Lets discuss the 1.2 puretec engine

[@danokurilec2835]

I have a 1.2 puretech 110hp from 2020. I change the belt at 99,000km's, which correspond to the manufacturer's recommendation, but even so, "the low oil pressure" warning light appeared. Fortunately, nothing was damaged. The engine is fine thanks to the quick intervention, but what needed to be replaced... Replacement of the timing belt, as material fatigue was already visible as in the video. Completele flushing of the engine oil circuit to clean it of all rubber particles and sawdust from the belt. Replacing the oil pump, as there is a risk that some particles could get into it, causing it to fail. Finally new oil and filters. I always used the prescribed oil and changed it with filters every 10,000km's. It didn't help. In the eyes of the average costumer, it is a great engine. The power is sufficent for normal driving and is quiet. Also can be economical, but this engine is simply defective.

[@Tom-ku5rz]

sounds like you got very lucky as it probably was about to snap

[@niceboy60]

@@danokurilec2835 what oil do you use I have a Theory why some time belts fail 🤨

[@danokurilec2835]

Sounds interesting. I use 0w30 b71 2312.

[@niceboy60]

@@danokurilec2835 I had my 408 for 2 weeks I ve checked the Service and the oil being used currently is the 0w 20 less viscosity reduces Friction and less Friction = less heat I also suspect City miles might be OK duo to Extremely low RPM VS long Motorway Drives

[@niceboy60]

@@danokurilec2835 did the Dealer Covered the Costs of the Repair 🤔🤨 I mean if this happened within the Warranty Period And you serviced it by the Book, Oil Pressure problems is not classed as wear & tear it could be classed as manufacturer defect 🤔

[@orhan14oglu]

For 1.2 puretech engines; just use right engine oil coded "B71 2302 or B71 2297" These engine oils are formulated to avoid damaging the timing belt. Other than these engine oils that you think are of high quality will damage the belt. just use B71 2302 or B71 2297 PSA approved engine oils..

[@peterkiss7742]

Hello, is it true the latest is 2312? I got an offer for the oil change and its b71- 2010 which is not good I think.

[@orhan14oglu]

@@peterkiss7742 check the user manual; country group 1 -3 uses B71 2010/B712312.. counry group 4 uses B712302/B712297.. and country group 5 uses B71 2297.. Check your country in wich group from user manual..

[@mathiasschiesterl7538]

Stimmt leider nicht auch bei korrekter Wartung mit richtigen Öl sind diese Motoren nicht zuverlässig schade eigentlich da Peugeot sonst sehr schöne Autos baut.

[@orhan14oglu]

@@peterkiss7742 Teknik bilgiler Araç bilgileri 231 Önerilen sıvılar ve yağlar Gerekli motor yağı kalitesi Ülke grupları 223 Ülke gruplan 1 ile 3 arasına giren ülkeler EB2FA EP6FDTM EB2ADT EB2DT EB2ADTD EC5F EB2ADTS DW10FC EP6FADTXD DV6D DV5RC DV5RD DV6FD DV5RE DV6FE Opel Orijinal motor yağı B71 2010/B71 2312 B71 2312 Motor EC5F: B71 2290, B71 2296 veya B71 300 de kullanılabilir. Ülke grubu 4'te yer alan ülkeler tüm motorlar Opel Orijinal motor yağı B71 2302/B71 2297 Motor EC5F: B71 2296 veya B71 300 de kullanılabilir. 232 Teknik bilgiler Ülke grubu 5'te yer alan ülkeler tüm motorlar Opel Orijinal motor yağı B71 2297 Motor yağı viskozite dereceleri Ülke grupları 223 B71 2010 B71 2312 B71 2302 B71 2297 Motor yağı viskozite sınıfı SAE 0W-20 SAE 0W-30 SAE 0W-30 SAE 5W-30

[@orhan14oglu]

@@mathiasschiesterl7538 yaklaşık 30 farklı model 1.2 Puretech motoru kullanıyor. Yanlış bişey olsa ülkenin sanayiciler birliği, otomobilciler federasyonu karşı çıkardı herhalde. Herkes klavye mühendisi.

[@12988Jake]

Mines just knackered the brake booster pump. It’s with Peugeot now. Was meant to be a recall but we never got a letter. Peugeot should be footing the bill!

[@Nakkilauta]

I think you will end up with oil burning issues even if you do everything correctly. Probably with really tight oil change interval (like 5k km) you can avoid it but it's unknown as nobody does that. These engines are so cheap it doesn't make sense to open them up and change piston rings, at least if you are paying someone to do it. Regardless of all the issues this engine has, I enjoy working on it as everything is pretty easy to get to and work on.

[@gicugigel3790]

How cheap is such an engine?

[@devoosdude9809]

@@gicugigel3790I saw one for 1.1k € on Polish used parts market with 11k km on odometer

[@j0llyroger889]

I had the 3 cylinder 1.2cc engine in my peugeot 206 on a low mileage 66 plate, I was always topping up the oil every 3-4 weeks, It used as much oil as it did fuel, I sold it on.

[@maddylmaz4627]

Got a second hand corsa with this engine. Car came with around 24k km’s when we bought it. Did around 2.5k more on it and its still doing pretty fine. Its not the smoothest per say but gets good mileage and works great with 8at transmission (although sometimes kicks in a little bit harsh while shifting between 2nd and 3rd).130 bhp for a small car such as this is pretty decent imo. Reliability on the other hand….

[@mrobrien2493]

Crazy that they are still producing this type of engine

[@tycoonyo1]

I got one from new, 66.000 timing belt and oil pickup clean. Never had any problems. Drive it like its a race car

[@EngGisgo]

Does that really help? I just bought a van with this engine.

[@0bzen22]

@@EngGisgo Hates start and go (cold engines). piston rings have looser tolerances, engine runs richer and the oil gets contaminated with fuel, which is what's eating the belt. I guess if you thrash it, ... If I had the misfortune of having that engine and could not sell it, I'd change the oil double the interval, with the recommended oil (needs additives). And I'd check the oil pickup and oil pan once in a while. The danger is not the belt breaking (although can happen), but the debris clogging up the oil passages and oil pump. I think if you stay on top of the maintenance, it'll be OK. Also check if the version is wet belt or chain, the new Puretec are using chains now. There's apparently some 3rd-party chain replacement kits for wet belt engines available as well. Not sure how useful and relevant they are, the engine is crap and can end up drinking oil anyway. If you have to replace the belt, maybe worth enquiring. Best get rid of that turd imo. Best engine 4 years in the running, hey.

[@BIBIWCICC]

This is a massive problem across Europe but it’s being covered up.

[@arinsa8755]

112.239km and no problems.. timing belt changed on 45.000.. it works like new...

[@matthewjenkins1161]

What car and power level?

[@JacobianMatrix9]

What was the reason of changing at just 45,000kms?

[@matthewjenkins1161]

@@JacobianMatrix9 There is a time interval too, with belt being due for change whichever arrives first. 6 years or 60k miles. To be even more cautious understandable, given the known problems with this wet belt engine.

[@JacobianMatrix9]

@@matthewjenkins1161 Makes sense... I also own one just at 39,000kms / 4 yrs :D. Are you aware of any correlation between engine power vs. early belt failure?

[@matthewjenkins1161]

@@JacobianMatrix9 I'm not but am curious. Got a friend with a 110bhp 2018 C3 Aircross which has been main dealer serviced from new, now on 40k miles and drinking oil like a fish. I'd read up on these and encouraged him to ignore main dealer service schedules, to instead change oil and filter every 5k miles. Like most, he mistakenly believed the manufacturer knew what is best for their car. Running a belt in oil is a terrible idea and worse still in a highly stressed turbo holding just 3.5 litres.

[@tenfootvoyager]

The Puretech 1.2 110/130 turbo engine came out of factory with the wrong spark plugs (Bosch ZR6SPP3320) which were too hot causing miss firing, plug failure, pre ignition problems and in some cases cylinder bore damage. PSA tried to sweep it under the carpet changing the plugs free as vehicles came in for service. Correct plugs are Bosch ZR5SPP3320(cooler). As has been said correct oil must be used and changed annually, especially if low mileage and short trips to protect the cambelt. Oh and no oil additives or flush because they attack the belt.

[@stanncol711]

Hi my friend had a 6 month old Peugeot 3008, with this engine, and was driving to Germany, and the engine blew, it was something to do with the piston and the spark plug

[@stanncol711]

My friend has a 3008 with this engine 6 months old and failed when driving to Germany, something to do with the piston and spark plug

[@tonyc2837]

I bet you’ve got a review coming on the ford 1.0 ecoboost engine. Think they have 1 or 2 issues with them I believe.

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

How did you guess 🤣

[@gamesmaster1060]

Are the wet belt issues worse or better than on the ecoboost. Or about the same?

[@gregg9672]

Geesh...that Ford EcoSport engine is awful

[@enbyfrog39]

@@gamesmaster1060 They have the same issues but apparently the failure rate is higher on the puretech engines

[@evanson1963]

Mines done 27000 and serviced by vauxhaull all its life but the belt is cracking i,m in dispute with them now ! They say they cant see anything wrong even though you can see it through the oil cap that its clearly cracking !!!

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Oh dear, have you tried contacting vauxhall directly to complain? (not through the dealer) how old is it? As the recommended interval if I remember correctly is 6 yearly. Hope you get it sorted... thanks for watching and commenting 👍

[@anthonybrown4874]

Good vx dealers are thin on the ground same for Pug & Citroen, the gauge for measuring the width is widely available and they should be using it so if it's too wide it's to be changed if not complain to the highest person there directly.

[@bubblehead46]

Where abouts can to get the tool

[@anthonybrown4874]

@@bubblehead46 I literally just googled it tink the one I bought was a laser one even Amazon do them it's not just about the width though if the surface is cracking it's likely debris is coming off to block up the oil pick up.

[@niceboy60]

Is anyone happy with this Engine 1.2 Puretech ? Or manage to do high milleage without any issues ? 🤔 I mean its all Horror Stories 😬

[@pauladams5673]

Yes, I did 80,000 miles in mine. My Son has it now and it's on 85,000. Absolutely reliable. Didn't need oil top-ups between services until about 65,000 miles. Now needs 0.5 litre top-up between services (15,000 miles). The car has been serviced by main dealer from new. I drove it hard and it has been across Europe a few times, fully loaded up. Brilliant car & engine. My Wife has one too, now done 40,000 miles with no trouble. I had the cambelt & water pump changed at 65,000 miles.

[@niceboy60]

@@pauladams5673 if you dont mind me asking what is the make of the car & year ?

[@abcmusicman1]

I'm the 2nd owner of a 3008 mk1 (facelift version from 2015) with a 1.2 puretech engine. I currently have 124k km on it and I'm getting "low engine oil level" errors every 200 km. Mechanic will start work on it in a few days. Next time I'll just buy a Mazda with a petrol engine, they're almost bulletproof. If only I'd done my research sooner...

[@blackwidow7804]

I have Opel Corsa F 2020 model 130hp/230Nm. As of today it have 55,000km (around 34,000 miles). No problems what so ever so far. Next week i have my 4th service check and oil change. But in my country the service check and oil change is every 15,000 km not 15,000 miles. I think that 15,000 miles is too much (24k km).

[@wilman4721]

I wouldn’t have another one, though, admittedly, I did high mileage. I had a 14 plate Peugeot 308 with the 1.2 Puretech 130hp engine. I bought it in 2017 with c24k miles. Sold it 3.5 years later with c130k miles. By then, it was burning a lot of oil, I was probably topping it up every 1,500 miles. The 3 cylinder engine just wasn’t up to it. Maybe if you do 5-10,000 miles/year in a small car it would be ok.

[@baylessnow]

You want a bullet proof engine? get an old Ford 'Kent' crossflow. I only found out about this litte gem of a problem AFTER I bought a Peugeot!!! Who thought that it was a good idea to put a rubber belt inside an engine FFS?!?!?!?!??????? Checking my vehicle history the other day, I discovered that it has had a new belt AND oil pump fitted and I'm only the 3rd owner from new! It's a 2017 car on a 66 plate. One previous owner racked up over 20,000 miles in 1 year. This will be the shortest time I've owned a car and after this one, I'm going back to a Toyota!

[@19jacobob93]

I like to stick to older Peugeot diesels. The 2.0 HDi and good old 1.9 XUD engines are bulletproof

[@ahmedhossam6125]

hi i had a crosslabd x 1.2 turbo puretec 2020.after suffering and motor damaged i get a new one from psa 2023 .they said that new cam belt design never made that problem again because of new cam belt design .is that true they say that new engibe had a new part number than old one . i fear from that engine all the time

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

A mechanic told me they are now using timing chains, not timing belts. That should fix the problem

[@jmigserra1986]

@@TheAllMightyGodofCod only on the mild hybrid ones

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

@@jmigserra1986 are you sure? I have been told that now all 1.2 engines have it. Seems to me it would be more economical to have just one standard system Instead of 2 but, if you say so...

[@huleyn135]

Apparently the new 1.2 puretech that started this year is revamped from the groundup and uses a chain instead.

[@gravemind6536]

So they decided to implement what Toyota did 8 years earlier on their 1.2 turbo petrol.

[@paulyoung8434]

I've just bought the 408GT 2024 brand new. It's still a belt not chain

[@razagr]

its still belt

[@bgdxmas]

They implemented chain only on one version of the engine, the more powerful one.

[@PaulRFRT]

Avoid all Stellantis group brands if you are looking for recent and reliable gasoline with after-sales service. Former owners of a 1.2L Puretech 110hp, we only had problems with: faulty segmentation, excess oil consumption from 60000 km, 1L every 1000 km, ventilation broken, belt in the oil to replace, speakers sometimes broken. We understood that keeping this Peugeot would be a financial pit. We sold it to a professional because Peugeot, well aware of the problems with their cars, does not do trade-ins. Thanks for the video

[@0bzen22]

It really depend on the type of driving, AFAIK. If you do a lot of city start / stop, it's bad. If you do more long distances, it's not so bad.

[@matthewjenkins1161]

Got a disabled friend with a Citroen C3 Aircross bought brand new late 2018, main dealer serviced by the book and currently on around 30k. He gets me to check his levels every 3 weeks or so and it usually needs a top up of oil and there is no leak. My 2003 Jaguar XJ6 on the other hand on 120k miles doesn't use a drop between yearly oil changes, which is usually around 3-4k miles. I warned him when he was looking around to buy it, steer well clear of small overstressed turbocharged engines, producing ridiculously high bhp per litre. My instincts proven correct!

[@gicugigel3790]

Direct injection gasoline engines 😢

[@MECHANICOFCG]

If you want check PCV valve.Causes oil consumption

[@colinstickland3130]

P c valve . I drive a 1997 ford escort . All electric bits removed injector pump earlier model . No abs ,only bit I keep original is the airbag . Modern cars with electronics nothing but problems .. give me seat 600 or a old ford cortina maybe even a Allegro. But come on wet timing belt ??

[@lmr9512]

Should i keep it or get an toyota auris or honda insight im looking at those atm and selling the Peugeot off

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

You can't go wrong with a Honda or a Toyota. 👌

[@volt8684]

Honda have problems with fuel contaminating and thinn8ng the engine oil, avoid

[@tiagofigueiredo2529]

@@volt8684 Both Honda and Toyota HAD that problem in their turbocharged engines but quickly fixed the issue and the affected cars got and extended warranty and engines replaced so, no, not to avoid. ✌️

[@lmr9512]

@@volt8684 ive ended up with mazda6 2.0 litre petrol naturally aspirated, its been going strong for the past 6 months

[@BenSamuel-d6l]

@@tiagofigueiredo2529 You can.......but they dont have this particular issue

[@keitharmstrong2928]

Jim, I don't use my 1.2 turbo Cactus much as I am retired. Do you think I should take it for a short trip every now and again to keep the belt lubricated? If so how often and how far? Thanks.

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Hi there, Im not sure whether that would make too much diffrence to the life dpan of the belt, but it cant hurt doing so aslong as its long enough to reach optimum engine temprature, a 15 min ish journey should be ok, it would probably help prevent the valve seals going hard and sticking though to be fair 👍 thanks for watching

[@keitharmstrong2928]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM No problem, I found your video extremely informative and will periodically check it via the oil filler. I will make sure I do a couple of 30min open road journeys a month.

[@khalidacosta7133]

No need to, it's a synthetic polymer belt that doesn't require lubrication for long lifespan.

[@carlostmp]

AFAIK the main problem happens when you use it for short rides without allowing the oil to get the optimum temp. When you start the engine and it's cold, the fuel enters the oil pan and mixes with the oil. If you don't get the engine hot, when you stop the engine and leave it for hours, the oil has not been able to evaporate the mixed fuel that it contains, so this small amount of fuel will degrade the belt. If you do it time after time, you will rapidly ruin the belt. People that use the right oil and change it no later than 15k kms, and their daily rides are, for example, for 15kms or more, they'll be delaying the main engine problem. These are the owners that will tell you "Hey, I've done 120k kms and the engine is fine!". The oil compsumption will likely happen, but much later. Also on ~2017 there was a silent ECU software update that improved the combustion in the engine, and many people that don't take their cars to the manufacturer for mantainment would have missed this update until the 2021 recall, so they probably forced the engine to get dirtier faster than other owners.

[@Hector-b4c]

Hello, quick question. I bought a second hand citroen C3 from a car dealer with about 32000miles of mileage and 7years old. It is a 2017 plate and i discovered it had 2 recalls on it, one for the back lights and one for the timing belt. I quickly took it to Citroen for recall repairs and they only fixed the back lights and said the belt is still good and can go up to 50k miles or 3 more years. A month later I got a STOP light, engine fault detected, took it to the garage and a low oil pressure error was found, investigated further only to find out that the belt has been breaking apart and the fragments blocked the oil pump. Got a hefty bill from the garage and called the Citroen approved garaged who cleared the recall a month before the incident and they were saying the car was already 7years old and the belt could have been changed when it was 6years old yet I didnt even own the car at that time, only bought the car at year 7 and I just didn't know about all this nightmare of the breaking wet timing belts. What can I do to get reimbursed for the cost i accrued through repairs as I had tried to chase up the recall before the issue and they cleared it as safe and i had owned the car for about 3 months to the incident?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Hmmm sorry to hear about your troubles... have you complained directly to citroen (not through a dealer) explain to them and they might help you if you argue enough, unfortunately it doesnt sound like the belt recall was done properly for it to break up so soon OR you may just be really unlucky... citroen will no doubt ask for proof of regular dealer services with correct oil etc and invoice proof. And proof of a cambelt change at the correct interval- if you dont have those unfortunately they may decide not to help you but its worth a shot.... the next thing if that doesnt work out would be to threaten to take the garage to a small claims court... sometimes the loudest customers get faster results.... hope you get sorted 👍

[@zzhughesd]

My strainer was removed former owner. And car cuts out in gear after 15 seconds. I’ve a number scanners. No codes out of it. Do you reckon should check the oil pump rate if scanner will tell me

[@FrekkiPlay]

Is it possible to change timing belt in this king of engines per a timing chain in the In the official workshop of the brand?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Im not 100% sure on what youve asked.... if its - is it possible to change from a timing belt to a chain? then my answer is I havent seen one that has and I dont know if there is a conversion kit available BUT newer ones coming out have switched to a chain and hydraulic tensioner setup so mabie someone will make a conversion kit at some point 👍

[@FrekkiPlay]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM i think it could be the best option

[@as3cs3]

is there a PCV on these engines (I have 1.2 year 2018) that you can clean out? It's using a lot of oil and has only done 40000 miles

[@lennonpolo]

You have to buy the whole head to replace it, its a sealed unit! The cost from Peugeot is £300 plus, and the cost to fit it!

[@as3cs3]

That doesn't sound too bad@@lennonpolo. Local garage wanted £2500 on a guess that it 's the piston-rings that are to blame

[@stanncol711]

My friend had a Peugeot 3008 6 month old with this engine, and failed when driving to Germany, something to do with the spark plug and piston. Peugeot tried to say he was driving too fast 😂, he was being careful with it being his new car.

[@MelchizedekKohen]

Have a peugeot 2008, and it's due its first service at 12k miles currently at 7400 miles only topping up engine coolant and some oil very little it put in castrol edge? It maybe had 100ml since new

[@orhan14oglu]

Don't use Castrol Edge.. Castrol doesn't have oil for 1.2 Puretech engine.. Castrol Edge is high quality oil but not for 1.2 Puretech.. Castrol Edge probably harm your timing belt. Use PSA approved B71 2297 coded oil only..

[@MelchizedekKohen]

@orhan14oglu yeah, I've bought total energies quartz 0w-30 it's just been serviced and runs very well

[@orhan14oglu]

@@MelchizedekKohen yeah Total İneo HTC is fine..

[@yodesuyo]

Just yesterday a woman in France had her puretech engine break in the middle of the highway. Luckily she didn't have an accident

[@ricardo1e93]

Simply put. You don't put hot oil near nowhere near rubber or nylon belts. Period.

[@joeninety5240]

Absolute nightmare Just had one with blocked pump grill. Cleaned and fortunately pump seems ok. However apart from the strip down nightmare to get to the belt, some models require you to remove the phaser cam pullies. The turbo models I think. These are sophisticated bits of kit and even one tooth out on fitting back and all kinds of error messages. I’m still trying to cure P0014 and P003c errors on bank 1. Checked VVT solenoids and still no go. Starts and sounds superb. But after just one minutes drive it goes into limp mode. If I had a car with this engine I would pass it on as soon as possible. Cam belt in oil?!!!! WHAT!!!’

[@johanlondema8350]

😊

[@JacobianMatrix9]

Have you been able to deal with those errors :D ?

[@tycoonyo1]

You can sqeeuze the belt between. Even on the newer versions. Als 1 hour job. 1.5 with oil pickup clean

[@GTC1357]

Does anyone know what coolant should be used in this engine (eb2adts)? The current one is between orange and brown. There is nothing clear in the User Manual either. Coolant colors have varied, as I see, every coolant uses every color. So, filling with red or similar color may causes issue.

[@gicugigel3790]

Any good quality coolant will work. This is just a normal car engine, not a spaceship. I use G12 (Pink), others use G33 (green or blue).

[@tiagomnm]

It usually is a B71 5110 coolant but check what it says in the manual. It should say Bradol or Arteco Freecor DSC, or just "lobrid" coolant. Motul has a specific 5110 spec (OAT lobrid), as does Valeo. Will be more expensive. Mannol AF13++ 4015 pre-mixed fits the same type of lobrid coolant but is not tested to PSA spec. Color doesnt matter, Stellantis uses yellow or blue in vehicles. Maybe other if they change suppliers. Do not use PSi Hybrid OAT like VW G12Evo, as those are against recommendations.

[@GTC1357]

@@tiagomnm thanks a lot for answer. I'm thinking about to refresh coolant completely on next winter. Unfortunately, users manual doesnt give any info for oil and coolant type. Really weird.

[@tiagomnm]

@@GTC1357 You're welcome. I found it very hard to find. Coolant type should be on some sheets regarding engine types and what oil to use. Have you downloaded the online manual? As per maintenance sheet, need to regularly test the PH (not sure how, I check if close to original) and change every four years. Ask for the maintenance sheet at an official dealer. It will help you a lot on maintenance.

[@GTC1357]

@@tiagomnm I only have a users guide which given on purchasing car. Official service shop hasnt got any idea for true liquids. They just fill up with Total or Eurorepar products. Even i saw, they adding tap water to coolant tank. Thats why i have suspicions with 2 years old cars coolant 😅

[@ΜαρίναΠαπαδάκη]

What about new Jeep avenger? 1.2 puretech with chain or the classic one? I ordered one and I 'm really confused !

[@adriancarter825]

I have just bought a 1.2 Vauxhall CROSSLAND 71 plate it’s now on 42k , I assumed it had an opel gm engine but no it’s got a 1.2 pure tech engine so that’s me paranoid now about this wet belt issue , and realistically when should you change it , or maybe I should change the car altogether.

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

The interval states 80k / 6 yearly... id get it done 4 yearly if I owned the car and make sure you use the specified oil only and dont put additives into the oil on oil changes (e.g oil flushes)

[@TheLisa1705]

My problem is oil on coolant ive let it checked dr head casket and thats not the problem are their more people with this problem that their coolant tirs brown?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Are you sure its oil mixing? Is it sludgy and has sediment in it? Or is it just like a rusty brown colour because I have seen a few vauxhall vehicles antifreeze randomly turn brown- which is normally caused by something like incorrect antifreeze used, internal corrosion or some sort of contamination like exhaust gas getting into the coolant... however the ones I saw they nether bothered looking for a cause, it was just a case of flushing the system and refilling

[@simoore1973]

Good chance it’s the engine oil cooler failure done loads of them common problem of oil in coolant bottle

[@stevenwills8549]

Got my belt changed at 32000 miles under warranty low oil pressure fault its done 57000 miles now and the same fault has came back hopefully i can get dealer to look at it but its out of warranty now 😢

[@StephenBlythe-p2g]

Same thing happened to me new wet belt at 50.000 . Done 60.000 started again pure crap citroen

[@Hjd10]

The same issue as Ford's ecoboom engine.

[@baylessnow]

😆

[@salimmetin]

Are you sure? The ecoboost engines of Ford seems to have good reputation I thought?

[@macraghnaill3553]

@@salimmetin he is sure, google it

[@sejautie]

It did on my citeron C4 cactus rip curl it got service on feb then damage engine on April? Citeron had to replace engine nearly five grand free on 24000 miles?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Ouch, glad they sorted it for you though 👍

[@sejautie]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM yes it was a problem because you have to make sure you take it to a citeron dealer every service with evidence? Because they wasn't going to do it with out service history.

[@keepingupwiththejamess5295]

Jim my nephew has a ds3 1.2 2015 puretech p1337 code reading I’ve changed the coil pack and spark plugs as they lithium been running ok for about 2 months and the problem has come back any suggestions mate

[@x.kasiouris5503]

What dod you think is better this or the 1.0 t-gdi i hope i don't spend too juch money on maintenance, be on top of it but not get bankrupt

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Hi!, ive not had many dealings with the 1.0 t-gdi, is that the ones found in the hyundai / kia? From what ive read power wise its not as nippy / powerfull BUT far exceeds the reliability and comes with a massive warrenty. Which if true would personally would be my preffered choice, so puretech vs what ive read about the t-gdi it would be the t-gdi for me.... just do some research and look on forums for common faults between the two to help you make your choice 👍

[@JoseSilva-xs3jh]

I saw another video talking about this engine and they say that cars with this engine built in 2023 already come with a new timing belt (more resistant to oil maybe). Do you know something about that ???

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

The brand new ones come with a chain now I believe depending on the build date, i will make an update video when I come across one in the wild 👍

[@JoseSilva-xs3jh]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM that's about time they fix this problem. Looking forward to see that video. I was thinking about buying a brand new Peugeot 308 with this engine but when I knew this issue with the belt I held back. Thank you for answering.

[@MelchizedekKohen]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM interesting I've a 2008 gt getting built atm hopefully it comes with the change

[@jdmguy44]

I've just ordered a new 2008 1.2 130ps and am starting to worry a bit about what I see on the Internet on these wet belt puretech engines..

[@MelchizedekKohen]

@jdmguy44 ordered mine in April, and I'm getting the new 2024 version. If you just ordered, you will get the same one the GT? right? mine is built and on its way to the uk. New versions have a chain instead of a belt. If in doubt, go speak to your dealership they have all the information you need

[@x.kasiouris5503]

I am in between this on a 208 and 1.0 eco tsi 95hp on a ibiza or 110 on a fabia

[@pablo123b]

do you recommend not using an engine flush then?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

No I wouldnt recommend using them, I along with a few other techs believe they dry the wet belts out too much with the harsh chemicals in them causing the belt to break down, youd be much better off changing the oil more frequently 👍

[@pablo123b]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM that was my thought thanks for the quick reply. Just bought one for the wife and even though serviced " not a chance " I'm doing it all myself with the correct oil for peace of mind. Thanks for taking time to reply cheers Paul

[@khalidacosta7133]

Never use an engine flush. There is just no need to and will only ever cause harm to any engine, rather than fix anything. Engine oil itself has detergents within it to keep the engine clean.

[@mauroturano9970]

This problem Is also in the new cars of 2021-2022 ( like the new Peugeot 208)?

[@sockygeo]

Yes

[@x.kasiouris5503]

@@sockygeo 24?

[@philipashton1443]

What's your opinion on vw 1.0 mpi engine?

[@x.kasiouris5503]

Did they add a timing chain in the new models?

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

I was told they did.

[@furkane4416]

What do you think about 1.3 renault meganes turbo engine with 140 hp?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

To be honest I havent came across one yet to be able give you an opinion

[@thephilpott2194]

Quite diplomatic.... I'd be more vocal and say that these engines should be avoided at all costs, at least up until the (2022?) version where they reverted to a timing chain. 130bhp from a 1.2 turbo is no good if it decides to shit itself half way up the M6. You can BET that the chain and sprocket assys. cannot be retrofitted to an earlier belt engine. They're far too canny for that. Built in obsolescence without apparent accountability.

[@mikligardur9104]

I am thinking buying a car with 1.2 puretech and 130hp but its burning oil. What could be the problem and how expensive could it be?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

My advice would be dont. Walk away and forget about it if its burning oil. These engines are not very good or reliable, could be anything from piston rings, valve blowby or a simple case of oil dilution or a leak but most the time in these engines you will end up eventually having to rip apart and rebuild the engine or replace it

[@mikligardur9104]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM Ok I will walk away from this and thanks for advice.

[@matthewjenkins1161]

My gut feeling when I heard about these engines was that they'd be a wrongun, before I heard actual reports. 130hp out a turbocharged 3 cylinder engine was never going to be a reliable road engine, even before the wetbelt issues are thought about. They are built to pass increasingly unreachable emission regulations, at the expense of long term reliability. Friction has to be reduced wherever possible, by for instance using race type thin piston rings, which were never meant to last more than a season between engine rebuilds.

[@VeinyPathwayPassion]

So if you service it properly with the right stuff at the right time you shouldn't run into problems with that kind of engine?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Unfortunately at some point you probably will, however its hoped that it would delay the belt break up and sump strainer blocking until the next belt change, the best bet is to also pay the extra 1hr labour plus silicone price during the cambelt change to remove the sump and get the strainer cleaned at the same time to prevent further / future headaches 👍

[@rish5501]

​@@ALLTHINGSJIMThen, what would be the estimated cost for the replacement of timing belt and etc?

[@k98k007]

Have new cars with this engine the same problemn? Thanks

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Well there is a new model / version of this engine which does infact now have a chain but ive only seen a few so far, but all belt driven ones will have this problem at some point yes 👍

[@osa-mv4iv]

​@@ALLTHINGSJIMonly hibrids have chein and new gear box from powertraina

[@x.kasiouris5503]

​@ALLTHINGSJIM if we are talking about a new peugeot would you suggest the 1.2 puretech 100hp or the 1.0 TSI (208 vs fabia)

[@octymocty132]

For got to say psa now do a uprated cam belt totally different compounds 110 apx inc vat bacuse they now its a fail point

[@zzhughesd]

Does anyone know if the 1.2 VTi also 3 Cylinder is a wetbelt. .

[@alanpriest8016]

Yes it is, i changed the belt on mine at 40,000 miles just to be safe, and will have it changed again at 80,000 miles, i learnt my lesson with the Ford TDCI wet belt engine, i learnt the hard way,

[@Faceplant-hl5yn]

I drove citroën for years (xsara and saxo) but when it was time to buy a new car and the witch hunt on diesel engines became a thing in my country, a puretech petrol engine just wasn't an option. So bye bye Citroën (all affordable cars were puretech)

[@PatLadsChan99]

Our puretec 1.2 T requires cambelt change after 28k miles 😮

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

Doesnt suprise me unfortunately, if you use an oil flush on your services then id stop as it may be that causing it to prematurely disintergrate 👍

[@paulheald3099]

@@ALLTHINGSJIM I had to pay £1200 for my sons C4 cactus to have the belt replaced i am gathering info to take citroen to the small claims court to recover the cost of repair which they refuse to pay or even a good will gesture .

[@anthonybrown4874]

My lad bought a 308 GT line one despite my warnings dealer wouldnt budge on the admittedly cheap price so we got belt changed (its a £500 job) but since then its had a fuel hose clip let go brokrn down and now broken down with a persistant misfire nothing electrical or fuel related so it off road again. Personally due to the poor dealers generally i would steer clear of the whole group of cars PSA/ Stellantis produce diesels are now too complex to be reliable as a long term proposition modt petrols are puretech so swerve them and electric overpriced, every manufacturer makes bogey engines but its so easy to avoid really these and ecobooms wont buy.

[@scotspie501douglas7]

the dealers dont come forward with the info mr arnold clark

[@captainchaos3053]

Ok so having had a 2018 308 gt line with the 1.2 puretech my opinion is they are gutless and thirsty. There is not much else to say.

[@TheDervMan]

Fascinating stuff 👌🏻

[@gabrad6916]

Do somebody know if the engine of the new opel corsa 2024 1.2, 75kw automatic , comes with wet belt or chain?

[@INobody95]

AFAIK only the 136PS mild hybrid got the new engine with chain.

[@paulmarwood4325]

Lets be honest, who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to stick the timing belt inside an engine, well done Ford, PSA & Vauxhall.

[@palmlifeuk3553]

Honda civic 1.0 had similar issues.

[@ScolScol]

So these engines burn lots of oil too and then we are told they are designed for a better,cleaner environment 🤔

[@DjameleddineMohamed]

In my country Algeria. Climate is 🔥 hot . All puretech engines are a disaster .some of them failed at 60000km . Guys avoid this engine at all costs. Moreover it can't be fixed . Buy Toyotas hondas or vw .

[@NathanSubramani]

Which car had these engine?

[@steviejaypyne1]

Honestly, I’m fed up of these shit 1.2 engines, they’re put in to the new sporty looking cars that look like it’s got bite but won’t pull your foreskin back. I find them just so boring and if you enjoy driving your knackered. You can’t get a bigger Astra than a 1.2 unless you go electric.

[@MadMaxx570]

I live in a tiny place in the middle of nowhere, i think we've had 10 of these fuckers go boom just this year. Totally awful crappy things, same with the ford 1.0 ones. Trash, like all new cars, really

[@costaspapacostas2238]

Follow the successful recipe of Japanese and Korean manufacturers, make simple and durable engines easy to maintain, don't destroy your reputation and fame of your companies

[@tarantino1983]

1 liter every month...impossible to do s travel of 300 km...

[@thisisnumber0]

Nothing's up, Jim, why do you ask?

[@StephenBlythe-p2g]

Never get a car with wet belt . Iv always had citroen cars never again or will l have a citroen it's letting a good car down

[@JeanlucAuffret-d9s]

Une courroie dans l huile c est pas bon du tout !!!!!!

[@erikpedersen7843]

Worst engine EVER

[@lestersmyth692]

Who on earth came up with such a dumb design - a wet timing belt REALLY 😂

[@paulmanser8941]

Its just a bad idea end of story. Why can't everyone just say it as it is???

[@TheRealKingOfHun]

Simple answer, dont touch this engine. Let alone the car brands which are selling it. Buy a normal engine ffs.

[@macraghnaill3553]

Not so easy to do that

[@shlakser]

For 1.2 puretech just don't buy them! Especially used ones!

[@svenschwingel8632]

There is nothing to discuss about this sorry excuse of an engine besides ways to make it disappear off the market.

[@ChirnyJam]

You said although they are very good engines??? 🤣 They are total shit

[@robertjohnson9757]

Pure tech............Pure junk more like!

[@roehector]

Why would you make such a shit engine in the first place? Manufacturering costs?

[@ALLTHINGSJIM]

I didnt! 😂 but yeah they say its to meet emission standards set by the EU however its going to be a mix of that and costs id imagine...

[@zzhughesd]

My strainer was removed former owner. And car cuts out in gear after 15 seconds. I’ve a number scanners. No codes out of it. Do you reckon should check the oil pump rate if scanner will tell me