Let's talk about the Mike Bickle IHOPKC Story

[@bealivingmiracle]

Great points: "We have some real intense marketing going on from IHOPKC trying to paint themselves out as victims and trying to shift the blame onto survivors of abuse, rather than on them as a local church for failing...to hold him accountable in years past."

[@Tendervittle]

Their crisis consultant gives of dark Vader vibes - soulless

[@bealivingmiracle]

@@Tendervittle Great observation: soulless... That persona might work in the world but not with discerning Christians

[@Tendervittle]

@@bealivingmiracle over half the congregation was laughing at his joke/they gave him a standing ovation 🤢🤮 this church has had blinders on from the beginning.. that is what make me mad-fantasy land

[@markslivka3806]

So typical of evangelical brain washing with there Suttle projecting

[@worshipingtheone]

NOT completely separate. I was there as an intern for three months this year. He was in the Global Prayer Room most days, 6:00am-6:00pm. He taught the IHOP community on Friday nights most weeks (these are mandatory services for those involved in the prayer ministry and who can’t always attend Sunday mornings-they shut down the Global Prayer Room to the public in order to facilitate attendance to those services). Not on the “payroll” perhaps, not holding an executive title, maybe, but he is the driving force of the prayer movement, the university, and the church. The whole place overflows with his books and teachings. “Completely separate” is dishonest.

[@DebraCossu]

I joined staff June 2002 and turned in my resignation this month because of this coverup by leadership….but the 100’s who join staff to come pray, have to raise their own support from friends who know them. I do not get any funds from the base….

[@Psalm91-1]

The roots of IHOP go back to Bob Jones and Paul Cain. IHOP is a cult, plain and simple. Mike Bickles vain imaginations, and wicked doctrine are IHOP. They are inseparable

[@dolly7639]

Please please repost this important comment to Julie Roys and Joel Richardson and John Elving!!! No one knows this information and it changes everything!!

[@Wendi4Prison2024]

@@dolly7639this is common knowledge about IHOP, Dolly.

[@suechapel1443]

International House of Gaslighting 😮

[@happy777abc]

IHOG

[@zhuangcorp]

Even though you are new to this ongoing saga, you did a great job. You caught onto all the lies coming out of the ihopkc camp.

[@user-ww5uv6uh7h]

Thank you for breaking this down…really well done. FYI, Mike Bickle is the founder of IHOPKC. This is an international ministry and Mike is internationally known minister. The third party they hired has had a least three cases where they have gotten the church off the hook from sexual abuse…why would a victim want to talk with them?

[@DebraCossu]

Internal and independent are very different. No independent third party has been chosen. I came in 2002 and this month turned in my resignation. If you read the emails from MB he has been exceedingly involved in base! Many in staff came like I did because we love Jesus. Many are staying in staff because leadership has strongly suggested we stay off media because they will keep us informed…..this coverup and delay is dishonoring the Name of Jesus because they are trying to protect he name of the ministry! These words are simply my own testimony as a Grief Chaplain still gathering up the broken pieces of my heart. PLUS the husband came forth in his wife’s defense privately before all this was made public. The ones helping this woman and the others who have “allegations” now also public knowledge use to be in leadership and also being shamed and dishonored them. Hint: the current leadership all know what is being presented is the truth. This new “independent 3rd party” defends ministries and ministers charged with abuse…they brag on winning against victims so why would any victim trust them!

[@user-cz6do6rx9i]

Mike Bickle Is the founder of IHOPKC. It was through his prophecies and his friends prophecies that their place was founded. I think Mike Bickle has a lot to do with IHOPKC.

[@cat-bg3rv]

Maybe ask one of his buddies like Bill Johnson of Bethel, who turns out to be unqualified according to his false doctrine.

[@ThisisPam]

THANK YOU for doing this, Dean. You have a gift of communication and discerning what is really going on with the marketing, blame shifting, and gaslighting. On some level, so many victims of abuse of all kinds in the church understand what this feels like. Professional passive-aggressive whitewashing.

[@kathiewalters]

People need to see the main spirits that moved in to do this - if they don’t it will manifest another way

[@melblack7412]

Every time one of these large scandals comes about it's meant to show people the many things that are going wrong in the church, but because people can say they couldn't possibly have known about the extremes, that they're innocent. But Christianity is about discerning much more than "extreme" sins. The point is this man was in your midst for YEARS and you never once discerned anything to do with his heart. God clearly was not approving of him and yet you did. It's a wake up call to how sinful we have been in being satisfied with our ways and God is showing how fruitless and sinful they are.

[@mimicaban9551]

MB was part of IHOPKC executive leadership team in october 2023 according to the official chart

[@JoshuaRanen]

What did the IHOP Executive Leadership Team know about Mike Bickle, and when did they know it? That is the question.

[@britineywarren]

Very good job breaking down how these churches use crafty and deceitful language so sneakily to mislead and lie to people about what is going on in these situations. Once you learn about these tactics, you can see the same formula in every one of these type of things.

[@timothyhollins6010]

The bible clearly warned about ihop in literally thousands of scriptures, yet you wanted your ears scratching

[@keithbryner40]

Well done, Dean. Thanks for your insight, brother. 👍

[@rihraw]

This guy is such a spin doctor. It makes me sick in my stomach

[@grannyinthesticks]

apparently, that's his job. he's a PR guy.

[@bordendonna]

The Third Party was not agreed to by the advocates for victims. Third Party works for IHOPKC

[@Tendervittle]

Dark Vader ihop soulless vampires

[@annwiens-ec7zr]

I HAVE a bone to pick about the “Christian Way” that people talk about. We act like it’s un-Christ-like to hire attorneys but Jesus mentioned in parables about the women who couldn’t get justice, going before a judge and pestering that judge until he finally gave her justice…so it seems in Jesus’ time they had a legal system. Obviously. And God is. Righteous judge as we know with this all playing out now. Why do we act like there’s something wrong if we need to hire attorneys to move through a complicated legal process or two help protect us when we go through some thing especially like this? Obviously, I think I’m stating what you would agree with Dean but it is amazing to me how Bickle called for a Matthew 18 process which to clarify, actually talks about offenses , not about abuse such as this. My point being as there’s a lot of legal issues that come to light especially to protect victims of abuse, and it makes me sick when Christians go. “Oh, they shouldn’t be hiring attorneys” but victims need to because the people with the power and the money would probably sue the victims butts off, and have in past history, all the time, done exactly that, to silence the victims. Thanks for this video by the way!

[@RabbiMurray]

The church should handle business internally. However like the government if it's corrupt then it doesn't need to be done internally

[@bordendonna]

Yes, very good. Paul was a lawyer. Isn’t strange that Bickle and IHOPKC have lawyers but “the victims” are uncooperative if they have their own attorneys (which they should) Eric is so disingenuous….disgusting.

[@bordendonna]

@@RabbiMurraycrimes against persons or abuse get reported….that is the law

[@sherrylanning1896]

You have a Pastor's heart. I hope someday you'll have a new church family to love and nurture.❤

[@JhutaNabi]

“The Christian way failed…” 💯🎯 Eric Volz didn’t deceive the people that matter (“a report” vs “the report”). The victims and advocates are refusing to meet with Lathrop LLC for the same sentiments as you mentioned. This whole thing has gone from bad to worse. IHOPKC and it’s leadership has lost credibility with the victims and advocates. Maybe past the point of no return. Chances are that this brouhaha ends up in lawsuits.

[@r.j.miller]

As an adult, I would never speak to anyone, church, insurance adjuster, police, or 3 party investigator without a lawyer, especially as a victim. Everything you say can and WILL be used against you, I want a lawyer to make sure that I as the victim is protected. The lawyers involved are what would make me feel the safest.

[@LastDays7]

Every IHOPKC mouthpiece needs to read your comment.

[@carolzcarolz]

Right. Your OWN lawyer. NOT the other side's lawyers, who they "promise" are going to be independent and impartial. IHOP has already been caught in many many lies and other evil things. It would definitely be a "trust them at your own risk" situation.

[@maddieray5406]

Not if the people who hurt you are the ones with the lawyers and YOU don't have one. That's what's going on. The VICTIM has nothing while the church, with all their money and power and fame, has a whole slew of them and Mike has hired his own.

[@thevillageofnod]

@@maddieray5406Exactly.

[@thevillageofnod]

You don’t go to the opposing attorney without your own lawyer. That’s not in your best interest.

[@JhutaNabi]

I love Bickle’s concession… I mean, confession. “I did something to someone, some time ago. For that I’m sorry” 😆. It stands to reason that MB did not apologize to the victim. His private email to Jane Doe’s husband clearly states that if they went public with this, it would be the greatest betrayal of his life. She’s a betrayer to him, not a victim. Just like JMac probably feels about Eileen Gray and Wendy Guay.

[@mj_writer2017]

If false prophesy was used to coerce Jane Doe, he should be disqualified permanently.

[@JhutaNabi]

@@BestBibleVersionDotCom You said, "Yeah I’m sure she’s a victim of Mike and not an adulterer herself. She was abused right, not complicit at all. Yeah right." You know, you just may be right. 👍 Now, about David and Bathsheba, why was David the one who was punished, and not Bathsheba (2 Samuel 12:7-10)? Surely she was complicit, right? Also, isn't it interesting that the Bible makes it a point of calling her, not by her name like the other women in Jesus' genealogy, but intentionally as URIAH'S WIFE (Matthew 1:6). Why even include her? And why specifically include Uriah's name? A 42 year old, married, nationally/world renowned Christian leader and a 19 year old girl whose parents were friends of the Bickles. Her parents sent this girl to his ministry trusting the integrity of this man. Just like those old ladies who are consensual participants in divesting themselves of large sums of money to scamming dirtbags, scratch that, customer service organizations. After all, didn't these ladies go to Walmart and buy gift cards of their own free will? Whatever, bro. 🤦‍♂

[@JhutaNabi]

@@mj_writer2017 💯

[@theresaread72]

@@mj_writer2017false prophesy was used. Mike Bickle told Jane Doe his wife was going to die, and Mike was going to marry doe.

[@charissawhite2553]

Great vid, Dean. what's wild is that the guy isn't even an IHOPKC pastor, he's the crisis manager they hired from "The David Agency"

[@lindag9975]

This happens when there has been a long term lack of accountability for leaders. And when a PR guy is hired along with lawyers. I caught it about a report too. He didn't even indicate who would write the report to be released, the law firm or IHOPKC.

[@lalabarboza8246]

This happens because we are humans. Clearly this happened long ago. Leaders are NOT saints. Leaders are still humans and I am 100% sure the Lord forgave him and yes, consequenses remain but talk bad about a leader or put OUR faith in a human is a sin. Everytime I see people trying to bring a leader down because of a mistake from the past, and even worse an entire ministry because the sin of 1 leader I really feel the fear for the Lord.....Watch out what comes out of your mouth and what you are thinking and keeping in your heart because we all will be accountable for that.

[@Tendervittle]

🎯 very dark vibes

[@sashapayne5051]

​@lalabarboza8246 this is different then a pastor falling into adultery, confessing repenting ( BOTH alone and publicly) and truly living a repentant lifestyle... THIS was/ is intentional, premeditated, calculated ABUSE. Different

[@clairstberry5315]

You put forth a ridiculous proposition, that talking about someone who has committed adultery, seduced, minors, and preached under false pretenses for over 20 years is worse than actually committing these crimes. Do you see that you are a deep Kool-Aid drinker? Clearly, the crimes are outrageous, and in order to investigate them, we must speak about it. If you do not speak about it, you will be guilty before the living God. He has left very strict commands about what is to be done with sexual sin and you may think it’s not so much, but God disagrees with you. I agree with him. If you are not a Christian, then move along. But clearly you are an ignorant person concerning sexual sin in the Bible. In the case of an unrepentant sinner like Mike, the Bible says turn him over to Satan so that his body will be tormented, but his soul saved. It never says don’t worry about i,t if it’s in the past it’s not so much. You make a perversion of the faith of Jesus Christ. Repent.

[@pauljungck5691]

@lalabarboza8246 Mike used supposed prophetic dreams to manipulate and deceive a 19 year old woman into sexual compromise. He was 42 or 43 at the time and married. Prophesying that his wife would die and he would then marry the young woman. Sick, twisted spiritual abuse by a spiritual leader entrustedto care for the sheep, not defile them. This continued for years. Your dismissive and minimizing attitude is concerning. Jeremiah 23:1 “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!” declares the Lord

[@kathiewalters]

There is a reason they have refused / I certainly would if I watched that

[@GospelTruthMedia]

agreed!

[@ruthmayforth5933]

Helpful perspective. Since you did not state it, perhaps you are unaware that Mike Bickle was the founder of IHOP and its leader for over 20 years - it is his visions, prophecies, dreams, and teachings that the organization is built on. So he was not just A pastor that was hired by an existing church, and I think he stepped down in 2020 to work with Friends of the Bridegroom (which I think is an affiliated ministry)

[@Tendervittle]

Founding prophet bob jones was straight out of a mental institution and also a sexual deviant like all the prophets to follow. The congregation is to blame for turning a blind eye for decades/it looks like the majority of the congregation are ready to sweep this away and get on with fantasy land

[@worshipingtheone]

Friends of the Bridegroom is Mike’s current ministry, mostly writing.

[@denalowry8710]

According to a comment made by an intern this year Mike Bickle was in Prayer Room all the time and taught all the time and his books were everywhere

[@CuriouSteve]

So weird how everything is talked about as a season in the charismatic world

[@ashleyheath3767]

lol! Yes!!

[@2817well]

Accountability within NAR/Word of Faith organizations isn'y apparently much of a priority. I know that is a broad sweeping statement. When you have men and women falsely prophesy with no accountabilty, teaching that if you drop some cash into a bucket will RELEASE an anointing, fail to disciple sexual predator's like Boob Jones this is what you get. These men and women are to be marked and avoided.

[@grannyinthesticks]

IHOP-KC and Forerunner Church are very much NOT Word of Faith, just to clarify. They are vehemently opposed to even the phrase, maybe have general ideas about Word of Faith, that others from the outside of this ministry would also have, without understanding the depth and breadth of speaking the Word of God into your life. it's not about money and getting stuff. but abuses are out there for sure. Just to be clear, though, that Mike and the ministry of IHOP-KC are not promoting or are associated in any way with the Word of Faith teaching or ideology.

[@2817well]

Speaking the Word of God into my life. I love hearing God speak. It's called scripture. Objective truth, not some very subjective opinions. The NAR has been raised with very similar heresies that the WOF has been promoting since Azuza Street. False doctine on tongues, it's not a personal prayer language, never was in the early church, never is now. False prophecies GALORE, and if you confront it you are charged with Touching GOD"S anointed.

[@denalowry8710]

IHOPKC is not a local Church. Forerunner Church is the Church. Mike Bickle is not a Pastor but a Bible teacher. Not withstanding this has not been handled right by them

[@servantofmessiah1071]

I basically agree with 100% of what you said. If I was on the "other" side I would not be trusting them. Also ... legal teams? This is no longer church, is it? Thanks for making the video. It's insightful.

[@knowsmebyname]

Mike Bickle is IHOP KC

[@francinesexton8266]

Money is the root of all evil.

[@cat-bg3rv]

The ❤ of money is the root of all kinds of evil. 🙂

[@thecollierreport]

Unfortunately IHOPKC needs to be shut down at this point

[@annbandini4983]

Good report Ive been through this twice before in two churches and even wrote an unpublished book on this why I left the religious system in 2009

[@grannyinthesticks]

Mike has never been the pastor of Forerunner Church. He was the pastor of Metro Christian Fellowship, prior to turning it into IHOP, later known as IHOP-KC. The church was pastored by other men over the years, but, I believe Mike was the main teacher, until the last several years. Mike is seen as an apostle, primarily. Some have said he is a prophet, so that opens them up to being able to call him a false prophet. He is not a prophet. He does not operate in the office of prophet, and, like many full-gospel-type Christians, will, on occasion, prophecy, I'm sure, but this is not the same thing at all. Mike preferred to be called the Director of IHOP. He did not allow for other groups in other cities to "Join" IHOP, and individuals could not "Join," either. It's a fellowship, basically. It functioned as a conference ministry, mostly, with a local church, just for continuity, but did not function the same way other local churches do, for the people in their area. What became known as Forerunner Church, was eventually turned over to Isaac Bennett as pastor, and has been functioning as an actual church. The IHOP-KC Missions Base is comprised, mostly of people who have come from other cities, states and countries, to participate in the 24/7 prayer ministry, mostly for the preparation of the coming of the bridegroom, but, as every other set is for intercession, many topics are prayed over, e.g. local high schools, racism, the African-American community, the Nation, the Government, etc. When Mike resigned a few years ago, he had no title after that, but has been brough in on an honorarium to teach at times. About me: I was from Kansas City, now living in the glorious Ozarks of Arkansas. I decided to go to IHOP as a church in 2012 because it worked out for me at that time to drive across town, and I wanted to be around the atmosphere of 24/7 prayer. I was intrigued by the Passion for Jesus concept, and wanted to read the book (still haven't, tho, my bad). I didn't spend as much time in the prayer room as I had thought I would, and never made a "sacred trust" to do so like the countless that come there from elsewhere. I attended the church, Friday nights, Sunday mornings, but not consistently. Friday nights went too late and my husband couldn't stay awake and we didn't want to leave halfway through. The biggest impact we had was by the home group which we attended for 10 years. Those people are amazing. Loving, accepting, patient, teaching, a heart for prayer, longsuffering. I do not regret being a part of this ministry, because of the home group. I'm also glad that I now understand the ministry at IHOP-KC. I miss the leaders who have left over the years, such as the "Advocate Team" and several others. 2011-2012 there was a glorious revival/renewal, whatever you want to call it, and we got to participate. I just wanted to let you know Mike was not "Pastor." :)

[@RabbiMurray]

There are no prophets or apostle . How come a prophet didn't see this coming ? Lol. It's a "church" based on false doctrine and this is where it leads

[@maryhamric]

@@RabbiMurray Well, here's the think. There is prophecy as in foretelling the future. There is also prophecy which is a word from the Lord...a word of encouragement, of exhortation, of a call to discipleship, etc. Sometimes the two get blended in these environments which is problematic.

[@grannyinthesticks]

@@maryhamric I, myself, understand the difference, and I think maybe it takes time to realize which one someone is referring to. I had a problem understanding what was meant by the phrase, "the prophetic," early on in my seeking.

[@annazimmerman864]

Thanks for posting this. You articulated so many of my own thoughts in a really solid way.

[@frankwirt]

This PR dude gives off serious Carl Lentz vibes.

[@mosart7025]

What?!!! There are tons of pastors out there that have complete power and no accountability!

[@bethandryan]

Thank you for this. We need all the voices we can get on this thing…it’s been exhausting and frustrating

[@happy777abc]

Reminds me of Ravi Zacharias and that ministry when it all came out

[@karencarden4994]

Let’s let God be the judge. He does not need our help

[@theresaread72]

We need to judge these things to protect others.

[@kathiewalters]

How could they not know him ? He preached there all the time ? He lives there

[@reidferguson3386]

What amazes me, is that this group/movement, which professes to have the most amazing spiritual powers of prophecy, words of wisdom and words of knowledge - don't have a definitive divine revelation to tell the truth to all. Sounds a bit lacking to me.

[@bordendonna]

Lol. He is totally defending Mike on SM.

[@guadalupeeg5034]

Here's why I can't trust them and this guy, because he says IHOPKC is being accused of many things that are false, and how does he say that they are false if they haven't even been investigated? This guy is just PR. And they're just trying to play the victim card.

[@dkesslerrph]

3 “third party” picked by IHOPKC are not 3rd parties at all… they are all law firms representing IHOPKC

[@michellemyers4219]

So Mike was a pastor and teacher at ihop but not being paid at all from ihop??? I find it hard to believe

[@dashlamb9318]

And we are not required to forgive a Wolf in Sheep's clothing or pray for Mike Bickle. I am not required to love or pray for Satan.

[@MikeBrumback]

IHOP is not a church. It’s a 24/7 missions base w worship and prayer. MB is not a pastor he hates titles. He is the founder of IHOP and is a Bible teacher. Do you think any thing changes with the approach your laying out knowing that Ihop is not a church and Mike is not a pastor? Isaac Bennett is the current pastor of Forerunner church. You can see their website. Just wanted to make that clear.

[@GospelTruthMedia]

good point. God bless.

[@kathiewalters]

Very helpful thank you

[@geographicaloddity2]

I heard Derek Prince preach on witchcraft (KZbin) and he equated this level of manipulation with witchcraft. With the emojis, the witchcraft looks more like Aunt Clara than Samanatha Stevens.

[@mimicaban9551]

excellent analysis! thank you.

[@deborahlee4441]

God gave him assurance through Bob Jones’s who also was probably “God” to him. Bob controlled the whole thing with his weird prophecies😢

[@kathiewalters]

Bob was Not prophesying all the time

[@maryhamric]

I'm glad you talked about this. This hits home. I was a member of his church when it was Metro Vineyard. I always looked at Bickle as someone with integrity and to see this was disappointing and sad. I was not really into his prophetic stuff but I thought he was a stable guy. And he wasn't. And now the spin....ugh.

[@nathanbarnette1162]

1 Timothy 5:19-20. I haven’t seen 2or 3 witnesses yet. Only people who said they spoke to witnesses or victims.

[@dkesslerrph]

Fantastic points

[@teohproject]

Good word!!!

[@ashleyheath3767]

Ughs!!!! I really really don’t feel comfortable with Eric and him blaming the alleged victims. So gross!

[@worshipingtheone]

Good work, Dean. Thanks.

[@selahr.]

Great breakdown. It should also be pointed out how ridiculous it is to blame the victim that the investigation is stalled when it sounds like they hadn’t even yet really investigated the allegations and other problems by intensely interviewing the staff and other involved parties. It sounds like they just took the stance “we are going to believe MB & IHOP until a victim can prove their case enough that we have to change our mind.” That’s not an independent investigation.

[@denalowry8710]

You are absolutely correct about the mocking and orchestrations

[@jamesriver3417]

well done, this is very upsetting as a believer that he was taking advantage of his flock, very sad!

[@thevillageofnod]

That Bickle statement is about 2 months old. Crickets ever since. 🦗🦗🦗🙊

[@RapturesDelight]

Snakes and wolves.

[@kathiewalters]

I have something very important being missed about KC

[@kathiewalters]

IHOP was birthed in elitism so the seeds of death were in it from the beginning

[@HandsofTheKING]

More of us - Reformed or not - should, at very least be speaking into situations like this. Good on u for calling out the lie that is christian org marketing.

[@bordendonna]

Eric is not a real PR professional…he is connected to the community by all accounts.

[@CarolannBrendel]

This isn't a judgment, just a question: why do you have all those skulls?

[@Underdogtheology]

I appreciate the way you asked, I like how God designed skulls to look cool.

[@denalowry8710]

You are right about mega church pastors but Mike Bickle is not a Pastor

[@kathiewalters]

I believe Mike was in love with her and was heartbroken / that affects you. I mean a grown man weeping and sobbing at her wedding is not just a sexual thing ? Just a thought

[@meganreger6942]

How did you hear that he sobbed at her wedding??? - Somehow I missed that!?!?

[@I6is9f]

He was too upset to go to the wedding of Tammy, who he started sexually abusing at age 14. Maybe he was "in love" with her too! Cult leaders gonna Cult lead. You are defending a child molester, false "hey my wife is gonna die - wanna replace her?? SHHHH!" Prophet, Teacher, Apostatele, DIErector, etc... Just gross lady.🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

[@carolzcarolz]

IHOPKC is an international parachurch organization, a prayer as a worship ministry. The local church arm was more of an afterthought, born out of need, than a true local church.

[@cat-bg3rv]

I find para-church organizations questionable.

[@sqwearl1392]

This dude in the blue shirt is terrible and needs to step aside.

[@timothyhollins6010]

I urge anyone who reads this to please watch is it time to run from Carter Conlon a prophetic word given in 2001 that is more relevant today. Jeremiah chapter 23vs 9-40 Corinthians chapter 11vs 13-15 Matthew chapter 7vs 21-23

[@alanlatta9379]

The clickbait title here is ironic if it comes from another spinner attempt.

[@cobyteune]

Greetings in the name of "Christ" everyone? That is how he starts his speech. Name in Hebrew is shem and it also means character. So he is greeting us in the character of God, but he acts clever like a fox and not Christ like? How strange is that !!!

[@leslie5646]

👍🙏