Let's Look At Chinese Groundfighting Kung Fu (Dogfist 狗拳)

[@minnesotakungfucom]

if you want to learn more about this style there is a book (I own a copy not sure how available it still is) written in 1993 called Fukien Ground Boxing by Cai Chu-Xian that is about this style and gives basic training drills, a one person and 2 person form and 45 techniques that it describes as for actual combat, it claims to be a branch of Shaolin from southern China, it's pretty interesting some of these techniques also remind me of the Silat style of Harimau (a Indonesian tiger style that does a lot of ground work)

[@Supermomo2007]

Its one of the father styles of silat harimau

[@jorndoff2002]

@@Supermomo2007 this has nothing to do with Silat. Not even similar. Harimau is way beyond this

[@rye-bread5236]

Shuai jiao and its ancestry predates shaolin and is a grappling system in itself. I was told Shuai Jiao had joint locks outside the sport.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Well sj had punches gorges and bash ur head into floor till it breaks too in ancient duels for entertainment. So yea it had joint locks.

[@shinobidaimyo5135]

@@thedoubtfuls you guys got to give me y'alls sources I'm very curious about Chinese Martial Arts.

[@arthemas8176]

All Chinese styles have some Qin Na depending on the practicer some of them study more of thar than others

[@markdugan7782]

My shifu teaches several Dog Boxing forms. I had learned some of the first form. The style is often seen as a purely performance style but in application it involves rolls, ground fighting and biting. He described it as somewhere between southern and northern systems. Traditionally Dog Boxing stylist were know for not being afraid to go to the ground. He also teaches San Da, Shui Jiao and chin na.

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

I've wondered how Shui Jiao and China Na's grappling is different from this dog boxing. Can you explain?

[@obsidianx01]

It was General Qi Jigaung when he defeated the japanese pirates, which his fame grew to japan and taiwan, which a lot of people started to take his approach to martial arts

[@harageilucid4352]

I like it. Id love to see what it would look like in modern times with our emphasis on live resistance.

[@easternstrategist5276]

Di tang quan is from the battlefield in Ming dynasty. The concept was that the spearmen would hold the formation to stab each other, while some soldiers get down to cut the opponent's legs by blades. This is actually quite similar to the approach the Spanish Empire's army stance took at the same time. Eventually, this fighting tactic became a martial art, which is why you see them fighting on the ground.

[@FightCommentary]

That's so cool. I hope the History channel or something will recreate some of these cool formations in a show!

[@mongolchiuud8931]

di tang quan is different brah, thats just ground tumbling, jumping to the ground and rolling and not grappling or locking. lol

[@easternstrategist5276]

Kama Jiu-jitsu of course it's different. One is from battlefield and still preserve the training of cold steels, another is just for lock and control.

[@rayray6490]

This tactic is used with sabers + rattan shields though. Made famous by Koxinga's troops from Taiwan

[@thedoubtfuls]

@jakubkalinamalina exactly

[@timbarry5080]

I don't always dicount the choreography. Yes the entry's may be cheesy and far fetched but the actual mechanics of the takedown may come in handy. In grappling we end up in all kinds of odd positions and you never know when one of these will work.

[@kedabro1957]

2:35 ... The purpose of this is to dislocate the shoulder by pulling the arm straight out of its socket. If you're too weak for that, painfully crank the neck by pressing your foot against the head. As a young, isolated martial artist in the 1990's, I thought I invented that neck crank. I think its something every novice grappler naturally stumbles upon - until they get told to stop, because its rude/dangerous to the partner.

[@kedabro1957]

@@joeaverage8564 Holy crap! What environment were you in where biting/spitting happened often enough for trial-and-error, without you ending up crippled or in jail? I've had a terrible time finding sparring partners who lie in such a tiny overlap between crazy and safe.

[@kedabro1957]

@@joeaverage8564 ... Your first comment disappeared. Did you delete it? Without it, my second comment sounds weirdly random.

[@N00bsUnited1]

FCB I really love your videos lol. I like how you try to have an open mind and at the same time kind of make fun of some of the techniques. Makes it really enjoyable to watch. Great video!

[@LunaticReason]

Glad you did a video on Gou Quan, I think I messaged you about it awhile back but it seems you found some footage, its really hard to find videos that isn't just of people doing wushu forms so actually seeing applications is really cool especially for people whom are into grappling and ground fighting.

[@thibautklinger5178]

I would say it might have Potential also dog boxing sounds way cooler than brazilian jiu jitsu in my oppinion.

[@tmarevisited118]

I've been very interested in gou quan for many years. Sadly, it is difficult to find anything on it, and sadder still "kung fu" in general has been heavily diluted due to "cultural revolution" and whatnot where legit fighting was outlawed and "forms" were "preserved" as part of "cultural heritage" as more a sort of dance than anything. I'd imagine things got "prettied up" so that it was more flashy and interesting to watch at the expense of functional fighting techniques. I'd love to see this style revived and restored to something functional. As I understand, its key elements are supposed to be ground fighting, grappling, sacrifice throws and limb destruction. Meant to be fast and brutal, throwing your body weight around to gain advantage over physically superior opponents. I could be wrong about some or all of that, but that's just the scraps of what I've found here and there trying to research this obscure style...

[@j.o.2045]

Check out the KZbin channel Maul565. Bruneian Silat, it's awesome.

[@wijaya202]

Justin Olibas indonesian silat is best

[@chaos_omega]

It's a fantastic idea. Martial arts restoration as a concept seems to be relatively new but gaining momentum. HEMA is the style spear-heading the movement at the moment. The difficult thing is trying to "restore" a martial art that has an existing, living tradition (like many Asian styles.) Those that teach may not take to kindly to their art being picked apart, analyzed and modified. Many styles may even prohibit sparring within their walls. It will be hard to convince some people (they may not want to admit that their art is flawed,) but I think this is the way forward when it comes to reviving practical techniques within a style.

[@tmarevisited118]

@@chaos_omega exactly my thinking. I'm in a group on Facebook with Rokas, the "aikido vs BJJ" guy of "martial arts journey" and I myself am an aikidoka. He feels really slighted by aikido, and I can understand that knowing his story, but I keep arguing with him that aikido *itself* is not to blame. His teachers and his self delusion maybe, but not aikido. He and I had *vastly* different experiences in the way we learned and the environment in which we trained. As a result, I've been able to use aikido in real life self defense where he was not. After seeing a lot of other BS "aikido" I totally understand why people doubt it, but, again, it's all in how you train and whether you are willing to let go of by-rote adherence to "techniques" while remaining true to the principles behind them and adapt. The fact of the matter is that these "styles" no mater where they come from have *already* been adulterated. No one practicing any form of "Kung Fu" is *actually* performing the system as it was 1,000 years ago or whatever because all those systems were cut off and altered *intentionally* to make them less effective because "comrades shouldn't fight comrades" So picking them apart and actually sparring is the ONLY hope we have of *legitimately* preserving the system! It may not be *identical* to the original, but at least it won't be a silly dance to entertain tourists! They don't have to like it, but we should still do it anyway. For the arts, not the ego.

[@chaos_omega]

@@tmarevisited118 Definitely a fan of Rokas and aikido in general (never formally trained, but always had an interest.) We must start the martial arts revolution! All styles considered, all styles tested. If we can do it all in one place and unite all styles, too... That is my dream. A fight is a fight is a fight-- and martial arts are martial arts.

[@HouseOfWarriorsverobeach]

The first part was similar to Korean floor fighting. If I can find footage, i'll send it to you

[@jmamvs544]

I want see

[@junichiroyamashita]

Please explain

[@Aznbomb3r]

4:40 I think you didn't realize he also pulled on the right leg with two arms and made opponent lose balance, just a single leg push alone would not work of course. Edit - While Jujutsu is definitely very old, it seems Judo itself is not. White Crane and Dog Boxing was developed around the same time(mid 1600s) and passed on at the same time, Karate came from White Crane, I would not be surprised if Judo was born from a mix of Dog Boxing and Jujutsu.

[@MasterZhang]

明末清初，end of Ming Dynasty/early Qing Dynasty. Also the first tecnique is 踹chuai. Same char as 踹腿, push kick. It does look a lot like 端duan (carry) though :)

[@RedBannanaProduction]

My instructor knows it and he has shown me a few techniques. A lot of it is leg takedowns from the ground and up kicks. I think it's pretty uncommon because it's really not a complete system it's just an augmentation to your striking that's supposed to be used if you're thrown or tripped or if you're really crazy and lucky as an unorthodox takedown. At least as far as I know, I haven't studied the system just a couple techniques.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Yea tma everywhere doesnt groundfight for lack of mobility on ancient battlefields, so it stands to reason that they would focus more on the takedowns then moves with too much ground time.

[@tonypeterson5316]

@jakubkalinamalina I agree with u on most part, but 99%?? That's a bit exaggerated. They r just mostly not made for "tournaments". A lot of Kung Fu moves are very dangerous, because they emphasize on hitting the weak spots like the eyes, groin, throat, temple, etc, all banned inside MMA tournaments.

[@juanalvear9481]

Im not sure that jiujitsu came from this. I mean, there is a tendency to watch for this close system and see if they are related, but actually there are several grappling system from all over the world who grown independently. There is no proof that chinese martial arts had a link with jiujitsu but and the other hand you can see a bond with clasical sumo. Karate its other story, there you can find a conection with the system like crane kung fu, its wildy documented

[@godzilladude1231]

The best vids you have are ways the ones where you look at some unknown and underrated martial arts from different countries man. Love it. Pls do savate or capoeira sometimes Jerry :)

[@FightCommentary]

I just finished one dedicated to obscure Asian martial arts. That one is good. We will look at 10 obscure Asian martial arts in that one. Stay tuned for Tuesday!

[@godzilladude1231]

Looking forward to it Jerry

[@FightCommentary]

@@godzilladude1231 I also just finished one on African martial arts!

[@andersonalves1254]

I think the opposite. Chiao li (Shuai Jiao), the ancient Chinese martial art, already existed, was used by the Zhou Dynasty (by Chinese exercise), in an article by Daito Ryu/Aikijujutsu, it admits that it had Chinese roots in Japanese martial arts and even some Japanese articles also point this out, Jigoro Kano's own friend traveled to China and brought some techniques to Japan, but of course, this argument was a research I did alone, which cannot be validated, but I admit that Japanese Jujutsu is fine. more refined than Chinese style ( Chin Na fa/ Shuai Jiao..).

[@judofan9467]

Complete nonsense. Check out Mu Shin Martial channel. He goes through shuai jiao actual Real history.

[@judofan9467]

Complete nonsense. Check out Mu Shin Martial channel. He goes through shuai jiao actual Real history.

[@lucasvega4216]

The original Ju Jutsu was meant to use againts armored opponents, actually it had more no gi throws and slams than chokes and joint breaking, that last part came out when it became an self defense art, then the gi apeared. Karate is the one that has roots on Kung fu, in fact, Karate is not even Japanes, it came from Okinawa (before being anexed) this is way theres is traditional Okinawan Karata and Japanese Karate.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Yup okinawa or in as it was known Ryukyu was a Ming Dynasty vassal kingdom before the Satsuma domain conquered them, then Annexed by imperial Japan in the late 1800s with the Royal Sho(Zhou) family being forced to move to tokyo to be watched by the Emperor. Karate being invented by the 36 Kume family of Okinawa(Chinese migrants there)

[@bryanfong1023]

Yes, thats why brazilian jiujitsu and jiujutsu are different. Brazilian jiujitsu is more oriented to the sport while jiujitsu is more traditional focus.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Genetically they r hokkien / fr fujian province.

[@tonypeterson5316]

Karate did come from China. Some Kung Fu guys brought it to Okinawa and called it "Chinese hand". Judo came from China as well, because the statue of the founder of Judo is a Chinese guy and the story says he inherited the moves from a style of Kung Fu in China.

[@M_K-Bomb]

I heard that it's described as dog fighting because in the Chines perspective fighting on the ground is something a dog would do not like a gentlemen martial artist kind of thing. Great to find clips of dog fist style actually doing locks. I knew it to really be kicking from the ground and some ground based take downs.

[@thedoubtfuls]

More cuz its impractical and immobile for those days

[@frankbrown4780]

I'm loving the fight commentary breakdowns. I can't speak for Chinese grappling, but in my experience, it's worth looking into the history and reasons for practicing the art. When was it developed? What was the culture like? Was it designed for the battlefield, or day to day fighting? Classical Japanese jujutsu has many variable systems. Jujutsu as it is used, is a somewhat modern and generic term for Japanese unarmed fighting, as each system had its own name and description. Some arts were strictly battlefield, they were designed to be used against armoured opponents if you found yourself suddenly without an effective weapon. They tend to involve throws, or standing arm locks and the intent was to break down the person you were facing until you were in a good position to hack or stab them to death. Other systems were designed for day to day environments, like sitting indoors, or walking down the street. Someone draws a sword and tries to kill you and you respond, or someone grabs your wrist to control you and prevent you from drawing your sword and you respond, in a way which allows you to draw your weapon and kill. There were also methods of controlling a person in a safer manner, with the intention to arrest, tie and restrain them. Two systems of jujutsu can look quite different from each other and it depends whether they were practiced by the aristocracy sitting in castles, or troops for use on a battlefield. It can also depend on the time period they were developed in, as if there was less open warfare, battlefield systems seem less important. However, the goal was mostly to kill your opponent, as either they've attempted to kill you, or they were simply an enemy of war. And all arts are secondary to weapons systems, you can't really look at Classical jujutsu without throwing the threat of weapons into the mix.

[@Veepee92]

Good comment! Much of what you said is true; take Takenouchi-ryu, the oldest style of Jujutsu in Japan, for example. The core of the style is called "Koshi-no-mawari Gokusoku", which is essentially close-quarters grappling with shorts blades involved. In its day that scenario would have been the most probable situation when one would have needed to use grappling skills. First scenario would be in the battlefield, where someone having lost their main weapon would try to enter in close to pry in their secondary knife through the holes in the armor (armpits, neck and so on). Even modern military combatants carry knives and use them for the same purposes. The secondary scenario would be an ambush either indoors or the street: samurai class was not allowed to carry their weapons indoor, but you could easily hide a tanto underneath your kimono for an assassination attempt; in outside spaces a robber would likely try to threaten people at knifepoint (as it happens in modern era as well) because drawing out your odachi or other longsword quickly takes real experience in battojutsu or iai techniques, so they were unlikely to be used by criminals besides being way more difficult to obtain than simple household blades.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Thanks for the history. Yea its very varied. It seems though the Japanese systemised groundfighting while the Chinese evaded it despite its numerous styles. Personally I think Chinese just dont like to get to close up w another man hahahah

[@Veepee92]

@@thedoubtfuls The "ground-fighting tradition" of Japanese martial is actually hardly a tradition at all. It was developed exclusively by the Fusen-ryu school in the late 19th century solely for the use of challenge matches in the safe confines of the tatami floor at a Dojo. This kind of combat was not needed by any type of soldier unit in the earlier eras: you only had to bring your opponent down and pin him there just long enough that your comrades on the battlefield could help you out by cutting the guy's head off or stabbing him to death. The "modern style" of ne-waza therefore never existed until the late Edo period. Fusen-ryu had some notoriety during the early days of Judo because they could beat some if Kodokan's top contenders in the regulated 1-on-1 sport setting with their ground techniques. If my memory serves me right, Kano basically bribed the head teacher of Fusen-ryu to give out his techniques. Many Fusen-ryu athletes later followed suit and joined Kodokan. So it's relatively safe to say that developd ground grappling has always been related to combat sports and never to actual battlefield combat or self-defense.

[@Veepee92]

@@thedoubtfuls Joint locking, stand-up grappling and wrestling are traditionally also been thought to be contained in most of the Chinese martial arts traditions. However, they are not very commonly taught these days and most of the time they go in conjunction with striking or to facilitate striking. So the approach is not quite the same.

[@thedoubtfuls]

@@Veepee92 Hi, I checked with Japan where i heard this from in casual chat, and they tell me there were some schools of jujitsu in the 15th c. focused mostly on ground fighting. this was after wartime, when they stopped wearing armour. just tht i'd share, unclear myself.

[@yussuqmadiq5274]

At least the Filipino wrestling called Dumog have been pressure tested. It even has competitions. Heck it even has a technique called Kino Mutai or the art of uninterrupted biting.

[@coronal2207]

What's with all the prejudice on forms? They are just drills and if used correctly works. Every system have drills and they form a much larger part of training than sparring.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Yea exactly. A demos a demo not a cage match

[@enghsiungchin3976]

Caliograph is important . Just depend on your brave judgement, timing and situation of chance given. For example ground swipe kick is was taught by many Chinese kungfu style and was describe by most of us as just caliography and useeless and never use by many martial artist recently but its very popular practise in Malay martial arts Silat,and many of them can use it well. Of course there got many whose timing and situation judgement are bad cannot make it too.

[@ronselporter4739]

6:39 reminds me of a figure four and some catch stuff

[@Rebuswind]

great video as usual, but something you got wrong regard to Chinese language 1. 踹 （chuài）means ‘kick’ not 端（duān）2. 钻 （zuān）means ‘going through’ in here, not 沾 （zhān）3.明末清初 means ‘the end of ming dynasty，beginning of the qing dynasty ‘not ‘the end of qing dynasty’.it’s around 1600-1700 AD

[@FightCommentary]

Aha. I stand corrected. Thanks for pointing it out!! I've been really sick these past few days. I promise I'll get the Chinese better next time ;) Pinning your comment as appreciation for your attention to detail!

[@Rebuswind]

Fight Commentary Breakdowns it’s nothing. I like your videos a lot. No need to apologized for those mistakes, in the end, your channel is called fight commentary not Chinese lesson 101. I will be here correct you as always, I know you don’t mind since you seems like a person that trying to improve yourself all the time.

[@FightCommentary]

Absolutely!

[@thedoubtfuls]

@@Rebuswind this is the way, web community

[@xMasterCidx]

4:37 I think the guy trapped the dude's ankle with his hand then kicked him in the face. That's probably why he hopped away it was a type of trip. It's hard to tell from the quality. Lol.

[@albusfr]

Alciel yep correct, he trapped the guy's right ankle with his hand, and then kicked his hip. It's very similar to a BJJ single leg hip sweep

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

This was pretty cool. Some probably are effective, but as with anything else, requires a good setup. And probably works better with a gi in some instances cuz grabbing the sleeve is sturdier than a wrist. A sweaty wrist might slip out.

[@KUMANTONG-4D-POWER]

Just like learning basic kicks and someday You are so good that Your kickings become formless like a wip.

[@mdub2000]

Dont know if you’ve analyzed chin na tiger style yet.... there was a video set of a kung fu master from this system... its mainly all types of chin na joint locks and it had a good amount from the ground... i actually dug it....the master is a little nuts but its quite entertaining👍🏾

[@JackJack-gd7to]

All jiu-jitsu, judo, bjj (modification of judo) origined from chinese wushu. So nothing surprising.

[@XianWangTheo]

it's 地術拳，also known as 狗拳 originate from fujian, one of the popular hokkienesse kungfu

[@mdub2000]

Most kung fu has limited ground grappling in the flow and its mainly for control and jointlocking which were created for guys who were doing body gaurd work, policing and caravan gaurding. I just dont think in their history there was enough time of peace to create the need or want to train prolonged ground wrestling and grappling... stand up grappling to throwing was more practical to them historically. Another reason ground grappling other than joint locking on the ground was more practical was because they often fought with weapons back in the day... either in war and because it was practical to carry them around. Thats my 2 cents on the matter. So it is what it is.

[@kickinbackinOC]

There's a style where the student wears a blindfold, stands in the middle of a circle, and the class takes turns smacking the fool in the middle. It's called "Whuhityu?"

[@76kamikazi]

Robert W smith in his book Chinese boxing Masters and methods spoke about dog boxing and how devastating it was on the ground.That is the first time I heard about that Kung fu style back in 1974 the style was kept very secret for many years even what they are showing you here is just rudiments of how deep this style of Kung fu is.

[@metalandpunksuck]

My school does have ground defense techniques I recognize the stuff in the first part of the video but I'm only a green belt. We have jui jitsu so if my school teaches all of this I couldn't say.

[@yussuqmadiq5274]

I guess that dog style is good but I prefer missionary.

[@yamiyaro]

tf, this comment came out of no where 😆😆😆

[@murilocaruy]

There are some styles of kungfu focused on "ground fighting", like this one, 地趟拳，地功拳，etc. Other styles have useful stuff, like double legs, ground and pound, scissors, leg locks, arm bars, spider guard, chokes... But nothing as polished as BJJ

[@thedoubtfuls]

For sure I mean bjj has mostly overtaken daddy judo on the ground too. But I wonder how it would have been in the past. With all those kungfu low stances. Prob close to silat which has kungfu influence too

[@kuksoolwonninja]

at 3:59 , people use this sweep in rolling all the time

[@rafinkhan2093]

It kind of like BJJ, Kosen judo and newaza

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

If I'm not mistaken from what I read, it is designed for woman, as Chinese woman in the past are using some kind of shoes that restricted their foot. CMIIW.

[@godzilladude1231]

Muhammad Iqbal You mean those shoes that Lotus Feet girls wore? Makes sense

[@blackpowderkun]

Muhammad Iqbal I can't imagine kicking with feet like those.

[@MichaelMiller-rg6or]

Out of curiosity, how well do you read and speak Chinese? Do you know Mandarin, Cantonese or both?

[@thedoubtfuls]

Hes quite fluent man

[@danielbaggett3424]

When you think of ancient systems you have to realize that people had harder lives filled with hard labour, a more natural diet. The life styles developed a better memory, a better equilibrium, and a better sense of surroundings. Their sense of touch was also more observant. People where better physically and mentally. We simply are just not physically or mentally capable as they where. We've developed a society for convenience therefore our fighting systems are developed today with convenience and clumsiness as a major focus in modern fight doctrine.

[@terrainaholic]

If you want to see some weird ground styles look up Indonesian haramow (sp) (tiger style)

[@Supermomo2007]

you mean silat harimau

[@ap2372]

Some of these moves you can see in Jackie Chan movies

[@abdulharisbahaudin2596]

Zack Sabre Jr is very good at these manourvers.

[@julioramos5615]

Tayari casel kunfu stylist been doing ground fighting since the 1970s just CHECK out his fight wth soke little john davis that fight took place in Madison square garden ln new york city and you can see it on you tube.

[@blackpowderkun]

Wonder if this can be used in Lei tai or Sanda rules.

[@Jonathapproach]

Judo and jiujitsu are not the same age! Judo is fairly new even though it is primarily jiujitsu based

[@Jonathapproach]

Great video though, thank u for going there.

[@godzilladude1231]

Still compliant. And no spar or roll? Just demos? Hmmm meh...

[@pattyorigami]

I agree with your assesment, but keep in mind that even legit bjj schools when doing instructional videos are working with uke's to demonstrate. Perhaps that's all we're seeing here and their rolling/sparrig is legit (perhaps not). But I would be willing to bet they don't have much follow up after the initial cool takedown. I could be wrong! There are a few cool things here that could work if applied with good jiu-jitsu technique and principles. I'm definitely going to try that guard pull to double ankle sweep combo next time I roll! I'll let you know if it's effective.

[@Supermomo2007]

@@pattyorigami i do dishuquan. We have rolling, sparring and breakfall. We dont need jiu jitsu

[@pattyorigami]

@@Supermomo2007 I never heard of that art but it sounds cool, especially it the rolling is realistic. I would be interested to see some of the sparring and rolling.

[@Supermomo2007]

@@pattyorigami jujutsu has the groundwork from this style

[@tonypeterson5316]

@@Supermomo2007 That's the same as the Dog Fist style, just different names.

[@henriquecarvalho880]

Hey man, I found this "system" very weird, the techniques look too silly and dependent of a compliant partner (just like aikido but in a even greater level)

[@AnggaR19]

Japanese jiujustu come from shiao jiao and chin na

[@rayray6490]

There's no definitive evidence of a southern Shaolin temple, bro. Read up Meir Shahar's book

[@FightCommentary]

I've heard that rumor too!

[@thedoubtfuls]

If u look at some videos on the forms when the karate guys go to white crane, they astoundingly similar.

[@enforce7]

Grapplers from all disciplines (wrestling, jujitsu, etc) can take them down easily.

[@Supermomo2007]

Shuai chiao is best!!

[@gillean2]

Isn't Chin na the root of Japanese grappling styles?

[@mongolchiuud8931]

ENd of the Qing DYnasty is 1906 i think with Puyi being kicked out the forbidden city

[@mongolchiuud8931]

@@joeaverage8564 The Qing Dynasty were foreign colonist dynasty from Manchuria/East Siberia and were a semi nomadic tribe that conquered China in 1644, and forced the Chinese to shave there front hair and wear a long ponytail as a sign of submission.....The Chinese hated them. As for their imperial Qing imperial Line is only 400 years. lol The CHinese celebrated after his abdication ironically. The Qing according to Western researchers was the reason China fell behind the Europeans in the mid 1750s in terms of technology, China was supposed to kick off the industrial revolution or at least close to it. Til the Manchus banned most modern tech and stream engines along with gunpowder weaponry due superstition and tradition and their love of Horseback and ARCHERY, thus they ended up behind on firearms. Sad indeed.

[@Win94ae]

Reminds me of Bolo in Enter The Dragon.

[@dodosableng3510]

0:17 It's similar with silat Cimande, by Herman Suwanda

[@Ultradude604]

It's like a bastardized form of bjj tournament techniques in some ways. I see the sweeps. I never seen a dog do some bjj sweep.

[@ravenraven5165]

This is the names form

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Dishu Quan do spar but like most kung fu styles probably bullshitting by saying its "secret"...or something but heres a picture of some locks on the ground guys. www.taipinginstitute.com/images/inarticle/dishu10.jpg English history from Taiping website www.taipinginstitute.com/courses/jiangnan/dishuquan

[@realherbalism1017]

Shuai jiao is the origin of jujitsu

[@eagle162]

No it ain't, Jujutsu didn't develop until the 16th century, the oldest jujutsu school has no connection to China.

[@eagle162]

@@AztecUnshaven no they don't Most Japanese martial arts do not have origin or influence from China , among things China had influence in Japan martial arts was not one of them.

[@bryanfong1023]

Eagle 1 well, karate undoubtedly has kung fu roots. About jiujitsu, it has changed a lot since its creation. It originally had weapons training and had a good deal of striking. So if you claim that today’s jiujitsu (which is actually bjj) has no influence from chinese martial, then you are right. But if we are talking about the original jiujitsu, it does have chinese influece.

[@1laurentiu636]

Love your videos man

[@FightCommentary]

I just finished one dedicated to obscure Asian martial arts. That one is good. We will look at 10 obscure Asian martial arts in that one. Stay tuned for Tuesday!

[@1laurentiu636]

@@FightCommentary cant wait for it

[@KUMANTONG-4D-POWER]

The reason to learn paterns is because someday You will become formless.

[@thedoubtfuls]

If u dont get stuck in forms

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Traditional Japanese ground fighting BEFORE JUDO improved on it. ineffective sort of but enough to beat Judo in 1890s. Sekiguchi ryu is the style at the Handa Dojo that Mataemon Tanabe from Fusen Ryu developed ground moves to counter Judo's throws. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5PQeot8abeDl68

[@markohu]

there is a link with jujitsu

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Traditional korean folk game taekkyon(not a martial art) but pretty similar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqSQemaehZZofpI U win by touching the face with your kick or win by takedown or leg sweep not hard thrusting kicks allowed and only pushing with the palms not punches.

[@SirFancyPantsMcee]

(4:16 ) How to get your shit mixed in 3 easy steps.

[@kamikage9420]

This is pretty interesting to see. Most people think of crazy strikes and mostly useless soft style techniques when they hear Chinese martial arts, but to see this kind of grappling and counter-grappling is really interesting.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Of course not man, one instance is the bajiquan guys who are in kickboxing tournaments using shoulder slams and throws from their art

[@mikebehan9970]

3:08 dont work against experienced grapples

[@beliefiam2302]

Thumbs down, not for the martial arts but for the bias of the commentator. If you don't understand something, don't piss on it and say it wouldn't work. Smh

[@Grapplersenpai]

Pretty sloppy tbh

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Muay Chaiya Boran from the 1800s thats weird as fuck but actually works some of there fighters are pro like Tae and Ple that are sparring. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnqnY3mqpJZspbc kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5TIlnhset92iJo kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5TIlnhset92iJo kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZ-sfIhvaLuMbpY kzbin.info/www/bejne/jniWYXprnKqjaMk Muay Chaiya grappling Tae is 36 wins n 8 losses

[@mongolchiuud8931]

Muay chaiya used in the ring kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6iafnaFlL6Fi7c 60 year old Kru grandmaster sparring student slapping the shit out of him. lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppLRgoCLds9jZqM

[@Matteo-nd4pp]

When he talks chinese it sounds like he has tourette attacks lol. jk beautiful language

[@thedoubtfuls]

It's alright man, we cantos and others dont really like the sound of northern mandarin either hahah

[@obsidianx01]

this is old shoalin arts

[@ronselporter4739]

take the good ones, ignore the rest

[@winddragonmma]

Japan got it from China. This is not legit Chinna or Chinese Wrestling. Only a very few amount of Chinese Boxers know it!

[@mongolchiuud8931]

oh god not YOU agian....you troll everywhere get a life brah....

[@chaos_omega]

Cats have better jits than dogs... Bears are better wrestlers. Dogs are somewhere between. lol

[@dortizjr1]

"Dog boxing" not a lot but it's something - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJSvfGyIeqyDeMU

[@TheMetal516]

Looks like hopkido

[@ChariotOfFaith]

You can't do these techniques in MMA because it requires you to grab and of course you have to wear those stupid gloves! LOL!

[@complexblackness]

Do a breakdown on this video or others from this channel. Its some good stuff. kzbin.info/www/bejne/narCqqevorydrK8 It's Kipura the original African name of Capoeira.

[@FightCommentary]

Wow! Thanks!!

[@complexblackness]

@@FightCommentary yup

[@luffydmonkey9400]

一次前踹，不是端

[@user-nb2bt2fu1e]

Dude it says 明末清初 read

[@matthewbyrd4691]

gou Quan (dog boxing) is based on dishuquan (ground skill boxing) which came from Ditangquan goes back to the song dynasty

[@mongolchiuud8931]

African art parent art of capoeria called Kugonga Na MaTeke fast forward to the sparring part after the dance.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/moLVYqxqpMaaiaM

[@lasaloppo4237]

Macam silat kulihat

[@DADALee409]

一字前踹吧 看成端了 狗钻压腿 看成沾了

[@mongolchiuud8931]

I know u only do fight commentaries but did you know Okinawa has a Martial art thats pure Kung Fu and not Karate? Its called Uechi Ryu and it was imported from Fujian in the late 1800s. Tell us if you think it looks like kung fu or karate. form is called Sanseiryu(Sanshiliu Shou) and comes from Huzun quan/Pangainoon and has only 3 forms originally. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5W5lWepjsiLhac BUFF LIKE MASTER ROSHI LMAO

[@MrMrbrianbechtel]

Jesus, your very uninformed on Japanese, Chinese martial art history...