Lies, Darn Lies, and Journalism | with Eliza Mondegreen & Lisa Selin Davis

[@cultof1jewls813]

Admittedly I’m completely obsessed with the “trans” insanity but simultaneously so sick of how much energy it’s robbing from all the sane, rational, intelligent people. It really makes me wonder where we could be as a society if it didn’t exist. It seems so destructive and such a waste of time.

[@markkavanagh7377]

Personally I think that distraction is the point of all this....keep the intellectuals busy whilst enacting a global power grab.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Likewise. It seems deliberate.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I hear this and I match it. I'm so tired of intelligent wonderful people having to waste their time on this shit. However I'd probably not have heard of a bunch of brilliant people (Joyce, Cass, Stock, Side-Eye Mondegreen, many many more).

[@cultof1jewls813]

⁠@@meretriciousinsolentyes, my people! Truly the proverbial “silver lining” right?! ❤

[@Matt24002]

Would be, will be, replaced by something else. It's the religious impulse of humanity.

[@GordieGii]

If everyone gets to choose their own pronouns, they're not pronouns. They're nicknames.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@GordieGii 👏🏽

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@GordieGii *Nicola Names

[@Lochness19]

tbh most nicknames are given by your peers in my experience. Unless it's just a very obvious shortening of your name.

[@GordieGii]

@@Lochness19 Agreed; but their function is completely different from that of traditional pronouns. The purpose of pronouns is to speed up communication. You use them once you have already identified who (or whom?) you are talking about. People often talk (or gossip) about the interactions between men and women, so gendered pronouns are a natural way to avoid confusion, and the are used, and recognized, subconsciously. It has nothing to do with respect. The demand to use special pronouns is a ploy for attention, and a tactic to interrupt efficient communication and natural connection.

[@amyb.6368]

@@GordieGii Well, nicknames are also used to speed up conversation, sense they tend to be the shortening of long names (Christopher) to one-syllable ones (Chris). But you don't talk about all Chrises as a matter of course like you do about all shes, so there the similarity stops I guess.

[@Don18376793]

Objectivity like honesty is an ideal worth pursuing, knowing that perfection isn't possible.

[@mattbuchanan325]

Dr. Mondegreen! Congratulations!

[@Peppiinait]

What are they sacrificing their children to? This is where it gets scary.

[@kadams4458]

That's actually a great question. They sacrifice them for the purpose of avoiding personal responsibility, but they're so busy denying that it's child sacrifice because they do not want to think about what, or who their children are sacrificed to. :(

[@amyb.6368]

32:07 Even there, I don't accept the value that no one else can judge another adult's choices. I can judge an alcoholic or someone having a manic episode and so believing they can stand in traffic without getting hurt - I can judge those people as irresponsible or out of their minds and unable to take care of themselves properly. People like that exist; and tolerance has a natural limit. Else we enable terrible wrecks and alcohol-fueled domestic violence. Now does the topic du jour fall into that magnitude of an unhealthy behavior? I'd argue yes myself. Just because some people stand in traffic and get a thrill out of it and miraculously don't get hit doesn't mean that's something we should just let people do as a matter of course.

[@norahjaneeast5450]

"If f I would have gone to Mad Max it would have been for True love" that's a good quote

[@Sas1256x]

I don't care what adults are doing to themselves at this point, people are allowed to pursue self destructive pathways in their life & they can deal with the consequences of their choices. The frustrating part is the collusion & lying about the effectiveness of these treatments & that its subsidized by insurance & the govt. The part where adults pursue ridiculous cosmetic surgeries & treatments with negative side effects is ultimately their choice & prob their right to do. Unless you can prove they're so incapacitated by mental illness that they shouldn't be allowed to make choices for themselves, I don't know that its appropriate to tell adults they can't have these cosmetic procedures.

[@Lochness19]

If we can get the following done, I would I suppose be okay with the oddjobs doing what they want -keep children out of it -informed consent (ie no deception about this being a miracle cure for mental illness, and make sure they know all the negative side effects and protection of those who are clearly incapacitated by mental illness) -no subsidies for medical procedures -for legal purposes and entering womens spaces, biological sex is what matters -no compelled speech -not a protected class Probably a small percentage would still go for the procedures, but it might be 10-20x less than today, and the ideology would largely die out.

[@nickbarber2080]

Dr Hilary Cass has been ennobled...she can now sit in the House of Lords (upper chamber) of the UK Parliament....hopefully a voice for sanity at the heart of politics.

[@rosetintedrage1246]

Eliza! I love her, shes so beautiful

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Can we get a warm welcome to Ms. Lisa Seline Davis and return appearance of Ms. Eliza"Side-Eyes"Mondegreen 🐈

[@helenablavatsky9136]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

​@@helenablavatsky9136👋🏿

[@jennaphage]

The doctor trying to silence you (chastising you for talking about divisive subjects) - THIS is what is starting to make me hate the whole "be kind," "kindness matters," "nice is awesome!", etc. etc. etc. movement. I totally loved those shirts 6-7 years ago. It made so much sense then! Now I see it as "don't speak about anything someone may not want to hear, you'll hurt them, etc." Don't question the narrative. "You are factually correct but not politically correct"

[@sameash3153]

Mennonite and Amish german is closer to Swiss German than Plattdeutsch, though there are some sound shifts common to both dialects

[@Lochness19]

1:01:40 well, most left wing views are considered to be much more socially acceptable than right wing views. At least based off media/govt/institutional messaging. So people with left wing views are generally comfortable expressing them, and right wingers are accustomed to being around them. But there's a lot more people with "crypto" right wing views and their left leaning acquaintances aren't ready to hear it.

[@mattbuchanan325]

Estrangement could be part of ‘Abolish the Family’ movement.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@mattbuchanan325 oh, Sophie Lewis's vile coven of Feminists?

[@OrwellsHousecat]

It's interesting to hear them refer to "satanic panic" as though it was a hysterical psychological paranoia phenomena, with no basis in reality, which is precisely what progressives are currently calling genda-critical folks now. I don't believe GC views to be totally unfounded, so why would I accept her such presumptions about satanic-panic? The 'objectivity' and 'neutral curious observer' stance of these two ladies only seems to extend to the degree it allows their own views.

[@bradknuppel2491]

Lisa's story about "framing" hit me like a ton of bricks and is another example of the need for nuance.

[@bethscaer2974]

Journalists are also reporting incorrectly on abortion. It's very similar to what is being done with trans issues.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

*Benjamin's technicolor dream hat (alternate title).

[@laserbrain7774]

George marshall and Issac Asimov were totally correct about the Israel project.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I think the tattoo thing is interesting. I don't have tatt regret because I've grown out of getting annoyed about my body (and it's a good job because I have other things to get on with, and plenty of things I could obsess over). I have grown out of getting tattoos though. It speaks to the level of harm they've caused me. I can forget about them. Occasionally when I react to something and my system does an inflammation/histamine thing they stand up like braille, but that's all. As for the plugs- some people like how they look. It's just a style choice. It's not any more invasive than the initial piercing, but it does take more input and effort than the piercings. I think it's just, see a thing, want a thing.

[@mellochord]

That hat… makes me want to sing… Are We Not Men?

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

[Another decent-seeming, fav-multi-channel, out-of-context repost here, originating from Louise Perry's MMM.] I have several things to say here: I'll again invoke the late Hitchens. While his Anti-theism argument elicited mine, and almost everyone's disagreement, I maintain that his counterfactual in which the harms of organized religions outweighed the social utility, is VERY CLOSE to reality, and informative for the future, to ensure that those social organizational/ritual systems remain benign. Similarly, I think Hitch's moral argument that the US had an obligation to intervene around the world was also NEARLY defensible in its specificity, and he was mistaken regarding CAPABILITY, not regarding DUTY. I was politically activated as an adolescent in opposition to Neoconservatism, however Hitchens walked this line ALMOST perfectly. He was mistaken in his support for certain specific policies, but somewhat amazingly, proceeded to catalog EVERY SINGLE WAY in which those policies he supported were being poorly implemented, over a period of time. I consider the two great inheritors of the Christopher Hitchens legacy, to be Douglas Murray in the area of culture, and Michael Weiss in the area of policy. Now, SHOULD the US be the police of whole world? Frankly, yes, unless you're a moral relativist (and fail to apply the moral arbiter of human health) there are lots of 'crime infested neighborhoods'. However, CAN the US police the whole world? HW Bush might have said, 'it's possible we could just barely pull it off,' however the answer ultimately seems to have been: not rly, and especially not at this juncture. Arriving at the nub of my thesis: Women, and men as well, should not necessarily suppress their moral reflexes, when faced with the overly harsh realities of the world. But the correct response is not to pull everyone in the water, onto the lifeboat of a Western society, and thereby sink the lifeboat. The correct response is to GET IN THE WATER. (I recently recommended a movie called Machine Gun Preacher someplace, in a similar context). If I'm not mistaken, Michael Levin was brought to Massachusetts from the Soviet Union, by a Jewish missionary group. He's probably our next Einstein, in biophysics. Maajid Nawaz wouldn't be back here, helping to save our society, if not for Amnesty International (pre-woke). Yeonmi Park wouldn't have survived, and be helping to rescue escapees plus doing other important work, if not for a Christian missionary group. Whether it's preserving the lives of our next geniuses and heroes, or protecting and providing medical support to as many innocents as possible, let's replace "woke" with "moved and inspired," let's turn our 'sinners' into 'saints'. The now-underway era of deglobalization will increasingly result in mass famine, and self-contained local/regional conflicts, as global supply chains break down. It will not be practically possible for Western nations to intervene, nor for that matter to avoid inflicting collateral damage in certain instances (despite our best efforts) nor disrupting certain supply chains for the sake of everyone's best interests. For the most part, the ability of yesteryear's internationally funded and supported relief and protection organizations to meaningfully intervene around the world, is significantly reduced. 'Religion' should not be some 'us against them' mobilizing tool, or some larping ritual, or some childish magical, metaphysical set of notions. Therefore, it rly doesn't even need to be 'religion,' it should be possible today for a civil society movement, to fill a similar role, if ppl would stop navelgazing, and allow themselves to be appropriately moved and directed, by the real need that exists in the world. It's one kind of service to society, to do what Louise is doing for example, educating the next generation through New Media, seeking knowledge, and raising a healthy family. And yet, perhaps when their children are more grown up, it will be incumbent on as many adults in the West as possible, to go to seriously dangerous places around the world, and try to help save as many innocent lives as they can, via privately funded, sort of startup charitable groups (perhaps even with the assistance of protective, small Western militia groups in some cases, but that's a tenuous prospect). Ppl in the discourse have been pointing out, perhaps rather nervously at times, that certain populations for example in Sub-Saharan Africa, have been growing much faster than others, which are shrinking. But this is entirely the wrong perspective, the anxiety impulse should not be activated, the empathy impulse should be activated. What, are they going to invade Western countries with far superior militaries? No. And, what do you think is going happen to places like this with far larger populations than they can support, when the international market breaks down and whatever food resources they imported are no longer available, and whatever local resource sustained their economy is no longer internationally bought and sold? The obvious answer, is that they're ALL GOING TO DIE, current terrifying projections indicate that a BILLION ppl will die for these reasons, perhaps over 10-20 yrs or less, that's "BILLION" with a "B". (From the societal perspective, birthing a large population is nothing, sustaining a large population is everything). During previous eras of isolationism, going back a couple centuries, it was the 'providence' of citizens' philanthropic groups, to alleviate the suffering and prevent the loss of as many lives throughout the world as possible. Westerners are experiencing malaise? Feeling the need for some grand mission? Having trouble appropriately directing their moral impulses? School's out kids, welcome to the real world. There will never be any deficit of that kind, for anyone who opens their eyes, and takes a good look. *This message brought to you by Mortality Salience on Tap.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Much like legacy institutions, I can also survive at 2% sanity 😵‍💫

[@heatherchapman1984]

Is there an "uncanny valley" effect perceived by some people when they aren't able to easily categorize someone as either a "progressive" or a "right-winger?"

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I thought this was going to be about guys claiming to be women and using high pitched voices. Someone I know (male) used this phrase recently talking about male colleagues who ID as trans, and the way they make him uncomfortable.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

BAASSSEDD IINNN SPPAAACEE!!!

[@heatherchapman1984]

I really do not think that it's any stretch to view the individuals in positions of power and responsibility (administrators of institutions, and medical professionals at all levels in our current healthcare system, etc.) as the latest generation of little Adolf Eichmanns. (Indeed, there is a lot of Adolf Eichmann in each of us from time to time . . . Arendt closely examines how his mind worked because she very aptly saw him as a cautionary tale for every human mortal. This particular work of hers was not very popular with those unwilling to face up to the truth of the human condition, I think. The sin of dehumanizing the oppressors is quite likely to be more damaging to civilizations than the sin of dehumanizing the oppressed. I think each of us here, who suffer so much from other humans' evil deeds, should strive to keep that in mind, if for no other reason than to come out of our experiences trying to survive this as morally intact as possible.) cold negligence - we witness it as friends and acquaintances refuse to take an interest in learning more about what's going on in gender clinics and other institutions pushing trans ideology. the form of contempt that lacks passion, and allows an individual to consider certain groups of other people as beneath consideration . . . distancing language - the psychological purpose of euphemisms which are enforced by language rules is to allow a person to avoid thinking and to just hand over their moral judgement to the collective The Banality of Evil, Technocrats and Salience Frames | Hannah Arendt’s “Eichmann in Jerusalem” The New Enlightenment with Ashley www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udw6YpEc...WL&index=1

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Everything you said equally applies to Feminism. Do you get a similar feeling about feminism?

[@laserbrain7774]

You are referring to the Professional Managerial Class and their adjacents. Yes, they are terrible and need to be disempowered.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

Have I been mis-spelling Seline all this time? I thought it was Selin!

[@ripple947]

It is Selin. Seline is the error.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Fixed. Thanks!

[@meretriciousinsolent]

Swear Ben just said white wing not right wing. Just like the right-wing dove....

[@VM-hl8ms]

wabbits.

[@lizmnv]

Furiousa was worth a 2nd watch

[@BenjaminABoyce]

That’s what I’m talking about.

[@daughter_of_earth]

Isn't Lisa's full name Lisa SELIN Davis? Anti-Zionism is not hate speech. I feel like I am back at Dissident Dialogues with the extremely biased pro-Israel audience. I am disappointed with many of the gender critical crowd on Israel. I can forgive these two because they are Jewish and have been indoctrinated with certain beliefs about Israel, but we need to be honest about our bias.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Do you think the GC crowd is evenly spit on their views regarding the totally unrelated issue of your seemingly utmost concern?

[@daughter_of_earth]

​@@OrwellsHousecatThey are talking about Israel here. That is why I am discussing it. It is really hypocritical to call pro-Palestinian protest speech "hate speech" and then object to gender critical beliefs being called "hate speech". Neither are, for the most part. I thought gender critical people would be more thoughtful. Supporting the slaughter of Palestinians in this conflict is pretty awful.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@daughter_of_earth good point about the hypocrisy, but what else do expect from feminists?

[@realjohndead]

I made it 2 minutes to the nose part and was over it

[@amylombardi9088]

Make moderation sexy (again?) 😂

[@OpenHLZFocus]

Ritz Carlton poultry 😂 for chickens!!! 🙂❕❕I can imagine apple pies 😋 with those eggs!!!😉 👉🥚🐣🐔🍮

[@laserbrain7774]

If only americans were forced to pledge loyalty to Palestine instead of Israel to be employed by the government, your narrative would have more traction.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

😉

[@KingdomPlans]

Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac because he loved God more than his own child, which is what we're meant to do. Yes, it was a test and Abraham passed with flying colours to become the father of nations.

[@jennaphage]

That story has so many layers. Also a metaphor for the future, where God sacrifices His own son for love of us. God didn't ask Abraham to do anything He himself was not willing to do.

[@KingdomPlans]

@@jennaphage I understand, thanks 😊 It was just a TLDR version for atheists and agnostics in the comments.

[@jennaphage]

@@KingdomPlans Yes, I was just adding to it :) Has so many angles on it.

[@KingdomPlans]

@@jennaphage That's one of the reasons I love the Bible, you can read it and reread and still come away having learnt something new!

[@lizmnv]

Benjamin. Tack not tact

[@BenjaminABoyce]

at this point in my career, i just don't care anymore

[@pobsasdharmalounge4355]

Ugh..... bringing religion, Boyce's christianity and god-talk, into this is where you lose me completely. Criticizing one delusion from the perspective of another? That's no winning strategy, imo.

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

Yay for Women Talking but Nay for Furiosa? Strange taste we gots heres.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Furiosa has like 20 lines in the whole show 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@VM-hl8ms]

this comment sums up hyper real insanity of our times so well. "yay for women talking for as long as they are talking favorably."

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

@VM-hl8ms what are you actually on about? My comment did not mean that in the slightest. Yours is the hyper-real judgement bite. Can't even comment on movies without someone insinuating something awful. You are being peak internet.

[@VM-hl8ms]

@@MJeeEm-fg8md sorry for not being able to read your mind. please, elaborate.

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

​@VM-hl8ms I merely was commenting that I consider disliking Furiosa but liking Women Talking as strange cultural taste in my opinion. Maybe wait a little before you speak with such condemnation and infer things that are not there. It has nothing to do with reading minds, but everything to do with not being a douche.

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

I don't have time tonight, and I skipped ahead randomly, to the part abt how trans is because we've forsaken the Lorde.

[@jcimsn8464]

Facts don't matter to you?

[@sameash3153]

It is

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Lol, if your Gawd is basically a magical forcefield, that generates boy and girl parts, then yeah sure whatever, deadass.

[@Timic83tc]

i wish the correct people didn't believe in israeli sky daddy. what a dumb situation

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Eighth

[@OrwellsHousecat]

3.5g

[@thel1355]

This woman is evil, but don't ask me how I nose.

[@jcimsn8464]

Who is evil? A whistlblower truth teller or a psychopathic medical industry.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

​@@jcimsn8464it was a joke, don't be kvetching