Let's Just Rewrite This Mess... | Story Critique Playthrough of Jak 3

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

I'm still in the beginning of the video (at Kleiver's introduction) and I wanna try my hand at interpreting the line you pointed out. When he refers to himself as "the guy who runs this place" I believe he's referring to himself being kinda like the Vin of Spargus. You know how Vin's the one running the power station in Haven City? He's not literally in charge, far from it, but he's the guy who keeps the lights on. Kleiver's like that, but with more muscles and oil. He's the guy keeping the lights on, fixing the water pumps, oiling the gatelocks, working on the cars, cooking the food, (food stores), being the janitor, that kinda stuff. He doesn't run Spargus in the political sense, but he runs it in the literal sense. Damas can play king all he wants, but Kleiver enables all of them to actually, you know, live.

[@Nico-the-Nacho]

"Those look like coordinates, like the ones from-" I've never been sure what he's referring to here. Is it the time map? I kinda feel like there should have been like, a novel or comic between Jak II and 3 where some of this stuff got properly introduced. (Edit: I posted this before I got to your breakdown of this cutscene and you basically said the same thing I just did) Yeah, I'm pretty sure Jak pretty much summoned the Dark Makers by tampering with that satellite. Seem is right to be pissed, he doomed them all.

[@Alt_Haven]

Or just the garage, and street-level action. The Krew of Spargus; but ironically less corruptible as the lawless environs keep wastelanders honest.

[@SilverSpade92]

Yee, that's always how I interpreted it too. Kliever is kind of the Mike to Damas' Gus. Kliever is given a lot of leeway and authority, as long as he gets the job done.

[@dautolover]

It always irked me that Ashlyn says that the council is too strong when Jak is being thrown into the desert, but then later in the game, dissolves it and fires Veger. Like wtf.

[@J-V89]

Thegamingbritshow did a retrospective on the jak games and he gave a good pitch for erol being consumed by dark eco instead of being a cyborg. And in the end its light jak vs dark erol

[@daviegravie]

One thing I hate about Jak 3 is how the haven forest is unrecognisable vs the jak 2 one, it has no resemblance yet you enter it at the same place in both the games

[@yashwant7109]

last time i checked, this game doesn't have missable orbs

[@wilsonmedeiros3881]

It actually does because I went for it on Ps5 did eveything gold and still not have the platinum

[@firenze6478]

Erral be like… Somehow palpatine returned

[@JAMOSS_Official369]

I always thought it would have been amazing if in the base game you destroy the kg death bot factory and all the kg bots get deactivated removing that threat and when you destroy the metal head nest tower it kills metal heads and restores the land and by the end of the game the map is full restored to a similar version of Jak 2

[@fluffygargos7066]

A couple foot notes I thought of over the years; - The training/combat trials should've been captured metal heads seeing that there are already wild metal heads in the wastelands and maybe there will be a mission where Jak thinks Daxter died by some sort giant metal head so he goes Dark Jak mode and that's when Damas finds out and realizing he can control it that's when he finally thinks of how Jak could be useful. There are a bunch of abandoned structures throughout the desert that hold secrets that have been locked away for centuries and can only be opened by wielder of Dark Eco, they initially believed only the corrupted Precursors could open these structures but now realize Jak also could so Damas sends him on missions to uncover these secrets with Kliever. - Erol making a return is cool but not nearly as important, I think the signal the Dark Makers were picking up should've been coming from Gol and Maia, I think them surviving 100s of years in a pool of Dark Eco in a piece of a Precursor robot sounds dope. They should also be the metal head's new leader due to their large amounts of Dark Eco in their genes at this point especially with the Metal Head Leader dead. - Last note I'll mention, at some point maybe after Jak receives Light Eco powers Damas is questioning how Jak can actually use these eco powers and thinks of his son (young Jak) who also showed a gift of being able to channel eco powers and at some point tells Jak about his son that was taken from him and describes him and that's when Jak realizes that Damas is his father but doesn't say anything, yet.

[@SilverSpade92]

I don't agree with the last one, because why wouldn't Jak say anything? But the others are good. I like to think Torn would be very confused about the whole Gol and Maia thing. Jak would rub his forehead in frustration and say it's a LONG story, and Daxter would interject with: "Yeah, from back when I had pants!!!" >:/ The dark eco structures would be dope. Could also have been the way you get back to haven. And now with a path forged, the wastelanders decided to invade Haven out of spite and opportunity.

[@SilverSpade92]

*Haven't watched the whole thing yet, but I think you can make Erol work in Jak 3 with one simple change:* Don't give Erol a robot body. Make him immobile. It's not like he uses it for anything worthwhile anyway. You couldn't have put some weapons on that thing? Or just brawled Jak with it during the boss fight? So, with this change, let's imagine a revised story: Sometime after the death of The Baron, the flying lab appeared. Initially, the Freedom League believed the KG bots were being run by an AI that The Baron set up prior to his death, with the directive to search for and destroy metal heads. The league used this to their advantage, as the bots would focus on metal heads over Freedom League soldiers. Except by the time Jak returned to Haven, the bots and metal heads had stopped fighting eachother, and directed their efforts against the Freedom League. The league couldn't make heads or tails of it until Jak actually infiltrated the lab: And thats when the reveal comes in: In a large empty room in the center of the lab, with tall walls that span several stories, Jak and Daxter find Erol, or at least what's left of him. He's bound to a monolith suspended from the cieling. From the back of his head there are several wires, that snake upward. Jak and Daxter are horrified, even more so when Erol reveals he's fully concious. Erol explains through gritted teeth that his life was saved by The Barons new bots, but by the time he woke up the Baron was dead. The Baron had never programmed the bots to yield to any authority besides his own. So in their mind Erol was merely an asset, which they put to good use by integrating Erols organic mind into their AI. This allowed the KG bots to approach their directive much more effectively. As such, Erol has been trapped in this room against his will for a very long time. Jak, recognizing that his rivals predicament now once mirrored his own, offers to help. This display of pity only enrages Erol further, who goes onto explain that he at some point managed to find a way to "persuade" the bots in tiny ways. That's why the bots shifted focus. As Erol figured out ways to manipulate the bots, they shifted their directive in favor of Erols own agenda: "Destroy Jak (and everyone Jak cares about for good measure)" Jak still offers to help, and pleads with Erol to let go of his hate, but Erol won't have it. He reveals that he's had the lab bots put together a little present for Jak, in case he ever came to visit. Cue the appearence of what can only be described as a kind of mechanical abomonation. A mish-mash of several different types of KG bot, grafted in spiteful ways onto and into eachother, to create some kind of hulking giant monster. Something viceral, assembled crudly out of spite and malice. Something that has a way of moving that isn't a way things should move. Cue boss fight, possibly also with some kind of evasion sequence using a vehicle. When Jak defeats the boss, Erol becomes ever more enraged, and in a last-ditch effort executes his final trick. A self-destruct sequence of the entire lab. Cue final escape sequence on foot. I think that's a fitting use of Erol for 3. Erol was Jaks rival, and with this ending the point is brought home that Erol is what Jak may have become if he'd let his need for revenge consume him. How this would fit into the dark makers plot, I dunno. I always throught that part was pretty weak in the first place. I'll keep watching to see what y'all think.

[@Uberdude6666]

Haha, this project is a great idea! So glad the J&D-community has you! :D A bit late to the party, maybe. But here are my own thoughts as I watched... : "The KG has a new leader" Yea, no shit Torn. And guess what, that leader is you, silly. You were supposed to reform them into "the new Krimson Guard", remember? Clearly someone did a shitty job at rooting out Praxis-hardliners and shutting down the secret robot-project..... Veger not examining the Precursor catacombs CAN be explained by it being very inaccessible. There is tons of rubble and a metal head-army in the way. But those problems should be shown more throughout the game, like Veger's secret schemes being unraveled more gradually throughout the story and his goal of "reaching the catacombs" being more prominent. I think its completely in character for Ashelin to have secretly given beacons to citizens who were banished to the Wasteland. She was always "reluctantly loyal" I believe, she would try to do whatever good she could, when possible. But it makes me wonder about the time-scope though: Did Ashelin set this up with Daemos back when he was banished? How old is Ashelin and when exactly was Praxis' coup? Presumably it was after "young Jak" in Jak2 was born. The game could have shown us more of this back story! I agree Spargus city and "surviving the wasteland" is a bit underwhelming... If you wanna go true grimdark, show just how brutal society in Spargus is by having Daemos send Jak on impossible missions to clear out metal head-infestations or rescue hostages from the Mauraders or sth. As missions get increasingly impossible, Jak calls Daemos out on it. Through Clever/other Wastelander-characters, Jak eventually realizes that yes, its a shit deal, but he can take it or leave it as far as anyone is concerned. This would surely make it more impactful when Daemos' compassion for Jak develops later. Yes Keira should be banished too!! And Samos. For being "Jak's accomplices". Then its like the whole original cast, out on new adventures. Your new ideas for Erol sounds funny tbh. I can see him being this really desperate suck-up who does ANYTHING to get at Jak. He even aligns himself with the Dark makers in order to be on the side who defeats Jak. Or sth, I dunno lol Saving Haven city for act 3 sounds really interesting! I imagine sth like things in Haven get so bad (basically nobody stops Veger's mismanagement), Ashelin and Torn comes to Spargus, along a contingent of Freedom League-troopers and Underground-veterans. They basically ask Damos for help to stage another coup, this time against Veger and his cronies. The "war in Haven City" is Damos leading a Wastelander-invasion of the city, alongside Ashelin & Torn and their "rebel Freedom League-troopers" (maybe Veger's soldiers are good old red/yellow Krimzon Guards?) The "Return to Haven City"-missions could then be about finding a secret entrance to sneak the invasion force in stealthily (Jak has character-development and really comes into his own as a leader during this part). At the end of the coup, Veger has his theatrical death where he does his "Fools, you have no idea what is coming!"-reveal, confirming that the Dark Makers are actually coming and initiating the "Dark Maker-finale" of the game. Veger dies before he can reveal his plan for the catacombs and planetary defence grid. But luckily, Keira and Samous' research (which perhaps is made more prominent throughout the game) gives them the info they need to make an attempt! When Damos then dies, and Jak learns he is his son, it opens up the possibility of Jak being made the ruler of Haven city (reluctantly, more like a figure head, ofc.), thus bringing about a new "reign of Mar" or sth. This could be yet another drop fed into that whole time paradox-thing.

[@looeyg]

Zeke, every color of eco has a use already Green - Health Blue - Speed Red - Strength Yellow - pew pew

[@trashlord3214]

Man, hearing all your musings reminds me of when i tried to do my own kinda rewrite/re-imagining of Jak II and 3 - namely, how I didn't have any ideas for 3 because I never bothered playing it(was too young when it came out, and by the time I could play it II soured me on the notion). The points about how fucked up it is that Damos forces you to murder a bunch of guys, how Jak technically started the whole thing with the Dark Makers, and a few others are all really good, but I'd feel bad if just straight-up lifted those :Y

[@Alt_Haven]

It's good to hear so many other people have spent time trying to retcon this series. It's needed.

[@keithealy]

Ayy this is super awesome! I really hope this project can come to fruitiion, even if not, it's still a lot of fun. Also, Jak 2 is so good.

[@GemGames3]

I have more nostalgia with Jak 3 as I actually owned the game and had to borrow Jak 2 (When the PS3 version came out I finally owned all three only missing Jak 2) I still have a lot of unanswered questions about Damas, the royal family, how Jak is Mar etc.

[@zeroattentiongaming820]

Say what you will about The Lost Frontier but having Keira along for the ride was a major improvement over her barely existing in 3

[@nyhtfall1969]

Yay?

[@daviegravie]

I'm so keen to see what the re writing of Jak 3 will be, seems pretty sick at the moment, I would pay money to play the re write version of Jak 3

[@dakotalange2858]

Maybe the crystals give you boosts to your light and dark eco powers like how the armor increases your health?

[@LucianPennacota]

Im back to the fandom after years so its all from memory: Damas and Jak had a good mentor-student relantionship (we should get more scenes tho) and it was a place for Jak to feel welcomed in again. Damas was rough but he was honest with Jak and accepted him more than Keira (who seemed fixated on his younger Hero persona). part of Jaks character after being the typical Hero in Jak 1 was accepting his dark side as well. When he goes to Haven City the game kinda drops Spargus? Its like we jump in a different game, we should have some connection to Spargus storywise as we spent time there, make it connect to the overall plot and have some emotional weight. Why are we in this political conflict we dont know much off? We should get hints, have a build up to the villains. Dont Make erol look like a random villain, focus on his role within the story. Erol is focused on revenge maybe he could contrast with Jak letting go of it. Have the race to the Precurors have more contestants with their own reasons. the Precursor revelation can stay that was hilarious keep up with the good content :D

[@FunkatronicDingus]

Excellent! I wasn't able to attend these streams for more than just 20 minutes at one point, so I'm happy you uploaded a condensed version! 👍

[@afro_souledits2382]

I just beat the game yesterday Beat jak 2 this past spring And precursor last year Replaying the games now as a adult vs as a kid in the 2000s ,you come to realized It was alot of lore , content left out of the trilogy and jak 3 felt so rushed and empty next to having overpowered weapons and demi god abilities I wish we got more lore about the world in jak 3 from its natural creatures to every type of metalheads that invaded it Or having villages in the wasteland map with its own people,side missions,lore , the History of the horrors the wasteland people faced in the metalhead war which would hit home why Haven City in jak 2 was one of the few cities that was salvation for survivors during the human genocide from the metalheads Precursor legacy already left tons of mystery and wanting to know more of the planet with each environmental level you come across,it been nice if we got more of that in jak 2 and jak 3

[@JAMOSS_Official369]

I also think the story would be so much more easier to explain if the dark makers where changed to the metal heads and the space ship daystar was just more metal head beings coming to take over the planet after Kor Failed to do so. And didn’t the precursors say in Jak 2 that they fought the Hora-Quan for eons? this would line up well to make the reimagining of Jak 3 better. So I reckon scrap the dark makers and just make them Ancient Metal heads older than Kor. Errol and the krimson guard had connections to the metal heads so it would make sense how he gets involved with them.

[@FlyBySparrow]

I truly hope and can't wait for this to come to reality it's my first video of yours being seen and I'm hooked can not wait

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

aww thank you :) I hope we can pull this off too, it's just going to take a looooong time haha. Also in case you didn't know, this is actually my second channel, my proper videos and all the streams I do are on my main channel :)

[@johnmurphy2333]

I would absolutely change the tutorial to have it start you in the dessert, possibly having the arena as an enemy faction that you drive to.

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

an idea similar to this has been floated around at some point. we're still focusing on the big picture stuff first before the specifics tho

[@martinbarrettgamer4333]

​@@powercellzekestreams1295 Honestly power cell zeke I just feel like you’re over thinking things🤦‍♂ the only part that I agree on is for them to bring Keira into the story. And for them to develop the Mar story line and answer some of those questions that fans has been asking for. And so far as the gun play I think they should keep the 12 guns but for different situations and maybe they can make the enemies more intelligent and stronger and maybe they can block the bean reflexer forcing the player to think outside the box. And so far as the light and dark crystal being into the story and getting the light crystal before he get his light power, I guess I can see where you coming from but at the same time even though that I love story lines I don’t think they should explain every single details as it will take away from the game play as the light and dark crystals was already explain on what it’s used for and besides video games is not suppose to make sense any way it’s suppose to get to point A, to B to C so calling Jak3 a hot mess and un consistent saying Jak3 sucks that’s your opinion, but trying to get other people to hate Jak3 because you don’t like it I just think thats toxic when Jak3 is one of the best trilogy out there besides its flaws. It’s 10 times better than the lost frontier and did a lot of things right that Jak2 was lacking on such as check point and dark Jak. so for me, even though that I like the precursor legacy more, Jak3 is my second favorite, And so far as your Jak3 open goal project even if you remove those parts that you don’t like about Jak3 you will be removing some of the important parts of Jak3 and wouldn’t make the most since unless you change the hold intro and find away to get the voice actor back which can fall into the copy right issue and even if you would to use unreal engine you will put your self and your team of big risk of Sony and Naughty Dog sueing. unless it's just a fan idea. so good luck on your project.

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

@@martinbarrettgamer4333 Like I said at the start of the video, I still love this game despite the issues I have with it, and I don't disparage anyone who enjoys the game. And respectfully, I don't think my behavior displayed in this video is toxic in any way. I'm not "trying to get people to hate Jak 3", I'm expressing the issues I have with it, and people just so happen to agree with me. I can't force anyone to think a certain way about the game. In terms of trying to balance the weapons, I think it would be incredibly difficult to do so. I don't think Naughty Dog were putting a whole lot of thought into the weapon balance in this game, or how well designed each weapon is, which is why I'm ok with just ditching them. I think Jak 3 in the grand scheme of things is a polished, good game. But as a game in the Jak and Daxter series, I think it could have been so much more. Jak 1 and Jak 2 feel like fully realised experiences, the creative decisions behind them feel inspired. Jak 3 feels like it doesn't know what it wants to be, it doesn't feel confident in its own identity. This is all very abstract stuff that has little to do with the actual *quality* of the game, so I can understand you not picking up on the distinction. However, I think your comment "besides video games are not supposed to make sense" is really harmful to video games as an art form. We should have the freedom to critique the games we love on the same level as other forms of art, instead of simply dismissing any issues with the idea that "it's just a video game". I'd urge you to reconsider your position on that. When it comes to copyright, the way we're approaching it should be fine. We're going to be making the mod through entirely volunteer work, and any voice actors we get will be fans. There's no way we could get the *real* voice actors on the project, nor would we want to.

[@martinbarrettgamer4333]

​@@powercellzekestreams1295 Yes, I do get what you mean And when I mean about " video games are not supposed to make sense” I mean video game is not suppose to beat you over the head on how Jak fart out his butt or how he move his fingers nails, the main idea is that we get the idea that they probably found those eco crystals into the waste land and overly explaining and giving out too much detail can also be bad story telling don’t you think? Not saying that it can’t be explore. And yes I do agree Jak3 can be so much more and some of those concept of the eco crystals being upgrades I don’t think that’s a bad idea. Which I do appreciate you for taking out of your time to read my comment and I apologize if I miss understand you.

[@VerdantSeamanJL]

There aren't many comments here yet, so I'll say it: I hope for a time shenanigan where Jak actually goes on the universal adventures and when he's done, that's when he reappears in the final scene, and maybe you could add him being aged up a bit when he reappears, giving you the possibility to make your own Jak 4! I honestly hope you see this because I've had this idea for a while, but nobody to tell it to and nowhere to put it where it might have a chance to actually happen, so I hope you can take some ideas from this, and if you do want to take one of my ideas and use it, having my name in the credits somewhere would be nice. I love a lot of the stuff you have planned for the re-plotting, and I look forward to playing it myself!

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

Well at this point, we're unsure how much of that final scene we're keeping (if any of it). But aside from that, I've never liked the "Jak is Mar" theory that posits that he time traveled when he went with the Precursors to do all these adventures on his own, because I think it detracts from the scene, from Jak's decision to stay with Daxter because he cares about him. And I think this applies equally to a scenario where we explored the universe when he went with the Precursors. So if a Jak 4 were to be made (official or fan made), I'd want it to be forward looking, not get so caught up in over-explaining stuff from the trilogy

[@VerdantSeamanJL]

@powercellzekestreams1295 You make a solid point there, however, I was implying that he would have not had Daxter temporarily, like in a bunch of Ratchet and Clank games, you know? And while I didn't think about Jak's time traveling to be Mar scenario, I think it would be interesting to make a game (perhaps naming it Jak 1.5?) about how Jak makes the city, and all of the challenges he has to overcome towards building the city, such as defending against the metalheads. You know, I'd be glad to come help in a group chat about theorycrafting and coming up with ways to implement story ideas and suggestions, if you'd be willing to let one more guy join your team! I'd love to be a part of something as cool as a reimagining of one of my childhood favorite games, and a chance to help contribute to it. Just tell me where to go for a chat, and I'll be there!

[@Alt_Haven]

I mean, what would be more fitting for a screwy time-travel story than to have the past-raised, present-tested maturing hero travel to the middle past and use near-supernatural future technology to explore and build the present-time world. @@VerdantSeamanJL

[@vincentsteinbach1881]

What if it was just Jak that was brought to the desert and not Daxter? I feel like that would create more impact on his character IMO. Plus it’d be an interesting take to play as Jak then play as Daxter, kinda like in Ratchet and Clank:A Crack in Time

[@deadlocked5337]

That Ratchet and Clank technique was reused in The Last of Us Part 1 and 2, I think God of War Ragnarök also uses it.

[@SilverSpade92]

1:57:09 *Damas:* Welcome to the clan! *Jak:* (Immediately fucks off to haven city) *Damas:* _Thanksforjoiningtheteamjak!_

[@asiajordan3206]

they need to aleast show that there are other counsel people cause it sounded there were more of the counsel than veger

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

Oh yeah, my fav Jak villain, "the Council". The group of people responsible for Jak's banishment, whom we never see aside from Veger, and is dissolved out of nowhere in the middle of the game, even though Ashelin says "the council is too powerful" in response to Jak being banished. Great game, much good writing. I'm honestly not sure if we're even keeping this "Countil" entity in our version. We're definitely keeping Veger, but idk if he's gonna be a lone actor, or manipulate this "Council". I guess we'll see

[@Alt_Haven]

It's often the administrative bloat that corrupts an organization

[@Madman13K]

@@powercellzekestreams1295 I always figured that the council just remained active in the background and flipped from backing Veger to backing Ashelin during the second chapter. Haven City completely devolved into a warzone after Jak's exile, and Veger's gestures at solving it made things worse not better. And then Jak came back and actually turned things around, which would have vindicated Ashelin as well. It's notable that the mission right before Veger loses his position in government was the KG literally on the doorstep of the new guard, launching an attack on their central headquarters, which Jak then singlehandedly stopped. "Veger would have lost us the entire city if the guy he blamed for this hadn't come back" is a very convincing argument against him.

[@Alt_Haven]

Looking forward to this. I maintain that, as a time travel-based series, just about any retconning is doable, so long as it sticks to the original lore.

[@HouseJambo]

If I was re-writing this game. I would just cut DarkMakers all together. The Oracle voice in Mar's Tomb referred to the Metal Heads as their ancient rival enemy. Suddenly, oh yeah there's guys even more of our ancient enemy actually. It just doesn't make any sense.

[@hilbert8925]

I admire the effort you put in this, but it can be achieved in a most easy way; just change the order you play the missions, and delete the ones that fails the plot

[@chelovek9321]

15:20. No. Blue star arrives exactly after sattelite mission

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

Just double checked, and no, the day star is visible even in the tutorial mission. Also, the "green star" I'm referring to has been there since the first game. Take a look in the sky at different times of day and you'll see it in all 3 games

[@chelovek9321]

​@@powercellzekestreams1295 It also visible on the first cinematic (whan jak arrives to the desert). My bad =)

[@HouseJambo]

Can I just add something please. If you guys are re-writing Jak 3. Please for the love of all that is good. Don’t make the precursors gods. In TPL and Jak II they were just treated as an ancient lost civilization. Not deities. I can’t recall a single time in TPL where they were treated as gods, only as a mysterious ancient people with superior technology.

[@ss2gora0]

Brilliant. I had always thought the same about Jak 3. Even though, I actually liked it more than Jak 2 when I was younger 😂😂(Jak 2 is flawed but is a much more realised game than 3)

[@tabreezsiddique]

It just dawned on me that the Skull Gems, the thing you would collect from the Metalheads to trade to the Precursor Oracle in exchange for more dark eco powers, the thing that signifies that we've dealt with so many from the sworn enemies of the Precursor...have zero purpose in this game. Literally you only ever use these in this game to unlock optional Precursor Orb challenges. Makes a bit of sense with the oracles, but not so much for challenges by Kleiver or Torn, and even then, you barely face any Metalheads here, they're not as much of a focus here as they were in the previous game. Feels like they just brought those back just cause they were in Jak II and nothing more.

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

Yeah that describes so much of Jak 3: they brought it back cuz it was in Jak 2 and nothing more

[@tabreezsiddique]

@@powercellzekestreams1295 It probably would've been a little better if they had at the very least copied their purpose from Jak II one to one straight up, but now it's even weirder in 3 since you find these EVERYWHERE, not even just from defeating the Metelheads themselves, they're in pots, baskets, markets, and so on, and they only serve as a paywall to unlock optional challenges, which also seems pretty asinine, especially when optional orb challenges were free to do in Jak II, by that point, it would've served them better to have just not bothered! 😂

[@chelovek9321]

also WHAT IS GREEN STAR?!

[@oneuzi-tiza]

KG is Krimson Gaurd??

[@jpremier5743]

Thumbs down for being lame. But you have your opinion. The plot holes were intended to be a joke/ leaving it open for you to wonder and ponder about them. It was good storytelling…or they were short on production time but the design bibles explains the Jack/Mar stuff

[@derekwall5570]

There was weird audio popping on the video

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

It was only at the very beginning, I didn't realise until I already recorded it

[@misterhimura036]

Jak 3 was a dissapointing for me. I loved 1 and specially 2 but i was bored of 3 because of how easy the game is and how broken the balance in combat is this game. Could have been worse but also a lot better.

[@Alt_Haven]

Agreed. I still enjoyed it, and accept Spargus as canon, but the way Jak 3 delivered the "Precursors" with no conclusion to epic lore was really unfortunate. Return to Haven City was sad, too..

[@afro_souledits2382]

Jak 3 Could of been the San Andreas of the Jak series ,large locations, multiple gameplay options, could of have many reasons to make the story better written and a lil longer but satisfying in both the wasteland and haven City

[@dotld8726]

This game is just fine the way it is. Make new ones.

[@dotld8726]

The IP gets to PC and hopefully this just gets it good pr

[@Alt_Haven]

1:22:25 WHAT?! This is the problem I have with corporate "creatives". They [tend to] have no passion for the work. Could you even imagine landing a gig with Naughty Dog, but be in the position to admit you *DIDN'T* have the fanaticism to finish the game on hero mode - much less never finished Jak II - the BEST game in the entire series, with the most potential, lore direction-wise?! It seems like every big title is tarnished by these mercenary corporate types (who also push politics where it isn't welcome) and we get rehashed, dispassionate content to 'consoom'. Hate to see it, at my age. Real fans should be involved in the **core** of any big project. Look at Bleach - it was effectively dead, and now we are seeing unprecedented NEW scenes that were rushed in the manga. The overwhelming fanbase engagement absolutely brought the TYBW arc back through timeless loyalty to the story, and so too will be the path to more Precursor Legacy. I want more cheery 90s platformers, with epic lore, tight melee/gunning movesets and utter disregard for following any modern trends in gaming...

[@powercellzekestreams1295]

Mate I literally said in the vid that she didn't have enough time to finish the game, development was already underway. And no, I don't believe you need to be a superfan of a series to be able to work on it, that's just silly. Also keep in mind that she was just the Director, not the creative director or writer or anything like that. Her role was to just make sure the project went smoothly and released on time, and for that I can't fault her. Also idk what you mean by "push politics" lol, have you played these games? Jak 2 is a deeply political game, it's literally cyberpunk fiction

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@@powercellzekestreams1295 You are guaranteed diminishing returns involving corporate types who don’t have a complete understanding of the product. Don’t have to be a fan on your level, for example, but should know the entirety of the game experience. Similar problem with showrunners who don’t read/don’t like source material, or “improve” it with their own alterations. “Pushing politics” is very common nowadays, sort of an evangelical movement for social causes. Most people know exactly what I mean. There’s naturally occurring political undertones, i.e. in the zeitgeist, then there are activist self-inserts, corporate “culture” compliance, inclusivity, etc. It’s ‘pushed’ on people, versus being a popular trend that is desired by the majority of the audience. But I digress. ultimately enjoyed your video and overall content, keep it up you madman!

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@@Alt_Haven oh I get it. By pushing politics, you just mean when black or queer people are in media