Let’s Talk About the Expandable Baton // Advantages & Techniques

[@danielanthony9621]

Retired state L.E. here, did 30 years. Really good video. I'll add one thing, Training! Know strike points, pressure points, joints and large muscle points. Striking with authority as well as follow through techniques. Definitely not as simple as one would think but this is an extremely effective weapon in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.

[@esegoldberg]

Thank you for your service sir. I have trained Law Enforcement Officers and civilians in the use of a knife and baton. The Filipino Art of Escrima has a lot of techniques that can be applied to knife, stick, Machete, empty hand, etc. In the training we did stress drills including 21 foot rule scenarios. In every class a student would fall while moving backwards or fumble with their training weapon, etc. etc.. Under stress simple things aren't so simple. I totally agree that good training is important. I was blessed to not only work as an armed security officer, reserve Sheriff's Deputy, but also work unarmed as a Mental Health Associate (MHA) in mental hospital hospitals/day clinics in Texas and Arkansas. MHA work is humbling and teaches you to use verbal judo and such. Weapon training is good to know, but it's best to keep techniques very simple and able to be executed with either hand. Good video on baton my friend from Virginia...:)

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks for sharing!

[@jakejudson8578]

Thanks

[@JamesLeBrocq]

Agreed! Hit fast and hit hard. Keep moving. Don't stop.

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

Hard2Hurt made an interesting video on Baton's, and police use of it.

[@brianfolding40]

I'm a retired LEO with 34 years of service. The last agency I worked for issued all officers a collapsible baton, when we transitioned from the solid "nightstick." It was, like all of the equipment on our belts, a tool to be used in a use of force escalation. To me, it was the most versatile tool I had. Oftentimes, I'd use it to poke around in areas where I didn't want to put my bare hands or, maybe a makeshift pry bar. I've seen them used to break windows in an emergency. I used this tool numerous times for its intended purpose of defensive strikes to muscle groups (legs and arms), and achieved the immediate pain compliance desired. Now that I'm retired, I still carry one on my person while providing lawn care services. It's way more practical than carrying my handgun while I'm working, sweating, and slinging grass/debris all over myself. Thanks for this review, well done!

[@lckgilmo43]

A steel baton saved my life years ago when I was taxi driving. Dude pulled a knife out on me. Knocked the knife out of his hand. Broke his right forearm and egg knots all over his head. I quit taxi driving two months afterwards. My wife made me.

[@masterofmanythings1]

Great story! I drive cab and I'm looking at options now

[@lckgilmo43]

@@masterofmanythings1 Keep it in your door console if it has one. If the passenger is creepy never take your eyes off of them.

[@markfcoble]

Good woman.

[@mikenagy938]

For us gun guys, this was an eye opener. When you train with a gun you soon learn the 21 foot rule. This is the distance a person can be on you before you can draw and fire. With the baton it gives you more time to defend. Also, you don't have to worry about killing someone in the background.

[@shadoeblythe3540]

Just came across your videos about 2 hours ago. The first one I saw was you addressing "comments" to a prior video for elderly. I admire you for making one addressing that!!!! I am... 1) A female ...2) my husband passed away January 12,2022...3) I just turned 60 in February ( I'm still 23 in my head, lol), and most importantly, I have been assaulted ! Luckily, I used my car keys between my fingers and jabbed into his legs! I never seen it comin. He came from behind as I was getting ready to put my groceries in my car. This was 4 years ago. I carry a fire arm and wasp spray (will blind a person)! I've trained with my firearm for 15 yrs. I can guarantee that even the best trained female still cannot compete with a man (maybe a small percentage/ respectfully.) I train now in evade, learning if I can't get away and I know the person is trying to take me down to allow that to happen but learning how to fall and delivering pain, long enough to get away! It's retraining our brain. I'm 5'8 125 lbs...so I know my legs is my biggest strength (as of now) I have never ran from a fight but realizing as a female absolutely run away, " No Shame to the game! " Live for another day. Sorry for the novel.... Just wanted a small part of my life and especially now living alone, female and turning 60.... I just purchased the 21 inch Baton. If you have any other suggestions for me I would be SO grateful! Now, continuing watching your videos. Jada Shadoe...

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you for sharing! Glad to have you on the channel🙂

[@pharaohsmagician8329]

Great comment! Hope you stay safe!

[@Redhawk_44]

I have been carrying an expandable baton for 10 years or so. Thankfully, I have not had to use it in a defensive situation, but it has been used to de-escalate a bad situation without being used. Very formidable weapon.

[@bibahan]

I live in south africa. 29 000 muders per year. Here you have to carry a bag full of weapons just to go buy bread from the shops. Excellent video my friend.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you!

[@Bahamut69]

Thats every major city in the USA lol

[@blacklightning7227]

29000!

[@Pancito49]

Maybe SA needed another visit by Obama and Michelle. Who eles knows law & order.

[@tomcat1555]

You obviously haven't been outside of the US.

[@dennisyates1762]

I always carry an expandable spring set up. Gives a good whip effect. I also wrap the handle in white paper so I can carry it in my hand in dicey areas. Makes it look like I'm just carrying a rolled up sheet of paper. Enjoy your videos.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you!

[@squidlipssupreme168]

Are people known for carrying rolled up papers lately?

[@dennisyates1762]

@@squidlipssupreme168 I'm talking about A4 size or documents loosely rolled, not tightly rolled newspaper.

[@penhullwolf5070]

One of the self defence exercises I have done for years which very few mention or seem to do is practice covering a short distance REALLY quickly. The ability to cover 10 feet from standing in less than a second has real benefits in many real world scenarios.

[@yishnir]

As a self-defense instructor for the last decade, this is an excellent overview of expandable batons as a defensive tool. You do a great job covering the most important point... you have to actually train with it. In the hands of a martial artist, it's a phenomenal defensive tool, especially against knives or fists... in the hands of someone who just bought it but never practiced with it.. the attacker is VERY likely to just catch and grab the baton... if the defender even gets it out. I tend to recommend bear spray for anyone who isn't likely to devote serious time to learning a melee weapon.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you!

[@talorunningwolf9709]

As a retired LEO of Over 20 years on the job, your mention of bear spray brought back a memory from my time as a rookie. I was with my FTO still and we responded to an assault. Upon arriving and talking with the victim, we learned that he had attempted to use pepper spray against his assailant, however he did complain that when he attempted to spray the pepper spray at the victim that the pepper spray did not deploy. Which in turn allowed the assailant to attack the victim. After finishing taking the victim's statement and description of his assailant, I asked to see his pepper spray. What I noted was that the victim had purchased bear spray instead of pepper spray and as such you MUST take the safety off prior to being able to deploy using the bear spray. One last thing, it is not recommended using bear spray on a human and in some states you can be charged if used against a human or even someone's pet. So please check your local and state laws prior to purchasing bear spray to defend yourself. I would hate for anyone to get arrested for using it against a human or even a pet!

[@yishnir]

@@talorunningwolf9709 Thanks for sharing your experience. Those are all really good points.

[@Sifujonrister]

I carry a firearm and a baton and well as am a knife instructor. This is a good video for anyone to watch . Recommend !!!

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks my friend!

[@hardrock1826]

I have two batons, a 21 inch and a 26 inch. They both have that checkered, rubber, diamond pattern on the handle. If I'm going into a big city area I will carry one of these. They have that belt carry holder but I have this black zippered pocket case that has a belt loop. It does take a little longer to get out but that case carries it secure and unseen under a shirt/jacket. I can walk around with the zipper open, with it ready to go and it's still secure. These are a great defense tool, very versatile. They can be lethal but I really like the fact that they can be used so very effectively as a non-lethal form of self defense. That feature can keep you out of a lot of trouble. I tend to fake moves and direct an attack toward the legs. The lower legs even striking the shins/knees can cause pain and briefly incapacitate an attacker. Giving you time to get away. And as you mentioned these batons can give you that most needed bit of distance between you and an attacker. That's a very important thing to remember. When I had a guy come at me in the Food Store parking and it was dark out. It wasn't a Self Defense situation. This guy was asking for money and he was a little aggressive. I was ready with my Cold Steel Voyager Tanto XL in my pocket but it wasn't required. What I did do was keep the shopping cart between myself and this Panhandler until my refusal for money led to him turning around and walking away. Mind you I kept an eye on his path until I was safe in my Truck. Out in the street if you don't have a shopping cart you can use other things to give you, not necessarily distance but at least separation. Like a garbage can, light pole, hydrant, sign post. Anything that can impede an effective attack. I really like these batons though, it's a comforting feeling when I carry one of these. It's like having someone else with you.

[@dalehill6127]

Positioning something between you is very important advice. Thanks for reminding us.🙂

[@Bob-e1n4i]

Thank you for showing this! I had been a security officer for many years and always carried one of these thank God I never had to use it because they hurt and hurt bad!

[@everettplummer9725]

The Tueller Drill, was once shown by Doug Marcaida, against a gun defense trainer. I have since determined that, I will surround myself with claymores. And hold the clicker. During my 60 years of training, I have always taken extra interest, in the stick fighting methods. Neck and head, are points of desperation. Learn the non-lethal points first, to stop or disable the attacker.

[@JamesBond-zd5jx]

I am also a fan of claymores. And a couple of grenades for good measure.

[@absinth9288]

be commited and connect, that is what i learned from this clip

[@arctodussimus6198]

I’ve been carrying an expandable baton since 2001. It’s a good choice because it can be used without a lot of training. You still must practice with it, but its use is more instinctive than other weapons. My youngest boy was in the Air Force Security Service and they teach its use as a body manipulator as well as a striking weapon. I usually carry a 16” baton, and keep a big fat 12” collapsible baton in the car.

[@Inkling777]

I do much the same. Collapsed, the 16" will slip into a coat or pants pocket and be less noticeable than the belt holster for the large ones. Since I can also have my hands in that pocket, I can also draw it more quickly. For my car I have two justifiable tools, a tire iron and a small hammer for breaking a window to escape.

[@brigade911]

@@Inkling777 I have a big screwdriver at the door pocket

[@101evo]

Great video my friend. Being 70 and not able to go toe to toe with a young man makes a Baton and bear spray a couple of good options. Really like the information that you give to all of us and thank you so much for your time in doing so.

[@DeadPig325]

its not about going toe to toe even Im 24 but I dont want to have to break this thing out, yet I will if someone puts me ina situation where I think I’ll end up in danger since fighting unarmed is not much safer. I dont see it as a matter of fighting on equal ground, so much as hopefully stopping the fight altogether intimidation is good enough in bad situations, the baton is an escalation sure but also a deterrrent

[@larrystone9474]

@101evo I completely agree. I'm about four months away from 80, 5'5" and about 155lbs. If I am attacked, I have no choice but to defend myself with whatever I can because I can't even outrun a crippled turtle. A cane and a stun gun (always make sure it's fully charged) or also good options in my opinion. A cane is the only weapon which one can legally carry anywhere. It can be used to strike, maintain distance, re-direct movement, jerk a person's foot from under them, knock objects from a person's hand. A solid blow to any hard surface where the bone is near the surface (wrist, knee, collar bone, shin, etc. is rather discouraging to almost any attacker. It can also be swung in a circular movement to discourage multiple attackers. Thrusting it FORCEABLY into a person's solar plexus is also rather 'distracting'. I prefer a solid cane of hardwood, polymer, etc. (hollow aluminum canes are pretty much useless for the great majority of people.) I prefer a cane with a u-shaped handle with a pointed tip. If you hook it into a soft part of the body and that point starts digging in, it's not a pleasant experience. Of course this fact is ALWAYS true. "The rider prepares the horse for the battle, but the victory is in the hands of the Lord."

[@jamesw713]

That's why I like the cane (and your previous video on canes). The cane is already in your hand. I've carried an expandable baton and like them, too. I've done that experiment with a cane, and at 10' I can be set for a charging knife attack. The key is you have to know it's coming, but if you can get that cane on your shoulder, the leverage and speed of that first strike is powerful. If they have a knife, I'd focus all my attacks on disabling the hand that holds the knife. Keep the baton moving, it can strike multiple directions quickly. It's also possible to train your opponent. Throw 2 or 3 hard from your upper right to lower left, this can be done out of range. Make them think that's what you're going to do. Then on the next swing, drop your wrist to get under their guard, and do a hard thrust to their sternum. I do this sparring with a cane, longsword, saber & dussack. It is amazing how often it works. The longer the baton, the safer you'll be until you decide to attack.

[@Inkling777]

Great advice! Other advantages of a baton: (1) Four-legged threats are more likely to be intimidated by what looks like a stick rather than a gun. Also, if you have to defend yourself, a dog's owner is less likely to be upset by a necessary baton strike than by a gunshot that seems excessive. (2) Because cops are armed, they are less likely to enforce ambiguous weapon laws on someone with a baton rather than a gun. A baton is seen as less dangerous than what they carry.

[@411Outdoors]

Truth!

[@trollmcclure1884]

bear spray causes even less harm. No harm actually and is more effective. It would be pretty difficult to effectively strike a front-charging dog without causing him injury

[@scottmcfarland2149]

Great option. I've carried one since the 90's. 🙏🏻✌🏻

[@sombra6153]

This is a well presented video. I carried a 16 and later a 21 inch on the job for 25 years. Previous agency where I worked issued straight sticks and later expandable PR24s while I worked there and ASPs after I left. Never had to use the expandable baton, but it’s always good to have less lethal options. Well executed and applied restraints may also work effectively. Only things I would caution are to check applicable state laws where you live, where you travel, and spend some time each week training. OC spray may be more legal in some states than others.

[@ofc4517]

I'm a retired LEO but still work time as a special. I've carried a baton for many years. I think it is the most dependable less lethal equipment although I carry a taser and OC in conjunction with my firearm. I don't know if you mentioned it, but the baton can also be used in the collapsed position when having it in hand in what I call the interview position. I have used it to push off a subject and then a rapid upward deployment. One of the most unusual uses I had is when the subject came at me with a fork of all things. Since I already had it out. I deployed and smacked the fork out of his hand. Baton, 1 hand 0. Great video, just subbed.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[@rudeawakening3833]

He showed that very thing .

[@2104dogface]

Saved my bacon many many times. while being the only white officer on foot patrol in Springfield, MA in my area of patrol / Washington D.C. at the Embassy we had a mix of styles. the little cheap $12 Ninja Sticks (cheap replica of the WW2 OSS spring baton) was easy to carry, we loved them(used mine during an assault, dropped the attacker quick with a knee shot) The shoulder rig for the ASAP is a nice way to carry and will take sm to large batons. TRAINING TRAINING & Training is a must with these once you have the muscle memory it becomes 2nd nature on deploying and using them. i do keep 1 strapped to my sling bag now for when ever i go out on day trips, and i still have a few of my Ninja Sticks for carrying on my person.

[@correctionalofficer4lockdo763]

Retired and appreciative of valuable insight. FMA Escrima Kali training definitely a valuable tool as well. Kubatons are great too

[@edsweeney6843]

Great video. I have different sizes (12, 16, 21) for different times of the year and what I am wearing. You can also use the baton for disturbing their motility (strikes to the knee cap, shin, had and forearm are extremely painful). You can also sweep with it by hitting the Achilles tendon.

[@galelivelsberger7473]

I got my steel baton today and it is amazing. It is HEAVY. I love it and see how necessary training with it is. Thanks.

[@DeanFromTexas]

Excellent video! Informative, and very well put together. Kudos to you sir.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you 🙂🤝

[@ravisahi462]

I think your lead ups and explanations around being mentally ready and committed go a Long way in making your videos incredibly valuable and ‘Real’. And incredibly practical and realistic given various scenarios that you discuss. I am glad you didn’t go straight into showing us the ‘3 Best ways……etc’ but spent time up front explaining the weapon and its usage. Thank you!

[@specialcombatdefensivetact1784]

Amen, striking at the right time for the right reason at the right place with the right amount of power. Knowing the laws and being willing to practice regularly.

[@shaynehawkins713]

They are good. I agree with everything you said. I've practiced sword fighting off and on for 30 years. So these are easy for me.

[@IgorNV]

Your talk about excessive force is so true. Not every threat needs a bullet, just a warning and maybe a smack can lead to less legal and moral issues!

[@kipkaercher3257]

Nice video! I’m sure you realize this ; but your videos are interesting and entertaining because they are insightful and thought-provoking. And, you don’t take 30 minutes to say something that could have been said in 15 minutes. Thanks!

[@411Outdoors]

I appreciate that!

[@kennyharp4125]

The only thing I will add is you have t know your state laws with these items. In TN, the baton is not covered under your CCP. You have to take a class and get a specific license to carry a baton. It's a 5 yr certification here in TN.

[@phillyfathead]

I actually carry one every time I walk my dog because most ppl have no control over their dog or dogs!

[@preacherman85379]

I carry mine for the same reason

[@danielhuff1397]

Wise choice

[@DeadPig325]

@@danielhuff1397they really have no control over their dogs so many just walk them whike looking at their phone

[@eilat1667]

Pepper spray, my choice

[@JasonGage]

​@@eilat1667I use both

[@wandertoyonder4117]

FYI. While the seller may be a U.S. company, the product’s box says it is made in Taiwan. Just wanted to clarify this. Great video!

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks for the info!

[@whiteowl2006]

I’ll have to show this video to my dad. He wanted to get something like these to keep in his car for defence.

[@cammiekitchens5509]

Retired LEO. The Baton was one of my favorite tools. Good physchological effect . I suggest learning diversinary tacticts, practice on on your speed , precision and footework..Good Blocking Tool . Very Good video.

[@careymcwilliams3277]

As a blind person, I always carry one of these, on planes, everywhere, even can have one in prison. It is called a foldable cane, which is basically a series of interlocking metal pipes on a thick piece of alastic. It can break glass and dent cars if swung hard enough and swung at a head, it could kill if necessary. I carry a gun and knife too, but would use such a weapon first and draw my gun or knife with my free hand. Best not to pick on the blind.

[@chrismo34]

As a blind person is it really a great idea to have a gun?

[@jakejudson8578]

Yes!​@@chrismo34

[@dennishayslip4605]

Well done sir. I've enjoyed many of your videos as of late and have just subscribed. Also, because I've been considering purchasing an expandable baton for a while now and because of your video, I just bought the 21" model from Police Magnum. Keep up the good work!

[@411Outdoors]

Awesome, thank you!

[@gonzalez7805]

Tactical whip would be nice to compare with the baton

[@411Outdoors]

Agreed!

[@sandjleather]

A good ready position is baton resting on your shoulder. From there you can strike different positions without telegraphing your area of strike.

[@Octopussyist]

You can also keep your arms crossed and keep it totally out of sight, while being ready for a backhand.

[@johnpeskey4519]

Great video! What size would you recommend? They have 3 choices. Kind regards,

[@makevelicustoms]

A buddy from California told me that they recently made these and Billy Clubs legal to carry FYI love your vids btw keep up the great content brother 🤝🏻

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks! Will do!🙂👍

[@kevinanthony8925]

Yep, a court recently struck the ban down as unconstitutional.

[@jimketchum3169]

Great video, dude. Very helpful. I'd just mention to anyone shopping for the best deal, make sure it's steel and not plastic like some are that look basically the same.

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks for the info!

[@joesmho]

The 21 foot rule / test is one of the big reasons I carry a revolver... A semi auto can only be used in a gun fight or at distance a revolver can be used in a gun fight or a scuffle that goes to the ground no slide to go out of battery to my mind at best a law abiding person can react to a bad guy so to me it's important that tools used for self defense need to be flexible so for the reasons you touched on here and others I keep a 21" baton and a Ruger 357 on me 24/7

[@joshmajor8662]

I’m sorry man but you’re completely wrong on the revolver reliability!!! Not just my opinion but a well established fact nowadays, proven over and over again in SEVERAL situations and scenarios. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to make sure you have EVERY advantage you can 👍

[@RenoLaringo]

Why is that a semi auto can only be used at a distance? I'm a bit lost here.

[@helpdeskjnp]

I really like your demeanor and information and I’d love to train with you if I lived nearby. Kali-guy here since 1989, and I see it in your movements also! Great video sir!

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks my friend!

[@FigyNewton]

Really appreciate the instruction on using the baton in different scenarios

[@cherokeefit4248]

Asp leverage cap for the friction lock is a must have upgrade.it truly changes the impact area for the better from the change from the angle in which the baton strikes. I got all mine with the leverage cap.

[@NatureZone101]

Although always difficult to "think" during situations (fine skills vs gross skills) a good rule of thumb with batons is to go for bony areas of the body.

[@411Outdoors]

💯

[@Cipher1603]

Good video. I’m an instructor for PPCT (Pressure Points & Control Tactics) Also batons are used in the training. All LEO’s and Protective Service Members, are trained personnel and know 11-12 ft. Is a kill zone if the subject has an edged weapon. Remember they attack, and most people take 2-3 seconds to react. So 1-2 strides the bad guy is on you. Bottom line Training is paramount. In regard to batons the one I carry is a break away holster. So that I don’t have to cross draw or pull up, instead it breaks to the side and extends immediately. Thus far it’s been awesome and so much faster to deploy. Good tips in your presentation. As you had said practice and know your state laws, along with knowing where to strike and why. Appreciate ya. 👍

[@leewang6686]

I carry mine also for the 2 legged dogs. 😊

[@samavery459]

I carry one larger one without sheath. It colder times I slip into a side pocket that is featured along the side of the right leg on Carhartt pants that makes it very easily accessible and hides it very well. I also sometimes carry in my hoodie pouch, or in warm weather in an unzipped fanny pack.

[@user-ue5kr7xf7z]

Interesting Daniel, I've really never even considered an E.B. Will have to re-think the use and carry of a baton. Great video.

[@walter.bellini]

Thank you for the video, good info. I have one as well, but I would like to see a model that has a loop strap on the bottom so that you can put your hand through. This way it cannot be easily taken away or hit out of your hand. I think this upgrade option would really help this awesome protect by a lot.

[@kevinlorick4705]

I have had the same one for more than 25 years, don't leave home without it.

[@gregcrowe8885]

Very helpful. You good teacher. I gather practice makes the difference since day 1.

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

They can be effective weapons. Obviously like most all blunt melee weapons it can be grabbed, so one has to watch for that & they tend to be illegal in some places but other than that....

[@jamesclark6427]

Very good video. I've always liked the expandable baton and have two of the 16" ASP versions. Opinion on them is much divided. But any weapon, aside from novelty items and gimmickry, can be used effectively if you have the technique of it. Many veteran law enforcement officers preferred the traditional flat sap, blackjack or soft loaded sap and considered them generally superior. I suspect they're more right than not, but saps and blackjacks are often either illegal to carry or even to possess. Most law enforcement agencies don't even authorize them anymore. Which is unfortunate, but that's the way it is. I have done the training exercise of drawing a gun against someone closing the distance to strike. And that's why I practice my draw all the time. If you can't manage it in 1/2 to one second, too slow. You're not being honest with yourself if you think you'll be able to get that gun into action fast enough when you have to without routine practice. It's a skill that must be constantly maintained. But almost anyone with normal physical capabilities can manage to develop even a half second draw in a few weeks, and it's critical to have. Two seconds is much too long. The margin is that close.

[@figtreeprophecy]

Well, I'm new to the channel. I wanted to address the perp with a knife vs legal carry firearm. The airsoft comment you made, which I fully agree with. Hopefully my story doesn't bore anybody, I apologize in advance. Background, I've had conceal carry legal status since 1985 in 3 different states and continously in effect. My story: Was at a bar with my girlfriend, we both knew the owner of the establishment. She likes to dance and on wknds,, they feature live bands. I wasn't drinking and was carrying concealed and would be leaving early to work early next day.( Sunday ) It was understood she was staying and the owner would provide transportation for her to get home. We had our table for two, and when it was time for me to leave, she asked me to take her pocketbook/ utility bag, lol with me. Upon standing and grabbing her bag, I was aware of 2 young boys who had a table next to ours, also get up and was joined by an older friend. All three were looking at me. Within secs, the older one had zeroed in on me and with a menacing look was coming in my direction. I stopped, dropped her bag and and faced him to intercept his aggression. He didn't have a weapon. He did attempt to grab my throat. I tucked and rolled on my back. I'm a pretty good grappler. My action knocked over a table where 5 people were seated with drinks. This got most people's attention. We went to the ground and I still didn't feel the need to reach for my Sig P220. What did happen was that it interrupted his, ( antagonist) momentum. A female friend of my girlfriend was the first to reach him as she jumped on his back. My girlfriend was next and she was throwing kicks at his midsection. We both were on our feet when 2 bouncers grabbed him and showed him the exit. I wasn't hurt, and payed for the table I knocked over to get their drinks replenished. Then I went outside and had a conversation with the antagonist, owner and bouncers. As you've already guessed, he was told by his two young friends that I was stealing " the woman's " pocketbook and they solicited their friends help. Then he reveals he's " special forces ". To make a long story longer, no cops, no charges, no hard feelings. But I took away a valuable lesson. Had Mr special forces had a knife, I could have gained a fraction of time to draw while tucking and rolling on my back and disrupting his momentum. Had I gone for the shot, it would have had to been between my legs. A little dicey. Anyhow, worth thinking about and practicing for such an occasion. This is just my first comment on your channel my friend! 🤣

[@figtreeprophecy]

Daniel!

[@411Outdoors]

Cheers my friend!

[@Jimhelpman]

I carried one years ago and stopped because I once needed it in a road rage situation. I wasn’t the one raging. Difficult if not impossible to deploy in very cramped places. I recently started carrying one again because I found one with a very aggressive glass breaker tip and the baton is spring loaded. Pops out at the push of a button and the deployment is loud and intimidating

[@peacue7431]

Red,yellow, green zone awareness. The Stinger I find to be another effective tool.

[@jhinabloomingflower807]

this is my first video on your channel Very coherent and to the point detailed instructions and advices given on this video Liked and Subscribed,Thank you.

[@411Outdoors]

Thanks so much!

[@kentwilliams3326]

Very well done! I learned quite a lot. Back in the 1970s and 1980s, believe or not, we could not carry any kind of striking weapon "in public view," that was in the U.S. Border Patrol! Later a collapsible side handle baton and then an ASP collapsible baton was issued.

[@anthonyspaltro3643]

My preferred carry. Handles a number of situations. I found the longest one on the market so I could wrap two hands around it. This is to take advantage of katana training, focussing on striking the hands for a disarm. They can be used open or closed. I even found an oddity which has 2 batons sharing the same tube. Kind of like Darth Maul's light saber. The other choice is to carry 2 single handed batons more in line with TMC training.

[@thormusique]

Great video, thanks! I've got this same baton and love it. And as you imply, the thing about any self-defense weapon is that you have to train with it. One question: When you carry yours sheathed, is it point down or point up? I typically carry mine point down, but in training I notice that doing so it will sometimes extend on the way out of the sheath (i.e. before I might want it to). (Reading what I just wrote kinda made me spit my coffee. 😆) Cheers!

[@411Outdoors]

Cheers my friend!

[@kencoffman7145]

I carry a 16 inch regularly at work. I've added a pocket clip and it rides nicely in my pocket. I will say, stay away from the light weight models. Their lock up isn't as tight as the steel

[@SawBladeXDX]

just what i was looking for. just wasn't sure where to buy it. mainly want it for the stray dogs around my house that charge us sometime.

[@troy9er]

I had one of those years back. Wish I still had it. That was 30 years ago. Subbing and liking!!!

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you!

[@BobHolepit]

Always love your videos my friend. Very very good advice every time

[@411Outdoors]

I appreciate that!

[@user-fz2ul7wl2d]

I have this one. Force multiplier. Awesome defensive weapon. Remember, it's always about your situational awareness. If a person is inside your private public circle of space, don't go for your fire arm. Mace, knife, batan, or pepper spray. It depends on situation. Every situation is different.

[@mkhaled23]

Excellent video. Subbed. Only question remaining is I didn't really understand the mechanism on how to expand it.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you! You have to basically whip it to expand it

[@inyourdefense0]

Another excellent tutorial. A correction . . . deploying a baton is considered use of deadly force.

[@maryc6189]

I am one handed. I can use my dominant right hand. I only go out for Dr and hospital appointments but want something to defend myself since I have to use public transport. Being 63 year old female using a walker makes me an easier target. It is legal here to carry A baton. Would this be a good option? How heavy is it? Gun is not an option for me.

[@411Outdoors]

It’s got a good weight but definitely easy to wield with one hand

[@maryc6189]

Thank you!

[@kurious8708]

Oh yeah, I'm your new fan on here too! I just started watching your videos

[@youdontseeanoldmanhavinatw4904]

I highly recommend Hard2Hurt's video on the baton. Great video again, thanks man

[@411Outdoors]

I'll check it out! Love that channel

[@bdcochran01]

I wanted to provide an option to the "tire thumper" or "baseball bat" left in a car. It can and will be stolen at a car wash or if you leave the car unlocked. Go to Home Depot or Lowe's. In the plumbing section get a 28 inch length of cast iron water pipe in the diameter that fits in your hand. Get two screw on end caps which are usually not black, and a small can of black paint. Assemble and you have the equivalent of an escrima stick that stronger than the $50 hickory sticks. I keep one in the car and a unit near the front door.

[@birddog2451]

I'm 72 trips around the sun and really enjoyed your video. I see that they come in different lengths. is there one you recommend.

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you! I like the 21 inch best

[@agenturawubekistanie]

Nice to see how your channel grows.

[@411Outdoors]

@@agenturawubekistanie thanks for being here!

[@JamesAdams-xm7ux]

Former LEO here. Great video.

[@411Outdoors]

Awesome! Thank you 🙂

[@BradYaeger]

I carry one daily , and consider it a decent option for self defense when I may need to stay at range . I wouldn't consider it a 1 shot stopper , for that I carry a 10z sap. I have cleared many a storm drain with it as well , and even scored a few pears and apples ! Mine is the 26" Cold Steel, I like the bigger size and weight and the price is great.

[@GalanRenzVan]

Please help. Where can I buy this? The link in his description isn't working. Need it for self defence, I feel unsafe after getting robbed.

[@DrCreamFilms]

I think you are absolutely right, I would also add that a gravity expanding baton was issued to SOE operatives operating in enemy territory in WW2

[@ShepherdsSheepdog]

The draw - and especially the type and placement of the scabbard/holder - is a HUGE factor in speed of deployment. Velcro straps, rubber grips with deep retention pockets, and poor positioning on the belt are potential fails.

[@starlingblack814]

Thanks for the video; now I carry a gun and a knife, but like the idea of a nonlethal alternative. Think I will start carrying the baton. Maybe you can do another video about striking techniques as well as adding more tactics. Enjoy your straight forward "no bullshit" advice like your cane defense video. Appreciate your perspective.

[@jamesarmentrout-jb1ud]

I carry my 21inches expandable baton on me when i go out but I checked my state laws first before I started to carry my expandable baton and I always doing the right thing first

[@Behind_enemy_lines_541]

The video said home use only in NY but I believe they may be ok to carry in NYS but not NYC. Does anyone know for sure and can advise? Tks

[@embun1945]

Pls inform where to buy, price and is it made in US or China.

[@411Outdoors]

I did 👍 police Magnum made in usa. Link in description

[@gurodavid1]

Good day I'm retired LE DT tactics and firearms 35yrs The most use training for baton and impact weapons is simple systems of Eskrima and Kali. 🎉

[@richierackley7826]

Great video, Highly trained with that baton!

[@PoliceMagnum]

Great channel with a lot of valuable advice, keep up the good work.

[@411Outdoors]

Much appreciated! Love your brand🙂👍

[@natura3678]

I'm in africa and need to order one. knife attacks are common here in Douala and I need to starve for a month in order to buy this baton. I have been looking around for a while

[@martinwalker9386]

One good place to carry, IMO, is in a cargo pocket with your wallet, or maybe a dummy wallet, on your dominant side. Particularly a 16 inch baton. Throw the wallet as part of the baton deployment.

[@RUDEMASTER]

What are your thoughts on a Byrna EP with kinetic rounds? Cause pepperballs are not allowed here in California. But the Byrna EP i can carry. I already checked with an attorney so what are your thoughts on this??

[@411Outdoors]

I am very interested in testing but never have worked with it before

[@RUDEMASTER]

Very interested in what you think of it??. so if and when you do? please post

[@TheRasta4ri]

I'm still using my trusty old reliable sight unseen slapjack

[@josephwalker7395]

Some places treated as a billy club. So check your local laws on both baton and billy club.look how to use.modonock has a good video on how to use these.basicly you use the ok sign as a grip and go for big muscle groups. Try not to go for joints. It will break them.

[@jesusislord-ht1nj]

I have been hit with one on the head it busted my scalp and bleed alot but did not have enough weight to do any real damage or knock me out ...I think something like a truncheon would be better.

[@411Outdoors]

Some of these have different weights. I have one that’s really light and this one that’s kind of heavy. I think they’re designed to be more of a deterrent.

[@KhanKubratDulo]

Hello 👋 thank you for another great video . I am agree this is useful and easy Carry good self defense tool. Keep going brother👍

[@411Outdoors]

Thank you!

[@wizeyy]

I’m a Filipino martial artist and I think an expandable baton is a great self defense weapon. Training these arts also makes it easier for me to hit the hands of a knife attacker. Easier said than done though. It’s important to train this. Hitting the hands while moving can be surprisingly difficult

[@brigade911]

Great combination of reach, speed, striking power and concealment. And if you have common sense, self control and respect and knowledge of the law it will put you in little to no trouble, provided you are allowed to possess in the first place

[@Blackdog57]

I have been really wanting to get a baton BUT, I've seen so many bad reviews of people saying they are hard to close or stick when opening. 🙏