *how* music should be, when in reality, the beauty of the whole thing is that there is soooo much music for sooo many different purposes. Even then, as you explained metalheads who don't really appreciate the rich culture of it, don't understand it's contexts or even the simple fact it's a cornerstone to all forms of rock music, without it, no metal.

[@theyabib3323]

@@joseph_goebbels606 Wtf is that pfp and name.

[@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield]

@@theyabib3323 Oh sure I get you, and I appreciate your additional thoughts. I guess what we seem to be leading to, is that music is culture and an expression of one’s culture. And it’s a shame that there’s always gonna be ignorance to cultures until one takes the chance to engage in that knowledge and those experiences.

[@theyabib3323]

@@thirtyyearoldmulberryfield Exactly!

[@bilbobaggins9451]

I mostly dislike rap music because they tend to be pretty long winded. Plus the beat usually stays the same with some pretty repetitive vocal patterns interlaced. Im a metalhead, and obviously there are long winded songs, but they tend to have some ebbs and flows throughout. Whether that be a riff, a chug, a cool vocal line, or an ambient section, I just find theres more interesting variation with how its presented. There are some hip hop artists I do enjoy. Such as: Nas, Deltron 3030, Busdriver, Aesop rock, Immortal technique, Wu tang, dead prez. Im also a fan of Clipping, which is a relatively new artist. Again though, I dont like much beyond that. Im extremely picky with the genre as a whole when compared to other genres.

[@sherriegonzalez8067]

I had the same thing happen the other week while listening to Cross. I hadn’t listened to it in a long time but it was the soundtrack to my college bloghaus days. That album has aged perfectly.

[@colinmusic3878]

cried to the cross album by justice ... my guy!!! that album is basically perfect . u r the truth fantano

[@Wuffskers]

personally I'm pretty picky about hip hop just because of what I tend to prioritize with music. I'm not a huge lyrics guy, I also tend to really like melody and harmony and I'm a sucker for a catchy hook, so a song that is predominantly a beat and a lot of rapping where like the main appeal is the lyrics I tend not to like as much, same goes for a lot of really minimal singer-songwriter stuff, it just tends not to do it for me. Of course there are still plenty of catchy melodic hip hop songs, Run, Run, Run by McKinley Dixon was one of my favorite songs last year and was constantly in my head.

[@duyanhng8430]

you must hate the genre of white guy with an acoustic guitar i suppose

[@tylere.8436]

I'm sort of on the same camp. I love listening to music with the beat and melody, the singing is just sonic texture for me personally, I don't really care for the meaning of the lyrics, but rather how they sound with the rest of the song. It's why rap isn't really my cup of tea, because it's by nature a lyric focused genre, you absolutely have to focus on the meaning. Heck, I enjoy instrumentals a lot of the time, acapellas are hard for me.

[@Wuffskers]

@@duyanhng8430 I don't hate it necessarily it just doesn't do much for me, I don't completely disregard lyrics, sometimes a lyric can be powerful and move me but it's just not something I'm looking for usually. The more minimal the music the more the lyrics have to be REALLY good for me to really like it, for that reason I wasn't a huge fan of the boygenius record, there were also a couple songs on the new Underscores album where it was very minimal electronic music to just kinda act as atmosphere for lyrics and some of the lyrics were interesting but I was like "I'll probably never listen to this again".

[@johnhermes4112]

I know this is a pretty obvious pick, but for the never heard music before question I would go back to basics with Bach’s “The Well Tempered Clavier”. It’s basically the foundation for modern classical and popular music we’ve been building on for the past 300 years. But apart from the historical context, it’s just a really pleasant set of music to listen to. I’d say almost anything written by Bach is fair game to answer this question with, but this is special.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

I don’t really like hip-hop. Occasionally there’ll be a song I enjoy but as a general rule I never listen to it. And yeah, I do worry that people give me the side-eye when I say so. But it just doesn’t do it for me.

[@Ed.strell]

As long as you acknowledge the fact that a lot of musicianship and history is behind hip hop then you’re all good.

[@froglifes6829]

@@Ed.strell They dont need to acknowledge anything for them to dislike a genre of music. Grow up.

[@Ed.strell]

@@froglifes6829 If you’re are denying that hip hop has a history and that hip hop artists are musicians then that is pretty arrogant and suggestive of racism imo because at that point you’re ignoring facts and denying a whole culture

[@froglifes6829]

@@Ed.strell LOL Nice joke. Am not denying nor acknowledeing anything. You dont need to to dislike a genre of music. Nobody said any of the bs you wrote. You really are one of those sensitive twitter fingers people lol. You are ignoring facts and denying someone their rights.

[@Ed.strell]

@@froglifes6829 No, I know you’re not denying anything I’m saying IF someone is then I think that’s suggestive of racism that’s my only point. Anyone can dislike whatever they want and speak up about it, as I said what I have a problem with is when people say that hiphop isn’t music or that hiphop artists aren’t musicians or when they deny the fact that hiphop has a rich history, those are just facts. I’m not saying anyone said that but if they did that would be suggestive of racism to me. I am not trying to attack your rights people can say whatever they want I don’t care but I also have the right to say why I think and call out racism as well. Also I hate twitter and I don’t use it.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

I actually just don't like hip hop. There are certain styles that I find more enjoyable than others, but I don't even really listen to those on my own time. There's so much other music that I enjoy infinitely more.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Obviously. But they tend to use that dislike to make racist generalizations and comments

[@aidanvitticore3475]

The bagpipes hater NEEDS to hear Blood and Butter - Caroline Polachek

[@brownbenplumm9027]

Last song I cried to: “Long Long Time” by Linda Ronstadt. That voice never fails to get the emotions going

[@tacodfs]

BSS was crazy when you think back like they had core members of Stars, Metric, Do Make Think Say, and freakin Feist. A real who's who of the Toronto indie scene

[@ChristofEightyEight]

I listened to all those bands religiously around 2010. Crazy congregation of talent.

[@Metallizombie]

I remember being in high school and telling some people I didn’t like rap music. They then asked me if I liked Eminem or ICP. I reiterated that I do not like rap music.

[@thewiseowl8804]

Oh but you must like white rappers because look at you! You look like Eminem!

[@vain.a2]

wait what about macklemore?

[@michalovesanime]

​​​@@thewiseowl8804think you missed what the ACTUAL function of that question was. Back in the day people who said they didnt like rap often DID LIKE Eminem.. They ,people who hated the genre ,would proclaim that he also was the best rapper alive. So if that kid had said he did like Emimen after stating he didnt like rap, that was a way to have someone out themselves as probably racist or at least deeply ignorant . Cuz him being white and pretty good was almost like an own to racist white people. Having this white guy be better than black people at a black genre ( not knowing most modern American music has Black American influences ), was very attractive to racist and white surpremists because those were the times where those people genuienly thought black people never contributed ANYTHING to any part of life. It wasnt about typecasting white people.. It was about seeing through white racist bullshit. Because obviously, you like rap if you like Eminem since he is a rapper. The only reason to say you dislike it ,while liking only Eminem was rap being black and people having issues with " black culture". Again times have changed. Probably why you missed the actual function of that question lol, you made into a self vicitmization question of white people being all the same. While white people ,especially back then, were the ONLY GROUP that was allowed to be seen as indiviudals and not a monolithic group where the actions of one individual dictated the actions of every single person of that ethnic group.

[@thewiseowl8804]

@@michalovesanime I was speaking directly to the commenter.

[@WheresMyInhaler]

@@michalovesanimeNo sorry , you still aren’t racist just because Eminem is the only rap artist that you liked . People listen to music that they can relate too.

[@yadawanksonallfours]

i’m still subscribed to good mythical morning but i haven’t watched a single video in years. they’re two of the nicest and most entertaining people on the platform, but there’s only so many times you can make absolutely nothing content like “What will ketchup taste like if it was made from other fruit”

[@pixelperfect1729]

For the first album prompt, I would go with Nick Drake’s “Pink Moon”. Simple and emotionally stirring.

[@eliasmg9144]

My pick would be Queen's Greatest Hits I, because most people's introduction to music is usually individual songs instead of a full cohesive album, and Queen's singles are straight fire.

[@antlerman7644]

Love that album

[@DefenestrateYourself]

🔥 choice

[@LookingForAName...]

Big hip hop fan here. Let's be clear though, someone not liking hip hop because of the violence and street life it often portrays isn't racist, it's perfectly legitimate. I don't know if any other genre has contributed to as many violent deaths as hip hop. A large section of hip hop really is about drugs, violence and fucking, disproportionately so in the mainstream.

[@HO-yc3pv]

Crying to Justice - Cross is a massive W in a while from antknee

[@shrimpscampin]

10:34 i have moments with metal riffs like this, a good solo can get me choked up a bit. something about the intensity, lots of metal has a soaring, inspiring sound that touches my heart

[@Slime-Man-Extreme]

Epic xD

[@DiscoPickle102]

I wonder if the album being approachable would even be a factor if you had never heard music before. I would genuinely love to see someone who had never heard music before react to Sing To God. Without expectations about what music is supposed to sound like, maybe they'd never have to get over the hurdle of it sounding "weird" or noisy

[@hinthintadamo]

Crying to Justice is iconic and relatable

[@NeonSolo]

I'm so glad you called him sxephil. What a throwback

[@tss3393]

9:46 Life's been too busy to give this song my full emotional attention, but it's only a matter of time until Scapegoat by ANOHNI and the Johnsons makes me bawl my eyes out, especially during that guitar solo.

[@Guren13]

Shit man, I relate so much on the Justice album Cross. Like, that album stays on constant rotation for me as much as Daft Punk's Discovery album. I get teleported mentally back to that era of house and it makes me damn near wanna tear up. It's like being in a groove-centric, RGB, disco ball lighted club back in the day and losing yourself in a fever dream❤❤

[@jianwhite7179]

if Carolina Polachek can put bagpipes into a song, so can you

[@crazyratlady3115]

I think the problem with bagpipes is they're not meant to be played indoors or blared into a microphone. They're meant to be played outdoors. You're meant to pass them on the street while you're window shopping in the city, and you're meant to hear them droning from some distant hill on a misty morning. It's a scientific fact that allies love bagpipes and actually feel less pain when listening to bagpipes, and enemies hate bagpipes and feel annoyed or demoralised by it, so... to those who hate bagpipes, it is actually a you problem.

[@ChristofEightyEight]

Spot on

[@Ten_Thousand_Locusts]

Yeah no bagpipes fucking suck seethe more

[@coblenski1]

exactly, bagpipes are fully about context. nothing stirs the Scottish heart more than seeing a piper on the hills, at a wedding, or playing a dirge at a funeral.

[@noahsnumismatics]

there’s so much cancerous bad rap now a days I can understand why some dislike it all together but they more than likely havent dived into good hip hop which is sad since there’s so much good music they’re missing out on

[@birchwwolf]

11:02 i think someone entirely new to music could handle "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" off of Abbey Road. here's why: the first LP i remembering hearing was Pat Metheny Group's Letter from Home. i was 3. everything before that was nursery rhymes, sung or recorded. PMG's balearic jazz fusion was really exciting and pleasant, and was the first time i internalized that hey, music does actually exist. Side A closer "5-5-7" gets a bit moody, but has a midsection that matches the brightness of the rest of that side. but Side B gives us "Are We There Yet", an epic with foreboding ass chord changes, ominous tribal percussion, and a synth guitar solo that nearly resembles an elephant's cry. After an absolutely furious climax, the song drifts in ambience for 4 straight minutes, mutating slowly from uncertainty and creepiness, to probably the warmest blanket of synth chords possible as follower "Vidala" opens. "Vidala" is a slice of Argentinian folk with the same kind of drumming and ominous synth pads, but i guess having a vocal and a pan flute solo helped soothe things over. And then the album continues afterward as if those moments didn't happen. It was so eye-opening to have a taste of something that at the time felt truly terrifying. that music could be designed to stimulate as well as placate. that it could tell its own stories with twists, developments, rather than blankly convey a happy mood. my dad dubbed a copy of the CD on cassette for me, and i've kept it ever since. Even got Metheny's signature on the J-card dad wrote the tracklist onto.

[@conrtmas]

Justice is such a fuckin amazing album man

[@RobertLivingston828]

Showing someone Corey Feldman has to be some form of assault

[@jasonbraun127]

I think it's weird to think of the evolution of music as something linear and in order to "get" later developments you have to listen to their origin points first. The things that sound weird or forward thinking to us in many cases only do so because it's outside of what we consider normal and that in turn is formed by the things we are most regularly exposed to. Even something like Pulse Demon makes perfect sense if you have the right expectation for what music is. It's not weird to me at all that there are people that create abstract and abrasive soundscapes because it mirrors what's happening in other forms of art as well so I know to expect it.

[@po9t]

there we go! some high quality fantano content 😭

[@tbrown15]

Broken Social Scene were a great great band that didn’t get the credit it deserved for being as musical as it was.

[@eliasE989]

I don't listen to hip hop. There are some good songs and albums but overall it's not my thing. But I love jazz, neo soul is great too. People are just ignorant if they act like hip hop is the only genre that's largely connected to black people.

[@GreekHouseEffect]

My man, do a classic review of Cross already if it made you cry. I'm a massive Justice fan and I can't see how it could have this effect on you, but good for you, because it is an incredible record, 17 years later

[@JaeHavoc]

The bagpipes on Do You Want More by the roots (the song) make that beat hard asf honestly

[@jna9841]

Fantano should guest on GMM someday.

[@tiago9679]

if it's not for you but you respect the artform then it's all good

[@CSHennessey]

So true, I have had multiple people who have used the argument “it’s not real music” which is not only wrong but a conservative talking point that is so ass it’s crazy

[@blarghblargh]

​​@@CSHennesseyit used to just be a snotty elitist (and plausibly unconsciously racist) music student thing. A lot of people who thought they knew music well, who really just liked classical music, and maybe some prog rock. I know because I had orchestra class with at least a few of those dinguses. Then some political ideologue realized their audience wanted to hear that bullshit.

[@DefenestrateYourself]

Must every art form be respected though?

[@tylery7881]

I’ll be straight up, the most recent songs that have gotten me to tear up or borderline just start crying was the majority of the songs off of Porter Robinson’s Nurture album. I don’t know but it seems like that album is the perfect thing to listen to when you need to be reminded that it’s all going to be ok.

[@JGarcia-yr9fx]

The bagpipes on Timmy's Prayer are beautiful 😢

[@IgnorancEnArrogance]

I love so much hip hop and rap. But it has taken over the mainstream music industry in the past decade and I sometimes feel I'm pressured to have to love every single rap artist or else I'm seen as snob.

[@mierardi88]

...I never thought I'd hear, in the year of our Lord 2024, that Feist is Freakin' Raekwon Edit: I like bagpipes, but we need more hurdy-gurdy

[@hgfskate]

Honestly I cry almost every time I hear Genesis by Justice, it’s just such a perfect song I get overwhelmed

[@AlanWakeford]

Hey bagpipes Went to a scotti military bar where the full regiment bagpipe band played and i swear it was an out of body experience. The sound was so invasive that it felt like your lungs were vibrating but without hurting the ears. It almost made you feel drunk. That and with great beer I would love to re-experience that night again. Out of worldly.

[@chrishazfun]

Bagpipe is probably the most socially acceptable form of drone music.

[@fluidthought42]

Sunn0))) bagpipe album when

[@audiosurfarchive]

I laughed pretty hard as an enjoyer of drone, ambient, ambient electronica etc

[@xivivix7195]

"Come Talk to Me" by Peter Gabriel has some sick bagpipes. The only time in history that bagpipes have sounded good.

[@gustavoibarracarrizalez]

Happy New Year to the editor 🎉

[@Terrible_Peril]

aw, I remember when they filmed that Joyner video. The mill building is gone now, another luxury high rise "affordable housing" project in its place that none of us can afford. I met DMX there one night when he was hanging with Joyner and they went to Project2. Had a way-too-candid conversation with that man since we were both in weird places in our lives. He was, to my knowledge, staying at a rehab facility a couple towns south, I was going through an absolutely filthy divorce. It was honestly a really touching moment, so regardless of what he did or how he treated others, I keep good thoughts for him and his.

[@Aryeh487]

Caroline Polachek's bagpipe solo on Blood & Butter was awesome

[@jayagemkyne2685]

Last song I teared up on was wild world cat stevens, or perfect circle Mac miller

[@ChristofEightyEight]

Cat Stevens has a few of those that really hit my waterworks. Father and Son and the Wind, for instance.

[@NoFoxGvn]

Hating hip hop isn’t racist. But I have had people say Rap is fundamentally not music and shouldn’t be considered music. That sounds racist.

[@SpawnRevenge92]

Bagpipes have been used in some great music. I admit, I wouldn't listen to an entire album of JUST bagpipes, but I do like music where they were implemented.

[@bleunt]

I love hiphop and even I hate hiphop.

[@bbqseitan7106]

I don’t really like rap music. The general tonality and melodies don’t really hit me in the right way. It’s also mostly a static genre with little to no shifts, and I love my dynamics. That being said there are some songs and some artists that have really impressed me, just more often than not it’s all very one dimensional to me.

[@Safetysealed]

On the subject of bagpipes not fitting in modern music, I have to call bullcookies on that one. It can and does work, there's just not many bands doing it. There's a greek band called Thrax Punks or ΘΡΑΞ ΠΑΝΚC who do a modern rock ish take on greek folk music, which extensively features a greek bagpipe called a gaida and I love it.

[@Mentyr]

Ohh, thanks for the recommendation! Gave 'em a quick listen and they're right up my alley!

[@PondOfGlue]

The album I’d pick to play for someone who had never heard music before is HANDS DOWN Sufjan’s Illinois. Hands down. Front to back. All the way through. In one sitting.

[@basedjenny7362]

Los Pollos and Fantano are a cute couple

[@PalaeoJoe]

I fucking love blues rock

[@destructiveblade7446]

Persona Non Grata by Bright Eyes proves that you can make a modern bagpipe banger!

[@kutnersuicide]

I'd say disliking or being uninterested by Hip Hop is fine. "Hating" it as a whole, meaning feeling real hatred towards the culture isn't necessarily racist BUT can be motivated by racism. I'd go as far as to say it's sus. I personally don't listen to Hip Hop music. But I've occasionally heard some stuff that picked my interest or at least makes me think this is a valid, sometimes challenging form of art.

[@justicebeske5704]

you can not listen to hip hop and also not feel the need to constantly make everyone aware that you hate it and complain about it all the time

[@perfectallycromulent]

i'll take the controversial position on: I think bagpipes sound alright. i really depends on how they're played. my college had one of those weird historical legacy things for them, so i've heard plenty.

[@isthatsupposedtobeadog8901]

I think we need to clarify between "not liking" hip hop and "hating" hip hop. Because there is a difference. And you can say that its not racist to hate hip hop but when the people that /hate/ hip hop 99% of the time turn out to be racist, that's a correlation and you cant blame people for believing that. In high school in the early to mid 2000s there were definite argument with the same people that would start a sentence with "I'm not racist but..." and go on to list off the black traits of hip hop as the reason they hate it. And then go and finish it with "But I guess if I listen to it I would listen to Eminem"

[@faqih9685]

Counter argument that bagpipe isn't all that bad: Neutral Milk Hotel - [untitled]

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Yucky

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@@mildly_miffed_man1414 Yummy in my tummy