Let's Talk About Internet Stalking | Glass of Water

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[@LilianOrchard]

Lately there's been a running theme on my Tumblr of people going "Lily! X person responded! Thoughts?!" and I feel this misses the point of the video entirely. Obviously my stalkers were going to respond going "Nuh uh! Lily's the abuser!" They've been calling me everything but a cunt since the original friendships broke down and taking every opportunity for attention and clout they can. When I talk about reactive abuse, it should go without saying they were going to practice more reactive abuse if their ego was bruised. Part of the reason I chose to rename them was because one stalker in particular was publicly bragging about all the attention that this video would bring them, and renaming them and not offering links means most people won't be bothered enough to go looking for them because the individuals themselves are not the point of the video. Furthermore, the people are irrelevant. This video isn't about X KZbinr or X Ex (ha) specifically, but rather the attitude of a stalker. The kind of people who spend years at a time fishing for clout regarding their obsession with X KZbinr. The video is about a universal issue of parasocial hatred, stripping away all the convenient exuses to get to the real issue underneath. Of course people who have this problem are going to redirect to the specific bullshit they like to make up to justify that continued hatred. Focusing on that is what they want me to do, because individual rumours have been so ineffective at destroying my life they desperately need to coerce me into signal boosting them myself.

[@rilee.9377]

Have only just started the video, but wanna throw out therefor everyone: If someone says they have a medical degree, and therefore can psychoanalyze you, they either don't have a medical degree, or they shouldn't. It is grossly unethical to try and armchair diagnose people you know in person, and just plain ridiculous to think you can diagnose someone you know from the internet.

[@gizoginjr]

Also, you know, it would be hugely unethical to disclose any diagnosis of a person without their express permission.

[@babablacksheep506]

One hundred percent- I will always tell people “just because I’m nurse doesn’t mean I know what’s wrong with you- go see your doctor,” Armchair or Dr.Google diagnosing leads to too many people getting the wrong information

[@XSuicuneX]

As a former (money keeps me from being current >.

[@fourcatsandagarden]

it also sounds like something that might be illegal? but there's a lot of things that sound illegal that aren't, and I'm not a legal expert. I do know I've seen people get in trouble with employers for that kind of thing though, so at the very least there can be tangible repercussions offline.

[@darylcunningham9012]

That's true. These people who try to psychoanalyze Lily are just shooting themselves in their own foot. As their diagnosis doesn't hold water.

[@lizard8749]

Reactive abuse is super common and often overlooked. "they both were terrible to eachother" is total bull. If you are emotionally or physically put in a situation that you feel in danger of course you are going to lash out. When backed into a corner a scared animal bites. It's not the animals fault they felt threatened. It's not the victims fault they were put in fight for flight mode.

[@saladcaesar7716]

They only care about the fetishized version of abuse survivor. If you fight back, they will remove your « victim card »

[@WerewolfHorrorNut]

I can’t believe we r getting two glass of waters in a row and the last one was so good I can’t wait to see how good this one’s gonna be

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

hydration is important

[@WingedRose96]

AND we get to see Lily's new model on top of it! It's a good day

[@father9167]

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 bro I had too many glasses of water 💀

[@Empurress_Sable]

Mhm yes, I am totally a creation of Lily's who has been her alt for about 4 years now. I can't possibly be a long time fan who finds genuine insight in her critique and using said insight to reflect upon my tastes. No way, I'm just a silly alt with a pfp you can find on google because there's no way Lily has actual fans. Some people are so delusional it's laughable

[@_Asleep_]

"All sex scenes need a harmonica solo." 💀 this found me so hard

[@skittyhugs7457]

Top quality advice

[@MrApplefan44]

I just want to say this, I'm happy that you've been happily married for 3 years with Makaila. I remember the whole shit storm with your ex and I'm just glad that you've found a partner that you're happy being with. Still love both of your content, keep up the amazing work you two :3

[@LilianOrchard]

I've been with her for 3 years. Been married 8 months

[@MrApplefan44]

@@LilianOrchard ah guess I flobbed up that, but still happy for you two :3

[@julietbyrne577]

Funny thing I'm actually learning about harrassment in the workplace via a job course I'm taking, so this was good timing. Also love the video and thanks for the 2 glass of waters in a row. Definitely made my week 😊

[@c00mgoblin]

What I really respect about Lily is that she’s not afraid to say what she means and takes accountability. I don’t always agree with her takes but I keep coming back because I just love listening to her speak lmfao. I’ve had a serious stalker before and almost killed myself because of it, no one deserves such harassment and fear. ❤️

[@jobfcastro22]

Oh yeah i agree

[@TKTTKT-lr9tq]

Agreed

[@8.bitfan]

I agree

[@beeziebubs2756]

Is it hard maintaining around 100,000 alt accounts and tormenting everyone who’s ever praised you/maintained being your friend for years and years despite being so cartoonishly evil according to every hate stalker ever?

[@LilianOrchard]

It's difficult but I manage

[@7OwlsWithALaptop]

real gaslight gatekeep girlbiss moment

[@andsocanu]

Out of curiosity I once watched some of the hit pieces, and followed a few link threads of all the stuff that comes up from these people when I search "Lily Orchard" and the videos were so dumb I couldn't even get to the end of them. I was just thinking "Really, this is what they're getting so worked up about?" the whole time. The worst stuff they could bring up as "evidence" is less offensive than some of the banter I've heard in my gaming groups between the more dudebro guys riffing each other.

[@XainRussell]

I can’t quite put words to it, but given the subject of the video there’s something thematically beautiful about starting with the old puppet and ending with the new one. Like you’re saying visually “Unlike these losers, I can actually move onto better things and better people.”

[@MisaMouri]

My heart be still. 2 glasses of water in a week .......this is THE WEEK

[@gustavofring7254]

We're being kept hydrated

[@gaun785]

Lily is progressing through the backrooms without breaking a sweat on top of hosting glass of water. She can’t be stopped. Edit: and being stalked by a group of people that sound like they’re the evil group from a sonic game

[@atruv2089]

Who the hay is paying for the internet bills down there though???

[@almond3066]

She has become too powerful

[@basicwitch6562]

She probably found some ASYNC equipment

[@mhiac3516]

For many people, ‘bad’ writing is just writing they don’t like. So when people say that Lily is a bad writer, and they also say she’s a bad person and/or [insert slur here], it’s impossible to take them seriously because they’re just ranting about ‘mean lady told me my favorite show wasn’t the best thing in the world!! 🥺🥺’ in the most cartoonishly biased way possible, and absolutely no good criticisms or points whatsoever.

[@sweetpea2604]

Yeah, I keep getting recommended “counter videos” on Lilly’s “Steven Universe is Garbage and Here’s Why” video. It’s clear that people don’t want to admit that the show they enjoy watching over and over is either objectively bad or just simply flawed.

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

The perpetrators who continue to harass you seem like perfect examples of the sunk cost fallacy

[@reapergrimm8]

I've disagreed with some of Lily's opinions, but they were never anything worth making an issue over. I started watching her because of her funny takes on MLP, and I found her Glass of Water videos to be very enlightening on a lot of subjects I didn't fully understand. And while some people will say she gives bad writing advice, writing fiction is a subjective field of media because different demographics have different preferences. People ate up the Twilight books despite the franchise being almost universally panned and mocked by the vast majority of people who learned of the series. That being said, bad writing habits remain bad writing habits, and Lily is 100% right on how franchises such as WoW, Star Wars, Steven Universe and MLP totally dropped the ball on multiple fronts. Just because some people like the bad storytelling doesn't make said storytelling good or even healthy. Some people just can't process that. They feel like they are being personally attacked and retaliate with toxic vitriol, which just shows how shallow and pathetic they really are. I really liked the Legend of Korra, and while I don’t hate the series, Lily has proven to me that it is not as good as I initially thought it was. By the way, love the new puppet.

[@lyokhamishukov3513]

Oh shit you know shit's serious when Lily uses the serious intro music.

[@kingsodashark2194]

What is that music anyway?

[@listeningsky8902]

@@kingsodashark2194 this took way too long to search...but its name is Yakuza by Blowinthebox

[@gameygeemer4142]

​@@kingsodashark2194 The BGM from the shitty Digital Homicide game, The Slaughtering Ground

[@colleens1107]

Ok I’m glad I rediscovered your videos Lily. I started watching you waaay back when you were still Jerry and I just kinda lost track of you a couple years ago. I remember when all that shit went down with ahem ELLIE and I’m glad you found an actual respectful and supportive partner. Hope these assholes finally just move on with their lives.

[@LilianOrchard]

Thanks

[@pupstuff4389]

I've never heard of reactive abuse before, that might help me in navigating relationships going forward. Thanks, Lily! (Also two interesting videos in a row? Awesome)

[@rainstoriess]

I really like Lily. I know she comes off as aggressive sometimes but she's a sweetie fr

[@AGhostInTheCorner]

For all of the shit and harassment and more shit you've had to go through, you present yourself so calmly and rationally. You're a much stronger person than me, Lily. I'm sorry you had to go through that but I'm glad you're happy with your wife and are able to call out such harassment with confidence.

[@boring_yt8324]

Bro this is the main reason as to why I don't want to go public with my work on the internet. I don't want to have to deal with this kinda shit it's looks so stressful.

[@sandywolfr26]

Same. It why I’m only a writer and don’t have many friends

[@LilianOrchard]

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[@snawwee6751]

Armchair psychology is incredibly tiresome and is one of my least favourite things abt social media. Sorry that this is happening to you. I guess people just don't like opinionated trans women

[@zeldomaine]

coming back to this one. you finding stability in life is the real gotcha to all those haters. because you are winning when they want you to lose. this video is something i try to remember when it comes to media consumption. in general i am pretty good about just noping out of things i don't like or want to engage with but of course this video also extends to parasocial love too--parasocial attachment of any kind, honestly. it serves as a good reminder i feel like.

[@Mallory16]

I've always wondered why these people who hate you so much don't just go away. Like there're content creators I eventually stopped liking too, and I just... stopped watching them. I have better things to do than try to destroy their lives. I guess this video answered that question. I'm sorry you've had to put up with all that, anyway.

[@KerbalFacile]

My lead theory is they are doing this as diversion / cope method to keep denying the intense feelings of guilt and inadequacy that nag at them constantly otherwise. If they stop, then they have to face the emptiness of their soul and life. And hating you is easier than fixing the lifetime of everything wrong they did. (edit) Aaaand I should have finished watching the video...

[@mags2226]

Lily puts it best - usually, these people who have nothing better to do are very unhappy people, and they think having an axe to grind will give them a sense of purpose. harassing people online does give you a sick sense of vindication, ask anyone who's engaged in drama on twitter. now imagine if that's the only source of happiness you ever had in life and you could tell yourself you were a hero for it. that's how the internet stalker do.

[@babablacksheep506]

Because they are sad little people with nothing better to do

[@iseetheendisnear2416]

Damn, she’s really making sure we’re hydrated, huh?

[@avaartist4363]

8:58 intentional or not, but the slow zoom towards Ellie was a nice passive aggressive touch as you talk about just how pathetic and sad their stalking is 👌🏻

[@TheQuirkyArtist]

It's funny, I actually watched a lot of Lily's videos about the MLP community before actually watching the show, it was only after I was bedridden for 3 days from food poisoning that I actually watched it on Netflix. And oddly enough I enjoyed Lily's takes on the show a lot more, they've entertained me as well as made me reflect on the borderline TERF I was becoming, and honestly I think I'm better for it

[@jeremiahmichael5417]

Lily has actually changed my view points on the last jedi. Also, helped me see the weak points of SU, when everyone was heralding it as "The most Progressive show to date." It has it's strong points and I love the final season where Steven leaves Beach city. But, she helped me see the bigger picture. And provided me with some great writing advice!

[@fiachuAnimation3537]

Hai Lily i really want to thank you for making this video. This year during first year of college i made a friend. For my whole first semester, He would scold me using my disability supports even after telling him that im nurodivergent. He would constantly try push me to tell him sensitive information that i was not comfortable talking about. Your video helped me realise the warning signs as he would brag about the amount of stuff he knew about criss chan other "Lolcals" personal lives. Which made me super distrustful of him. After I told him that I was taking a break from him to clear my head. He would reply with a meltdown, I would block him from contacting me. I have cut communication with him and changed classes so he won't be able to harass me. I am super grateful for you making this video, thanks for helping me dodge a bullet. having been making really lovely friends and been enjoying college. I wish you love, life and happiness ❤. Love from canada 🇨🇦

[@LilianOrchard]

The moment you said he was bragging about knowing things about Chandler I was like "Yeah he's mining you for Kiwi Farms." Dude's a grade-a loser.

[@MommaDusk]

I used to be a fan of Josh's but I never saw any of his content about you. I think it's kind of funny since you were being honest about the situation is what made me lose interest in him

[@KirbyFanDude]

Used to be subscribed to both Josh and Lily, but the drama and toxicity coming from constantly looking at arguing was seriously bad for my mental health. I might sub back to Lily, but I'm not sure yet if the videos she makes are of my interest. The reason I unsubbed from her specifically is less about drama more about "wow, this is insulting AND boring lol." I'll be liking commenting and watching whatever as support for now.

[@trouble-ry8kf]

Online stalking is something people often don’t take seriously because “it’s just online you can just ignore them” like no you assholes no you can’t. You can’t ignore people threatening to hurt you or your loved ones online because ignoring it is how those threats become reality.

[@Nothingtotheleft]

Lily writes these videos in way that just sticks in my mind (which is strange for me cause I have the memory of goldfish) and some of it has actually helped me spot some of the bullshit abusive shit people do in my life. I came from the Steven Universe Video, and what draw me to it is that not only did the video itself have arguments that made a lot of sense that I never heard anywhere for some reason unbeknownst to the world, but also I felt convicted in a way, because I recognized some of the shitty patterns that she mentioned with some of the characters to actually show up in my interactions with people from me. Ever since I’ve been working on removing those bullshit tendencies from my life. This channel literally gave me a kick in the pants to change some shit in my life. I just want to express my gratitude to Lily for not being afraid of shitty people like the ones mentioned in this video and posting this content. Really helped me and I’m sure a lot of other people to realize some of their faults make a change for the better.

[@TransDrummer1312]

There’s a serial stalker in Minneapolis that’s done this sort of cyberstalking thing for almost five years now, who made me lose my volunteer position last year and has assaulted at least 35 documented people. I wish someone could help me shine a light on her to figure out how to get her to stop.

[@nudemanonbike]

I don't personally agree with all your takes, but they're usually interesting and well supported, so I value hearing them. I'm sorry you're dealing with stalking. Fuck those people.

[@SamuraiDoggo14]

I may not always agree with you, but NO ONE deserves this kind of harassment.

[@AshleyTheFighter]

Oh lily! That last model you used looks really nice! Whoever drew it did an awesome job! ❤️

[@DIVICGamingDiscussion]

I’ve recently come to grips with a lot of the abuse I’ve suffered over the years. Some of which I didn’t realize was actually abuse at all until your videos. You’ve help me so much. Thank you, Lily.

[@jonasboel2473]

I really like the "all your fans are ALTs" bit. Really made me laughing, I'm so glad I could write such a funny joke.

[@athenapromachos3027]

Lmaooo. Guess I'm an alt. My girlfriend will be disappointed.

[@bubblegum1366]

I remember I once checked out one of the gossip blogs just to see what they were saying and immediately saw one of my own comments being called a sock puppet. It wasn't even anonymous. If I ever needed evidence of how little actual care they put into making sure what they say is true I got it right then. On a more serious note, I know they always say that Lily bullies her fans for not having the exact same taste as her so I just want to say here and now, I only agree with Lily's takes about 60% of the time and I'm a fan of a lot of things that she just doesn't care for, and I've never once felt bullied by her dislike of those things when watching her videos or reading her blog. I don't need people I'm a fan of to validate my every interest, and the fact that they see her dislike of things as somehow attacking people who do like them shows how little confidence and self esteem they have in themselves and their own interests. I have a lot of respect for Lily for being clear and direct about things she does and doesn't like instead of pandering and putting on an act, and I watch her videos because I know even if I don't agree with her opinion it will be well thought out and presented, and it'll be enjoyable to watch.

[@Paraster]

Literally yesterday KZbin recommended me the 63rd or 64th installment of a Chris-Chan history series. Looking at the playlist, EVERY SINGLE video in the series is more that 30 minutes, and quite a few surpass 40 minutes. By this point it comes off as genuinely unhealthy.

[@fourcatsandagarden]

"reactive abuse" is a term I've been needing. I had a former roommate who did that all the time, and it really fucked with my sense of self.

[@cyanogeniccyanide5150]

This might not be very insightful, or profound or whatever, but what a great fucking video. I've had this topic on my mind for so long and I'm sure people have talked about it before but never in a way that has helped me work through my own thoughts like this. This behaviour has always creeped me out so much, and it sometimes feel like it's everywhere. When I first noticed it, I was when watching videos about Yanderedev. It was such an extreme documentation of very personal aspects of this one guy and I just couldn't stop thinking... Why do we care so much? That he's a bad programmer, or a bad person or that he got fat and he lied about buying a sex doll? Because obviously the active constant stalkers have a different reason for harassing people but there's still a huge audience of people completely willing to watch in vincidaction and enjoyment, instead of going "Well that's shit" and moving on. I've had people apologize for bad opinions of creators they consumed, I've had friends audibly upset about how one throwaway comment ruined an opinion piece because they couldn't get behind it anymore. It feels so wrong to project yourself into other human beings that all you do is consume art from. There's this creepling feeling in me that just sees a coliseum's worth of people that cannot take anything useful out of something if it isn't word for word what they want to think they would say in their place. Why do we feel owed from other people being "good". I don't mean politicians and millionares and people that have effect and weight in our every day lifes I mean people from our communities. Why are we owed them being nice, or apporachable. Why do we get mad when they say something "wrong" and aren't "convinced" when we reach out. Why do we get pissed when they don't accept our "help" to fix their game or do better stories or whatever it is this week. It's obvious that a harassment campaign will always find excuses to be a harassment campaign. But why is it so normal for the coliseum to treat public figures like little ragdoll extentions of ourselves that you can hit when misbehaving. I don't miss there being a huge audience/creator divide, but the people are the same they were before it was gone, and I really don't think it helped. If Heaven is full of people then it'll be exactly the same as earth.

[@LilianOrchard]

"If Heaven is full of people then it'll be exactly the same as earth" is the most raw line anyone's ever put in my comment's section.

[@cyanogeniccyanide5150]

@@LilianOrchard Fuming that I didn't come up with it myself, stole it from Will Toledo

[@mj91212]

I would also like to say, this was such a smart way to deal with this issue. You address the hate mongers and dismiss their misinformation, without referring to any of them by name, thereby denying them the attention and validation they crave.

[@LilianOrchard]

Some people may be able to identify them, but the majority of viewers won't and the lack of direct information will make it too much of a hassle to try. It's a hard lesson for some to learn, but it's important to take control of your own narrative and not have these discussions on an abuser's terms.

[@mj91212]

@@LilianOrchard Holy humus Lily, do you even have to think about the wisdom you utter constantly, or does it just manifest spontaneously?

[@darylcunningham9012]

@@LilianOrchard Indeed, some of us who have been fans of yours for years know who these stalkers are, but we won't give them the satisfaction of being acknowledged.

[@ammarmubeen6524]

The fucking fight music comes on and I know someone’s about to get trashed. Let’s see who’s on that chopping block

[@gamingkitsune484]

Honestly, this video is really comforting to me, I've had to watch it a few times cause I've had several issues with people coming after me for being one of 2 or 3 LGBT peoples raised in my hometown. Back when I was in high-school I had come out and immediately people showed their true colors, supposed friends were now giving my bullies my route that I walked to get to work so that they could drive slowly past me and throw fruit at me. And I started to get hate mail from people who shouldn't know my address, I was able to hide it from my family (there was a lot of shit going on and I didn't want to dump my issues in the mix) and when I moved the letters seemed to follow, I would later find that one of my closest friends was actively giving these people my address to send me this crap. At time of writing I am now with my wonderful husband, and the hateful mail and messages have stopped. But for years I never understood why they would do this, seeing this video kinda showed me how pathetic they must be, because what happy logical person would waste 4 years of there lives to make the life of one gay man do uncomfortable and make him feel unsafe by continues sending hateful and hurtful mail to there home? So thank you Lily, this really made me feel seen and not crazy.

[@armania_9064]

Two glass of Waters back to back :] Ty Lily

[@LeftFruitDeadBasket1]

I have always wanted to delve into the minds of this lot after seeing such scorn thrown onto Lily on Tumblr and Twitter, but there were a few things stopping me. 1. Mental Health. Even I know it would damage my mind reading all the rhetoric and bull crap. I would probably try to defend her before I finished or just cry out of rage that this happens to folks all over just for living a certain way with past mistakes constantly drilled into you. 2. I'm definetly not Lily or a friend of hers. I have no initial place speaking for her unless it comes up in my feed if it ever does. Lily has friends and fans who adore her- and want her to be happy and free of this shit. Which leads into the last point: 3. Saying anything won't stop them. They'll scream to the high heavens and plan things that truely mean harm to her. They don't care about the truth, they want to see Lily burn. I've seen enough folks fall into despair because of monsters like these assholes who can't deal with the fact they're wrong and terrible. They are part of the reason I want to be outside more and endulge in the fruits of my labor- no matter how hard it is. I never want to be these fools. I want to live in the real world unlike them and their ilk. And so I will.

[@dicyanoacetylene6220]

To be honest. I actually had no idea who Chris Chan was, nor what she did. I didn't even know she was the one who made that comic. I didn't even really know that there was a comic. I just saw the character, thought "that looks like ass, I never want to see that again", and for the most part never did, rarely ever seeing the full page.

[@FattestWarlock]

I actually will use this video in the next talk with my therapist. You literally saying many of my thoughts out loud. Thank you.

[@th3d3storoy3r]

And to think a banger of a piece of music will forever be associated with a pair of shitty game devs who not only tried and failed to sue James Stephanie fucking Sterling, son, but also stirred so much shit on steam that Valve intervened and chucked them off their platform

[@darylcunningham9012]

As someone who enjoys your content since 2015, I'm glad you're still going strong, Lily.

[@rainfire4749]

And also three years already - my how the time flies, good for you two!

[@DeltaMarlfox]

Not many videos discuss Parasocial Hatred to the same extent as this one does. I look forward to repeat-watching this one, as I feel it is quite helpful to me.

[@elicarey938]

You’re friends must be very cool and loyal. Good for you.

[@WerewolfHorrorNut]

I’m so exited! I love your videos so much!

[@mj91212]

yes…Yes…YES!!! Gosh dang Lilly, how do you always know exactly the right things to say about stuff? I briefly engaged with a few of these freaks a couple months ago, I spent days arguing with them and provided a multi paragraph essay on all the things you hadn’t done that they were trying to claim you did. I provided links, screenshots, and various other pieces of evidence that clearly contradicted everything they were saying about you, and they still refused to admit that you’re not the monster they try to pretend you are. Ultimately, they couldn’t deny the validity of my evidence and argument, so they just blocked me instead. That didn’t surprise me though, I was kind of expecting it. What did surprise me, is that I actually got one person in that forum to change their mind about you. They checked out my links and what not, and came to the conclusion that you’re not really a bad person. So…huzzah?

[@kaiad.1903]

Oh man the serious music

[@ronaldms5971]

It's been 10 days since this video was posted and I haven't seen anyone pointing out that the background used at the ending comes from Yandere Simulator, a game about stalking. Really cool detail!

[@Paul-yr9vk]

You know, even when u sound aggressive or rude, i still think your a good person, and a real sweetheart. Just kinda hope you dont get lots of these controversies.

[@marymckenzie5957]

It’s THE music, shit is about to go down.

[@Regina-ys4ct]

It's very funny, as someone who's doing the Psychological side of Criminology, saying she's a medical professional to do armchair diagnosis is like pulling out a gun only for it to spray water. Point is, doing that is not only amoral but a breach of the American Psychiatric Association's Medical Ethics principles. Fact is, the Goldwater rule (A rule where psychiatrists should not give any professional opinion about public figures to whom they have not examined in person AND to whom they have not gained consent from to discuss their mental health) immediately shows she's not a professional, even though professionals do break the rule, doing so to get public figures on the internet is just really sad.

[@cimb1578]

This is a topic not often discussed on youtube, wether about the topic on a macro or micro scale. I can understand why, but its so great when it is. Wonderful work.

[@robinmitchells]

This video came onto my recommended at the right time. Someone who I was acquaintances with many years ago (2017 I wanna say?) has recently started this hate campaign against me, trying to claim that I’m stalking them (meanwhile I barely even think of them nowadays) meanwhile have been keeping close watch on all my social media and claiming that everything I post is somehow a hidden jab against them. I’ve had to lock down all my socials and decline follower requests to make them stop and even now I’m not entirely sure there isn’t someone within my followers secretly sending them screenshots. And I’m far from the first person they did this to, they’ve bounced from person to person for years, sometimes even coming back to people they’ve already left alone years ago just because they don’t have a current candidate to target, and they’ll stop at nothing to make your life miserable. And from what I heard they even sent a dm to some singer that their last victim liked trying to tell that singer that their victim was this nasty horrible person who that singer needed to call out and remove from their fandom. It’s fucking terrifying. I’ve had a couple stalkers before, including one with violent tendencies, but this current one is still the scariest because with the internet there’s no solid way to get away from them and keep them away from you like there is with real life stalking, they’ll just make alt accounts to get around your blocks and get other people to do the stalking for them (yes, my current stalker has a track record of doing this 🙃). Thank you for making this video and helping me feel like I’m not alone in dealing with situations like this. Like, some people need to have their access from the internet removed.

[@ameliaawan6188]

I've missed that opening music so much

[@NiamhIsBig]

10:34 the podcast “Behind The Bastards” went into the details about Christine’s online harassment in their 2 parter titled “A Terrible Story About The Internet” if anyone’s curious about that. Just a general heads up because there’s a lot of messed up stuff in there. like, stuff that made Neo-Nazis go “are we the baddies” level bad stuff

[@not-a-crow-in-a-hat478]

Awww shit! That puppet switch up was *chef kiss*

[@XanDerSon88]

This video about harassment hits different, when this background tune is embedded in my brain from the Digi Hom and James Stephanie Sterling Case back in 2014

[@rezz__emiya5948]

Jesus Christ im sorry to hear about this. That's fucked up. However, since I probably don't have another place to ask this, out of curiosity, what native tribe are you from? I'm a native man myself, and seeing more indigenous people in content creation admittedly makes me really happy.

[@LilianOrchard]

Cherokee mostly. My family's displaced, however, and we only reconnected with it within the last decade or so.

[@rezz__emiya5948]

@@LilianOrchard ahh, I see. I can relate to that as well, since I'm mixed, and don't spend much time with my indigenous family. It's a journey. Regardless, hope you're doing well, and can't wait for more content.

[@MisaMouri]

I knew from the moment my Twitter was full of retweets of people freaking the hell out by former bronys and analysis people that they were circling the wagons because they can't handle being called on their bull. It's simple really. If you dislike someone...that's okay. Block them and find people you do like like a normal person.

[@jforgotten2620]

What did we do to deserve 2 GoW vids?🎉🎉

[@northsouth2942]

I cannot fathom how somebody could have so much time to harass somebody for any amount of time, let alone eight whole years

[@emmieeneh2715]

I had to stop in the middle of watching this to write down that prompt about a gay proposal in a fantasy setting. It’s too wholesome not to do.

[@OtakuChefAD]

The instant The Slaughtering Grounds start, I KNOW we got a good one coming. Lily, this shit was TOP TIER

[@WerewolfHorrorNut]

Omg it’s the badass opening sound

[@DallSmick]

This is a weird episode of The Jimquisition.

[@thelilartzy]

Lily! If I drew you do you think you have another place I could tag you at to show you? I sadly don’t have tumbler and avoid it for personal reasons I won’t get into.

[@LilianOrchard]

Email in the description

[@KTjah]

i dont have much to say on your actual thesis, but the puppet at the end looks great! i was underwhelmed when your first revealed it in your last update video but seeing it "in action" (moving her hands and expressions around), it doesnt actually look boring. Mikay did a good job

[@gamepopper101]

Ooooh, the moment I heard that music, I knew that someone was going to have a day of reckoning. Always appreciate your blunt approach to your videos, it's great to hear you have a comfortable life in spite of the people constantly harassing you.

[@thomashenry4798]

Wait, so you arent a cult? Shoot, I already wired you my entire life savings... Can I like... get a refund?

[@LilianOrchard]

Sorry no refunds

[@thomashenry4798]

@@LilianOrchard well shucks.

[@serithellukaria6787]

I'm sorry you've had to deal with this bullshit for so long. I like your videos and hope you continue to be happy ☺️💖

[@alyssinclair8598]

if a creator bothers me in any way the first thing I do is unsub and find a different creator to watch. it's genuinely not hard and it is often what lead me to finding some of the most interesting content I've seen. When it comes to people i hate disturbing old wounds, I just don't get these people

[@dexterity494]

It's 5am for me right now. Happy to see there's something to watch at this hour lol

[@laughingjack85]

Consistently I have enjoyed a whole lot of your work over the years. Thank you for bringing light to this issue because I had no idea it was this bad.

[@Akabalthy]

Everybody gangsta till the old song comes back

[@longlivethefriday3776]

Alright! Back to back!

[@pkmnherofan22]

Watching this video again cause it really resonated with me, especially the part about people like this wanting a response cause it Validates their fucked up lies. Really helped me realize how much actual harm I was doing to myself by paying any mind at all to my former abusers. Thank you for that Lily

[@andenvelez7142]

Dang I got to agree. Keep making good quality work gal❤

[@yoyoboy87]

Okay, three things 1: I love the new model. My favorite part is the hair. It looks great and I’m happy that I got to see it. 2: I always wondered about your opinion of Chris Chan. The topic never came up and I was curious what you thought. 3: The part about the writing prompt actually kinda interests me. I’m working on a D&D campaign and two npcs are married lesbians. I think it would be fun to work on the backstory of their relationship.

[@durandus676]

I had a friend get a stalker had too burn all the accounts and make completely new ones. awful time

[@Jumikana]

Interestingly enough the only reason i know who Chris Chan is is because of a news story i hears some years ago about how they got arrested for defacing a Sonic Boom display in a videogame store and maceing an employee.

[@LilianOrchard]

Must have been local news. Wild

[@Jumikana]

@@LilianOrchard can't remember of the top of my head where the story was carried. I myself cought it on a KZbin channel that does a weekly show about news stories that involve people doing really stupid things or juts stupid or strange things happening

[@alyssinclair8598]

Tbh chris chan did some weird harassy stuff after being kicked out of the local gaming stores. I'd list it, but I'm already ashamed I even watched that trash as a teen and I don't want to give the impression it justified the stalking and harassment (it happened a decade into it anyways)

[@kataku8609]

Hi, I don't know you, but being stocked is horrible no matter who you are. No one should go through that and I am sorry it happened to you. Wish you all the best and I hope you and your loved ones are safe!

[@pompagarissanimation2592]

I do really like the bit at the start with the self admission, and the understanding of not being intilted to forgiveness

[@LilianOrchard]

I wanted to make it very clear that I wasn't talking about everyone who's ever had an unkind opinion about me. I didn't want this to be misconstrued as "cancel culture whining" and make sure that nobody who was inclined toward that line of thought would think this was a safe place to spout BS.

[@maneruloquendero]

13:52 that's my favorite phrase from this video

[@CenereRoses]

It seems that having opinions or takes that one will defend is grounds for harassment to some people. It amazes me sometimes how small a slight needs to be to make people obsessed with someone’s content, and how places like Discord and Reddit accidentally coddle that kind of cult behavior. It has legitimately made me question putting out content before because a lot of my scripts are movie or show reviews that are less than favorable, and I really don’t care to hold anyone’s hand through my criticism. And I am somewhat concerned that if I am not careful with my wording and “marketing”, I may end up with stalkers of my own. But at the same time, so do some of the most safe and soft KZbinrs still have stalkers and creeps after their every move. At the end of the day, I refuse to let anyone stop me from putting out my content.

[@CenereRoses]

Side note: I’m very glad you mentioned Vaush, because he genuinely disgusts me with how he behaves towards people who disagree with him. He acts like he is 100% with women and trans people but he’ll deliberately be sexist or hateful if you dare to oppose him on anything. God forbid you agree to debate him. I genuinely didn’t know he’d directed hate at Kat before, but I’m not remotely surprised with the way he treated you in his dumbass SU response. He said something blatantly sexist at JK Rowling on Twitter a while back and thought she wouldn’t punch back down at him. And ah yes, J.K. is totally the kind of person who will step down when someone acts sexist in response to her saying something disagreeable, especially if he’s a man! /s He genuinely just helps her perpetuate the idea that everyone against her is hateful. If he disagrees with you, he will have you on his stream only to repeatedly assert he already knows “what you’re like” and speculate on your beliefs whilst silencing you. And he does this to women regularly for disagreeing with him. Oh, and he thinks being blatantly sexist to your ideological opponent can be strategic and it’s totally valid. I’m of the mind that I’d rather do a long form video detailing why someone is wrong, or something is bad, and then call it a day and go eat, sleep and have a life outside of that topic. Vaush should really try it sometime, and then he might not be so angry and toxic all the time.

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

dang three years you make me feel old, i dindt know it had been that long already. im sorry about your stalkers keep being your best self ^w^

[@XanatosForever]

I heard about Sonichu maybe a handful of times, but it never was enough of a curiosity for me to look into where it came from or why. I can honestly say I had no idea who “Chris (Kris?)-chan” was or is until now. I am saddened to learn of what became of it all. Still, it’s probably a good lesson to learn, so thanks for sharing, and I’m glad you can recognize and enjoy your life. I think you do good work, Lily.

[@hayhay2640]

I cant say how much wholesome was felt when you mentioned your wife cried over you getting her a cake for the bday. But it is unfortunate yiur experiencing this from some hateful people hopefully one day they can realize hate is exausting and often not helpful as its deconstructive instead of reconstructive. Also pog canada.