The Expandable Baton is Not a Self Defense Tool | Police Should Not Carry Batons

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hard2hurt

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@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
Question for Viewers: Does the baton ever work as intended?
@princed8534
@princed8534 5 жыл бұрын
Yes if you are in a fight against multiple attackers and you only have a baton it's better then nothing for anything else I think it's pretty useless
@DaveFu
@DaveFu 5 жыл бұрын
This one time at Band Camp....I was attacked by Ninjas and I didn't want to mess up my trombone.....
@garynaccarto8636
@garynaccarto8636 5 жыл бұрын
I think stick grappling is certainly posible however I also think in a physical altercation most people will not instinctively be using it like that.
@summocommentaction3273
@summocommentaction3273 5 жыл бұрын
Batons are for marching band players or Watch Dog fans that wanna be like Aiden Pierce.
@irbadltald2532
@irbadltald2532 5 жыл бұрын
The Taser has definitely replaced the baton and Pepper spray as the first less lethal option on an officer's belt. I do not know of any incidents when the baton was effective BUT with today's antitrust of the police, they need to have as many less lethal options on their belt as possible before lethal force
@R3DNECK
@R3DNECK 5 жыл бұрын
Get out of here dude, if we lose our batons we'll lose the most important tool on our belt. How am I supposed to scratch my back, with body armor on, without a baton 😂 UPDATE: I finally found another good use for a baton. A bunch of kids had a fire going in a local park, they left without snuffing the fire out. So I had to use my baton to break up the coals and douse it with water. I'm pretty much a fire fighter now. Just saying.
@Justin031296
@Justin031296 5 жыл бұрын
Someone said it
@Silver_wind_1987_
@Silver_wind_1987_ 5 жыл бұрын
And how are you supposed to eat your donuts or grab those keys you left under the seat without a baton
@R3DNECK
@R3DNECK 5 жыл бұрын
@@Silver_wind_1987_ that seriously makes me concerned for the way you eat donuts.
@Silver_wind_1987_
@Silver_wind_1987_ 5 жыл бұрын
@@R3DNECK I'm being sarcastic lmao
@imposterblockade1826
@imposterblockade1826 5 жыл бұрын
@@Silver_wind_1987_ hands
@toasttoast8687
@toasttoast8687 3 жыл бұрын
i live in a country where you cant own a gun to defend yourself, my uncle gave me a baton because he knows i like going out at night, one night i was walking home with my mother and some dude was following us and pulled a knife on us, not a huge blade but it was still a knife, he was asking for our phones and wallets, i said sure man just calm down and instead i pulled out the baton and broke his wrist with it, the knife flew away and he ran away, my mom and me were fine and unharmed and we kept our stuff, so yes im gonna keep carrying and swearing by my useless baton
@ilikeknafs9563
@ilikeknafs9563 2 жыл бұрын
what country?
@glennsmooth
@glennsmooth 2 жыл бұрын
You must live in this country called California. It’s got it’s own set of ridiculous laws far outside the federal ones.
@ilikeknafs9563
@ilikeknafs9563 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennsmooth Yep i’ve heard of that horrible country , heard people crap on the sidewalks there
@joannamonique707
@joannamonique707 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennsmooth so do like 27 other states. Lol cali is not at all the only state that doesn't respect guns laws. And whoever allows government actors to take their God given rights away is a pussy anyway. I do what I want. I don't at all respect the idea that other humans have any authority to tell me how to live. Every man created equal. I take it pretty literally 🤷🏾‍♀️
@Pokarface7
@Pokarface7 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a Chad!
@anthonyjames3196
@anthonyjames3196 3 жыл бұрын
When I lived in NYC where it's difficult to own a gun I carried a baton. I protected a young kid from being assaulted by a large man. I tapped his elbow and knees until he stopped attacking the kid. It definitely worked.
@blaynegreiner9365
@blaynegreiner9365 3 жыл бұрын
How hard did you tap his elbows and knees and did he suffer permanent damage? lol
@YoniNadi
@YoniNadi 3 жыл бұрын
@@blaynegreiner9365 . Maybe the user wasn’t trying to permanently damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees ; the user probably wanted to tap the attacker’s elbows; and knees hard enough to send him a massage to stop with his attacking the victim. If the user had wanted to he could have seriously damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees; or strike the attacker very hard in the neck; and most likely killing him! The ASP baton is no toy! I purchased a collapsible ASP baton earlier this month online; I purchased one of those collapsible ASP batons after 9/11 ; and I would practice swinging it; and hitting pieces of wood until it finally broke. If I was to strike a thug in his neck region; or on his face; or head he might bleed to death; and that would be okay with me!
@johnnysake8052
@johnnysake8052 3 жыл бұрын
pretty sure the whole point is that that specific encounter is not too common. In fact, assault/violent encounters can and should be avoided as much as possible just by words. Verbal Judo type-stuff.
@appalachianexploration5714
@appalachianexploration5714 3 жыл бұрын
Lol he called you out un the video, theres always someone who makes something up because they disagree.
@NotVeryGudGamer
@NotVeryGudGamer 3 жыл бұрын
Well you were attacking someone.. I get what your saying but that’s not self defense
@glynnmitchell9253
@glynnmitchell9253 Жыл бұрын
I don’t have 8 years of police experience, but I do have 28 years of police experience. I was hired when they did not issue mace or tasers. We had a baton and a pistol (and yes a revolver is a pistol). So I learned to fight with a baton on the streets. I have ended many fights with one strike to the leg and arm for the most part. But I practice a lot with a straight baton. The side handle baton hit hard but rotates down in the hand as it spins. A straight baton is more precise. Most people have played tennis, ping pong, badminton etc and know they can hit a small moving target with a straight handle “baton”. There is no nice way to hit them so hit like you are breaking furniture and one hit will likely end the fight. The exception being someone on drugs. But a baton can break them down mechanically but hitting joints if it gets that bad. Using mace causes you to have to deal with biohazard as the suspect starts issuing spit and snot in good quantities and you still have to handle them to cuff. Most rookies I trained were like you until they saw a baton work. I carried a collapsible baton when I worked undercover. But I have not hit anyone with one so I’ll not comment on that. Tasers , batons and hand strikes- the suspect will sometimes be injured when you drop them to the ground and hit the concrete or something hard. So, I love you but you are wrong .
@pickleman40
@pickleman40 Жыл бұрын
Seeing how much modern officers lack physical skills, and rely on their mace and tazer, it's probably for the best they don't have them anymore. Also female officers would be useless with them and you know it.
@joshuaslate3719
@joshuaslate3719 Жыл бұрын
A revolver is not a pistol. A fixed chamber weapon is a pistol. A revolving chamber weapon is a revolver.
@mr.dynomite8890
@mr.dynomite8890 Жыл бұрын
@@joshuaslate3719 The term pistol and handgun are interchangeable. That's why there's such a term as a semi auto pistol, which contrasts from a revolver or single shot pistol. And by your definition, any weapon with a fixed chamber would be a pistol, regardless of anything else. I know, you're going to complain about straw man argument with the last bit, but that's just to prove a point about the stupidity of this. A revolver is a pistol in the same way a Glock 19 is a pistol, they may function differently than each other, but they both fall under the pistol, or handgun definition. Just like how a rifle and a shotgun are exceptionally different, but both fall under the definition of a long gun.
@donohirst
@donohirst Жыл бұрын
No weapon is perfect, neither is it useless. Undercover carry them in the UK, I'm not sure whether the police still use batons here since pepper spray become prevalent. I've seen plenty videos of police over here getting into sticky situations with pepper spray precisely because most combat situations arise out of drug misuse, most crooks are sensible and don't want the huge hike in prison time cos they beat a copper to get away only to get caught eventually. I like these videos but I think there's some level of the algorithm making a more considered opinion less appealing to viewers. Nuance isn't conducive to good engagement!
@DubiousDubs
@DubiousDubs Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but you're referring to a solid baton rather than extendable right? Well he's talking specifically about extendable, and the reason these don't tend to work well is because they take longer to deploy and don't hit quite as hard. I can attest to that latter point since I have been hit with them while stone cold sober, and when the adrenaline is rushing, you don't feel a thing from those. Therefore, you can't rely on the normal hits to disable the opponent, and have to escalate to more dangerous targets, like the head or neck. This is where it leaves the legal part of the diagram and 9 times out of 10 heads over to the effective but not legal portion A solid baton is a fine weapon for a police officer like you said, but ultimately that's not what he's talking about
@prismaticc_abyss
@prismaticc_abyss 3 жыл бұрын
"This is not a self defense tool, this is a weapon" Weapon - a tool that can be used in self defense
@SpiritOfLion
@SpiritOfLion 3 жыл бұрын
reminds me of the argument betwen USA and Russia about anti-missle defence system :D
@bjjkickboxing7876
@bjjkickboxing7876 3 жыл бұрын
@@SpiritOfLion what he means with self defence tool is more of a "compliance tool"
@Sava.S
@Sava.S 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@prismaticc_abyss
@prismaticc_abyss 3 жыл бұрын
@@bjjkickboxing7876 it really doesnt matter what he means if he doesnt say what he means
@bjjkickboxing7876
@bjjkickboxing7876 3 жыл бұрын
@@prismaticc_abyss it does matter as it cha ges the whole purpouse of the video
@hremaddox
@hremaddox 3 жыл бұрын
"This is a weapon you use when you can't control the person with your fighting skills." Precisely, dude. I'm 5'1". I'm not going to beat any man in a fight. I need to fight dirty. 😆
@sarahb8147
@sarahb8147 2 жыл бұрын
This video was clearly made by and for men. I’m gonna buy one
@eldz521
@eldz521 2 жыл бұрын
But Aiden is 6' something
@Stillnotking1
@Stillnotking1 2 жыл бұрын
It's a equalizer
@SymphonyFingerstyleCovers
@SymphonyFingerstyleCovers 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah of course when your 5'0 flat you need to use everything that your hand touches like bottle of beer chair a mug everything
@lesleybrown1583
@lesleybrown1583 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stillnotking1 good eh!!
@Swolidarity
@Swolidarity 3 жыл бұрын
Considering it’s longer than a knife and able to break bones, i get a feeling that it’s a decent wacking weapon for self defense if you don’t want to risk actually killing people like a knife could
@zaodedong9935
@zaodedong9935 3 жыл бұрын
With perfect accuracy, then yes you don't run the risk of killing somebody with a baton. However nobody has perfect accuracy, and if you accidentally strike somebody in the temple with that thing you can absolutely kill them with it. Granted it's not as big of a risk of killing the person as a knife would be, but there's still a risk.
@vendettaverrone7159
@vendettaverrone7159 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaodedong9935 I think the baton is a nice in between a knife and a gun. Its better to have a non accurate shot with a baton than a gun and the length/distance than a knife against the opponent... atleast in the US legality on polices side never mattered too much anyway🤷‍♀️ If one gotta be trained on accuracy and being able to stop oneself once the targets been taken down( I had the word in my head but it escaped me) I'd take control over a baton rather than a gun. Control over a gun is def needed but it shouldn't be no1 priority in teachings to discredit the use of batons and other not-immediately-deadly weappns/tools.
@zaodedong9935
@zaodedong9935 3 жыл бұрын
@@vendettaverrone7159 I was simply talking about lethality, not effectiveness. I fully agree that a baton is effective in a self-defense situation.
@michaelkeha
@michaelkeha 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaodedong9935 in a self defense situation if they have a knife and are threatening you with it congrats they have revoked their right to live if they die in the scuffle they earned it
@tangerinetech5300
@tangerinetech5300 3 жыл бұрын
@@zaodedong9935 oh yeah I'm gunna feel so bad if the dude that attacked me for no reason dies from his injuries. Do you people even like live in reality. You must have never been in anything close to an actual altercations with another person who wants to hurt you.
@durkadurka5247
@durkadurka5247 Жыл бұрын
I just made a 2k mile road trip each way for the holidays. I didn't carry since I was going through some restrictive liberal states, but I did have a 24" collapsible baton on me when walking the dogs or going out to the car. Someone tried to mug me in the hotel parking lot coming back. He had a pocket knife, I pulled out the baton. He ran away. Worked as intended.
@faraon2012
@faraon2012 Жыл бұрын
Baton plus pepper spray, always when i take my dog park . if you waiting for police help or 911, you are totally dead in usa. no man s land 😢
@RailRoad188
@RailRoad188 Жыл бұрын
Reciprocity is the law of the land, if you have a carry permit, it is valid throughout the country
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, because you didn't get stabbed while trying to pull out your baton and deploying it.
@DDDYLN
@DDDYLN 10 ай бұрын
​@@RailRoad188while I'd like that to be the case, it isn't. Some states in this country are full of morons.
@brigade911
@brigade911 7 ай бұрын
@@NoName-mi8js pulling out and deploying is practically one move
@sigmaedgemotivation
@sigmaedgemotivation 3 жыл бұрын
I've been a Patrol Officer in some of the hardest areas of Southern Arizona. I have had ample opportunity to use a Baton, OC, and Taser. I have to say, the Baton can be perfectly LEGALLY effective. When someone squares up with you and you start blasting their elbow & forearm/wrist & hand areas, they tend to think twice about their previous actions...
@emanuelgraham9089
@emanuelgraham9089 2 жыл бұрын
Be alive to tell your story, instead being carried in a casket, what ever works
@bobone866
@bobone866 2 жыл бұрын
In cali they are completely illegal.. the justice system favors criminals here so my only options are run( family of 4) a 3 inch knife taser or tiny oc spray.... I wish we could carry a baton here. I never want to use a knife for self defence and tasers dont help you keep distance.
@oneproudbrowncoat
@oneproudbrowncoat 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't been a police officer, and I really don't understand the procedures. I'd prefer to ask about the "effective vs legal" problem. Don't police officers know the difference between an attacker and an ordinary person?
@dracoandtheadventures3588
@dracoandtheadventures3588 2 жыл бұрын
@@oneproudbrowncoat not really. I saw a black man on the news get shot for pulling up his pants..
@ddogegaming8031
@ddogegaming8031 2 жыл бұрын
Whoop
@marionavarro4788
@marionavarro4788 2 жыл бұрын
I would say that it being a weapon is precisely the reason it should be carried.
@chaimafaghet7343
@chaimafaghet7343 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty much. He maybe has a point for the cops, but anyone else who gets attacked should absolutely be smacking their assailant in the head with a metal bar if they don't have a gun.
@venomsabre2696
@venomsabre2696 Жыл бұрын
​@Apple Support For Police a gun should be the very last thing they use to gain compliance. For a regular person a gun should also be the last thing on your list of priorities. Being a gun carrying advocate doesn't mean that he believes its always ok to shoot someone to death, and even if he believes that at the very least a gun is way more effective than a baton. Police carry a gun because they are tasked with entering a dangerous situation. The gun is a last resort and should be treated as such. Yes, hitting someone on the head with a baton will make them bleed out and probably die and shooting someone will probably do the same thing, but if that's the case then why carry the baton if it's just going to do the guns job less effectively and safely for the person who carries it. The issue he points is that the use cases of a baton where they are effective aren't typically legal, and the times where its legal to use the baton don't gain compliance. However, this idea may be biased given that whenever a baton is used unlawfully, videos of that scenario are sent online and get views, which would never be the case with the times batons were used legally. Besides the alternatives Hard2Hurt recommends are tactical whips, which he fully acknowledges would probably not be a good, justifiable idea for a citizen, let alone a police officer lol. But at least they were whipped into compliance instead of having their heads bleeding out.
@LisaAnn777
@LisaAnn777 Жыл бұрын
Right? I thought this guy was being sarcastic or something. it's a very effective weapon.
@thiagoelav633
@thiagoelav633 Жыл бұрын
the point is, in a fight a baton doesnt really hurt and doesnt make people comply, unless you hit them in the head, but if you hit someone in the head with a baton it might kill them, for a cop i dont need to explain why is dumb to use a Non-lethal weapon that only makes effect if you use lethal force with it, for a untrained civilian, using a baton most likely you will lose the baton an then get hit by it, as a trained civilian, if you have a little bit of racionality and emotion, you know that killing someone is not a good thing to do and will change your life forever so probably its not how you're gonna handle every situation.
@thiagoelav633
@thiagoelav633 Жыл бұрын
@appIesupport yeah, break his knees, perhaps torn a ligament and maybe give them permanent damage. if you wanna make people hurt, there is other weapons more eficient than a baton. and if you wanna make people comply, there is other tools more eficient than a baton. so why use a baton really?
@chrissnoeberger192
@chrissnoeberger192 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing going for the baton... is that when it is deployed, usually that's the end of it. Nobody wants to be hit with a giant metal stick lol
@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537
@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t understand real world scenarios. Stop trying to.
@chrissnoeberger192
@chrissnoeberger192 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 You're right, I've just carried one at work for years. No experience whatsoever. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and that you think less of others.
@carlos52321
@carlos52321 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly it creates an obstacle between the aggressor and defender
@chrissnoeberger192
@chrissnoeberger192 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 not sure where your other comment went big guy. You gotta give respect to get it. Don't discount the experiences of others, especially considering policing and being in the military are two totally different monsters. Just as being in a combat zone vs here in the United States.
@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537
@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrissnoeberger192 Not sure where it went either, maybe KZbin deleted it. I’ve given enough of myself to this country pal, two bullet wound scars and constant nightmares confirm that. Whatever experiences you faced on the streets are nothing compared to what I did, I can assure you.
@Pancake374
@Pancake374 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen a guy fighting 2 guys one time while I was buying groceries with my parents about 3 years ago. They were in the parking lot and the 2 guys seems to be like drug addicts that were asking for money forcefully. One of the goons was about to pull something from his pocket when the dude got his baton, extended it and hit the guy on the temple. It all happened so quick that the other guy was confused and just took off running while his friend is out cold bleeding.
@infidel900rr
@infidel900rr Жыл бұрын
Perfect, that's exactly what it should do.👍
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
So, only works when the "goons" are so damn slow that they take longer to pull out something than it takes for you to see him pull things out, react, pull out a baton, deploy it, and then somehow hit him in the head.
@Pancake374
@Pancake374 Жыл бұрын
@@NoName-mi8js it takes like a second to to pull and deploy a baton at the same time. Also from what I remember the baton that the guy used might be automatic cause it didn’t look like he flicked his wrist.
@mingus444_gaming
@mingus444_gaming 7 ай бұрын
@@NoName-mi8js its not hard to use, just dont be a buffoon
@jamieshannon9019
@jamieshannon9019 4 ай бұрын
@NoName-mi8js No, it can actually work in different ways, too. Come on, man, not trying to be a jerk, but think about what you said. That logic of yours, which i'm being generous calling it logic, could be used for anything. So let me get this straight. A gun only works for a police officer if he happens to pull it out before the bad guy does and shoot him before the cop gets shot. Otherwise it doesn't work. Is that what the hell you're saying? I mean, what the hell are you talking about? So I guess it's better to not have a gun at all, and only the bad guy can have one. So that way, even if he is slow, pulling it out, you're gonna be shot.Regardless is that your plan? I mean, we really shouldn't fight back anyways, because it only works if we happen to be a better fighter than them. So if we're not, then we lose anyways, so there's no point of even trying or doing anything, I mean, listen, how absurd your logic is . Airplanes are only gonna work unless it crashes and kills everybody So I mean, I guess they're basically pointless.It's amazing That that's the argument you would use, even if you're against batons, and by the way, i'm not for batons, I'm not against them. But the reasons that have been given to argue against them are so illogical, a nonsensical. I don't need to carry up a time.I have a permit to carry a gun if I choose to . I pray to god.I would never have to use it. But i'm not gonna sit there and say, well, it's only gonna work unless it jams somehow because it was manufactured incorrectly, so don't even bother.Yeah, I guarantee you wouldn't think that if somebody was breaking into your home, attempting to hurt your family. Because I guarantee with an attitude like that. Most likely, I doubt you're gonna put up much of a physical defense yourself. You'd be the first one saying, honey, go see what that is
@adam45011
@adam45011 5 жыл бұрын
Screw the baton; gimme that metal cable whip.
@hatimelouaqour610
@hatimelouaqour610 5 жыл бұрын
Adam Collins yea boy that shit dumb scary, debating getting one for my girl
@gagewilliams5405
@gagewilliams5405 5 жыл бұрын
@@hatimelouaqour610 if u live in a sketch area and u cant get her a concealed carry I'd say get her one seems crazy effective
@Noisemansoundinsect
@Noisemansoundinsect 5 жыл бұрын
I have a cut bull whip just under 1 metre. It bruise the hell out of you but would not kill you or make you lose an eye like that metal lash
@andrebarreto9177
@andrebarreto9177 5 жыл бұрын
Buy her a Rosie O'Donnell costume, she will never be safer
@joedell71
@joedell71 5 жыл бұрын
Adam Collins I wear an extra long wallet chain. Made of welded link stainless steel chain with a 3/4.” Link. Looks like a fashion accessory until I take it off and start swinging it 😄 That metal cable whip is just the next evolution of the “wallet” chain that bikers have carried for decades.😊
@AvinashTavares
@AvinashTavares 3 жыл бұрын
My baton has been an effective deterrent. During the lockdown my girl and I were feeding stray dogs at night. Three guys in a car saw her went few meters ahead and stopped. I got out my baton and stood near her. They got out of the car, saw me with the baton and sat back in. I think a good self defense weapon is one which you don't have to use
@michaelmaston4702
@michaelmaston4702 3 жыл бұрын
...but can be used if necessary.
@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438
@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 3 жыл бұрын
Your mistake was feeding the worthless stray dogs. They didn't defend you.
@Magodaparty
@Magodaparty 2 жыл бұрын
A nunchaku can intimidate a lot more But it's a lot harder to learn how to use it properly
@dabo5078
@dabo5078 2 жыл бұрын
If they are there to murk you they would most certainly carry a gun and a baton ain’t going to deter them. I’d rather have a gun in those scenario.
@legionofgod6691
@legionofgod6691 2 жыл бұрын
@@Magodaparty try showing off them Nun chuck moves and you’ll end up walking yourself 😂😂
@Mr.Sr.Jr.
@Mr.Sr.Jr. 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine your angry little friend asks you to help him with a KZbin video and then playfully swings and twirls a baton inches from your face for 7 minutes.. 🤣
@MatthewsSloan
@MatthewsSloan 3 жыл бұрын
He hit me in the tooth all careless like that I'd punch him in the mouth.
@ivanjoshuamichel1344
@ivanjoshuamichel1344 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonpatio8338 he was a police officer tho
@BaldMancTwat
@BaldMancTwat 3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanjoshuamichel1344 He's also an egomaniac but we'll gloss over that
@lincolnpascual
@lincolnpascual 3 жыл бұрын
That's all I was thinking the whole time too... he's bitching about safety and compliance and not hurting people, the whole time literal inches away from accidentally smashing his buddy's teeth in. Hypocrisy in action.
@gelatofriendlyTV
@gelatofriendlyTV 3 жыл бұрын
All u guys in this little comment thread r pussys lmao.
@JensGraikowski
@JensGraikowski Жыл бұрын
"This is not merely a self-defense tool; this is a weapon. It's the instrument you employ to harm an individual that you're either angry or frustrated with, as you can't manage them solely through your combat skills." Absolutely, that's precisely what a self-defense tool is. It provides individuals who lack specific combat skills (which is about 99% of the population) with an advantage over an attacker. 🙄
@seeker4wisdom
@seeker4wisdom Жыл бұрын
I know, right? I don't feel the need to engage in a fair fight with someone twice my size and strength intent on killing me.
@acidead97
@acidead97 Жыл бұрын
And after that he says he's a supporter of concealed carry like what? Is that not the same thing?
@brigade911
@brigade911 7 ай бұрын
Police by definition is (or should be) using lawful violence for the interest of the public. Policemen don't have to be ninjas or samurais to manage everyone through their combat skills, they just need the equipment (as in weapons) and basic training on their weapons and tactics to be able to manage anyone. With the power of numbers on their side if needed. Because it's not about them proving they are the best in combat, it's about them enforcing the law for the benefit of all of us
@Noah-vz9ro
@Noah-vz9ro 7 ай бұрын
ok man you say that like its a bad thing besides more assaults happen with fists because someones angry and guess what you always have them unless they get cut off but.
@Sandman-actual
@Sandman-actual 5 ай бұрын
⁠@@acidead97a baton is not a firearm dude. When he said concealed carry he was talking about a gun.
@dallaswolfe20
@dallaswolfe20 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Muay Thai instructor (KRU) and a Balintawak practitioner (Filipino stick and knife). A baton isn't the same as a burnt Rattan, but they're interchangeable in utility. After years of live sparring with sticks and being around high level artists, I can say with 100% confidence that a well trained Martial Artist is extremely dangerous in a self-defense scenario with a Baton. It took me years to even score a significant hit on a well practiced person. I mean, common. You almost knocked out your buddies teeth by merely being careless. As far as the legality conversation goes, I'd rather be able to hash it out with my lawyer than be dead on the pavement.
@1911GreaterThanALL
@1911GreaterThanALL 2 жыл бұрын
If it comes to a legitimate threat to your life why wouldn't you simply use a gun then? Far more effective than a stick. Lots of places a baton is looked at as the same level of force as a firearm. So even that argument depending on the area doesn't really pan out.
@tonyperez4713
@tonyperez4713 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but he's not talking about well experienced martial artists. He's talking about everyday common people using a baton for self defense. The point of self defense is defending your life in the most efficient and effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your scenario, if an experienced martial artist were to use said baton, in a court of law that might be misconstrued as being more assault with intent to kill than self defense, which makes a huge difference. It's viewed as, well if you hit this person here in X place or you hit them X amount of times then you intended on hurting that subject rather than just defending yourself. If you shoot a subject in the chest twice while he's coming at you, then at least here in the state of texas, that's known as standing your ground. Not to mention that if you hurt someone, even someone that attacked you, that person can come back and sue the shit out of you. Self defense is about way more than just being good at fighting. It's about knowing what to do and what not to do in a given situation, and knowing how the laws in your state work.
@genin69
@genin69 2 жыл бұрын
this dude is literally just click baiting people now cause his content sucks balls. he goes on about how useless it is and at 3:35 he states that a danger could be that the attacker will disarm you and use it against you.. quite literally shot himself in the foot and then put foot in his own mouth. that must be the dumbest self own ever
@stanknight9159
@stanknight9159 Жыл бұрын
@@1911GreaterThanALL Guns can miss, hit unintended targets. Batons, sticks, knives don't miss. I would rather a baton than a gun. Guns require distance and not effective in close range. Guns are good but knowing range and something to use for up close is also good. Most fights, start in close range.
@1911GreaterThanALL
@1911GreaterThanALL Жыл бұрын
@@stanknight9159 If you literally put the muzzle onto a threat and pull the trigger the threat goes away or is highly dissuaded. You can miss with anything. You can swing and miss a baseball you can swing and miss a person. A firearm poses the risk of being taken from you and used against you just like a baton or whatever. However a firearm is the best tool in terms of force.
@Frindleeguy
@Frindleeguy 3 жыл бұрын
So you're saying don't hit em with a stick, just shoot em? Interesting take.
@jaymstergms3596
@jaymstergms3596 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see I'm not the only person who's see how stupid this is
@luthfiahadian
@luthfiahadian 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaymstergms3596 yeah mate i'm agree for you guys, no offense but this content is stupid really, obviously he's never been hit by Baton in the head, because I've done it to a bad guy on the street, and it's work, the person fell and was unconscious instantly.
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: law in my country is more clear about carring knife of any lenght than expendable baton
@martysherwood8853
@martysherwood8853 3 жыл бұрын
@@Petaurista13 he is a foolish man Big mouth...
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 3 жыл бұрын
@@martysherwood8853 who?
@Johnnyjoejoe
@Johnnyjoejoe 5 жыл бұрын
Me: Uses baton to fight everyone. Everyone else on the Olympic relay team: 😲😕🙁😧😠
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
Haha whoa dude relax
@Johnnyjoejoe
@Johnnyjoejoe 5 жыл бұрын
@@hard2hurt I'm just kidding of course. Great video BTW 😊
@dramaticreaper
@dramaticreaper 5 жыл бұрын
You forgot to add my profile pic
@Johnnyjoejoe
@Johnnyjoejoe 5 жыл бұрын
@@dramaticreaper About time you arrived...
@AmericanThrillseeker
@AmericanThrillseeker 5 жыл бұрын
​@@Johnnyjoejoe - Aw heck... I was gonna say how awesome it was to be watching the same vids as an Olympian.
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin Жыл бұрын
It seems crazy to me that using something as low key as a Baton for a legit, true self defense situation could be considered illegal. If we are allowed to use something as straight up lethal as a gun for self defense, then why on earth would a Baton not be considered so? If someone is straight up attacking or robbing you, you should be allowed to use whatever the hell is nearby to defend yourself. It's either you or them in that situation. Sometimes the law is completely illogical I swear...
@indiecore-2022
@indiecore-2022 4 ай бұрын
You should literally be allowed to carry any device with lower lethality than a gun anywhere, of course concealed if it's a blade but they shouldn't have any legislation on weapons of lower tier than firearms
@thedreamsoldiers
@thedreamsoldiers 5 жыл бұрын
This guy: this is a weapon Me: ok I want one even more now
@SailingSabaiSabai
@SailingSabaiSabai 5 жыл бұрын
pretty much
@livingbruhmoment1549
@livingbruhmoment1549 5 жыл бұрын
Yep
@fadechicobuarque1989
@fadechicobuarque1989 4 жыл бұрын
An ineffective weapon, at least in the video.
@ninjafruitchilled
@ninjafruitchilled 4 жыл бұрын
@@fadechicobuarque1989 Well I don't think that was his point. Batons *are* effective, too effective, they just fuck people up.
@bionicwizard
@bionicwizard 4 жыл бұрын
Would you not want to have a weapon for defense?
@johndoe-uz2kc
@johndoe-uz2kc 3 жыл бұрын
I was wondering how he was going to explain how a metal piece of steel that can break bones and crack skulls somehow isn't a good thing to defend yourself with....yeah I'm still using the baton to turn my attacker's face into a golf divet.
@Go4Bro
@Go4Bro 3 жыл бұрын
I'd rather have it on me than my pocket knife if someone attacks me
@-dale2051
@-dale2051 3 жыл бұрын
Because you could kill your attacker. If you use a laser you can just blind him and he becomes harmless.
@rlanger3108
@rlanger3108 3 жыл бұрын
@@-dale2051 ok and? If someone attacks me, sorry you might get killed. A laser is going to be be super unreliable, way less reliable and smacking someone in the head with a steel rod.
@-dale2051
@-dale2051 3 жыл бұрын
@@rlanger3108 but then you're going to prison
@larrikinlancer685
@larrikinlancer685 3 жыл бұрын
@@-dale2051 Not in the U.S, self-defense kills usually hold up in court.
@michaelstythax137
@michaelstythax137 5 жыл бұрын
The only problem with having a baton is not having another baton for dual weilded maximum beat down capacity.
@anxiousclan176
@anxiousclan176 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Stythax that’s stupid, you have to duct tape duel wielding batons to your duel wielding batons for maximum force
@ninjaneil902
@ninjaneil902 5 жыл бұрын
And to totally maximize it, duck tape a pair on each foot, now your round house kicks will have extended reach!
@anxiousclan176
@anxiousclan176 5 жыл бұрын
SageAir13 Now we need extended baton armor
@michaelstythax137
@michaelstythax137 5 жыл бұрын
@@anxiousclan176 Lord of bones type armour of batons, and with enough duck tape and batons we could also make a baton dragon to ride into da streetz
@anxiousclan176
@anxiousclan176 5 жыл бұрын
Michael Stythax An expandable baton dragon, what about A Baton princess
@scottmatznick3140
@scottmatznick3140 10 ай бұрын
"these are not a self defense tool, these are a weapon" Bro that's the same thing. You defend yourself using weapons when you are outmatched.
@jeffreygalle
@jeffreygalle 7 ай бұрын
Word for word
@gremlintatua800
@gremlintatua800 5 жыл бұрын
I live in the UK and recently had someone trying to attack me with a knife lucky enough I had my telescopic baton with me me as soon as I pulled it out he ran away so for me it did it's job well by preventing something serious happened!!
@mrsentencename7334
@mrsentencename7334 5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about buying one for this exact reason. Can you link me the one you have and also is it legal to carry?
@mrsentencename7334
@mrsentencename7334 5 жыл бұрын
Pierre LeDouche I live in uk so it’s probably illegal but there’s too many violent hungry people Walking around with knifes now to risk it
@Jack-ux1ow
@Jack-ux1ow 5 жыл бұрын
Can I ask what job you do in the UK?
@razvanstan1243
@razvanstan1243 5 жыл бұрын
@@mrsentencename7334 search ExB-18hs Most durable and legal
@Forkuh
@Forkuh 5 жыл бұрын
Telescopic batons are classed as offensive weapons in the UK and thus illegal to carry.
@tjsnaps
@tjsnaps 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has worked as security guard who's only means of self defense was a baton I will say this. 1 on one occasion I successfully defended myself against a tire iron. 2 there were many times I stopped an attack just by pulling the thing. Sure they kept on talking tough but they did it while backing up.
@trendsetta6411
@trendsetta6411 2 жыл бұрын
I am a night club bouncer 7 yrs, and I’ve successfully used my baton on numerous occasions to deter silly drunks, and Also successfully defended myself as well as others by physically using it…
@nunyabi5953
@nunyabi5953 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Idk if he just has an issue with cops or what but I have no idea how someone’s gonna say that a long metal stick s not a good weapon. Range and force. That’s like saying a bat isnt a good weapon. Ummmm yes tf it is
@samuraicupcake289
@samuraicupcake289 2 жыл бұрын
I can see a number of pros to using this weapon, even though I never have myself: -Easily carried, portable, light -Threatening sound and movement when deployed. Sometimes that's enough to deter an attacker. -Has a nasty reputation. Yeah, it can be used to really wreck someone. It can be scary. Even if technically proven a bad weapon. -Longer range than a knife and less risk of lethal injury on the target. -As other have stated, if aimed properly it can be an ideal disarming weapon. If it breaks a wrist it may even disable a threat completely, giving you time to call 911 or run away. -If someone is charging at you, a sidestep followed by a sharp blow to the leg can cripple your attacker, making them regret their choices, without risk of lethal injury. -Other uses aside from as a weapon. Can break glass or snap a tree branch. -Can fend off a dog or wild animal. Getting a bladed weapon stuck in one might result in you getting bit, which is really bad if they are rabid. -Probably faster to deploy than pepperspray or a tazer, though either have their advantages over a baton. -Can potentially knock out an opponent, though IRL its not like in movies and may result in severe permanent injury. Though that is acceptable in some mugging or house defense scenarios. Probably not something to use against a simply aggressive/unruly/drunk person and I agree on the bit about cops abusing it. I can seriously f**k someone up, send people to the hospital and incur lawsuits, whereas mace/tazers won't. But against an _armed_ opponent it seems like a weapon of choice. Fast, threatening, effective, reaching, disabling and disarming.
@DaHuntsman1
@DaHuntsman1 2 жыл бұрын
like i say, half of self defense is presentation, if you can present yourself in a way that shows potential aggressors that you aren't someone to fuck around with, it will dissuade any assaults/muggings. whipping out a baton is one such way of doing that by showing you have a weapon and are willing to use it, but avoiding the potential pitfalls that pulling a gun might have (for example if you are in a crowded situation where bringing a gun into that situation could lead to collateral damage, or might not actually be allowed either socially or legally)
@HibsMax
@HibsMax Жыл бұрын
@@DaHuntsman1 not to mention that drawing a gun means you could get popped by another good guy with a gun who misidentifies YOU as the threat.
@FernBlackwood1995
@FernBlackwood1995 Жыл бұрын
Y’all are taking the words right out of my mouth. It’s the truth.
@graveyj2000
@graveyj2000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think I agree with all the comments and not this guy, on this one. I have been researching the collapsible baton because I have been taking kick boxing and stick fighting classes for about a year and a half, and am getting reasonably good with the Kali sticks that I would likely be able to defend against someone who had a knife. I will never be good enough with a knife to defend against a knife-and it looks like nobody really is. I figure a collapsible baton should be a decent stand-in for a kali stick. :)
@echol8087
@echol8087 6 ай бұрын
@@graveyj2000 And don't discount the kali stick if you have nothing else left lol. Getting smashed by one of those HURTS. Not as much as a baton, but still.
@Craig4Yeshua
@Craig4Yeshua Жыл бұрын
I have no obligation to fight fair with some idiot who wants to do me harm. I do not go around causing trouble or go looking for it, but wont fight fair if it finds me.
@ishybro
@ishybro 4 ай бұрын
Tell that to the police
@Brad__Gray
@Brad__Gray 4 ай бұрын
​@ishybro ignorant comment.
@coolgamer2135
@coolgamer2135 4 ай бұрын
​@ishybro Cope and lol stop being a tough guy. You're gonna get yourself killed mun child.
@NateO123
@NateO123 3 ай бұрын
@@ishybro hope you don’t end up victimized sir. If you don’t have the right to use every means available to you to defend yourself when under attack then you don’t really have any rights period.
@ishybro
@ishybro 3 ай бұрын
@@NateO123 mhm, that sounds about right
@mario6279
@mario6279 5 жыл бұрын
The only thing this video managed to accomplish was to give me good reason to buy a baton
@damien5613
@damien5613 5 жыл бұрын
May I ask why
@chavvy9074
@chavvy9074 5 жыл бұрын
@@whatever12. funnily enough for example in New York where guns are hard to obtain, batons are legal
@RVukovi
@RVukovi 5 жыл бұрын
Legendary Force If you (an officer) feel threatened because a perp is larger than you, that’s not a good enough reason to use force
@lordhamlett
@lordhamlett 5 жыл бұрын
@Legendary Force Clearly you are not a LEO. What he failed to demonstrate in the video is that even striking with the baton is ineffective. The only part on the baton worth landing a strike with is the threaded tip. When you are fighting and have adrenaline pumping, aiming that threaded tip where you want it to go on a person that is attacking you and moving is near impossible. I've seen them used in person three times and none of the times were they effective. The only time they are worth a shit is if you hit a bony (illegal) area with the threaded tip. The only "legal" areas to hit a human with a baton in a law enforcement capacity are meaty areas of the body. If you hit bony areas and break them, now you have to explain why you hit a bony area (probably because the suspect was moving) to avoid losing your job or obtaining charges. Personally, my baton has stayed in it's holster (I'm required to have it) since I've been doing my job. I'd rather use my hands and OC spray.
@assassinmanx6128
@assassinmanx6128 5 жыл бұрын
You have to have an expensive one to be effective. Like over $75 and up. Those will not break and are sturdy and will fold someone. The older ones in like '98 to 2003 were pure steel and extremely hard to close and open. To open you had to have good technique and super flick of the wrist. To close them you had to pound them on the damn ground.
@peppers1758
@peppers1758 4 жыл бұрын
"it's a thing used to hurt a person" Yeah... That's the idea
@santiagocortez9554
@santiagocortez9554 4 жыл бұрын
Atleast they don't die unlike when you use a gun💀
@TheFishking16
@TheFishking16 4 жыл бұрын
Edge lord McGee over here
@thestuffmikedoes2309
@thestuffmikedoes2309 4 жыл бұрын
It's almost as if you didn't watch the video
@mythologicalnomad6520
@mythologicalnomad6520 4 жыл бұрын
I’ll say what my father always said when he whooped my ass for being a little shit and I cried about it hurting “Well it isn’t suppose to tickle” No shit it’s made to hurt people, it’s a physical force factor to gain compliance. Personally I hate using them, but they have their uses.
@ommaigod
@ommaigod 4 жыл бұрын
@max marrero What kinds of trouble?
@sideshowbilly3755
@sideshowbilly3755 2 жыл бұрын
Although not used as a weapon in this case, the baton has successfully been used countless times by officers and civilians alike to bust out car windows saving trapped or unconscious victims. Not to mention the baton's use of "extracting" non-compliant suspects from their cars. I myself have used a baton to successfully defend against wild dogs attacking me while trail running. You wont see me giving mine up any time soon.
@ManifestingADream
@ManifestingADream 2 жыл бұрын
why? isn't it easier to just break a window with the grip of your gun? the baton is simply not practical for those use cases
@DVDRAR
@DVDRAR 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManifestingADream and risk a misfire? No fuckin way
@ManifestingADream
@ManifestingADream 2 жыл бұрын
@@DVDRAR your're right, it might be easier to just fire a round through the window instead. good thinking
@SpaceEmperorGenos
@SpaceEmperorGenos 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManifestingADream your name has to take the cake for the most ironic i've ever seen on the internet
@bodyno3158
@bodyno3158 2 жыл бұрын
@@ManifestingADream These days some baton comes with a tip that embeded with a carbide glass breaker. A small life tip: hit the glass at the higher corner when you are trying to break car window.
@Red5_xwing
@Red5_xwing Жыл бұрын
As a woman driving across Canada alone with a uhaul trailer full of stuff and who doesn't own a gun, I felt safer with that exact baton under the seat of my car as I slept in my car during my travels. I feel in my case, it would be self defense against a person trying to break into my car and get at me.
@cgsec2275
@cgsec2275 11 ай бұрын
That is actually probably the worse situation to try and use one in my opinion. It requires a large swing to be at all effective. You are not going to be able to swing it enough while inside the car to have an effect.
@G.Saint-Star
@G.Saint-Star 11 ай бұрын
@@cgsec2275she might get dragged out of the car. Besides, being alone in some dark highway trying to sleep, I would feel more comfortable with anything in my hand than nothing. I rather have 20 inches of steel than nothing.
@dominickstewart433
@dominickstewart433 2 жыл бұрын
Batons are the step between nonlethal force and using guns. I approve
@tonyperez4713
@tonyperez4713 2 жыл бұрын
Taser.
@aandyherr817
@aandyherr817 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyperez4713 Soft hands, Hard hands, Chemical, Taser, Baton, Firearm. Taser is generally less-lethal than a baton, but Taser is better than nothing, and better than hitting or killing someone... but it's best to have a baton in between that gun and taser. Would you rather just shoot someone dead OR hit them twice with a baton and live? ... One is minor injury, the other is they are killed by you. Think hard.
@FormallyKoki
@FormallyKoki Жыл бұрын
@@aandyherr817 a taser can actually cause cardiac arrest and people with pacemakers will die from tasers. Most security guards aren’t allowed to carry tasers because of that.
@darrylatkins5049
@darrylatkins5049 Жыл бұрын
​@@FormallyKoki This is a lie people use to try and help criminals out. This isn't how they work
@darrylatkins5049
@darrylatkins5049 Жыл бұрын
​@Koki also I'm a security guard and we have less restrictions than police do. Police don't really carry them anymore and it's because they are usually ineffective and we are in the midst of a Fentanyl epidemic
@scootermagic
@scootermagic 5 жыл бұрын
Better than nothing. Would prefer this in my hand against a edged weapon or another blunt object if I did not have a firearm.
@punisher7772
@punisher7772 5 жыл бұрын
Agree. This is what you use against another weapon.
@podjo2k9
@podjo2k9 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely I have one
@lucius_caecillius
@lucius_caecillius 5 жыл бұрын
And in some situations a weapon like this is the only practical legal alternative to being unarmed
@Mikesullin
@Mikesullin 5 жыл бұрын
Ryde_JA Agree 100%. If you had to fight someone with a knife empty hand, your getting jacked up no matter what, if you have a baton, your in pretty good shap
@AstralS7orm
@AstralS7orm 5 жыл бұрын
@@Mikesullin You're getting jacked when equipped a baton too, unless it's a shitty stupid duel. Don't get into duels. People will rarely back down when hit with a baton (as opposed, say, getting faceful of pepper spray) and it's as hard to keep distance or strike effectively with one of these as unarmed. And the weapon locks an untrained user into dangerous swings which open you to knife stabs everywhere if the attacker just takes a hit. It's the equivalent of wild haymakers.
@jsocks1984
@jsocks1984 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been in law-enforcement for 15 years, and Baton worked great for me. Made for a great back scratcher, picking up snakes or moving nasty things I don’t wanna touch. Oh I was supposed to hit people with it, yeah never happen.
@lecobra418
@lecobra418 3 жыл бұрын
You should come to West Baltimore then.
@joejoeington6899
@joejoeington6899 3 жыл бұрын
That’s actually kinda useful sounding though
@thethree60five
@thethree60five 3 жыл бұрын
Good reply. But I have to ask you honestly, as you are the professional in confrontations by likely sheer number of experience. _If_ a baton is weapon where it is clearly not for self defensive, and is dangerously offensive on many levels from legality, concealment, and assault charge more likely because one is using said offensive weapon.... Does this not make it the ultimate deterant? Did you have to draw it ever, or had you felt it did have some deterant factor for compliance? I realize of course one should not carry anything they are not willing to use, and applied to carrying an offensive weapon, that is an issue. But still, isn't there a 'fear of the bâton' that it does work for a deterant of action? If you had to reach for a weapon, (assuming the other is unarmed) would it not be better to shift policing away from deadly force of a gun to choosing an effective offensive weapon? ('Charline horses', break a hand finger, or forearm.) Would this not be better than straight to the Colt, for death avoidance?
@jsocks1984
@jsocks1984 3 жыл бұрын
@@thethree60five from my experience and being around other law enforcement officers from around the country, baton does not deter people. Also if it reached a point where I had to draw and use a firearm the time to wound the person has past.
@thethree60five
@thethree60five 3 жыл бұрын
@@jsocks1984 Thanks for the reply. I appreciate that. I am honestly curious and you seem to be the right person to ask. That's the point I was trying to get at as well, at what point could they be used, or as you said, it has already escalated past that. British Police where they don't carry guns and there isn't as much 'gun culture' or gun violent clashes with police, seem to use it as a deterrent. Totally different situation of course, I am just a little surprised that it isn't seen as more of a deterrent. So in your opinion should officers or all officers be given them? What _is_ the point then, in the training/carry ?
@DanielleSainteMarie
@DanielleSainteMarie Жыл бұрын
I have had four occasions where the baton works great. Never had a moment where the baton failed. You have to understand: a great martial artist can make any item work. It's not up to the 'weapon' itself. It's up to the person.
@xati5135
@xati5135 Жыл бұрын
so your a poet that needs to cary a self defense baton and have been in 4 situations where it worked as intended? what did someone not give you the right change and you beat them half to death and got it corrected?
@FernBlackwood1995
@FernBlackwood1995 Жыл бұрын
@@xati5135 What a weirdo you are. Women, feminine people and minorities get attacked all the time, whether you believe us or not. You’re probably the kind of person who’d pointlessly attack too. You did with your comment, after all.
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, four occasions where you either unlawfully assaulted someone with it, or used it as a drying rack.
@ThanksIhateyoutoo
@ThanksIhateyoutoo Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry that the internet is full of such shitty people. I would also like to hear, however the stories of what happened. The more we know the better informed we are and the better prepared we are.
@AJHart-eg1ys
@AJHart-eg1ys 10 ай бұрын
@@NoName-mi8js Nonsense. Drying clothing is what the Peleton is for!
@metrosidearm4728
@metrosidearm4728 4 жыл бұрын
My friend used one to protect herself from a guy who assaulted her. After she was pushed to the ground, she pulled it out & hit the guy across the knee, that gave her a chance to get away.
@HeisLeg3nd
@HeisLeg3nd 4 жыл бұрын
Metro Sidearm where’d she have it? Her purse or?
@franktaylor5464
@franktaylor5464 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like bullshit
@Handsomeguy-kj2jg
@Handsomeguy-kj2jg 4 жыл бұрын
Frank Taylor sounds easily possible tho, it gives the user a way to cause more damage to defend themselves better. Yes it can be taken away, so can a knife and gun albeit not as easily.
@ericsalidbar1693
@ericsalidbar1693 4 жыл бұрын
The reason we're calling bullshit is You need some good leverage to expand it. When you're wrestled on the ground is not easily opened. And we know from experience using this. And this is probably why op hasn't replied cause they know it's bullshit as most of us with a go-go-good brain call bullshit
@calebharris7568
@calebharris7568 4 жыл бұрын
@@ericsalidbar1693 they said pushed to the ground, not wrestled on the ground. If someone pushes you onto the ground and stands over you, I’m sure you could pull out a baton and whack someone on the knee with it.
@aceeonpoint9448
@aceeonpoint9448 4 жыл бұрын
Oh I thought he was going to say it’s not effective... Now I’m definitely buying one.
@destro25official77
@destro25official77 4 жыл бұрын
Where i can bye one
@MustLoveTrucks
@MustLoveTrucks 4 жыл бұрын
@@destro25official77 on his website.
@aceeonpoint9448
@aceeonpoint9448 4 жыл бұрын
@@destro25official77 there is this European website that sells the best quality ones. If you look up best quality batons on KZbin there should be a link in one of those videos.
@Indy.lam351
@Indy.lam351 4 жыл бұрын
I got One
@Indy.lam351
@Indy.lam351 4 жыл бұрын
DESTRO 25 Official eBay
@BIGWOOD3160
@BIGWOOD3160 5 жыл бұрын
LET ME TELL YOU having worked in prison for 30 yrs I've used pepper spray knee knockers side handle batons, this expandable baton has saved many officers from an inmate with a shank and OH YA I CARRY ONE DAILY. SO WHY ONLY 8 YRS
@danbeck6654
@danbeck6654 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. I've been a cop for 40+ years. Retired but still work special duty assignments. I started with a 23" wood baton. I loved it. The baton is not a "beat into submission" weapon. It is used in addition to other self defense strategies. Create distance, intimidation, holds and take-downs. On duty my last 20 years I carried an ASP 19" steel collapsible. Thank you Bigwood 360 for your service. (I have to ask, is "Bigwood" have some special meaning??)
@BIGWOOD3160
@BIGWOOD3160 4 жыл бұрын
@@danbeck6654 Retired Sgt, the white inmates were considered woods or peckerwoods, I was knick named BIG WOOD by the other races so it just stuck and I had no problem with it
@danbeck6654
@danbeck6654 4 жыл бұрын
I had to chuckle. I figured there was a story behind the name. Thanks again for your service.
@BIGWOOD3160
@BIGWOOD3160 4 жыл бұрын
@@danbeck6654 You to brother 👍👍
@ryans6309
@ryans6309 4 жыл бұрын
I retractable staff would be far more effective for self defensive and deescalation. Learn to be better than out dated shit traditions
@dinobravo1998
@dinobravo1998 Жыл бұрын
This guys a good example of experienced and educated people still not knowing what theyre talking about. Ive seen batons break BRICKS and my tiny 14 inch baton breaks apart tree trunks like theyre watermelon. These can kill with one hit to the head and will easily break bones. A very good defense tool indeed.
@zardoz3488
@zardoz3488 Жыл бұрын
Red circle: Useful. Yes, it can kill you if hits head or neck. Blue circle: Legal. Not so useful.
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
Ah, another dumbass that goes "Oh, why don't you just get hit by one, then?" LMAO. Not only did you complete fail to watch the video or understand it, you literally said the thing being called out.
@robertfaulkner2624
@robertfaulkner2624 Жыл бұрын
tell me you missed the whole point of a video, without telling me you missed the whole point of a video. Congratulations on being "That guy"
@enriquefuentes7697
@enriquefuentes7697 Жыл бұрын
But that’s exactly the point, it can definitely kill but if you’re a cop and in a deadly force encounter, you should go for your gun. The thing about being an LEO is that policy will dictate where and when you can hit with a baton. That’s usually it’s when a subject is assault is combative. And you can only hit primary and secondary zones. Primary being center mass or the meaty parts of the arms and legs; quads, hamstrings, calves, biceps, and triceps. Secondary being the bones parts of the arms and legs; knees, elbow, wrists, and shoulders but must be justified in the use of force spectrum. The head, neck, spine, groin and chest are completely off limits unless you’re involved in a deadly force encounter. But if an assaultive subject escalates to deadly force by pulling a knife or a gun out, you can’t rely on the baton to end the threat. You will most likely be going for your gun too. If the subject is assaultive, by following policy and only targeting the authorized primary locations, your strikes may be ineffective. If you strike secondary zones you will be more effective and possibly legal but risk hitting the red zones and using deadly force when it’s not needed and getting fired/arrested after the fact. If the baton is all you have, you are most likely in SOL. Now imagine the subject manages to grab it and take it from you and use it against you, since they are untrained and not subjected to rules, they will strike your head, neck, or ribs and put you into a deadly force encounter. In that case you better have a gun.
@armyvet7775
@armyvet7775 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@GiDD504
@GiDD504 5 жыл бұрын
Isn’t a self defense tool something to hurt the person?
@ColdNorth0628
@ColdNorth0628 5 жыл бұрын
Technically yes. Any tool is for self defense but everyone just ouright uses to smack people.
@mindsstalker
@mindsstalker 5 жыл бұрын
NO
@fulibiesagain6918
@fulibiesagain6918 5 жыл бұрын
What kind of self defense do you practice? The gentle kind?
@Argonnosi
@Argonnosi 5 жыл бұрын
@@mindsstalker If the tool isn't a shield or not being there, must be a weapon. If weapon, designed to hurt/kill people.
@thedon3836
@thedon3836 5 жыл бұрын
No, defence is the shields (or body armour for example) primary purpose to protect against incoming attacks. The sword or mace(in this case baton because let's face it baton and mace are just fancy words for fancy clubs) are for offence delivering damage to incapacitate or kill an enemy. Yes either or can be used for their oppisite intentions from which they were intended. but it's the primary purpose either was made for that should classify it as either a defencive tool or an offencive tool after all that is what it will be best at. Clubs, guns ,tazers swords, knifes, pepper spray these are all personal offence tool or "weapons". Understand Offence or the threat of it is also in its self a form of defence because it can discourage potential assailants from attempting to attack. And when attacked it may be nessasarry to meet the incoming attack and retaliate to it in order to insure your continuing personal safety which is what everyone is really talking about when they talk about "self defence" really it's a conversation about "personal safety" and what levels of "offencive measures" and "defence messures" are warranted to maintain it.
@MP-db9sw
@MP-db9sw 5 жыл бұрын
STOP BEATING UP YOUR FRIEND WITH THE BATON 😂
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
I busted him all up with it. Some of it got cut out haha.
@angryagain68
@angryagain68 5 жыл бұрын
It's fair. His bud got even with that cable whip.
@squid0013
@squid0013 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe he needed some suppression lol
@JohnSmith09123
@JohnSmith09123 4 жыл бұрын
@gregtubez so he was a standard patrol officer for 8 years and his experience is most likely the initial training and annual in service training, and nothing really further than that in regard to departmental training?
@trumpyourdaddy2277
@trumpyourdaddy2277 4 жыл бұрын
So it does work.
@erickruckenberg8716
@erickruckenberg8716 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry dude. Its the closest thing we have to feeling like a Jedi in a fight, and its force is strong.
@mikesmith5466
@mikesmith5466 5 жыл бұрын
Fuck ya party on
@p4n1k49
@p4n1k49 5 жыл бұрын
should make a pig skewer with it
@nealtunnell7615
@nealtunnell7615 5 жыл бұрын
I wish it has a tazer on the end so you could feel like a magnaguard
@enzor9923
@enzor9923 5 жыл бұрын
I TOUGHT THE SAME THING
@QuartzIsAnOxide
@QuartzIsAnOxide 5 жыл бұрын
Ya but it's to short to use the superior fighting style: Form 2, Makashi
@MultiEviscerator
@MultiEviscerator Жыл бұрын
An expandible baton is a great compact tool to have on a walk, stroll through the park or hike in the wilderness in case of an animal or dog attack. I rarely have used it, but the few times I have, it prevented aggressive dogs from being able to harm myself or loved ones.
@aaronclapp8047
@aaronclapp8047 2 жыл бұрын
Law enforcement "use of force" is a lot more complex than just "self-defense" alone...sometimes batons are an appropriate tool.
@levikay1745
@levikay1745 Жыл бұрын
Yeah sometimes you gotta assault civilians like the cunts you are.
@cleiand5868
@cleiand5868 Жыл бұрын
Filipono police and army are taught various locks(on legs, arms, etc) with sticks (which can be applied to baton).
@hachelyd_i3232
@hachelyd_i3232 Жыл бұрын
@@cleiand5868valid
@ytsn_THE_OG
@ytsn_THE_OG Жыл бұрын
They could actually prevent more deaths if they used them more
@jms972
@jms972 Жыл бұрын
This bald dwarf do not know what he is talking about, law enforcement in Europe always carry baton and use is pretty often, some can only carry batons so thats the only weapon i am allowed to use.
@KondorDCS
@KondorDCS 4 жыл бұрын
This is not a tool, this is a weapon....yeah, THAT'S WHY I'm carrying it.
@St.FighterZ
@St.FighterZ 4 жыл бұрын
This dudes weird. Batons are great weapons. It would be great for dog defence too instead of a walking stick or mace.
@KondorDCS
@KondorDCS 4 жыл бұрын
@@St.FighterZ It's good against dogs, but only use it against people if you are very proficient with it, otherwise if your opponent is even somewhat skilled in CQC, then if you swing the baton around then he is going to kick your ass. I found out that it's best to use a telescopic baton as a STABBING weapon, not as a swinging/impact weapon. It's tip is blunt so there is little chance of it causing severe injury that could lead to death, and trust me when I say it....IT fucking hurts like hell when you are stabbed in the stomach with it.
@zencreed6519
@zencreed6519 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah your right
@abdullahalmehedi5758
@abdullahalmehedi5758 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, What's the name of this tool. And from where i can buy this? Please tell me
@sergiotl7378
@sergiotl7378 4 жыл бұрын
@@abdullahalmehedi5758 They are illegal in some countries. Check out your local laws before trying to buy one.
@eddiehazard3340
@eddiehazard3340 3 жыл бұрын
Arguing with you: 1) One of the best ways to take someone out of the fight is blunt force trauma to the head. (Matt Thornton: Straight Blast Gym, possibly misquoted) 2) If a guy has a knife, a stick is a great way to keep the distance and knock it from his hands.. you don't need to be trained in Kali to do this..it's natural 3) Defending yourself with a stick is rather Milquetoast for a judge/Jury.. They see HORRIBLE things in court.. and a few bruises on an illegal attacker is sort of...meh..to a judge. 4) Context and cameras.. If you're lawful, it will show. 5) Better to survive and go to court, than to think "I wish I'd had anything in my hands at all) while you bleed out 6) Knives are nasty. Chains are the tools of criminals. (see 3 above) Thanks tho. We disagree. Wish you the best.
@3101home
@3101home 3 жыл бұрын
Chains ? Im a complete novice in a fight situation but I think a baton would be advantageous over a chain because of the quicker recovery reaction 2nd and 3rd striking ability. Chain having a longer reach than baton but longer reactive 2nd strike ability?
@TheUnchosenOne
@TheUnchosenOne 2 жыл бұрын
If someone comes at you with a knife fucking ventilate them lol what do you do when a friend, family member, or random drunk starts swingin at ya tho?
@denimnoir6163
@denimnoir6163 2 жыл бұрын
Blunt force trauma to the head is the quickest way to end up in jail for manslaughter. Seriously, look up the guys that accidentally killed people just by punching them once. You go for the elbows, thighs, shoulders and the like.
@SpaceEmperorGenos
@SpaceEmperorGenos 2 жыл бұрын
@@denimnoir6163 And in walks the teenager who thinks he knows better because he reads news articles. Gg.
@MindOverMood
@MindOverMood Жыл бұрын
Of course this’s coming from a normal sized dude. When you’re a 5”1 female and a big dude is squaring up… yeah I’m gonna do whatever I can to increase the damage I can do. It’s not a fair fight otherwise.
@FuelTheConqueror
@FuelTheConqueror 3 жыл бұрын
Batons don't work. *Swings lightly at partner* Partner: Backs away to avoid
@brandonkey181
@brandonkey181 3 жыл бұрын
I could swing a small tree branch at a guy and he'd flinch. It's this thing called a reflex.
@joshuasmith1215
@joshuasmith1215 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonkey181 yeah well the baton is easier to carry than the branch so...
@Zurtle1
@Zurtle1 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@GenesisXTRM
@GenesisXTRM 3 жыл бұрын
@@brandonkey181 Here's a question....WHY is it a reflex?
@brandonkey181
@brandonkey181 3 жыл бұрын
@@GenesisXTRM because fast moving objects are dangerous
@BEARMC27
@BEARMC27 5 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Hong Kong, the "Legal" circle and the "effective" circle overlaps perfectly.....
@jk7753
@jk7753 5 жыл бұрын
It appears like If its effective its legal over there
@artkingdesingz94
@artkingdesingz94 5 жыл бұрын
And in Russian
@trevor5468
@trevor5468 5 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Chan hk police cut up a girl and threw her in the bay
@yaludhgroup2018
@yaludhgroup2018 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t want things that are “legal” in Hong Kong to be legal in America. There is a cultural aspect as well Americans relationships with and feelings towards law enforcement is different from almost every in the world and the baton is most effective as psychological deterrent.
@trevor5468
@trevor5468 5 жыл бұрын
@GazB85 www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3033079/new-campus-security-camera-clips-released-showing-movements
@theconsigliere5769
@theconsigliere5769 4 жыл бұрын
"Its a weapon that you hurt people with" Thats the whole point of self defence, hurt the guy that wants to hurt you.
@theconsigliere5769
@theconsigliere5769 4 жыл бұрын
@Molly Bason when i said hurt the guy that wants to hurt you I meant stop him from hurting you. You can stop him by inflicting pain.
@TheTrueDoomSlayer
@TheTrueDoomSlayer 4 жыл бұрын
He doesn't understand that, he's rather think he's the end all be all on topics like this because he's a former cop. What a joke of an officer.
@TheTrueDoomSlayer
@TheTrueDoomSlayer 4 жыл бұрын
@Molly Bason no, self defense isn't "removing yourself from a dangerous situation" That's called fleeing. Self-defense is literally about winning a fight, are you incompetent?
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@Molly Bason if you avoid conflict then you don't need self defense. Self defense is the act of physically stopping the threat. Removing yourself from the situation is safer but it isn't always an option.
@TheTrueDoomSlayer
@TheTrueDoomSlayer 4 жыл бұрын
@Molly Bason you can't defend yourself from something that isn't attacking you. again fleeing and self-defense are two different things if you flee you don't have to defend If you defend that means you didn't flee or were unable to. Dude come on it's pretty simple any lawyer or officer or martial artist or MMA fighter or anyone that knows a hint about what self-defense actually is could tell you that
@spencerbrotherson9061
@spencerbrotherson9061 9 ай бұрын
I carried one of those as an MP in the early 2000's. The only time I had to use it was when I had a really drunk guy being belligerent and trying to take my sidearm out of my holster while I was trying to detain him. It was a retention holster, so the chances of a guy that inebriated actually getting the firearm free were pretty low, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. He got a fractured elbow. I honestly missed my mark... I was aiming for his upper arm, but he flinched when he saw it coming and pulled his arm up, so he got a trip to the hospital before he was taken to the base detention facility until his 1SG could come get him. I got recommended for an award for taking a guy off the road that was well past 2x the legal limit for drunk driving, and he got his arm in a sling for a while and a suspended license. For what it's worth, I warned him, and then I only swung once. I can see how these things could easily be overused in a stressful situation, but when used with restraint they can be really effective at stopping inappropriate behavior.
@forbro8301
@forbro8301 3 жыл бұрын
This video single-handedly sparked more sales in expandable batons than any other advertisement ever.
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 3 жыл бұрын
And hasn't yielded any evidence of the baton's usefulness...
@tangerinetech5300
@tangerinetech5300 3 жыл бұрын
@@hard2hurt theres literally stories in the comments at this point of people successfully defending themselves with a baton. Your a joke if you need some statistic to tell you large heavy weapon is good for defense and offense. Have you ever seen a fight. People like to pick up stuff and swing it at the person, and it usually pretty effective. Oh but excuse me oh great wise one only you can say if they work or not. Waste of human.
@OsirisMawn
@OsirisMawn 3 жыл бұрын
@@tangerinetech5300 saltminer42 has spoken
@jaymstergms3596
@jaymstergms3596 3 жыл бұрын
That's true on my account at least if anything this vid convinced me to buy one.......... Or is that what he wanted
@brendanforde5078
@brendanforde5078 3 жыл бұрын
@@tangerinetech5300 like me was a security guard for bars and had real street fights with gangs I have stories about effectively defending against guns, batons, knifes and glass bottles. Using boxing, Jeet kune do and wing chun techniques, karate techniques and jiu jitsu and especially krav maga techniques which actually uses alot of things from all of the above. This prat and his friend have proven nothing like I said in my own long comments to him he should get his friend to hit him full force or hit himself full force or hell he should pick a legit fight with an actual police officer armed with a baton see how effective it is in real combat when your actually been properly hit, or choked or jabbed in the eyes, neck with it. These fake KZbin fighters and mcdojos can talk all the shit they want until they are been literally smacked to death with it and the person's actually trying to hurt you. What made me laugh too was he was doing proper techniques or using to do grappels but the way he was doing them in an effective self defense way was completely off and clearly uneducated. He was not showing what you have to do once you have them in a choke lock or arm lock with it using it as leverage to push the arm down and takedown with then following that through with hits to face, stomach and head proper self defense you wanna do with a baton not do the shit he does it this crap video. Trying to say batons don't work is like saying a hook punch, finger jab to the throat or elbow strike to the face or kick to the shin or head or ribs or even arm lock and arm bar or bo staff or sword don't work absolute bullshit artist. Should stick to their little dojo sparing and point system competition fighting with their rules and legalized fighting with a ring and referee and crowds to cheer and boo them instead of making fake claims about weapons developed for self defense and has been used for decades by police and military. Stupid to even make such a claim. Especially when they are challenging people to call them out on it I did that and so many actual police officers, security guards, military and self defense martial artist have all throughout the comment section complete bull shitters. They should try underground bare knuckle like I've done it's barely any rules and it's illegal see if they last then, Soon learn which martial arts and which self defense techniques and weapons works then. Or go train to with military or police I had police and army cadets training with me in both my Jeet kune do and krav maga dojos because those are effective martial arts. all these MMA fighters forget Bruce Lee created the first MMA fighting style. Also karate, wing Chun, Kung Fu and alot of traditional martial arts are literally copied from to create their modern Martial arts.
@Harrier_DuBois
@Harrier_DuBois 4 жыл бұрын
If you look at historical weapons, almost every melee weapon is characterised as basically being a kin to a big stick; usually pointy at the end, but not always (maces, quarterstaffs). A stick can be used to deflect incoming strikes, much better than using your hands if defending against other melee weapons, and it also provides a reach advantage compared to fists. A baton seems a pretty reasonable extension of ones abilities, a power multiplier.
@crackerjackmattmilsim3052
@crackerjackmattmilsim3052 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same. Force multiplier. Plus it technically isn’t lethal compared to a gun. Is it as effective as a gun? No.
@skylark7921
@skylark7921 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The whole point of melee weapons is to enhance what you already have. Yeah, you can lock someone without a baton, if you know the technique. Add a baton and you’re now twice as capable of disabling the threat. If using a non lethal melee weapon doesn’t up your game, you’re shit at martial arts to begin with.
@santiagocortez9554
@santiagocortez9554 4 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I bought one
@skylark7921
@skylark7921 4 жыл бұрын
Brandon most common was probably a quarter staff, spear, or axe. Def spear was very common. Maces not so much since their greatest use was against full plate (typical fantasy knight armor), and a commoner wasn’t likely to come up against a warrior who could afford full plate. As for swords, well crafted ones, such as the Norse Ulfbert, were indeed very pricy, but I believe you could get a kind of shitty one for a decent price. Not everyone walked around with swords, but they were easily one of the most popular weapons for self defense - if you were going to be traveling or something, you might bring a sword with for protection.
@joesimon8479
@joesimon8479 4 жыл бұрын
If someone pulls a knife it can be used to attack the hand or arm.
@lordofallweebs5821
@lordofallweebs5821 4 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be honest, I thought you're actually supposed to use it that way. If someone attacked me, i would pull out a "defense tool" and beat them relentlessly until they either fell unconscious or gave up. I figure it's still better that stabbing them or something
@raymondmaglaris4149
@raymondmaglaris4149 4 жыл бұрын
I like push daggers for street fights , never had to use them but with certain types of push daggers it would be impossible to disarm you , and if youre up against 5 thugs , if you stick one or two the fights over
@michal_havlicek
@michal_havlicek 4 жыл бұрын
Agree. The most effective self defense is a couter-strike. Like what the hell am i supposed to do? Deflect punches until they give up?
@raymondmaglaris4149
@raymondmaglaris4149 4 жыл бұрын
@Coni Glione youre naive. Choosing to be unprepared is fine , but in real life people doe if theyre unprepared
@xaviergarcia7965
@xaviergarcia7965 4 жыл бұрын
Coni Glione Well, people attack other people all the time for no reason. You haven’t given a iota of evidence that it doesn’t happened, and I’ve personally seen it happen, so. 🤷‍♂️
@raymondmaglaris4149
@raymondmaglaris4149 4 жыл бұрын
@Coni Glione how about chicago , pretty much a warzone people die every night
@gamesthatmatter9374
@gamesthatmatter9374 Жыл бұрын
i used one against an pitbull ... he latched on my leg and hit him 2 times on the head . i cracked the pitbull skull and left it bleeding on the road his brains visible ... it saved my leg.
@CadillacDriver
@CadillacDriver 6 ай бұрын
Cap.
@thejanusproject32
@thejanusproject32 6 ай бұрын
uh huh
@brentambrose6804
@brentambrose6804 4 жыл бұрын
As a 32 year cop (20 on SWAT & as the department DT Instructor) I have to say that it's a training issue. A suspect can pose one of 5 levels and you can only use the baton on someone that is level #4. First level is Cooperative (no force is allowed at all) #2 is Passive Resistor #3 is Active Resistor #4 is Combative/Assaultive #5 is a Deadly Threat Next problem is that baton companies want you to use the baton on "Green" zones (which happen to be areas heavily muscled such as the "Buttocks") which cause pain but really dont stop a serious threat. Red zones such as the Head or Spine can cause serious injury or death should only be struck when the suspect poses a Deadly Threat (In which case you shouldn't be even trying to use your baton unless it's the only thing you have). I teach the baton as a Long Range Weapon, and should be used against the "Closest Target" which is usually the Suspects lead leg or fist. You smack his knee or hand and it almost ALWAYS works. But those are usually "Yellow" targets and can cause injury (broken bones in the hand etc). I've had to use the baton many times and it never failed me. I can say that several officers.have complained to me.thst the baton doesn't work and that they wont use it because it's ineffective. I then say "Oh Yeah? Let me hit you with one shot". No one has ever taken me up on it. Knowledge and skill is power.
@Sensorium19
@Sensorium19 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment was more informative than this guys whole video.
@psychological8730
@psychological8730 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that info. I have a suspicion that this youtubers police career was not in an urban area. And I dislike his mock "open-mindednes"
@RETOKSQUID
@RETOKSQUID 4 жыл бұрын
This ^^^^^^^
@BlackDoomsOpinion
@BlackDoomsOpinion 4 жыл бұрын
Wow...it's amazing what happens when someone uses there brain. Good thing you did.
@drinalco
@drinalco 4 жыл бұрын
spanking tactic noted.
@scottsaylors1996
@scottsaylors1996 3 жыл бұрын
Being a cop as well you should know the vast majority of baton uses are not actually as a weapon or self defense and more used in cases where breaking windows is necessary from a distance
@Kryptic_sx
@Kryptic_sx 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah baton is like a bandana it has multiple uses not just one use
@scottyi88
@scottyi88 2 жыл бұрын
what about riots?
@JenningsPutnamArt1991
@JenningsPutnamArt1991 2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@Texano5-0
@Texano5-0 4 жыл бұрын
I can kinda see your point but you say that most of the time it’s either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal. I’m gonna need more than a incorrectly illustrated ven diagram to come to that conclusion. Statistics tends to work more. I mean the ven diagram itself is bad because you’re using it to show amount when that’s not what the ven diagram is supposed to be used for. Anyway regardless if you agree with me or not, I think I speak for a good amount of viewers when I say you haven’t convinced anyone about anything
@bodyno3158
@bodyno3158 3 жыл бұрын
If something is "either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal", then the law probably is the problem.
@free00to00ryhme
@free00to00ryhme 10 ай бұрын
Batons can be a legal mess. Especially if you have a liberal jury and/or judge. Its still a less than lethal option and with training can be utilized properly. A hard hit to the thigh can end a fight. Similarly, boxing techniques can also be seen as agressive/offensive. Hitting someones hand with a baton will certainly be viewwd as more defense than squaring up with a guy. None the less, we can all agree that our judicial branch is a joke. Self defense is self defense regardless of the tools or tactics used. Imo, though not legally sound, if someone attacks you, you have full right and obligation to do anything and everything to end the threat. Period.
@IronMongoose1
@IronMongoose1 5 жыл бұрын
"You're not going to use this to joint lock a person you weren't going to be able to joint lock without it." Give this man the Correct Award.
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
I think that is an important point that people cant really grasp usually when it comes to this stuff.
@drewcasper4608
@drewcasper4608 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is wrong, I've personally seen it done many times, it just has to be performed right
@springbloom5940
@springbloom5940 5 жыл бұрын
Give this man the bullshit award.
@drewcasper4608
@drewcasper4608 5 жыл бұрын
@bfk4lif yes many times, my dad's a baton instructor for the police department he works for and I've watched many classes
@drewcasper4608
@drewcasper4608 5 жыл бұрын
@bfk4lif I don't have any videos of him on duty but I think he teaches a class not this Thursday but next Thursday I can probably video some of the sparring footage
@TotalSmashTV
@TotalSmashTV 2 жыл бұрын
The dude's initial statement literally explained why it is a self defense weapon. LOL
@thejanusproject32
@thejanusproject32 6 ай бұрын
Was thinking the same thing. Baffling video
@loose4bet
@loose4bet 3 жыл бұрын
In my country firearms are banned. This gives me reach advantage, multiply the force and most of all has a deterring effect in 9 out of 10 confrontations. I live in high poverty and high crime city. It's not uncommon for a group of teenage thugs to gang up, hunt on random people and beat them to a pulp. I feel much safer with this tool. Never had to actually use it, just deploying it was enough. I'm willing to use it if it saves me from stomps to the head on the ground which I personally witnessed a couple of times.
@HagakureJunkie
@HagakureJunkie 2 жыл бұрын
Wait....so you're saying that crime and murder are still around with guns being banned? Please go to washington and tell your story!
@hayosh9309
@hayosh9309 2 жыл бұрын
@@HagakureJunkie nobody argues that the ban of guns means no crimes will be committed lol
@paultav556
@paultav556 2 жыл бұрын
in my country firearms are banned. in my country batons are also banned. do you think violent crime has stopped?
@NHX610
@NHX610 8 ай бұрын
Retired cop here..I carried several different kinds of collapsible batons for 27 years..the only time I ever used them was in my patrol car to reach over and adjust the air vents on the passenger side.
@minhcontant8944
@minhcontant8944 4 жыл бұрын
I am convinced that this man is unable to speak without hitting or kicking the other guy in the chest every 5 seconds
@jessevillanueva2060
@jessevillanueva2060 4 жыл бұрын
Yup that’s how I was when I was 16 and I’d use my friends for practice. This guy needs more humility he thinks he’s the shit!
@JefferyHallett
@JefferyHallett 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's really hard to even listen to his spiel, let alone take him seriously, when he's constantly flying around like a kid on too much sugar.
@JohnDoe-ce8hy
@JohnDoe-ce8hy 4 жыл бұрын
Anything you can use to fend off an attacker is a self defense tool.
@veksone77
@veksone77 4 жыл бұрын
What about when they're not attacking?
@animefreak122ist8
@animefreak122ist8 4 жыл бұрын
The Hessian he literally says the exact words, this is not an effective self defense tool
@chikenmorris7170
@chikenmorris7170 4 жыл бұрын
Oh ok, with that logic a grenade is a self defence tool then yeah, it’ll certainly stop someone from attacking you
@catlover1986
@catlover1986 4 жыл бұрын
@@chikenmorris7170 I spent years in armed security. The Baton acted between my pepper spray and pistol. By the time you reach for a baton, your only other option is putting a .40 JHP in someone's face. I'd prefer to have that option. The Baton is good for creating distance between you and an attacker. It's a reliable way to take someone down, without executing them, in close quarters. I don't know about police work, but it's great for security. Whereas a firearm is "deadly force", a baton is only "deadly force" if used on the head, face or neck. Anywhere else and it's much easier to justify.
@Valscorn01
@Valscorn01 4 жыл бұрын
The difference here is that for police as an example, they aren't trying to fend them off....... they are trying to subdue the suspect (and usually) arrest them.
@alainchiaroni5149
@alainchiaroni5149 4 жыл бұрын
If you are attacked by a guy who has a knife, THE BATON MAY PROBABLY save your life. Don’t be stupid...
@bohemondiofantioch539
@bohemondiofantioch539 4 жыл бұрын
That's what guns are for.
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@@jth_printed_designs what happens is you discover just how stupid you are as a citizen for being somewhere where the government does it's best to keep its Citizens from being able to defend themselves.
@reepat9820
@reepat9820 4 жыл бұрын
@@theteddy1487 wtf is this reply
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@@reepat9820 he asked what happened if you're somewhere that massively restricts your second amendment rights implying a situation where you can't have a gun or legally use it effectively. By living somewhere with a high crime rate and laws that prevent the average person from being able to properly defend themselves you screw yourself over.
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@@reepat9820 pretty self explanatory
@SigningSheriff
@SigningSheriff 3 ай бұрын
As someone who has carried nearly every form of self-defense tool, item, or weapon at one time or other, I can say with 100% confidence that it doesn’t matter what you have as long as you train with it. I’ve known people that have trained their hand-to-hand combat skills to the point that they needed no tool. Then I’ve met some who were so good with a knife, I’d give them that every time. But some people don’t work well with confronting their attacker. Pepper spray it gel. Some people don’t want to draw blood but want to be protected. BATON. Or maybe flashlight, depending on the time. Self-defense depends completely on the user. And to tell people that something isn’t a self-defense tool. Absolutely not. The self-defense tool is your brain and your determination. What you use to back that up is your choice.
@supersentaiguy
@supersentaiguy 4 жыл бұрын
If someone comes at me I’ll use whatever I need to in order to defend myself.
@jerrymartin7019
@jerrymartin7019 4 жыл бұрын
@Coni Glione Truly you are a master wordsmith. Your intellectualism is an inspiration to us all.
@HairyBalls2896
@HairyBalls2896 4 жыл бұрын
@Coni Glione don't challenge people boi. Even normal people can become violent and all defensive if they feel like their life is in threat.
@oddish4352
@oddish4352 4 жыл бұрын
It's better than bare hands, certainly. My question is, is there a better alternative. This guy hasn't presented one, not in this video anyway.
@Vincent-xy5eg
@Vincent-xy5eg 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah japaneses know that
@1percentmilk675
@1percentmilk675 4 жыл бұрын
And go to jail dumbass
@scoti6263
@scoti6263 5 жыл бұрын
Batons are more than just a self defense weapon, it’s a tool to smash windows and etc.
@MrNycbrat
@MrNycbrat 3 жыл бұрын
Cool, I’m ordering one now.
@cjanquart
@cjanquart 3 жыл бұрын
Don't get an ASP, get a Bonowi.
@elontusk9898
@elontusk9898 3 жыл бұрын
How is it? Hope you haven't had to use it yet.
@darrylatkins5049
@darrylatkins5049 Жыл бұрын
"A threat doesn't stop being a threat until it had been completely stopped" If somebody attacks you with anything, even hands and fists, there is a chance they will kill you. Too much of a chance to take. You shouldn't be concerned with what occurs to someone who is trying to take your life
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
Wow, an anime quote, followed up with a misunderstanding of the law. As much as I like the idea of just killing everyone that takes a swing at you, that is in fact, not allowed. Reasonable force.
@l0sts0ul89
@l0sts0ul89 9 ай бұрын
@@NoName-mi8js What anime? if you could name it id love to watch it also... reasonable force doesn't matter when your life is at risk, how are you gonna say a baton is bad but in the US guns are allowed in most states
@echol8087
@echol8087 6 ай бұрын
@@l0sts0ul89 But it does matter, legally. A lot of states have a escalation of force law. If someone raises fists, immediately going for a knife, a baton, or a gun, and using them, can land you in prison, especially if the person dies. I know a lot of people will say, "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" and consider that reasonable force in any circumstance, but it doesn't work that way. I had a friend who tried to STOP a fist fight between two other guys get sucker punched by one of the guys friends, hit his head on the concrete, and now he has trouble talking and thinking clearly. So I understand, personally, the want to NOT let that happen to me and the WANT to draw on someone in a fist fight. But the law doesn't see it that way.
@GoKenIchiGo
@GoKenIchiGo 2 жыл бұрын
Your sparring partner has the patience of a saint putting up with you waving that thing in his face and no-look swinging it at him.
@Billkwando
@Billkwando Жыл бұрын
Yeah he might as well be rubbing his balls on the guy's face as far as the message it sends.
@TheWanDoctor
@TheWanDoctor Жыл бұрын
Ya I've seen other videos with this guy and he is such a tool. He also looks pretty weak/flabby for a martial artist..
@richard7199
@richard7199 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, you’re right. We need to give criminals in close-quarters combat a fighting chance after all.
@Jaimzz
@Jaimzz 4 жыл бұрын
They're not just used on criminals tho 👁👄👁
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jaimzz neither are knives, guns, bats, pipes, vehicles or any other potentially dangerous implement. That doesn't invalidate it as a self defense tool.
@ryanspencer4068
@ryanspencer4068 4 жыл бұрын
The Teddy police shouldn’t carry any lethal object. They have a constant history of misusing them
@flawless_Cowboy
@flawless_Cowboy 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanspencer4068 you're goofy as hell for this comment. 🤡
@theteddy1487
@theteddy1487 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanspencer4068 some do, many don't. The problem isn't the police using weapons it's the lack of consequences when they misuse them. I personally believe depriving police of lethal force is the wrong way to go. Charge the ones that misuse that force and misuse will drop overnight.
@darkfangulas
@darkfangulas 5 жыл бұрын
“And I will demonstrate why” zooms into a baby
@aki6704
@aki6704 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@sureokk
@sureokk 4 жыл бұрын
@Darth Malgus toll paid
@o0XS
@o0XS 4 жыл бұрын
Never Forget I Am The Fastest Man Alive!
@drdoom5516
@drdoom5516 4 жыл бұрын
@@o0XS And I am the most powerful beeing in this universe!
@asura8495
@asura8495 4 жыл бұрын
@@drdoom5516 and I am the most angry being in existance
@JohnWilson-rl8tr
@JohnWilson-rl8tr 3 ай бұрын
He's looking at it with a cop's eyes. In USA, the best targets for a baton strike would also be considered deadly force--targeting the head, neck, spine, and groin. So, if you need deadly force, just carry a gun. I get the instructor's point. I get others' points. Maybe you can't carry a gun legally in your area. However, most places that ban guns, also ban batons. In over 20 years in law enforcement, I don't recall ever using my baton. I didn't need it. I carried a big mag lite. It was used often.
@cjzanders5430
@cjzanders5430 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the video: “Why guns are ineffective for self defense.” 😅
@erubadhron7270
@erubadhron7270 3 жыл бұрын
I must be misunderstanding something here about why being able to defend yourself is a bad thing. Someone attacks you, you don't want to be hurt = defend your self. That's where it ends doesn't it? Is everyone supposed to know how to defend themselves with their hands alone, what if an attacker has a knife? It's all about what-ifs at the end of the day and I'd like to minimise my chances of getting hurt if someone wanted to attack me and I don't believe people should be judged by which means they manage to do it.
@RocketVet
@RocketVet 3 жыл бұрын
Probably in there somewhere. Got suggested several of this guys videos in a row by the algorithm and all of them have been garbage.
@combatsportlover6919
@combatsportlover6919 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendanforde5078 You said he should start a fight with a police officer. He was a police officer.
@neroricci8053
@neroricci8053 3 жыл бұрын
@@combatsportlover6919 congratulations you have reached the bottom of the barrel
@combatsportlover6919
@combatsportlover6919 3 жыл бұрын
@@neroricci8053 By pointing out a fact.
@Semi-Orphanatic
@Semi-Orphanatic 5 жыл бұрын
1:16 “never seen the baton work as intended” cuts to a small child 😂😂😂
@TheClinchMagazine
@TheClinchMagazine 5 жыл бұрын
😬
@lycossurfer8851
@lycossurfer8851 5 жыл бұрын
I was expecting the kid to jump up and start going midevil on a teddy bear with one
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
@ I once picked up a headboard from a bed and used it to stop a guy from beating my partner with a metal spatula. That doesn't mean it would be smart to start carring around furniture.
@AzureScintillae
@AzureScintillae 5 жыл бұрын
These batons work on a situation that is to protect yourself from a knife assault, guns can work in that situation but can possibly hit someone else in the crossfire. But of course weapons are weapons, in some hands it would go fatally injure or kill someone like what he stated. That is how weapons are though, a way to get an advantage on a fight and consequences will always exist. Weapons like that can be restricted on some ranks or places where irrational and low iq people tend to do violence like the guy he exampled. It is debatable though, I’m not straight up cancel culture him or even you. Just hearing rational opinions out and sharing my opinions about this topic.
@cwheels01
@cwheels01 5 жыл бұрын
@@hard2hurt Of course not, headboards are far too large to be practical for EDC. A baton, on the other hand...
@DickinsonLivingInDickinsonNort
@DickinsonLivingInDickinsonNort 5 жыл бұрын
Anything that keeps oneself from being harmed, even at the expense of the attacker getting hurt, is a defensive weapon.
@AJHart-eg1ys
@AJHart-eg1ys 5 жыл бұрын
To quote Greta, "How DARE you!?"
@hornyducks4090
@hornyducks4090 5 жыл бұрын
@Fat kid from Up and that's a problem? Police carry tasers and guns if you didn't know that
@w8fomey0
@w8fomey0 5 жыл бұрын
*ahem* 5:57
@hornyducks4090
@hornyducks4090 5 жыл бұрын
@Fat kid from Up what the fuck are you talking about? The guy in the video said it was bad, and anybody who doesn't think it's a weapon is an idiot. My point was that it's a weapon, and in being a weapon isn't a problem. And it's funny you just assumed I'm liberal lol. I carry a 1911 everyday, have an AR15, an SKS, and a Remington 870 about 5 feet away. So please shut the fuck up and think before you type. Who's the one telling themselves stupid shit now?
@vaclavfiala3947
@vaclavfiala3947 5 жыл бұрын
so firearms can be counted as defensive weapons if you won't use them for killing but for injuring so you can run away from the attacker
@jannaseloff2586
@jannaseloff2586 Жыл бұрын
My dad and his 2 brothers are police officers and they carry that baton and they were never in the wrong when using it
@JulianCavett
@JulianCavett 5 жыл бұрын
An expandable baton saved my life once when I was being robbed and they assaulted me in a car... I was able to get out of the car and defend myself. I highly recommend them... Actually looking into that metal cable whip.
@sopwithcamelus
@sopwithcamelus 5 жыл бұрын
I can show you lots of videos that show firearms not working as intended. So I suppose you're going to say they aren't legitimate for self defense? Look man, just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work...
@sopwithcamelus
@sopwithcamelus 5 жыл бұрын
@Late to the Game I know. I agree with you. I'm addressing Hard 2 Hurt.
@AzureScintillae
@AzureScintillae 5 жыл бұрын
@Julian Cavett Whips are hard to master and easy to counter when you have a baton, but anyways your choice.
@AzureScintillae
@AzureScintillae 5 жыл бұрын
@Late to the Game Hmm well you do have a point there since short whips are faster than the others and being it bit stiff can do a lot of damage.
@cwheels01
@cwheels01 5 жыл бұрын
A baton is one thing but those whips are a horrible idea.
@azuldefiler674
@azuldefiler674 5 жыл бұрын
The baton is used when you are trying to avoid lethal force on an assaultive individual
@Weash004
@Weash004 5 жыл бұрын
These kinda batoms are pretty lethal tho
@joonas8848
@joonas8848 5 жыл бұрын
In finland security guards can only carry these kinda batons, pepper spray and scuffs and some more little stuff but only like 1% can even carry gun so this is mostly their most lethal equipment
@jimlowe5433
@jimlowe5433 5 жыл бұрын
Anything, no matter what it is if not properly trained and used, will fail. Human beings fail.
@billrhoasts5456
@billrhoasts5456 5 жыл бұрын
@sophisticated B Police don't even know how to "get hands on". I've seen footage of cops getting easily overpowered by assailants in physical confrontations and it's pathetic to watch. The fact is that the training budget can not cover much of the training in intense and effective hand to hand techniques that are necessary and that cops should be taught. I even heard that the Gracie family has offered free training to certain police departments in order to assist with this lack of available hand to hand training.
@jonnybgoode7742
@jonnybgoode7742 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone fart wafting in this thread as if cops have any idea of what a person has at all times. Cops dont go hands on because they're smarter than you. No telling if the person has a knife, gun, blunt weapon, or whatever. Morons always point fingers because we learn what the suspect had or didnt AFTER the fact. Fuckin dip shits
@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527
@bca-biciclindcuaxel7527 5 жыл бұрын
Man, Upgrade that Baton with a chain and Metal Ball with Spikes and 100% everyone will comply with your ''Authoritah ! '' :)))
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 5 жыл бұрын
That's badass.
@AstralS7orm
@AstralS7orm 5 жыл бұрын
Skip the chain. A spiked mace is pretty deadly all right, chain just makes it hard to handle.
@MrOiram46
@MrOiram46 5 жыл бұрын
Then set the metal spike ball on fire
@xSchwifty
@xSchwifty 5 жыл бұрын
"Authoritah" cartman lmaoo
@Dalonghair
@Dalonghair 5 жыл бұрын
BcA - Biciclind cu Axel Morning star*
@Engineerboy100
@Engineerboy100 Жыл бұрын
I was considering carrying a baton on my walks for Coyotes no people. What are your thoughts on this if one comes too close? Thanks for your comments in advance.
@picashlio3361
@picashlio3361 Жыл бұрын
I use mine for aggressive dogs. It works great.
@amiserra2763
@amiserra2763 5 ай бұрын
Bear spray
@MysteriousWeasel
@MysteriousWeasel 4 жыл бұрын
I'm having a hard time figuring out what you are actually trying to say in this video
@oscarlamonte3148
@oscarlamonte3148 3 жыл бұрын
Me 2!! I carry my ASP 21 everyday!!
@idol_stomper
@idol_stomper 3 жыл бұрын
Same, I think he's low key trying to sell batons.
@zvuho
@zvuho 3 жыл бұрын
@itsjoendx gun nuts dont understand self defense, what do you not get? USA has the most guns per habitants but usualy are used in accidental or mass shootings. Carrying a condom wont protect your virginity
@jasonkelley9072
@jasonkelley9072 3 жыл бұрын
@@zvuho there are a quarter of a million self defense incidences with guns every year and only about 20,000 murders or something
@marcosruiz7364
@marcosruiz7364 3 жыл бұрын
@@zvuho all American guns are usually used in accidental or mass shooting? 😂😂😂 you and your made up stats
@jimtailor1269
@jimtailor1269 2 жыл бұрын
I still say he's confused as to what exactly a" self-defense tool" is. It's literally anything to defend yourself. Anything can be deadly in the right hands.
@friendswithbenedicts9753
@friendswithbenedicts9753 2 жыл бұрын
yeah this guy has a hard on for using torches as a self defense tool but they function in the same way
@BygoneT
@BygoneT 2 жыл бұрын
You are going at this from a common sense standpoint, but the law doesn't work like that. Intent for something to be a weapon, such as a combat knife, is what qualifies as something that is bannable even as a self defense weapon. Kitchen knives are also banned from travel because while the intended purpose is for preparing ingredients, the ease with which they become a weapon for killing and their lethality makes them a real threat. Depends on the country if the argument I just made goes. Some countries are icky even about stuff like pepper spray, or self defense in general. To the point in places like Italy if you beat up a burglar coming into your house, or even worse, shoot them, you'll go to jail.
@soysauce4087
@soysauce4087 2 жыл бұрын
@@friendswithbenedicts9753 I can beat the shit out of people using a 6D maglite. But it’s safe knowing that it’s not a weapon.
@TheGreenTaco999
@TheGreenTaco999 Жыл бұрын
@@BygoneT the point of self defense is to survive m8. something being illegal doesn't make it cease to exist especially in the theoretical sense. Self-defense being illegal doesn't make it non Self-defense
@toxicrayz
@toxicrayz 5 жыл бұрын
"And I've never seen the baton... work as intended..." Me: Hmm really? *Video cuts to a small child sitting against the wall* Me: oh dear....
@codesimpson6010
@codesimpson6010 4 жыл бұрын
*DESTROY THE CHILD*
@radioactiveassassin5218
@radioactiveassassin5218 4 жыл бұрын
Anakin Skywalker wants to know your location
@sadboinlh1586
@sadboinlh1586 5 ай бұрын
This is your logic: There is a wide demographic of people who are unable/incompetent to use hand to hand combat to defend themselves. Therefore those people should either choose to take/end the life of that who is an imminent threat or allow themselves to be violated and abused due to their incompetence. Meanwhile you’re waving and swinging the baton around as if it were a toy showing absolute no respect for weapon even as to accidentally hitting that guy on his teeth all while expressing that people that are willing to use a weapon for self defense should be arrested and committed as criminals with felony charges… Hmm…
@Trails_Ales_and_Sigma_Males
@Trails_Ales_and_Sigma_Males 3 жыл бұрын
@hard2hurt You put out some good content, but disagree heavily with you here. I'm an officer in the UK and other than our authorised firearms officers, the only self defence tools we carry are a baton, pepper spray, our body, our voice and our mind. Some officers carry taser, but I've seen tasers fail multiple times so I do not rely on my taser-trained colleagues to save my skin. Most of the time, I will use my communication skills and situational awareness to control a subject; failing that, my next step is utilising my training in wrestling and BJJ to control a subject. But when subjects are a lot bigger than me and throwing dangerous strikes at me, or even pull a knife/weapon on me (which is really common in the UK), you'd best believe I'm drawing my spray and my baton- because I want to go home alive at the end of the day, and those 2 things level the playing field. Because it's all about proportionate and lawful escalation of force! Most of your argument is more centred around officers not being effective and/or lawful with their use of the baton, but that is not an argument to strip me of a tool that's saved my life on a couple of occasions; it is simply an argument for those officers to get better training, despite your resentment of that notion. I've seen the videos you're talking about where officers are failing to get a non-combative subject under control and resorting to their batons, and it is wrong- but don't tar us all with the same brush. I have only ever drawn my baton when I knew that my life was in danger (apart from once or twice where I've drawn it to force entry to a property), so you're right in the sense that its use should be few and far between; but that does not mean we shouldn't carry it. You could make the exact same argument about officers use of firearms, but you seem fine with those?
@mjmj8938
@mjmj8938 4 жыл бұрын
I watched a 5'2" female Deputy in California take down a 6'5" guy with a baton. It serves a purpose
@hard2hurt
@hard2hurt 4 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah ok.
@keatonward7713
@keatonward7713 4 жыл бұрын
@@hard2hurt I've seen it too lol. You may have a point but if they were such bs then Idk why every police dept in the country uses them
@MrHell26
@MrHell26 4 жыл бұрын
Not just the country. Just about every country in the world uses a form of a baton. Having a baton is an added step before the use of a firearm among other tools and skills. Taking the baton away removes a step and could potentially have undesired results, not to mention officers who end up having to deal with larger opponents or out numbered. Is it perfect? No, but that is what training and the other tools and skills are for, to help balance out the baton's weaknesses. Also hard2hurt, you come off as overly arrogant and pretentious. The mocking attitude does not serve to aid your point of view nor sell it.
@it3897
@it3897 4 жыл бұрын
VOTE OUT RUSSIA don’t lie that’s such bull shit mate..
@us2runknown542
@us2runknown542 4 жыл бұрын
2 things 1 Height Does not matter 2 gender does not matter either.
@ThaGrassyNoll814
@ThaGrassyNoll814 2 жыл бұрын
I like a hearing other people’s opinions. My opinion is I work in a bar in a bad area and my baton has saved me a few times. Highly effective tool. I’m definitely not looking to do any fancy moves lol arms and legs fold like paper easy enough.
@NoName-mi8js
@NoName-mi8js Жыл бұрын
So... unlawful assault?
@TitleDotJpeg
@TitleDotJpeg Жыл бұрын
⁠@@NoName-mi8jsso defending themselves life and belongings is unlawful assault
@DDDYLN
@DDDYLN 10 ай бұрын
​​@@NoName-mi8jsWTF are you talking about. You're a bot agitator.
@BooDamnHoo
@BooDamnHoo Жыл бұрын
Uh, i don't want them banned. I own one and won't give it up anymore than i would any of my firearms. The right to keep and bear ARMS applies to ALL bearable arms. Including guns, knives, swords, maces, batons, shillelaghs, body armor, etc. Maybe ban POLICE from carrying them but that's it.
@Breakbeat90s
@Breakbeat90s 10 ай бұрын
based
@conradbarrett6
@conradbarrett6 5 жыл бұрын
Correctional officers carry these.. we certainly need these for self defense in the prison
@AJHart-eg1ys
@AJHart-eg1ys 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. According to the logic in this video, If a tool is ever used improperly, that means it can never be used properly. Yyeeeah.
@conradbarrett6
@conradbarrett6 5 жыл бұрын
Tell that to a correctional officer being attacked by 3 dudes
@danielthompson6207
@danielthompson6207 5 жыл бұрын
We don't even get batons where I work, we're only allowed a can of level 3 OC spray and that shit only works about half of the time. The only time we can carry a baton is if we're doing transport, and then it is carried alongside a pistol.
@conradbarrett6
@conradbarrett6 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel Thompson not wise, need to be protected in the event of a riot
@sopwithcamelus
@sopwithcamelus 5 жыл бұрын
@@danielthompson6207 I know how you feel...
@quabledistocficklepo3597
@quabledistocficklepo3597 5 жыл бұрын
He was totally unsuccessful in proving that batons don't work. His argument was simply that he doesn't think they work.
@the_part_time_geek
@the_part_time_geek 5 жыл бұрын
He didn't say they didn't work. He said that the overlap between effectiveness and legality was extremely thin. To make them effective, you tend to head over into brutality territory, because you have to inflict so MUCH damage in order to get the victim to comply. I mean... is it better than nothing? Yea, absolutely. But unless you're so much more skilled than the average LEO who's deploying one, chances are by the time you're done "defending," yourself, you're going to be facing serious criminal charges and civil lawsuits.
@the_part_time_geek
@the_part_time_geek 5 жыл бұрын
@Pierre LeDouche Yea... Rodney King happened in 1992, about the time I went to Basic training. I'm kinda familiar with it. And you're absolutely correct, they were not using correct baton techniques. In order to successfully "subdue" an opponent with a baton.. you kinda HAVE to beat the ever loving fuck out of them, and act which usually goes beyond the limits of "proper use of force." If the opponent is on some sort of substance, be it drugs or alcohol, you generally have to cause structural damage in order to get a subdual to work. Are their supremely skilled stick fighters out there who can get the job done WITHOUT brutalizing the opponent? Sure.. but despite your assertions, fighters of that caliber are few and far between.. as evidenced by the sheer number of stories where an officer had to resort to excessive force with a baton. Again... is it better than nothing? Sure. But I think I'd prefer it to be my last ditch effort, and instead rely on OC or a taser as my first line of defense. And no offense man... but brevity??????
@AJHart-eg1ys
@AJHart-eg1ys 5 жыл бұрын
@@the_part_time_geek The argument seems to be that because something can be misused, it can't be used properly. The logic just isn't there.
@the_part_time_geek
@the_part_time_geek 5 жыл бұрын
@@AJHart-eg1ys The problem lies in the fact that it is misused FAR more often than it's used correctly. If course batons can be used correctly. I've said it, Mike said it. But the misuse is much more prevailant.
@AJHart-eg1ys
@AJHart-eg1ys 5 жыл бұрын
@@the_part_time_geek That may be true. But it in no way counters the argument that a baton is a self-defense weapon. It just provides a separate argument that batons are more often than not misused.
@TheHappyKamper
@TheHappyKamper 4 жыл бұрын
The way you keep pretending to hit your mate made me lose any interest in listening to anything you had to say.
@mikedrury7217
@mikedrury7217 4 жыл бұрын
Likewise, douchebag springs to mind.
@ministryoflies1344
@ministryoflies1344 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah...glad I'm not the only one here who thinks this. Typical ex copper egotistic bully
@Motofiend10k
@Motofiend10k 4 жыл бұрын
@Andre McGoo i guess you like having your friends or coworkers physically flexing on you every moment you try to relax. great way to have no real friends.
@RadioactiveSince1990x
@RadioactiveSince1990x 4 жыл бұрын
FR, even when the other guy was trying to talk this dude could not stop. Something def off with him
@MrScar665
@MrScar665 4 жыл бұрын
Huge douchebag vibes
@terriblepeople
@terriblepeople 7 ай бұрын
man pulls knife. you pull baton. you defend your self with baton. baton works.
@DarthDustyBuns
@DarthDustyBuns 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like this guy shows how in spite of experience and knowledge, some people don’t know what they’re talking about.
@mofogie
@mofogie 2 жыл бұрын
His channel is largely clickbait. He doesn't post many useful videos
@thisguy6278
@thisguy6278 2 жыл бұрын
​@@mofogie😆😆
@thisguy6278
@thisguy6278 2 жыл бұрын
I think, I think I'll keep my opinions to myself actually hahahaha. I mean, he thinks tweakers feel no pain.....
@NizeDota
@NizeDota 3 жыл бұрын
This dude is having way too much fun whipping that baton at his friend over there
@redderm
@redderm 3 жыл бұрын
Right?! Hes always bullying him lol!
@Buttjournalist
@Buttjournalist 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's a douche
@prime3106
@prime3106 3 жыл бұрын
Whilst saying, "it's not effective".
@jeremylesher6599
@jeremylesher6599 3 жыл бұрын
not to mention he doesn't even know how to hold it correctly
@Petaurista13
@Petaurista13 3 жыл бұрын
„It’s not sd tool it’s dangerous weapon, I would swing it around like braindead”
@phurt89
@phurt89 4 жыл бұрын
The crack of the baton when expanding it open is a use of force, it actually scares people.
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