Lies of P(at)! Haha, funny jokes.

[@iamnuff1992]

I glance at chat randomly and I see "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that piss is sterile." Never change, chat. Never change.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

chat is the worst. but i do gotta admit, that's a good one.

[@SeruraRenge11]

It's not sterile but the bacteria in it is not necessarily bad, just depends on what you've been eating.

[@iamnuff1992]

@@SeruraRenge11 I genuinely cannot express in words how much I do not care whether piss is sterile or not.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@iamnuff1992 if you so profoundly dont care then why even reply, to let us know how much you care about not caring?

[@iamnuff1992]

@@SeruraRenge11 It looks like you missed the point pretty badly. Whether Piss is sterile or not was never important. The point was that Pat's Chat won't stop talking about Piss, and the possible sterility thereof.

[@Godlydragonfist]

If Woolie plays this game, he better title it (Woo)Lies of P(ie). @leonardchurch814 👍

[@leonardchurch814]

Wouldn’t it be (Woo)Lies of P(ie)

[@Godlydragonfist]

@@leonardchurch814 Damn it you're right haha.

[@IamPussy]

We don't deserve that name 😢

[@TomatoAbe]

Pretty much came here just to say “Pat the Liar stole my Bloodborne,” but yours is much better, so kudos

[@BreakfastsAtNoon]

​@@leonardchurch814lol, deep cut, I love it.

[@frustratedsquirrel]

thinking about the plot, if puppets have to protect humans and cannot harm humans, then it's possible that the petrification virus is turning people into something other than humans, which is what's causing the puppets to attack.

[@Msoulwing]

They're attacking the player too, though. Plus, most of the puppets you fight don't appear to be combat models to begin with. I suspect sabotage.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Well the first law is that the puppets must always obey their "Creator", not their owners. Maybe there's a twist and the Creator is like a hivemind puppet or the source of the Ergo.

[@kmoney890]

@@Msoulwingto be fair the players puppet doesn’t seem to be your average puppet

[@Msoulwing]

@@kmoney890 Oh absolutely, my point is that he's not human and thus probably can't catch the petrification disease. It seems more likely that frenzied puppets simply attack anyone who isn't another frenzied puppet.

[@adamruiz3683]

I feel like everyone going 'Oh, it's Bloodborne At Home/Bloodborne 2' did me a disservice, because I couldn't help but keep trying to play it like Bloodborne instead of trying to learn what the game was trying to do and it held me back.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Same, literally had just finished getting plat after weeks of dungeon farming when played this and it felt weird yet familiar, gameplay wise it seems to be a mix of Sekiro and dark souls

[@dragirby]

The dodge feels terrible which immediately clued me in on its not bloodborne. So like, yea. Its a game about perfect guarding and regaining HP, like bloodborne, after guarding.

[@leithaziz2716]

It might be better to play it more like Sekiro with the parry working like Deflections. Relying on rolling or rallying is not as efficient (at least early on when unupgraded).

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@dragirby i wouldnt say is terrible, you need to get used to the timing but the invicibility frames are pretty generous

[@LessDevoid]

The same thing happened to me when I first played Nioh. "It's basically just Dark Souls with Japanese lore and history." That was a god damned lie.

[@In-The-Zone]

1:07:16 The greatest character development ever. Being a dad has given Pat tremendous power

[@Funcijej]

Wait I've been away for a while, they have a flesh child now?

[@In-The-Zone]

@@Funcijej Its still baking

[@LessDevoid]

Everyone bitching about how shitty the dodge is really don't understand that guard/perfect guards are what the game is built around. I feel like it comes from people constantly comparing it to Bloodborne, so everyone that plays it goes "What the fuck. This doesn't play anything like Bloodborne." The same shit happened with Nioh and Nioh 2 when people kept calling it 'Dark Souls, but in Japan.'

[@JerpDoesGames]

I still think the dodge has its use and the game accommodates a dodge-focused play style with no/minimal parries or guards. The rapier in particular with its huge movement on running attacks and the standing R2 backdash afford a ridiculous amount of movement (on top of the lower weight helping enable lighter rolls). However, you can't play nearly as reckless and sloppy as in many of From's games, and you're forced to utilize a wider variety of your weapon/build's moveset than just R1 and roll.

[@LessDevoid]

@@JerpDoesGames The rapier really does shine when it comes to mobility and I swear it has faster guard timing, but that's probably just my imagination. The guard-based rally is another system I don't see being discussed enough. It works really well if you're even trying to perfect guard and gives you a chance to learn attack tells and patterns.

[@DrKillShotEsquire]

The working title for the game was: Mistrust of Urine

[@leonardchurch814]

This game is so good, I had complaints when I played the game but in the end it literally teases you with a whole new upgrade system that blew me away and made some decisions more sensible.

[@Quaternality]

Sounds great, wish I could get past the last boss phase 2

[@LessDevoid]

@@Quaternality Summon the spirit and pound the glowing orb on its ass and you'll eventually get it groggy. The lethal attack will do loads of damage and give you a chance to lay in some more free hits. You can even toss a thermite to really seal the deal. It's not flashy or technical but sometimes you just wanna go "Meh, fuck this shit" and get past it.

[@werewolf873]

@@Quaternality im surprised so many people are having trouble. the watchman is slower than any of the first four bosses in bloodborne

[@kingkino2116]

The craziest thing about this game to me is that it says "soulslike" right on the store page

[@slandracon3853]

REALLY, I expect that from a third party/indie game. This is a full force, money, polished game.

[@SeruraRenge11]

There are so many games with the tag Soulslike that Iron Pineapple has an entire series dedicated to trying them out.

[@kingkino2116]

@SeruraRenge11 and theyre almost all poverty shovelware using the tag to grasp at the hem of success's skirt. Did not expect it to see it on a ps4 storepage

[@radoodoo]

Thanks to my vision being slightly unfocused at the time, I realized that you actually CAN read the stuff the parade master is saying! At 1:03:47 if you squint a bit you can read the letters better: "Come on in, we have been waiting!" at 1:04:45 , I think it's "bad children get the switch!" although there's some letters that don't match up right like w doesn't look at all like it should. at 1:05:55 I'm having a hard time with it, though. The first part is maybe "now he shall be happy," , but the second half I can't figure out or even guess at. So some of the letters vaguely look right, but others are way off, it seems? That or I'm imagining the similarities entirely and just guessing wildly. Sorry if later in the video this comes up again, I just wanted to share what I saw.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Older footage of the game showed the distorted boss dialogue as abstract symbols. It's weird making it more readable this way.

[@dagdammit]

The discussion on this game being "Just bloodborne" or "just a souls ripoff" is painfully remniscent of the multi-year period where every single first-person shooter was just "a doom clone." SOULSLIKE IS A GENRE, NUMBSKULLS.

[@JerpDoesGames]

I think it's more like, From's specific subgenre of Souls-like is now being recognized and understood well enough to have more excellent games there, rather than stuff that's in an outer circle of games (that we more commonly recognize as a Souls-like -- Code Vein, Mortal Shell, etc.) that are somewhat reminiscent of a From game (and often good in their own right), but don't quite scratch the specific itch.

[@tehBleuRiot]

Watching this back makes me hope there's a "rescue the trapped cats/dogs" sidequest in the final release.

[@AvatarSnake]

I only had two problems with the demo: full game needs respec, and the popup texts need to stay on screen much longer. This isn't really a problem since we don't have the full game but I would like more weapon variety. It's mostly just range and swing patterns that're different, a little limited I'd say, but again we don't have the full game yet. Everything else was cool as hell and immaculate. The dodge complaint people have is fixed with P-organ unlocks so it's fine for now though I much prefer the block/parry. Plus I'm interested to see the direction the story takes. Is it Nier Automata, is it Robocop, or is it a totally different Pinocchio-themed twist? I'm excited.

[@Exel3nce]

The Dodge has no range and parry/guard feels wonky And the big ass enemy hitbox you get stuck on

[@AvatarSnake]

@@Exel3nce dodge can be improved with P-organ upgrades, parry is fine (I'm a soulsborne noob and I didn't have trouble) and the hitboxes in these games is always a problem. Just don't get surrounded.

[@Exel3nce]

@@AvatarSnake every enemy is a wall. Its far from fine. They have to tweak it. I Just wish the dodge would be good from the get go

[@manhwafanatic]

neople games have shit ui, more news at 10

[@night1952]

Yeah, the moveset is very limited but you have skills to do more stuff and the parry is so good I played it more like Sekiro. Breaking enemy weapons was really cool too.

[@manhwafanatic]

I’m really just here for the secret react stream 1:10:40

[@slandracon3853]

Making a prediction. Your "Springs Reacting" is a representation of P shaking off the code (strings) that bind him and all other puppets through his choices and actions. Maybe it will effect the ending or certain mechanics.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I did the demo again and always told the truth. Hotel Krat's security system will keep telling you to go away if you say you're a puppet, so the first lie is mandatory. Telling the quarantined lady that their baby is a puppet doll will get you an Ergo consumable, but not the "Feel" record. So in terms of gameplay, lying is the expected route to get the most stuff, but it's unclear if its always good for other characters.

[@LessDevoid]

I was under the impression it was him becoming more human or in touch with his humanity since puppets can't lie.

[@AirYosukekun]

He’s got no strings to hold him down. There are no strings on him.

[@slandracon3853]

@@LessDevoid Well those aren't mutually exclusive, the less bound by strings of code he is the more human P could become/appear to be.

[@imlaffytaffy]

I need my bacon just shy of burnt, it is done when the smoke detector tells me it is done

[@nicholasg.5441]

If you ever find yourself on fire, dont worry; it'll pass

[@Svoorhout85]

And also try to get your combat multiplier even higher.

[@technomorph6798]

Played this demo yesterday myself, it’s pretty good! I did have some issues with the combat, felt a little stiff at times but once I got used to blocking and perfect blocking it started to feel better. I think a lot of my issues may get solved with the upgrade system they introduce at the end of the demo, the upgraded dodge felt so much better, like I could actually get some distance out of it now. I like that you can recharge a healing cell by attacking enemies, makes it feel less like a hopeless run when you run out of heals like in other souls games. The weapon combinations seems interesting but I personally didn’t get much use out of it in the demo, so hopefully the full game will utilise it better. Overall excited to see how it turns out!

[@LessDevoid]

I got great mileage out of putting the great sword blade on the rapier handle. I really hope that in the full game they explain some things better. Being able to easily know what the Fable Arts actually do would be nice, so would the fact that weapon handles determine the moveset instead of the blade.

[@Just_Matty]

​@@LessDevoid What I like about the weapon assembly system in particular is that attaching the biggest, most powerful blade you have to the fastest moveset isn't necessarily the best thing to do. The larger the blade, the more stamina it eats through -- it's a really neat idea.

[@ghostray3252]

The dodge in this game isn't inferior. It is just timed differently. Playing 2 games that have dodges with i-frame placed at different part of the motion can really throw people off. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jquunaynopyWp5Y

[@LunasLostLove]

It kept getting me stuck on things and after getting knocked down it would only dodge in one direction oddly

[@Animedingo]

"You only regain heals when you have no flasks so feel free to use them" Doesnt this effectively solve blood vials? When you have 100 vials, you use them liberally. Its like they refill. So this refills them as theyre used

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Kind of. They only start recharging when you have none left. So if you have two or more, you should still need to be careful when you use them. But if you're down to one, feel free to use it whenever so you can start building up charge.

[@hunterdavenport798]

Pat’s Bacon opinions are straight facts

[@thesphd1433]

. . . . . . . You guys think Pinocchio can outlie Todd Howard in a debate?

[@joeavreg2254]

Anyone else move the cursor while Pat was watching the Vaatividya AC6 vid because they wanted to know how long it was then get confused then get annoyed with themselves for caveman thinking?

[@marialuke2116]

1:02:36 definitely not wingdings, I know that much. Oh, the mysteries... oh, more. 1:04:47

[@Sonicfalcon16]

The best title

[@zynexhiru4118]

My bacon needs to be just barely crispy on the edges, chewy and fatty for the rest.

[@raccoonofmotivation20]

I actually didn't die to any bosses in the demo but the policeman and gravity got me a few times

[@Suitswonderland]

Lie or die, I am so upset seeing this screen, what does it mean? Why would it be applicable too getting stomped by some bobby, 30 mins mark I jumped into.

[@benjaminwindle6642]

kinda sounded like bird to me, but that's just me

[@Kevinofrepublic]

hadn't heard of the game. turned on the video thinking it was a react or something. weird.

[@Rorymclean12]

not watched a pat stream in some time, why does he turn himself into a robot on gift subs/ donations?

[@AwkwardLoser]

This is on Gamepass yeah!!

[@obolisk0430]

Finally!

[@ZetaStriker0000]

I hated that the dodge gets stuck on enemy models. It really ruined the experience for me, and made boss fights very annoying.

[@frustratedsquirrel]

the basic dodge is a lil' goofy but the game really wants you to learn to perfect block rather than dodge. It's always more rewarding to do so (maybe a bit too much so) and so I mostly ended up using the dodge just for backing up or repositioning.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Boss’s are built around parrying/perfect blocking. Even doing regular guards helps extend your endurance with the Guard Regain/Rally mechanic.

[@ricardomiles2957]

can't wait to see what pat will get wrong this time

[@minionofgruumsh]

No. Salt and Sanctuary is great and feels great to control and play. >:( It's a great time and a lovely meld between a Metroidvania and a Souls-like! I will die on this hill!

[@LunasLostLove]

I really loved that game, but i couldn't handle the map, im embarrassed to say but i literally can not play games like that unless i got a map or a marker

[@minionofgruumsh]

@@LunasLostLove yeah, I definitely had a map downloaded to my computer that I would reference. The one shortcoming I would say is that it doesn't have one. I get that Souls games don't give you a map, but the Metroidvania part really needs one. At least in my perspective.

[@TheSkyfolk]

There is a day one patch for FF16 actually and squenix just lied about it to get preorders lmao

[@SeruraRenge11]

This game is WAY too polished for something that's just blatantly ripping off something else. Nioh had the excuse that it was conceived over a decade earlier and was only made a soulslike later which is why it shares a lot of DNA with Onimusha too.

[@rogerwhaft2399]

> No views 49 seconds ago oh ho

[@BreakfastsAtNoon]

Its like exactly bloodborne only instead this time youre a doll and the dolls a human

[@LittleMountain90]

Don't know what Pat thinks of it yet, but am I the only one who played the demo and felt like this was "Bloodborne, except literally every change makes the game worse?"

[@Dragon4234]

Yeah right there with you. How dare they make the game run good, what an awful change.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Here's the issue, it's not bloodborne, it's sekiro with Dark Souls. Played this after weeks farming dungeons in bloodborne and it felt weird yet familiar, now that i started Sekiro the similarity was undeniable

[@crumdogy]

Things only ever struck me as different, not worse. Different is good, too, because if BB2 ever does happen I want it to have its place, not arrive to find its seat taken by a copycat.

[@LittleMountain90]

@@ricardomiles2957 Might be why I bounced off so hard; didn't play Sekiro and have little desire to ever try it. I'm just baffled by the decision to have the Rally healing system (which normally encourages aggressive play) except it only applies to blocked hits for some reason? (which instead encourages super passive play) I'm also really not a fan of the perfect block timing as your main defensive option. And then, I played the demo long enough to get to the handle/blade mixing mechanic to swap that *god-awful* parry move off my Rapier moveset (seriously, why would you make a parry with that much startup?) only to find out the mix-and-matching is just handle = moveset, blade = damage scaling. But whatever, guess it's just not for me. I have tons of other shit to play anyways.

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@LittleMountain90 it's just a demo but for me at least the 3 blades you have access to can drastically change how you play. I started with the strenght blade and nailed the train station mobs but the guard, playing around and deflecting and dealing precise hits. In the second area that wasn't worked and i did way better with the rapier, basically played super aggressive dodging a lot and when i got to the first boss used rapier for phase 1 and strenght blade for phase 2.