LGR - Fire & Ice - Amiga & DOS Game Review

[@ajragle]

"I love underwater worlds!" SO YOU'RE THE GUY!

[@deus_ex_machina_]

Alex Ragle Gather the villagers!

[@xRocketzFighterx]

Alex Ragle (Swims up to the surface and looks at you) Glub glub glub (Dives back into the water)

[@LGR]

@spleenandpie Never been to Europe actually, I just have a high respect and interest for their gaming culture. I haven't always lived in the USA though, living in the Caribbean for a while where almost everything is from PAL-land. I gained my first exposure to the stuff while living there and it just jump-started what was already a slight interest.

[@timothy790110]

Amazing that George rr Martin based his entire universe on this video game.

[@muffythevampirelayer_]

It's weird to see these old videos because I have been following LGR since around this time and I remember seeing this when it was posted maybe 6 months ago at the time. I'm around the same age and grew up with PC gaming so I always related to this channel. This is the only KZbin channel I have followed for almost 10 years. Seeing now how far Clint has come. I remember getting excited when this channel got half a million and then about a couple of years ago when it was getting so close to 1 million and then finally reaching that milestone. I would check everyday to see if it finally hit 1 million and just being so excited when it did. He has done all the work, but I feel like I've been on this journey with this channel. It's hard to put to words. Proud of this channel.

[@LGR]

Some games on the Amiga were programmed to take advantage of controllers with extra buttons... Apidya comes to mind. But yeah, typically it's a one-button affair, with any further buttons delegated to the keyboard, and that kinda sucks.

[@LGR]

1. Game-saving is only available on the DOS version, not the Amiga or others. 2. If you're having trouble with key pieces after level 1, then that's probably the copy protection coming into play. Make sure to enter the copy protection code sheet info correctly or you won't be able to get pieces on level 2.

[@Red1872Rum]

Was so good seeing this man really took me back. Love this game played for hours on Amiga

[@LGR]

@tombert256 Yup, this is very different than Tecmo's "Fire 'n Ice" and GT's "Ice and Fire". Confusing names, so this one's often referred to as "Cool Coyote in Fire & Ice". This is one of those games I think would make having a CD32 worth owning, if I could ever find a decent deal on a PAL machine. Or maybe NTSC would work, who knows.

[@LGR]

@BrianPicchi Totally awesome, glad I could convince at least someone! It really is a good time and it grows on you.

[@Highretrogamelord]

Certainly one of THE greatest AMIGA platformers! :D

[@MaximumRD]

Amiga was so impressive in it's time and still my favorite classic computing platform.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

I like this review! Very thorough! Also, it's really nice to see that some people still have that old stuff. It's so hard to find those things anymore!

[@LGR]

@endofthelinejoel Indeed, my problem has been locating a version of the game to emulate. It's not in the GameBase I've seen.

[@Ubersnuber]

How I hate the way old PC games look. It's like the limited pixel rendering made all games have the same overall look or something. The Unreal 3 engine today, but for totally different reasons, if you will. The Amiga, on the other hand, oh my! This game is a looker!

[@BrianPicchi]

Awesome looking platformer. Somehow I missed this growing up, I'll have to give it a shot now.

[@LGR]

@hitachi088 You have my word I will review it. As for when, I don't know. I also share the view that it's high on the list of best games, period. And the music, wow!

[@LGR]

@Winstet420 Back in the day it retailed for £25.99. I bought my Amiga boxed copy for about 15 dollars with shipping from the UK to the US, and the IBM PC boxed copy for about 50 dollars shipped from Australia.

[@TheTurnipKing]

I seem to recall there was a 4-button Gravis Gamepad that had four buttons - two of which are seperate buttons in games that support them, and two of which replicate the function of "up" and "down" which make playing games like this, which use up to jump, less of a pain.

[@LGR]

@tv77355 It's cool that you want to see a certain game. Just nicely ask once and I'll think about it. But the way you (and many others) have said the same thing over and over like it's some kind of right of yours to expect specific free content from me, that I do on my own personal time without any compensation, is grating. I never promised any sort of review. I'll try, but all I can only do so much. I'm sorry if it's not always your requested game, but what seem like demands aren't encouraging.

[@Clone42]

I always look forward to cracking open a beer and chilling out with a new LGR. Keep it up, man.

[@JackBealeGuitar]

I had a nostalgia melt down, no pun intended

[@LGR]

@sebamkfan Did you watch the video or just make a quick comment? The "Fire 'n Ice" game by Tecmo for the NES is totally different, I think that's what you might be thinking of...

[@mattx5499]

I liked it more than Sonic for Genesis. There's something cool about the graphics and sound in this game. It was kind of ahead of other games released in the same time. I never liked these super fast platformers and prefered ones that were about exploration and collecting stuff.

[@LGR]

@thegamemuseum They're still here, I still do them. Look under my channel page in the "Quickies" playlist.

[@xananadu]

man all these games u are reviewing LGR are awesome, makes me i wasnt soo young when they had been released )-:

[@LGR]

@SteveBenway I would love to see your view on it if you ever get the chance/feel bothered to do so. The floaty controls really are a huge burden for a while and if I hadn't played it endlessly as a youngster I might not like it nearly as much. It is a very rewarding experience whenever you do finish it though, even if you need to use a trainer to do it!

[@LGR]

@HarryMatic Holy crap, I wish I did. But no, or else I'd have shown the DOS version with the Roland music!

[@KaySaschnitt]

Again, very entertaining review. Keep up the good work and don't let those ever demanding people annoy you! ;) greetings from PAL-Land aka Germany

[@charliellorente]

The bad thing about the Amiga was the fact that there was one button only, it´s very shitty to move the joystick up to jump,totally antiergonomic(specially with a joypad) and most of the time there wasn´t any option available to change that thing.Nowadays with my emulator I still push the X button on my dual shock like an idiot thinking that it will make the sprite jump...poor me!LOL

[@LGR]

@janmansde3dede Well more power to you if you prefer a joystick. I prefer to play where I enjoy myself, and after using a joystick for hours I still hated it. It was just too awkward holding up, and pressing and holding buttons and directions for differing times to shoot the weapons.

[@LGR]

@Ubersnuber Oddly enough I often think that of Amiga games. So often games look like they were obviously built in Deluxe Paint. But with the PC I can see uniqueness in nearly every older game, since so many new tricks were being used. It's all subjective.

[@BrianPicchi]

This video encouraged me to try this game out and I'm glad I did. It's awesome!

[@GameHammerCG]

I loved this game as a kid but wow, it seemed so much better back then.

[@legosrore]

Fuck Sonic Boom, THIS is the real Fire and Ice!

[@endofthelinejoel]

The Acorn Archimedes version was very very similar to the Amiga OCS release. It should be playable on the RedSquirrel archi emulator.

[@Animated__Freak]

wow the master system version look's great

[@JomasterTheSecond]

This game was released on the Master System in Brazil because Brazil.

[@YSBunny573]

The Master System? The same thing Sonic was released on?

[@JomasterTheSecond]

RosalinaFan573 (aka Starz Lol) Yep. Sonic 1 & 2, Shinobi, Space Harrier, Out Run, all that jazz. For an 8-bit console, it's had a surprisingly long lifespan in Brazil. New models are being released to this day.

[@YSBunny573]

***** I knew that, I was just referencing the newest Sonic Boom game

[@JomasterTheSecond]

RosalinaFan573 (aka Starz Lol) I don't get the reference.

[@YSBunny573]

***** The new Sonic game was called "Sonic Boom: *Fire and Ice*"

[@koopakape]

AHHHHHHH SO *THAT'S* WHAT THAT THING'S FROM! I've had a gif of the map across the bottom of the screen there for YEARS and always thought it was gorgeous pixel art, never could figure out if it was from some actual old game or just some random old game map-like thingie someone made for the heck of it. Well that's one mystery solved.

[@LGR]

@moderndesings I'm unsure if I will or not. Maybe someday, probably not too soon.

[@samvimes9510]

Oh man, I played the hell out of this on PC when I was a kid. The Scotland world was my absolute favorite, simply because I loved the goofy bagpipe spiders.

[@LGR]

@MrMinecrafterEXTreme I'm not sure what you mean. The Amiga game? No, it's an Amiga game. If you mean the DOS game, then probably. It depends on your PC specs. CPU, RAM, graphics, etc. Chances are if it runs Windows 95 it'll run it, but it really works better with a pure DOS environment.

[@LGR]

@moosesaresexy There is an annotation to the video to that effect.

[@neochris2]

OH MY GOD!! I had this game a LOT of years ago. It was just awesome. Im going to play it again if I can find it. This was my favorite game when I was a child ;_;

[@LGR]

@HarryMatic Hmm, my idea of "not expensive" is under 50 bucks, and I've always seen them sell recently for about three times that amount. If you know somewhere I can find one cheaper that would be awesome, I'm constantly looking for a nice deal on one. They're nothing short of amazing pieces of kit.

[@BirdFluJapan]

The Amiga controller actually handled up to two buttons. If you stick in a Sega Megadrive / Genesis pad, you can use B as the first button, and then C for your second button. Turrican 2 works great using this ... but still as you mentioned, "up" is to jump.

[@todesziege]

Regarding Rainbow Islands: in much of Europe the NES - and with it Super Mario Bros - was a lot less popular and less common. Rainbow Islands (and other games like its stablemate New Zealand Story), on the other hand, was available both on arcades and the locally popular home computers, so they took a lot more of the spotlight. Additionally, the home computer ports of Rainbow Islands only got released in 1990, only 2 years prior to Fire & Ice, so it was still rather recent; but Rainbow Islands is refered to here not because any specific similarity but because it was the "previously best platformer" - sort of how Doom was for first person shooters.

[@pontiumGR]

Since you own an amiga 500,try Ruff 'n' Tumble.It's a great platform game I used to play on my amiga as a kid,with sweet graphics,sound and action.Btw,LGR you rock dude,keep up the good work!

[@Remo860]

I love these videos. I wish I had a bunch of old crap like that.

[@Vermilicious]

I believe I got my hands on a shareware version of this game once. The graphics and style was certainly nice, but gameplay-wise it wasn't all that great. The Jazz Jackrabbit games were better. Most platform games on Windows were a disappointment compared to console games like the NES/SNES though.

[@LGR]

@tombert256 I can't say I've ever used it. AROS seems like it would have some advantages in certain situations, but I haven't felt a need to try it since for me UAE works just fine with games. I'd like to try it sometime, but having a real Amiga and WinUAE I'm content for now.

[@beezle1976]

I really liked this game "back in the day". Played it originally on an A500, but got an a1200 shortly after so then continued on with the AGA version. Never quite finished it, but I got close.

[@BlackRainbowFT]

You're totally right. Those time-limit balls of fire are indeed creepy... I remember I used to rush to the end of the level because I didn't want to hear that sound... I don't think I've ever beaten the second castle...

[@RetroGamerVX]

@MaximumRD Arrrgh, I was talking to him at r3play lol. Yes, Amiga's were big over here, not so much over the pond. Thanks for the info, I think you have solved my hard disk reliability issue for me :o)

[@MaximumRD]

@RetroGamerVX Absolutely! No different than a real hard drive. Make sure you look around though, you can find ones tailored to the A600 or A1200 with Workbench pre-installed.

[@crimsoneternity]

I love your duke nukem impression! Spot on!

[@dtg610420]

I loved this game as a kid!!!

[@LGR]

@uknortherner2000 Oh man, you're right! I will add an annotation for that. Wow, I remember thinking as a kid "what is that snowflake doing?"... Ahh, memories.

[@haggisnoodles9455]

"The atari ST version kind of sucks" - isn't this just assumed to be true for basically all multi platform games? :v

[@RetroGamerVX]

@MaximumRD Yes, I remember a friend bring an amiga to show at school, the graphics blew me away and I instantly fell in love. I proceeded to cover the walls of my room in pictures of it and it's games as a hint to my parents, but, they never could afford it. I now have a 1200 and a 600, both of which have bad hard disks :o(

[@RetroGamerVX]

@MaximumRD Dam it, I did not know they did them, I have one on the way for the bbc master, can you boot the os off of one of them ? If so, I shall get one next year for my 1200 :o)

[@DanHammonds]

It's such a shame the Amiga wasn't pushed more in America. Commodore really dropped the ball on that and so many Americans missed out on some classic gaming experiences, a friendly community, great spirit and such creative potential that consoles couldn't offer.

[@edu4rd0i6]

Excellent review! I know you love to review Amiga games, but could you review Noctropolis for PC? I love that game.

[@tomahzo]

I used to play the shit out of this game back when I still had my Amiga ;). The level 1 music is stuck in my head still to this day.

[@kyoyameganebereznoff]

Is the song used for the intro from Fire & Ice? It’s so funky!

[@DeckerFI]

This game was so impressive back in the day. It's aged very well. My top3 Amiga platformer along with James Pond 2 and Superfrog (was shocked to realize people don't really appreciate Superfrog).

[@argebarse]

that, and Eric Schwartz's art in the game reminds me way too much of his later horrible furry crap

[@superdanskeren]

Turrican 2 was my favorite Amiga game. But the james pond games, new zealand story and rainbow island was also cool games for the amiga.

[@andyukmonkey]

Bought this recently and, just like you say I haven't got past Scotland. Which is a shame because i'd love to get to the temple level with that awesome music.

[@lunamorley]

Summed it up perfectly and I couldn't agree more with your example. ;)

[@kloggeddrain]

This Looks Fun, But i am going to take it to heart when you say its hard.

[@DanHammonds]

Loved this game and the ending is really worth beating the game for!

[@canoktik]

This really reminds me of Titus the Fox (I mainly played the DOS version but I think the Amiga version was pretty popular). I'd love to see your take on it, and the designer Titus Interactive has an interesting past and library of games to look into too.

[@retronostalgic]

Fice and ice - classic Amiga platformer!

[@MaximumRD]

@RetroGamerVX Well all have our problems. I picked up one of those hard disk adapters with 4GB Compact Flash card pre-loaded with tons of games and the operating systems. Just plug and play but I have no Amiga lol! I figured though I would have this ready for that great day I pick up another amiga likely an A1200.

[@stewartfullerton1965]

We had the demo of this game on the PC, I thought it was a christmas themed game back in the day.

[@RetroGamerVX]

Lovely graphics showing the best abilities of the Amiga :o)

[@TheBananacake1234]

LGR were can i get a copy of fire and ice? i love that game as a kid and i dont know were to find one

[@niceandgames]

This looks very cool. Any idea how the Atari ST version compares? I wonder if it is as colorful! That persistent map is sneakily distracting. You can kind of ignore it, but then when you are weak you'll look down at it and it's like, what the heck is this doing here? Cool Coyote rocks the keys. Kind of like Rick Wakeman c.1972 mixed with...Rick Wakeman c.1978. ???

[@CapcomPapa]

Dat catchy opening.

[@BassdrumBlaster]

I'VE GOT BALLS OF ICE

[@xRocketzFighterx]

That title screen is very cute also not bad game to. I wish we can have more retro games like this on gog.com.

[@endofthelinejoel]

@Shiqna1 Zarch works fine on RedSquirrel. Best if you have a three-button mouse! The middle button is for hovering.

[@frechjo]

First I see Master of Magic on the C64, holy shit! Only to find out it wasn't the Microprose MoM ;_; Next video I see the Fire & Ice game, wow! And it has nothing to do with the cartoon movie. ñ_ñ Oh well, disappointment never ends... The rest of the time, great channel! (jk, both were nice vids)

[@dvdvideo1234]

1 How can u save your game i don't have this feature in my copy 2 What have you done with the key after level 1, coz if u cant do it right u cant get the pieces of the key in level 2

[@earthad666]

simulcra..... my favourite game of this period!

[@baby13sc]

damn this looks good. what year is the amiga and the game?!?

[@quoabell]

i liked that game a lot, although i never got very far :D but just the music really stuck in my head until today.

[@HighTreason610]

Ah, now this game looks good, shame I've never played it, if I ever get another Amiga this will be on my list. Ever heard of Project X for the Amiga 500? It's a shoot-em-up that's worth checking out if only for it's soundtrack - though the gameplay is good too.

[@bubbleboyspot]

aaaw my childhood's here!!!!

[@MaximumRD]

@RetroGamerVX Cool, well when you get around to it be sure to make some videos!

[@MaximumRD]

@RetroGamerVX See videos by 28steryan, his shows a compact flash installed in his CD32 (which really is just a consolized A1200) also he is closer to your side of the pond, here in Canada it is a pain finding anything Amiga.

[@johnandrewthomas1981]

Ok, I see the Ice part, but I dont see much Fire. Is the final boss like a giant flame ball?

[@Jinx_Skeel]

there is another game around with the same name and it's a sequel to solomon's key... geez that game is hard as balls... balls of steel that is

[@Saxonation]

On the note of water level music, have you not had the pleasure of playing Turrican 2? The Great Bath is one of the greatest tracks ever.

[@nahanddejan2984]

Those 2D graphics of the Amiga version look great even today, irrespectively! (July 2020 at time of this writing). I've seen WORSE done after, even these days. :)

[@mattx5499]

And the funny stuff that many modern retro-like games with worse graphics require a dual-core CPU and 2GB of RAM to be playable. Most of them don't even get close to the art-style of Fire & Ice and they look completely bland.

[@dvdvideo1234]

How can I do that and where should I look ?

[@captainviggo4575]

I never had the full game back then, just a playable demo (only the first level) but I played it many many times. Have you ever played the Turrican series on the Amiga, and especially Turrican II? It was simply one of the very best Amiga platformers back then, and still is, with incredible musics by master Chris Hülsbeck.

[@lithium1911]

/XV\iG/\ stuff always takes my attention; nice work again! Hope to see a sleepwalker review sometime ;)

[@bryce_yoder]

Woah, where'd you get the MSDOS shirt??

[@sinbysin666]

Seems like the makers of Spelunky might have been inspired by this game. Having to lead an NPC to the exit for more life, and a something chasing after you after spending too much time in the level.

[@CoreyDWillis]

Had the same thought!

[@Xegethra]

I dunno about this game in particular, but things trying to kill you if you take too long is just an arcade thing in general, Berzerk did it too. Spelunky could have gotten that from the era as a whole. As for other stuff, quite possibly, but wouldn't be shocked if other games did it too.

[@Pheorize]

Thank you LGR, this one of the many reasons (as well as your funny remarks and humour overall) that I'm supporting your channel on Patreon: That I'm learning about new games and soundtracks for said games. The track for the Underwater level ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zSq4xoerdqpdk ) is just plain awesome! So a huge thank you :)